The high VID thread. [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

Loser777

08-01-2008, 10:26 PM

Let's make a thread for people to post and vent about their high VID chips... :welcome:

My story:
March 2008, I buy a Q6600, but before I popped the chip in I returned it because it was an L804 and there was plenty of talk about how L80Xs sucked
June 2008, I buy a second Q6600, only to find that it has a VID of 1.3125v and does 3.6GHz only with 1.51+v
July 2008, I get rid of second Q6600 and buy my third... it had a VID of 1.2125v but I soon realized that it was a cruel joke... The worst kind... I was encouraged by it reaching 3.6GHz with 1.384v... then it wouldn't hit 3.7GHz no matter what. I eventually broke down and blamed my 750i and sold that to get a P5Q-E... only to find that the chip still wasn't stable (huge ass amount of time and effort wasted)
August 2008, I get rid of the third Q6600 and buy a Q9450, only to find that it has the highest VID possible- 1.25000v

I'm giving up on this sack of bull.
I've also lost quite an amount of blood from wrestling with Intel's pushpins from hell and the razor sharp fins on my HSF.

I know there are a lot of you guys out there who have had bad experiences with chips... Let's share. :up:

AgentGOD

08-01-2008, 11:04 PM

Yeah, I got a Q6600 with a VID of 1.3125v as well.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9906/badq6600ox6.jpg

RejZoR

08-01-2008, 11:25 PM

Heh, like describing my scenario, just with E4300. First i bought GA-965G-DS3 and was greatly dissapointed as it could only go to 2,4GHz stable. Replaced it with GA-965P-DS3 just to find out it can go no further than 3,15GHz stable. And i thought, :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty GIGABYTE is playing tricks on me and have replaced it for P5Q Deluxe (the most expensive board i ever bought) just to find out that E4300 tops out at 3,3GHz stable. I had to go through 3 motherboards just to find out my E4300 has a crappy fsb wall far below 400MHz.
So i had to settle with 3,3GHz till i somehow find out how to get damn 3,5GHz stable out (while not using 1,9 volts lol) of it or just replace it with some E8xxx based chip...
Had chance to buy used Q6600 SLACR but someone bought it just a little before i contacted that guy so a no go. Ah well... a pit without a bottom for my wallet, thats for sure. :P

AgentGOD

08-01-2008, 11:28 PM

I went through the EVGA 750i SLI FTW, and the P5Q Deluxe. This is also for me, the first time I spent over $129 on a motherboard.

pablo906

08-02-2008, 06:10 AM

My new Q6600 is a dog. VID of 1.325.... Getting it stable to 3Ghz though only required taking the volts to 1.375 and it's prime stable.....not sure wtf is going on with this processor since it's stable to 2.8Ghz with 0 voltage bump.

HighTest

08-02-2008, 06:40 AM

Ghaaaa!

I also have had poor luck, currently have an Intel Q6600 (S-SPEC: SLACR) (FP0/BATCH: L805A094) and it's 1.325 VID. I've been watching the Intel DX48BT2 thread and the G0 Q6600 thread in preparation for my OC attempts and now I'm sadly discouraged. Think I'll just try for 3GHz Prime Stable with little volt change, but then I see that some are only stable to 2.8GHz without a voltage change. :(

As to pins, sliced flesh and whatnot, I agree. My spouse thought she'd come in on a delicatesan nightmare when I'd had the HSF fins slice and dice me during the pushpin proccess on an OCZ Vendetta 2 installation. Worse yet, it would even fail to turn on! Thought the stress had broken the mobo! Upon close inspection, and despite working to always maintain a downward force, a pin on the LGA 775 had somehow been bent out of alignment. Fortunately I could use the straight edge of a credit card to repair the sucker, but are these LGA775 sockets wimpy or what?

