ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe discussion

[GAR]

Hey people, lets start a new thread for the ddr3 board, as it acts very different from the ddr2 board, the first board i got was defective, the 2nd board i got had scratches on it, the 3rd one will be here shortly..............please share your settings and experiences with this board :up:

Sorry mod can you change the title to P5Q3 please, sorry about that.

[Jupiler]

Fixed.

[BenchZowner]

My board should be waiting for me at my place this Monday, but I won't be back there before Friday...so...it'll have to wait a bit.
But yeah, I'm going to push it from day 1 ( as always :D )

[Infa]

dont like this 8x 8x thingy :)

sure 600 fsb possible, but PL12 and loos timings right.......
dont get the hype?

i were getting 565 no sweat on my x48 pl 9 CL8 on ram....
whats the deal? :)

[BenchZowner]

Don't jump into conclusions that easy Infa.
From my initial P45 tests it looks like the P45 has tighter timings, and the performance given at each P.L. is equal to P35s/X48s at a single P.L. lower.
For example 400MHz FSB 333MHz Strap P.L. 7 on P45 equals 400MHz FSB 266MHz Strap P.L. 6 on P35/X48.

565MHz isn't close to 600MHz at all when it comes to benchmarking... 565MHz FSB = 5367MHz @ 9.5x ... 600MHz FSB = 5700MHz... even 600MHz FSB to 610MHz makes a "big" difference :)

Before I play with those P45 mobos more and get to squeeze every single MHz and performance/tweak out of them, I'll say if they're worth it or not ( over P35/X48 ).

[GAR]

I hope my next board works, if not im going to return it, and grab an x48.

[ACE76]

Don't jump into conclusions that easy Infa.
From my initial P45 tests it looks like the P45 has tighter timings, and the performance given at each P.L. is equal to P35s/X48s at a single P.L. lower.
For example 400MHz FSB 333MHz Strap P.L. 7 on P45 equals 400MHz FSB 266MHz Strap P.L. 6 on P35/X48.

565MHz isn't close to 600MHz at all when it comes to benchmarking... 565MHz FSB = 5367MHz @ 9.5x ... 600MHz FSB = 5700MHz... even 600MHz FSB to 610MHz makes a "big" difference :)

Before I play with those P45 mobos more and get to squeeze every single MHz and performance/tweak out of them, I'll say if they're worth it or not ( over P35/X48 ).

Thank You...you couldn't have said it better...and personally, I think the default PL settings for P45 right now is a BIOS issue which will probably get sorted out with future revisions.

[Bad213Boy]

The Express Gate operating system looks awesome. Before you know it, you'll be able to skip windows and then bench your CPU.


The OS takes about 10 seconds to load and this version offers internet browsing, Skype calls, Pidgin messaging client and a new photo application, which supports USB drives as well as the systems hard drives.

One day I'd like to see gamers bipass windows and run their games straight from Bios instead of wasting resources on so many lame windows services, like the old days using DOS. I mean common, your average user isn't going to tweak their PC. This would actually help the common person run their games better for many years, less tweaking done in windows. As long as the gaming specs don't get out of control. If thats the future, we might finally have systems that last more than 5 years for gaming, besides buying these damn g-cards. :D

[GAR]

OK, ran into some problems, can someone please help me out, someone with this board, i cannot boot into windows setup, or into a pre installed windows, i get a bsod or just a hung screen, even on setup defaults, this is insane, i got this board for $200 out the door, so id like to keep it if i can, am i missing some settings or something, im not new to overclocking at all, this board is a POS so far, can someone help me to get it to work, thanks...............to sum it up, i get a bsod, or a frozen screen trying to install windows, even on all default settings, this is un heard of, my ram is the OCZ 4GB reaper kit, 1600mhz 7-7-7 1.9v

[BenchZowner]

My board is at my place only problem is...I'm not at my place at the moment :p:
You said that you tried a "previously used" Windows install as well. Did you try booting at Safe Mode with that installation ?
I assume that we're talking about a Intel P/X series install right ? The nFORCE install ( you had a nF790i board lately if I recall correctly, right ? ) won't work with any P/X intel chipset board.

Have you tried setting the memory timings/subtimings & chipset timings & voltages manually ?

[GAR]

My board is at my place only problem is...I'm not at my place at the moment :p:
You said that you tried a "previously used" Windows install as well. Did you try booting at Safe Mode with that installation ?
I assume that we're talking about a Intel P/X series install right ? The nFORCE install ( you had a nF790i board lately if I recall correctly, right ? ) won't work with any P/X intel chipset board.

Have you tried setting the memory timings/subtimings & chipset timings & voltages manually ?

No, it wont even boot to go into windows setup so i can do a clean install, ive tried several manual settings for the memory with no luck, more voltage with no luck, let me know if you have any update BenchZowner, appreciate the help.

[BenchZowner]

I'll be back at my place this Friday, if you haven't figured it out by then, it'll be my pleasure to help you anyway I can :)

[GAR]

I'll be back at my place this Friday, if you haven't figured it out by then, it'll be my pleasure to help you anyway I can :)

Thanks man!

[iboomalot]

not sure if this input helps so take it with a grain of salt

my P5Q with PC8500 reaper DDR2 didn't like this board and did similar things

Iam waiting on some different ram to come in.


might try and up the NB volts to 1.3-1.4v and put PLL to 1.6 to 1.7v

also try with one stick at first

[Pyr0]

OK, ran into some problems, can someone please help me out, someone with this board, i cannot boot into windows setup, or into a pre installed windows, i get a bsod or just a hung screen, even on setup defaults, this is insane, i got this board for $200 out the door, so id like to keep it if i can, am i missing some settings or something, im not new to overclocking at all, this board is a POS so far, can someone help me to get it to work, thanks...............to sum it up, i get a bsod, or a frozen screen trying to install windows, even on all default settings, this is un heard of, my ram is the OCZ 4GB reaper kit, 1600mhz 7-7-7 1.9v

I've got a 4GB OCZ Platinum 1600mhz 7-7-7 1.9V kit sitting here with exactly the same problems.
They're brand new so I'm unsure if they're working correctly or if it's the board/me as I don't have another system to test them in.
I tried playing with the DRAM clock skews and managed to boot into windows (installed with a 2gb kit of ballistix) but when put under any load, the system just locks.

If you figure anything out, can let me know too please?
otherwise I think I'm just going to try and return them :(

[edit] OT: has anyone tried spdtool on this board?

