Crucial Ballistix DDR3-2000 BL2KIT12864BE2009

[TheGoat Eater]

These were given to me for use by Crucial
I would like to thank them for the use of the sample:wave::buddies:



Specs
Capacity: 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Speed: DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000)
Cas Latency: 9
Timing: 9-9-9-28
Voltage: 1.9V
Heat Spreader: Yes
Features: SLI-Ready
Recommend Use: High Performance or Gaming Memory


http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3928/ballistixddr320001dj6.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2172/ballistixddr320002rl0.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3113/ballistixddr320006rq9.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5397/ballistixddr3200011yo3.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2277/ballistixddr3200012vc6.jpg


A Start - I am working on settings for higher speeds but I popped them in @ DDR3-1800 w/ 7-7-7-24 2T P1 enabled... I got into windows and forgot about memset still loading the old profile 7-6-6-16 2T... well I had Everest opened up and did a quick test and was pleasantly surprised with the read speed (just have the free right now.. I don't have the extra cash to purchase the full version right at this moment ->
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4629/wowfy3.jpg

Will update w/ further results


UPDATED

some tinkering w/ 1T: sub-timings on auto

800MHz - P1 and P2 auto
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3441/160066616fp1.jpg

900MHz - P1 and P2 enabled
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/492/1800p1p2cr1uf1.jpg

925 MHz -P1 and P2 both enabled
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6130/p1p2zi9.jpg

1000MHz - P1 and p2 on auto
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2161/2000cr1nb4.jpg

BEST OF ALL (So Far): P1 and P2 enabled
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6392/185376617allonwm3.jpg


My conclusion after about 5 hours : I think 12~~~ is were its at - though I think it would be best served using a QX that could do 450MHz and just up the multi from there as 450 linked 2:1 seems to give best performance - w/ 7-6-6-16 1T P1&P2 though it will be interesting to see these on a intel chipset... that may be in the books for me - we will see, may get some 4850s and play with them :D

[jugeen]

have a good job TGE! waiting for results! :up:

[TheGoat Eater]

Best so Far

P1 and P2 both enabled
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6130/p1p2zi9.jpg

[scooter.jay]

Nice clocks will you testing 1T to see how far they go? Still good sticks so far.

[TheGoat Eater]

its a EVGA 790i Ultra - so not really 1T friendly

EDIT- stupid of me to say that ;)

[Gautam]

1T works great on 790i...give it a whirl...

[3oh6]

1T works great on 790i...give it a whirl...
confirmed many times over.

BTW, any chance of finding out what ICs are on your kit of these sticks?

[DaMulta]

Same ram on a ASUS 790i

I still need to install everst, and this is my first try on T1.

This is linked

http://img.techpowerup.org/080712/t1noer.jpg

[Kasparz]

Jesus, just go into BIOS and Enable EPP, it will do a lot better than you did with manual settings :)
Why people show results that are under default mfg specs? This is xtremesystems.

[jugeen]

it happens sometimes, but that's not such a big problem scrolling over it. :)

[TheGoat Eater]

1T works great on 790i...give it a whirl...

confirmed many times over.

BTW, any chance of finding out what ICs are on your kit of these sticks?

Same ram on a ASUS 790i

I still need to install everst, and this is my first try on T1.

This is linked

http://img.techpowerup.org/080712/t1noer.jpg

Thanks for clarifying this guys - will try - it is now 2:53am and I just woke up - since last posting in this forum, wasted the whole day :( :shrug::D

EDIT: 3oh6 - will try to remove the heatspreader but am scared about breaking them :D IDK how much presure I can exert on them

[dinos22]

its a EVGA 790i Ultra - so not really 1T friendly

lol tried three different boards (reference) and no issues with 1T what so ever :up:

[TheGoat Eater]

lol tried three different boards (reference) and no issues with 1T what so ever :up:

Cool - thanks - it may have just been the memory I was using atm... or that I gave up on it a long time ago (early BIOSs)

[DaMulta]

Thanks for clarifying this guys - will try - it is now 2:53am and I just woke up - since last posting in this forum, wasted the whole day :( :shrug::D

EDIT: 3oh6 - will try to remove the heatspreader but am scared about breaking them :D IDK how much presure I can exert on them

You might not even see the chips names because they stamp them with their name.