Based on that experience, plus the stories of many others that have tried to get a good OC Q6600 to no avail, I'm reticent, oh yes reticent about mucking with new CPUs in an attempt to find another. After all, you can only build so many gaming rigs for your wife and yourself. :)

gurusan

08-02-2008, 06:45 AM

high vid is not the end of the world. Of my q6600s I've had:

1.3250vid that did 3.64ghz on 1.45v
1.3125vid that did 3.737mhz on 1.48v
1.3000vid that did 3.8ghz on 1.49v

Not legendary clockers but I certainly wouldn't call that bad. these were all 24/7 stable overclocks as well

Grnfinger

08-02-2008, 06:49 AM

I have been through a few quads myself all high VID's.
My last attemp I bought a Q6700 off ebay brand new OEM chip for 200 bucks, pop'd it in and what do you know VID of 1.325:up: another stellar chip.
But after a few days brooding over my latest waste of cash, I pop'd the chip back in and have a decent clock of 3.6GHz with 1.49 volts.
So while not the greatest chip it will do till Q9550's drop in price and I can waste more money on my quest for a quad core 4.0GHz 24/7 rig

Sparky

08-02-2008, 06:56 AM

My first Q6600, G0, VID 1.3125. 2.45GHz with 1.45 volts 24/7 stable. 2.5GHz didn't seem to work even at 1.5 volts, core 2 would just bomb out on me every time, followed by core 3. Oh well.

Leeghoofd

08-02-2008, 07:06 AM

Again a high VID doesn't necesarrily reflect a bad clocker, nor is it in any way an indication of being a good/bad clocker at low/high voltages...my best Qx is the highest VID I owned 1.215 does 4ghz at 1.25Vcore, same for the E8400, it's VID is 1.225 yet it does 4ghz at 1.21 lol.... and 1.5 volts for 2.4Ghz ops there's surely something other wrong...

There's more to life then VID... it's a reference but warrants zilch...

philbrown23

08-02-2008, 07:07 AM

man you dont even want to know how many quads I have been through to try and find a low VID chip, 10! but I had best results with the Q6700 as not as many people bought them so less were made.

spinejam

08-02-2008, 08:50 PM

1st Q6600 G0 vid = 1.325 ---- 3.5ghz @ 1.45vCore
2nd Q6600 G0 vid = 1.2625 ---- 3.6ghz @ 1.40 vCore (my sig) :)

Zigosity

08-02-2008, 09:13 PM

Q9450, VID 1.2500, 3.6 at 1.35v.

I guess it's not too bad, really. I might even be able to bump that down a notch, if I really tried. And I feel your pain about Intel's pushpins and drawing blood on your HS, I think there's still a few little pieces of skin on my NB...

politenessman

08-02-2008, 09:58 PM

i have had a few chips with low vid. none, that i could remember were particulary good overclockers. all ran very high temps relative to other chips with an equal amount of voltage over default. i havent gotten a really great overclocking chip since x2. but i get above average chips all the time. unlike many folks, i have absolutely no problem using lots of vcore, as long as my load temps are ok. i had an e8400 recently that ran about 16 hrs/day with 1.49v vcore. but it had good contact with the ihs so load temps never went above 67c on air. but thats the vcore i needed to hit 4400mhz. i have an e8500 now that runs 4600 all day with 1.44v vcore. i have no idea what the vid on these chips are. i stopped checking long ago.

Loser777

08-02-2008, 10:43 PM

I've had two 1.3v+ VID Quads, two 1.2125v VID Quads, and one 1.2500v (Q9450).

Both did 3.6GHz pretty easily, but any higher started getting iffy.

I'm wondering if my memory is giving out?

I've yet to get a "lengendary" Quad.

demowhc

08-02-2008, 11:01 PM

I'v a Q6600, can get it to 3.6Ghz 1.45v but not any higher.. so meh 3.6Ghz will do for now..

WhiteFireDragon

08-02-2008, 11:50 PM

you guys have to remember that most people do not get good chips like seen on majority of the screenshots here on XS. it's nice to show off a good clocking chip, but who would want to brag about a shltty one? most of these bad chip owners keep quiet and sulk about it when they compare to many of the good chips seen here

thehinge1

08-03-2008, 01:13 AM

My good ol' C2D E6400 is 1.325VID, but will 3.25GHz all day at 1.3375 setting in P5W-DH BIOS, will go higher but that mobo gets flaky beyond 406fsb (I have seen 3.39 stable with a volted NB and 1.375+ Vcore). When I get funds the P5W will become the media server as I really think this chip will do 3.6 or so.

