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safan80
09-12-2008, 06:59 AM
they link to the boston globe

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/09/12/intel-man-accused-secrets-amd

Trying to impress new bosses, said FBI

By Ian Williams: Friday, 12 September 2008, 12:24 PM

AN ENGINEER WHO moved from Intel over to rival chip maker AMD has been accused by the FBI of nicking top secret files on the way out the door.

According to FBI agent Timothy Russell, an ex-design engineer at Intel's Hudson plant named Biswahoman Pani thought he might try impress his new bosses at AMD by copying a raft of classified Intel design documents before scooting over to his new job.

According to the filing in the Boston US District Court, 13 files containing over 100 pages of top secret documentation and 19 drawings were found during a search of Pani's house in July.

The FBI was tipped off by another Intel employee who, on discovering Pani's planned move to the competition, ordered a log of his system access before he left.

"Intellectual property is a critical asset for Intel," said spokesIntel, Claudine Mangano.

"We basically asked the Department of Justice and the FBI to investigate activities, and we are cooperating with that investigation."

The affidavit also let AMD off the hook, saying the investigation had found no evidence that the company had encouraged or even knew of Pani's alleged industrial espionage. There is also no evidence that it got its hands on the designs either.

Thus far Pani's attorney, Bradford Bailey, has said his client "maintains his innocence and plans to vigourously defend against these accusations."

Pani was not taken into custody, but has been ordered to give up his passport and now no longer works at either AMD or Intel. µ

L'Inq
Boston Globe

demonkevy666
09-12-2008, 08:04 AM
no proof.... of anything.

Hornet331
09-12-2008, 08:07 AM
can i sai "epic fail" for this dude....

Eldonko
09-12-2008, 08:08 AM
Doesnt look like he brought many good secrets haha :D

BlazingArrow
09-12-2008, 08:09 AM
no proof.... of anything.

uh documents in his house is pretty good evidence, or 'proof'.

FischOderAal
09-12-2008, 08:11 AM
How can you be that stupid? Was he fired or did he quit?

ragzarok
09-12-2008, 08:12 AM
...I smell a trojan...

nn_step
09-12-2008, 08:13 AM
uh documents in his house is pretty good evidence, or 'proof'.

oh please the FBI previously claimed a toaster was proof that a kid Hacked into the pentagon. For a large part I doubt the FBI has any idea what a current Generation CPU trade secret is.

deathman20
09-12-2008, 08:20 AM
oh please the FBI previously claimed a toaster was proof that a kid Hacked into the pentagon. For a large part I doubt the FBI has any idea what a current Generation CPU trade secret is.

Might not but im sure Intel knows if they have log files showing the guy taking these documents and saving them. Big brother is watching.

BlazingArrow
09-12-2008, 08:23 AM
oh please the FBI previously claimed a toaster was proof that a kid Hacked into the pentagon. For a large part I doubt the FBI has any idea what a current Generation CPU trade secret is.

it's future generation CPU secrets...and it wasn't just the documents found in his house, it's also the fact that they have a log if the actions he performed at his job which proves he stole documents.

nn_step
09-12-2008, 08:28 AM
it's future generation CPU secrets...and it wasn't just the documents found in his house, it's also the fact that they have a log if the actions he performed at his job which proves he stole documents.

It is not proven until it stands under the rule of law by a jury of peers. So at this moment nothing has been proven.

bowman
09-12-2008, 08:29 AM
This explains Barcelona.

/me runs from pitchfork-wielding hordes

Donnie27
09-12-2008, 08:29 AM
it's future generation CPU secrets...and it wasn't just the documents found in his house, it's also the fact that they have a log if the actions he performed at his job which proves he stole documents.

Forgetaboutit! Note they were trying to cheat FOR AMD, of course certain folks will defend something this blatantly and obviously wrong:ROTF::clap: Proof of wrong doing means nothing:rofl:

Donnie27
09-12-2008, 08:31 AM
This explains Barcelona.

/me runs from pitchfork-wielding hordes

:yepp::rofl::ROTF:

Eson
09-12-2008, 08:33 AM
This explains Barcelona.

/me runs from pitchfork-wielding hordes

I knew it.. this thread is made for AMD bashing.

Donnie27
09-12-2008, 09:07 AM
I knew it.. this thread is made for AMD bashing.

