NEC LCD24WMGX3 24" Gaming Monitor

[Roch]

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee12/markrochester/LCD24WMGX3-MonitorViewBackBlack.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee12/markrochester/LCD24WMGX3-MonitorViewFrontalBlack.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee12/markrochester/LCD24WMGX3-MonitorViewLeftBlack.jpg

Link to product pdf
(http://www.nec-display-solutions.co.uk/c/download/394726/ProductOverviewEdition3.pdf)

I was a great fan of the previous 20" GX2, so fingers crossed with this one.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Gaming monitor and 60Hz are something that don't cope well for me, no thanks I rather wait for the 120Hz ViewSonic LCD. :)

[Gramner]

I was a great fan of the previous 20" GX2, so fingers crossed with this one.

The 20WGX2 was S-IPS though, this one is MVA. S-IPS is far superior.

[003]

Gaming monitor and 60Hz are something that don't cope well for me, no thanks I rather wait for the 120Hz ViewSonic LCD. :) The Viewsonic monitor will not operate at 120Hz. I can't provide any sources, so you will have to wait until it is released to find out if you don't believe me, unfortunately. The 20WGX2 was S-IPS though, this one is MVA. S-IPS is far superior. Yup, IPS based panels own. I love my NEC LCD2490WUXiSV and its H-IPS panel (successor to S-IPS).

[Stanley Pain]

The Viewsonic monitor will not operate at 120Hz. I can't provide any sources, so you will have to wait until it is released to find out if you don't believe me, unfortunately. Yup, IPS based panels own. I love my NEC LCD2490WUXiSV and its H-IPS panel (successor to S-IPS).


Hey what's up NEC 2x90 buddy. I'm rocking out with a 2690WUXi. Best LCD I've ever used.

[Sumanji]

Are NEC panels substantially better than Dells (2408WFP etc.). I want a 24" wide and a 20" standard for my next rig, and I'm a bit dazzled by the number of options out there!

Hmm, the LCD2490WUXiSV is no longer on their model sheet :(

[RPGWiZaRD]

The Viewsonic monitor will not operate at 120Hz. I can't provide any sources, so you will have to wait until it is released to find out if you don't believe me, unfortunately.

You're a ViewSonic rep or something? If you cannot prove it then it's best to not mention it either. If it isn't 120Hz then it would be funny to pick up one and sue ViewSonic for false advertising. :p:

[Scubar]

The viewsonic 120Hz is only going to be 1680x1050 so that will be rubbish anyway at a medium res. Plus NEC make top quality panels and have some of the best available.

[BakerT]

Not bad but I think I will be going for the HP LP2475W

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

Either that or a Dell 2408 Rev. A01

[oohms]

A Hz rating only makes sense for a CRT or plasma...

[Stanley Pain]

A Hz rating only makes sense for a CRT or plasma...


That's only partially true.


Being capped at 60FPS is unacceptable for some, and if you've seen a True 120Hz LCD display you'd notice a significant different when playing movies and whatnot.

[Blacky]

looks nice, NEC makes awsome products some are kinda expensive tho.

[oohms]

Being capped at 60FPS is unacceptable for some, and if you've seen a True 120Hz LCD display you'd notice a significant different when playing movies and whatnot.

Maybe because they use a better panel...

most movies are between 25 and 30 fps anyways

[WangChung]

I still have and use my NEC 22" CRT. 2048x1536 @ 85Hz is nothing to sneeze at. I generally run it at 1600x1200 @ 100Hz for my games and whatnot, looks very crisp and no tearing/blurring. I think once it conks out I'll go DLP or wait for SEDs to come out. I can't be convinced by LCDs. I always see the blur.

[Stanley Pain]

Maybe because they use a better panel...

most movies are between 25 and 30 fps anyways


I know, what they usually end up doing is combing (or doubling) the frames. It's sounds kind of hokey but actually produces a very nice image.


When I first played around with the 120Hz setting on my Samnsung everything felt like it was "sped up" compared to normal operation. Now I can't watch anything on a non 120Hz screen.

[RaZz!]

A Hz rating only makes sense for a CRT or plasma...

no, please no! not another "60hz/fps is more than enough"-discussion :rolleyes:

[deathman20]

no, please no! not another "60hz/fps is more than enough"-discussion :rolleyes:

Well now you brought it up... and surely its going to be discussed more.

[shiznit93]

You're a ViewSonic rep or something? If you cannot prove it then it's best to not mention it either. If it isn't 120Hz then it would be funny to pick up one and sue ViewSonic for false advertising. :p:
120hz TVs don't operate at a true 120hz either, you don't see their makers getting sued. He is saying something most of us already know, the Viewsonic will be taking a 60hz signal and faking 120hz.

[Scubar]

Just like 120Hz Tvs do, Simply adds in its own middle frames to try and make the image motion look smoother in which it fails most of the time. Interlace = the suck. Thats why 99% of ppl on AV Forums dont bother mentioning it when recommending a TV.

[RPGWiZaRD]

120hz TVs don't operate at a true 120hz either, you don't see their makers getting sued. He is saying something most of us already know, the Viewsonic will be taking a 60hz signal and faking 120hz.

Well I don't think it uses the interlacing method but a 120Hz signal thx to dual link dvi which has enough bandwidth for 1680x1050 @ 120Hz operation. No other 22" use dual-link dvi and why would they use it otherwise if not for 120Hz operation? The same trick as the HDTVs wouldn't serve any purpose on a computer LCD screen, so I doubt it's the same gimmick. I'll just wait and see but I would bet my money it's capable of using a 120Hz signal. Even if it's not a 120Hz signal I might still be interested in it if the result is good anyways.

Anyway this isn't the topic so we shouldn't even be discussing about ViewSonic. ^^

[natty]

so uh, what makes this a 'gaming' monitor ? :shrug:

[Red Evil]

low input lag hopefully

[Wade]

Was hoping for 1080p resolutions. Boo.

[Gramner]

Was hoping for 1080p resolutions. Boo.

It has 1920x1200 so it handles 1080p (1920x1080) just fine with some small black borders above and below the picture.

[adamsleath]

The Viewsonic monitor will not operate at 120Hz. I can't provide any sources
:ROTF:

MVA is alright...
if this panel is anything like the gx2 in terms of performance it will cost a bomb; even if it doesnt perform like the gx2 it will probably cost a bomb:lol: cos its a nec.

Viewsonic will be taking a 60hz signal and faking 120hz.
there is black frame insertion and also an interpolation method that ive heard of...there's probly info around on this if i could be bothered looking for it.......again.

i thought hd filming/source frames were/are 24 or 30 fps?...so hd video is already "faked" to 60 Hz?
* The number of frames per second or fields per second. The 720p60 format is 1280 × 720 pixels, progressive encoding with 60 frames per second (60 Hz). The 1080i50 format is 1920 × 1080 pixels, interlaced encoding with 50 fields per second. Sometimes interlaced fields are called half-frames, but they are not, because two fields of one frame are temporally shifted. Frame pulldown and segmented frames are special techniques that allow transmitting full frames by means of interlaced video stream.

For commercial naming of the product, either the frame rate or the field rate is dropped, e.g. a "1080i television set" label indicates only the image resolution.[1] Often, the rate is inferred from the context, usually assumed to be either 50 or 60, except for 1080p, which denotes 1080p24, 1080p25, and 1080p30, but also 1080p50 and 1080p60 in the future
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video

the response time of the liquid crystals and input lag are still key issues for a tft panel, as separate factors to the signalling electronics.

anyway its just a refresh rate...can you run a game at 120fps on a 60Hz monitor?
can you run a game at 45fps on a 60Hz monitor?

http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_9.html

and 60fps is supposed to be enough for an optimal 'viewing experience', with vsync enabled...or so im told.

[AndrewZorn]

It has 1920x1200 so it handles 1080p (1920x1080) just fine with some small black borders above and below the picture.
Now I don't know if who you were responding to was knowledgeable of this or not, but I wouldn't so quickly assume that it will process 1080p properly just because the resolution exceeds it.

I recently found this out when monitor shopping. Samsung 24" that I got from Best Buy only had options to 'Zoom' the picture and 'Stretch' it... no 1:1 display to play PS3 at 16:9 1080p. Which is apparently getting rarer... you think the manufacturers would add it to everything, seems stupid not to, it is NO scaling, should be EASIER...

Returned it for the HP w2408h.

[003]

Hmm, the LCD2490WUXiSV is no longer on their model sheet :(

It may be without the SV at the end, the SV just denotes that it comes with the SpectraView II calibration software and Gretag Macbeth colorimeter.

A more common name may simply be "LCD2490", or even just 2490.

[Sumanji]

Either way, there is no 24" Multisync 90 series model on that PDF :( There are only 21", 26" and 30" models in the 16:10 format...

[003]

Either way, there is no 24" Multisync 90 series model on that PDF :( There are only 21", 26" and 30" models in the 16:10 format...

Hmm, well here is the page on NEC's website:
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=fe2599c6-185f-4177-b12e-5bde0b8eeaae

[Dainas]

IPS, MVA.. I dun care(would rather the former of corse), as long as its not a TN. Now 120hz in every new 20-24" please?

[Bo_Fox]

Perhaps we just need a new display connection interface that completely replaces DVI.

A single link DVI only has enough bandwidth for 1600x1200 @ 60Hz, 32-bit color. By the way, how do 1920x1200 monitors do it @60Hz using only single-link DVI?!? A bit color reduction, perhaps?

It's so "anti-future-proof"! I do not see dual-link being enough for our increasing needs in the near-future. Bring on the new interface (and we dont want to be stuck with HDMI)!

I want something that has just as big of a leap as USB did from 1.1 to 2.0.

[eXa]

single link is 165Mhz (165million pixels per second)
1920x1200x60 is 138Mhz (ish)...

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

low input lag hopefully

you mean display lag, but yes hopefully its very low

[shiznit93]

you mean display lag, but yes hopefully its very low
input lag is input lag. different thing than response time.

[Bo_Fox]

single link is 165Mhz (165million pixels per second)
1920x1200x60 is 138Mhz (ish)...

Oh never mind, it's really done at only 24-bit color. That's the trick!

I have a feeling that we'll all be stuck to HDMI and its dreaded HDCP for the rest of our lives. :(

[RealTelstar]

24" are too few.

'nuff said.

[Xoulz]

Well I don't think it uses the interlacing method but a 120Hz signal thx to dual link dvi which has enough bandwidth for 1680x1050 @ 120Hz operation. No other 22" use dual-link dvi and why would they use it otherwise if not for 120Hz operation? The same trick as the HDTVs wouldn't serve any purpose on a computer LCD screen, so I doubt it's the same gimmick. I'll just wait and see but I would bet my money it's capable of using a 120Hz signal. Even if it's not a 120Hz signal I might still be interested in it if the result is good anyways.

Anyway this isn't the topic so we shouldn't even be discussing about ViewSonic. ^^

:rolleyes:
It is not a 120mhz SIGNAL, the panel operates at 120mhz internally. It just updates whatever it has twice as much, unfortunately, the video cards output is 60mhz, so you really don't gain any additional information, it is just smoother because of odd frames, etc.

BTW, a 24" monitor is too small for 19x10, it offers no larger text than a 21/22" monitor, just more realestate. Since most websites are handcapped by the old 1024x760 legacy, it looks so tiny at high rez.

27" ftw!



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[Think]

http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=7415735&srccode=cii_9324560&cpncode=18-13306442-2

HIP NEC 24" guys

Theres two flavors of this monitor , the SV has also a manual calibration as well - looks like a mouse attachment:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001591%2040000020%201309821328%204023&name=%241000%20-%20%241250&SpeTabStoreType=0

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=7415735&srccode=cii_9324560&cpncode=18-13306442-2

HIP NEC 24" guys

Theres two flavors of this monitor , the SV has also a manual calibration as well - looks like a mouse attachment:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001591%2040000020%201309821328%204023&name=%241000%20-%20%241250&SpeTabStoreType=0

thats not the monitor from OP, its the professional image editing monitor, its been out for a while.... its not good for gaming

the sv version comes with a gretag macbeth eyeone v2 calibrator, its not a mouse lol

[Stanley Pain]

thats not the monitor from OP, its the professional image editing monitor, its been out for a while.... its not good for gaming

the sv version comes with a gretag macbeth eyeone v2 calibrator, its not a mouse lol


Not good for gaming hahah, have you actually used it? Works perfectly well here.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Not good for gaming hahah, have you actually used it? Works perfectly well here.

I have 2 of its 26" brethren in the professional photo studio in my house,


I also know is has 22ms display lag minimum and an average of 33 ms delay, this makes it one of the WORST displays for gaming ever released. It is not meant for gaming whatsoever.

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=48&mo1=304&p1=2943&ma2=52&mo2=149&p2=1606&ph=1

^^^ go to delay compared to CRT chart

[Stanley Pain]

I have 2 of its 26" brethren in the professional photo studio in my house,


I also know is has 22ms display lag minimum and an average of 33 ms delay, this makes it one of the WORST displays for gaming ever released. It is not meant for gaming whatsoever.

