Mitsubishi's laser TV goes on sale

[[XC] Hicks121]

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39233/97/

Pretty sweet! But the price.....yak

Chicago (IL) – Mitsubishi’s LaserVue LCD, according to the company the world’s first laser-powered TV, will be on store shelves at the end of this month and will sell in its 65” version for pretty much what the company promised – the price of an average 65” LCD TV. It is not cheap, but it may one of most technologically advanced televisions on the market many enthusiasts can afford.


The manufacturer claims that the LaserVue TVs offer about twice the color range of non-laser-powered LCD TVs. The 120 Hz LaserVues are promised to provide a brightness of 500 nits, 3D viewing capability and consume less than 200 watts, which would actually be only half of some other 65” LCD TVs. 65” plasma TVs can consume more than 500 watts.

[WhiteFireDragon]

pretty neat. any science behind how this laser tv works as opposed to LCD or plasma?

[tekjunkie]

pretty neat. any science behind how this laser tv works as opposed to LCD or plasma?

It's a DLP based technology. If you read the comments section you would see that and it's on cnet too.

[ryboto]

In addition to the power and color characteristics, I thought these were also supposed to be the same or less expensive than LCD? Or at least that was what they claimed 2 years ago.

[r4gm4n]

So OLED and Laser are gonna be the new: LCD vs Plasma war?
In that case OLED wins for me :D

[initialised]

http://laservuetv.com/

IIRC (from an IET magazine) it is best thought of as a DLP rear projection screen with a frickin' "LASER"

[turbox997]

pretty neat. any science behind how this laser tv works as opposed to LCD or plasma?


Like Tekjunkie was saying, it's kind of like DLP, except, instead of a spinning color wheel that has a replaceable lamp shine through it, it has 3 lasers(3 primary colors) shine on a focal spot more or less to produce the images.

This TV is a big step from traditional DLP's because you don't have to worry about replacing the lamp(in theory, the lasers should last as long as the life of the TV), and of course all the other improvements in viewing and picture quality.

Although Samsung recently released a DLP that uses an LED lamp(lasts a lot longer than the traditional lamp, and has brighter views), it still relies on a rather delicate, high rpm, color wheel.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

it is best thought of as sharks with figgen laser beams on their heads!!!!!

FIXED:D

[Cooper]

What's the refresh rate for laser TVs ?

[Malcontent]

Awesome tv but we need more specs other than that monster price tag

[[XC] Lead Head]

As other said, it works like DLP, but instead of a relatively yellow light and a color wheel, there are 3 "DLP" Chips, and a red, green or a blue laser shines at each one. The thing that makes lasers so much better is that lasers only emit one wavelength of a certain color. While LCDs, LEDs and Plasmas can emit quite a few different wavelengths (or shades ) of color for any given color. Think higher then CRT color accuracy and contrast.

[initialised]

What's the refresh rate for laser TVs ?specs say 120Hz

[Scubar]

I want a shark with a laser on its head. Then i will rule the world ( well atleast the local swimming pool anyway )

[DeltZ]

bet a fair proportion of the cost comes from the DPSS laser's rare earth crystals needed for the lasers.

[twilyth]

Lead Head;3277056']As other said, it works like DLP, but instead of a relatively yellow light and a color wheel, there are 3 "DLP" Chips, and a red, green or a blue laser shines at each one. The thing that makes lasers so much better is that lasers only emit one wavelength of a certain color. While LCDs, LEDs and Plasmas can emit quite a few different wavelengths (or shades ) of color for any given color. Think higher then CRT color accuracy and contrast.

Thanks for the explanation. 3 DLP chips and perfect color mixing and 120hz and 3D - I hope they make something smaller than 65", the most I can handle is 55".

[shiznit93]

Initially they had announced a 50'' model but it appears to have been cancelled, i guess the didn't see much of a market for it considering you can get a 50'' lcd/plasma for $1200ish. Too bad, I would have bought it, this seems like the perfect TV tech until OLED/FED are ready.

[`danny]

I want a shark with a laser on its head. Then i will rule the world ( well atleast the local swimming pool anyway )

+1 lol

[XS2K]

Since it is a new technology and the numbers produced are low the price seems reasonable,at that screen size a good LCD/Plasma of that size cand get you to 4000$-7000+$ and if what the critics say about this TV is true than for a AV fan the extra money are worth it.
Price wise here is the latest Plasma series from Panasonic (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=65%22+plasma&cid=18412906395173400369#ps-sellers) as you can see it cost's 7000+$.

[Kingcarcas]

Seems too expensive, might prefer the 61'' Sammy LED.

[BulldogPO]

OLED is'nt going to win anythin as their colors wear out very fast.
I'm propably going to wait AMOLED panels and then get 50-55" model to replace current 42".
BTW, Are they going to make laser projectors also?

[eXa]

since its a projector in that TV... yes they are going to make laser projectors.

[revenant]

I wonder if they are ill tempered?? ;)

[Cold Fussion]

What's the refresh rate for laser TVs ?

Please learn to read. It will be 120-100 hz depending on ntsc or pal.

[STEvil]

If someone watched jaws on it you could say its a laser emitting a frickin' shark....


haha.

Especially if it was in 3D!!!!

[Soulburner]

Like Tekjunkie was saying, it's kind of like DLP, except, instead of a spinning color wheel that has a replaceable lamp shine through it, it has 3 lasers(3 primary colors) shine on a focal spot more or less to produce the images.

This TV is a big step from traditional DLP's because you don't have to worry about replacing the lamp(in theory, the lasers should last as long as the life of the TV), and of course all the other improvements in viewing and picture quality.

