Critique my budget performance build.

[B.E.E.F.]

Now that I have some money ($$ CAD), this is what I want to get:

PC Parts:
---------

HD 4850: $170.00 (DC)
E7200: $145.00 (DC)
P35 Mobo matx ASUS P5E-VM G35 $145
4GB DDR2: $70.00 (OCZ Platinum XTC) (NCIX)
WD SE16 16MB 640GB: $90.00 (DC)

Mini p180 Case $140.00 (NCIX)
Enermax Pro82+ 385W PSU $72.00 (DC) ...80plus certified

Subotal: $832.00

Swiftech Liquid Cooling:
----------------------


GPU: MCW60-R $45.00
CHIP: MCW30 $30.00
CPU: APOGEE GT $45.00

PUMP: MCP655 $75.00
RESERVOIR: MCRES-MICRO $20.00
RAD: MCR120 QP Single $35.00

Subtotal: $250.00


Final Total: $1082.00



I'm looking for good performance, but it needs to be silent and stable so I'm putting watercooling.

[Tonucci]

Enermax Pro82+ 385W PSU is quiet only if you dont exceed ~200W:

http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3270&p=13

I'd try to get at least an 450W corsair. TX-550W ideally, so it can run cool and quiet even while gaming.

[B.E.E.F.]

So I'm better with the Pro82+ 525W according to the graphs.

I'm looking for some efficiency as well which is why I'm going for 80plus. Less heat = less cooling = less noise.


I'll look into the Corsair. They claim good efficiency.

[Tonucci]

Yup, that would work better.

I recommended corsair for their high bang for buck, but the Pro82+ 525W is an awesome unit, even more quiet and efficient than corsair units. Just too pricey for my taste.

Now that i see you considered an compact ATX tower, I'd try to do that, and get an good budget p45 mobo instead of M-ATX. Biostar T-Force is one of my favorites...You can get some cheaper p45 mobo deals than P35 Mobo matx ASUS P5E-VM G35

[Source]

Where are you buying the Liquid cooling from?

And you got something for on the memory of the 4850?
The MCW60 only cools the GPU itself.
Also if you intend to overclock, i would rather pick a 240-radiator instead of a single 120mm.

[B.E.E.F.]

Yeah. Forgot to update. I will be going with the dual fan radiator.

Also, I will be getting the tiny copper heatsinks for the 4850 ram. I figure its too small to count, like tubing, liquid... etc.


I will be buying the liquid cooling from NCIX . Online warehouse in Canada.



Good prices on cooling? Or is $250 a little steep?

[fragmasterMax]

beef
for a budget 250 on cooling is ALOT.
here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000200000%204809&StoreType=1&page=1&srchInDesc=p35&bop=And&SpeTabStoreType=99&Order=PRICE), you can get a p35 mobo for 55 shipped. IDK if they ship to canada,
I would forego water cooling for quality air cooling on the video card, and plenty of 120 mm fans along with a rheobus extreme to keep things quiet at idle. I'd say skip the mini p180, and get a antec 300 (http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0283272). (they are 60 bucks at microcenter, 50 4 b&m) (the only difference is there top fan is 120mm and not a 250mm like the antec 900, dimension wise, they are almost exactly the same. DON'T get a mini atx motherboard, it's not worth it if you want to oc. Get a quality antec psu with at least 3 12v rails. \
i'd say remove the ihs of the e7200, and pick up a ultra 120 xtreme+high speed fans. Don't be afraid to mod the case to improve airflow also.
Newegg has a great selection of gpu coolers, whose fans can be hooked up to your fan controller. since you plan on spending 1000 bucks get an e8500, and possibly a crossfire mobo, skip $250 of water cooling headaches imo.

[fragmasterMax]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194918

[fragmasterMax]

even better http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=877956

[B.E.E.F.]

The reason I wanted water cooling is for the performance, and quiet. I don't want my main workstation to fry again.

My other option is to get a bunch of Thermalight passive coolers. The HR-03 & HR-01 for CPU & GPU. Mix that with some Noctuna fans.



E8500? Isn't that a E7200 with more cache? Which barely makes any difference in performance.

I'll look into a new case & mobo to reduce the cost. I'm not doing a crossfire setup. I like a single gpu card. I'll do multi-gpu when they fix the microstuttering.
And yeah, the 900 looks nice.

[perkam]

Three words m8: Pee-Forty-Five.

Perkam

[B.E.E.F.]

P45 eh?

What about this one:

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD9855&vpn=P5Q&manufacture=ASUS
ASUS P5Q ATX LGA775 P45


What about the P43? I'm going single card only.

Here's one:
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD3655&vpn=P5QL%20Pro&manufacture=ASUS
ASUS P5QL Pro ATX LGA775

[B.E.E.F.]

Here's a new build:

ATX PC Build:
-------------

Antec Sonata III + 500W PSU $99.00 (DC)
ASUS P5QL Pro $99.00 (DC)
E7200 $127.00 (DC)
4GB DDR2-800 Patriot Extreme CL4-4-4-12 EPP $97.00 (DC)
WD SE16 16MB 640GB WD6400AAKS $74.00 (DC)
Diamond Radeon HD 4850 $170.00 (DC)

Total: $666.00

Prices updated too.

Need to add the cooling though. Thermalight series for everything.
Is the DDR2 good though? Should I go CL4 or CL5? I'm only going to OC the CPU to 1.4v. That's about 450mhz FSB? 500mhz FSB? :shrug:

[kemist]

if you want to go water cooling dont go anything less than a 3x120mm rad. Youre wasting your time otherwise IMO.

[adamsleath]

Total: $666.00
wot a beast

p5q has 8-phase thingy- that make any difference?...

but it's only a dualcore.

also an Asus P5QL-E for about the same price.
http://203.185.232.2/dbs/images/products/9788.jpg

[B.E.E.F.]

Here's another option:

I'm considering a E8400 now. Its only a little bit pricier. I read the E7200 is just a broken E8xxx series that doesn't have fully working cache, and requires more voltage.



Antec Sonata III $99.00 DC
ASUS P5QL Pro $99.00 DC
A) E7200 $127.00 DC
B) E8400 $170.00 DC
4GB DDR2-800 Patriot Extreme CL4-4-4-12 $97.00 DC
WD SE16 16MB 640GB WD6400AAKS $74.00 DC
A) Diamond Radeon HD 4850 $170.00 DC
B) Diamond Radeon HD 4870 $270.00 DC
---------
A) Total: $666.00
B) Total: $809.00


Air Cooling:
-----------

Thermalright HR-01 Plus $45.00 DC
Thermalright HR-03 GT (VGA Cooler) $46.00 DC
Thermalright HR-05 (Chipset) $19.00 DC

Noctua NF-S12-1200 $18.00 x5 (Case 2, GPU, CPU, PSU) $90.00 DC
--------
Total: $200.00

PC A) Total: $866.00
B) Total: $1009.00

[Tonucci]

wot a beast

p5q has 8-phase thingy- that make any difference?...

but it's only a dualcore.

also an Asus P5QL-E for about the same price.
http://203.185.232.2/dbs/images/products/9788.jpg

Wow, look at the 24-pin connector location :confused: SATA placement is bad aswell, along with NB HS almost touching an RAM slot.

Probably the worst layout Ive seen in a long time.

Other than that, its an good board, feature/ price wise.

[B.E.E.F.]

Wow, look at the 24-pin connector location :confused: SATA placement is bad aswell, along with NB HS almost touching an RAM slot.

Probably the worst layout Ive seen in a long time.

Other than that, its an good board, feature/ price wise.

So, why pay extra for this? Besides the cool heatsinks all over the place.

[Caveman787]

e7200 will work fine I don't think there's much difference between the 2 performance wise but it would be able to overclock better.

I don't think you should skimp on the psu ever, so a corasair 650tx for $90 after mir or corsair 750tx for $100 after mir will hold you. If your gonna be gameing the 4870 has alot more power like 25% over the 4850.

Accelero s1 rev. 2 for gpu cooler cheaper and can be run passively or with 2 120mm fans with zip ties being just as good or better then the hr03.

Fans how bout scythe slipstream for case and s flex for heatsinks? They have good airflow and can be very quiet aswell at half the price of the noctua's.

If your not gonna go crossfire a good p45 will be nice...I'm partial to the p45 since it's heatpipe setup works well and looks very sexy. If your gonna go crossfire later get a dfi x38 since it's good and the cheapest as far as I found of x38's.
If your gonna be useing good air pressure yet silent fans on your cpu heatsink and it only being a dual core heat shouldn't be to big a worry. coolermaster z600 is a new passive heatsinks and with fans can cool with the best of them.

and if your a zealot it's cross shape will amuse you :ROTF:

[perkam]

So, why pay extra for this? Besides the cool heatsinks all over the place.The other Asus has the same 24-pin placement...I said P45, never said Asus. If you don't have the budget you can't go Asus.

The best budget P45 board is Gigabyte:http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11830BD7711&vpn=GA-EP45-DS3L&manufacture=GIGABYTE

Perkam

[Tonucci]

Hmm 4-phase and better layout VS 8-phase with terrible layout....I dont know what i would choose.

[perkam]

Hmm 4-phase and better layout VS 8-phase with terrible layout....I dont know what i would choose.The Gigabyte is P45. The Asus is cheap P43.

There is no comparison.

Perkam

[Tonucci]

I dont know Perkam, i think they are comparable, p43 is just an lower binned p45 chip. With double power phases the asus board could make up for it a little. Also, the P5QL-E has RAID (ICH10R), while the GA-EP45-DS3L lacks it. And the Gigabyte board looks very cheap aswell. From what i see prices are similar...

I dont have experience with them, im just comparing the specs, so I cant really say witch one is better. I'd research OC'ing results before deciding.

[jimmyxxx]

P45+ICH10R. Why? RAID FTW :)
IMO you should get
Biostar I45+ e8400 = Its like Batman and Robin you know :D
Good 4gig kit of ddr2 800 and oc them to 1066
And if you are going noise less cooling for GPU and CPU, you will need a better ventilated case like the Antec 300 or the 900.

[B.E.E.F.]

I'm sticking to the Sonata III case. Its cheap, and has a good quality, 80plus 500W PSU.

I don't think the HD 4870 will need all that power.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-4870-review--asus/5
334W system consumption for a HD4870 under load.


Now what about these P45 boards?

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD9855&vpn=P5Q&manufacture=ASUS
ASUS P5Q

* Intel LGA775 Platform
* Intel® P45 chipset
* ASUS 8-phase Power Design
* Dual-channel DDR2 1200/1066/800/667 MHz
* 100% Japan-made Solid Capacitor(5000 hrs VRM)
* ASUS EPU-6 Engine
* ASUS Express Gate
* ASUS Drive Xpert

http://ca.asus.com/999/images/products/2164/2164_l.jpg


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http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD7774&vpn=P5Q%20Pro&manufacture=ASUS
Asus P5Q Pro

http://img.directcanada.com/images/ASUS/P5Q_Pro/P5Q_Pro_11.jpg

No specs available. Can't find it on the website. :confused:

[B.E.E.F.]

If you don't have the budget you can't go Asus.

I can build a $2000 machine if needed. But what's the point when $1000.00 will do?

[dr.noob]

I can build a $2000 machine if needed. But what's the point when $1000.00 will do?

I support you , why dont you waste money on better things:up:

But, wasting another 1000 just to have more 1fps, dont think so:yepp:

[Tonucci]

Well if money is no big problem get an good p45 board instead of an entry-level one... Does not cost much more,...like 30$ or so.

And possibly an hd4870 or GTX260 if your main goal is gaming. :) Some games are very heavy, an better card would make an big difference (around 25% more gaming performance).

[B.E.E.F.]

Well if money is no big problem get an good p45 board instead of an entry-level one... Does not cost much more,...like 30$ or so.

And possibly an hd4870 or GTX260 if your main goal is gaming. :) Some games are very heavy, an better card would make an big difference (around 25% more gaming performance).

Yeah. HD 4870 sounds good.

What's the point of a good P45 board? I'm only clocking the CPU as far as 1.4v. I need a stable system. This is a workstation first (3D CAD), gaming pc second.

I like the HD4850 for the price/performance. I like the HD4870 for the AA performance over the HD4850. Makes lines smooth.