I got down to 8-6-6-24 t1 so far.

Still playing.

I set a setting then test for an hour or more then move it down one and do it again.

[jugeen]

the original writing can be seen on the chips but not so clearly.

[TheGoat Eater]

some tinkering w/ 1T: sub-timings on auto

900MHz - P1 and P2 enabled
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/492/1800p1p2cr1uf1.jpg

1000MHz - P1 and p2 on auto
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2161/2000cr1nb4.jpg

800MHz - P1 and P2 auto
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3441/160066616fp1.jpg

BEST OF ALL (So Far): P1 and P2 enabled
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6392/185376617allonwm3.jpg


EDIT: I think 12 is were its at - though I think it would be best served using a QX that could do 450MHz and just up the multi from there as 450 linked 2:1 seems to give best performance - w/ 7-6-16 1T P1&P2 though it will be interesting to see these on a intel chipset... that may be in the books for me - we will see, may get some 4850s and play with them :D

Will add this to OP

[TheGoat Eater]

lol tried three different boards (reference) and no issues with 1T what so ever :up:

I should call myself at this one first as when I first tried way back when I couldn't do it and never tried again - Ignorance is not an excuse... is that how it goes? :confused:

confirmed many times over.

BTW, any chance of finding out what ICs are on your kit of these sticks?

The heat spreader has a very strong bond IDK if I can get it off w/o taking a chip off...

[jugeen]

hairdryer is your tool. without heating the HS the bond won't release.

[TheGoat Eater]

hairdryer is your tool. without heating the HS the bond won't release.

exactly my thought :up:

[3oh6]

The heat spreader has a very strong bond IDK if I can get it off w/o taking a chip off...
Ballistix use one of the easiest thermal adhesives to remove in the industry and like Jugeen said, a good shot with the hair dryer will make it much easier. with that said, there is still a risk and if your not 100% comfortable with it...don't let some jerk in a forum convince you to potentially damage your memory.

BTW...i'm the jerk :D

but seriously...if your not comfortable doing it then definitely don't. nothing can replace that feeling when you scrap a kit of nice memory.

[TheGoat Eater]

yeah I am a little hesitant but I also am not sure if I am allowed to ;) so I will check and try if I am allowed :up:

[jugeen]

it doesn't worth to do itif you hesitate. although to get a HS off is easy i don't recommend you to do it if this were first time making naked RAM.

[TheGoat Eater]

it doesn't worth to do itif you hesitate. although to get a HS off is easy i don't recommend you to do it if this were first time making naked RAM.

yeah I am a little hesitant but I also am not sure if I am allowed to ;) so I will check and try if I am allowed :up:

You didn't read into the comment I made... have a second look:up::yepp::D;)

[jugeen]

You didn't read into the comment I made... have a second look:up::yepp::D;)

got it

[jugeen]

can you see the height of chip from a side?

[dinos22]

I should call myself at this one first as when I first tried way back when I couldn't do it and never tried again - Ignorance is not an excuse... is that how it goes? :confused:



The heat spreader has a very strong bond IDK if I can get it off w/o taking a chip off...

i had one of those kits
i don't know if the ICs were the same or not but i had no issues with 1T
however i did read a while back when ppl first started OCing that some just could not run for the life of them.......i don't know if it was SPD or something else..from memory i think someone had a crucial kit which didn't cooperate but at the same time you'd have another user with a similar setup say it did......it was just all very odd in the beginning

it could be your board or SPD you never know i guess :shrug:

