View Full Version : Micron D9 GMH\GKX\JKH etc club
I haven't been able to find a thread like this doing a quick search, so here goes. This thread is exclusively for D9 owners (regardless of 3 letter suffix) to help D9 owners get the most from their sticks. On top of this I will also lay the offer on the table to modify any BIOS version I can to add better D9 compatibility, which should lead to better clocks. Note that I CANNOT help with BIOS mods if your board happens to use an AWARD BIOS. If your board uses a AMI BIOS then I can help.
To help people with information try to make sure your screenshots include CPU-Z, Memset and mention what voltage your sticks are using. If you wish to "prove" your OC stable, dual SPI 32M is mandatory.
With all that said, I'll kick things off with what I'm testing right now.
Cellshock 2x1GB D9JKX @ 2.2v 1200MHz
Fatalbert
09-16-2008, 10:16 AM
hmm, I always thoght micron's ics was GKX not a JKX ;)
and what is a JKH ?
WaterFlex
09-16-2008, 10:36 AM
My little "Red Devils" :)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6453/newvoltageon0.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newvoltageon0.jpg)
hmm, I always thoght micron's ics was GKX not a JKX ;)
and what is a JKH ?
Dh'o! typo. I don't exactly know what a JKH is, its just listed in the P5Q Premium QVL list simply as "MICRON ...D9JKH".
and what is a JKH ?
I don't exactly know what a JKH is, its just listed in the P5Q Premium QVL list simply as "MICRON ...D9JKH".
D9JKH is a 1Gbit (128Mx8) DDR2 chip binned at DDR2-1066 by Micron.
It is being used primarily on singlesided 1GB modules or doublesided 2GB modules.
Fatalbert
09-16-2008, 11:39 AM
ohh, those sh**ty ics ;)
thanks for the info
I think Fatalbert meant for OCing what JKH is like ;)
I think Fatalbert meant for OCing what JKH is like ;)
Well, that depends on whether they are used on a 1GB or 2GB DIMM. As we all know, 2GB DIMMs overclock a lot less.
But indeed, even on 1GB DIMMs they are not the best out there. :)
whe3ls
09-16-2008, 12:23 PM
i have an old stick of pc 4300 d9 hnh 128x8 it hit 900 mhz with 6 8 8 10 timmings
fatguy1992
09-16-2008, 12:24 PM
Here's the best I have done with my Corsair Dominators PC2-8500, they have D9GMH chips.
Best 5-5-5 Overclock
650MHz 5-5-5-12 - 2.5v
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/fatguy1992/My%20RAM%20Testing/RAMTEST171300MHz5-5-5-12.jpg
I had the the Tras @ 5 just after this screen shot but I didn't screen shot.
Best 4-4-4 Overclock
600MHz 4-4-4-1 - 2.5v
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/fatguy1992/My%20RAM%20Testing/RAMTEST201200MHz4-4-4-1.jpg
Best 3-3-3 Overclock
450 3-3-3-9 - 2.5v
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/fatguy1992/My%20RAM%20Testing/RAMTEST21904MHz3-3-3-9.jpg
Fatalbert
09-16-2008, 12:38 PM
I think Fatalbert meant for OCing what JKH is like ;)
in my opinion, one of the worse ics for oc :D
imo
G.Skill Pi have got the best ics if we are talking about OC and 2x2 mems :cool:
zanzabar
09-16-2008, 02:24 PM
Well, that depends on whether they are used on a 1GB or 2GB DIMM. As we all know, 2GB DIMMs overclock a lot less.
But indeed, even on 1GB DIMMs they are not the best out there. :)
if its that, then its the retimed NLH and other revE and its not vary stable or reliable, its like qib ddr3 crossed with hynx ddr2. IMO it may not reflect the new binning im just salty about my viper 800mhz cas4 that clocks vary bad on every board that ive tried it on (i was trying to offload them on some1 but i couldent do it)
what do your mods do to the bioses i know that i have the award bios im just wondering
If its any use to anyone as the subject has been kinda bought up I have 3 kits of memory kicking about I'm thinking of getting rid of. One of the kits is a Patriot 800MHz 4-4-4-12 kit. Tested in my old AW9D-Max I had the sticks did 1000MHz @ 2.2v (.1v less than Patriot state is needed) and had them booting right up to 1066MHz. I also have a Set of Geil Black Dragon 2x1GB 800MHz kit, again I had this kit doing 1000MHz @ 2.2v. Didn't really play with them much beyond that but I'm relatively sure their pretty solid sticks so likely have more to give. The last kit is a set of OCZ 2x1GB PC8500, this kit has booted 1143MHz, but I didn't really test this kit either. Yes I am a RAM nut :p:
@ Zanzabar, my modded BIOS works on compatibility. At this time that includes better CPU support, better memory compatibility, most report much better OCs and quite a few people state my mBIOS to fix problems that are in vanilla BIOS releases.
fatguy1992
09-16-2008, 05:34 PM
How do i find out if my mobo has a AWARD bios and a AMI bios?
Look at the first POST screen with any boot logo you may have disabled :p:
fatguy1992
09-16-2008, 07:11 PM
Ok will do as soon as I restart :)
If that doesn't work out somehow, CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php) can tell you the same and you don't even have to reboot.
Open up the Mainboard tab and check the BIOS section. Next to ‘Brand’ it should say what kind of BIOS you have. :)
fatguy1992
09-16-2008, 10:31 PM
OK thx, i have "American Megatrends Inc" so is that AMI?
CryptiK
09-16-2008, 10:58 PM
My TG 8500's (GMH) at 2.29v real / 2.22v bios
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1333228vrealeverestmemsetcpuz.jpg
fatguy1992
09-16-2008, 11:49 PM
My TG 8500's (GMH) at 2.29v real / 2.22v bios
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1333228vrealeverestmemsetcpuz.jpg
Are all the Team Xtreem PC2-8500's that good?
zsamz_
09-16-2008, 11:51 PM
2.45v ballistix:)
i'm sure they can do better @ lower fsb
CryptiK
09-17-2008, 01:47 AM
Are all the Team Xtreem PC2-8500's that good?
No idea TBH, there aren't many results for the 8500's around, but I have seen another guy that hit 1350+ with them. I have 2 kits and they both can do 1333 on <2.3v but they are not SPI32M stable they'd need more voltage.
2.45v ballistix:)
i'm sure they can do better @ lower fsb
Wow nice results, you broke 12K! I want your mobo :D
OK thx, i have "American Megatrends Inc" so is that AMI?
Yep American Megatrends is AMI. FYI if anyone sees Pheonix at the first POST screen your BIOS is AWARD. The most reliable way to tell is by looking at the first POST screen, you can use CPU-Z or Everest something like that, but from time to time they do actually report the BIOS wrongly.
Heres what I'm testing atm, still 2.2v. Slowly figuring out what this mobo does and doesn't like.
Ch@pS
09-17-2008, 10:03 AM
heres the best I've been able to do, its an old result though.
Team PC6400 D9GMH
650MHZ 4-4-4-3 2.55v
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6704/44431mgo5.th.jpg (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44431mgo5.jpg)
fatguy1992
09-17-2008, 12:48 PM
heres the best I've been able to do, its an old result though.
Team PC6400 D9GMH
650MHZ 4-4-4-3 2.55v
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6704/44431mgo5.th.jpg (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44431mgo5.jpg)
Nice :up:
johnysb
09-17-2008, 03:26 PM
the best i was able to do is this(i think mobo want let me go further)
Transcend PC6400 d9gmh@2.3V
Should i attach my bios file in order to be modified?
1200MHz is generally accepted as a good result for D9s. Anything more is added bonus. Some may say I can work miracles with BIOS code, but you must remember its not just the BIOS that may be a limiting factor, the mobo design itself can have a big part to play, such as weather the DIMMs are single or dual phase, the length of the traces, etc.
OC4/3
09-18-2008, 11:19 AM
Are all the Team Xtreem PC2-8500's that good?
Team Xtreem PC2-8500 is not bad.
Never really push my kit but it does:
1000mhz@2.05v-2.075v
1070mhz@2.3xxv
V shown is bios set
But my ram start to degrade:rofl:
Here is what chip:D:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/EVOFans/D9GKXXtreem1066.jpg
Good deal consider i pay ~US$100 or so:yepp:
Bei Fei
09-18-2008, 11:26 AM
OCZ 8500 SLI D9GMH
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o105/Mazar_2006/650spismall.jpg
fatguy1992
09-18-2008, 12:07 PM
Team Xtreem PC2-8500 is not bad.
Never really push my kit but it does:
1000mhz@2.05v-2.075v
1070mhz@2.3xxv
V shown is bios set
But my ram start to degrade:rofl:
Here is what chip:D:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/EVOFans/D9GKXXtreem1066.jpg
Good deal consider i pay ~US$100 or so:yepp:
What timmings?:confused:
Thx
CryptiK
09-18-2008, 06:30 PM
GKX? I have the same new style PC8500's (2 kits) and I have not pulled the heatspreaders off. Interesting to see that yours have GKX chips. Mine behave very similarly to my CellShock PC8000 GKX's so perhaps they are GKX too, but it is really impossible to tell for sure unless I removed the spreaders.
Shiranui Gen-An
09-18-2008, 06:48 PM
GKX? I have the same new style PC8500's (2 kits) and I have not pulled the heatspreaders off. Interesting to see that yours have GKX chips. Mine behave very similarly to my CellShock PC8000 GKX's so perhaps they are GKX too, but it is really impossible to tell for sure unless I removed the spreaders.
That is odd for GKX to be used on the 8500 kit. Here are some pics/results of the newer 8500 with GMH: http://happy.ap.teacup.com/occ2/128.html
Note the black PCB, perhaps that is the difference...?
CryptiK
09-18-2008, 06:55 PM
Mine clock just like that, 666 MHz at 2.29v real (DMM measured). I'm curious which ones I have lol. Mine are green PCB I'm pretty sure, well at least one kit is anyway.
OC4/3
09-18-2008, 09:03 PM
What timmings?:confused:
Thx
CL4-4-4-4
I was surprise that my kit use D9GKX also:ROTF:
This kit is bought 1 month or so back
CryptiK
09-18-2008, 09:09 PM
My Team 8500's do 1100 CL 4 on 2.26v real (see pic). Not impressive by any means, but just for the sake of comparison. Seem quite similar to yours.
@ OC4/3 - When you removed the heatspreader, was it stuck to the chips at all or do the screws hold it on firmly? Could you re-attach it solidly again after removal?
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1100cas4226vrealspi1M.jpg
OC4/3
09-19-2008, 07:21 AM
My Team 8500's do 1100 CL 4 on 2.26v real (see pic). Not impressive by any means, but just for the sake of comparison. Seem quite similar to yours.
@ OC4/3 - When you removed the heatspreader, was it stuck to the chips at all or do the screws hold it on firmly? Could you re-attach it solidly again after removal?
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1100cas4226vrealspi1M.jpg
The HS is stick on thermal tape to chip.
Just remove the 2screws and take something to pull the hs off at side and take the whole hs off.
To re-attach,just stick it and screw it back:up:
Green PCB should be D9GKX
Black PCB should be D9GMH
CryptiK
09-19-2008, 09:41 AM
Right cheers, I may pull em off and have a look. I have 2 kits of the green PCB 8500's like yours.
On a sadder note, my new PC8000 CL4 CellShock sticks just died at 2.00v, about 10 hours of use at 2.00v and theyre dead. BSOD's and a lot of errors in memtest when I just tested them. I have to do an RMA now :(
That blows :( MY Cellshocks are still fine :D :p:
CryptiK
09-19-2008, 10:00 AM
yeah I know pretty crap, i have to test more im not entirely convinced may be the board but i doubt it it was fine yesterday then tonight at the same settings it was crashing all over the place and errored when tested but i'll have to do some tweaking and see. I still have another kit of them still new in the box and my 2 TG kits so I'm not ram-less at least.
Shiranui Gen-An
09-19-2008, 10:06 AM
It's going to cost me $30 or so to send my Team 1200 kit back to MemoryC :( At least I have a Dominator 10000 kit on the way :D D9Gxx is pretty darn fragile.
I wouldn't say D9s are that fragile, my old GMH kit only died cos I didnt run a fan over them and pumped 2.55v through them :p: I'm a bit skeptical to do so, but who reckons I should remove the heatsinks off the Cellshocks? It really seems like they hinder more than they help.
CryptiK
09-19-2008, 06:38 PM
I was thinking along the same lines, I was going to put up a thread asking about whether people thought naked kits of D9 lasted longer than the kits with spreaders. They get really hot, as all the IC's are touching them and transferring heat, but also due to that fact they are keeping the IC's hot too. I'm not sure what temp each individual IC gets up to under load, but I doubt it would be as hot as the heatspreaders are.
systemviper
09-19-2008, 06:50 PM
It's going to cost me $30 or so to send my Team 1200 kit back to MemoryC :( At least I have a Dominator 10000 kit on the way :D D9Gxx is pretty darn fragile.
Did you get one of the sets from the egg :up: me too.,.,
I also just ordered from memoryc shell shock chellShock 1866's D9jnl...
CryptiK
09-19-2008, 09:03 PM
I just removed my TG PC8500 heatpreader - the IC's are GMH. I noticed that there was not very much of an imprint in the thermal tape where the IC's sit against it, some have a decent imprint, others have a very faint imprint. Most of the imprint for each IC is just the top half of it, the lower half barely seems to have been touching the tape. The 2 IC's on each end are also only half covered by the tape.
I'm thinking it may be better for them to run naked, the heatspreaders don't get very hot even when using 2.2 - 2.3v (real) so I think the thermal transfer is not very good. If this is the case, the HS must be trapping a fair bit of heat and the IC's get no direct airflow. I'm thinking the IC's *should* run cooler naked.
Has anyone ever measured the temp of D9 IC's (when naked) under load with an IR temp gun? I'd really like to know hot they get.
EDIT - as an adjunct to the observation about the TG heatspearders, my CellShock kit runs very hot, most likely due to the fact they use thermal paste so there is good contact between the IC and the heatspreader. This however means that each IC is heating the heatspeader and so it gets hotter than if each IC just had it's own individual heatspreader. (Think of having 10 cpu's under 1 HS opposed to having each cpu with its own heatsink, or the dfference between a quad core cpu temp and a dual core cpu temp).
I think in either scenario, the IC's are running hotter with the heatspreaders on. The heatspreaders with poor contact trap the heat, and the heatspreaders with good contact get very hot and hold each IC at the temp of the heatspreader itself.
If anyone has an IR temp gun and can measure the temp of the IC's directly on some D9 modules it would be very useful information and much appreciated.
ferdz_33
09-19-2008, 11:43 PM
@OC/43 & Cryptik,
do you happen to know the serial numbers on those kits?? so i can have an idea on what the chips on my rams are w/o prying the HS off.
I also have the same mems that I got as replacements for my TG Dark 2x1gb pc6400 because distro went out of stock with the darks and only TG Elite 2x2gb ddr2-800 and the ddr2-1066 were available when I RMAd it. :D
i'm currently running it stock @ 2.3vdimm in bios.
btw, mine is week 35/07
CryptiK
09-20-2008, 12:34 AM
S/N on sticker on the ram heatspreader: 200805280858 (I have a feeling all PC8500's have the same serial on the stickers though)
I can't tell you the serial number from CPU-Z as I have my CellShock sticks in at the moment and I'm half way through removing the TG heatspreaders so I can't put the in just yet.
Also - you don't need 2.3v for stock speeds/timings, you should need around 2.00v for 1100 5-5-5-12. If your board overvolts, you need to set under 2.00v in bios to get 2.00v real.
Also - my CellShock kit are not dead! It was my board being unstable due to the recent warm weather, I needed more vNB and now it's stable again and the sticks are completely fine :D
mad_skills
09-20-2008, 01:11 AM
I find it funny to see so much Cell-Shock kits dying because i know Cell uses 8-layer pcb and can withstand voltages very good and yet ppl lose them at 2.0V or so, now that's just lame, how did D9 get so moronic, they weren't like this before...
zsamz_
09-20-2008, 01:48 AM
I find it funny to see so much Cell-Shock kits dying because i know Cell uses 8-layer pcb and can withstand voltages very good and yet ppl lose them at 2.0V or so, now that's just lame, how did D9 get so moronic, they weren't like this before...
whatever the d9 just takes a little ripple to :explode2:
ive had 2 sets of d9gkx go bad in just minutes they were just deffective to start off with all it takes is 1 chip to go bad
ferdz_33
09-20-2008, 01:53 AM
thanks Cryptik, upon reading the 2.0vdimm, i rebooted my PC and set it to 2.0v (reads 1.98 in Everest), still need to test if stable during apps/games.
S/N from the box of my kit is PH220071128002
OC4/3
09-20-2008, 01:59 AM
@OC/43 & Cryptik,
do you happen to know the serial numbers on those kits?? so i can have an idea on what the chips on my rams are w/o prying the HS off.
I also have the same mems that I got as replacements for my TG Dark 2x1gb pc6400 because distro went out of stock with the darks and only TG Elite 2x2gb ddr2-800 and the ddr2-1066 were available when I RMAd it. :D
i'm currently running it stock @ 2.3vdimm in bios.
btw, mine is week 35/07
My s/n is 200805280781
CryptiK
09-20-2008, 04:07 AM
I find it funny to see so much Cell-Shock kits dying because i know Cell uses 8-layer pcb and can withstand voltages very good and yet ppl lose them at 2.0V or so, now that's just lame, how did D9 get so moronic, they weren't like this before...
My CellShock are OK, it was my board that became unstable, and I misdiagnosed it as my ram. After increasing the vNB 2 notches, its rock solid.
They are now at 1113 MHz, 5-5-4-12 @ 2.00v :D
I was thinking along the same lines, I was going to put up a thread asking about whether people thought naked kits of D9 lasted longer than the kits with spreaders. They get really hot, as all the IC's are touching them and transferring heat, but also due to that fact they are keeping the IC's hot too. I'm not sure what temp each individual IC gets up to under load, but I doubt it would be as hot as the heatspreaders are.
Yeah I think I will remove the heatspreaders. Only skeptical to do so as the kit is so new, but even if I do need to RMA the sticks after a bit, its not like thermal tape is difficult to find :p:
OC4/3
09-20-2008, 05:13 AM
Yeah I think I will remove the heatspreaders. Only skeptical to do so as the kit is so new, but even if I do need to RMA the sticks after a bit, its not like thermal tape is difficult to find :p:
Just glue the HS back:rofl:
I done this and manage to RMA my Crucial Tracer 800mhz 16FD3:yepp:
CryptiK
09-20-2008, 05:23 AM
Yeah I think I will remove the heatspreaders. Only skeptical to do so as the kit is so new, but even if I do need to RMA the sticks after a bit, its not like thermal tape is difficult to find :p:
AFAIK CellShock don't use thermal tape, its actually thermal paste put onto each IC and then the spreaders are bolted on (hence why the spreaders get so hot - they have good thermal transfer), so you could just re-paste them, and put them back on. They have a weird star shaped bolt head though (like on mobile phone bolts) and you need a special screwdriver. If worst came to worst, glue is an option lol.
mad_skills
09-20-2008, 08:56 AM
Also, Cell-Shock does a nice job with the heatspreaders and they cool properly, at least one manufacturer with which u get what you pay, no need to change ram sinks etc. :D
Hutch
09-20-2008, 07:20 PM
D9JKH is a 1Gbit (128Mx8) DDR2 chip binned at DDR2-1066 by Micron.
It is being used primarily on singlesided 1GB modules or doublesided 2GB modules.
My D9JKH... Pretty bad on my P35 board, but I'm sure they're better on the newer AMD chipsets that support DDR2-1066 @ 1.8V.
Voltage is only 2.0V. They don't scale much higher @ cas 5 with more voltage...
If the sticks were cheap, then I guess those results are "ok". But still... bleh. Nobody likes crap clockers.
CryptiK
09-21-2008, 05:59 AM
Not bad for JKH, so from those results and your sig, it seems the gain an extra 125 MHz by going to CL 6? CL 5 at DDR1000 should be faster I would have thought.