[BenchZowner]

@Pyr0:

SPDtool won't "work properly" before W1zzard updates it with the new "chipset info".
If you're going to flash your RAMs SPDs, I suggest you to do it on another board ( non P45 ).

For the memory, it might be a RAM compatibility issue.
Did you guys try running memtest86+ v2.01 ?

[bobov]

I cannot run my crucial ballistix at ddr3-1600 cl7 on P5Q3 Deluxe board, they won't boot at ddr3-1600, can only run them at DDR3-1333. The memory runs perfectly stable at ddr3-1600 7-7-7-1T 1.74v on P5E64 EVO board.

So far I'm very disappointed in P5Q3 Deluxe. Board will not boot if my dvd-rw drive's connected to the IDE port with express gate on. I sent the board back.

IMO, P5E64 EVO is the best board at present time, although it's a X48 board. I can run my ballistix 4x1GB at 800MHz 7-7-7-1T PL6 with only 1.76v vdimm, 1.29v vNB, 2x1GB at 900MHz 7-7-7-1T PL6 with 1.35v vNB. Far better than this POS P5Q3 Dlx.

:)

[bobov]

OK, ran into some problems, can someone please help me out, someone with this board, i cannot boot into windows setup, or into a pre installed windows, i get a bsod or just a hung screen, even on setup defaults, this is insane, i got this board for $200 out the door, so id like to keep it if i can, am i missing some settings or something, im not new to overclocking at all, this board is a POS so far, can someone help me to get it to work, thanks...............to sum it up, i get a bsod, or a frozen screen trying to install windows, even on all default settings, this is un heard of, my ram is the OCZ 4GB reaper kit, 1600mhz 7-7-7 1.9v

Did you try memtest v2.01? Most likely your memory isn't stable on that board.

[Pyr0]

@Pyr0:

SPDtool won't "work properly" before W1zzard updates it with the new "chipset info".
If you're going to flash your RAMs SPDs, I suggest you to do it on another board ( non P45 ).
lo m8
I figured as much, but wondered if it might have been an os/driver prob with it mentioning the SMBus driver (in xp64 atm, prime95'ing)


For the memory, it might be a RAM compatibility issue.
Did you guys try running memtest86+ v2.01 ?

Yup, the memory fails almost instantly unless I play with the skews and then I let it run a couple of passes before getting bored :p:
That was how I managed to even get them to boot into windows, but I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing.

I definitely think things could improve with some bios releases, but I definitely feel that the P5K3 was an easier board to work with, even the initial bios was really stable

[GAR]

The ram or the board are not defective, its just the board doesnt like this ram, newest bios 0704 says it fixes compatibility issues with some memory modules, but it doesnt fix the problem with this kit...........how is the dfi x48 ddr3 board, im about to return this and spend an extra 100 bucks for that, ive got 4850 crossfire anyway.

[bobov]

The ram or the board are not defective, its just the board doesnt like this ram, newest bios 0704 says it fixes compatibility issues with some memory modules, but it doesnt fix the problem with this kit...........how is the dfi x48 ddr3 board, im about to return this and spend an extra 100 bucks for that, ive got 4850 crossfire anyway.

Seems dfi x48 t3r has some bios issue. Won't work with certain rams at cl7. Strongly suggest P5E64 EVO.

[GAR]

Anyone else have this kit and needs some help post in this thread

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=278023#post278023

[Tony]

So

Im testing 1600EB 4GB kit, had this ram well over 1800MHZ on P5E3 Premium.

1600 no way, 1500 no way, 1400 ish, 1333 jeez is it fast ;)

This board is sooooo tight and must be at 1N by default it just hates 128IC's x16, to much load me thinks.

I will contat Asus and see what I can do with bios, for now try to keep the 4GB kits around 1333 6-6-6-(18>22 for TRAS) and test tRD at 6 or 7 tRFC can be 48 clocks.

This board is really fast with the ram like this, probably faster than 7-7-7-24 2T 1600 so do not think you are giving performance away as you are not.

more soon

[Tony]

not sure if this input helps so take it with a grain of salt

my P5Q with PC8500 reaper DDR2 didn't like this board and did similar things

Iam waiting on some different ram to come in.


might try and up the NB volts to 1.3-1.4v and put PLL to 1.6 to 1.7v

also try with one stick at first

you just needed to alter the skew settings, I have had awesome results with the P5Q deluxe all the way to 1200mhz with flex II 1150, its not plug and play though...you have
to get tweaking skews etc

[trans am]

Thanks for the info tony. good advice as always :up:

[GAR]

Please let us know if any update has come from ASUS about this situation, thanks.

[pmp]

AC FSB TRY:
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9969/cpu3866id0.th.png (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpu3866id0.png)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=379953

Completely OOB mobo without any preps, seems to be nice enough for some high numbers as well.
Chasing ASUS Commando MB ? Possible, very easily:
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4471/cpu5970hm2.th.png (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpu5970hm2.png)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=379965

[GAR]

Tony just replied to my thread in the OCZ forums, he said that ASUS is aware of this issue, its motherboard related and has to do with 2gb dimms, also he said it would be atleast a week before anything gets fixed, im going to wait it out, as i like the board, asus is aware and is working on it.

[Telo]

Tony just replied to my thread in the OCZ forums, he said that ASUS is aware of this issue, its motherboard related and has to do with 2gb dimms, also he said it would be atleast a week before anything gets fixed, im going to wait it out, as i like the board, asus is aware and is working on it.

I got the same problem but with 1GB sticks of OCZ3P18002GK; so it is not just with 2GB it is with the chips used on these sticks I'm afraid.

[Fitseries3]

anyone know how to set the command rate in the bios? my ram likes 1t and not 2t.

[Fitseries3]

to fix the ram problem just make sure you set your ROW REFRESH CYCLE TIME to 72 or higher. that is the solution to that problem on all the ddr3 asus boards i've owned... which is like all the ones they have had out so far. LOL! good luck.

[zeuverclok]

little validation @ 641mhz with PL 10
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=379602

[Fitseries3]

little validation @ 641mhz with PL 10
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=379602

what ram are you using?

[zeuverclok]

chell shock 14400 cas 7 ( D9GTR):up:

[Pyr0]

Anyone else have this kit and needs some help post in this thread

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=278023#post278023
Nice 1 GAR, I'll definitely be following that thread :up:
can't post there though as it's not allowed ;)



So

Im testing 1600EB 4GB kit, had this ram well over 1800MHZ on P5E3 Premium.

