grim future for ss condensers?

[teyber]

hello!

was just thinking- i need some ss condensers. Lookign around- jinu is too busy to even think about selling condensers, chilly1 hasn't logged on since june, and i hear he doesn't even take MO orders anymore? just wiring to his bank account- which is very doggy considering his reputation...

Cold ice offers a great discount to use us people but the deluxe is almost 70$ after the crappy exchange rate+ shipping.

I wish chilly1 would have a easier way to sell the little blues. What are the rest of US builders using? NOL is mainly doing rechi builds with his condensers it seems, havn't seen much else from us people.

Am i missing a huge secret? or forgetting some?


edit-
there is dimastech, i wonder if his little compact is enough for a quad.

there also is detroic ac's but tbh those are too small for a reasonable load single stage...

[[XC] 2long4u]

You can have them custom made. There will always be condensers. The thing is the expense.
I have a bunch of HUGE condensers but they are 2'2"x1'8". That is a bit big for a ss.lol

[n00b 0f l337]

Yep custom made just costs alot. I've had em priced for what I want. a 7" x 7" x 3.5" condenser, with 5/16" rifled tubing. Can get em at $40 a pop, but gota order 20, and theres a $350 setup cost.

[teyber]

yes- ive contacted a couple people but got like 500$+ 30$ for each additional one... no thanks. even if i bought 100, off the top of my head, would come out to ~ 35$ each...

[n00b 0f l337]

Well I wanted bigger, smaller would have been less. I did want 7 x 7 inch block though, and thick.

[teyber]

still- having a investment of +1k to save 20$ on shipping... meh

[tuchan]

teyber, xie67 down here in Oz is on the case for this sort of work. He has a company in China (I think) working on something for him, all custom to what the needs are. From what I have spoken to him about so far, pricing is very good indeed:)

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[wdrzal]

Am i missing a huge secret?


Well other than figuring out google doesn't have answers to everything.

There are hundreds of USA manufactures of HX products and many more who resale imports. You need to search out the product you need and get as close to the source as possible to eliminate middle men.

Thomas used to put out a set of books (like a encyclopedia of just about all manufacturers of products from A to Z. They used to be very expensive.thousands a set.

http://www.thomasnet.com/

http://www.globalspec.com/?frmtrk=CR4digest


http://www.engineersedge.com/


http://www.matweb.com/index.aspx

http://www.efunda.com/home.cfm


I now see they have a web site. try that and other manufacturer data bases for products. Or manufacturer or mechanical engineering search engines.

If you wait for someone to knock on your door with the right item,I suggest taking up playing solitare......:D

[teyber]

ill throw him a PM- but im looking for in the 30- 40 ish range for a decent (not crappy) condenser. is this possible with him you thinK? lol maybe i should just ask him :P

[teyber]

walt i posted as you posted-

link is not working. Im not quite getting you in searching out the product-

I have contacted 2 coil companies and am in the process of a third and they all seem to have a setup fee at more then what im hoping to invest in single stage condensers.

a bit of lookign at the dimas small condenser- who has used these?

[PhilippF]

The Dimas small condensors have by far not the capacity of a Cold Ice Deluxe condensor. Even the medium one has not the same capacity. If you want something exceeding the Deluxe, buy the big condensors. The Deluxe condensors are so efficient because of the rifling (correct term?) inside the copper tubes which makes more surface and a more turbulent flow.

But the big condensors are really fine, I have used them and for a SS for a Quad they are really nice, just a bit large.


Regards,

Philipp

[wdrzal]

walt i posted as you posted-

link is not working. Im not quite getting you in searching out the product-

I have contacted 2 coil companies and am in the process of a third and they all seem to have a setup fee at more then what im hoping to invest in single stage condensers.

a bit of lookign at the dimas small condenser- who has used these?

LOL: theres plenty of condensers the size you need already available. Your not going to get a manufacturer to produce a "dozen" to your specs: 30 to 40,decent (not doggy) thats not a specification most companies will understand.....but many companies already make condensers like the ones used on XS without a special order.

If you guys want to design and build systems and your own parts, you need to start thinking like a engineer. Building systems for yourself is one thing,but there are responsibility's & liability's that come along with manufacturing a product for sale to the public.

[one_servant]

Teyber, I've run into the SAME FRUSTRATION. Pretty much, I think Walt is right....we need to really bust our butts online and on the phone researching the established companies that already make what we want...we just don't know about them yet. I feel like we need to be reaching further than "Little Blue" these days as the more cores we encounter are increasing the heat load we need to mitigate.

I've given some thought to going to Advance Auto Parts and going through their stock of condensors and heater cores in search of a good unit that could be purchased in bulk. Some of those condensors are quite inexpensive.

Until I finish my current build I won’t have time to do this sort of research but when I do finish I may be able to find a solution that will serve us all well.