The E7200 I just got is 1.0875VID batch Q808A796, but does not seem to like passing 3.9G without at least 1.3625v set in the bios on a P5K Pro. So far it seems to work best with 1.35Vcore at 9x multi for 431fsb and the ram running at 3:4 to get 575/DDR1150. My stix will do at least DDR1200 at 5-5-5-15 so I still have some tweaking to do. I'm on air -TRUE 120 'black'- and trying to keep this thing fairly quiet.

I'd love to get either chip on a P5Q-E or Biostar!:up:

LennyRhys

08-03-2008, 01:33 AM

I have had seven Q6600s in my system in the last week, all with VIDs at or above 1.3v... four of them were 1.3250s.

Again a high VID doesn't necesarrily reflect a bad clocker, nor is it in any way an indication of being a good/bad clocker at low/high voltages

High VID absolutely is indicative of the level of voltage required for certain clock speeds. Even the best high VID Q6600s need over 1.4v to do 3.6GHz stable. I have yet to see a 1.3250 VID that can do 3.6GHz under 1.45v... if one even exists. My lowest VID quad, 1.3000v, needed at least 1.55v bios to get 3.6GHz stable.

you guys have to remember that most people do not get good chips like seen on majority of the screenshots here on XS.

Very insightful and also very accurate. I suspect that there are A LOT of bad overclocking/high VID chips out there and we never hear about them. Conversely, which person that has one of the few 1.2125 VID Q6600s and can do 4GHz 24/7 is going to think "not bad I guess" and not say anything about it?

holwill

08-03-2008, 01:35 AM

My Q6600 1.2625 L724A828 does
3.6@1.408 24/7 stable
3.825@1.508 24/7 stable
4.020@1.5875 3hrs stable got worried so stopped it.
4.140@1.608 benchable nothing more.
http://www.r5jones.aquiss.com/Pictures/4150spi.jpg

Leeghoofd

08-03-2008, 02:02 AM

High VID absolutely is indicative of the level of voltage required for certain clock speeds. Even the best high VID Q6600s need over 1.4v to do 3.6GHz stable. I have yet to see a 1.3250 VID that can do 3.6GHz under 1.45v... if one even exists. My lowest VID quad, 1.3000v, needed at least 1.55v bios to get 3.6GHz stable.

I beg to differ on the VID, like I said it's an indication but does not guarantee anything...But you won't listen to me anyway as you got it all figured out... I can run most of my CPU's below the VID even at stock speeds... only thing that is mostly comon is that low VID CPU's are usually hotheads...how weird that may seem...:shrug:

eg I have several wolfdales in my possession reight now, can you explain to me then why the 1.2250 VID performs on par at eg 3.6Ghz at 1.1 with the Xeon 3110 (VID 1.1625) and even surpasses it at 4ghz, the higher vid does it at 1.21Volts while the Xeon needs a whopping 1.29... same mobo, ram and cooling... With the 4 Qx 9650's I had, I can assure you it's NOT the lowest VID CPU I kept...

There's more to having a good cpu then just VID... batch, stepping, IHS flatness, core contact, wafer nr ....and last but not least some good old luck helps big time... only testing the CPU is a way to find out if it's good or not...and not all users have mega cooling or hardware to get it stable... it's not always the CPU...

bartx

08-03-2008, 04:11 AM

Now I have E6420 chip with quite high VID for Conroe - 1.35V. It's a good one I think:
3280MHz - 1.35V orthos stable
3360MHz - 1.40V orthos stable
and
4520MHz - 1.825V 3D Mark 2006 stable under DI (it's one of the better E6420 on hwbot)
So, this isn't a rule - high VID = bad overclock.

LennyRhys

08-03-2008, 05:13 AM

I beg to differ on the VID, like I said it's an indication but does not guarantee anything...But you won't listen to me anyway as you got it all figured out...