1600 no way, 1500 no way, 1400 ish, 1333 jeez is it fast

This board is sooooo tight and must be at 1N by default it just hates 128IC's x16, to much load me thinks.

I will contat Asus and see what I can do with bios, for now try to keep the 4GB kits around 1333 6-6-6-(18>22 for TRAS) and test tRD at 6 or 7 tRFC can be 48 clocks.

This board is really fast with the ram like this, probably faster than 7-7-7-24 2T 1600 so do not think you are giving performance away as you are not.

more soon

Thanks for testing Tony, makes me feel much better knowing you're on the case :)

Today I swapped my quad out for my E8500 and tried your suggested settings with the OCZ3P16004GK kit.
1333, 6-6-6-22, 333 strap, tRD 7, 1.72V and 1.20V for the NB. (all skews, gtl's etc on auto)
These settings passed 3 complete loops of Memtest 2.01 and allowed me to actually complete a Windows XP x64 install.

I'm currently running HCI Memtest as I type. Hopefully it'll keep going
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8092/p5q34gbrq8.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8092/p5q34gbrq8.jpg)

Doesn't seem very fast though
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5379/ocz133366622de2.th.png (http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5379/ocz133366622de2.png)

Thanks for the help so far Tony, looking forward to any more progress :up:

[edit] :(
Memory error found copying between 0x24278f4c, 0x94048e38, difference =40000000
after 5hrs 56min

[GAR]

So i got windows to install somewhat with 6-6-6-22, but prime fails within 45 mins, i went away from nvidia to get away from problems, but this board is making the 790i look so good right now...........which ddr3 4gb kits actually work with this board?

[pmp]

GAR, issue you mentioned is already addressed. As large number of users are facing this, i introduce new build:

Asus P5Q3 Deluxe BIOS build 0801 (http://kielbaski.com/pmp/MB/ASUS_P45_SERIES/P5Q3_DELUXE/P5Q3-ASUS-DELUXE-0801.ZIP)

[Telo]

GAR, issue you mentioned is already addressed. As large number of users are facing this, i introduce new build:

Asus P5Q3 Deluxe BIOS build 0801 (http://kielbaski.com/pmp/MB/ASUS_P45_SERIES/P5Q3_DELUXE/P5Q3-ASUS-DELUXE-0801.ZIP)

Well, it is a step in the right direction. However, all it got me was a boot into the Windows XP screen with the progress bar at the bottom. After that the PC rebooted and refused to POST again. Meanwhile, all I'm trying to do is run the RAM [OCZ3P18002GK] at a mere 1333Mhz with a relaxed timing of 7-7-7-21-2T [it is rated for 1800 at 8-8-8-20-2T]. I even tried running it at 9-9-9-27-2T and the same tease happened.

[Tony]

I swear this is a 1N 2N issue, I have been beating on this for 6 hrs now, new 0801 build, ram proven to 1800MHZ on the P5E3 Premium and it won't load Vista at 1333 on this P5Q3, asus support are blaming the ram...how the hell can they do that when I can boot on their X48 board at 1800MHZ with the same dimms???

1GB modules seem a lot better, specially Micron and Samsung based, but they always do better as 1N is little stresss to them and the chipset, the issues come with 128's and 16IC's, the load is just to much.

Im trying to get SPD looked into also, maybe there is something we missed or the board does not like...as i said 1600eb 4GB kit running 1800MHZ on the X48 proves the ram is ok but im for sure missing something on this P45.

Regards posting on the OCZ forum, there are rules on the support section. if you wish i can move it to performance tuning and anyone can post and add to threads. The rules were put in place to stop end users jumping on others users threads....you have to post your own thread in support to make sure your issue is dealt with.

[Pyr0]

Hi Tony,
So, is the 0801 bios any good?
Does it improve anything for us? (do the lowest voltage settings still work like auto?)

I dropped the tRFC to 48 and the Northbridge to 1.18V after it failed and have just passed 8hrs of HCI memtest @ 1333, 6-6-6-22

[Tony]

Nice 1 GAR, I'll definitely be following that thread :up:
can't post there though as it's not allowed ;)



Thanks for testing Tony, makes me feel much better knowing you're on the case :)

Today I swapped my quad out for my E8500 and tried your suggested settings with the OCZ3P16004GK kit.
1333, 6-6-6-22, 333 strap, tRD 7, 1.72V and 1.20V for the NB. (all skews, gtl's etc on auto)
These settings passed 3 complete loops of Memtest 2.01 and allowed me to actually complete a Windows XP x64 install.

I'm currently running HCI Memtest as I type. Hopefully it'll keep going
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8092/p5q34gbrq8.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8092/p5q34gbrq8.jpg)

Doesn't seem very fast though
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5379/ocz133366622de2.th.png (http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5379/ocz133366622de2.png)

Thanks for the help so far Tony, looking forward to any more progress :up:

[edit] :(
Memory error found copying between 0x24278f4c, 0x94048e38, difference =40000000
after 5hrs 56min

compare off a board running 2N to this one running the same cpu and ram frequency, then you see a difference

[Tony]

Hi Tony,
So, is the 0801 bios any good?
Does it improve anything for us? (do the lowest voltage settings still work like auto?)

I dropped the tRFC to 48 and the Northbridge to 1.18V after it failed and have just passed 8hrs of HCI memtest @ 1333, 6-6-6-22

im beating my head against the wall while typing this.

No bios I have tested is any good yet...none of them

[Telo]

I swear this is a 1N 2N issue, I have been beating on this for 6 hrs now, new 0801 build, ram proven to 1800MHZ on the P5E3 Premium and it won't load Vista at 1333 on this P5Q3, asus support are blaming the ram...how the hell can they do that when I can boot on their X48 board at 1800MHZ with the same dimms???

1GB modules seem a lot better, specially Micron and Samsung based, but they always do better as 1N is little stresss to them and the chipset, the issues come with 128's and 16IC's, the load is just to much.

Im trying to get SPD looked into also, maybe there is something we missed or the board does not like...as i said 1600eb 4GB kit running 1800MHZ on the X48 proves the ram is ok but im for sure missing something on this P45.

Regards posting on the OCZ forum, there are rules on the support section. if you wish i can move it to performance tuning and anyone can post and add to threads. The rules were put in place to stop end users jumping on others users threads....you have to post your own thread in support to make sure your issue is dealt with.