No it's not. It's bashing the guy who tried to steal and others trying to defend him. AMD didn't do anything to draw flames from anyone=P:rolleyes:

billdavis
09-12-2008, 09:18 AM
dudes it isnt like us government top secret :banana::banana::banana::banana: still verry important and bill clinton cant sell it but who gives a :banana::banana::banana::banana:

bowman
09-12-2008, 09:23 AM
I knew it.. this thread is made for AMD bashing.

I'm not bashing AMD. I'm insinuating they unwittingly stole the plans for Tejas. :p:

Besides, as a desktop and workstation processor Barcelona doesn't match up to the competition. AMD fan or not that's a fact. Similarly you'd have to look long and hard for an Intel fan willing to defend Prescott against the Athlon 64.

xlink
09-12-2008, 09:31 AM
Similarly you'd have to look long and hard for an Intel fan willing to defend Prescott against the Athlon 64.

owner of this site.

freeloader
09-12-2008, 09:39 AM
He probably took his own work but of course when you work for a company, your intellectual property is THEIR property.

freeloader
09-12-2008, 09:41 AM
owner of this site.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

SFT...

3NZ0
09-12-2008, 09:46 AM
He probably took his own work but of course when you work for a company, your intellectual property is THEIR property.
Very true, as we don't know the whole story it could have just as easily been like this.

Rammsteiner
09-12-2008, 09:47 AM
owner of this site.
I can name a few more, but lets not go there:p:.

Anyhow, pretty stupid. First off to trap on Intel like that in the first place and then get caught via lol logs.

Then secondly, if he would have shown AMD people those docs I think they would have called Female Body Inspection anyway.

But! There's this other theory! He might have tried to copy AMD files too, fly to China and hand them both over for China's own quadcore:ROTF:.

But seriously, this is plain stupid and tbh, what does a not even new employee looks like to his new boss if he hands over secret stuff from his previous boss... He might do the very same thing to AMD as well after a few years to impress Via, who the :banana::banana::banana::banana: knows.

I love Darwin:D

T_Flight
09-12-2008, 09:49 AM
Corporate spies and logs. :yepp: This guy is gonna get served...in more ways than one. Hope he has fun with Big Bertha at the federal hotel.

What's funny about this is that a person would go from Intel to AMD right now. That doesn't make alot of sense from a job security perspective. This smells like this guy was a spy all along.

bowman
09-12-2008, 09:53 AM
Corporate spies and logs. :yepp: This guy is gonna get served...in more ways than one. Hope he has fun with Big Bertha at the federal hotel.

What's funny about this is that a person would go from Intel to AMD right now. That doesn't make alot of sense from a job security perspective. This smells like this guy was a spy all along.

Maybe he really works for IBM, and they're looking for a way for their CPUs to not suck?!

owner of this site.

Really? I'm going to have to look through old posts now.. Should be fun.

T_Flight
09-12-2008, 09:56 AM
Maybe he really works for IBM, and they're looking for a way for their CPUs to not suck?!



Really? I'm going to have to look through old posts now.. Should be fun.

:ROTF:

SparkyJJO
09-12-2008, 09:56 AM
Well good job guy, take the stuff, FBI gets on you, intel is mad at you, and AMD fires you. Brilliant!

Marvin_The_Martian
09-12-2008, 10:01 AM
Shall I be the first to say the obvious and state that the first thing I thought when I read the thread title was that this must be a prank :rofl:

Think that guy will have a brilliant future ahead of himself :)

@@@@
09-12-2008, 10:04 AM
the thing in my mind is will the documents be open to the public like the case before or close because it contains secret documents

Rammsteiner
09-12-2008, 10:24 AM
the thing in my mind is will the documents be open to the public like the case before or close because it contains secret documents
Depends when documents are actually really noted as 'secret'? I mean, in an Intel vs AMD sort of environment any document from either of them is secret for the other, even if it is how to efficiently clean the building for that matter.

But I doubt there's any compagnie not having rivals so that would mean any document is secret, so it really depends I think how/when something is rated secret. And as well, how much the FBI would care in the first place:rolleyes:.

In England and in here gouvernment documents go over street like it's a lost newspaper too and no one cares enough to keep them secret (some people who find it keep it secret though, but a very few).