I agree with you for the most part, but regarding Q6600s not one of my high VID chips was a good overclocker. And I don't have it all figured out; I think you're misunderstanding me. I'll clarify:

I can run most of my CPU's below the VID even at stock speeds

Me too - I had my current 1.3215 VID Q6600 running with 1.165 in BIOS and it was ok but definitely not stable. On the contrary, did it do 3GHz at stock volts...heck - did any of my quads do 3GHz at stock volts? Nope. That's the point I'm trying to make about high VID chips, specifically Q6600s: they have a higher voltage requirement. Maybe I should be more clear and state that I'm referring specifically to the Q6600s, not the 45nm chips, so your Wolfdale's performance to VID ratio doesn't apply to what I'm saying. Sorry for the confusion; my bad. :)

I accept wholeheartedly that there are very good (even golden) high VID CPUs out there, but people like me who've had nothing but high VID CPUs that completely suck at overclocking reserve the right to moan about it. :p:

Xello

08-03-2008, 05:41 AM

Is 1.25v the highest possible VID for 45nm quads?

LennyRhys

08-03-2008, 05:56 AM

Is 1.25v the highest possible VID for 45nm quads?

1.25 for wolfdales
1.325 for kentsfields
1.35 for conroes (I think)

mach82

08-03-2008, 05:57 AM

Is 1.25v the highest possible VID for 45nm quads?

no. QX9650 and QX9770 can have higher ones.

Xello

08-03-2008, 06:44 AM

no. QX9650 and QX9770 can have higher ones.

Ok, my QX9650 is 1.25 not sure how good that was.

hema

08-03-2008, 07:43 AM

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4614/785yb3.jpgthis one for my frind
and min ishttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8108/q66001sq0.jpg
note the diff. volt with same speed
my process. pass stable test my frind process. iam not sure

mach82

08-03-2008, 08:15 AM

Ok, my QX9650 is 1.25 not sure how good that was.

OC the CPU and you'll find out. My QX9650 vid 1.25V and QX9770 vid 1.275V reached 4 GHz at 1.38V, so quite pathetic. Out of two Xeons X3350 (equivalent of Q9450) I've had the one wih vid 1.2V overclocked worse than the one with vid 1.2375V, so higher vid is not always an indicator of worse OC potential.

Loser777

08-03-2008, 11:04 AM

I thought the QXs would be binned better since they cost $xxxx, but I guess not.

Leeghoofd

08-03-2008, 12:12 PM

Qx work fine Loser777, up to 4.5Ghz... some need 1.45 volts, some need 1.55 for that... but I would never run my Qx at those volts daily... I keep mine at 4ghz daily... only for benching and co I go up...

NonDecepticon

08-25-2008, 05:36 PM

Got an 814 with a 1.325 VID, won't Prime 3600 even with 8x multi and 1.504v (as reported in CPU-Z after vdroop). Temps in the mid 60's on a DK P35-T2RS (I know, not the best for Quads but I'm not looking to do 3800-4000). Tried all kinds of vtt, pll, gtl, mch combos. It needs just under 1.4v to pass Linpack at 3400. Seems all right at that speed, but I'm kinda wishing I went with the E8400.

truehighroller

08-25-2008, 05:55 PM

I honestly feel better about my setup after reading this. I am deeply sorry for peeps with bad chips/. I will sell mine to some one here when I decide to get an E8600. My VID on the Q9450 is high BTW 1.225v.

Lestat

08-25-2008, 06:03 PM

quit buying high VID chips i mean,, how many bad purchases does it take to learn
interesting little twist.
RMClock will actually change the default VID in coretemp when using RMClock to lock the multi and vcore.

try it out,, you'll see.

now unfortuantely i have only used this on dell systems and dell systems, unfortunately do not have overclocking options and only a select few boards allow setfsb to change the fsb, but because of no vdimm control you cant change the fsb very much without taking the ram out of spec.

either way someone should give it a try and see what happens.

truehighroller

08-26-2008, 03:59 AM

gallag

08-26-2008, 04:28 AM

My first quad, Q6600 s-spec slacr VID 1.25 3.6GHZ @ 1.3825:)

Sorry for rubbing it in:p:

NonDecepticon

08-26-2008, 04:59 AM

@ Truehighroller & gallag: I'm curious, did you guys get yours in the retail box or OEM/tray? I'm actually counting blessings because I read some threads about the earlier 804's brick walling at around 3200. That would be the equivalent of one of my previous bad luck chips, when I missed a good batch by one week in the Opteron 165 craze; my week 51 took work and high voltage just to hit 2750 whereas week 50's were dancing around 2900-3000+ near default voltage).