Well, the P5Q3 Deluxe's BIOS is not like the P5E3 Premium, instead of telling you that you are modifying the Command Rate, it is called something different [which I do not remember right now], and the options are AUTO, 1 clock, 2 clocks, and 3 clocks. I assumed that is where the CR is modified, I have selected 2 and 3 clocks so far and both get me to the same result.

[Tony]

Gentlemen

How many of you with the P5Q3 deluxe and OCZ memory are running Western Digital hdd's?

I run Raptors here, i see one of 2 of you run similar.
Please post up if you have WD drives.

[jozzy]

my cpu can do 613 on 965 (i believe it can get higher on other good 965 boards), but i only get 591 (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=374749) at this board :shrug:

while max ram i can get was only this 2120 (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=374788)

@ Tony : wazup with the WD hdd ?

[Tony]

Well, the P5Q3 Deluxe's BIOS is not like the P5E3 Premium, instead telling you that you are modifying the Command Rate, it is called something different [which I do not remember right now], and the options are AUTO, 1 clock, 2 clocks, and 3 clocks. I assumed that is where the CR is modified, I have selected 2 and 3 clocks so far and both get me to the same result. Pre to pre is not command rate :) trust me

there is no option in P45 bios to adjust 1N to 2N

[Pyr0]

Gentlemen

How many of you with the P5Q3 deluxe and OCZ memory are running Western Digital hdd's?

I run Raptors here, i see one of 2 of you run similar.
Please post up if you have WD drives.

I have my OS on a single Raptor 150 (currently in ide mode if that makes any diff)

[edit] 8.5hrs passed...

[edit2] do you think there's any chance of getting a 1N/2N option added?

[Tony]

Im trying to get it added yes

you running off the marvell controller? Im double checking as I just moved over to it and my errors have all disapeared

[Telo]

Gentlemen

How many of you with the P5Q3 deluxe and OCZ memory are running Western Digital hdd's?

I run Raptors here, i see one of 2 of you run similar.
Please post up if you have WD drives.

I use 80GBs Seagates for OS on the PC in question; they are attached to the ICH10, not the Marvell controller. BUT it does have 2 WD HDDs for storage.

[Pyr0]

Im trying to get it added yes

you running off the marvell controller? Im double checking as I just moved over to it and my errors have all disapeared

i'm on the intel ich10 ports

[K404]

Got my board today. RAM is A-Data 800MHz 7-7-7.

Getting nowhere fast so far, but im only 3 hours in. First DDR3 setup, so im expecting a war of attrition.

Tips, tricks etc welcome, and if anyone needs something tried, give me a shout :)

[Tony]

If you can remove the WD's or move them to the marvel ports, clear the cmos and re setup up the board. Also try with tRFC at 48, made a huge difference here.

[GAR]

Gentlemen

How many of you with the P5Q3 deluxe and OCZ memory are running Western Digital hdd's?

I run Raptors here, i see one of 2 of you run similar.
Please post up if you have WD drives.

Ive got a WD 640 here.....so 0801 does nothing????

[Telo]

Ive got a WD 640 here.....so 0801 does nothing????

At least not for me it didn't. I just checked with my brother, the WD drives aren't even plugged in he told me; they are supposed to connect to an IDE PCI expansion card which has no data cable attached to it.

[Tony]

Guys

1600 looks a nogo, board limit not ram, now 1333 is fast and I do have it stable here with some help from Pry0 who has been testing a little longer than I have.

This is with 4GB 2x2, 2x1 will clock a lot higher ;)

I will post some settings soon, its very basic and is working well.

More soon

[GAR]

Guys

1600 looks a nogo, board limit not ram, now 1333 is fast and I do have it stable here with some help from Pry0 who has been testing a little longer than I have.

This is with 4GB 2x2, 2x1 will clock a lot higher ;)

I will post some settings soon, its very basic and is working well.

More soon

Tony, can you give me some info on which timings to use for 475fsb, also which voltages you used...........I have the 4GB GK reaper kit, thanks.....any info you can give for this board and this memory kit, thanks.

[Telo]

Guys

1600 looks a nogo, board limit not ram, now 1333 is fast and I do have it stable here with some help from Pry0 who has been testing a little longer than I have.

This is with 4GB 2x2, 2x1 will clock a lot higher ;)

I will post some settings soon, its very basic and is working well.

More soon

Any help is greatly appreciated as I don't really want to go the RAM route [eventhough I do have an RMA case open].

GAR, I think by him saying 1600 is a no go, that means anything beyond that should be a no go as well. Let's just hope they fix it soon.

[GAR]

Any help is greatly appreciated as I don't really want to go the RAM route [eventhough I do have an RMA case open].

GAR, I think by him saying 1600 is a no go, that means anything beyond that should be a no go as well. Let's just hope they fix it soon.

I know, i was hoping he can give me some advice on 475fsb and 1456 memory settings....i can run prime for 45mins, then it freezes.

[Pyr0]

just posting to say the board/mem managed a 12hr run in hci memtest @ 1333 6-6-6-22
will try pushing the fsb up l8r
thanks for the chat Tony :up:

[GAR]

just posting to say the board/mem managed a 12hr run in hci memtest @ 1333 6-6-6-22
will try pushing the fsb up l8r
thanks for the chat Tony :up:

Can you guys please share your info with us, help us get stability as well, which settings you used, which fsb, which timings, and which voltages, thanks.

[bingo13]

ASUS is working on a BIOS update to get us to 1600 stable (2x2GB), along with 1N/2N command options. However, we have a fundamental chipset limitation with the current A2 P45 when it comes to loading the memory controller.

The P45 was only qualified by Intel to 1333 DDR3, anything over is truly overclocking in this regard (really serious about this, no wink winks about it really doing 1600+ but Intel just wants to sell more X48s). I firmly believe after conversations this week with several engineers that there is not that much headroom in this chipset when it comes to high clocks and memory loads (4GB/8GB DDR3 configs, 2GB is working up to 2000 for me).

That said, this chipset is very fast when setup properly at DDR3-1333 with 4/8GB. It appears from all indications that we can get to 1600 2N (probably CAS7 or higher though) in a stable manner with the 2GB modules. If you want to do high memory clocks (1600+) with 4GB or 8GB at tight timings, buy the X48 at this point. Otherwise, the P45 is a very good solution as it was originally designed, a mid-range chipset upgrade to the P35 that will be around a long time until the Nehalem family (processor/chipsets) is available in the mid to low market sectors.

