ITunes 8 a Real Killer App; Taking Down Vista

[safan80]

http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/09/11/217236.shtml

"Apple 's latest version of iTunes crashes Windows Vista when an iPod or iPhone is connected to the PC, scores of users have reported on Apple's support forum. Plug in and Vista crashes and shows the 'blue screen of death.' The errors began showing up immediately after updating iTunes to Version 8.0, which Apple released Tuesday as part of its iPod refresh. 'I just installed iTunes 8 over my iTunes 7 on Vista [and] now whenever I plug in my iPod, I get a blue screen death. Three times so far. Even if it is plugged in on boot, I get a blue screen," said a user identified as 'sambeckett' on the support forum about 90 minutes after Apple CEO Steve Jobs wrapped up the iPod launch."

[Helmore]

I haven't used iTunes in quite a while. It's not even installed on my PC atm, but now I know I should wait a while for a better revision before I download this.

[Mickey Padge]

Maybe Sam Beckett could "leap" back in time to warn Apple and Microsoft? :p: :D

[insurgent]

I wonder how many people will blame Vista for the crashes, must be part of the plan.

[Helmore]

I wonder how many people will blame Vista for the crashes, must be part of the plan.

I was wondering the same thing, especially since iTunes is from Apple and there can't be anything wrong (bug etc.) with something made by Apple. Or that's what quite a few people think.

[Ghost326267]

I wonder how many people will blame Vista for the crashes, must be part of the plan.

sabotage tactics from apple :rofl:

[Rmrdr13]

I wonder how many people will blame Vista for the crashes, must be part of the plan.

Dark Knight reference?:up:

I don't sync my ipod on my PC anymore, but I'm sure its an iTunes bug rather than vista.

[Nate P.]

sabotage tactics from apple :rofl:
No doubt! It's all a conspiracy!

[insurgent]

Haha Apple as a brand has been glorified in everyday media, it's no stretch to expect there will be people blaming Vista for this. What is a stretch is the QA department missing this bug xD

[zanzabar]

apple has a QA department for desktops, i figured that since they base everything on JAVA they didnt care about security or it working

[turtletrax]

My question is when M$ is gonna start a rediculous Mac bashing add with some normal guy asking a scron why he is so alouf and why he sits at Starbucks with his Macbook and Ipod just so eveyone else can see?

My hatred for Mac grows with eveytime I see those stupid adds.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

doesn't do it on x64 vista ultimate, or else my comp is just special or something....

[villa1n]

My question is when M$ is gonna start a rediculous Mac bashing add with some normal guy asking a scron why he is so alouf and why he sits at Starbucks with his Macbook and Ipod just so eveyone else can see?

My hatred for Mac grows with eveytime I see those stupid adds.

He s at Starbucks writing his novel... I thought everyone knew that?! :P I shouldnt poke fun though, i have a macbookpro with bootcamp running lol. the hardware is sweet, i m just not a fan of osx.

[RaZz!]

He s at Starbucks writing his novel... I thought everyone knew that?! :P I shouldnt poke fun though, i have a macbookpro with bootcamp running lol. the hardware is sweet, i m just not a fan of osx.

the hardware is sweet but you're not a fan of osx. mh... so you like everything at it but the apple parts, as the hardware hasn't anything to do with apple at all :D

[SparkyJJO]

Itunes sucks, this just reinforces that fact. Of course, there are those out there who will insist it isn't apple's fault since they are perfect and never do any wrong and must be Microsoft's problem...:rolleyes:

[MomijiTMO]

I'll connect my iPod when I get home and report back. I'm currently migrating to a new pc. It shall be BSOD funnies.

[Aphex_Tom_9]

Well, vista already has an iffy rep, and apple software has a pretty solid one...so it's easy to point in the wrong direction.
Obviously it's the fault of apple's itunes development team for windows, they probably didn't test it rigorously enough...
Doesn't affect me though, I only connect my ipod to my mac anyway ;)

[ragzarok]

I hate Macs. Stylish, hah. Am I the only one who thinks Macs and their cartoonish interface or plain-jane boring hardware are crap? I've never understood that train of thought which regards macs as "cool"/"stylish". I've always thought all Mac owners have nothing unique to show when they come out to starbucks with their macbook pro's and sit there looking exactly the same. End rant.

Edit: don't get me started on their pricing.

[Swatrecon_]

Itunes sucks, this just reinforces that fact. Of course, there are those out there who will insist it isn't apple's fault since they are perfect and never do any wrong and must be Microsoft's problem...:rolleyes:

Agreed, iTunes is a waste of space, HD space that is.

I hate Macs. Stylish, hah. Am I the only one who thinks Macs and their cartoonish interface or plain-jane boring hardware are crap? I've never understood that train of thought which regards macs as "cool"/"stylish". I've always thought all Mac owners have nothing unique to show when they come out to starbucks with their macbook pro's and sit there looking exactly the same. End rant.

Edit: don't get me started on their pricing.

Agreed 110% I can't stand Macs, everything about them is just completely MEH! There's nothing better about them than a PC but there's nothing terribly worse either! I just don't like how people go gallivanting around with their Macbooks thinking they're all that and a bag of potatoes. Reminds me of :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing hippies.

[villa1n]

the hardware is sweet but you're not a fan of osx. mh... so you like everything at it but the apple parts, as the hardware hasn't anything to do with apple at all :D

Haha, yeah thats exactly it. Well its hard to find the top bin intel mobile chips in other laptops, hehe, and despite the fact Steve jobs scares me, they do put together a decent hardware package, i just skip out on the software :P Besides, when I take my coffee midday, people think i m writing my opus. lol.

[Nasgul]

I luv my iPod, the single greatest invention from Steve Jobs.............I luv Windows Vista Ultimate, the greatest OS so far from Microsoft...........I luv 'em, I luv 'em both, they go hand in hand and are the greatest things for my entertainment during my lunch brakes in my office, I watch South Park videos and eat a Tuna Sub from Subway every day M-F.

I don't know what that Genius thing does but I'll find out......

New features are cool, now I can see the albums in one window whereas before I had to scroll down and see the album cover and the songs were there but......I already know what's in there.......so this time, I get the album cover, I click on it and I play the song w/o having to scroll ALL the way down...just 3 scrolls down and I'm there.........

I luv my iPod and iTunes 8 seems cool so far.............

oh! Did I mention no BSODs or any issues at all so far?

Well, there it is:

:woot:


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Nasgul/iTunes8.png

[drteming]

Looks like Apple is sneaking other stuff in addition to iTunes and Quicktime...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=536

[apt403]

I downloaded it last night so I could restore a few iPods, and it locked 64-bit Server 2008 right up... No BSODs yet though.

[Ironmon1]

To anyone who was dumb enough to get problems from the compiled condescension that is mac running on their otherwise perfectly good windows PC: serves. you. right. :rofl:
I am a bit sad, though. People will certainly blame this on vista, just like the Nvidia driver problems..and I'll have to explain that it's not Microsoft's fault that other people are even worse at coding than they are.

[strange|ife]

don't buy apple mobile products, done.

itunes is lame anyway

get a zune

[MaxxxRacer]

so far so good with itunes 8 other than the app store being jacked up right now so i cant update wikipanion :(

[3NZ0]

I have a 4th gen ipod photo 40gb, 30gb gen 5.5 and a 8gig nano 3rd gen (I only bought the 30gig one) and apart from updating the firmware when I first got them I've never used itunes.

MGTEK dopisp, possibly one of the best plugins for wmp11 out there. No faffing about, just plug in ipod, copy/delete/sync and you're good to go.
One thing that always irritated me about itunes was just how bloated it was for what it did. Services, background updaters, quicktime, bonjour, the list of rubbish goes on and on.