[grimREEFER]

oem q6600 instead of a e7200 maybe?
the 3d cad stuff can make use of 4 cores, right?

[B.E.E.F.]

oem q6600 instead of a e7200 maybe?
the 3d cad stuff can make use of 4 cores, right?

Yes it can. Not sure about realtime, but rendering for sure.

Considering a Q8200 if its a good price otherwise its a E8400+ for overclocking. I like it to run cool.. somewhat. The HD4870 wouldn't help, but its not used in rendering. :up:


I think this is a good balance between a quiet, solid workstation PC and a gaming PC.

[grimREEFER]

yea, but the quads above the oem q6600 wouldnt really be considered budget lol.
and i like the idea of the thermalright passive cooling on the cpu and gpu.

[B.E.E.F.]

yea, but the quads above the oem q6600 wouldnt really be considered budget lol.
and i like the idea of the thermalright passive cooling on the cpu and gpu.

I won't be putting a Q6600 with a heatsink like that. Its asking for trouble.
I like the performance of the passive heatsink, so I will hook up the very silent Noctua 120mm fan. Either 1200rpm or the 800rpm model.

Should be near dead silent, especially with a Antec Sonata III.



What about the ASUS P5Q?? P45 Chipset. Good layout? 8 phase power good?

[Tonucci]

If its an CAD station first, then why not an q6600 ? VERY cheap, OC to >3.2Ghz... The other quads are either pricier or have very low multi. e8X00 Wolfies are near q6600 price and perform much worse in heavily multi-threaded programs... So I'd get either the e7200 or q6600.

The p45 board are excellent clockers, coupled with pcie 2.0 and the newer ICH10R southbridge. The small price premium makes it worth imo, but an p35 board works well too.

The P5Q PRO is a lil better, 10$ more, but with two pci-e 16x slots and proper 24-pin connector placement. The board layout wont affect your build in almost any way. In fact, its one of my last buying criteria. Worth nothing anyways. If the price is similar why not get one with good layout :)

[B.E.E.F.]

If its an CAD station first, then why not an q6600 ? VERY cheap, OC to >3.2Ghz... The other quads are either pricier or have very low multi. Wolfies are near q6600 price and perform much worse in heavily multi-threaded programs... So I'd get either the e7200 or q6600

The E7200 is a scrapped E8xxx series that didn't make the cut. :shakes: Worth a few dollars to get a quality OC chip.

That and not all CAD apps are optimized for quads.

http://www.techspot.com/review/84-amd-phenom-family-performance/page2.html
http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/84/bench/CINEBENCH.png



There's really not a big difference. I'm basically getting a dual core CPU (which can also heat my toast in the morning) with 2 spare cores.

[Tonucci]

Hmm its an fairly good difference from what i see :shrug:

And about the e7200...it does not matter much if its an failed wolfdale, fact is, there are plenty e7200's reaching above 4Ghz and the missing cache results in around ~5% performance loss in most cases. The price difference is kinda high imo...not that wolfies are expensive, but they are near q6600 price.

[B.E.E.F.]

I'll check the return policy of my local computer store.

I'll get a E7200 and try to clock at 4.0ghz with 1.4v. If it doesn't then I'll upgrade to a E8400 with a good batch number. I will not be buying a Q6600. A Q8200 later maybe.


Now what about these P45 boards?

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD9855&vpn=P5Q&manufacture=ASUS
ASUS P5Q

* Intel LGA775 Platform
* Intel® P45 chipset
* ASUS 8-phase Power Design
* Dual-channel DDR2 1200/1066/800/667 MHz
* 100% Japan-made Solid Capacitor(5000 hrs VRM)
* ASUS EPU-6 Engine
* ASUS Express Gate
* ASUS Drive Xpert

http://ca.asus.com/999/images/products/2164/2164_l.jpg


-------------------

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD7774&vpn=P5Q%20Pro&manufacture=ASUS
Asus P5Q Pro

http://img.directcanada.com/images/ASUS/P5Q_Pro/P5Q_Pro_11.jpg

No specs available. Can't find it on the website. :confused:

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

FYI nearly all OCZ ddr2 is terrible with major QC issues, I would strongly advise you search for a better brand.