I will have an answer on the WD problems tomorrow. It seems to be affecting the press review samples at this point, have a retail kit arriving today to test.

[Telo]

ASUS is working on a BIOS update to get us to 1600 stable (2x2GB), along with 1N/2N command options. However, we have a fundamental chipset limitation with the current A2 P45 when it comes to loading the memory controller.

The P45 was only qualified by Intel to 1333 DDR3, anything over is truly overclocking in this regard (really serious about this, no wink winks about it really doing 1600+ but Intel just wants to sell more X48s). I firmly believe after conversations this week with several engineers that there is not that much headroom in this chipset when it comes to high clocks and memory loads (4GB/8GB DDR3 configs, 2GB is working up to 2000 for me).

That said, this chipset is very fast when setup properly at DDR3-1333 with 4/8GB. It appears from all indications that we can get to 1600 2N (probably CAS7 or higher though) in a stable manner with the 2GB modules. If you want to do high memory clocks (1600+) with 4GB or 8GB at tight timings, buy the X48 at this point. Otherwise, the P45 is a very good solution as it was originally designed, a mid-range chipset upgrade to the P35 that will be around a long time until the Nehalem family (processor/chipsets) is available in the mid to low market sectors.

I will have an answer on the WD problems tomorrow. It seems to be affecting the press review samples at this point, have a retail kit arriving today to test.

At least that is progress. But, my issue is this, I keep hearing that they are working on fixing the 4GB/8GB RAM issue and that 2GB is supported all the way to 2000Mhz; then how come my 1800Mhz 2x 1GB kit can't even POST? What really makes me laugh about the whole issue is that this build I'm making is not going to be OC'ed much if any and I can't even achieve stock settings on it yet.

[Pyr0]

Can you guys please share your info with us, help us get stability as well, which settings you used, which fsb, which timings, and which voltages, thanks.
I was just testing for stability at stock CPU speed/FSB
Will try pushing the FSB up while keeping mem on a divider shortly

I posted my settings in this post:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3089024&postcount=35

The only changes I made to run HCI for 12hrs was to set tRFC to 48 and drop the NB voltage to 1.18v
[edit] other voltages, were set to one notch above minimums since lowest values act like auto when oc'ing

[mrcape]

How are the setups with 2x1gb doing? I personally don't care about 4gb ram, just DDR3 with better FSB than X48. Is it serving that purpose at least?

[bachus_anonym]

Can you guys please share your info with us, help us get stability as well, which settings you used, which fsb, which timings, and which voltages, thanks.I'm not sure if this will help as none of the guys with Corsair memory posted here, but I would like to share some of the settings, and screenshots I used to run 2x2GB at DDR3-1600+ with our Samsung based 4GB kit - TW3X4G1800C8DF.

First up, all default latencies nad memory settings - Performance Level @ PL=Auto (8) and Clock Twister @ Auto. This is with 0702 BIOS:

P5Q3 Deluxe, C2D E8500 @ 400FSB / DDR3-1600 CL7 @ 1.80v - 0702 BIOS
This is TW3X4G1800C8DF based on Samsung ICs - 2 x 2GB DDR3-1800 8-8-8-24

--- Click image for larger version ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/BIOS_0702_1600_small.jpg (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/BIOS_0702_1600.jpg)


P5Q3 Deluxe, C2D E8500 @ 400FSB / DDR3-1600 CL7 @ 1.80v - SPi + M4W
This is TW3X4G1800C8DF based on Samsung ICs - 2 x 2GB DDR3-1800 8-8-8-24

--- Click image for larger version ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/AsusP5Q3D_1800C8_2x2GB_1600C7_DualSpi32M_M4W_Evere st_PLauto_small.gif (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/AsusP5Q3D_1800C8_2x2GB_1600C7_DualSpi32M_M4W_Evere st_PLauto.gif)

... BIOS update to 0801, then a little bump in memory frequency, plus Performance Level @ PL=6 and Clock Twister @ Stronger for boost in Read and Latency scores:

P5Q3 Deluxe, C2D E8500 @ 415FSB / DDR3-1660 CL7 @ 1.90v - 0801 BIOS
This is TW3X4G1800C8DF based on Samsung ICs - 2 x 2GB DDR3-1800 8-8-8-24

--- Click image for larger version ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/BIOS_0801_1660_small.jpg (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/BIOS_0801_1660.jpg)


P5Q3 Deluxe, C2D E8500 @ 415FSB / DDR3-1660 CL7 @ 1.90v - SPi + M4W
This is TW3X4G1800C8DF based on Samsung ICs - 2 x 2GB DDR3-1800 8-8-8-24

--- Click image for larger version ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/AsusP5Q3D_1800C8_2x2GB_1660C7_DualSpi32M_M4W_Evere st_PL6_small.gif (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/AsusP5Q3D_1800C8_2x2GB_1660C7_DualSpi32M_M4W_Evere st_PL6.gif)

I hope it still helps :)

:toast:

[Tony]

At least that is progress. But, my issue is this, I keep hearing that they are working on fixing the 4GB/8GB RAM issue and that 2GB is supported all the way to 2000Mhz; then how come my 1800Mhz 2x 1GB kit can't even POST? What really makes me laugh about the whole issue is that this build I'm making is not going to be OC'ed much if any and I can't even achieve stock settings on it yet.

I am going to be honest with you here, 2GB kits are not giving us huge issues on P45, hence I have spent more time with the 4GB kits hoping to help get some solid answers as to what these boards will actually do.

Now that does not mean I will not test with 42GB and I will try to show the tweaks needed to get the board clocking well. All I ask is for now clock down a little, tighten the timings and enjoy your PC. let me sort out this 4GB mess we are seeing then I can move on.

[Tony]

Bachus

Do it with Micron modules, get 10 kits from retail stock at newegg or ZZF and test on 5 boards, then we will know exactly what the story is. Posting here with this is doing nothing more than gloating in the face of a competitors customer and i hope you remove your post.

Do you see me doing this to corsairs customers?

[GAR]

I am going to be honest with you here, 2GB kits are not giving us huge issues on P45, hence I have spent more time with the 4GB kits hoping to help get some solid answers as to what these boards will actually do.

