View Full Version : TRUE Worth it?
Knight203
08-15-2008, 08:15 AM
I've been thinking about buying a TRUE for some time and was wondering if its still worth it, is there some thing out there thats better? If so please link :)
mad_skills
08-15-2008, 08:22 AM
There are like n+1 topics on this subject, dude - use search. :)
Bottom line, if you need it it's worth it. If you want high performance air heatsink take Vendetta 2 or Xigmatech or that other cloned thing...
OdinEidolon
08-15-2008, 01:22 PM
xigma really rocks. all the companies like ocz, sunbeamtech, kingwin, even silenx use its HDT design (they rebrand xigma hsf with another fan).
just check
www.frostytech.com
Khalmyr
08-15-2008, 01:33 PM
I guess TRUE is not that much worth it anymore...
All these other coolers nearly reaching TRUE's performance at half it's price...
Oh well, we're still waiting for a BETTER one :p
Pneumonic
08-15-2008, 05:12 PM
I disagree a lapped TRUE and high CFM fans is still untouchable, if you want the performance then you pays the price
pvtdonuts
08-15-2008, 07:38 PM
I disagree a lapped TRUE and high CFM fans is still untouchable, if you want the performance then you pays the price
As far as RETAIL heatsinks go, the xigma or the ocz vendetta 2 are the best performers. yes lapping the TRUE and sticking a high CFM fan on there will make it a better performer, but the price is also gonna be higher and your gains will not be as great either
itznfb
08-15-2008, 07:44 PM
I disagree a lapped TRUE and high CFM fans is still untouchable, if you want the performance then you pays the price
agreed. lapped TRUE with 2 75+cfm fans is untouchable. rivals most watercooling.
Envydia007
08-15-2008, 08:04 PM
I like TRUE because its sexy looking beast esp with push pull fans ! LOL
Knight203
08-15-2008, 10:04 PM
What fans would be recommended for a push/pull?
LagunaX
08-15-2008, 10:33 PM
The TRUE is untouchable with the following 2 conditions met:
1) washer mod (stick a thin dime or penny thickness metal washer ring between the retainer and heatsink) for tight contact
2) decent high cfm fan (Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F is a good balance of cfm vs. noise)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=s-flex&x=0&y=0
As evidence, check out the following realtemp load temps with an e8600 under load @ 4.3ghz/1.352vcore with 1 push scythe s-flex fan:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg84/jhchang69/e8600es.jpg
mad_skills
08-16-2008, 04:00 AM
itznfb;3221632']agreed. lapped TRUE with 2 75+cfm fans is untouchable. rivals most watercooling.
This is true. Most people say Vendetta 2 or Achilles and co. rival TRUE on terms price/performance ratio.
It's true but when you put in it, all what TRUE can do, no air cooler can rival it.
On terms of sheer performance TRUE is still top notch.:up:
Even with one high cfm fan it's good, let alone push-pull combo.
CryptiK
08-16-2008, 04:11 AM
Yes TRUE is worth it. Vendetta etc are annoying to install and flimsy by comparison. Then add to that the performance of the TRUE, and it should be a no brainer. There have been many reviews that compare most of the top end coolers, so just use google and search for individual's results on forums you frequent.
That's what I did, and came to the conclusion it was worth it, and subsequently bought one. Also they can handle a quad with ease, and allow you to push some serious voltages on air if you wanted to abuse your cpu, so you won't need to upgrade in either scenario.
I'm happy with mine using an Antec Tri-cool 120mm fan on medium, and no washer mod. Max load temp for me is 49*C.
If it's out of your price range just get something you can afford.
mad_skills
08-16-2008, 06:38 AM
As always it depends on the individual and it's needs. If you need it you will buy it, if not you won't.
I just don't like ppl that have TRUE say Vendetta 2, Achilles & co. are worse because they perform worse with all mods on the TRUE, and vice versa, ppl with Vendetta, Achilles & co. saying that TRUE is too expensive.
You get what you pay, just figure out what will you pay for.:up:
LuckyNV
08-16-2008, 07:07 AM
As always it depends on the individual and it's needs. If you need it you will buy it, if not you won't.
I just don't like ppl that have TRUE say Vendetta 2, Achilles & co. are worse because they perform worse with all mods on the TRUE, and vice versa, ppl with Vendetta, Achilles & co. saying that TRUE is too expensive.
You get what you pay, just figure out what will you pay for.:up:
well I've heard plenty on the quality of the other coolers, things like dodgy fan, the heatpipes coming loose etc...
The only thing I dislike about the TRUE is the scissors mount and price, but I still love it to bits :D
price I don't mind, I don't think I need to change this cooler ever, unless Thermalright refuse to release a Nehalem bracket
mad_skills
08-16-2008, 07:23 AM
The only thing I dislike about the TRUE is the scissors mount and price, but I still love it to bits :D
This also can be fixed with little time needed:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=145499&highlight=mod
:up:
LuckyNV
08-16-2008, 08:14 AM
I use a 2p coin, nice extra pressure, dropped 2C and doesn't twist and turn when I change fan ;)
I'm just a bit miffed that end users have to fix this themselves, but meh its easy to do, still fiddly when mounting, I'd prefer the IFX14/Ultima90 mounting method perhaps.
CryptiK
08-16-2008, 08:40 AM
Don't think I was bad-mouthing the Vendetta per se, I have just read a few posts of owners saying they had cut themselves on it, or failed to mount it properly due to its design. I just think the TRUE does the job slightly better, is more user friendly, and the mounting design is solid, which can be further improved with the washer mod.
mad_skills
08-16-2008, 09:22 AM
One sole thing that they could have improved is to leave the mounting system they used on the old 120A Ultra instead of messing about with this scissor thing. It's not bad but there is a solution in the company itself.
Knight203
08-17-2008, 06:22 AM
Would it be worth it with two high cfm fans (80+) un-lapped?
Movieman
08-17-2008, 06:23 AM
"TRUE Worth it? "
Yes.. next subject..:D
mad_skills
08-17-2008, 07:01 AM
Would it be worth it with two high cfm fans (80+) un-lapped?
It depends on what revision of the TRUE you've got.
The newer ones have base finish like this:
http://i34.tinypic.com/2502zps.jpg
as you can see it's pretty good and lapping is not that necessary.
Older version, like the one i have really needed lapping and after that it's rather good.
How do you know which version you have? :) Does the new version also suffer from the lack of pressure and does it need a washer mod? :)
illidan
08-17-2008, 10:01 AM
thats mine on picture. well lapping is not needed. as for the lack of pressure, its not unmovable, so it's better to put something between base and that scissor mount
mad_skills
08-17-2008, 12:39 PM
How do you know which version you have? :) Does the new version also suffer from the lack of pressure and does it need a washer mod? :)
You can differ them due to the look of the base. Mine had very little thin cut-ins , that look like small fins and is not flat. That's the old one.
Also the color is different. The base of mine is more copper-like in color, not this bright.
Khalmyr
10-04-2008, 05:08 PM
well I've heard plenty on the quality of the other coolers, things like dodgy fan, the heatpipes coming loose etc...
The only thing I dislike about the TRUE is the scissors mount and price, but I still love it to bits :D
price I don't mind, I don't think I need to change this cooler ever, unless Thermalright refuse to release a Nehalem bracket
I'm sorry about digging this up.
But is TR going to release a bracket for LGA 1366?
I plan on upgrading in december / january, and I'd really like to keep my TRUE
Do you guys know the TRUE is supposed to rotate? It's intentional. I spoke with a Thermalright tech about this and that's what he said. I'd just like to clear up that it's not rotating because it's a bad fit, which most people seem to think.
Ultima-90 is no better, actually. Mine rotates like crazy, I only have to touch it and it moves. I don't like it, but the cooler seems to be doing a nice enough job. My only complaint is the heatsink base is scratched. That's how it was when I bought it.
Levish
10-08-2008, 07:48 AM
I'm sorry about digging this up.
But is TR going to release a bracket for LGA 1366?
I plan on upgrading in december / january, and I'd really like to keep my TRUE
If the mobo comes with a backplate like this one
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=203436
the scissor topside bracket should work fine
Spawne32
10-08-2008, 09:05 AM
Do you guys know the TRUE is supposed to rotate? It's intentional. I spoke with a Thermalright tech about this and that's what he said. I'd just like to clear up that it's not rotating because it's a bad fit, which most people seem to think.
Ultima-90 is no better, actually. Mine rotates like crazy, I only have to touch it and it moves. I don't like it, but the cooler seems to be doing a nice enough job. My only complaint is the heatsink base is scratched. That's how it was when I bought it.
nah its not intentional, all of the reviewers have been getting the same BS story about how the base and the mounting is intentional. Back when the TRUE was first released a few weeks aftewards they released a "fix" to the TRUE base which basically added a washer to increase the mounting pressure of the TRUE again the mobo, however later models failed to include this washer and the problem was never addressed. Heatsinks arent supposed to sag or tilt when the motherboard is in the upright position like the TRUE does, it has serious ramifications aganst cooling and contact area when it does. Which is why most people who have the TRUE now lap them and double the mounting pressure with a washer themselves. Usually a good rubber or vinyl washer from your hardware store will prevent the sag and twisting effect.
No sag here. :) Ultima-90 is light weight.
So... nobody believes Thermalright's tech's when they say it's not supposed to fit too tight because it might damage the CPU?
Spawne32
10-08-2008, 09:38 PM
No sag here. :) Ultima-90 is light weight.
So... nobody believes Thermalright's tech's when they say it's not supposed to fit too tight because it might damage the CPU?
Nope, there are specific guidelines intel releases for maximum mounting pressure before you risk damage to the CPU, thermalrights mounting system for the TRUE isnt even close, especially on the parts that dont make contact with the CPU IHS completely which depending on which one you get on what day could be anything anywhere. Part of the reason why it sags or "tilts" after it goes vertical.
When i get some more money together im gona do some of those pressurex tests on a couple different sinks and send them off to get real pressure analysis done to get some exact figures.
Just out of interest, which cooler are you using yourself, Spawne?
eternaljammer
10-10-2008, 07:12 PM
I agree, all I run are TRUE's they are the best hands down.
Fortunately none of mine sag.
OldOne
10-12-2008, 03:04 PM
Is it ture that it takes over 7inches from cpu to side of case for clearance?
Spawne32
10-12-2008, 04:26 PM
Just out of interest, which cooler are you using yourself, Spawne?
my E2140 system uses a ocz vindicator for uber silence, but i have like 30 different heatsinks :ROTF:
illidan
10-13-2008, 10:24 AM
for every day of the month :D
demonkevy666
10-14-2008, 10:04 AM
http://www.techpowerup.com/73777/Thermalright_Ultra_120_Full-Copper_On_Sale_this_Month.html
1900g
not the 3,000 they said....>_>
ThugsRook
10-14-2008, 10:17 AM
the bottom of my TRU is so poor its need machining before i can bother to lap it, its that bad. the mounting hardware is junk too.
i doubt id ever buy another TR product again. good coolers but they fall very short in actual quality.
:shakes:
cabbspapp
10-14-2008, 10:19 AM
The 3000 they were talking about was how many they were gonna make, and they are only making 2000.
Reckless187
10-15-2008, 07:59 AM
It weighs 1.9kg!?!?!? Will we need planning permission from the local council to errect a support structure for this beast?
Ozzfest05
10-15-2008, 08:42 AM
the TRUE isnt the same cooler after being lapped/mount modded nothing will beat it and that copper version looks damn sexy people dont realise weight isnt an issue it comes with a bolt through mobo design, I use a scythe infinity aswell plus I used 2 scythe ultra kaze fans which are incredibly weighted I bet my scyth config I had weighed double this new TRUE and it was using push pins lmao no troubles even moving case was fine
ThugsRook
10-15-2008, 10:46 AM
piss poor TRU90 contact...
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/ThugsRook/pics/tru90c1.jpg
excellent XP120 contact...
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/ThugsRook/pics/trxp120c1.jpg
:down:
Spawne32
10-15-2008, 11:42 AM
actually thats not really a good way to check for contact thugsrook, if the heatsink is making perfect contact with the IHS it would actually push the thermal paste out of the way.
ThugsRook
10-15-2008, 11:44 AM
actually thats not really a good way to check for contact thugsrook, if the heatsink is making perfect contact with the IHS it would actually push the thermal paste out of the way.
oh come on, its pretty obvious that about 2/3 of that TRU90 aint touching nothing.
Reckless187
10-15-2008, 03:23 PM
Is the IHS the same size as the Heatsink base or slightly smaller?
eternaljammer
10-15-2008, 04:53 PM
Is the IHS the same size as the Heatsink base or slightly smaller?
its alot smaller.
Larsson
10-15-2008, 06:05 PM
Some have yet to familiarise themselves with the Thermalright HR-01 Plus :)
That said, it's not good out of the box, for it to shine it needs to be lapped. And even though I'm a sucker for Thermalright I have to say that their mounting system is poor. Straight out of the box performance wise? well, I'd have to go with the Xigmatek, less hassle and is (at least mine was) X mounted, which is far better then two single screws.
Anyone going for the Xigmatek should know that lapping it, could result in damaging the heatpipes, thus not recommended!:nono:
Spawne32
10-15-2008, 08:21 PM
oh come on, its pretty obvious that about 2/3 of that TRU90 aint touching nothing.
i cant say that, i dont know what the IHS of the cpu looked like when it came off, and you didnt do any pressure mounting test to confirm that for sure did you?
ThugsRook
10-15-2008, 08:53 PM
i cant say that, i dont know what the IHS of the cpu looked like when it came off, and you didnt do any pressure mounting test to confirm that for sure did you?
i spread the TIM by hand, so if it was touching it would have TIM on it.
the IHS of my e8200 is flat, many other coolers have perfectly good contact to this chip, the TRU90 is the only one that doesnt.
the TRU90 has a large buldge in the center, wobbles like a weeble, and can spin on a flat counter like a top.
mounted with the washer mod, spring bolts were very tight, i could not twist the cooler by hand.
and i checked it twice to be sure.
cabbspapp
10-15-2008, 09:42 PM
I would lap it if I were you. It's not that hard either.
Spawne32
10-15-2008, 10:49 PM
i spread the TIM by hand, so if it was touching it would have TIM on it.
the IHS of my e8200 is flat, many other coolers have perfectly good contact to this chip, the TRU90 is the only one that doesnt.
the TRU90 has a large buldge in the center, wobbles like a weeble, and can spin on a flat counter like a top.
mounted with the washer mod, spring bolts were very tight, i could not twist the cooler by hand.
and i checked it twice to be sure.
lol regardless of what you think is flat with your naked eye, the IHS on all intel CPU's arent flat, they are designed with a concave center so that the retail heatsink makes specific contact with that area. Part of the reason the retail heatsinks are designed the way they are.
Now i know TR bases on all their heatsinks generally have poor maching but im just saying you can make a direct judgement of contact by thermal paste alone. I learned that the hard way.
ThugsRook
10-15-2008, 11:13 PM
lol regardless of what you think is flat with your naked eye, the IHS on all intel CPU's arent flat, they are designed with a concave center so that the retail heatsink makes specific contact with that area. Part of the reason the retail heatsinks are designed the way they are.
Now i know TR bases on all their heatsinks generally have poor maching but im just saying you can make a direct judgement of contact by thermal paste alone. I learned that the hard way.
dude, stop deflecting the point... its junk out of the box :down:
my test results? it was no better then my XP120, which is about 3*C behind my Enzotech EX120.
Larsson
10-16-2008, 12:00 AM
my test results? it was no better then my XP120, which is about 3*C behind my Enzotech EX120.
Where those tests results during idle or load? or both? 3°C differences across the entire spectrum from idle up to load; curious, that’s all.
Either way; it’s clearly visible on the picture that the base is far from flat so you’ll have to lap it.
ThugsRook
10-16-2008, 12:03 AM
Where those tests results during idle or load? or both? 3°C differences across the entire spectrum from idle up to load; curious that’s all.
load ~ 4ghz 1.35v
angelreaper
10-16-2008, 12:21 AM
Thermalright Ultra Extreme 1366 CPU Cooler Preview:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=2&artpage=3753&articID=879
Larsson
10-16-2008, 12:29 AM
load ~ 4ghz 1.35v
Interesting that, think I have to dig up my own XP-120 and do some testing.
Thanks mate.
Thermalright Ultra Extreme 1366 CPU Cooler Preview:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=2&artpage=3753&articID=879
Finally a mounting system worthy of the name; lets hope that they also start to make the base flat. Not that lapping is hard (don't get me wrong ;))but it do take some time going thru friggin 500 (if the base is really bad) – 600 – 800 – 1000- 1500 and 2000 grit sand papers, really.:D
ThugsRook
10-16-2008, 12:50 AM
Interesting that, think I have to dig up my own XP-120 and do some testing.
Thanks mate.
just remember to mount it sideways ;)