[Tonucci]

I'll check the return policy of my local computer store.

I'll get a E7200 and try to clock at 4.0ghz with 1.4v. If it doesn't then I'll upgrade to a E8400 with a good batch number. I will not be buying a Q6600. A Q8200 later maybe.


Now what about these P45 boards?

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD9855&vpn=P5Q&manufacture=ASUS
ASUS P5Q

* Intel LGA775 Platform
* Intel® P45 chipset
* ASUS 8-phase Power Design
* Dual-channel DDR2 1200/1066/800/667 MHz
* 100% Japan-made Solid Capacitor(5000 hrs VRM)
* ASUS EPU-6 Engine
* ASUS Express Gate
* ASUS Drive Xpert

http://ca.asus.com/999/images/products/2164/2164_l.jpg


-------------------

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD7774&vpn=P5Q%20Pro&manufacture=ASUS
Asus P5Q Pro

http://img.directcanada.com/images/ASUS/P5Q_Pro/P5Q_Pro_11.jpg

No specs available. Can't find it on the website. :confused:


On paper I'd pick the P5Q PRO. 2 pci-e slots and better layout.

[perkam]

Ranking (based on model with least features first) goes like this:

Asus P5Q
Asus P5Q Pro
Asus P5Q-E
Asus P5Q Deluxe
Asus P5Q Premium

Needless to say, the Pro > regular P5Q.

Btw, it is really difficult to help you out with this if you keep changing your budget.

Perkam

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

the p5q deluxe has better power regulation which is key for not only getting high OCs but keeping them high without degrading the CPU

[B.E.E.F.]

Btw, it is really difficult to help you out with this if you keep changing your budget.

I am willing to spend a little more over the budget in order to make sure the parts are rock solid.

$1000.00 - $1100.00

[B.E.E.F.]

the p5q deluxe has better power regulation which is key for not only getting high OCs but keeping them high without degrading the CPU

Sounds good. The ASUS version is pricy though.

Cheaper alternative from manufacturer #2? Either that or I'll stick with the P5Q Pro and its slightly inferior power regulator.

[Pillo-kun]

HAHA, dude you started with a cheapo build and now ya are thinking of building a top notch machine, kinda remindes me of someone. (plays coool :P) I also use cad progrpams such as catia v5 and my advice is simple, get a quad core cpu. more is simple better here. a lot of ram and a card with a hella lot of ram to. would get a nvida actually in this case cus of 1 Gb video of ram. motherboard, just get one that has pci-e 2 and good support for quads, but let be honest allmost all mobos nowwadays will do if ya get the q6600 and try for 400mhz fsb. 400mhz ram will do superbly in a machine like this. no need for higher speeds, but get lots of it. but again thats me. good luck.

i built the pc ya se in my sign when the e6600 and ddr2 was worth gold for ultimate catia and later my friend built a pc with a quad 6600, asus p5e x38 and 8gb of cheep 4x2Gb cas5 and it so much smoother in cad programs then mine setup, duuuh hehe. but in games our sys are quite similar.

[adamsleath]

p5q-e, dude. it's a deluxe minus some bling isnt it? but i havent even looked at them, just guessing.:hehe:

the pro is better than the p5q vanilla cos of dual gfx slots and better layout (24pin power is in the 'right' place)

i still dont think 4870 is worth it over a 4850 in a 'budget' machine, even though 4870 is better.

budget go the p5ql-e:lol:(130$aud here vs 127$ for the asus p5ql vanilla) with the crappo layout. dpends if the sinks/24pin position is going to clunk with other stuff you are putting into the board.

maybe the p5qpro is good enuf; is there a pro thread anywhere?
i also think e8400/8500 is the way to go.

until price parity with yorkfields and q6600, there is really only the q6600 for quads for "budget"

u say potayto, i say potahto.

e7200 saves some bucks. 4850 saves some bucks....
mobo...p5ql-e vs p5q pro vs p5q-e in my opinion. maybe there's others to consider from other brands:shrug:

[B.E.E.F.]

The P5Q-E is way too expensive here in Canada. The Pro is already $139. The P5Q-E is $170

Yeah, I'm settled. I'm going with this setup:

Changed the ram. Changed to P5Q Pro P45. Removed the Chipset cooler.

