A Nehalem Roadmap

[majestik]

Saw this today on vr-zone, probably already old but hey:

http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/07/16/intel-roadmap.png

[FabricioGS]

Oh boy can't wait for one of those Bloomfields :rolleyes:

I'm already saving some money for it :D

[fasttruck860]

Licks lips at the thought of integrated memory controller.;)

[Envydia007]

wooo Q8200, what is that ? :)

[Aberration]

Isnt Q4 coming quick? I think Christmas is already settled.

[Flip_Lx]

so i'm a bit confused about this whole 2 new socket things. is the 2.6GHZ bloom gonna be considered the "top end enthusiast" socket or part of the "mainstream"/lower/cheaper(ish) socket? the road map labels it as mainstream, but i thought only the "high end" socket was releasing in 08

[majestik]

so i'm a bit confused about this whole 2 new socket things. is the 2.6GHZ bloom gonna be considered the "top end enthusiast" socket or part of the "mainstream"/lower/cheaper(ish) socket? the road map labels it as mainstream, but i thought only the "high end" socket was releasing in 08

http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/06/10/bloomfield-spec.png

[Flip_Lx]

ah thanks a lot for that link majestik

[bowman]

LGA1366 = Enthusiast, upper mainstream and 'extreme' segment. Tri-channel, QPI, the lot.

LGA1160 = Mainstream. Dual-channel, DMI interface, possibly no overclocking.

I know which one I am eyeing and which one I am blatantly ignoring.. :yepp:

[majestik]

So far, lack of "mainstream" chipset worries me. I only heard of X58, and judging by the current prices of X48 it will be $200+ for *any* mobo.

[Jim Morbid]

Yeah - these is room for some serious dickery here. Hoping they dont give everyone the finger and only allow OC'ing on extreme segment...

JM

[overclockerd]

LGA1366 = Enthusiast, upper mainstream and 'extreme' segment. Tri-channel, QPI, the lot.

LGA1160 = Mainstream. Dual-channel, DMI interface, possibly no overclocking.

I know which one I am eyeing and which one I am blatantly ignoring.. :yepp:
Wow! i didn't know that intel has 2 new sockets:p:, oh! and something else... when you say that there is possibly no overclocking, why is that?

[FabricioGS]

http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/06/10/bloomfield-spec.png

This QPI difference between the Bloomfield XE and the other two can be solved through overclock?

I had two AMD 64 before moved to Intel platform but completely forgot how to overclock without fsb :D

Another thing: does anyone knows whats the multi on each processor?


EDIT: just found this:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9915/bloomfieldspecssi0.png

[fasttruck860]

Nice find Viper. So does anyone know if the QPi can be clocked higher or is that purely in how many bits wide the link is?

[majestik]

Nice find Viper. So does anyone know if the QPi can be clocked higher or is that purely in how many bits wide the link is?

Number of bits is constant at 20bits. It's in the QuickPath spec. The only difference seems to be the quickpath multi (24x vs 18x). My random guess is that the quickpath multi will be adjustable down, or something like it.

edit: found this rather interesting pic:
http://www.hkepc.com/database/images/2008010314110161637230275.jpg
Tylersburg aka X58

[TheScavenger]

This is all really interesting stuff. Keep posting up the good finds!

[aussie-revhead]

I know its early but how well will a 2.66 or 2.93 fair against a qx9650 ? Will raw clock speed win ? Is it true that only the new qx will overclock ?

:up:

[majestik]

I know its early but how well will a 2.66 or 2.93 fair against a qx9650 ? Will raw clock speed win ? Is it true that only the new qx will overclock ?

:up:
Depends on the application I guess. Yorkfield has 12mb L2 cache, Bloomfield will have 1mb L2 and 8mb L3 cache. Clock per clock it should be faster, but how much :shrug:



This is all really interesting stuff. Keep posting up the good finds!

2/3 of the stuff in this thread are just reposts from http://www.nehalemnews.com/

http://bp0.blogger.com/_kttUtY0Z_zw/SH_6EEgvCvI/AAAAAAAAAYE/xhavG4BffFc/s400/bloomfield-spec-sm.png

If $284 rumor is true, then :clap:

[Kingcarcas]

Looks like we'll never see single cores phased out :shrug: Celeron dual core is only $10 more than a Celeron 420 so what's the point......

[Jim Morbid]

Looks like we'll never see single cores phased out :shrug: Celeron dual core is only $10 more than a Celeron 420 so what's the point......

Are there single cores in Nehalem? Haven't seen anything listed personally.

JM

[scooter.jay]

nice to see more info coming through but i will wait until it has been tested abit first before.