@ Lestat, personally I went into it hoping for what I saw as an average lately of 3.6GHz with about 1.45v, I would've been okay with that during Winter. Ah well. Trying for 3500 :p:

gallag

08-26-2008, 05:11 AM

ci2kla

08-26-2008, 05:17 AM

I got a VID 1.225v E8400 Batch Q807A191...
At stock speed I can hit 3.6Ghz with no issues
But to get to 4Ghz stable I need much more juice...like 1.4v which is quite high for wolfdales....bad chip:down:

gurusan

08-26-2008, 05:33 AM

All of my Wolfies have been 1.225 VID but they have all clocked differently...my Current E3110 is 1.225VID but does 4.4ghz at 1.46V

TI66ER

08-26-2008, 05:38 AM

My E6750 is 1.35vid but it does 3.2 at 1.365v and its at 3.6ghz now with 1.375v.The highest i have had is 4ghz at 1.5625v.I dont know if there is a lower vid E6750 though,but 1.35vid does seem pretty high.

gillbot

08-26-2008, 05:39 AM

My old Q6600 had a VID of 1.325 and it topped out at 3.4GHz no matter what I threw at it.

RCG_Bex

08-26-2008, 05:40 AM

My E6750's VID was 1.3125v for 2.66Ghz, in the end it took 1.56v to get it to boot and run at 4.2Ghz but I never did get it 100% stress test stable. Conked out after a few hours... 4GHz was rock solid after I changed to a 266 strap and brought the v's down though.

I've got an E8600 now with a VID of 1.2500v for 3.33Ghz and it runs 4Ghz on 1.192v 100% stress test stable :rofl:

I'd love to take it further but this rampage BIOS is a dog and 408 doesn't seem to be any better. Constantly get detect RAM errors all over the place. Thought it was the RAM but flashed back to 308 with my E6750 for a quick test and old settings work fine with stress tests etc. So just a bad BIOS tbh :shake:

~Bex

Pneumonic

08-26-2008, 05:52 AM

My first quad, Q6600 s-spec slacr VID 1.25 3.6GHZ @ 1.3825:)

Sorry for rubbing it in:p:

I would post but well I may get stoned :)

gmod

08-26-2008, 05:56 AM

Isnt in true at least on the E series chips that low vid chips run hotter than the high vid chips...Like my E8600 with vid of 1.25 does 4500mhz @1.45v and idles around 35c (RealTemp) but my buddies E8500 that has a lower Vid 1.1xx at 4500 with 1.4v idles @ 41c....Both chips are under water here..

CryptiK

08-26-2008, 06:02 AM

It does seem to be a general trend that the lower VID chips run hotter.

My e8400 has a VID of 1.225v and it does 4005 MHz stable at 1.32v load. I haven't pushed it higher yet but I will be staying under the max of 1.3625v so I doubt there is much left in it.

truehighroller

08-26-2008, 06:06 AM

My Q6600, I don't know what the VID was but, I had it in an overclocking contest and it did 4.135Ghz~ on air at 1.6v. I bought both of my chips retail once the price droppped on them. My 9450 is a 813.

steve30x

08-26-2008, 07:38 AM

I have a q6600 G0 which will OC at max to 3.6ghz with a vid of 1.3250. I cant rember the voltage I had it at but I think I had it @ 1.475v with the CPU watercooled nothing else in my watercooling loop. The CPU hit 65 celcius under full load. I could boot to post " 4ghz but failed to load windows. Can load windows @ 3.8ghz but it will crash as soon as I try running any programs. The best stable I can get it to is 3.6ghz.

I am getting an Asus Maxus Formula soon and as soon as I change the CPU water block Ill be reinstalling my Q6600. Will do some testing.

NonDecepticon

08-26-2008, 09:54 PM

I got mine in retail box
Thanks, supports the theory that Intel scrapes the silicon for the OEM Q6600's from the proverbial "bottom of the barrel." Mine was OEM, figured there was no diff, didn't need the heatsink nor warranty :brick:

RaZz!

08-27-2008, 01:47 AM

what's considered as a "high" and what as a "low" vid (45nm quadcores that is)? couldn't find any useful information while googling.

my q9550 has a vid of 1,2375v. but i have no idea whether it's good or not, lol.

Big Lar

08-27-2008, 04:33 AM