Antec Sonata III
ASUS P5Q Pro P45
E8400
2x2GB Mushkin XP Redline DDR2-1000 CL5-5-5-12
WD SE16 16MB 640GB WD6400AAKS
Diamond Radeon HD 4870

Thermalright HR-01 Plus
Thermalright HR-03 GT

Noctua NF-S12-1200 x5 (Case 2, GPU, CPU, PSU)

Final Total: $1071.00 Direct Canada prices.

[adamsleath]

"Value" PC? :hehe:

[fatman]

well my systems is just like the one your going to be building... i have the q6600 oced to 3.0 and can hit 3.6 before going unstable, 4 gigs ddr2 800 mushkin 4-4-4-12, the asus p5k deluxe and its the best board iv ever owned never had a single prob with it, have not done any water cooling but i have a artic 7 cooler and it idles at 48, im bout to replace my old modular psu for a corsair 750 i bought the new psu just cause of the price its like 100 bucks right now and that is dirt cheap for that psu. gpu is just a 3870 right now bout to get the 4870 x2 but yea. that corsair is onsale on buy.come and newegg. i got it from buy.com cause i could get 2 day shipping for 6 bucks so yea. well gl on the build man hope tthis all helped you out.

mobo 150
ram 110
cpu 200
psu 100
gpu 300 or so
860 total

[Tonucci]

Nice rig BEEF. If you have access to yateloons I'd recommend them over the noctuas, they are very cheap and fared a little better than the noctuas in some reviews.

ps: I still think you should get an Q6600, since its an 3d station first :D

[B.E.E.F.]

I still think you should get an Q6600, since its an 3d station first :D

I know. But there is always an upgrade to the Q8200 later.

I'm not going to risk a 65nm quad with a passive cooler. That's just asking for trouble.




Mushkin is good though? Consensus is that it OC well and its reliable. What about the timings?

I've looked for the yate loon. Nothing so far. I'll keep looking. It'll save a few bucks.

[fatman]

Mushkin is good though? Consensus is that it OC well and its reliable. What about the timings?


my timing is 4-4-4-12 and it ocs extremly well i havent maxed it out so idk how high it can go but its at ddr2 800. its like 53 bucks per 2 gig stick. do some more investigation on the q 6600 i think id be the best bang for the buck and wont dissapoint you a bit. let us know what you decide on

[B.E.E.F.]

I'm sticking with the E8400. I may upgrade to a Q8200 next year.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Mushkin is good though? Consensus is that it OC well and its reliable. What about the timings?


My mushkin is essentially the same as that stuff, just slighly lower bin I think. Extremely stable, and clocks higher if I'm not using PL6 (woot pl6 lol)

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

do some more investigation on the q 6600 i think id be the best bang for the buck and wont dissapoint you a bit. let us know what you decide on


Sorry to double post, but the q6600's that have been shipping lately have very high VID's and clock terribly, OP should definitely stick to 45nm unless he can find a low VID early release q6600 for sale used

[B.E.E.F.]

Update. I will be going with the E8500 instead.

Lowest prices I could find in the area:
E8400 $177.00
E8500 $193.00 (+$16.00)

I figure there's a better chance of getting a good chip since the E8500 is higher binned, and costs only a burger and a coke more.

[Tonucci]

Its worth the extra 16$. With the 8500 you wont be so limited by the multi.

[fatman]

so when you going to start building?

[B.E.E.F.]

so when you going to start building?

A week or so. I'm hunting down the cheapest parts in my area. I've found a HD 4870 anywhere from $270-$340. A E8500 from $177-$210. So it might take a little longer. I've already placed an order on the thermalight+noctua cooling from Direct Canada.



What about the E8600? The new E0 stepping? Should I wait for the E0s to trickle down to the E8500s?

Saw a thread in the Xtreme OC section. A E8600 4ghz at 1.14v. :clap:

What would the E8500 do at 1.14v?

[perkam]

The E8600 is an extra $120 to your budget. Stay away from it. The E8500 will do 3.8Ghz+ 24/7 just fine.

Perkam

[B.E.E.F.]

an extra $120

:shocked:

Damn. What about the E8500 E0? When is that expected? I can wait a few weeks.