[teyber]

The Dimas small condensors have by far not the capacity of a Cold Ice Deluxe condensor. Even the medium one has not the same capacity. If you want something exceeding the Deluxe, buy the big condensors. The Deluxe condensors are so efficient because of the rifling (correct term?) inside the copper tubes which makes more surface and a more turbulent flow.

But the big condensors are really fine, I have used them and for a SS for a Quad they are really nice, just a bit large.


Regards,

Philipp

Yes i totally agree- but the price of the delux with exchange rate is around 70$ PLUS shipping which is just too much imo for a condenser, especially since i want to buy a bulk of them.

Compressors will be small- nf7fx. i don't need the best i just need to to reject enough heat- i can use push/pull fans and a large DSH if needbe.

Also- i search and search... whats the store name- kaelotechique? (:rofl: :down:) can't fine it (cold ice's shop).

Reed

[Spoobs]

hey.. you know that SS unit im working on teyber? WEll the AC unit has an evaporator and a condenser. However.. the evaporator looks just like the condenser only a lil bit smaller. What diameter of copper coils are u lookin for? and ill see if i can get some measurements and pictures.

[[XC] gomeler]

I'm looking for some single-stage condensers also, so frustrating when the local HVAC guys have no leads and companies don't know where they source their condensers. Need Home Depot to carry condensers :(

[teyber]

hello!

thanks for the offer! but im really more looking for a reliable source of small condensers that can fit in a case.

really apprecaite it though!

[Spoobs]

yeah.. then i dont think you want this. Its like "8 1/4" by roughly "15 1/2"

im not sure it would work anyway, the intake is split up into two differnt coil paths, then reconnected at the end. so you would need like a triangle fitting for two inputs going to the capillary tubes or somehow braze the three.

[teyber]

a quick rundown-
approximate costs- euro-
Cold ice
delux condenser- 45e
Standard condenser- 41e
smaller condensers- 22-25e (too small methinks)

Unseen
very large condenser- 35e

Dimas

small condenser- 28
medium condenser- 33
large condenser- 44

multiply by about ~ 1.5 to get dollars. (as of yesterday- 1.489 i think)

take half of it and add it to cost- plus about 40$ to ship. If the small condenser works from dimas that would fir my needs perfect

[cold_ice]

The small one for 25 EUR has about 250w, enough for a small single stage. The Deluxe 500w.

[one_servant]

Truthfully though, it seems that the day of "small" single stages are passing away with the advent of "hotter" processors. Of course "small" is relative.....all I'm saying is that we will be seeing "the new small" develop over the next several years. Just a theory...

[fitseries3]

i found this guy on ebay... http://stores.ebay.com/Detroit-Thermo and i am planning on getting the larger condenser from him shortly. you might check it out.

[Xeon th MG Pony]

you guys fail to design proper systems, the compressor him self must be cooled! 250W load from the chip, + 31% load from compressor so you need 500W condensor for proper function!

[DetroitAC]

i found this guy on ebay... http://stores.ebay.com/Detroit-Thermo and i am planning on getting the larger condenser from him shortly. you might check it out.
That guy, he's a very handsome fellow, charming, witty, in fact my wife is married to him.

[Xeon th MG Pony]

That guy, he's a very handsome fellow, charming, witty, in fact my wife is married to him.

Ah made a lucky escape did ya? (LOL)

[one_servant]

LOL!!! :D I didn't realize you had an eBay store Detroit!! Curse those anti capitalism edicts this forum has that prevent proper advertisement of goods and services we all would be interested in! :mad:

Thanks for the linky! :up:

[teyber]

That guy, he's a very handsome fellow, charming, witty, in fact my wife is married to him.

hehe, ive got 3 of his large ones and 2 of his small ones.

The small ones, don't get me wrong, are great. But i plan to use it on my cascade for a second stage DSH. but TBH, i think they are too small for a single stage. if i used 2 of them i would rather use a more expensive condenser or drive over to jin's and say " hey! o i see your busy but can i buy some condensers? :p: (jk man)"

i was lookign at dimas's thread and he used only his small condensers for a long time, then he switched to using the medium and large ones... right around when the hotter cores came out:rolleyes:

[wdrzal]

That guy, he's a very handsome fellow, charming, witty, in fact my wife is married to him.

You need to get your wife to model with the condensers, No matter how handsome & charming you are ,I bet she will out sell you 4 to 1 :)

[vab206]

ill tell you where you may be able to find a good condenser. go to a lowes store near you (not sure about Home Depot b/c i dont work there) and simply ask a manager if you can get a condenser off of one of the fridges in the appliance haul off trailer. most stores have this for customers who buy a new fridge/freezer and dont want their old one. a lot of the time older models have condensers like uses in SS setups. just a thought, i went and got my compressor from a haul off trailer. would be a good place to start for anyone in the US who is looking for a way to get into phase

[n00b 0f l337]

We are looking for a permanent and very good high quality setup with great access, so I don't think thats too much of an option.

[Nosfer@tu]

maybe contact Danfoss ?
They migth know a company you can use ?