Pyroe_Inc
09-21-2008, 10:14 AM
mBIOS803. Thx Ket. :up:
Cellshock 1000@4-4-4-12 D9GKX 2.2vDIMM
4GB@1243
I need better cooling to get further... :rolleyes:
But this is my 24/7 so far. Folding stable and all.:yepp:
I had em booting 1400@2.3 but that would take some serious tweaking to get into windows
knopflerbruce
09-21-2008, 10:51 AM
I have an old G.Skill HZ kit that I tried a little this weekend. The result was 560MHz 1m @ 2.3v 4-4-4-5. 570 managed to boot, but not 1m stable (lol). Is this decent for D9's, or should I look for better sticks?:)
Retro
09-21-2008, 12:07 PM
My Team set (TXDD2048M1000HC5DC) 2X1GB PC2-8000 D9GMH does not perform well with my Asus P5Q-Deluxe.
They run fine up to 450 fsb on the 9x multi, anything beyond bsod's. Same with trying any half-multi, none work. With my previous Abit IP-35 Pro, the Teams would do anything, had them up to 500 fsb, could use the half-multis, etc. No errors with Memtest. I have tried many combinatios of settings and voltages to no avail.
Leeghoofd suggested that there may be a memory incompatibility, sure enough, I swapped in the only DDR2 ram I had on hand, a cheap 1GB stick of PC2-4300 Crucial Rendition. Now I can run it up to 8, 8.5, 9 and had it up to 471 fsb, no more bsod's. Just as it should be.
I'm looking at a few of the brands it should be ok with, G. Skill PC2-8500, OCZ Reapers, Mushkin Redlines, HP and XP etc. so I am going to try a new non-D9GMH set.
Unless I'm missing something here:rolleyes:
Ch@pS
09-21-2008, 12:11 PM
I have an old G.Skill HZ kit that I tried a little this weekend. The result was 560MHz 1m @ 2.3v 4-4-4-5. 570 managed to boot, but not 1m stable (lol). Is this decent for D9's, or should I look for better sticks?:)
Look for better sticks, thats a very decent result, but you should be able to find handpicked samples that blow that right out of the water.
It only takes 2.26v for my teams to handle 610 4-4-4-4 1M stable. So those are nice if you dont care and want to suicide 3V plus for max speeds, but for serious benching handpicked FTW.
Done some speed data editing of my Cellshocks, will be testing them out soon :up:
Finished with a little messing. Not too bad. Think I will go round my m8s tomorrow though to flash a more customised speed files to this Cellshock kit and 4 of my other kits. That way timings are more or less what I want. More specifically, my Cellshock new speed data file has timings of 5-5-5-18-42-42-4-8-4-4. Tras will manually be set to 15, but in the speed data file 18 is as low as it gets for proper tras settings at other frequencies.
CryptiK
09-22-2008, 09:39 PM
Nice what voltage for 570 5-4-4-12? And did you mean to write 42 twice in those timings?
My 24/7 for my CellShocks is 556.5 MHz 5-5-5-12, tRFC 30 @ 1.96v
Currently still tweaking, but being quite lazy about it. :D Here's my current 24/7 settings. Nothing extreme, but I'm happy with it so far. As there's no active cooling, and because I would like to keep this RAM alive, I'm reluctant to push tons of voltage through them just for some slightly tighter timings (which will make no major difference in the real world anyway).
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/904/csfr3.gif
CryptiK
09-23-2008, 05:44 AM
Nice Dee, I like these CellShock kits very much too :D Is that 1.9v BIOS set or real voltage?
It's 1.9v in BIOS, Cryptik. I can't measure it any other way, unfortunately.
CryptiK
09-23-2008, 06:01 AM
It's probably closer to 1.96 - 1.98v real, if you have a DMM perhaps verify what it is. That's what I had to do with my P5Q-Deluxe, and found it over volted by 0.06v from whatever I set in the bios. It's still a nice low voltage though.
Yes, you're probably right. I don't have a DMM. I should get one.
Ok, I went round my mates today and borrowed is board so I could flash new speed data to my Cellshocks :D Timings currently are 4-4-4-12-42-42-4-8-4-4 @ 2.2v 1040MHz. I'm going to change voltage to 2.1v as it should be more than enough. Unfortunately nomatter what I do my system does not like higher memory frequencies than around 1040MHz. This limit has been observed with three different memory kits now so it's deffinately not crap memory. The only thing I have concluded it could be is my CPU not liking frequencies much past 1000MHz, so its deffinately time for a new CPU... time to sell some stuff :p:
CryptiK
09-24-2008, 04:56 AM
I just figured out how to clock ram high on my M2F. The setting that made no difference at all on my P5Q-Deluxe, made all the difference on my M2F.
This is one of my CellShock PC 8000 CL4 GKX kits on 2.2v real
Everest 649.5 MHz:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1300GKX22v.jpg
SPI 1M 649.6 MHz:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1300GKX22vSPI1M_2.jpg
CryptiK
09-24-2008, 05:10 AM
Well, 649.5 & 649.6 to be accurate, but still a lot better than 605 which was my previous max on this board with the same ram kit. Thanks mate.
Shiranui Gen-An
09-24-2008, 05:16 AM
I just figured out how to clock ram high on my M2F. The setting that made no difference at all on my P5Q-Deluxe, made all the difference on my M2F.
What setting was that? :up:
CryptiK
09-24-2008, 05:30 AM
You're both going to laugh. I sure did. The setting is "Memory OC Charger" and it's description is "Enabled: Increase ram overclockability". It didn't make any difference at all on my P5Q-Deluxe, so I just set it to disabled on my M2F and completely forgot about it.
I also set the strap manually to 266 and PL 10.
@ Dee, either a 7200 or 8400, maybe 8500 depending on price diff.
Cryptik, nice results, but what was that one setting? :p:
ED - dho.. thats always happens I ask something and the reply comes in as im posting lol
This RAM rules. DDR1200 @ 1.9v! Runs PI just fine, too. Booted into Windows at DDR1302 using 2.00v but wasn't stable for long!
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6567/csie7.gif
zsamz_
09-24-2008, 07:08 AM
This RAM rules. DDR1200 @ 1.9v! Runs PI just fine, too. Booted into Windows at DDR1302 using 2.00v but wasn't stable for long!
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6567/csie7.gif
chek your real volts;)
i need a minimum of 1.98v real for 1200mhz
CryptiK
09-24-2008, 07:40 AM
I reduced the tRD (PL) and got some better bandwidth & lower latency:
Everest @ 651 MHz, tRD 6 @ 2.2v real
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1300GKX22vPL6.jpg
SPI1M @ 651 MHz, tRD 6 @ 2.2v real
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1302GKX22vSPI1MPL6.jpg
chek your real volts;)
i need a minimum of 1.98v real for 1200mhz
As stated earlier, I cannot check "real" volts.
And what if my board is undervolting the RAM? Without checking with a multi-meter no one knows. ;) Although I doubt it's THAT far off what's stated in BIOS anyway. Even if it's 1.96v, that's pretty good for DDR1200 speeds.
zsamz_
09-24-2008, 09:36 AM
As stated earlier, I cannot check "real" volts.
And what if my board is undervolting the RAM? Without checking with a multi-meter no one knows. ;) Although I doubt it's THAT far off what's stated in BIOS anyway. Even if it's 1.96v, that's pretty good for DDR1200 speeds.
:yepp:
you got a nice set:up:
one of the rare d9gkx enjoy
Yes, finally! :) I always have bad luck with hardware, so maybe the memory god felt it was time for something nice to happen to me!
I love CellShock. This brand has quickly become my favourite, and man I was a BIG Crucial fan for the last 4 years. I gotta hand it to MSC. They put out some amazing products. Actually, I owe you a "thank you", zsams, you were the one who suggested I take a look at CellShock. Cheers! :up:
EDIT: Just a thought -- what's the max recommended voltage without active cooling? I know opinions on this vary somewhat but I'm interested in other D9 users thoughts.
zsamz_
09-24-2008, 11:59 AM
Yes, finally! :) I always have bad luck with hardware, so maybe the memory god felt it was time for something nice to happen to me!
I love CellShock. This brand has quickly become my favourite, and man I was a BIG Crucial fan for the last 4 years. I gotta hand it to MSC. They put out some amazing products. Actually, I owe you a "thank you", zsams, you were the one who suggested I take a look at CellShock. Cheers! :up:
EDIT: Just a thought -- what's the max recommended voltage without active cooling? I know opinions on this vary somewhat but I'm interested in other D9 users thoughts.
lowest volts for max bandwidth + latency
i personally get best results @ 1200+ 2.0-2.05v cas 5
cas 4 1000+ i need 2.2v+
so i chose 1200+
no matter what voltage or speed i cool mine with 2 90mm fans
WaterFlex
09-24-2008, 11:05 PM
That`s mine lovely Shocks:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4854/48659416vu7.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48659416vu7.jpg)
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6313/fsb500pl8do1.png
CryptiK
09-25-2008, 02:53 AM
Nice work there mate :up:
Done some more tweaking, can't say this is bad for a poxy 3.3GHz :p:
WaterFlex
09-25-2008, 04:53 AM
CryptiK, Dee
Thank you!
CryptiK
09-25-2008, 05:00 AM
Nice Ket, love the 108% FSB overclock :D
Can you repeat that test at exactly the same settings except for setting 5-5-5 for the first 3 primary timings? I have found through my testing that CL 4 has very little gain in bandwidth & causes a small reduction in latency, much less than it used to with other platforms (P35, P965). I haven't seen what a P5Q-Pro does. Seems to be a strange limitation/behaviour of the P45.
@ Dee - nice work from you above too, sub 2.0v real 600 MHz is very nice indeed :up:
Thanks C.
Wow Ket! 108% FSB overclock!? That's insane! Nice work brother.
FSB has never been a problem for my E4400 ;) I hate how my CPU gets insanely unstable past the settings I'm using atm tho :( It has to be my CPU, three RAM kits cant all crap out at exactly the same area. I'll test 5-5-5-12 settings in a bit.
ED - heres the 5-5-5 results, practically no difference at all.