BrowncoatGR
09-12-2008, 01:16 PM
The FBI was tipped off by another Intel employee who, on discovering Pani's planned move to the competition, ordered a log of his system access before he left.
While what the other guy did was wrong , this makes me feel sick.

shiznit93
09-12-2008, 01:33 PM
why would you leave Intel for AMD?

gallag
09-12-2008, 01:53 PM
Can just imagine how different the responses of some people would be if it was the other way round i.e if it was a AMD man going to Intel.

nn_step
09-12-2008, 01:53 PM
why would you leave Intel for AMD?

It is his personal choice, not ours. Maybe because AMD has better Cookies :rolleyes:

Donnie27
09-12-2008, 01:54 PM
owner of this site.

Sure but look at Fugger's cooling system? I didn't and went with a 3500+. Sorry to disapoint a certain AMD Super Fan looking for Fodder:rofl: Fugger did give props to A64 and never really bad mouthed them:up:

Nasgul
09-12-2008, 04:26 PM
Doesnt look like he brought many good secrets haha :D

Yeah..........too bad, perhaps maybe and only "maybe", they would have had a "stable" platform once and for all.


That dude should have acted quicker, but most likely he'll just receive a hefty fine and couple of month in jail.

Cooper
09-12-2008, 04:42 PM
Well as per contract you sign employing for either of the companies you cannot go for work within certain time period after you quit your job to a rival company.
Secondly "engineering secrets" is a very tough thing to prove since engineering as it is evolves despite the company and some things could be worked on simultaneously within rivals.

Glow9
09-12-2008, 05:31 PM
I wouldnt have been surprised if he did go to his AMD bosses and they'd call the cops. Happened a couple years ago with a guy and some lady trying to sell coke some pepsi secrets. Didnt end well for them either

Rammsteiner
09-12-2008, 06:39 PM
While what the other guy did was wrong , this makes me feel sick.
Maybe he was already acting suspicious before he announced his move to AMD. Although it's quite weird it nowadays still happens this often that there's no notification of opening/copying files to some admin:confused:

why would you leave Intel for AMD?
Why not, it's just another job which might have offered him more of a challenge:shrug:. Or he hoped for a better income if he would hand over those documents:ROTF:

Can just imagine how different the responses of some people would be if it was the other way round i.e if it was a AMD man going to Intel.
Like?

IMO it makes no difference at all. Dont know about other people though, cant speak for everyone else. But I dont see how this would be any different so nor can I see how this would have effected comments either.

Actually, I first read it your way and typed basicly the very same thing until I read the title again, was only a matter of switching AMD and Intel around really:rolleyes:

Sure but look at Fugger's cooling system? I didn't and went with a 3500+. Sorry to disapoint a certain AMD Super Fan looking for Fodder:rofl: Fugger did give props to A64 and never really bad mouthed them:up:
You feel... attracted to my post in anyway?:rolleyes:

FYI, I was in not a single way pointing at you, however I wont go after your fail bait more than this:up:

Yeah..........too bad, perhaps maybe and only "maybe", they would have had a "stable" platform once and for all.
Oooh, there we go again:down:. Funny, Ive not heard of any "unstable" issues yet?

That dude should have acted quicker, but most likely he'll just receive a hefty fine and couple of month in jail.
Acting quicker wouldnt have changed anything really. If they wouldnt have noticed at Intel, AMD would have dropped him off at FBI anyway. Acting quicker would have got him arrested only earlier.

Im still wondering wtf he was thinking in the first place:ROTF: This sort of, well, 'business' can only work when one side actually asked said person to do so in exchange for whatever. Also this can basicly only work if he did not leave his job, at least for longer than a fail attempt. Any compagnie knows this is very illegal, so if said compagnie is caught bribing people to steal secret documents that compagnie is really going to have big problems:rolleyes:

But as said, I love Darwin. For a lot of people his theory is simply too hard to understand and prove that in practic:p:

villa1n
09-12-2008, 06:59 PM
Well as per contract you sign employing for either of the companies you cannot go for work within certain time period after you quit your job to a rival company.
Secondly "engineering secrets" is a very tough thing to prove since engineering as it is evolves despite the company and some things could be worked on simultaneously within rivals.

non competition agreements rarely hold up.

Donnie27
09-12-2008, 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Sure but look at Fugger's cooling system? I didn't and went with a 3500+. Sorry to disapoint a certain AMD Super Fan looking for Fodder Fugger did give props to A64 and never really bad mouthed them

You feel... attracted to my post in anyway?