[T_Flight]

My question is when M$ is gonna start a rediculous Mac bashing add with some normal guy asking a scron why he is so alouf and why he sits at Starbucks with his Macbook and Ipod just so eveyone else can see?

My hatred for Mac grows with eveytime I see those stupid adds.

<Darth Voice On>I can feel your anger my young apprentice. Let the anger and the hatred flow through you. Then your journey to the dark side will be commplete! :D <Darth voice off>

hehe Sorry, I just had to do that. :)

[GAR]

LOL @ iTUNES, i never did like anything APPLE does, but i still fix em in my shop, hehe, money is money, and opinions are opinions.

[villa1n]

don't buy apple mobile products, done.

itunes is lame anyway

get a zune

lol funny thing is I have a zune, first gen even although that batt life sucks compared to the second. Itunes is so spyware buggy, i ve never liked it, resource heavy, installing things you dont want. I use quicktime alternative, and just avoid itunes all together, though i suppose it would work on my osx partition, if i ever booted into it. heh.

[UZ7]

odd.. i was using 7.7 and xp and it was crap for me, updated to 8.0 and works fine... i think ill leave it as it is, it was my mistake for updating to 7.7 when everything was working fine heh

but yeah i only use itunes cause i have an ipod nano for when i work out.. i usually use my zune and hook that up to my car :P

[thephenom]

Damn Apple, glad I didn't select the update last night. Pretty pissed off at them actually. I bought a new ipod touch hoping to replace my 4G ipod. And they took out the MOST useful function from the ipod, the ability to play music as your alarm. (Obviously you need to hook it up to a speaker to play)

[HotGore]

Running it now on Vista 64-bit. Works fine and genius is cool, but if it bases it suggestions on what others listen to then people have poor tastes.

[Xenogias]

How does stuff like this get past QC? The state of the software industry is sad indeed if a big company like Apple can't catch this stuff before it gets released.

[Final8ty]

I wonder how many people will blame Vista for the crashes, must be part of the plan.

Likewise! how the hell could such a bug as big as that get through unless it was intended.

[Kingcarcas]

My cousin installed 7 on one of our PCs and i agree it is a resource hog and it would crash all the time. I told her to use winamp or just not to use that damn ipod on our family PC:rofl: As for me, Sandisk Sansa Fuze + Mediamonkey FTW! Down with creative as well :down:

[Chruschef]

Oh lawdy apple :(

We know you hate PC's, but seriously stop :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing.
I love my iPhone 3G, and laptop.. But seriously.. Apple.. STOP :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ING!

their add campaign is starting to go to far, and i favor apple OS, I'm an apple fanboii.

[Karolis]

MGTEK dopisp, possibly one of the best plugins for wmp11 out there. No faffing about, just plug in ipod, copy/delete/sync and you're good to go.
One thing that always irritated me about itunes was just how bloated it was for what it did. Services, background updaters, quicktime, bonjour, the list of rubbish goes on and on.

I never knew about this plug-in. I'm finally free from iTunes! :yepp: On my "uber-fast" PC iTunes is slow as hell and more of that additional rubish with each new version of iTunes just drives me crazy.

[tiro_uspsss]

I have dealt with itunes only a few times (helping friends use it on their PCs) - & I must say it was *incredibily* painful! :mad:

[RaZz!]

btw, why always ipod vs. zune. there are plenty of other good players out there. meizu miniplayer m6 ftw!

[Perp]

I've yet to see anyone at work install itunes (any version) on thier PCs without running into problems with it.

Though ipods are slick; it's stuff like this that has always kept me from buying one.

[Jamesrt2004]

been working fine for me on x86 and x64 with a 3G nano!

meh people are unlucky I guess

[Anavel0]

Wow I love how many people just instantly go nuts and start screaming "Apple is terrible, I'll never use their products." As if Microsoft has never had issues. Seriously do you even thing before you speak? And the few that have had this issue are somehow out weighing the millions that didn't have any issues. Not to mention that it is a Macintosh product running on a Microsoft OS, you think that crap is going to run flawlessly?

iTunes 8 running perfect on my Windows machine and my Mac.