CryptiK
09-25-2008, 06:45 AM
There is no way your kits wont do 1200+, Dee's kit does 1200 sub 2.0v, mine do 1300 on 2.2v, it probably has to be your board.
Nah can't be my board either, 1066FSB CPUs would be screwed otherwise. I don't care how crappy a manufacturers quality control is theres no way (or very very unlikely anyway) a board would make it out the door that cant even handle a stock 1066FSB CPU running 1:1 with some PC8500 memory :p:
CryptiK
09-25-2008, 07:27 AM
Nah can't be my board either, 1066FSB CPUs would be screwed otherwise. I don't care how crappy a manufacturers quality control is theres no way (or very very unlikely anyway) a board would make it out the door that cant even handle a stock 1066FSB CPU running 1:1 with some PC8500 memory :p:
Yeah I suppose so, hope your new cpu allows you to have some ram oriented fun. Thanks for doing the CL 4 vs CL 5 test, as I suspected, there is very little difference. It must be a P45 quirk as I have not seen any of them do much better on CL 4 vs CL 5 which is a little irritating.
Just did this with my TG GMH @ 2.24v :D This board isn't too bad now I've figured it out.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1317PL7.jpg
Not bad :up: I just done a little more investigating and my CPU is deffinately the issue. Whacked everything back to stock and just set FSB to 320 to give a mem frequency of 1280MHz.. or was it 1320? well something like that :p:, went right through POST then crapped out. With any other OC settings the system won't even POST with 1200MHz mem frequency nevermind 1300+. Bad, bad E4400 :shakes: :slapass:
Monstru
09-25-2008, 07:42 AM
I like Micron D9GMH, when they are binned properly (like in Crucial Ram kits) the results can be astonishing. I played a little with my 2 kits with GMH, you can see the results in my sig :)
CryptiK
09-25-2008, 07:50 AM
That's some incredible speed, what board were you using?
I've had very similar results with my GMH & GKX kits, in fact my CellShock GKX kit is a little better than my TG GMH kit, but I haven't pushed them anywhere near as hard as you.
EDIT - just saw valid - you did that on a P965 commando? Wow, my old P5B would never go over ~680 with my Corsair D9's What vNB did that require?
Yeah I suppose so, hope your new cpu allows you to have some ram oriented fun. Thanks for doing the CL 4 vs CL 5 test, as I suspected, there is very little difference. It must be a P45 quirk as I have not seen any of them do much better on CL 4 vs CL 5 which is a little irritating.
Just did this with my TG GMH @ 2.24v :D This board isn't too bad now I've figured it out.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1317PL7.jpg
Awesome man! Seeing these kind of results tempts me to pump some more voltage through my kit. I know it can do 1300 (1302 is the highest I've taken it on 2.1v which wasn't stable) but because I don't have active cooling I'm kinda scared of killing it. There's no way I can afford another kit right now if anything bad happens! As a guess, I think it'd take at least 2.2v to get it stable, but with this kind of voltage, active cooling is a must, right? I'm not sure it's worth the extra noise from a fan. On the other hand, knowing there is significantly more performance which isn't being used, it's getting hard to resist.
I could lower the CPU overclock a little and get the RAM to 12xx easily. DDR1200 will finish Pi 32M on only 1.9v set in BIOS. It's probably not worth losing the clock frequency for a little extra MHz on the RAM, though.
What to do...
I like Micron D9GMH, when they are binned properly (like in Crucial Ram kits) the results can be astonishing. I played a little with my 2 kits with GMH, you can see the results in my sig :)
Damn! :shocked:
WaterFlex
09-25-2008, 07:57 AM
Guys. I have a problem. I can pass Memtest86+ the whole night with no errors. I can pass IntelBurnTest using all available memory the whole night. I can pass Prime95 and OCCT with no errors. BUT! I have errors when using Memtest in Windows !
Help me, guys!
CryptiK
09-25-2008, 08:00 AM
@ Dee - You do need some active cooling, even when running 1.9 - 2.0v I use it. You don't want to risk hurting your ram. I have 2 x 80mm fans running at 70% duty cycle and they are no louder than the 120mm fans I have for cpu (each running ~1300rpm) & case and the 140mm blowhole fan on low (~1000rpm).
I have to re-do the fans for the ram though they are too far away and are supported by cable ties as I've been swapping ram in & out a lot recently.
Guys. I have a problem. I can pass Memset86+ the whole night with no errors. I can pass IntelBurnTest using all available memory the whole night. I can pass Prime95 and OCCT with no errors. BUT! I have errors when using Memtest in Windows !
Help me, guys!
That's strange behaviour. I wouldn't worry about Windows MemTest too much if you're stable in everything else.
You do need some active cooling, even when running 1.9 - 2.0v I use it. I have 2 x 80mm fans running at 70% duty cycle and they are no louder than the 120mm fans I have for cpu (each running ~1300rpm) & case and the 140mm blowhole fan on low (~1000rpm).
I have to re-do the fans for the ram though they are too far away and are supported by cable ties as I've been swapping ram in & out a lot recently.
OK, I'ma rig a fan up in a sec. My sticks are running nice and cool, though.
EDIT: Just remembered I have a ton of old 80mm's and a few low noise adapters. It'll probably not be very loud after all.
CryptiK
09-25-2008, 08:04 AM
Guys. I have a problem. I can pass Memtest86+ the whole night with no errors. I can pass IntelBurnTest using all available memory the whole night. I can pass Prime95 and OCCT with no errors. BUT! I have errors when using Memtest in Windows !
Help me, guys!
Weird. The other apps stress ram a lot more than Memtest in windows. Have you tried upping the vdimm one or two notches, or bumping up the vNB or vcore to see if it makes any difference?
OK, I'ma rig a fan up in a sec. My sticks are running nice and cool, though.
EDIT: Just remembered I have a ton of old 80mm's and a few low noise adapters. It'll probably not be very loud after all.
That sounds like a plan, two 80mm fans at 5v should be fine and keep them cool. Unless of course you go into the 2.3 - 2.5v area for benching, then I'd recommend running the fans at full speed.
I can officially say any D9 ICs you DON'T need active cooling for up to 2.1v as the ICs won't get that warm even under heavy load, you could even skate along with 2.2v and be ok. I would advise that active cooling is used though with voltages beyond 2.1v.
Monstru
09-25-2008, 09:15 AM
That's some incredible speed, what board were you using?
I've had very similar results with my GMH & GKX kits, in fact my CellShock GKX kit is a little better than my TG GMH kit, but I haven't pushed them anywhere near as hard as you.
EDIT - just saw valid - you did that on a P965 commando? Wow, my old P5B would never go over ~680 with my Corsair D9's What vNB did that require?
The CAS4 was done with Asus Commando, not bad for a chipset 2,5 years old, no? The voltage was pretty high, in the 1.7-1.8 area.
The CAS5 was done on Biostar TPower I45, because the Commando would not go above 690MHz, not even in CAS 5.
zsamz_
09-25-2008, 10:25 AM
I can officially say any D9 ICs you DON'T need active cooling for up to 2.1v as the ICs won't get that warm even under heavy load, you could even skate along with 2.2v and be ok. I would advise that active cooling is used though with voltages beyond 2.1v.
every set is different
most of mine get average temp of 26c with 2 90mm fans
i got a set of d9gkx that is 29c with 2 fans 2.1v
not everyone has a lasergun to measure temps they better off with a fan no matter what the volts
Theres no point in adding something that isn't needed or simply won't increase any threshold. Fans for memory are only beneficial once ICs start to feel quite warm.
Monstru
09-25-2008, 03:37 PM
I played a little bit more with my beloved GMH, you can see the thread here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202751) :)
I played a little bit more with my beloved GMH, you can see the thread here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202751) :)
Arrgh! Sick!
:up: God bless Crucial.
CryptiK
09-26-2008, 03:18 AM
500 FSB, 625 MHz
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F-500FSB-625MHz-22vdimm139vNBPL8.jpg
530 FSB, 635.7 MHz
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F-530FSB-6357MHz-22vdimm139vNBPL8.jpg
You lie! Its not 530 FSB its 529.8! :p:
WaterFlex
09-26-2008, 05:00 AM
Guys... I can`t solve a problem which i described upper... I am being depressed...
Can you pass Memtest in Windows?
:(
CryptiK
09-26-2008, 05:05 AM
You lie! Its not 530 FSB its 529.8! :p:
oops lol :p: missed that :D
Guys... I can`t solve a problem which i described upper... I am being depressed...
Can you pass Memtest in Windows?
:(
Don't get depressed, did you try with more voltage on ram, vNB and cpu like I suggested? If so what was the result?
I have not tried to run it TBH I use Memtest in bootable CD form, Orthos, Linpack, and gaming to test system stability, so i cannot say whether or not I pass.
WaterFlex
09-26-2008, 05:16 AM
Yes, I tried like you suggested...unfortunately, no improvements...still 2-4 errors after 100 coverage.
Monstru
09-26-2008, 05:27 AM
If everything works ok, why worry about 4-5 errors only in WIN Memtest? :)
Slovnaft
09-26-2008, 06:44 AM
@Ket
I noticed the geil sticks in your sig. I just ordered a kit of the 2x1 pc8500 CL5 sticks for the family rig, any comment as to the ICs they might have or performance i might see?
should i tack on a spare hs?
CryptiK
09-26-2008, 06:59 AM
Yes, I tried like you suggested...unfortunately, no improvements...still 2-4 errors after 100 coverage.
Same amount or less errors after increasing the voltage? I honestly wouldn't worry about it, I have used that app before and didn't like it. I think you are stable if you pass Orthos 12 hrs+, Linpack, and all gaming/3d marks etc.
If you are determined to try and pass it, try raising the PL to 10 and retest, try dropping your cpu clock, or try dropping the ram clock (each done separately of course). Whichever one makes you stable, you know where to start looking.
WaterFlex
09-26-2008, 07:27 AM
Same amount or less errors after increasing the voltage? I honestly wouldn't worry about it, I have used that app before and didn't like it. I think you are stable if you pass Orthos 12 hrs+, Linpack, and all gaming/3d marks etc.