Now that does not mean I will not test with 42GB and I will try to show the tweaks needed to get the board clocking well. All I ask is for now clock down a little, tighten the timings and enjoy your PC. let me sort out this 4GB mess we are seeing then I can move on.

Thanks tony, how high FSB can we set???? while keeping memory low on the frequency.....also Tony, are these Micron modules??? in the 4GB 1600 GK???

[bachus_anonym]

Bachus

Do it with Micron modules, get 10 kits from retail stock at newegg or ZZF and test on 5 boards, then we will know exactly what the story is. Posting here with this is doing nothing more than gloating in the face of a competitors customer and i hope you remove your post.

Do you see me doing this to corsairs customers?
I'm posting in a good will, Tony. This is "P5Q3 Deluxe discussion thread", not "OCZ support thread", therefore I don't think there is a problem. I never come in to competitors dedicated support threads as it may be seen as intruding on my part. But this is different situation. I wanted to add the settings that seem to work, not particularly for Corsair customers, but for all end-users experiencing problems with 2x2GB @ DDR3-1600 on Asus P5Q3 Deluxe. I don't intend to remove the post, as it might be useful for others, I hope.

Cheer up Tony! :)

P.S. Micron B-die based 2x2GB works as well. The settings I posted are with retail kit of Samsung based 4GB that I pulled from stock. Just ignore the post if you don't think it's useful, Tony. Take care!

[Tony]

Bachus

these guys have Micron based modules not friggin samsung, I have samsung here, should i post and say the board is crap with micron but awesome with my $500 4GB 1800MHZ kit and see how the customers feel then?

cheer up? man engage brain! I was fine till you lost yours ;)

[pmp]

Boys ! Stop making personal trips ! This is P5Q3 thread, not which brand is better.

It seems to be affecting the press review samples at this point, have a retail kit arriving today to test.
It's easy to be checked. If you're not sure, your board is affected, PM for details. BTW. it affects then all HDDs :)

[bingo13]

Boys ! Stop making personal trips ! This is P5Q3 thread, not which brand is better.

It's easy to be checked. If you're not sure, your board is affected, PM for details. BTW. it affects then all HDDs :)

Not exactly, WD does not work or is flaky on the two press boards (which do not have the Marvell controller). Hitachi and Seagate drives are fine on the same board, just got the retail board and it works fine. ;)

[bingo13]

I'm not sure if this will help as none of the guys with Corsair memory posted here, but I would like to share some of the settings, and screenshots I used to run 2x2GB at DDR3-1600+ with our Samsung based 4GB kit - TW3X4G1800C8DF.

I hope it still helps :)

:toast:

Please try the Micron 2x2GB 1600 C7 kit, because the Micron kits I have do not go above 1460 in a stable manner, does matter which manufacturer and I have several from C to Z. ;) I will say this, the retail board is much better behaved than the press sample boards, glad we did not review it yet. :D

[bachus_anonym]

Please try the Micron 2x2GB 1600 C7 kit, because the Micron kits I have do not go above 1460 in a stable manner, does matter which manufacturer and I have several from C to Z. ;) I will say this, the retail board is much better behaved than the press sample boards, glad we did not review it yet. :DI'm working on it, Gary. I'm running at exactly the same settings with 4GB kit of 1600C7DHXIN v3.1 which is based on Micron Rev.B. So far so good at DDR3-1660; I will post a screenshot once I get back...

Does your retail board behave the same? What Rev. is it - 1.01G or 1.02G? Also, is it Micron Rev.B (D9GTR / D9GTS, etc.) or Micron Rev.D (D9JNL/D9JNM, etc.) that you're testing?

EDIT: That should do it for now... As promised, Micron Rev.B 1600C7DHXIN 4GB kit. I did not change any settings in BIOS compared to previous DDR3-1660 test with Samsung...

P5Q3 Deluxe, C2D E8500 @ 415FSB / DDR3-1660 CL7 @ 1.90v - SPi + M4W
This is TWIN3X4096-1600C7DFIN based on Micron Rev.B ICs - 2 x 2GB DDR3-1600 7-7-7-20

--- Click image for larger version ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/AsusP5Q3D_1600C7DFIN_2x2GB_1660C7_DualSpi32M_Evere st_M4W_PL6_small.gif (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/AsusP5Q3D_1600C7DFIN_2x2GB_1660C7_DualSpi32M_Evere st_M4W_PL6.gif)

[FUGGER]

Easy guys. Samsung to 2.1Ghz and I will test Micron next. bios 0702

Im on a retail sample with seagate HD, not sure why the HD would make a diff.

The issue with my board is the primary PCIE slot is deaded and replacement inbound.

[Telo]

I am going to be honest with you here, 2GB kits are not giving us huge issues on P45, hence I have spent more time with the 4GB kits hoping to help get some solid answers as to what these boards will actually do.

Now that does not mean I will not test with 42GB and I will try to show the tweaks needed to get the board clocking well. All I ask is for now clock down a little, tighten the timings and enjoy your PC. let me sort out this 4GB mess we are seeing then I can move on.

I tried the lower divider with tighter timings idea and the same crap came up. Then I tried the lower divider with the famous 6-6-6-22 fix and it got into windows. So I got greedy and did 6-6-6-18 and it went in as well. My brother doesn't know jack about FSBs and RAM Mhz and all that so I can buy some time until everything is sorted out I guess. In retrospect, I did try 1066Mhz RAM with a 5-5-5-15 timing before and was no go, so I'm guessing this is the neighborhood my brother will have to live in until ASUS sorts out their RAM issues. Man I tell you, funny how you get more support from bystanders than from the friggin' truck that cause the accident, sort of speak; this just makes me 1000% more confident that I did the right thing by dropping the P5E3 Premium for the BlackOps. I have had the BlackOps for just over 2 weeks and I have seen like 10 BIOS revisions out so far, but, that is for another place and time. Please keep pressing on ASUS to sort out support for us, the small people with the 2GB kits.

[bingo13]

I'm working on it, Gary. I'm running at exactly the same settings with 4GB kit of 1600C7DHXIN v3.1 which is based on Micron Rev.B. So far so good at DDR3-1660; I will post a screenshot once I get back...

Does your retail board behave the same? What Rev. is it - 1.01G or 1.02G?



On 1.02G and it is much better, PM sent about the kits that do not work. :(

[GAR]

OK, i gave up, even at low settings, 1333mhz i couldnt get prime belnd to stay stable, i have since ordered this kit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145200

Hope these are better, they will be here friday.