[dinos22]

please don't remove heatspreaders
it will gain you nothing and could pull off an IC
i don't know about crucial but i know if you try this :banana::banana::banana::banana: with corsair you are likely to pull off a bit more with the heatspreader than just adhesive as we've just seen recently on i4memory with one of our members :(

[TheGoat Eater]

i had one of those kits
i don't know if the ICs were the same or not but i had no issues with 1T
however i did read a while back when ppl first started OCing that some just could not run for the life of them.......i don't know if it was SPD or something else..from memory i think someone had a crucial kit which didn't cooperate but at the same time you'd have another user with a similar setup say it did......it was just all very odd in the beginning

it could be your board or SPD you never know i guess :shrug:

NO - my first pair of DDR3 was G.Skill (CHEAPO STUFF:rolleyes:) then I got OCZ PLATINUM 7-7-7-20 (D9 JNL) and I tried a couple of times to run 1T without success (only at lower timings)... I think at the time I was a DDR3 newbie or a immature BIOs (think it was me :D )

But let me clarify these have no problems running 1t :up: and you can look at screenies in first post and see the results/ timings

[TheGoat Eater]

please don't remove heatspreaders
it will gain you nothing and could pull off an IC
i don't know about crucial but i know if you try this :banana::banana::banana::banana: with corsair you are likely to pull off a bit more with the heatspreader than just adhesive as we've just seen recently on i4memory with one of our members :(

happy to get one set:up: :D;)but if I pull that stuff with these I may not see another pair :(:down::shakes:

[dinos22]

oh i see i see
well that's great than
other thing is 1T and 2T don't really make so much difference these days but hey we all run 1T heheheh :D
i want to see you break my 8800GT records
they should be fairly easy to break actually as my clocks are not very good on CPU nor cards :)

[TheGoat Eater]

oh i see i see
well that's great than
other thing is 1T and 2T don't really make so much difference these days but hey we all run 1T heheheh :D
i want to see you break my 8800GT records
they should be fairly easy to break actually as my clocks are not very good on CPU nor cards :)

Oh I am working on it - I will have to foot it on my own for the GTs but I figure I can come out on top after I sell my 9600GTs and all the GSOs only to buy some 8800GTs that I will get in trouble for getting :rofl:

[3oh6]

i don't know about crucial but i know if you try this :banana::banana::banana::banana: with corsair you are likely to pull off a bit more with the heatspreader than just adhesive as we've just seen recently on i4memory with one of our members :(
there is a world of difference between Crucials thermal adhesive (adhesive pad) and Corsairs thermal adhesive (cured on contact cement :D )

pulling heat spreaders isn't to try and get any more out of them, i was simply curious as to what was under them. it also sounds like this may have been given to you as a sample, if so, please state so. any time you have non-retail hardware and are posting results for it, you want to state so.

[dinos22]

jody
you should be able to get crucial guys to tell you what it is exactly from part and serial numbers right :)
but i see what you mean

[TheGoat Eater]

there is a world of difference between Crucials thermal adhesive (adhesive pad) and Corsairs thermal adhesive (cured on contact cement :D )

pulling heat spreaders isn't to try and get any more out of them, i was simply curious as to what was under them. it also sounds like this may have been given to you as a sample, if so, please state so. any time you have non-retail hardware and are posting results for it, you want to state so.

Fixed - in first post - didn't see any results so was eager to share... I am no reviewer (as you can see :rolleyes: ) but I got these for my personal use... my OCing setup :up:

[TheGoat Eater]

jody
you should be able to get crucial guys to tell you what it is exactly from part and serial numbers right :)
but i see what you mean

I too was thinking that - I can ask a guy that know a guy that would know a guy that would know :rofl::ROTF:

[3oh6]

jody
you should be able to get crucial guys to tell you what it is exactly from part and serial numbers right :)
but i see what you mean
nope, after my OC Report i spent a lot of time on the phone and they were unable to confirm exactly what ICs were on what kits based on serial numbers. i think i was getting the run around but i definitely put as much effort forth to find out that i could :(

[DaMulta]

They should be D9GTS

[Kasparz]

Well, Crucial can use both Microns or Samsungs. If you can you can do side picture from memory, and i can tell what IC's it have.

