120.3 replacement?

[mussafry]

I cant seem to find a site that sell a BLACK 120.3 Thermochill, is there a suitable replacement?

Maybe the GTX360?

[YugenM]

Mcr320?

[RealRedRaider]

I cant seem to find a site that sell a BLACK 120.3 Thermochill, is there a suitable replacement?

Maybe the GTX360?

Mcr320?

Neither of those rads mentioned is in the class of Thermochill PA120.3...

If you want to spend the money, go with a Feser rad (an overpriced Thermochill Copy)

[disruptfam]

360gtx comes close to 120.3 with high cfm fans.

But for cooling power and silence the 120.3 is hard to beat.

I'm not to sure on the feser though.

Haven't been comprehensively tested as of yet.

depends what your cooling really.

Mcr320 maybe an option

[madmaxx]

mcr-320 is a great RAD for the money

[systemviper]

mcr-320 is a great RAD for the money


:up: and it's one third the cost....

I will always by swiftech, love the 120.3

[DarthBeavis]

LOL . . .anyone wonder why Thermochills are hard to find? Hmmmm. Come on . . .someone from Thermochill chime in . . . LOL . . .are they going to be collectors' items? I hope not. My Daywalker case is already designed to take 7 of them . . .guess Ben could have the panels re cut for Black Ice . . .

[IanY]

Go to the company's UK site and order. They ship quite quickly to the US and shipping charges are not terrible.

Its only GBP 47.50 per PA120.3. Therefore, after shipping charges, its the same exact price as though you ordered from a US store and pay a present to UPS/FedEx.

[DarthBeavis]

Go to the company's UK site and order. They ship quite quickly to the US and shipping charges are not terrible.

I bet they are not shipping very quickly at the moment . . .

[dogin]

I have ordered two direct (one recently) and got a pretty fast turn around to US but dollar value hurts a little. They are great to deal with and in truth it appears to be the best overall choice.

[DarthBeavis]

I have ordered two direct (one recently) and got a pretty fast turn around to US but dollar value hurts a little. They are great to deal with and in truth it appears to be the best overall choice.

Define recently.

[Martinm210]

The MCR320 actually performs alot closer to the PA that it's given credit, especially with low CFM fans.

Take a look at thermochills c/w values for the MCR220 with Nexus fans at 1000RM and 1.5GPM
http://www.thermochill.com/PATesting/ALLcwVSFlowrate.jpg
The PA120.2 is running a c/w value of about .0475, and the MCR is running about a c/w value of .05

So for a 200watt heat load the PA120.2 would produce a water temperature of about 9.5 degrees and the MCR220 about 10.0 degrees.

The MCR is a good radiator, not quite up to double thickness performances, but closer than you might think with low speed fans. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Fesser rads and HWlabs rads compare as well.

[mcoffey]

Tell ya what,

The MCR320 is hard to beat given the cost. I was shocked to see how well it kept up with a the PA series rad using mid speed YL's. I'm using them for my crunchers to keep the cost down, and they cool very very well.

andyc

[XS_RoB]

Damn Already........ will someone please just drop the bomb? Jeeeeesshhhh O_o

Is Thermochill done? Have they closed up shop? Is Marci ok? Did the slumping economy Kill Thermochill's Buisness?

I keep reading in various posts - innuendos - that they are no more or a close proximity to that.

Just tell us already. : /

[Jimmer411]

Neither of those rads mentioned is in the class of Thermochill PA120.3...

If you want to spend the money, go with a Feser rad (an overpriced Thermochill Copy)




Both of those rads are in the same class as the PA120.3. Plus you can get almost 3 MCR320 for the price of 1 PA120.3

Id like to see one person that noticed a temp drop going from a MCR320 to a PA120.3.

Unless your using a yateloon thats spinning below 900RPM, you still wont notice 1C temps. And both rads have been shown to outperform the TC with 80CFM+ fans ;)


Common misconception is you get what you pay for, and the PA being more expensive makes it better. Look at the prices of the PA in the UK and compare the strength of the euro to the weak weak dollar aswell as shipping fees and you will see why there is such a large price difference.

[septim]

2 MCR320s should suffice, although a bit overkill...

is this statement correct:
most rads will perform equal or greater than a PA rad given enough fan rpms...

[RealRedRaider]

@Jimmer411...