[Telo]

OK, i gave up, even at low settings, 1333mhz i couldnt get prime belnd to stay stable, i have since ordered this kit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145200

Hope these are better, they will be here friday.

That kit more than likely will work, but it has a CAS9 off the bat; might be a bit slow.
Can't you just downclock the current RAM you got and turn it back up once this issue gets resolved? That's what I'm doing, but then again, I can't return my RAM since I had it longer than 1 month. I have 2x 2GB kits, so for me to change the RAM will mean a loss for my brother of over $500.

[BenchZowner]

Guys chill out.
All of you, especially the "big heads" ( Bachus, Tony, bingo13 ) you've been in the industry for a while, more than enough to know that sometimes a person will come up with a "trick" that gets the job done ( high clocks with 4GB (2*2GB) Kits in this case )...
This time it was X, maybe the next time it'll be Y, and maybe the next time Z.
You don't have to start beaching at each other, neither you have something to separate.

Gary ( bingo13 ) which revision is the "final" ( retail ) one m8 ?

[GAR]

That kit more than likely will work, but it has a CAS9 off the bat; might be a bit slow.
Can't you just downclock the current RAM you got and turn it back up once this issue gets resolved? That's what I'm doing, but then again, I can't return my RAM since I had it longer than 1 month. I have 2x 2GB kits, so for me to change the RAM will mean a loss for my brother of over $500.

I tried everything, it just refuses to work right.....i was going to downlclock and wait, but it just doesnt want to work.

[Telo]

I tried everything, it just refuses to work right.....i was going to downlclock and wait, but it just doesnt want to work.

Give DDR3-1066 a try, with 5-5-5-15 or 6-6-6-18 on 1.80v to the vDIMM and 1.24 to the vNB.

PS: If you are interested, there is an auction on eBay for 2x 2GB kits of CellShock 1800Mhz. Right now it is at $390 or so plus $15 shipping in the USA. No, I'm neither the seller nor involved in the sale. I was going to bid until the RAM started to work at 1066Mhz. The regular price for a 2GB kit is $420 from tankguys.com and $368 from memoryc.com plus a hefty shipping charge. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120275240463&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002 1HR left on it though.

[bingo13]

Guys chill out.
All of you, especially the "big heads" ( Bachus, Tony, bingo13 ) you've been in the industry for a while, more than enough to know that sometimes a person will come up with a "trick" that gets the job done ( high clocks with 4GB (2*2GB) Kits in this case )...
This time it was X, maybe the next time it'll be Y, and maybe the next time Z.
You don't have to start beaching at each other, neither you have something to separate.

Gary ( bingo13 ) which revision is the "final" ( retail ) one m8 ?

I have tried to stay out of it by explaining we have more problems than just a BIOS fix (which should be here shortly by the way), the chipset is not designed for what some of us expect it to do and that is match X48 at a lower cost. It just was not designed to do it, but it does not mean that it's a bad chipset, far from it.

That said, I am not going to step in the memory land mine field right now as every kit I have from C to Z is not getting to 1600 so it does no good to throw modules at each other. :D However, obviously there are some kits that work and figuring out how to get the rest working correctly is something ASUS is working on feverishly right now. I am convinced it will be fixed shortly. :up:

Rev 1.02G with the Marvell/SiL controller chips is the final production version and is the one I received in a retail kit today. It is working fine, except for the memory clocking problems. I will say this, the board is very fast with 4GB at DDR3-1333 right now with all kits, it just needs a little fine tuning is all. update - I am getting ready to try a new Micron kit that just arrived on a very late UPS truck, so maybe it will bring success tonight. Gotta love drivers who go the extra mile for you. :clap:

[FUGGER]

Checked my notes and I think I figured a few things out for getting the memory up there.

Try dropping back to the 333 strap. I will test more with Microns when I switch rigs back.

I had the Samsungs bugging at 1600Mhz.

A fast tool for me is a Vista install CD, I boot to it and use the memory checker, it will fail within 20%, usually around 7%

[BenchZowner]

Thanks for the reply Gary :)
And yes Asus is really working hard nowadays to get some new BIOSes with lots of fixes for various boards, really nice to see that happening myself ;)

Mine should be a retail version as well.
The first two weeks will be dedicated to bug detection and "hardcore" overclocking ( 2*1GB RAM of course ), and then I'll start working for the review.
First targets... break 600MHz FSB with "the supposed to be magic E8500 Q807" and break DDR3-2000 7-6-6/7-6-5 with the marvelous CellShock 2GB D9GTR kit.

[Tony]

the main issue with most of these high performance boards is that they are tuned with 2x1GB, next to no one uses 2x1's any more going by sales figures I see, as prices on DDR3 come down even more it will get even worse with many option for 4x2GB.

Now my overall point in all of this was this.

Forget I work for OCZ, the board is having issues with Micron memory rated at 1600MHZ, I was trying to help all get to where they needed to be. Along comes C with "our kit does this" which happens to be samsung (which I have here BTW also) and basically spits in the face of all those who have all ready spent hard earned cash.

Now if C wants to help lets see an SPD dump of these micron dimms that do 1660+ as thats all it can be, I just spent 5 hrs looking at SPD for DDR3 and im confident now the board is having an issue reading some of the info correctly on some modules. It is not like DDR2 where you tell the board what to do, this time the board has to calculate what to do based off info within the SPD, if the board has issues reading what is there then it will possibly not run correctly.

So im not being bigheaded, I was p1ssed someone came along and snubbed those who were trying to help. I will gladly post a universal 2GB spd once I sort this crap for all to use and get the best from their P5Q3.
I can't see C having the balls to offer that to the community

[Pyr0]

thinking my 12hr memtest was a pure fluke now
pc rebooted last night when i wanted to try aquamark and has been hard locking just running windows update
today when i came to startup the pc, it froze as it booted into windows :(


just been trying to swap my raptor 150 with my window x64 install on, onto one of the the marvell sata ports and could not boot at all
disk read error occured
press ctrl+alt+ el to restart (the D was missing)

also tried it with a 2gb kit of ballistix 12800 mem which has been working ok and had the same message
i made sure the ide controller was enabled, the sata cable plugged into the top port, and tried changing the "drive xpert" mode to normal, but nothing :shrug: :(

[edit]
Just tried a Seagate 80GB SATAII drive in the same marvell port and it works

[BulldogPO]

I´m using A-Data´s Vitesta Extreme X1600:
http://oc.adata.com.tw/1_product_detail.asp?pid=AD31600XU

I were able to run them fine with this board at 1600MHz at 2.1V and CL 7-7-7-18 when I was usin Xeon E3110 but now with E7200 they do´nt oc, weird.