[TheGoat Eater]

just got the ok for removal of the heatspreaders :up: - who wants to see some naked ICs? :D

[Nanok]

Me me me me me !!!

[TheGoat Eater]

D9GTS!!!!! :up::up::up::rocker::toast: Takes A LOT of heat though to remove spreaders:rolleyes:

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3928/ballistixddr320001dj6.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2172/ballistixddr320002rl0.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3113/ballistixddr320006rq9.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5397/ballistixddr3200011yo3.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2277/ballistixddr3200012vc6.jpg


Thanks again Crucial for the set:wave::wiggle::buddies:


Want anything else?

[I34z1k]

Me!!! :D

Edit - Well a little later but at least I wanna :D Pics are loading now hahah:p:

[jugeen]

Thanks TGE for photos and thanks Crucial for permission! :up:

[TheGoat Eater]

Me!!! :D

Edit - Well a little later but at least I wanna :D Pics are loading now hahah:p:

Yeah sorry about that ;)- I see my app reverted to save as Max quality jpeg instead of normal medium I use for teh interwebz :rolleyes:

Thanks TGE for photos and thanks Crucial for permission! :up:
NP :up:- yeah wasn't sure if it was going to get off but it did after a while - that stuff is strong :(

[DaMulta]

Run ScienceMark (http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/170/), and see what you get Goat.


Nice pics:up:

[TheGoat Eater]

Here it is - MEM @ 912.9 MHz 7-6-6-16 1T... CPU @ 4335MHz (156.3 x 9.5)
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9274/smeb6.jpg

[-n7-]

I love seeing naked ICs :)

Thanx for doing the dirty work to tell us what's underneath TheGoat Eater

[DaMulta]

Good thing u had that heat gun laying around.

[TheGoat Eater]

I love seeing naked ICs :)

Thanx for doing the dirty work to tell us what's underneath TheGoat Eater

NP- I do what I can ;)

Good thing u had that heat gun laying around.

used a hair dryer - that heatgun I have would have melted the solder most likely:D

[DaMulta]

Lets see some dice runs!!!!

[TheGoat Eater]

all in good time - need a copper pot mes thinks - though I may try again soon with current aluminum pot

[jugeen]

i just ordered one kit like this form ebay. i hope its gonna be GTS.

[TheGoat Eater]

I think you will be happy w/ your purchase :D

[DaMulta]

i just ordered one kit like this form ebay. i hope its gonna be GTS.

It should be, reviews I read are GTS, Goats are, and mine are.

[3oh6]

It should be, reviews I read are GTS, Goats are, and mine are.
and here i was getting all kinds of flack because mine were but no one elses were. i think we can lay that to rest, although, not all kits are GTS...there definitely are a lot of D9JNL running around under the heat spreaders of this memory.

[DaMulta]

and here i was getting all kinds of flack because mine were but no one elses were. i think we can lay that to rest, although, not all kits are GTS...there definitely are a lot of D9JNL running around under the heat spreaders of this memory.

There very well could be, mine had errors at 2Ghz so I RMAed them(at 1600 passes it started to error). On the next set I will take the spreader off again, and be sure to post pics. I ran out of batteries for my camera before I could take pics of the last set:(

[TheGoat Eater]

i had one of those kits
i don't know if the ICs were the same or not but i had no issues with 1T
however i did read a while back when ppl first started OCing that some just could not run for the life of them.......i don't know if it was SPD or something else..from memory i think someone had a crucial kit which didn't cooperate but at the same time you'd have another user with a similar setup say it did......it was just all very odd in the beginning

it could be your board or SPD you never know i guess :shrug:

just as Dinos was saying

[Gautam]

and here i was getting all kinds of flack because mine were but no one elses were. i think we can lay that to rest, although, not all kits are GTS...there definitely are a lot of D9JNL running around under the heat spreaders of this memory.