I didn't buy my PA120.3's because they are expensive, I bought them due to the fact that many people praised them for their cooling ability with lowspeed fans.

[YMAA]

Fesser advertised their rads as Thermochill killers...there can't be a connection...can there?

[RealRedRaider]

Fesser advertised their rads as Thermochill killers...there can't be a connection...can there?

LOL... Maybe...

[Anemic]

@Jimmer411...

I didn't buy my PA120.3's because they are expensive, I bought them due to the fact that many people praised them for their cooling ability with lowspeed fans.

+1!

BUT, Im going to try a MCR320 next time I need to upgrade. Sometimes you want to squeez onother rad in somewhere and the Thermochills are pretty big.

[RealRedRaider]

+1!

BUT, Im going to try a MCR320 next time I need to upgrade. Sometimes you want to squeez onother rad in somewhere and the Thermochills are pretty big.

+1 Me, too. Will be building a MM H2GO for my son towards the end of the year, planning on using a PA120.2 (that I'm not currently using) and buying a MCR220.

[DarthBeavis]

Damn Already........ will someone please just drop the bomb? Jeeeeesshhhh O_o

Is Thermochill done? Have they closed up shop? Is Marci ok? Did the slumping economy Kill Thermochill's Buisness?

I keep reading in various posts - innuendos - that they are no more or a close proximity to that.

Just tell us already. : /


Let someone from Thermochill answer that one . . as for Marci . . .I thought he left Thermochill months ago . . .

[IanY]

Darn.. DarthBeavis.. if the shoe fits, wear it...

Relax on the Thermochill already, man. They still produce a great product, and all companies are entitled to have cash cycle woes. Theirs is a problem of inadequate capital investment.. and you can't get that if you are barely breaking even on the radiators and lack venture capital. It can't be easy collecting receivables from distributor clients all around the world, and yet the local suppliers probably give only 15 day terms.

This computer equipment business is as tough as it gets.

[IanY]

+1 Me, too. Will be building a MM H2GO for my son towards the end of the year, planning on using a PA120.2 (that I'm not currently using) and buying a MCR220.


RRR, think about it. With the cost differential between filling an Ascension with PAs vs. filling the Ascension with MCRs, you probably can buy a UFO-CYO, or at least a H2-Go.

[RealRedRaider]

Darn.. DarthBeavis.. if the shoe fits, wear it...

Relax on the Thermochill already, man. They still produce a great product, and all companies are entitled to have cash cycle woes. Theirs is a problem of inadequate capital investment.. and you can't get that if you are barely breaking even on the radiators and lack venture capital. It can't be easy collecting receivables from distributor clients all around the world, and yet the local suppliers probably give only 15 day terms.

This computer equipment business is as tough as it gets.

You don't have a clue as to what tough is...

The computer equipment business is as tough as it gets???

Try selling Asphalt bud... I work as the lead saleman for the largest asphalt producer in S.E. Texas. Our primary ingredient is OIL. Chew on that for a minute... Our cost per ton to manufacture asphalt has risen $11.25/ton in the past 3 weeks. We are being forced to honor contracts signed 6-12 months ago. Want to talk about some REAL losses??? New commercial construction within 120 miles of Houston has ground to a halt... This time last year, we were producing on average 15,000-18,000 tons of asphalt per day (at 8 plants). This year, we are lucky to produce 3,000 tons per day. We have laid off 21 people and temporarily closed 4 of our plants.

Sorry OP, don't mean to get off topic, but the above comment irritated me...

[RealRedRaider]

RRR, think about it. With the cost differential between filling an Ascension with PAs vs. filling the Ascension with MCRs, you probably can buy a UFO-CYO, or at least a H2-Go.

But the difference, I DID NOT / NOR DO I care to buy MCR's for my own personal build...

[IanY]

But the difference, I DID NOT / NOR DO I care to buy MCR's for my own personal build...

Hey, dittos that comment over here. Its a pure PA shop here, except for two less important machines.

[NaeKuh]

Id like to see one person that noticed a temp drop going from a MCR320 to a PA120.3.


:rofl:

is this a challange? :rofl:

you know i could pull this off easily.

i'll just drop 3 gtx cards on the loop :rofl::ROTF:

[NaeKuh]

Yes I know, bud. I'm in the turnaround business, and I deal with turnarounds and bankruptcies all day long.