FYI, I was in not a single way pointing at you, however I wont go after your fail bait more than this

If the shoe fits!:rofl::ROTF:

Prescott sucked unless you had the cooling Fugger and others had. I didn't so I bought a 3500+. Might be hard for you to understand but actions speaks louder than words:up: Most of us on this forum aren't loyal blind mice;)

shiznit93
09-12-2008, 09:48 PM
my point was that AMD's future is very uncertain, if I had a decent position at Intel I would not be going to a company which might be going under very soon.

T_Flight
09-12-2008, 10:18 PM
my point was that AMD's future is very uncertain, if I had a decent position at Intel I would not be going to a company which might be going under very soon.

That's what I was wondering when I posted my first post in this thread. What on earth was he thinking? Or was he capable of thought? heh

That company is going bankrupt. Unless divine intervention steps in, it's looking like they are stuck in perpetual behindness with no money...well, let me rephrase that, they are in debt in the bottomless firey pit of hell now. They are also selling off assets which normally is a prelude to bankrupsy precedings. The next move I would expect would be cleansing of the books to avoid prison time for the ones responsible for running it into the ground. I don't know what happened to AMD, or the investors, but they just let it go right down the drain. Why the investors didn't takw that company back by force I'll never understand. :shakes:

hollo
09-13-2008, 12:30 AM
*what nn_step said*

YukonTrooper
09-13-2008, 12:50 AM
I knew it.. this thread is made for AMD bashing.
Boohoo. :stick:

RejZoR
09-13-2008, 01:14 AM
Not that Intel was stealing AMD's ideas for years...

Rammsteiner
09-13-2008, 04:03 AM
If the shoe fits!:rofl::ROTF:

Prescott sucked unless you had the cooling Fugger and others had. I didn't so I bought a 3500+. Might be hard for you to understand but actions speaks louder than words:up: Most of us on this forum aren't loyal blind mice;)
Errr, I read your post already, I see no need for posting it twice with the same irrelevant rubbish.

Or are you now a schizo loyal blind mouse instead, or should I say mice... Dont know:confused:

Also, on a side note, actions do not have more value than words. There's enough RL examples of that by now. But if you insist, I sold enough people Intel PC's past few months so, yeah, dont see your point really:shrug:

Not that Intel was stealing AMD's ideas for years...
Carefull, you might be called a 'loyal blind mouse', paid by AMD and having 'green blood' and what not:shocked: Actually a bad recipe for a crap movie:rolleyes:

T_Flight
09-13-2008, 11:48 AM
Guys let's go easy ok. Most (not all, but *most*) of us that have been into computers for awhile have used both AMD and Intel. I've used green CPU's back in the K5 and K6 days...yes the pre 1GHz days. :rolleyes:

I've used Intel for awhile now, and got into the high FSB stuff for awhile.

Now it's a different era again, and I'm picking Intel once more. It just depends on what is happening when I upgrade.

Let's not bash too hard on AMD. Alot of the bad things that have happened to AMD were brought on by a bad CEO, and some bad buisness moves. They need money to help drive R&D so they can get back into the game again and give Intel competition.

C'mon guys...I know you don't wanna be paying 1000 dollars for the Enthusiasts level Chips and 1500 dollars for the Extreme's again. That's what will happen. Even if you are a loyal Intel user AMD is a good company to have because they drive new ideas and technology. They are kinda down right now so give them a break.

AMD has made some good CPU's and set lots of world records. They gave gaming a huge surge and really set some serious benchmarking records. We wouldn't have what we have to today if it were not for AMD.

This spying stuff though was a completely brain dead thing to do. I pray that neither of these companies had anything to do with this and this guy was acting on his own.

Zytek_Fan
09-13-2008, 12:01 PM
It's probably happened before, so there's a degree of overreaction...

Donnie27
09-13-2008, 07:25 PM
Errr, I read your post already, I see no need for posting it twice with the same irrelevant rubbish.

Or are you now a schizo loyal blind mouse instead, or should I say mice... Dont know:confused:

Also, on a side note, actions do not have more value than words. There's enough RL examples of that by now. But if you insist, I sold enough people Intel PC's past few months so, yeah, dont see your point really:shrug:


Carefull, you might be called a 'loyal blind mouse', paid by AMD and having 'green blood' and what not:shocked: Actually a bad recipe for a crap movie:rolleyes:

:rofl::ROTF:!