Both yours and his are samples, and as are any in any review. (obviously) I was gonna buy a set to see what's up, but considering that my PC3-12800 seem on par or superior I doubt I will now. :p:

[3oh6]

Both yours and his are samples, and as are any in any review. (obviously) I was gonna buy a set to see what's up, but considering that my PC3-12800 seem on par or superior I doubt I will now. :p:
yeah but all samples simply go through Crucial retail orders like anyone else ordering, this has been confirmed 100%. and with those killer PC3-12800s...you definitely don't have to bother :D

[Gautam]

Oh I'm not suspecting handpicking or anything, but the fact you guys got it from Crucial direct might indicate older or at least a different stock.

All Crucial RAM screams, it's barely even worthwhile to handpick it lol.

[3oh6]

Oh I'm not suspecting handpicking or anything, but the fact you guys got it from Crucial direct might indicate older or at least a different stock.

All Crucial RAM screams, it's barely even worthwhile to handpick it lol.
yeah, thats the thing, it is so hard to say when and where everyone is getting their memory from. it is no different from the G.Skill HZs where older were GTR, and now it is a lottery of GTS, JNL, or who knows what anymore. not a fun time if your looking for a specific IC.

[Gautam]

My 1030 C7 set is from RMA, so it probably comes from more or less the same place your guys did. My earlier ones were from mwave.com. They were also good, but about 25MHz worse than these I'd say.

[M.Beier]

yeah, thats the thing, it is so hard to say when and where everyone is getting their memory from. it is no different from the G.Skill HZs where older were GTR, and now it is a lottery of GTS, JNL, or who knows what anymore. not a fun time if your looking for a specific IC.

And not fun at all since all current micron GTS has a bug, random freezing... And the classic GTR, the good ones, are on the old sticks...New isnt as strong... Just like we saw back in the day with WB chips... (BH5/CH5/BH6)...
But maybe, with DDR3, we are lucky and they will get better..... 1.35v micron might be interesting... (no, I cant get any and test - not yet)

[Boogerlad]

can't you take the heatspreader off by putting it in the freezer for an hour, and then yank the hs off?

[TheGoat Eater]

yeah but all samples simply go through Crucial retail orders like anyone else ordering, this has been confirmed 100%. and with those killer PC3-12800s...you definitely don't have to bother :D

Yeah I got the slip in front of me and it is just a Crucial store order - ordered by Crucial Promotions... so as far as I can see too along with 3oh6 this is not cherry picked and Gautum's suspicion that these may be older or different stock may hold water as I I usually never order from a company store - usually an e-tailer that has multiple brands (so I take it others follow that same line usually)

Oh I'm not suspecting handpicking or anything, but the fact you guys got it from Crucial direct might indicate older or at least a different stock.

All Crucial RAM screams, it's barely even worthwhile to handpick it lol.

I am anxious to crank up the volts;) and see if mine are on par with yours - so jealous :D:up:

[Gautam]

Judging from what 3oh6's got I don't think you need to worry, you'll probably be cruising past me and with 7-6-5 as well lol.

[TheGoat Eater]

Bringing the voltage today ( bring the thunda ) - I think I'll try running on fumes now...maybe after some sleep... anyways back to what I was going to post!:D

ok - just posted at EOCF and was linking to the product on Crucial's store (http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=BL2KIT12864BE2009) and happy to see/say it is a good $24 dollars less ($475.99 USD ) than newegg.com's (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148187)($499.99 USD) :up: good to see them having the better price:clap:

[jugeen]

my kit has just arrived at my door. i opened the package and from side of a module a big high chip can be seen. it must be GTS or GTR. :D