One element that is not present in building materials is R&D and amortization of intangible assets.

My company laid of 45,000 employees last year, and another 40,000 this year (probably me as well). Not trying to get into a pissing contest.

...

the economy is hit hard.

I see it in my business as well.

What used to be everyone asking for mutual funds, now everyone is asking for income gaurentee products.

Lucky for me, since we have products to meet inflation, business has been good for me. :\

Its easy to sell a 5 million dollar annuity right now with a promise of paying 6% income for the rest of your life. :D

[RealRedRaider]

Yes I know, bud. I'm in the turnaround business, and I deal with turnarounds and bankruptcies all day long.

One element that is not present in building materials is R&D and amortization of intangible assets.

My company laid off 45,000 employees last year, and another 40,000 this year (probably me as well). Not trying to get into a pissing contest, but DON'T TELL ME WHAT I DON'T KNOW....

Pity you didn't hedge using forward contracts.

My bad, we're cool bud....

I can now see you're in the know...

[DRT-Maverick]

Great... 400K to be safe... Ah screw it I'm not going back to school I'll never be able to afford it now. What is education becoming only for the rich again? Screw waiting tables...

Anyway I'm using an MCR and I'm thoroughly impressed, except I bought the wrong size... I got the 220 instead of the 320 so...

Anyway good luck w/ a replacement! If you use that feser let us know how it performs.

[RealRedRaider]

Pity you didn't hedge using forward contracts... I believe light sweet crude was at $48 not too long ago.

Our problem in Texas is that only one refiner cracks and produces Asphalt Oil... They have a Bill Gates monopoly going on... We get these random e-mails, usually on Fridays, informing of the price increase taking effect the next business day... We are one of the largest purchasers of Asphalt oil in the State of Texas... I guarantee prices only till I hang up the phone. Our cost has risen over $15/ton this year.

[DarthBeavis]

Darn.. DarthBeavis.. if the shoe fits, wear it...

Relax on the Thermochill already, man. They still produce a great product, and all companies are entitled to have cash cycle woes. Theirs is a problem of inadequate capital investment.. and you can't get that if you are barely breaking even on the radiators and lack venture capital. It can't be easy collecting receivables from distributor clients all around the world, and yet the local suppliers probably give only 15 day terms.

This computer equipment business is as tough as it gets.

Dude, TC is the darling of these forums. Any news related to TC is fit to discuss . . .I just hoped they would come here and let us know what is up. There is always a solution . . .HWlabs seems to do pretty well as does Swiftech . . .what are they doing that TC is not? Hope they get it worked out.

[RealRedRaider]

. There is always a solution . . .HWlabs seems to do pretty well as does Swiftech . . .what are they doing that TC is not? Hope they get it worked out.

Probably run a more efficient operation and have a better handle on their costs... My :2cents:

[Waterlogged]

Probably run a more efficient operation and have a better handle on their costs... My :2cents:

Yep....most likely an automated assembly line. Much easier to set one up in a factory that's never had a union.

[NaeKuh]

My "financial advisor" told me that I should have $400K stashed away for college "to be safe." What sort of crap is that? Told my son that the state U has a great basketball team roflmao.. worried look on his face :)

he add the 6% inflation to that?

IV leauge, i advice my clients at least 500k. Including the OOPPs dad i need more money clause. Or dad the boys are going to ABC beach for summer. Can i go?

Dude, TC is the darling of these forums. Any news related to TC is fit to discuss . . .I just hoped they would come here and let us know what is up. There is always a solution . . .HWlabs seems to do pretty well as does Swiftech . . .what are they doing that TC is not? Hope they get it worked out.

fighting libor, while we are praising prime. :shrug:

[IanY]

Guys, there are no two ways about it. The way to have a better supply of Thermochills is to have foreign-based manufacturing. Marci said that their profit margins are razor thin. Of course.. UK labor. How do you think Swiftech can sell a MCR320 for just $52 to $55 ? At least they speak English well in India. Otherwise, its China. HWLabs takes care of their manufacturing in Manila, and even that's getting expensive.