If you are determined to try and pass it, try raising the PL to 10 and retest, try dropping your cpu clock, or try dropping the ram clock (each done separately of course). Whichever one makes you stable, you know where to start looking.
Same amount, yeah.
I have PL=8 at the current moment. When I set it to 9 i can pass Win Memtest with no errors. I can`t understand what the hell is going on.
CryptiK
09-26-2008, 07:35 AM
I thought so, it's the MCH causing the errors. Set PL back to 8, and bump up just the vNB 2 notches. What happens?
Oj101
09-26-2008, 07:39 AM
It seems like your memory controller is on the verge of stability. Give it slightly more vNB :up:
@Ket
I noticed the geil sticks in your sig. I just ordered a kit of the 2x1 pc8500 CL5 sticks for the family rig, any comment as to the ICs they might have or performance i might see?
should i tack on a spare hs?
The sticks run perfectly cool. You will probably hit ~1150 as top speed @ 5-5-5, 2.2v or so. As for the ICs.. no idea, some in-house geil stuff is all I know.
WaterFlex
09-26-2008, 08:40 AM
It seems like your memory controller is on the verge of stability. Give it slightly more vNB :up:
If so, it meen that Win MemTest is more hard for RAM than IntelBurnTest, OCCT, Prime95 and DOS MemTest86+.
Will try it when come home. I am at work at this moment.
Keep in touch my friends ;)
Oj101
09-26-2008, 11:00 AM
If so, it meen that Win MemTest is more hard for RAM than IntelBurnTest, OCCT, Prime95 and DOS MemTest86+.
Will try it when come home. I am at work at this moment.
Keep in touch my friends ;)
I don't know if the first three can be considered memory stability tests. I do not, however, have much faith in MemTest86+, as I've had systems which pass it but won't boot into Windows :up:
Me too. when you run MemTest from a CD or bootable ISO it doesn't take the Windows load into account. My usual method for testing if RAM is "stable enough" is Super Pi 32M test, OCCT "Mix", and Windows MemTest. If it ain't stable, crank the voltage up or loosen some timings. If it passes these tests but crashes in gaming, you're probably clocked just a little too high. Don't be greedy!
Oj101
09-26-2008, 11:26 AM
For me, the best stability tool is 24/7 usage :up:
Slovnaft
09-26-2008, 12:49 PM
The sticks run perfectly cool. You will probably hit ~1150 as top speed @ 5-5-5, 2.2v or so. As for the ICs.. no idea, some in-house geil stuff is all I know.
thanks! that sounds like just what i need.
although i'll probably try to hit some cl4 numbers.
CryptiK
09-27-2008, 01:18 AM
Everest @ 550 FSB, 660 MHz CL 5. Not bad bandwidth and latency for a P45 :D
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/550FSB660MHz_1.jpg
665.8 MHz screen (TeamXtreem 8500's at 2.3v real)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/6658MHz_23vscreen.jpg
WaterFlex
09-27-2008, 02:17 AM
CryptiK
Wow! Nice job!
Sorry for the offtopic, can u give me your bios config for 550 fsb stable? ;)
Monstru
09-27-2008, 02:49 AM
Good work :)
CryptiK
09-27-2008, 03:25 AM
CryptiK
Wow! Nice job!
Sorry for the offtopic, can u give me your bios config for 550 fsb stable? ;)
Thanks :)
I can't remember the vNB & vFSB to more than 2 d.p but that should guide you.
MP = 7
FSB = 550
Ram Speed = 1320
CPU Voltage : 1.3425v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50v
FSB Termination Voltage : ~1.25v
DRAM Voltage : 2.3v
North Bridge Voltage : ~1.39v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5v
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1v
These are not optimized at all and may be overkill, especially the vNB, I just guessed and benched.
Good work :)
Thanks :)
WaterFlex
09-27-2008, 03:33 AM
CryptiK
Thank you very much! Will try it soon! But, first of all:
I`ve just decided my problem about passing Win MemTest!!!
As I`ve already said before, I can pass IntelBurnTest, Prime95, OCCT and DOS MemTest86+ with no errors @2,06VDimm (real).
But! I need 2,10(real) to pass Win MemTest with no errors!
Why??? How? Win MemTest is the most killing Ram test?
CryptiK
09-27-2008, 03:50 AM
CryptiK
Thank you very much! Will try it soon! But, first of all:
I`ve just decided my problem about passing Win MemTest!!!
As I`ve already said before, I can pass IntelBurnTest, Prime95, OCCT and DOS MemTest86+ with no errors @2,06VDimm (real).
But! I need 2,12(real) to pass Win MemTest with no errors!
Why??? How? Win MemTest is the most killing Ram test?
Yes, seems to be true, I wouldn't have thought it. I am running 2 instances of it now with 890MB set in each one (I have found this to be the best way to run it if you have 2GB of ram, as it produces a higher NB temp meaning it's causing more stress).
NB temp is 50*C, and I had to bump up vdimm from 1.97 to 1.99v and I'm now able to run it for hours with no errors. It seems like a nice little program, I seriously underestimated it.
Good to hear you got it stable.
WaterFlex
09-27-2008, 03:54 AM
thanks, my friend!
By the way, I have 50*C NB temp under load too ;)
Dho.. :slap: I think I might start getting somewhere with OCing my memory now. Being so used to the 975X and various voltages being "tied", I completely forgot about needing to raise NB voltage. I'm going to hit the NB up with 1.7v and monitor how styable things are. My case has great airflow so I shouldn't need to slap a fan on the NB.
CryptiK
09-27-2008, 05:14 AM
Dho.. :slap: I think I might start getting somewhere with OCing my memory now. Being so used to the 975X and various voltages being "tied", I completely forgot about needing to raise NB voltage. I'm going to hit the NB up with 1.7v and monitor how styable things are. My case has great airflow so I shouldn't need to slap a fan on the NB.
:rofl::ROTF:
That's hilarious, oversight of the century :p: Get to it then, I wanna see some benches :D
Oh, 1.7v is a bit xtreme, 1.5 should suffice. I haven't used more than 1.45v on my board yet.
Working on 1143MHz now :p: I don't think my CPU will be handling 1200+ stable. Kinda impressed with 1143 tbh out of a cheapy E4400, I've heard many stories of E4400s crapping out with memory much beyond 900MHz. I think the CPU gods blessed me when buying this E4400.
Just been sprinkling some ket magical pixie dust on an old BIOS rev for the P5Q Pro that doesnt have that weird FSB enhancement option, and low and behold, it seems I can now do 1200MHz+ stable! Can't post any screenshots right now as I'm letting that system run OCCT v2a, over 20mins in stable so far. At least part of the key for 1200+ has been to set trfc to 42 and a performance level of 8. Will post screens when OCCT is finished.
CryptiK
09-29-2008, 07:57 AM
Nice one! I haven't seen that FSB Enhancement option before, seems like all it enhances is user frustration :p: Awaiting screens :D
WaterFlex
09-29-2008, 07:59 AM
Hmmm guys. I have problems with passing Win Memtest again. Again 3-4 errors after 100% coverage.
It seems, Asus MIIF is a bad mobo, it can`t keep 1200mhz stable.
Slovnaft
09-29-2008, 07:59 AM
Just been sprinkling some ket magical pixie dust on an old BIOS rev for the P5Q Pro that doesnt have that weird FSB enhancement option, and low and behold, it seems I can now do 1200MHz+ stable! Can't post any screenshots right now as I'm letting that system run OCCT v2a, over 20mins in stable so far. At least part of the key for 1200+ has been to set trfc to 42 and a performance level of 8. Will post screens when OCCT is finished.
Yo i just got my geil sticks on Biostar I45, and they're unable to do stock speeds at 2.4vdimm and 1.5vnb. I'm hoping this is a BIOS support issue, as i've heard this board has some RAM support holes. Anyway you could sprinkle some of that magic pixie dust on the 710 BIOS from this board:rolleyes:? it's really starting to limit my qx :(
WaterFlex
09-29-2008, 08:01 AM
Ket
It would be nice to know if you can pass Win Memtest.
CryptiK
09-29-2008, 08:02 AM
Hmmm guys. I have problems with passing Win Memtest again. Again 3-4 errors after 100% coverage.
It seems, Asus MIIF is a bad mobo, it can`t keep 1200mhz stable.
What vdimm and vNB are you using when it gives you errors?
WaterFlex
09-29-2008, 08:03 AM
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3093/50894569sj2.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50894569sj2.jpg)http://img224.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Nice one! I haven't seen that FSB Enhancement option before, seems like all it enhances is user frustration :p: Awaiting screens :D
:rotf::rotf::rotf: Very true. That FSB enhacement option is supposed to provide better FSB clocking for lower end C2Ds. All it done for me was drastically cripple my memory and lower my max FSB.. I tried to work with it though to no avail. In a nutshell asus should either tell intel to go swivel on it and take that damn option out, or intel should release some kind of notes on how to make that option work for the benefit of the user. I literally tried everything without any good results.
WaterFlex
09-29-2008, 08:26 AM
Bump up the VDIMM.
Useless:( I used to bumped it up to 2,2. The same situation.
I think my motherboard :down:
Useless:( I used to bumped it up to 2,2. The same situation.
I think my motherboard :down:
Then maybe it's related to sub-timings?
CryptiK
09-29-2008, 08:37 AM
:rotf::rotf::rotf: Very true. That FSB enhacement option is supposed to provide better FSB clocking for lower end C2Ds. All it done for me was drastically cripple my memory and lower my max FSB.. I tried to work with it though to no avail. In a nutshell asus should either tell intel to go swivel on it and take that damn option out, or intel should release some kind of notes on how to make that option work for the benefit of the user. I literally tried everything without any good results.
that option I think is called something else in the P5Q-Deluxe BIOS versions >803. It's causing havoc with Q9450's and guys with them have to run 803 to be stable even at stock clocks. It's a ridiculous option and should be removed.
Useless:( I used to bumped it up to 2,2. The same situation.
I think my motherboard :down:
Try higher vNB mate see what happens. I need 1.27 vNB for 445 FSB PL 8 stable, you may need 1.32 - 1.34v for 500 FSB PL 8.