Although Samsung recently released a DLP that uses an LED lamp(lasts a lot longer than the traditional lamp, and has brighter views), it still relies on a rather delicate, high rpm, color wheel.
Incorrect, Samsung's LED DLP units do not use a color wheel. Until these laser units see mass production from competition, the LED DLPs are currently the best since Sony has exited the market...they had the best IQ though, with Samsung very close.

[initialised]

bet a fair proportion of the cost comes from the DPSS laser's rare earth crystals needed for the lasers.Nah, it's the three MEMS DLP mirror units that costs. I want to know how the do 3D.

[[XC] Lead Head]

Nah, it's the three MEMS DLP mirror units that costs. I want to know how the do 3D.

Actually hes right, blue DPSS lasers are ungodly expensive. Green is getting cheaper, and red is ultra cheap since it doesn't need any fancy crystal

[ak_47_boy]

It is 3 chip DLP with a laser light engine.

[XS2K]

Lead Head;3280014']Actually hes right, blue DPSS lasers are ungodly expensive. Green is getting cheaper, and red is ultra cheap since it doesn't need any fancy crystal

They are using frequency doubling for the green and blue wavelenghts.

[BlazingArrow]

$7000 is nothing compared to the $185,000 sharp TV!!

[Aberration]

They are using frequency doubling for the green and blue wavelenghts.

By what means? ;)

All DPSS use frequency multiplication by method of expensive crystals. I am not aware of any other method.

I wonder what the mW rating of the lasers are, and how long they are expected to last.

[XS2K]

By what means? ;)

All DPSS use frequency multiplication by method of expensive crystals. I am not aware of any other method.

As you already know Green and Blue lasers are very expensive and not that accesible to sustain a mass production so Mitsubishi had to find other means to achive their goal (let's just say if they used crystal based Green and Blue lasers the 7000$ price tag would seem low and the money invested wouldn't be recovered since a 200mw blue laser diode is 2200$ and a 400mw green ~1200$ vs a 500mw red one which is ~350$)So by I dunno exactly what means (I think VCSEL) they achived a product which is reasonably priced against same size competition,also a remnant of their method is the fact that the green and blue aren't as strong as the red since the efficiency isn't that good.
What I am saying may be a piss in the wind but from what I gathered that's what I understand and makes sense from a economic point of view atleast.

LE:The life expectancy is ~50.000 hours from what I read on AVS Forum

[[XC] Lead Head]

As you already know Green and Blue lasers are very expensive and not that accesible to sustain a mass production so Mitsubishi had to find other means to achive their goal (let's just say if they used crystal based Green and Blue lasers the 7000$ price tag would seem low and the money invested wouldn't be recovered since a 200mw blue laser diode is 2200$ and a 400mw green ~1200$ vs a 500mw red one which is ~350$)So by I dunno exactly what means (I think VCSEL) they achived a product which is reasonably priced against same size competition,also a remnant of their method is the fact that the green and blue aren't as strong as the red since the efficiency isn't that good.
What I am saying may be a piss in the wind but from what I gathered that's what I understand and makes sense from a economic point of view atleast.

LE:The life expectancy is ~50.000 hours from what I read on AVS Forum
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Your post is filled with wrongs. 200mw of blue is the same as 200mw of green and red. There is no such things as blue and green laser diodes. Blue and green use infrared diodes shining into a crystal. You are looking at professional grade lab lasers at retail price. Your prices are also way off. A 500mw red laser will only run $150-250 retail/ebay, a 400mw green maybe $600-800 and a 200mw blue for about $1200 if you look in the right places. Now Mitsubishi is definitely not paying retail prices for these lasers, much, much much less. Put it this way, those $300-500 processors Intel and AMD have, only cost maybe $3-8 a chip to make. Maybe even less then that

[STEvil]

Numbers for the P4 and A64 was ~$22 per chip to produce.

[XS2K]

Lead Head;3282496'].
Your post is filled with wrongs. 200mw of blue is the same as 200mw of green and red. There is no such things as blue and green laser diodes. Blue and green use infrared diodes shining into a crystal. You are looking at professional grade lab lasers at retail price. Your prices are also way off. A 500mw red laser will only run $150-250 retail/ebay, a 400mw green maybe $600-800 and a 200mw blue for about $1200 if you look in the right places. Now Mitsubishi is definitely not paying retail prices for these lasers, much, much much less. Put it this way, those $300-500 processors Intel and AMD have, only cost maybe $3-8 a chip to make. Maybe even less then that

Sry I used diode incorrectly,it was a module which I saw @ 2200$ on this (http://www.dragonlasers.com/catalog/index.html) site.
And yeah I know that they aren't using those modules or paying those prices and I used it as a example showing the price diffrence between types.
I didn't stated that 200mw of green laser is diffrent than 200mw of red laser,just that the prices are diffrent according type and that you could buy for much less a higher output red laser than a blue or green one.

[metachronos]

Any actual reviews up yet?

[Aberration]

Lasers are freaking cool.

Especially when they are mounted to sharks.

I 'play' with ~40W UV lasers.

[masterg]

that price seems fair, when the Pioneer Elite Kuro 60" (king of the plasmas) came out it was priced at $15,000. its down to $6,500 now or something

[Loque]

is this similar to what China used to display their fireworks at the Olympics :p ?

[Kingcarcas]

that price seems fair, when the Pioneer Elite Kuro 60" (king of the plasmas) came out it was priced at $15,000. its down to $6,500 now or something
You can get it much cheaper online :up: