Bought The 4870x2, Can't Make Good Use. =(

[Scray XXI]

I've uninstalled drivers, used driver cleaner and made two fresh installs after reformatting, yet I still come up short.

I can't select the settings or the resolution I want in games [I am limited to 8xMSAA in all games, but I can't select 1920x1200 in Crysis] and I am getting horrible performance at just 8xAA. I don't know what else to do I am running it on a Rampage Formula motherboard and I am now using Vista.

[jimmyxxx]

Tryed on XP?

[Scray XXI]

On XP Pro and it didn't work. Same results with Vista. =*(

[gOtVoltage]

On XP Pro and it didn't work. Same results with Vista. =*(


Hmm have you tried the 8.8beta for 4870x2 or just 8.7 and what comes on the disk?

Im lookin to get one soon
and also is your Bios up to date for new ATI cards?

Some mobos dont like 3870x2 or 4800's with out most recent bios on Mobo..has to do with Pci-E switching .. also check to make shure the 4870x2 is running Pci-E 2.0 ,,its suppose too.

Try setting 1280x1024 /60hz then set to the max resolution and 60HZ and setting same HZ for desktop OVERIDE in CCC then applying AI Standard after your in max resolution...I cant remeber but think it has to do with a bug where 8x gets stuck using certain resolutions...8xAA and higherdosnt like to run Advanced but seem normal in standard..mode ATM...Have you tried setting all to performance then force the AA...

If i find the info ill post it..

[perkam]

I've uninstalled drivers, used driver cleaner and made two fresh installs after reformatting, yet I still come up short.

I can't select the settings or the resolution I want in games [I am limited to 8xMSAA in all games, but I can't select 1920x1200 in Crysis] and I am getting horrible performance at just 8xAA. I don't know what else to do I am running it on a Rampage Formula motherboard and I am now using Vista.Try Cod 4 or another game. Even Tri-GTX280-SLI would not perform well at 8xaa in Crysis. That is just the way the game is designed. 99% of people don't use any AA on that game.

Perkam

[Blkout]

I've uninstalled drivers, used driver cleaner and made two fresh installs after reformatting, yet I still come up short.

I can't select the settings or the resolution I want in games [I am limited to 8xMSAA in all games, but I can't select 1920x1200 in Crysis] and I am getting horrible performance at just 8xAA. I don't know what else to do I am running it on a Rampage Formula motherboard and I am now using Vista.

You can't run Crysis at 1920x1200 8xAA with a 4870x2. It's a very fast card, but you're asking too much. On my PC, I can run 1680x1050 4xAA or 1440x900 8xAA at very playable framerates. This is on high settings, DX9. Very high settings, DX10, isn't playable at all.

[dingdong555]

What is your CPU?

Sure it isn't bottlenecking it?

[Blkout]

What is your CPU?

Sure it isn't bottlenecking it?

Wolfdale E8400 @ 4.2GHz. 8GB GSkill DDR2 1000 @ 912MHz. Abit IP35 Pro MB. Vista 64 Ultimate OS.

No bottleneck there.

[littleowl]

what screen are you using?

[Scray XXI]

what screen are you using?

The Samsung 2493HM 24". The glossy one from newegg.

I ran Crysis at 1920x1200 no AA on my old Ultra just fine. I'm not saying I'm not getting good performance in Crysis, I'm saying I can't select the damn resolution in the options. Nor can I go higher than 8xAA in any game [I tried GRID as well, gave me strange results].

Is anyone else having this problem I seem alone here.

[littleowl]

oh sorry I was just thinking your screen couldn't handle that high a resolution.
IMO you always get junk when going ATI. :( I used to love their cards but after they took me for 400$ I will never buy from them again.
I hope you figure it out!

[Blkout]

oh sorry I was just thinking your screen couldn't handle that high a resolution.
IMO you always get junk when going ATI. :( I used to love their cards but after they took me for 400$ I will never buy from them again.
I hope you figure it out!

Nothing wrong with ATI. Making statements like that only ruin your credibility.

[perkam]

oh sorry I was just thinking your screen couldn't handle that high a resolution.
IMO you always get junk when going ATI. :( I used to love their cards but after they took me for 400$ I will never buy from them again.
I hope you figure it out!This is an isolated case m8. Not to mention, it was most likely an ATI brand partner like Sapphire or Powercolor that took you for your $400, not ATi directly.

Perkam

[Scray XXI]

This is an isolated case m8. Not to mention, it was most likely an ATI brand partner like Sapphire or Powercolor that took you for your $400, not ATi directly.

Perkam

Maybe that's it.

I got the Sapphire 4870x2, and I'm not a fan of Sapphire; at all.

But it was the only one available during the rush to get one for me. I loved my 8800 Ultra and my 680i board...until I got the magic smoke. Never again with nForce boards for me!

This discussion is nice and all, but I still can't enable anything higher than 8xMSAA in all games.

Interesting note: my card was performing badly in GRID at no AF. I cranked it up to 16x and it performs much better. I guess when they said the 4870x2 was going to rock the world, they meant it. Confuses the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of me...

[Blkout]

Maybe that's it.

I got the Sapphire 4870x2, and I'm not a fan of Sapphire; at all.

But it was the only one available during the rush to get one for me. I loved my 8800 Ultra and my 680i board...until I got the magic smoke. Never again with nForce boards for me!

This discussion is nice and all, but I still can't enable anything higher than 8xMSAA in all games.

Interesting note: my card was performing badly in GRID at no AF. I cranked it up to 16x and it performs much better. I guess when they said the 4870x2 was going to rock the world, they meant it. Confuses the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of me...

My 4870x2 is Sapphire also and it's performing just fine. All of them are going to be the same, they're all using reference ATI designs.

[Earzz]

Well maybe it sounds a bit weird but are you sure your PSU can deliver all the juice whats needed?
Systems will run with a underpowered PSU but they can cause performance issues when fully loaded.

[Scubar]

Installed my 4870X2 yesterday and had a quick play on Crysis on All very high with 4xFSAA @ 1920x1080 :) Got bored at looking at the pretty graphics after 5mins though and played a different game. Crysis is so unimaginably boring.

[adamsleath]

Interesting note: my card was performing badly in GRID at no AF. I cranked it up to 16x and it performs much better. I guess when they said the 4870x2 was going to rock the world, they meant it. Confuses the out of me...

cpu bottleneck in grid and grfx b/n in crapsis.

[Scray XXI]

To the guy who also bought the 4870x2, can you tell me if you can enable anything higher than 8xAA, or are you stuck at it like I am?

I have an 1100W power supply.

I am not a fanboy of Crysis, but I did pay for it and this card and I would like to get them to work. >=(

Overclocking my E8400 [which is a breeze to do by the way] will kick back my EPU. Should I try it anyway and see if it is a bottleneck?

Above all of these other issues [no I don't care how boring Crysis is, I just like staring at it], I just want to get higher anti-aliasing settings for my games. It's what I got the 4870x2 for. Please help.

[RADCOM]

Can you list your full spec. Maybe just a bad card, can you test in a friends PC?

[Scray XXI]

Can you list your full spec. Maybe just a bad card, can you test in a friends PC?

Don't know if it will help, but:

Lian-Li PC-V2010B
ASUS Rampage Formula X48
E8400
OCZ ReaperX PC6400
750GB Samsung Spinpoint
Sapphire Radeon 4870x2
Windows Vista x32 SP1

I know the case wasn't necessary, but I just wanted to brag... =D

[Blkout]

To the guy who also bought the 4870x2, can you tell me if you can enable anything higher than 8xAA, or are you stuck at it like I am?

I have an 1100W power supply.

I am not a fanboy of Crysis, but I did pay for it and this card and I would like to get them to work. >=(

Overclocking my E8400 [which is a breeze to do by the way] will kick back my EPU. Should I try it anyway and see if it is a bottleneck?

Above all of these other issues [no I don't care how boring Crysis is, I just like staring at it], I just want to get higher anti-aliasing settings for my games. It's what I got the 4870x2 for. Please help.


What do you mean by enable anything higher than 8xAA? In-game or CCC? Do you understand how ATI's AA works?

Maybe this will help.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUzMiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

[Wolf_Rider]

Catalyst 8.7 don't work with the 4870x2, as the drivers were released before the card was.
You need the drivers that came with the card or the drivers listed on the manufacturer's site (HIS have 11/8/08 listed). Perhaps soon ATI will have a newer release.

In my ignorance I tried the cat 8.7 and found similar to what are going through. The Cats did the install routine but nothing actually installed

[cadaveca]

For htose that don't like to click links:


Edge-detect AA only works in combination with 4X and 8X AA, it doesn’t do anything at 2X AA. You can confirm this by un-checking “Use application settings” and manually slide the slider to 4X AA. Now, click on Edge-detect in the filter box and click Apply. You will see that the “Samples” rate has changed to reflect 12X. Now, if you slide the slider back to 2X AA you will notice that the filter box automatically changes back to Box filter. Continuing the other way, if you set the slider to 8X AA with Edge-detect enabled it will show 24X under “Samples.” This should help break it down a bit easier:


4X Box Filter AA = 4X MSAA

4X Edge-detect AA = 12X CFAA

8X Box Filter AA = 8X MSAA

8X Edge-detect AA = 24X CFAA


The next question you are going to ask is can you use Edge-detect CFAA when selecting AA from within the game? The answer is most certainly “YES.” You simply leave the check mark on “Use application settings” and then click the filter box and select Edge-detect. Now, when you set 4X AA and 8X AA in the game you will really get 12X AA and 24X AA respectively. To go back to regular 4X AA and 8X AA simply select Box filter in the control panel

[CyberDruid]

^^you rock. That explains a hella lot.

[Scray XXI]

I could have sworn I said in-game like 15 times.

When I load a game, and I select the option for AA, it doesn't show anything past 8x [or level 3 for Vegas 2].

[pur]

Why would you need anything past 8x AA anyways?

[cadaveca]

^^you rock. That explains a hella lot.

Heh, I just pulled that from the link two posts above my own...:yepp:


:ROTF:

:up:


I could have sworn I said in-game like 15 times.

When I load a game, and I select the option for AA, it doesn't show anything past 8x [or level 3 for Vegas 2].

Um, now you are nit-picking. The way AA is done between nV and ATI is different, and as such, how I posted above is how it must be done. Switch to edge-detect, and select 8xAA in-game for 24xAA. Select 4x for 12xAA.

[Scray XXI]

Really? So that's how it's done?

Then why does it look the same when I go from box filtering to edge-detect in Catalyst Control Center?

And why can't I still select my native resolution in Crysis?

[cadaveca]

That problem is crysis, the res problem. I had max 1680x1050, but current patch I have up to 2560x1600. Some of the AA modes don't work yet in DX10 yet either, but they will, with an updated driver.


Doesn't matter, not liek the higher res will be playable anyway...


Did you read the posted link at all? I'm just regurgitating info from there, really...

[Scray XXI]

Yes I did and when I try to force anti-aliasing at all, my games just turn it off like I don't even have it on it's so strange...

EDIT: When I leave it on the, "use application setting," and just change it to edge detect, the visual quality is exactly the same and I lose half of my frames per second.

[mep916]

Did you read the posted link at all? I'm just regurgitating info from there, really...

I don't see a link...

Nevermind - blkouts post.

[cadaveca]

Post #22...

Scray, I hate to say this, but we have yet to have a offical monthly driver that supports these cards, so until then, don't expect much. Even then, the usual is about 3 months before cards start to work right.

[Scray XXI]

Well than, is anyone else who has this card having this problem? I figured it was a driver issue but I really want to be sure.

[pur]

I haven't had any problems with my 4870x2 yet..

the 8.8betas work great.

[xMrBunglex]

just sell it and buy an Nvidia. you know that's what you're getting at anyway.

[Blkout]

I could have sworn I said in-game like 15 times.

When I load a game, and I select the option for AA, it doesn't show anything past 8x [or level 3 for Vegas 2].


I don't have Vegas 2, but are you sure the game supports AA beyond 8xAA from the in-game menu?

[littleowl]

Nothing wrong with ATI. Making statements like that only ruin your credibility.

I didn't know I had any credibility and you should try and flame bait someone else because I am not interested. :)

END OF LINE


This is an isolated case m8. Not to mention, it was most likely an ATI brand partner like Sapphire or Powercolor that took you for your $400, not ATi directly.

Perkam

Perkam no it was ATI if it were someone else I would have said it. It is not like it matters either way I just stated what happened to me that doesn't mean a damn thing to anyone else on this forum.

[saki_bomber]

just sell it and buy an Nvidia. you know that's what you're getting at anyway.

wow:rolleyes::down:

[Scray XXI]

I had an Ultra before and I have played many a game at 16xAA. Now I have the 4870x2 and I can't get beyond 8x.

I installed the 8.8 beta drivers along with the hotfix and after patching Crysis, I was able to select 1920x1200 after long last. I still can't select anything above 8xAA in it though [not that I would be able to run it at all very high settings and anything above 8xAA either].

Yet I love how this thread turned into an ATi vs.nVidia thread. To tell the truth, I love both and I think that they are very reliable companies with very reliable products.

I just have ATi because I am using an Intel chipset. My last 680i gave me the magic smoke and almost burned my house down [almost got to sue EVGA; DAMN].

[cadaveca]

OK, very high is DX10, and additional AA modes do not work in DX10 yet. Good to hear you got the res problem sorted.

[Scray XXI]

OK, very high is DX10, and additional AA modes do not work in DX10 yet. Good to hear you got the res problem sorted.

You sure? Can anyone else who has the 4870x2 let me know if they can go above 8xAA in a game with their card?

Thanks though.

[Der_KHAN]

EDIT: When I leave it on the, "use application setting," and just change it to edge detect, the visual quality is exactly the same and I lose half of my frames per second.that's because edge detect is calculated with pixel shaders. ps intense games loose a lot of speed with this method of AA.

have you tried narrow-tent and wide-tent?

[edit] forget it. narrow- and wide-tent also use pixel shaders

[Scray XXI]

I use wide-tent and I see very little decrease in performance.

But edge-detect looks the same as box I compared screens. =/

[Blkout]

You sure? Can anyone else who has the 4870x2 let me know if they can go above 8xAA in a game with their card?

Thanks though.

Find a game that has an in-game 16xAA option. I can't think of any right now.

[B.E.E.F.]

oh sorry I was just thinking your screen couldn't handle that high a resolution.
IMO you always get junk when going ATI. :( I used to love their cards but after they took me for 400$ I will never buy from them again.
I hope you figure it out!

There's nothing wrong with ATi. You might have gotten a lemon. It happens to someone eventually.

If anything, nVidia is worse. Notice the massive recalls on mobile, and soon to be desktop GPUs.

[Waxking1]

My panel size is 1920 x 1080. The highest resolution available in Crysis with my 4870(single GPU) is 1600x1200 which doesn't match my aspect ratio. My power supply is an Ultra 1000 and the MB is Asus P5e with q9450 using V64. I had to go all the way down to 1280 x 720 to play this game.

I have a GTX260 on another machine with e8400 and Vista64 and 1080p is available with Crysis. Problem with this one is that it outputs 1080P/24 which limits me to 24fps with vsync enabled. On my screen this game shows severe tearing when vsync isn't enabled. With all the settings on Ultra high it is still very playable because it doesn't hardly drop below 24fps.

Anyway, my point is that Crysis has driver issues with Nvidia and ATI. I prefer playing it with Nvidia.

[B.E.E.F.]

I prefer playing it with Nvidia.

Crysis was optimised for nVidia.

No wonder ATi drivers have so many problems.

[Scray XXI]

Oh well. No worries. I actually get almost 40 frames per second outside in Crysis 1920x1200 no AA 16xAF. =]

I got X68xx something in Vantage with an E8400. Is that good [I have no idea how Vantage scales]?

[demowhc]

honestly you cant really expect any current gfx card to run 8xAA 1920x1200 in Crysis.. its just not gonna happen.. infact its the only game I have to play without 8xAA.. or 24xEDAA..

[fragmasterMax]

oh sorry I was just thinking your screen couldn't handle that high a resolution.
IMO you always get junk when going ATI. :( I used to love their cards but after they took me for 400$ I will never buy from them again.
I hope you figure it out!

Wow, great job getting to the root of the problem. :clap: That really took some troubleshooting skill on your part.


Crysis was optimised for nVidia.

No wonder ATi drivers have so many problems.

Dude have you ever turned on aa in crysis? And then looked at the fps as you increased the aa?
didn't think so. (it's not the drivers, its the fact that no card, can run crysis with 8aa/8qaa at those kinds of resolutions.)

[Blkout]

My panel size is 1920 x 1080. The highest resolution available in Crysis with my 4870(single GPU) is 1600x1200 which doesn't match my aspect ratio. My power supply is an Ultra 1000 and the MB is Asus P5e with q9450 using V64. I had to go all the way down to 1280 x 720 to play this game.

I have a GTX260 on another machine with e8400 and Vista64 and 1080p is available with Crysis. Problem with this one is that it outputs 1080P/24 which limits me to 24fps with vsync enabled. On my screen this game shows severe tearing when vsync isn't enabled. With all the settings on Ultra high it is still very playable because it doesn't hardly drop below 24fps.

Anyway, my point is that Crysis has driver issues with Nvidia and ATI. I prefer playing it with Nvidia.

I had no driver issues in Crysis with my ATI 4870 or my 4870x2. You may prefer Nvidia, but there's nothing wrong with ATI's drivers.

[Scray XXI]

I love how this turned into a fanboy flame thread.

And how I still solved the problem on my own...

[cadaveca]

Um, yeah, after I told you to patch the game. Way to toot your own horn...modesty, anyone?:stick:

[B.E.E.F.]

Dude have you ever turned on aa in crysis? And then looked at the fps as you increased the aa?
didn't think so. (it's not the drivers, its the fact that no card, can run crysis with 8aa/8qaa at those kinds of resolutions.)

Doesn't matter. My point still stands. Crysis is branded under "The Way Its Meant To Be Played" campaign. It is optimised more for nVidia hardware.

[adamsleath]

all this over a game patch (where is the 'sigh' emoticon?)