WaterFlex
09-29-2008, 08:55 AM
CryptiKTry higher vNB mate see what happens. I need 1.27 vNB for 445 FSB PL 8 stable, you may need 1.32 - 1.34v for 500 FSB PL 8.
Nope. I`m stable at 500FSB PL8 with 1,30 vNB. I pass Linpack, Prime95, OCCT.
I did 1,40 vNB and 2,1 vDimm and had the same result, several errors with Win MemTest.
When I go to 1000MHz 4-4-4-4 at 2,06V it`s all ok, I pass Win MemTest.
Dee
Then maybe it's related to sub-timings?
May be. But I don`t know what timings to set :shrug:
WaterFlex
09-29-2008, 09:05 AM
Lol! I`ve done 2,2 right now and passed 300 coverage with MemTest3.7 with no errors!
How can that be, guys? Stable with DOS MemTest86+, Linpack, OCCT, Prime95 with 2.06vDimm but need 2,2 to be stable with WinMemTest.
Unbelievable...
Will try now 2.15 vDimm on stableness
Done with 2.1v vDIMM, BIOS 0703 which I've modified. Going to see how much further these sticks will go :cool:
Max these sticks will boot is 1280 @ 2.1 5-5-5-15, haven't tested if their stable at that but pretty promising with just 2.1v.
Heres a screen with stuff boosted up a bit.
WaterFlex
09-29-2008, 12:40 PM
Nice clock guys!
Yep, nice clockage!
Had mine running 1230 or so earlier on (also 2.1v). Didn't stress test or anything but they seemed to work well. I was just testing out lower multi's and higher FSB with the P5Q-E. I get quite a nice boost in mem bandwidth using the lower multi's, only thing is I didn't realize until now that I could still run Speedstep on a multi other than the default 10x. :) That's why I always ran 10x.
I love my P5Q Pro in the gayest way now :p: Just gotta tweak things a bit for max performance.
johnysb
09-29-2008, 04:14 PM
24/7 setup 1.4Vnb, 2.1V ram Transcend PC6400 gmh
Not bad.. Feed that CPU some more juice though and crack 4GHz :up:
Shiranui Gen-An
09-29-2008, 04:33 PM
Nothing too major, just some tests with my Ballistix 8500 on my DFI LT P35 T2R. VDIMM was set to 2.47 in BIOS.
I love my P5Q Pro in the gayest way now :p:
LOL.
I feel the same way about CellShock. I'm such a fanboy now, it's disgusting...
johnysb
09-29-2008, 05:57 PM
Not bad.. Feed that CPU some more juice though and crack 4GHz :up:
the problem is that i give 1.3625V in bios for the cpu and i am getting 1.24 under load for ~3.8Ghz.
So for 4Ghz i'll have to give ~1.4V for the cpu and i dont want that for 24/7 settings.
Damn you P5KC.:mad:
I have 1.4v for 24/7 on an E8600. Might knock it down a little at some point but no further than 4.25GHz @ 1.376 (heavy load).
Anyways. Just messing with different OC's and posting this for the sake of breaking 10k in Everest Read, Write & Copy. Not bad for 1.92 vDIMM (in BIOS, so possibly slightly under real vDIMM). DDR1200+ tests to follow at some point.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9256/482yq0.gif
1.4v is perfectly fine still ;) when I do eventually get a wolfie I'll be running 1.42v 24\7, but I'll have to set around 1.45v in BIOS so its 1.42v under load. Wolfies aren't AS fragile as most people would think. In fact, with decent cooling theres no reason to think an OCd CPU wouldnt have the same lifespan if not longer than a CPU run stock with its stock HSF.
LOL.
I feel the same way about CellShock. I'm such a fanboy now, it's disgusting...
Nothing wrong with being a fanboy of a product thats genuinely good :toast: What makes me sick is the blind fanboys, particularly nvidia fanboys. Even when all the evidence is there to show theres an issue and its nothing to do with the user these blind fanboys come out in their masses and try slamming people. :shun: Anyway I think I'll be getting a XTC memory cooler in a couple days, thought I would finger my Cellshocks at the end of the 1hr OCCT stress test, and no :banana::banana::banana::banana: those heatspreaders were as hot as the NB! So they must of easily been around 50c :eek: Incredible to think they could be that hot, I'm only using 2.2v. (upped it a tad so I could run PL8 :D ) I'm certain with those heatspreaders off the sticks would run much cooler. If only I could get the farking things off..
Heres a screenshot of my current settings, I think we can agree for just 3.2GHz thats some pretty insane memory bandwidth, almost sickening :p: I know my CPU core temps look kinda hot, its why I want to get that bloody IHS off too.. I tried everything it just won't budge. The next step would be some kind of solvent... but I'm not sure if there is something out there that would just corrode the rubber seal stuff and not the die\sillicon.
CryptiK
09-29-2008, 06:21 PM
1.4v is perfectly fine still ;) when I do eventually get a wolfie I'll be running 1.42v 24\7, but I'll have to set around 1.45v in BIOS so its 1.42v under load. Wolfies aren't AS fragile as most people would think. In fact, with decent cooling theres no reason to think an OCd CPU wouldnt have the same lifespan if not longer than a CPU run stock with its stock HSF.
Nothing wrong with being a fanboy of a product thats genuinely good :toast: What makes me sick is the blind fanboys, particularly nvidia fanboys. Even when all the evidence is there to show theres an issue and its nothing to do with the user these blind fanboys come out in their masses and try slamming people. :shun: Anyway I think I'll be getting a XTC memory cooler in a couple days, thought I would finger my Cellshocks at the end of the 1hr OCCT stress test, and no :banana::banana::banana::banana: those heatspreaders were as hot as the NB! So they must of easily been around 50c :eek: Incredible to think they could be that hot, I'm only using 2.2v. (upped it a tad so I could run PL8 :D ) I'm certain with those heatspreaders off the sticks would run much cooler. If only I could get the farking things off..
Heres a screenshot of my current settings, I think we can agree for just 3.2GHz thats some pretty insane memory bandwidth, almost sickening :p: I know my CPU core temps look kinda hot, its why I want to get that bloody IHS off too.. I tried everything it just won't budge. The next step would be some kind of solvent... but I'm not sure if there is something out there that would just corrode the rubber seal stuff and not the die\sillicon.
I told you they get hot ya n00b :p: I said people would need active cooling with them for sure, as CellShock heatspreaders actually work I think :D
@ Dee - nice mate, see if you can crack 11K across the board :D
:banana::banana::banana::banana: yes, the temps are a bit crazy. Those are really idle temps?!!
I told you they get hot ya n00b :p: I said people would need active cooling with them for sure, as CellShock heatspreaders actually work I think :D
@ Dee - nice mate, see if you can crack 11K across the board :D
I think it's possible with either 542 x 8 or maybe 578 x 7.5. Both land my CPU at 4.33GHz, so should be do-able. I can't find my fans to add some active cooling, so 1200+ is out of the question for now because the RAM takes more juice than I want to feed it. D9 scares me! :p:
I told you they get hot ya n00b :p: I said people would need active cooling with them for sure, as CellShock heatspreaders actually work I think :D
@ Dee - nice mate, see if you can crack 11K across the board :D
I never said The Cellshocks didn't get hot :p: I just said any D9 IC can handle up to 2.2v without active cooling, but active cooling is advised beyond 2.1v :cool:
:banana::banana::banana::banana: yes, the temps are a bit crazy. Those are really idle temps?!!
Yeah, load the cores get to 84c :down: Anyone know of any solvents I can pick up that will corrode the rubber sealent stuff and leave the CPU itself undamaged?
84C? Wow, you're thrashing that thing good and proper.
Well done. :D
Its why I wanna get the damn IHS off :p: don't gemme wrong I don't care about how much heat the CPU is dealing with, I just want to significantly reduce temps so I can make the chip go faster... thus thrashing it more :D
Yeah well... there's overclocking, and then there's rape!
ROFLCOPTER
I prefer to look at it as unleasing the "true power" of the chip :p:
zsamz_
09-29-2008, 06:57 PM
I prefer to look at it as unleasing the "true power" of the chip :p:
you need a new chip man
time to get more power so u can see what d9gkx can do
Agreed. But I'm sure Ket would buy a new chip as soon as possible if lack of immediate funds wasn't a major factor.
Indeed I would order a new chip right now if I didnt have to buy\pay for so much stuff atm. Over the space of about 5hrs alone on the weekend I spent about Ģ50 while I was out with mates :yawn:
I also want to unhood the E4400 simply just so I can find its very top foot-to-the-floor speed. Nows a good time for somebody to grab all 3 RAM kits I don't need :D
CryptiK
09-29-2008, 08:06 PM
I never said The Cellshocks didn't get hot :p: I just said any D9 IC can handle up to 2.2v without active cooling, but active cooling is advised beyond 2.1v :cool:
Yeah, load the cores get to 84c :down: Anyone know of any solvents I can pick up that will corrode the rubber sealent stuff and leave the CPU itself undamaged?
I was just kidding around :p: :cool: Active cooling is recommended, they get so hot when running Windows memtest or even the bootable cd memtest, hotter than just Orthos/OCCT etc. Same with the NB, that Windows memtest app makes my NB hit 50*C.
I would try to avoid industrial solvent, acetone may be too harsh, and isopropyl alcohol (that I use to clean pretty much everything) may not be strong enough.
Cut it through with a razor blade, then gently heat the IHS with a lighter (not too hot) and remove it. Should come off I think the 4400's are just paste aren't they not the indium solder?
Yep supposed to be just TIM with the 4 series, so far I've tried a scalpel, stanley blade and a razor blade, none of them can get under the IHS, the black sealent really is on very thin.
WaterFlex
09-30-2008, 04:56 AM
My additional 2x1GB CellShocks "Red Devil" will be in my hands this week. It`s interesting, how much vDimm i need to be stable with 4x1GB :shrug:
Oj101
09-30-2008, 04:57 AM
A razor does actually work. Cover the blade about 2mm from the tip with tape so it doesn't slip in and use a fair amount of pressure. Start at the corners :up:
CryptiK
09-30-2008, 05:05 AM
My additional 2x1GB CellShocks "Red Devil" will be in my hands this week. It`s interesting, how much vDimm i need to be stable with 4x1GB :shrug:
You won't need more vdimm to make 4 x 1GB stable, you'll need more vNB ;) The sticks just need what they need normally for stability, it's the load on the MCH that increases thereby needing more vNB.
WaterFlex
09-30-2008, 05:15 AM
You won't need more vdimm to make 4 x 1GB stable, you'll need more vNB ;) The sticks just need what they need normally for stability, it's the load on the MCH that increases thereby needing more vNB.
Thank you for your reply ;) I`m glad to hear my Shock will not ask for more volts.
noxon
09-30-2008, 06:16 AM
Fast test with 4x1GB (2xCrucial pc5300 and 2xCellshock pc6400) 2.20volt 1225mhz
http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm382/aagesen/P5Q-Deluxe/screen027-lille.jpg
Both kit should be with D9GMH and do around 1300mhz cl5 2.3volt, think 1333 is max i have seen.
Crucial pc5300 1284 5-5-4-8 2.3volt
http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm382/aagesen/Tweak%20-%20MSI/93754815mhz-videotil.jpg
Turn that vcore down unless you want to kill that wolfie within a few months. 45nm chips can NOT handle voltages above 1.45v and live a long life. At 1.7v your wolfie will die within a year.
Yeah, that's pretty silly.
That Crucial PC5300 is great, btw. I'm sure you know this already!
A razor does actually work. Cover the blade about 2mm from the tip with tape so it doesn't slip in and use a fair amount of pressure. Start at the corners :up:
Tried it. I attempted to use a disected Gillette Mach 3 blade, it just won't get under the IHS.
WaterFlex
09-30-2008, 06:25 AM
noxon
Like your Crucials! You reached high clock btw. Can you pass Windows MemTest with that voltages?
Oj101
09-30-2008, 06:33 AM
A year? A year from now the E8400 will be a fond memory :D
It's very strange that the blade won't go in. I had to use quite a lot of pressure (as in far more than felt comfortable) to get the blade in but once it was in it was easy going :shrug:
In a year a E8400 clocked @ 4GHz+ will still be a powerful monster of a chip :p: I have no interestin in Nehalem until it matures a bit, so once its out I may jump on about 8-12 months down the line. I might try one more time to remove the IHS, but its so damn difficult its nuts. When I tried using the disected razor I was using quite a bit of force but the blade just kept bumping the side of the IHS, and when I tried just a very slight angle approach to try squeezing it by it just ended up shaving sillicon.
CryptiK
09-30-2008, 07:41 AM
Fast test with 4x1GB (2xCrucial pc5300 and 2xCellshock pc6400) 2.20volt 1225mhz
Both kit should be with D9GMH and do around 1300mhz cl5 2.3volt, think 1333 is max i have seen.
Crucial pc5300 1284 5-5-4-8 2.3volt
Nice clocks and congrats on breaking 10sec SPI1M. That sure is an aggressive vcore.
Tried it. I attempted to use a disected Gillette Mach 3 blade, it just won't get under the IHS.
Maybe you need to use a Gillette fusion power blade :p: Sounds like you've had a serious crack at it, perhaps it's just not going to happen. Does the IHS just have such a tiny thickness of silicon between it and the substrate that a blade cannot fit between them?
Yep thats pretty much it. Which is why I'm trying to find a solvent that will corrode it but leave the chip itself undamaged. I know that TIM needs replacing.
CryptiK
09-30-2008, 07:52 AM
Give some pure acetone a go, but first test it on the substrate to make sure it doesnt eat it away. If it seems ok, use a cotton wool ball or cotton tip (ie: cue - tip, not sure what you guys call them) and soak an edge of it and see if it softens.
Acetone? What is that? White Spirit?
CryptiK
09-30-2008, 08:05 AM
No not white spirit, we call that Metholated spirits here, Acetone is what is used in nail polish remover and gives it that characteristic strong smell.
Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone
I use it to clean off Asus thermal paste, that really sticky stuff, and other things. It's pretty strong stuff so be careful. It can dissolve some things but Ive cleaned NB chips, CPU IHS's, heatsink bases etc with it. I also have cleaned circuit boards with it so it depends on what the substance is, some things it can dissolve others its ok with.
EDIT: NVM. CryptiK beat me to it.
Oj101
09-30-2008, 08:13 AM
Perhaps you should first try it on an old stick of RAM or graphics card first, something expendable.
CryptiK
09-30-2008, 08:30 AM
I'm pretty sure it will be ok, IIRC I used it on a cpu to remove a pin mod I did using conductive silver (cpu was an e6300) and nothing happened to the cpu. It wont melt through it immediately or anything, just wipe a cotton bud on it and see if anything comes off on the cotton or if it discolours the cpu substrate. The CPU substrate may be different composition to ram/PCB of gfx card I'd test it on the top corner of the cpu itself. It's difficult to suggest an appropriate solvent, as the epoxy/resin the IHS is held on with is similar to the composition of the cpu substrate. What dissolves one will most likely damage the other. Mechanically separating it with a blade is definitely safer.
Alright well wish me luck. I'm going to have one last attempt at trying to get a blade under, stanley and razor at the ready :toast:
Shiranui Gen-An
09-30-2008, 01:39 PM
Testing my Reaper 8500 D9GMH kit on the DFI P35 board. I finally cracked 10K Everest read on a non-Nvidia board :D
:woot: My E4400 is unlidded :D instead of a staggering 84c load OCCT now reports 60c :up: Next step will be to scalp 2-3mm off the retention bracket so I can do away with the IHS completely and hopefully take that 60c to 50-55c.
Amazing temp decrease. Well done man.
Just a quick shot, but heres what I'm getting right now. Even able to run PL6 on 703m :D
doakh
09-30-2008, 07:34 PM
Here is a shot with some Team Xtreem 2x1GB PC2-9600. I used 2.27v (2.22v actual). They are quite impressive. However if they fail I will have to RMA to Taiwan. I have no idea how that might go.
WaterFlex
09-30-2008, 08:02 PM
doakh
Nice Latency. What is PL? 7? If so, how much vNB do you have to get pl7 work?
Oj101
10-01-2008, 12:56 AM
More voltage and CAS4 please :D
fatguy1992
10-01-2008, 03:15 AM
Here's my best :D
Corsair Dominator's PC2-8500 D9GMH's.
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm27/fatguy1992/My%20RAM%20Testing/RAMTEST201200MHz4-4-4-1.jpg
That was with 2.54v (in BIOS).
CryptiK
10-01-2008, 03:18 AM
Nice work :up:
PsySc0rpi0n
10-01-2008, 04:56 AM
Hi...
I don't have any bandwith test with my Team Xtreem Micron D9 PC2-667Mhz. I only have the valid.x86-secret link
Max of 588Mhz (DDR2-1176Mhz) with 5-5-5-15 and did not tested lower timings...
Other settings
E6600 @ 3429Mhz
FSB - 490Mhz
Mem Div - 5:6
Valid.x86-secret (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=423318) score
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/screenshot/423318.png
Now i think they might be just dead... I canīt boot them... Two days ago they only boot with 2.56v... Today they don't boot even with 2.70v...
CryptiK
10-01-2008, 05:31 AM
Hi...
I don't have any bandwith test with my Team Xtreem Micron D9 PC2-667Mhz. I only have the valid.x86-secret link
Max of 588Mhz (DDR2-1176Mhz) with 5-5-5-15 and did not tested lower timings...
Other settings
E6600 @ 3429Mhz
FSB - 490Mhz
Mem Div - 5:6
Now i think they might be just dead... I canīt boot them... Two days ago they only boot with 2.56v... Today they don't boot even with 2.70v...
If they won't even boot with 2.70v, you need to go ram shopping :D
Oj101
10-01-2008, 05:33 AM
Higher-than-stock startup voltage is the first sign of dead D9s :(
PsySc0rpi0n
10-01-2008, 05:43 AM
Bad news for me, right? I'm from portugal, the contry of the EN (European Nation) with the lowest base salary... lol.. No money for new mems... I'm Fu*ed up...
But they have life time warranty... I'll send them to Taiwan... May be they exchange them for me...
Dont tell them you were running excessive voltages through the RAM :p:
Revv23
10-01-2008, 06:09 AM
So all of my D9 is dead except 1 gb... I'm sad to see it go but im looking forward to after my RMA having ram that I can depend on for more then 6 months at a time lol.
one set died at 2.0v after max it ever had was 2.4v; the other set died right at 2.0v....
I sure will miss benching with 600mhz 4-4-4 though
PsySc0rpi0n
10-01-2008, 06:20 AM
Dont tell them you were running excessive voltages through the RAM :p:
Ionly told them in the RMA form that they don't boot even with higher voltages than default ones or i wouldn't have escuse to send them to RMA. I din't said what voltages i have used...
But thanks for the warning...:up:
D9's dying at 2.0v is ludicrous.
doakh
10-01-2008, 06:35 AM
doakh
Nice Latency. What is PL? 7? If so, how much vNB do you have to get pl7 work?
Waterflex, PL=7 and vNB=1.45v.
5-5-5-15-4-30
Revv23
10-01-2008, 09:12 AM
D9's dying at 2.0v is ludicrous.
tell that to my D9... ;)
*Slaps Revv23s D9s* better now? :D
tell that to my D9... ;)
Which brand were they?
johnysb
10-01-2008, 07:49 PM
testing a bit more Vdram@2.3V
I have the 2 x 1G Ballistix PC8500 and 2 x 1G of Crucial 10th Anniversary, which are both probably D9 GMH. The Ballistix 1066 are a little better than the 10th Annie as they need less voltage to reach 660 MHz. When I run all 4 sticks my COPY score drops 3,000 mb (to 7,000), despite doubling the available ram? This is probably an idiosyncracy of the P5K. I run a very low voltage system with most settings on their lowest levels @ 4100 MHz (500 x 8). Here are a couple of screenies of my Everest cache benchmarks:
noxon
10-02-2008, 02:33 AM
Turn that vcore down unless you want to kill that wolfie within a few months. 45nm chips can NOT handle voltages above 1.45v and live a long life. At 1.7v your wolfie will die within a year.
It liked the high vcore for benching, 3d stable and so on at that clock, for 24/7 it was running 4.5ghz at 1.52vcore..
noxon
Like your Crucials! You reached high clock btw. Can you pass Windows MemTest with that voltages?
Yea they are not bad atall!
Havnt tested stability at those clocks, running them at 500fsb 5:6 1200mhz 2.2volt 24/7
Nice clocks and congrats on breaking 10sec SPI1M. That sure is an aggressive vcore.?
Breaking 10s was done at 4521mhz, now im sub 8 at 5,7ghz ;)
Talking about high volts, Nanok and me did 1190MHz DDR 3-3-3-9 @ 3,375vdimm :D (G.skill 8000HZ)
It liked the high vcore for benching, 3d stable and so on at that clock, for 24/7 it was running 4.5ghz at 1.52vcore..
Thats still high for a 45nm. Seriously, like your really going to notice a difference between say 4.2GHz @ <1.45v (sensible) vs. 4.5GHz @ 1.52v (kiss goodbye to your wolfie) :rolleyes:
Oj101
10-02-2008, 05:01 AM
With his RAM pots? :D
Nanok
10-02-2008, 05:46 AM
With his RAM pots? :D
Yes with rampot
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showthread.php?t=188714&highlight=g.skill
fatguy1992
10-02-2008, 03:18 PM
:(
One of my Dominator PC2-8500 D9GMH's sticks just died :(
So now I only have 1GB of RAM :(
But i'v already ordered some Corsair Dominator 1142MHz CL5's :D
I'm going to RMA my dead stick and I was wondering if someone could tell me what Corsair's RMA is like? Slow? Fast?
Thx
Shiranui Gen-An
10-02-2008, 03:21 PM
Depends on the kit. 8500 RMA shouldn't take that long, but I can almost guarantee you won't get D9GMH back (I didn't get D9 back when I RMA'd my 8500s). I RMA'd my 6400C3 kit and it took MONTHS but they managed to replace it with another of the same, D9 and all. Dunno how they managed that this late in the game.
fatguy1992
10-02-2008, 03:26 PM
Depends on the kit. 8500 RMA shouldn't take that long, but I can almost guarantee you won't get D9GMH back (I didn't get D9 back when I RMA'd my 8500s). I RMA'd my 6400C3 kit and it took MONTHS but they managed to replace it with another of the same, D9 and all. Dunno how they managed that this late in the game.
Thx
It doesn't really matter if i don't get D9's back oh well.
How did you kill it? High volts?
Don_Dan
10-02-2008, 04:01 PM
Just wanted to share some results of my TeamGroup Team Xtreem 667 C3:
At first, 600MHz CL5-5-5-15, 10GB/s Everest read
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/838/ddr21200cl55300tg10gb1ac9.jpg
By don_dan (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/don_dan) at 2008-10-02
Then 425MHz CL3-3-3-10, I tried to set tRCD and tRP of 2 via MEMSET, but then Windows would crash immediately.
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1176/ddr2850cl31t5300tgevr1qr4.jpg
By don_dan (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/don_dan) at 2008-10-02
Both times settings were Everest benchmark and 1M stable, but not 32M or even Memtest stable. SuperPI 32M would crash with a message, but didn't crash the whole computer, which it did before when settings were unstable. Went from 2,32 to 2,45V Vdimm to get it stable, but this didn't help, any ideas? NB volts? Or is this just the limit of my RAM? Just asking because maybe I'm missing something.
fatguy1992
10-02-2008, 05:47 PM
How did you kill it? High volts?
No
I haven't overclocked in over 2 weeks
It just died :confused:
johnysb
10-02-2008, 07:42 PM
Nice clocks, J.
thank you, i am trying to do ~1250:yepp:
zsamz_
10-02-2008, 09:32 PM
Don_Dan something is wrong with your evest scores they should be higher in write and copy
and trfc is verry high
i havent touched n nvidia board for a loong time but something you gotta enable
WeldZilla
10-04-2008, 07:29 AM
I have 10 sticks here in my room
Here it is running with a Q6600 on my P5E
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/sp32x4.jpg
Another experiment with the Quad and the HZ on my P5E
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/piyiyi.jpg
Here it is running on my P5WDH Deluxe this board prefers 1:1 for speed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/pi32m.jpg
Here is my P5K-e wifi loving the 6400HZ!! all air-cooled!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/mypi32m.jpg
A little more out of the HZ
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/85pi.jpg
Hey the P5K-e works well with dividers. This is the settings I use for my daily clock
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/yikers.jpg
That is 9 months of more than 1.5 V to the e8400 and it is solid today as it was in January!!:rolleyes:
Back to the P5E
Here is a 32M run
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/260GTX/piiiii.jpg
Then there is my most frustrating board I have owned in years!!!
It's just that you can feel somewhere hidden deep with in it is the power to really be a screamer but it is hidden so deep that it seems to be unreachable!!
That board is my P5Q-Pro.
Clock for clock on pi it is right there with my p5e it may be even a tic faster.
On 3D benches however my P5E crushes it.
Still I do like the miserable thing.
I need to update my sig cuz there I tell you I run it daily at 4500 as a 24/7
but I don't. I actually run it at 4275mhz 24/7 now. This board also loves the G.Skill 6400HZ
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/P5Q%20PrO/aqmk3-1.jpg
My daily clock. this rig is air-cooled also.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/P5Q%20PrO/passed.jpg
As you can see with these 4 different Asus boards that they all just love the
G.Skill 6400HZ
The P5E, P5Ke-wifi and the P5Q-Pro all run 4 sticks at 1200+ just fine
WZ
CryptiK
10-04-2008, 07:51 AM
Nice work with the ram, 32M @ 616.9 MHz 5-5-5-6 is impressive. What vdimm did that require? You sure have been thrashing that 8400, I wouldn't have thought they'd take that kind of abuse daily for so long with no ill effects.
WeldZilla
10-04-2008, 08:11 AM
CrytiK That is 2 E8400's running at 1.5+V since January. Both are just as good as day one!! The mem volts were set at 2.08 in the bios the P5E overvolts a bit so it was closer to 2.22V.
On the P5K-e to get it to run 1:1 @ 549 the mem voltage was set at 2.12.
Here is yet another example of what you can do if you are limited by a stubborn proceesor with this memory.
as an example I have seen a lot of people who are stuck right around 400 to 420 fsb with their Quads and some older dualies
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/GSkilldammit.jpg
Again that was 2.08 in the bios on my P5E so it was in reality between 2.2 and 2.25
IT won't make up for massive amounts of mega-hertz but it will certainly help!!
You know the 6400HZ isn't the only really good mem out there, it is just the only stuff I use.
Here is the most telling test I have to show people why Being able to run G.Skill 6400HZ or
any great memory for that matter on the higher dividers will give your system way more power than 1:1.
Check out these 2 Aquamark3 runs all settings identical except the first run is done at 1:1 even with very
tight timings the 1:1 setting will be just hammered!!! Checkout the CPU score. Pretty damn good score!! as is the overall score.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/aqmkcompare1.jpg
Now when you apply the mem divider with all settings the same except the mem divider and timings.
you will see the cpu score jumps up dramatically!! It also lessons the processor's bottlenecking of the card so the graphics score goes up
as does the overall score dramatically!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/aqmkcompare2.jpg
guys and gals great memory is worth it!! It is in many cases the difference between a nice setup and a Killer Machine!!
WZ
WZ
CryptiK
10-04-2008, 08:30 AM
...........The mem volts were set at 2.08 in the bios the P5E overvolts a bit so it was closer to 2.22V................
That's pretty good ram to be 32M stable at that voltage, speed and timings. Don't kill it. It's also good to see the cpu's dealing with those voltages too, I have been hesitant to raise my voltage above 1.3625v in case damage resulted. Not that I'll be doing that anyway, but it's nice to see.
Don_Dan
10-04-2008, 03:15 PM
Don_Dan something is wrong with your evest scores they should be higher in write and copy
and trfc is verry high
i havent touched n nvidia board for a loong time but something you gotta enable
Yeah, write and copy bandwidth is what I'm wondering about, I think it's low because of my low CPU frequency, but I will have a look at it.
tRFC is so high as it's the value set by the SPD, and as I never got a gain from lowering tRFC I left it there, on the other hand, remember that I can set tRC on the 680i, and this value is giving a boost ( about 15MB/s in Everest write bandwidth when lowering it 1 value ).
18 is # 1
10-05-2008, 01:11 PM
That's pretty good ram to be 32M stable at that voltage, speed and timings. Don't kill it. It's also good to see the cpu's dealing with those voltages too, I have been hesitant to raise my voltage above 1.3625v in case damage resulted. Not that I'll be doing that anyway, but it's nice to see.
I keep my E8400 there also, but it sucks at OCing. I can't go above 3.8GHz and pass Prime.
I did get my Team back from RMA (in Taiwan)
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo280/rkduncan/screend9.jpg
How much voltage you using on that wolfie? Try 1.42v.
CellShock @ DDR1302, 2.12v (BIOS), PL8, all Pull-Ins enabled.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5885/evrm9.gif
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7869/mtyq4.gif
CryptiK
10-06-2008, 03:19 AM
Very nice work Dee, broke 11K across the board :up:
What gains in everest do you get with the pull-ins enabled? Any chance of a pull-ins disabled compared to a pull-ins enabled run with the same settings?
WaterFlex
10-06-2008, 04:03 AM
Dee
Very good clocking! Nice work! But you need 2,25-2,3 to make it stable.
RASTAVIPER
10-07-2008, 05:44 AM
Guys, which memory is considered to be the best for OC with 9950?Is it true that we never combine memory with voltage above 2volts with 9950?
Very nice work Dee, broke 11K across the board :up:
What gains in everest do you get with the pull-ins enabled? Any chance of a pull-ins disabled compared to a pull-ins enabled run with the same settings?
I'll try again later with Pull-Ins disabled. I don't think it will make a huge difference, only very minor.
Dee
Very good clocking! Nice work! But you need 2,25-2,3 to make it stable.
Indeed, I think so too. Still, the fact that it was able to boot to Windows and run Everest benchmarks is promising. :)
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