Donnie27
09-13-2008, 07:37 PM
Guys let's go easy ok. Most (not all, but *most*) of us that have been into computers for awhile have used both AMD and Intel. I've used green CPU's back in the K5 and K6 days...yes the pre 1GHz days. :rolleyes:

I've used Intel for awhile now, and got into the high FSB stuff for awhile.

Now it's a different era again, and I'm picking Intel once more. It just depends on what is happening when I upgrade.

Let's not bash too hard on AMD. Alot of the bad things that have happened to AMD were brought on by a bad CEO, and some bad buisness moves. They need money to help drive R&D so they can get back into the game again and give Intel competition.

C'mon guys...I know you don't wanna be paying 1000 dollars for the Enthusiasts level Chips and 1500 dollars for the Extreme's again. That's what will happen. Even if you are a loyal Intel user AMD is a good company to have because they drive new ideas and technology. They are kinda down right now so give them a break.

AMD has made some good CPU's and set lots of world records. They gave gaming a huge surge and really set some serious benchmarking records. We wouldn't have what we have to today if it were not for AMD.

This spying stuff though was a completely brain dead thing to do. I pray that neither of these companies had anything to do with this and this guy was acting on his own.

Good post and we were talking about guy leaving Intel with inside info to try and give to AMD. In my first post I said AMD has nothing to do with this. Then you get one of their gorilla marketers with his normal gibberish and trash.

No one wants to see anything happen to AMD. Most of us have enough common sense to understand economics 101 or Demand and Supply. Yet, we shouldn't try to lie turn sow's ear into a silk purse.:rolleyes:

paulhamm
09-13-2008, 08:16 PM
That's what I was wondering when I posted my first post in this thread. What on earth was he thinking? Or was he capable of thought? heh

That company is going bankrupt. Unless divine intervention steps in, it's looking like they are stuck in perpetual behindness with no money...well, let me rephrase that, they are in debt in the bottomless firey pit of hell now. They are also selling off assets which normally is a prelude to bankrupsy precedings. The next move I would expect would be cleansing of the books to avoid prison time for the ones responsible for running it into the ground. I don't know what happened to AMD, or the investors, but they just let it go right down the drain. Why the investors didn't takw that company back by force I'll never understand. :shakes:

Your understanding of bankruptcy law is breathtaking. You should teach, really, you should.

Chad Boga
09-14-2008, 10:55 AM
why would you leave Intel for AMD?
He was told AMD was smoother.

Donnie27
09-14-2008, 11:08 AM
Oh noez, the schizo loyal blind mouse returns!

Now that's strange, I read something completely different in your first two posts + still feeling offended from a later post?:clap:

But hey, Im getting paid only 10K Euro/month for posting this and Ive the green glasses on today, so I really cant say it's AMD's fault, can I?:ROTF:

Im sorry Donnie, but actually I like you sentences. Luckily they're not CR'd so I can use them as well:up:. It's actually funny to use them.

Name calling or as you said ""the schizo loyal blind mouse" is against forum rules, you know that, right? Yeah LOL! Like you sentences too:rofl:

Donnie27
09-14-2008, 11:10 AM
He was told AMD was smoother.

:rofl::ROTF::up:

Movieman
09-14-2008, 11:16 AM
Oh noez, the schizo loyal blind mouse returns!





Now that's strange, I read something completely different in your first two posts + still feeling offended from a later post?:clap:

But hey, Im getting paid only 10K Euro/month for posting this and Ive the green glasses on today, so I really cant say it's AMD's fault, can I?:ROTF:

Im sorry Donnie, but actually I like you sentences. Luckily they're not CR'd so I can use them as well:up:. It's actually funny to use them.
Puts on mod hat
To all;
Please excused Rammsteiners comments.
He's now taking a short 7 day vacation to do some thinking about the wording of his replies to people on this site.
Thanks for reading.

YukonTrooper
09-14-2008, 12:33 PM
He was told AMD was smoother.
Haha. That was good. :up:

STaRGaZeR
09-14-2008, 12:39 PM
He was told AMD was smoother.

That explains everything.

informal
09-14-2008, 03:22 PM
He was told AMD was smoother.
:p: I must admit that was very funny :D.

FUGGER
09-14-2008, 03:41 PM
owner of this site.

In hindsight,

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26650&highlight=killed

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14853&highlight=dead

I never had a single Prescott die, yet so many A64 died trying to catch my gimpy scores on cascade. :yepp:

I am sure AMD knew what was going on, the grass is so green at AMD that I would want to switch too... - Back on topic

SparkyJJO
09-14-2008, 03:45 PM
In hindsight, A64 was garbage.