[Macadamia]

Wow I love how many people just instantly go nuts and start screaming "Apple is terrible, I'll never use their products." As if Microsoft has never had issues. Seriously do you even thing before you speak? And the few that have had this issue are somehow out weighing the millions that didn't have any issues. Not to mention that it is a Macintosh product running on a Microsoft OS, you think that crap is going to run flawlessly?

iTunes 8 running perfect on my Windows machine and my Mac.

iTunes has ALWAYS worked like stuttery **** on Vista 64. You can barely do anything without feeling lagged.

You know how fluid Zune v2.5 is with hardware acceleration on? It's bat**** insane. The whole interface is so responsive and fluid that it makes iTunes look so 80's.

Apple is just purposely doing shabby coding to coax people to buy Macs, of which they code shabbily too- see Leopard.

[Donnie27]

I'm using 7.7 on WinXP and on Win Vista 64bit. Itunes runs nicely on both OS's for me. I stopped being a Geek who follows that old saying "If it ain't broke, tweak it until it is":lol: Why would I update if 7.7 works. I only used it for my Wife's 8GB iPhone, converted Music to MPEG4 and she's stores about 200 songs and a maybe a 2GB's of Photos. It would did updated through Vista 64 for me. Yet, I'm still trying to clean out and up crap I don't want or need.

Sorry, the Creative software works for me as well:up: I like a lot of them though Audacity, WinAMP, Foobar and a couple of others to keep me from getting board.

[BlazingArrow]

http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/09/11/217236.shtml

I downloaded itunes 8 yesterday, and plugged in my iphone and had it updated with no issues.

[inCore]

1. Mac vs PC advertising videos showing Mac being better than PC is bad sportsmanship and generally a douchy thing to do. As a reaction to this, people think and preach that Apple is cool and the ultimate trend accessory.

2. I can't get a Zune because every single useful product has "ipod support" but not Zune support. Take any car radio for example, all of them are ipod friendly but the second you plug in anything else it falls of the compatability list. Or speakers with an ipod dock. Or, or or or.

3. Whoever said that they have a Mac but removed OSX because they liked the hardware but not the OS amused me. Thanks.

[Papu]

bsods on my desktop , bsods on my laptop , Fu apple , fu and your stupid updates breaking things that works

to steve:: please get your Coders to piss up a rope , and stop releasing updates before their fully tested
it should be called Itunes 8 alpha .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000001

[MrMojoZ]

If my user base didn't care if the software worked or not I wouldn't put too much effort into coding either. Apple fans have super short memories when it comes to Apple screwing up.

[XSAlliN]

I bet that was done intentionally. :P

[trans am]

using x64 vista and no problems with itunes 8 and my nano.

Maybe the others with problems are overclocked too high?

[rado992]

Like,yeah, Apple iTunes doesn't support overclocking on Vista. :D (that simply won't happen, noone will ever bother to do it) For some bizzare reason (http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2280) I believe Apple already fixed the problem. ;) Let's hope so, as I just decided to try the fix'd installation on Vista x64. :rolleyes:

[XS2K]

My question is when M$ is gonna start a rediculous Mac bashing add with some normal guy asking a scron why he is so alouf and why he sits at Starbucks with his Macbook and Ipod just so eveyone else can see?

My hatred for Mac grows with eveytime I see those stupid adds.

Not realy a anti-mac commercial but a PC one by Bill Gates and Seinfeld here (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/264520.html?playlist=featured)

[villa1n]

Not realy a anti-mac commercial but a PC one by Bill Gates and Seinfeld here (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/264520.html?playlist=featured)

both here in high res (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/default.aspx?icid=winvan)

LOL, seriously i would watch the sitcom, and bill has enough money to make it, and put it on everychannel.