[pH(x)]

Depends on the application I guess. Yorkfield has 12mb L2 cache, Bloomfield will have 1mb L2 and 8mb L3 cache. Clock per clock it should be faster, but how much :shrug:




2/3 of the stuff in this thread are just reposts from http://www.nehalemnews.com/

http://bp0.blogger.com/_kttUtY0Z_zw/SH_6EEgvCvI/AAAAAAAAAYE/xhavG4BffFc/s400/bloomfield-spec-sm.png

If $284 rumor is true, then :clap:

If there is a 15%+ improvement clock for clock I will be happy. 30% increase and I will be ecstatic.

[majestik]

Are there single cores in Nehalem? Haven't seen anything listed personally.

JM

He's referring to the diagram in first post, showing E1xxx and 4xx celeries all the way into 2009.

[Jim Morbid]

Ah thanks. Spot the blind man.

Suppose Intel thinks that the margins that they loose from putting a dual core on a celeron is not worth it. I think there are still a lot of people that want the 'absolute cheapest CPU' regardless if for $10 more you can get a dual core.

Bet Intel thinks that market is massive and lowering the cost per chip to bet that low cost chip is worth it.

JM

[Flip_Lx]

well there are still people who don't need a dual core cpu and if intel can cut production costs and still sell them why not? My sister for instance is only getting a dual core because shes getting my old parts all she uses a pc for is email, internet and downloading/printing pictures from her camera. a dual core will hardly effect that in anyway (unless shes somehow using photoshop for the pictures with having asked me about it which would mean she learned computers and well thats a scary notion) i'm sure many people that can fit into the above descritipion

[bowman]

That's where the Atom nettops fit in.

[Ice009]

Hey guys,

I was about to upgrade to a Q9550 and an X48 motherboard and was wondering when you think Nehalem will be worth buying? How many months from now? Someone suggested to me to not waste my money and instead get a P45 board with either a Dual Core or a Q6600 for the time being and spend the big bucks when Nehalem comes out. Which upgrade path should I go with?

I guess I will be able to afford the mainstream edition, but is that going to be Overclockable? or does no one know that yet? I mean I can probably wait around 6-9 months, but if it's going to be over a year from now before it's worth upgrading to I can't wait that long. How were the Core 2 Duo's upon release were there many bugs between the Motherboard's and processors upon launch?

[Jim Morbid]

Its so difficult to say. With technology you could always be waiting for the next best thing to come out before you upgrade and end up never buying anything at all. But because of the major socket change I would say that you should hold off on your purchase and wait for release, especially if you can wait and its not that far away.

As for launch bugs, I think there is always a degree of problems when a new chipset and socket go public but, again, this is extermely difficult to predict. AMD had a pretty good A64 and x2 launch and then a terrible Phenom one.

Wait for Nehalem, and wait for a good amount of reviews before you pull the trigger.

JM

[adamsleath]

As well as the 3.2GHz chip, DigiTimes also claims that Intel will introduce a 2.93GHz Bloomfield CPU that costs $562 US (£281.55), and a cheaper 2.66GHz chip for $284 US (£142.27). All the chips will use Intel’s new LGA1366 socket, says the site.
http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/604494/rumour-control-first-nehalem-cpus-to-be-33-cheaper.html

[Ice009]

Its so difficult to say. With technology you could always be waiting for the next best thing to come out before you upgrade and end up never buying anything at all. But because of the major socket change I would say that you should hold off on your purchase and wait for release, especially if you can wait and its not that far away.

As for launch bugs, I think there is always a degree of problems when a new chipset and socket go public but, again, this is extermely difficult to predict. AMD had a pretty good A64 and x2 launch and then a terrible Phenom one.

Wait for Nehalem, and wait for a good amount of reviews before you pull the trigger.

JM

That's the thing though. I cannot wait. I've waited 4 months already for the Q9450's here. The system I am using at the moment is like 5,6 years old.

Now knowing all that should I get a cheaper system (Q6600 or E8400) which will still smash my current one or just get the Q9550 and X48 combo? What do you think?

[Jim Morbid]

I would wait just because of the change in the socket type. But then again I'm not using a 6 year old pc :P

JM

[adamsleath]

wait, dont wait, it's your choice.


Q9550 and X48
got money to burn?


The system I am using at the moment is like 5,6 years old.
what is it?

[Ice009]

I was just asking what you guys would do if it was you that had to make the decision. I wasn't looking for "you'll be waiting forever" that everyone always says. Adamsleath I can't afford to do these upgrades all the time. If I had money to burn I wouldn't have asked this question in the first place ;). So if you guys want to tell me what you would do great, if not that's cool too.