Perhaps for the phase stuff, yes the mem controller made things interesting. But, for the majority of people on air and water, it was pretty darn good :shrug:
And for the record I've only ever had one bad AMD chip, that was my phenom that arrived defective. No issues with any others, even after some pretty torturous runs.

Cooper
09-14-2008, 03:51 PM
Lmao :D
though that time amd were not manufacturing x86 cpus

guys if you see an inappropriate post just report it or PM the admin/mod. No need to discuss these things in news section

Gautam
09-14-2008, 03:54 PM
Nah they were founded early enough. (Mid 60's correct?) :p:

Cooper
09-14-2008, 03:57 PM
1969 to be precise...just one year after intel's foundation.
i take my word back on cpu manufacturing. they signed agreement with intel in 1982

KoHaN69
09-14-2008, 04:01 PM
intel got their intel compromised!

Marvin_The_Martian
09-14-2008, 04:02 PM
Perhaps for the phase stuff, yes the mem controller made things interesting. But, for the majority of people on air and water, it was pretty darn good :shrug:
And for the record I've only ever had one bad AMD chip, that was my phenom that arrived defective. No issues with any others, even after some pretty torturous runs.

+1

But you can't expect Mr. Intel to say otherwise can you ;)

No disrespect FUGGER, but sorry if I didn't take that comment to serieus :D

Cooper
09-14-2008, 04:07 PM
intel got their intel compromised!

what do you mean by that :confused:

insurgent
09-14-2008, 04:16 PM
LOL@Rammsteiner, if you're going to flame join the crunchers first, look at shintai, you can even flame a mod :up:

informal
09-14-2008, 04:26 PM
LOL@Rammsteiner, if you're going to flame join the crunchers first, look at shintai, you can even flame a mod :up:

Well that's an interesting suggestion,i wondered what was that all about and how was it even possible :p:

So crunchers it is (j/k) :D

intel got their intel compromised!
intel being "intellectual property" i guess? :)

Marvin_The_Martian
09-14-2008, 04:29 PM
Well that's an interesting suggestion,i wondered what was that all about and how was it even possible :p:

So crunchers it is (j/k) :D


Without kidding, you can do so much more if you crunch! You can go to the wcg section and pull FP's finger for one! Or come to the fah section and get electroshock from Sparky!

:rolleyes:

T_Flight
09-14-2008, 08:18 PM
Your understanding of bankruptcy law is breathtaking. You should teach, really, you should.


ummmmm.....Whaaaat?!? :shakes:

Nosfer@tu
09-14-2008, 09:03 PM
LOL@Rammsteiner, if you're going to flame join the crunchers first, look at shintai, you can even flame a mod :up:

Start Crunching then!

Give the admins the finger!

"CLEVER" ? :rolleyes::down::)

naokaji
09-15-2008, 12:15 AM
Without kidding, you can do so much more if you crunch! You can go to the wcg section and pull FP's finger for one! Or come to the fah section and get electroshock from Sparky!

:rolleyes:

Of course, just because you can pull FP's finger doesnt mean you should, for your own safety, better give Dave your Phonenumber, less collateral damage that way:p:

Hell Hound
09-15-2008, 07:13 AM
You Fail,lOl.

Vinas
09-15-2008, 07:51 AM
It's not proving anything, I mean for all we know he had access to those specs and documents anyway. Who says you can't take it home?

Giving away the secrets is definitely wrong and illegal, but it's not been proven that this guy did that. Just knowing about the technology he could damage Intel really, but it's a fine line between love & hate when it comes to suff like this. I give the guy benefit of doubt unless he's proven guilty.

Donnie27
09-15-2008, 08:45 AM
It's not proving anything, I mean for all we know he had access to those specs and documents anyway. Who says you can't take it home?

Giving away the secrets is definitely wrong and illegal, but it's not been proven that this guy did that. Just knowing about the technology he could damage Intel really, but it's a fine line between love & hate when it comes to suff like this. I give the guy benefit of doubt unless he's proven guilty.

Intel did when they stamped Confidential and Secrete on them. Most companies train their employees on IP security and what they can and can not take. Intel spends Millions on it. It was proven when this person was CAUGHT with the Documents, some were drawings.