[Nasgul]

btw, why always ipod vs. zune. there are plenty of other good players out there. meizu miniplayer m6 ftw!

iPod is perhaps the most sold music playing gadget here in the U.S., that's why. As for Zune? Not sure how many people I have seen that own one.

I go every weekend to ride my bike and perhaps every single runner, cyclist, everybody that I see there, is listening through an iPod, I can recognize those ugly headphones from a mile away. I use BOSE, 10K times better sound than the iPod headphones.

That's why iPods are so popular here in the U.S., sorry but never heard of meizu before, this is the first time ever.

[XS2K]

Cowon D2 is also very nice.

[Kingcarcas]

anythingbutipod.com to compare players :up:

Sorry, the Creative software works for me as well:up: I like a lot of them though Audacity, WinAMP, Foobar and a couple of others to keep me from getting board.
Creative media explorer works for you in Vista? :shocked:

[RejZoR]

iTunes 8 is a slow fat cow. It takes almost more than 1 second just for it to register multimedia keyboard buttons. So when i hit pause it takes more than a second delay for pause to actually take effect. Even C64 responded faster to any kind of user input lmao. Besides it doesn't offer anything better than my trusty fast WinAMP 5.

[railhan]

I wonder how many people will blame Vista for the crashes, must be part of the plan.

Errr :rolleyes:... I'll take the risk of being called an Apple fan and toss my 5 eurocents here.

I wouldn't be surprised by these news if we were talking about Windows 98 here. ITunes is not the first buggy app. There were (very) buggy apps in the old days, there is buggy software now and will be in future but isn't a mature OS like Vista(or at least MS claims that it is) supposed to protect itself and the other running processes in such cases.

If ITunes was not running or crashing we could blame Apple but the honours for the BSOD should be sent to MS.

P.S. ... btw ... I don't own any Apple products :D !

[FischOderAal]

iTunes 8 is a slow fat cow. It takes almost more than 1 second just for it to register multimedia keyboard buttons. So when i hit pause it takes more than a second delay for pause to actually take effect. Even C64 responded faster to any kind of user input lmao. Besides it doesn't offer anything better than my trusty fast WinAMP 5.

You should try foobar2k ;) Imho the good times of Winamp are over.
http://dl-client.getdropbox.com/u/81348/foobar.jpg

The only place I use iTunes is on my mac, as there isn't really an alternative. I haven't expierienced such a delay up to now. If there'd be a foobar for OS-X I'd switch. I like it small and simple.

Podcasts rock though :/

[insurgent]

Errr :rolleyes:... I'll take the risk of being called an Apple fan and toss my 5 eurocents here.

I wouldn't be surprised by these news if we were talking about Windows 98 here. ITunes is not the first buggy app. There were (very) buggy apps in the old days, there is buggy software now and will be in future but isn't a mature OS like Vista(or at least MS claims that it is) supposed to protect itself and the other running processes in such cases.

If ITunes was not running or crashing we could blame Apple but the honours for the BSOD should be sent to MS.

P.S. ... btw ... I don't own any Apple products :D !

It was more an amusing idea I had and I wasn't serious, but either way a bug this serious should've been caught before release IMO.

About BSODs, the only time I get BSODs in Vista is when I overclocked too much, crashing programs have never resulted in BSODs for me, so I guess apple really is special :D

[Final8ty]

It was more an amusing idea I had and I wasn't serious, but either way a bug this serious should've been caught before release IMO.

About BSODs, the only time I get BSODs in Vista is when I overclocked too much, crashing programs have never resulted in BSODs for me, so I guess apple really is special :D

One version of a Creative X-fi drivers was able to BSOD Vista on exiting some games every time with out fail.

[Final8ty]

Errr :rolleyes:... I'll take the risk of being called an Apple fan and toss my 5 eurocents here.