[gojirasan]

What is education becoming only for the rich again?
At least in the US it is already true. I have never had more than say $2500 in a bank account ever in my entire life and I am approaching 40. These days I almost never have more than about $200-$300 in my account. I cannot even begin to imagine how someone could afford $40,000+ per year per child for 4 years. If these same people didn't have kids they could be driving Ferraris (and paying for the gas!) and spending time on their yachts. I don't understand how the universities are still full. Are there really so many rich people in the US? Back in '88 when I went to uni even schools like Harvard and Princeton were barely more than $20,000 per year IIRC and there were private universities for about $10,000 per year. Even public universities are typically at least double what they were then. I guess that is the answer though: public universities. I think only the rich elite can afford American private universities now.

If I had kids I would plan on sending them either to a public school with reasonable prices or to a university in a different country. I've heard Indian universities are pretty affordable and classes are taught in English. Also, unless my child were a genuinely intelligent intellectual type with a strong interest in a particular major I wouldn't even pay for a public school. It seems like there are lots of college students who don't have any specific interests and are mainly at college because it is expected and normal and a cool and fun social scene. Not because they care about learning, studying, or thinking.

[DarthBeavis]

We sock away $500/month for our son's 529 college plan . . .He just turned 7 and already has probably 15k or so in there. Good thing is no one can take it out early . . .

I personally think the US and A should charge tuition for K-12 then have college/tech school be free . . .of course the students would have to get good grades to get in and must have a solid direction . . .no under-water basket weaving degrees and career students . . .and yes, no women's studies . . .

[HaCKs]

I just recieved an email about a week ago from Danger Den telling me that the PA 120.3 is back in stock....

[philbrown23]

I just recieved an email about a week ago from Danger Den telling me that the PA 120.3 is back in stock....

wtf? dangerden sells thermochills now??? I thought they were a part of hw-labs?

[septim]

philbrown you are mistaken...

DangerDen sells them Thermochills, they are the distributor of Thermochill products before and up to now... in fact i got my PA120.2 from them year 2006...
HWLabs are the ones producing those Black ICE series rads... gtx480, gtx560 monster rads couple with some 3000rpm fans and you'd have lift off...

[DarthBeavis]

I just recieved an email about a week ago from Danger Den telling me that the PA 120.3 is back in stock....

I was there Sunday and can say IT IS NOT. No way, no how.

[IanY]

I was the Sunday and can say IT IS NOT. No way, no how.

I just checked across all the popular stores today (at least the ones I know). There are none.

[DarthBeavis]

The current rate is $50K a year for tuition, room and board plus meals, excluding all incidentals and books, and excluding trips home and vacations. That's at the college I went to.

It wasn't $20K in 1988. My tuition alone was over $20K when I graduated in 1986. When I got to business school, the whole bill for two years was $90K, and that was in the late 1980s.

I hate to imagine what four years of top notch medical school costs these days, and don't think you'll get much financial aid at medical school.

After all that, after finishing four years of college, and then four years of medical school, and two years of residency, can you believe that about a quarter of the new doctors are unemployed, or under-employed?




Remember that you need to take the 46 * (1 + 0.08).

For you, DarthBeavis, its 46 * (1.08) ^ 10 = about $100K a year (say $150K because that figure is ultra conservative) in 10 years, and that's without the sports car, the girlfriend and the summer trips to Daytona Beach :) Still think $500 a month is enough?

when we met with out financial consultant a few years ago the amount we needed to sock away was about 1k/month to have around 300-350k for him to go to an Ivy League school by the time he is ready . . .well, we decided we would go this route and if he needs more we will use other money . . .

[DarthBeavis]

wtf? dangerden sells thermochills now??? I thought they were a part of hw-labs?
HW-Labs owns Danger Den? Wow. I will make sure I let the DD guys know they need to answer to HW-Labs from here on out. They are sorely misinformed . . .

I think TC is having people go straight through them or at least some people . . .

[lilmanmgf]

when we met with out financial consultant a few years ago the amount we needed to sock away was about 1k/month to have around 300-350k for him to go to an Ivy League school by the time he is ready . . .well, we decided we would go this route and if he needs more we will use other money . . .

That much money for an Ivy? At least some of them have had a reality check. My sister is looking at Yale, and it would be cheaper than a SUNY school. I just finished my first two years at a community college. My four year is knocking off about 10 grand, and I can commute. When all is said and done I'll owe under 20 grand for my Undergrad, parent are paying half. We will see how grad school goes...

[biftek.]

I thought TC tried to have their rads mass produced but because of the fin density were unable to find a fab process good enough to build their rads.
Thus they hand make them.
At least I think I read that somewhere at some time...