Anyway maybe we should get back on topic. Does anyone have any new links or articles about Nehalem? Or is there just not much info going around about it yet?

[diegodon]

I was in the same exact predicament as you, and I chose to build now instead of waiting for Nehalem. Honestly, you can't put off waiting to build because you'll be waiting forever for the new stuff on the horizon.

Check out my pc at: http://youtube.com/diegodon127

[adamsleath]

I can't afford to do these upgrades all the time.
yes you build infrequent but want the 'best' when you do sort of thing? anyway that's the impression i get.
im not sure how much better nehalem core is to penryn, but im pretty sure N is better, even in single threaded apps.
multithreaded perf. is definitely improved.
N is a whole new socket plus ddr3 to start with....

but a ddr2 penryn thing will be alot cheaper. 9550/9450 chips arent what i call budget, even with the small price cuts coming soon from Intel.

either get cheaper system upgrades more frequently or buy big infrequently, and if you are in 'buy big infrequently', then Nehalem is for you.

or get 9550 when price cuts hit and be happy for the next 5 years :?:confused:
best chance of a 4.0GHz quad imo.

Nehalem is still a fair wait for the non-extreme parts, i think.

and there are any number of cheaper options that would be better than what you have now.
q6600, e7200, etc. P45 chipset...

[TheScavenger]

I was in the same exact predicament as you, and I chose to build now instead of waiting for Nehalem. Honestly, you can't put off waiting to build because you'll be waiting forever for the new stuff on the horizon.l]

I felt the same exact way for awhile. I felt hesitant to build a system when Nehalem was just 'around the corner'. Then I realized we really don't know much about Nehalem whereas LGA775 is already a proven performer in overclocking. I'm not touching the Nehalem architecture until the mainstream stuff comes out AND its potential is proven. Until then I might buy a DDR3, P45 board until this time next year.

I like your video but the music is really distracting :up:

[loonym]

That's the thing though. I cannot wait. I've waited 4 months already for the Q9450's here. The system I am using at the moment is like 5,6 years old.

Now knowing all that should I get a cheaper system (Q6600 or E8400) which will still smash my current one or just get the Q9550 and X48 combo? What do you think?You can have a lot of fun with either a q6600 or an e8400 and a decent budget board. DDR2 is dirt cheap and there are tons of great cards at great prices. Good times for a 'tide over' system.

[darcon]

I'm holding off until Nehalem.
Heck, I'm even holding off on upgrading my video card until next year.

If I can do it, so can you!

[Anemone]

I'm holding off - but the first wave will be probably kind of pricey.

The deal is though, that IF you do wait, when the new stuff comes out the old stuff gets even cheaper than now. Which means you save money or you get the latest tech. Waiting a couple more months will feel like wisdom later :)

[minaelromany]

I've also had a 5 years old PC and was thinking about upgrading but had no money :D

When money came , my mobo and vid card died (Thank God!) and I was in the same dilemma :

Buy now or wait for Nehalem ?

I got : Q6600@3.4

P35 Mobo

8800GT

2x1GB DDR2 1066

Very cheap and very fast PC :clap:

I didn't want to waste money on Q9450/X48 when much cheaper parts would perform the same (maybe a bit lower) but for price/performance ratio you can't go wrong with Q6600/P35

I did that upgrade 2 months ago and I don't think Performance Nehalem Platform will be affordable till Q3 2009 , so for now my PC will serve me exceptionally well and for a whole year to come ;)

[adamsleath]

Heck, I'm even holding off on upgrading my video card until next year.
empire total war: release february '09 :D should be some developments in hware by then, and im not even thinking Nehalem.

[Razmatazz]

I feel like a beta tester getting the X48 and my ram to play nice, having to adjust clock skews and such. Fun at times yes, but also a great pain in the backside more often then not. I have the money to burn and wan't the best but I can tell you that after my current system headaches, I'm definately waiting for a bit. By the time I'm ready to upgrade again, my current system will go to my son and hopefully the new system will be more fun then headache.

[majestik]

Rumors or not

Originally scheduled to launch in November or December this year, Intel's Nehalem-based Bloomfield processors will now launch in September along with X58 chipsets, sources at motherboard makers have revealed.
However, the sources pointed out that CPUs and motherboards will not officially appear in the channel until early October
Nehalem in september - more likely than you think!

http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/07/rumor-nehalem-launch-in-september.html

[Ice009]

Can someone tell me how the pronounce the name Nehalem? How the heck do you say it?

[Riggs]

Nay-haw-lem maybe?