I wouldn't be surprised by these news if we were talking about Windows 98 here. ITunes is not the first buggy app. There were (very) buggy apps in the old days, there is buggy software now and will be in future but isn't a mature OS like Vista(or at least MS claims that it is) supposed to protect itself and the other running processes in such cases.

If ITunes was not running or crashing we could blame Apple but the honours for the BSOD should be sent to MS.

P.S. ... btw ... I don't own any Apple products :D !

Noting is infallible, vista catches most things & saying that vista must catch everything is like saying vista must know every possible likelihood of bad code & every possible mistake a coder can make.

[inCore]

both here in high res (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/default.aspx?icid=winvan)

LOL, seriously i would watch the sitcom, and bill has enough money to make it, and put it on everychannel.

That's so genious.

[NickS]

I'm fine here...

http://upload.nickfire.com//files/1/finehere.jpg

[Monkeywoman]

fine here too with my ipod touch 16gb. anyone try that new Genius feature? its :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing awesome! i chose Drones by Rise Against and it took 25 songs form my library that sounded had the same tones and "pace" . Very cool feature for Gap-less play back or for a party, almost as good as a Dj!

[NickS]

Really? I haven't tried it yet but the 2.1 update for my iPhone that came out yesterday includes it, as does iTunes 8. I may have to give it a shot :D

[rogueagent6]

Errr :rolleyes:... I'll take the risk of being called an Apple fan and toss my 5 eurocents here.

I wouldn't be surprised by these news if we were talking about Windows 98 here. ITunes is not the first buggy app. There were (very) buggy apps in the old days, there is buggy software now and will be in future but isn't a mature OS like Vista(or at least MS claims that it is) supposed to protect itself and the other running processes in such cases.

If ITunes was not running or crashing we could blame Apple but the honours for the BSOD should be sent to MS.

P.S. ... btw ... I don't own any Apple products :D !

It's not itunes, it's the buggy driver that apple update loads onto the user's system without the user's consent.

So in this case, apple is entirely to blame.

[Tibu]

NickS:

Might wanna consider blurring out you phone number dude...

[Papu]

If ITunes was not running or crashing we could blame Apple but the honours for the BSOD should be sent to MS.


actually no , thats like blaming the car for crashing into the tree instead of the driver , the os is tha car , and itunes the driver , drove off the road , through the ditch , and into a large tree

the fact that they are pushing Mobile Me , safari , quicktime , along with itunes is a Fraking joke....

[Monkeywoman]

NickS:

Might wanna consider blurring out you phone number dude...

LAWL, that's funny:rofl::ROTF::ROTF:

[NickS]

NickS:

Might wanna consider blurring out you phone number dude...

Ohhh damn didn't even catch that haha, nice one. It's kind of weird that iTunes displays it anyway.

EDIT: If I start getting random texts at 1AM I'll know its you basts :rofl:

[Donnie27]

anythingbutipod.com to compare players :up:

Creative media explorer works for you in Vista? :shocked:

Creative Media Player does:up: And so does the recorder, wave converter and others. I installed iTunes 8 and have no problems with it at all! Its bloat sucks. Using Crap to get rid of some of it;)

[hstuehmeyer2000]

Ohhh damn didn't even catch that haha, nice one. It's kind of weird that iTunes displays it anyway.

EDIT: If I start getting random texts at 1AM I'll know its you basts :rofl:

I would blur out your last name in the devices category to,lol.

[crackhead2k]

Many Ipod users do not realize there are many better alternatives:rolleyes:
iphone vs docomo/softbank etc...
ipods vs samsung/cowan etc...

Copying mp3 onto the player without the software is the fastest way :yepp:
Apple is just waaaaaayyyy to overated especially the iphone. There are so many other phones that look better and have specs that exceed it.;)

[reberto]

iTunes 8/Vista X64 Ultimate/80GB iPod Classic here, everything works. Not a single BSOD (well there was one but that one wasn't iTunes related, I was just being stupid).