[DarthBeavis]

That much money for an Ivy? At least some of them have had a reality check. My sister is looking at Yale, and it would be cheaper than a SUNY school. I just finished my first two years at a community college. My four year is knocking off about 10 grand, and I can commute. When all is said and done I'll owe under 20 grand for my Undergrad, parent are paying half. We will see how grad school goes...

I went to a community college first as did my wife (she has a medical doctorate and I am in an MBA program currently). Nothing wrong with that route at all.

[DarthBeavis]

I thought TC tried to have their rads mass produced but because of the fin density were unable to find a fab process good enough to build their rads.
Thus they hand make them.
At least I think I read that somewhere at some time...

I would love to hear from TC how they make their rads or if they are outsourced . . .I suspect the latter . . .if not why would there be many many months between shipments . . .

[NaeKuh]

I personally think the US and A should charge tuition for K-12 then have college/tech school be free . . .of course the students would have to get good grades to get in and must have a solid direction . . .no under-water basket weaving degrees and career students . . .and yes, no women's studies . . .

This is a problem in LA.

Where the schools are being filled with illegal's or parents of illegals.

:\


So no, most of the fortunate in LA send there kids to privite. I was a product of public school elementry -> UCSB!. When i went it wasnt so bad.

My brother whose 10 yrs apart, is a product of privite school (graduated stanford) and he costed a BIYATCH.

when we met with out financial consultant a few years ago the amount we needed to sock away was about 1k/month to have around 300-350k for him to go to an Ivy League school by the time he is ready . . .well, we decided we would go this route and if he needs more we will use other money . . .

Once again did your FA account for 6% inflation? You better go see him.
Also market returns this year was VERY VERY BAD. DB, just go see him.

Remember im a Financial Planner as well. What we assumed 2 yrs ago, is NOT going to happen with today's market.

[YugenM]

I would love to hear from TC how they make their rads or if they are outsourced . . .I suspect the latter . . .if not why would there be many many months between shipments . . .

http://www.thermochill.com/plant1.php

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

well theres a pa120.3 at my local microcenter for like 150$ lol maybe i should get get it and stash it in my attic :P

[LogAn'sRun]

Did a little checking with some suppliers here in the EU. . .

We currently have 4 in stock, and I am unware when we will have anymore left.
Shipping would cost: £14.75, and will take roughly 7 days to arrive.


that is from Overclockers.co.uk and if I'm not mistaken they were the front shop for TC for a while, but now the links seem to be broken?? Anyway, haven't heard anything back yet from TC, maybe some others will have luck.

About schooling, don't want to cast oil (usch, maybe that's the wrong metaphor) ok, gas into the fire then, but here in SWE schooling is free. All the way to University.

[The[R]eaper]

i just read through this thread and it hit me that we havent seen very many people from companies posting here anymore.

like marci, gabe, cathar....

when i joined they were pretty active on here.. and please dont tell me TC is gone :shocked: no.. no . noooooooo! i want to have at least all their rads lol

just need 120.1, 120.2, and pa160 <---which i might get soon.

about the school thing.. i went to community college for a quarter (on bowling scholarship) and have been saving since to go back. i checked into financial aid and was ineligible. sigh..

[Jimmer411]

@Jimmer411...

I didn't buy my PA120.3's because they are expensive, I bought them due to the fact that many people praised them for their cooling ability with lowspeed fans.


Well this is a TC forum. Goto a Ford forum and chances are no one is going to reccomend you guy a Silverado ;)




:rofl:

is this a challange? :rofl:

you know i could pull this off easily.

i'll just drop 3 gtx cards on the loop :rofl::ROTF:


Bring the pain! :up: Id like to see it, QX9650 and 3x GTX would be a nice test, or Q6600 B3 if you have one :)

[IanY]

I wasn't aware that this is a Thermochill forum! As far as I know, I use Swiftech radiators as well. We should be free to buy whatever brands we want.

Thermochill produces their radiators themselves, paying UK labor and UK overhead expenses in order to meet quality standards. That's also probably why they have been forced to sell their product at premium prices. Whether or not its worth it is left to the end consumer to decide. As far as I'm concern, they work pretty darn well. I don't know about Fesser yet.