[fatman]

damn good thinking.. but if its only going to gain 400 mhz dont worry just stay with your plan. imo

[B.E.E.F.]

damn good thinking.. but if its only going to gain 400 mhz dont worry just stay with your plan. imo

Yes, but what's the harm in getting an E0? With the way DirectCanada does shipping, I don't expect to have everything together for at least 2 weeks.

[B.E.E.F.]

OK. So I bought everything. I also just got the order from Direct Canada.

The morons did not include a 92mm Noctua fan I ordered! Its on the order confirmation online, and the printout inside the box. But the fan is not there. Not only that but my order number from online does not match the order number on the printout!

I tried calling them on the 1-877 number. It puts me on hold for 2 minutes then hangs up. I tried my landline, and my cell so its not my phone/service. I gave an e-mail instead.





I'm probably going to do a chargeback, or stop payment with the credit if I don't receive any word from them.

Anybody experience similar f*uckups with them?

[Tonucci]

Keep us updated with OC results please :)

[adamsleath]

whats the 92mm fan for?

[B.E.E.F.]

whats the 92mm fan for?

The HD4870 heatsink.

HR-03 GT

http://img12.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/2/f/8/3/1/2f8319a3daff4ec1df20edb343bf3176_full.jpg

[B.E.E.F.]

Ok. So its running. Got Server 2008 on it.

The HD4870 is HOT! How do I turn up the fan speed?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Ok. So its running. Got Server 2008 on it.

The HD4870 is HOT! How do I turn up the fan speed?

search function is your friend, there are endless threads on this topic

[chester]

AWW the story ends.Damnit please put ur overclock in here even if its a no overclock 3d06 spi.Dont even have to overclock ill take ur word.Just a few benchmarks and did u get an EO stepping geeez sry

[clayton]

P5Q are strong overclockers. I have a P5Q-E that serves me right until I7's.

[B.E.E.F.]

I OCed my CPU to 4.02ghz stable, now I have it back to stock.. GPU I flashed with the ASUS Top BIOS. It clocks really nice too.

I'm still messing with the settings. I'm hoping to hit 4.5ghz at ~1.4-1.45v with the E8400. C0.



Next up is the WD SE16. I heard it has all sorts of profiles in the firmware for power & quiet. I need performance.

[cloned]

Nice OCing, how's the temps?

[B.E.E.F.]

Nice OCing, how's the temps?

~52C for CPU, ambient ~20C. Thermalright HR-01 cooler with Noctua 120mm P series.

[bhavv]

Very nice results.

I want to grab an E0 E8400 as they have gone down to around £110 and I can still sell mine on ebay.

But online retailers dont let you pick E0 E8400's / E8500s because they recieve mixed batches :(

Which ram did you get? Mushkin? Unfortunately we dont get Mushkin in the UK, but my OCZ is running really well.

As for the 4870's, I know you already bought one, but you could have avoided spending money on that aftermarket cooler by getting a Club 3D or Powercolor Zerotherm cooled ones. Also, which one did you get?

I think everyone knows that I'm a converted fanboy to cards which use Zerotherm now, and I also like the Sapphire toxic, but they are overpriced.

[B.E.E.F.]

you could have avoided spending money on that aftermarket cooler by getting a Club 3D or Powercolor Zerotherm cooled ones. Also, which one did you get?

i like to be able to pick exactly what I want.

i got a basic card, which left me with unlimited options for a cooler. i went with the Thermalright HR-03 GT. It showed some impressive numbers on SilentPC Review.

Same with the HR-01. I hooked them both to Noctua fans. 92mm and 120mm P series for sinks respectively.

The 92mm Noctua was a mistake. I assumed it would be as quiet as the 120mm was reviewed to be. Its not. RPM is higher to push the same air.

[bhavv]

Ah, ok. Modifying them yourself is more fun too :up:

Ive given up on modifying my graphics cards by just buying pre modified ones to save the hassle, but thats the lazy way of doing it.

Enjoy the PC, and get that CPU to 4.5 Ghz now!

[B.E.E.F.]

Enjoy the PC, and get that CPU to 4.5 Ghz now!

I'm waiting for winter. Free air conditioning.