[jugeen]

i started to test this kit in Rampage Extreme and my experience was that dual channel is totally unstable even at 1800 CL8 w/ 2.0 vdimm. each sticks are rock stable in single channel mode. i dumped their spd and compared them and there is difference. maybe the S/N makes difference. tried to update one's spd to another but the latest spdtool gave error. so to swap the spd between sticks is impossible. 2000+ cl8 is easy for this mobo. if someone who has the same kit would send his spd i would appreciate it.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1037/cb2000wo5.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3526/cb200spdcompbr5.jpg

[Achill3uS]

looks interesting issue, and sad bro :(

[3oh6]

i started to test this kit in Rampage Extreme and my experience was that dual channel is totally unstable even at 1800 CL8 w/ 2.0 vdimm. each sticks are rock stable in single channel mode. i dumped their spd and compared them and there is difference. maybe the S/N makes difference. tried to update one's spd to another but the latest spdtool gave error. so to swap the spd between sticks is impossible. 2000+ cl8 is easy for this mobo. if someone who has the same kit would send his spd i would appreciate it.
yeah, the Rampage Extreme is hating my Ballistix sticks...they are doing better than yours but still nothing fantastic. 1030MHz is the absolute max at CL8 for single 32M or anything more strenuous that 1M. that is at 1.95v and more vDIMM isn't helping...clearly something is up with this MB. either that or the skews really need to be adjusted. i have played with them a bit but got no where really fast.

SPDTool should work for updating SPDs, i forget what version i was using for DDR3 that works fine but will post it and the PC3-16000 SPD from my sticks in about 1/2hour...i'll fire you a PM at that time too.

FWIW, i also found major issues with a kit of Mushkin Ascent PC3-12800 2x2GB kit that i suspect is Micron based as well. XMP wouldn't even run without switching to 2T and they wouldn't clock past 820MHz CL7 or CL8. a kit of G.Skill PC3-12800 PI 2x2GB are clocking no problem up to 900MHz CL7 with 1.95v so something is definitely not liking the Mushkin kit in this board.

check out the thread in my signature about the Rampage Extreme for any screenshots and more commentary by myself on the kits i have tested.

***here are the SPD files for both sticks, labeled -1 and -2***
http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/0807/ballistix_pc3-16000_1gb_d9gts-1.spd
http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/0807/ballistix_pc3-16000_1gb_d9gts-2.spd

SPD Tool 0.62 used for pulling the SPDs and this is the same version that works for writing SPDs to DDR3. it doesn't read them 100% and says that it isn't compatible or something when you go to write an SPD i think...but it works. i take no responsibility for a bad write ;)

[jugeen]

Thanks Jody for the SPDs. It's new for me that Crucial uses different SPD for each sticks. I try to get a new S2E mobo to check my kit in it. Maybe my mobo doesn't like it.

[TheKarmakazi]

please don't remove heatspreaders
it will gain you nothing and could pull off an IC
i don't know about crucial but i know if you try this :banana::banana::banana::banana: with corsair you are likely to pull off a bit more with the heatspreader than just adhesive as we've just seen recently on i4memory with one of our members :(

:shakes: Hmmm... I wonder who did such a dumb thing to suich nice ddr2 9136 dominators... I wonder....:rolleyes:

[TheGoat Eater]

FYI - this memory dropped to $401 on the EGG but remains at $475 on the Crucial site

[eva2000]

FYI - this memory dropped to $401 on the EGG but remains at $475 on the Crucial site

woah those prices are out of whack you can get the crucial ddr3-2000 here in OZ for AUD$369 or US$355

[WaterFlex]

Hmmm, not very good results

[TheGoat Eater]

woah those prices are out of whack you can get the crucial ddr3-2000 here in OZ for AUD$369 or US$355

yeah - the DDR3-1600 pair is sub $190 on Newegg as well...

[jugeen]

i just got my kit back form RMA. new kit is totally stable at 2000. :) i will do some tests soon as i have enough time for.

[TheGoat Eater]

14121 READ - on 790i ULTRA -pic!

[TheGoat Eater]

can someone suggest some of the sub timings to use @ or around 2000 8-7-7-24? I lost the cheat sheet I made from talking to BZ