Swiftech outsources the whole process and doesn't hide the fact that the MCRs are Chinese made. Hardware Labs manufactues at its Phillipines headquarters, and I can't imagine even Manila to be cheap anymore.

Unfortunately, Thermochill has to consider outsourcing or foreign production. Its an unpleasant thought to have PA 120.3s made in Guangdong or Fujian, but that's the way it is. Even the Taiwanese mobo companies are packing up and moving production to mainland China.

[RealRedRaider]

I wasn't aware that this is a Thermochill forum! As far as I know, I use Swiftech radiators as well. We should be free to buy whatever brands we want.

Thermochill produces their radiators themselves, paying UK labor and UK overhead expenses in order to meet quality standards. That's also probably why they have been forced to sell their product at premium prices. Whether or not its worth it is left to the end consumer to decide. As far as I'm concern, they work pretty darn well. I don't know about Fesser yet.

Swiftech outsources the whole process and doesn't hide the fact that the MCRs are Chinese made. Hardware Labs manufactues at its Phillipines headquarters, and I can't imagine even Manila to be cheap anymore.

Unfortunately, Thermochill has to consider outsourcing or foreign production. Its an unpleasant thought to have PA 120.3s made in Guangdong or Fujian, but that's the way it is. Even the Taiwanese mobo companies are packing up and moving production to mainland China.

One of the reason's I've become a ThermoChill "FanBoy" is for the simple fact that the radiators ARE NOT MADE IN CHINA... :up:

[DarthBeavis]

If Thermochill does have their own production facility (nothing in those pix really can say they do or do not . . .I mean there could be radiator maker there locally that makes them for all we know) then they really need to install a Red Bull or Rock Star dispenser . . .

[أشرف]

Who are you guys trying so hard to impress? :rolleyes:

Just stop.

[DarthBeavis]

Who are you guys trying so hard to impress? :rolleyes:

Just stop.

Just stop what? Are you saying we cannot discuss Thermochill having just about NO stock anywhere on the market? We cannot discuss their future? Tell me what rules we are violating? Think about what you post next because you are representing XS as a moderator.

[IanY]

Ashraf's talking about the college crap. I'm deleting all my remarks. Nothing to impress anybody about; nobody to impress here. College doesn't matter. Everyone's one step away from abject poverty these days.

Its their forum, so they call the shots. Whatever.

As for Thermochill, it makes no difference if they outsourced to a UK company, which will charge them a premium price to cover their manufacturing expenses.

[DarthBeavis]

Ashraf's talking about the college crap. I'm deleting all my remarks. Nothing to impress anybody about; nobody to impress here. College doesn't matter. Everyone's one step away from abject poverty these days.

Its their forum, so they call the shots. Whatever.

As for Thermochill, it makes no difference if they outsourced to a UK company, which will charge them a premium price to cover their manufacturing expenses.

Oh, my bad . . . this is what happens when a thread goes off topic . . .yes I am guilty for adding in . . .Ashraf should be specific tho . . .I personally like to know the other people here are well-educated . . .and you guys pointed out I need to recheck my financial plans which did not even occur to me . . .sounds like XS actually can make a difference even in off topic banter . . .I don't see how anyone was trying to one up anyone else . . .tho we should have been slapped down for the tangent

[Waterlogged]

Did a little checking with some suppliers here in the EU. . .

We currently have 4 in stock, and I am unware when we will have anymore left.
Shipping would cost: £14.75, and will take roughly 7 days to arrive.


that is from Overclockers.co.uk and if I'm not mistaken they were the front shop for TC for a while, but now the links seem to be broken?? Anyway, haven't heard anything back yet from TC, maybe some others will have luck.

About schooling, don't want to cast oil (usch, maybe that's the wrong metaphor) ok, gas into the fire then, but here in SWE schooling is free. All the way to University.

Actually, the storefront for TC is http://www.over-clock.co.uk very easy to confuse with that "other" company.

It seems they have stock (I would certainly hope so :ROTF:)
http://www.over-clock.co.uk/acatalog/thermochill.html

I wasn't aware that this is a Thermochill forum! As far as I know, I use Swiftech radiators as well. We should be free to buy whatever brands we want.

Thermochill produces their radiators themselves, paying UK labor and UK overhead expenses in order to meet quality standards. That's also probably why they have been forced to sell their product at premium prices. Whether or not its worth it is left to the end consumer to decide. As far as I'm concern, they work pretty darn well. I don't know about Fesser yet.