Evidence (http://www.techpowerup.com/71182/Ex-Intel_Employee_Charged_with_Stealing_Sensitive_Inf ormation_En_Route_AMD.html)

August in US District Court in Boston, FBI Special Agent Timothy Russell said in an affidavit that more than 100 pages of sensitive Intel documents, as well as 19 CAD drawings, were found in a search of Pani's house conducted on July 1.

Vinas
09-15-2008, 10:01 AM
It's still sketchy at best and Tech Powerup is hardly a source anyway. He had the company laptop, indicating intel has just one laptop? No. The article mentions they've accused him so nothing has been proven.

I think most engineering type professionals have some type of information at home. If not then you're not working as hard as most others. I just don't think the guy should be burned for having work material at home, but again I don't know the circumstances. Sure government security is one thing, but the private sector pretty much makes their own rules when it comes to what is sensitive and what "becomes" sensitive after you leave.

Still giving benefit of doubt. I'd expect an Intel engineer to be somewhat professional but really it's the company policy @ intel that allowed this to happen in the first place.

Donnie27
09-15-2008, 11:27 AM
It's still sketchy at best and Tech Powerup is hardly a source anyway. He had the company laptop, indicating intel has just one laptop? No. The article mentions they've accused him so nothing has been proven.

I think most engineering type professionals have some type of information at home. If not then you're not working as hard as most others. I just don't think the guy should be burned for having work material at home, but again I don't know the circumstances. Sure government security is one thing, but the private sector pretty much makes their own rules when it comes to what is sensitive and what "becomes" sensitive after you leave.

Still giving benefit of doubt. I'd expect an Intel engineer to be somewhat professional but really it's the company policy @ intel that allowed this to happen in the first place.

This time it's a former Intel engineer named Biswahoman Pani, who nabbed 13 files containing over 100 pages of internal Intel design documents drawings on his way to a new gig at AMD. The FBI got involved when another Intel employee noticed some funny business on system access logs, but so far Biswahoman has denied everything -- although his passport's been confiscated and he never got to take that AMD job. Crime don't pay, kids.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/oh_snap_former_intel_employee_accused_stealing_sec rets_sell_amd

According to an affidavit by FBI special agent Timothy Russell, the alleged storyline goes like this: Pani, playing the part of double-agent, informs Intel officials in May of his intention to resign so he can go work for a hedge fund and would utilize accrued vacation time until June 11, which would be his final official day. Here's where the plot twist comes in. There is no hedge fund, and Pani instead begins working for AMD on June 2. With time still left on the table at Intel, the suspected double-agent accesses and downloads 13 secret documents from an encrypted system.

Ego
09-15-2008, 01:15 PM
fib cant get ppl wichtheyhunt by 10 years.
Now imagine processors and fib, prolly they gonna start with processor arhitecture, them mmx them sse_x, ect.
fib gonna make processors wich will make spy on ppl :)

Bao01
09-15-2008, 10:48 PM
It's still sketchy at best and Tech Powerup is hardly a source anyway. He had the company laptop, indicating intel has just one laptop? No. The article mentions they've accused him so nothing has been proven.

I think most engineering type professionals have some type of information at home. If not then you're not working as hard as most others. I just don't think the guy should be burned for having work material at home, but again I don't know the circumstances. Sure government security is one thing, but the private sector pretty much makes their own rules when it comes to what is sensitive and what "becomes" sensitive after you leave.

Still giving benefit of doubt. I'd expect an Intel engineer to be somewhat professional but really it's the company policy @ intel that allowed this to happen in the first place.

I'm going to throw in my two cents, though it seems no other engineers or technical people care enough to comment here.

Sure, some people might forget for a day or two to bring back stuff they take home. However, there's absolutely no reason why they should have any sensitive material after leaving a company. That's just unethical.

At the very least, all these documents should have been caught and returned or destroyed as part of the separation process, as soon as he decided to turn in his resignation, in fact.

There's no reason to retain any material after one leaves. I guess interns, technicians, or some kid with his mind in the gutters might think this kind of oversight is OK or even taking material as trophies or to boast about is acceptable. But really, we're talking gross violation of ethics here.

Frankly, the evidence is pretty damning. Even without the circumstances and despite whatever reason, the fact that they found documents in the guy's home is enough to take him down. I am not surprised AMD chose to cut him off and I would not be surprised to see this guy serve time as a felon.