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=48&mo1=304&p1=2943&ma2=52&mo2=149&p2=1606&ph=1

^^^ go to delay compared to CRT chart


Yeah I have 3 of the 26inchers as well. My wife uses two of them. I've been using it for gaming since they came out and don't notice a difference between it and my oldder 22" Dell. :shrug:

Worst? Hardly, there are screens with lower input/output/whatever you want to call it lag that perform worse in real life situations. It's certainly not the best, but definitely average.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Yeah I have 3 of the 26inchers as well. My wife uses two of them. I've been using it for gaming since they came out and don't notice a difference between it and my oldder 22" Dell. :shrug:

Worst? Hardly, there are screens with lower input/output/whatever you want to call it lag that perform worse in real life situations. It's certainly not the best, but definitely average.

I just switched from an older dell 24" which I thought was fine for gaming only to discover that my new 248fpw has made me about 50 times better at awping in cs:s. I just got picked up by a cal-im team as a starter when before i could barely shoot fish in a barrel. turns out I always had the skill, but my display was holding me back significantly.

I guess its all relative, if you are a casual gamer then it doesn't really matter, but a competitive player can have nothing to do with display lag.

[Stanley Pain]

I just switched from an older dell 24" which I thought was fine for gaming only to discover that my new 248fpw has made me about 50 times better at awping in cs:s. I just got picked up by a cal-im team as a starter when before i could barely shoot fish in a barrel. turns out I always had the skill, but my display was holding me back significantly.

I guess its all relative, if you are a casual gamer then it doesn't really matter, but a competitive player can have nothing to do with display lag.


I know what you mean, but I find the lag actually helps me. Makes it feel like I can see several ms into the future. Did you know your brain actually processess what your eyes see several ms late?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I know what you mean, but I find the lag actually helps me. Makes it feel like I can see several ms into the future. Did you know your brain actually processess what your eyes see several ms late?

yeah but if you add the delay from your brain + display lag + slight input lag + online latency = you've got a problem

[Think]

thats not the monitor from OP, its the professional image editing monitor, its been out for a while.... its not good for gaming

the sv version comes with a gretag macbeth eyeone v2 calibrator, its not a mouse lol

Yeah, I know it's not the original monitor. Wow, sad to hear the lag problems.

Guess I'll keep on hunting for a good gaming H-ISP monitor...anyone but Dell of coarse.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Yeah, I know it's not the original monitor. Wow, sad to hear the lag problems.

Guess I'll keep on hunting for a good gaming H-ISP monitor...anyone but Dell of coarse.

from looking at the reviews on that site I dont think "good gaming" "H-IPS" fit in the same sentence.

[Think]

Well I have the s-ips 20" nec monitor and it's ok but looking to move over to the 24" realm...I suppose we are getting off topic:)

[adamsleath]

It is not a 120mhz SIGNAL, the panel operates at 120mhz internally. It just updates whatever it has twice as much, unfortunately, the video cards output is 60mhz, so you really don't gain any additional information, it is just smoother because of odd frames, etc

have you seen a 120Hz screen? im sure there is debate over whether current 120Hz hd screens (or 100Hz ones) have better video quality than a 60Hz screen....and which manufacturer has a better one, yada.yada

example:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/review/2007/10/27/Samsung-LE46F86BD-46in-LCD-TV/p1
And so to that dirt we mentioned. Really, this is pretty much limited to two things. First, while we generally like a lot of what the 100Hz engine does, it only really gets to grips with moving objects within a frame. If the entire frame moves, as with a camera pan, there's still a little judder in backgrounds, that if anything is slightly highlighted by the 100Hz-inspired smoothness of everything else.
:shrug:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/10/jvc_builds_180hz_lcd_that_make.html
180Hz ...:p:

[003]

from looking at the reviews on that site I dont think "good gaming" "H-IPS" fit in the same sentence.

Take a look at the LaCie 324 and 526.

BTW,
I have the 24" SV version of the NEC 2490, and it owns. And it does have an overdrive mode which can be enabled in the OSD, and it has this feature according to NEC:
Rapid Response™ technology with Rapid Motion™ and overdrive provides smooth, undistorted rendering of fast-moving video

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Take a look at the LaCie 324 and 526.

BTW,
I have the 24" SV version of the NEC 2490, and it owns. And it does have an overdrive mode which can be enabled in the OSD, and it has this feature according to NEC:

I doubt that removes display lag, just adds another buffer to the frames it displays.

Take a look at the LaCie 324 and 526.

... the lacie's are worse than the NECs, I'm talking about the review tab "Delay compared with CRT"

[Zaskar]

from looking at the reviews on that site I dont think "good gaming" "H-IPS" fit in the same sentence.

Dunno man, the HP LP2475w (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/382087-382087-64283-72270-444767-3648442.html) linked on the first page looks pretty awesome and at a good price.

Origonal link to the review that was posted: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

[adamsleath]

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/hp_lp2475w/input_lag2.jpg
what an informative pic.
The HP LP2475W performed pretty well in this test, with an average input lag of 25ms being recorded. The input lag ranged from 10 - 40ms but never got above or below this. The 25ms on average is pretty good and represents very little problem in practice, especially if you compare it to the results of other 24"+ models. It's not quite as good as the Samsung SM245B, Hazro HZ30W or Hazro HZ26Wi (all at 7.5ms average), but remains a long way ahead of some very popular 24" screens such as the Dell 2408WFP A00 (64.1ms) and Samsung SM245T (52.5ms).

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Dunno man, the HP LP2475w (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/382087-382087-64283-72270-444767-3648442.html) linked on the first page looks pretty awesome and at a good price.

Origonal link to the review that was posted: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

I don't think it has anything to do with the brand, I think that by nature h-ips panels have display lag that is no gonna go away. their good for image editing (their intended implementation) but not games...

[003]

Dunno man, the HP LP2475w (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/382087-382087-64283-72270-444767-3648442.html) linked on the first page looks pretty awesome and at a good price.

Origonal link to the review that was posted: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm

I believe that is an S-PVA display, not H-IPS.

[adamsleath]

I think that by nature h-ips panels have display lag that is no gonna go away. their good for image editing (their intended implementation) but not games...

...so, by that reasoning, any panel with 25ms lag or more is no good for games? :wasntme:

[Zaskar]

I believe that is an S-PVA display, not H-IPS.

HP has it listed as H-IPS on their UK site (they leave it out entirley on the US site) but the review said at close inspection it seemed to be laid out in the way S-IPS panels are.

[003]

Yeah it does appear to be H-IPS, if so its pretty darn good. But damn!! Is that Hazro HZ26Wi listed in the chart above IPS based?? It's got crazy low input lag!

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

...so, by that reasoning, any panel with 25ms lag or more is no good for games? :wasntme:

yeah pretty much, I know I wont ever use one with display lag like that

[Sumanji]

Jeez the input lag on the Dell 2408 is horrible! Any word if this is gonna be resolved in the A01 version?

[Think]

what are you using snipe dog?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

what are you using snipe dog?

dell 248 WFP or FPW or whatever..., it is like the 228 dell at the review site, Im sure

[Bo_Fox]

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/hp_lp2475w/input_lag2.jpg
what an informative pic.

Wow, what a great graph!
I still have the original 2405FPW. It's better than a 2407 in nearly everything, IMHO. That would be a long story if you wanted me to explain.. One thing I hate the most about this monitor is that it has like 55ms input delay. The viewing angles are horrible (not as bad as TN panels, though..). And the pixels are sparkling (literally glittering if you move your head around, which is the problem with nearly all of LCD's out there). Plus the 60Hz refresh sucks.

Anyway, to answer your ?:
...so, by that reasoning, any panel with 25ms lag or more is no good for games?
It depends on which game you're talking about. For most single-player games, a 65ms lag wouldn't be much of a problem. As long as the ghosting/response time is not too bad that there's too much of a "motion blur". If I'm playing a racing game, of course I'd prefer a faster panel with less of this input lag. For fast-paced games like online deathmatching (Quake3, UT3, etc..) input lag is the last thing you want in the world. That's what I use my beloved CRT for---zero lag!

[adamsleath]

well, im waiting for my crt to die. viva la crt!

but i want to see the performance on this 24" nec. hopefully it's a good panel; that dell 30" 3007 is the dogz ballz; the hazro ones probly good?
and samsung 245b with 7.5ms, despite it's TN averageness....

[XSAlliN]

It uses a A-MVA or P-MVA panel so it has decent color and decent viewing angles. I can assure you, there will be some ghosting on different color combination but not visible in most cases (let's say 80%). The biggest inconvenient about it: The price - at 900 Euros it's to expensive. HP LP2465 could be a better option and uses a S-PVA panel, or even Samsung 245T with same panel but more expensive compared to that HP. So yeah, compared to TN angles it's better but 2x if not 3x the price (some got cheaper by now).

[MaxxxRacer]

The 20WGX2 was S-IPS though, this one is MVA. S-IPS is far superior.

I would not go so far as to say IPS is "far superior" to MVA. The difference between MVA and IPS based panels is minimal at best. Unless you are comparing the two side by side you would never know the difference. This is coming from a person who did about a years worth of research before purchasing my LCD.

That said, IPS and MVA are definetly "far superior" to TN and no one can refute that.

As far as 60hz and 120Hz, the real world examples I have seen dont bode well. My dad has a 120hz Mitsu LCD TV and it sucks ballz. The static picture is great, but when something moves it looks totaly retarded and makes everything look like a Soap Opera. Its very bizarre, but true. I dont know if all 120Hz LCD's are like that, but if they are then its pointless.

[Shalamay]

Anyone know about when this monitor will be out? I found an european site for pre-order and it estimates stock on 9-18-08, just wondering if that will be here in the states too. I'm really trying hard not to buy the lenovo L220x, just not a lot of reviews on it and not sure if it will be to my standard for gaming, but I can't fit a 24" (although for the right monitor, I can get out the tools and go to town). I would like to see this one though before I buy my next monitor.

[Sumanji]

I need a 24" wide for a main screen (gaming, so input lag etc matter), and a 20" 4:3 as a side display. Need to have slim bezels and good height adjustment etc.

What panels would you guys recommend?

Cheers,

Suman

[DragoonXX]

I'm also looking for an LCD, 20-22", looking for good quality, low input lag would be nice, non TN would be fantastic
any recommendations?

[eXa]

I would not go so far as to say IPS is "far superior" to MVA. The difference between MVA and IPS based panels is minimal at best. Unless you are comparing the two side by side you would never know the difference. This is coming from a person who did about a years worth of research before purchasing my LCD.

That said, IPS and MVA are definetly "far superior" to TN and no one can refute that.

As far as 60hz and 120Hz, the real world examples I have seen dont bode well. My dad has a 120hz Mitsu LCD TV and it sucks ballz. The static picture is great, but when something moves it looks totaly retarded and makes everything look like a Soap Opera. Its very bizarre, but true. I dont know if all 120Hz LCD's are like that, but if they are then its pointless.

i dont know if that is relevant, depends on how this new 120hz monitors are.
When we are talking about TVs there is no 120hz signal, so the tv creates it from a 60hz signal. Meaning it creates every second picture. Thats alot of information to make and the engine just cant keep up with a moving picture and becomes inaccurate, so it blurs.
120Hz monitor should be fed with a 120hz signal, so no procesing done and no blurring.

[The Dome]

I would not go so far as to say IPS is "far superior" to MVA. The difference between MVA and IPS based panels is minimal at best. Unless you are comparing the two side by side you would never know the difference. This is coming from a person who did about a years worth of research before purchasing my LCD.

That said, IPS and MVA are definetly "far superior" to TN and no one can refute that.

As far as 60hz and 120Hz, the real world examples I have seen dont bode well. My dad has a 120hz Mitsu LCD TV and it sucks ballz. The static picture is great, but when something moves it looks totaly retarded and makes everything look like a Soap Opera. Its very bizarre, but true. I dont know if all 120Hz LCD's are like that, but if they are then its pointless.

I think that is more of a individual case type of thing. There's no arguing that both IPS and *VA panels offer better viewing angles and often better color reproduction but coming from owning a 2405FPW, two 2005FPWs, a 20WGX2 and now V2400W I can say that the BenQ is the only one suitable compared to my trinitrons for gaming. The 2405FPW was pretty much terrible imo, I couldn't stand a monitor where I could feel the input lag simply moving the cursor across the screen and I noticed the gamma shift quite a bit. Both 2005fpws went calibrated provided the best color I've yet to see on any lcd I've owned and still both see alot of use, despite being a bit too slow for me to play warsow and source on. The 20WGX2 had quite a beautiful picture aswell but the glossy coating wasn't I was very fond of and once again I could still sense/feel lag while playing fast paced games. Now move to the V2400W, the only TN of the group, while only being a 6bit panel it still produces a nice quality picture next to one of my 2005fpws and is the only lcd panel to date that I have used that I feel is a good all around panel. I was really hoping that nec would use a newer custom IPS panel like they did with 20WGX2's AS IPS on this and maybe use a non glossy coating but I can't justify paying the prices nec is going to charge for a *VA panel, let alone what they charge for their current line of IPS panels. Now if only Hazro would start shipping over to the US and maybe we could get a slightly faster panel from them, that would be awesome.

/end 2 am off topic rant