Swiftech outsources the whole process and doesn't hide the fact that the MCRs are Chinese made. Hardware Labs manufactues at its Phillipines headquarters, and I can't imagine even Manila to be cheap anymore.

Unfortunately, Thermochill has to consider outsourcing or foreign production. Its an unpleasant thought to have PA 120.3s made in Guangdong or Fujian, but that's the way it is. Even the Taiwanese mobo companies are packing up and moving production to mainland China.

Same here. I left DD's forums because it was highly frowned upon to recommend parts that weren't DD's, everything was DD or MM (for cases). If you go there and somehow dig up one of my posts, you'll see a sig that does just that. I guess now that DD makes their owns cases that it's now frowned upon recommending MM cases there.:shrug:


If Thermochill does have their own production facility (nothing in those pix really can say they do or do not . . .I mean there could be radiator maker there locally that makes them for all we know) then they really need to install a Red Bull or Rock Star dispenser . . .

IIRC, Marci mentioned that TC is actually a side business for them, they actually make heater cores and rads for British autos.

[dogin]

Define recently.

This recently (sitting in the top of my current build in progress). Actually ordered about 3 mos ago.)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg297/dogin78/IM000305.jpg

[DarthBeavis]

Actually, the storefront for TC is http://www.over-clock.co.uk very easy to confuse with that "other" company.

It seems they have stock (I would certainly hope so :ROTF:)
http://www.over-clock.co.uk/acatalog/thermochill.html



Same here. I left DD's forums because it was highly frowned upon to recommend parts that weren't DD's, everything was DD or MM (for cases). If you go there and somehow dig up one of my posts, you'll see a sig that does just that. I guess now that DD makes their owns cases that it's now frowned upon recommending MM cases there.:shrug:




IIRC, Marci mentioned that TC is actually a side business for them, they actually make heater cores and rads for British autos.


I thought the pix in of their place did not look like a dedicated PC rad shop . . .nothing wrong with that tho.

DD frowning on MM being mentioned their?
http://www.dangerden.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10484

I have not heard about it . .they spend a good part of the day helping my buddy who is doing a Koolance-sponsored build and did not even blink an eye . . .don't mistake what you have encounted on their forums as what they think really . . .they are really laissez faire with the forums as long as no one is totally flaming someone else . . .pretty much like here . . .


Oh . . .look . . .TC rads . . .
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5454/photo222gb1.jpg

[philbrown23]

I bought a P.A. 120.3 from thermochill themselves and got it today and it cost 140 usd that includes shipping, so thermochill is still rolling out rads I just think that the american retailers are not buying them.

[mussafry]

I bought mine lsdt night from MM :up:

[crazy1323]

How does the new Black Ice GTX Gen II 360 stack up against the PA 120.3?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=20984

I currently have a 360mm GT Stealth on my CPU and it is pretty good.

[Serpentarius]

I bought a P.A. 120.3 from thermochill themselves and got it today and it cost 140 usd that includes shipping, so thermochill is still rolling out rads I just think that the american retailers are not buying them.

coz it's heavy .. with costlier shipment rates ..

and it produces the same results .. similiar to MCR320 with 1/2 the weight and 1/2 the price

why pay more? (unless you're rich, disregard this line)

[mussafry]

coz it's heavy .. with costlier shipment rates ..

and it produces the same results .. similiar to MCR320 with 1/2 the weight and 1/2 the price

why pay more? (unless you're rich, disregard this line)

Hes actually paying less, I ordered one from MM and paid $148 with shipping. Dont see why your talking about the weight :confused:

[septim]

air freight is charge by dimensional weight of package VS its actual weight, your charge would be which ever is heavier when computed or weighted..
example: box dimensional weight is 10lbs VS item's actual weight is 15lbs, so you'd be charged with 15lbs weight for air freight...

[dogin]

Just ordered my third TC pa120.3 direct from Thermochill which is going in a custom made box (to be bolted to the case bottom with tubing up through the bottom of case and rad will be attached to side of box) under my current build for the second loop. Found nothing that works as good as these TC's. See case it is going under in my post above. Ordered too late to get out today but will ship Monday and Steve said I would get it wed. Thank goodness any thought of them going out of business is just rumours. Love to deal direct with them.