[GAR]

I´m using A-Data´s Vitesta Extreme X1600:
http://oc.adata.com.tw/1_product_detail.asp?pid=AD31600XU

I were able to run them fine with this board at 1600MHz at 2.1V and CL 7-7-7-18 when I was usin Xeon E3110 but now with E7200 they do´nt oc, weird.

Those are microns as well, i guess this board doesnt like micron ic's much.

[mrcape]

First targets... break 600MHz FSB with "the supposed to be magic E8500 Q807" and break DDR3-2000 7-6-6/7-6-5 with the marvelous CellShock 2GB D9GTR kit.

This is exactly what I'm hoping to see on P45 / DDR3. Best of luck!

[zozo]

(also posted on http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=278514)

Hello,

I've got an Asus P5Q3 with an OCZ3P16002GK kit and Q9450 processor, and could only install a system and boot under Splashtop/Linux/Windows by setting DDR3-800 in the BIOS. All other settings I tried with DDR3-1333 (voltage, timings, skew) were unstable. I tried all available BIOSes, even 801 one.

Today I decided to do some tests. Now I've got Prime95 running stable for half an hour (self-test 1024K passed) with the following BIOS settings in System Performance Settings :
DRAM Frequency : DDR3-1333MHz
DRAM Static Read Control : Disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control : Disabled
DRAM Read Training : Disabled
DRAM Write Training : Disabled
MEM. OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Lighter
DRAM Voltage : 1.80
NB Voltage : 1.20
All other settings : Auto

The OCZ kit is on orange slots, the others aren't populated.

Some settings may be useless, but now it's stable I will try setting back each parameter one by one to Auto and lowering DRAM Voltage later, and test stability.
At the time of this writing, Self-test 8K passed.
Hope this helps...

Another thing : SPD says this RAM is PC3-10700... shouldn't it be PC3-12800 ? Btw, when I bought this, the vendor said "DDR3-1600".

Thanks,
Olivier

[K404]

I´m using A-Data´s Vitesta Extreme X1600:
http://oc.adata.com.tw/1_product_detail.asp?pid=AD31600XU

I were able to run them fine with this board at 1600MHz at 2.1V and CL 7-7-7-18 when I was usin Xeon E3110 but now with E7200 they do´nt oc, weird.

Do you absolutely need 2.1V for the clocks and timings? What vNB are you using?

If you really need that voltage, thats hinting to me that the board is tuned "too tight"?

:toast:

K

Its a bit crap that basically RAM manufacturers have to have RAM rated for the chipset it will be used on as they all seem to perform so differently- cross-use looks like it might lead to disappointment?

[Tony]

Today I have 12 hrs on the board, 1600 was a go although unstable and using a custom SPD. Noticed from Bachus's post fine delay settings are totally different on his micron runs to what I am seeing others are getting so i asked Asus for fine delay options in bios so we can see if this makes a difference.

just to show this board is faster at 1333 than 1600 take a peak at this.

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/staff/tony/P5E3_Deluxe_tests/1333_p5q3.png

Board overvolts like crazy, 1.76V ram =1.83V real, 1.20V NB= 1.26real
0.620 NB GTL and still tweaking.

Nice flat line over 10K for read write and copy, much lower speed than Bachus showed with tighter timings but higher tRD.

Board is weird for sure

[BulldogPO]

0801 bios did help, memory works now fine at 1600MHz 7-7-7-18, 1.95V now.

[pmp]

With 1:1 divider ?

[Tony]

0801 bios did help, memory works now fine at 1600MHz 7-7-7-18, 1.95V now.

if you have 1.95V set in bios you have near 2.1V at the dimm, becareful you do not kill them, the board overvolts like crazy

[Chri$ch]

if you have 1.95V set in bios you have near 2.1V at the dimm, becareful you do not kill them, the board overvolts like crazy
this is from board to board different...

on P5Q-Dlx is same.. some boards overvolt and some undervolt ;)

but it is better if everey check it on his board!

The P5Q3 i had undervolt ~0.01 - 0.03v

[Tony]

Got 2xp5q deluxe and 2xp5q3 deluxe and they all overvolt here m8...i still say becareful

[pmp]

Some 1600+ tries quite successfull though with 2x1 GB setup. 2000 is rather much too far :(
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9642/1800pu8.th.png (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1800pu8.png) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/858/1600zx3.th.png (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1600zx3.png) http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5153/58766hf9.th.png (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=58766hf9.png)

Haha guess such low timings are working only on P45... chipset made for high FSB and low latency screenshots haha :D

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/6783/433xy3.th.png (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=433xy3.png) http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/790/4332my3.th.png (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4332my3.png)

[BulldogPO]

How to measure Vdimm?

[K404]

Hey pmp :) How important do you think the Write- Precharge and tWTR delays are for high RAM MHz? Iv been keeping mine around 14-16 for both.

Cheers, and nice numbers!!

K :toast:

[pmp]

Frankly i never tried to up them to see if it affects speed abilities. Maybe Tony or Bachus would support us with their great RAM knowledge :)

[Tony]

Forget 1600 with Micron for now, bachus may be able to do it but i can't with the boards I have here, and many other can't and this in not just with 2GB OCZ modules. I can kill 1600 scores at 1333+ so whats the point of worrying about it. If 1333 is faster than 1600 why do you all want 1600?

I will post my settings once I hit 200% coverage, you will not believe the skews i am runnings

[BenchZowner]

@BulldogP0
Probably ( I don't have the board here with me ) under the circled capacitor:
http://i30.tinypic.com/nz50s7.jpg

[K404]

What pin on a DDR3 slot is the Vin? :)

[pmp]

Forget 1600 with Micron for now, bachus may be able to do it but i can't with the boards I have here, and many other can't and this in not just with 2GB OCZ modules.
Agree with that. I spend some time on fighting with D9JNM 2x2GB setup and best i could do stable was something around 1420 MHz :(

[Tony]

What pin on a DDR3 slot is the Vin? :) 65 :)

[GAR]

0801 bios did help, memory works now fine at 1600MHz 7-7-7-18, 1.95V now.

yes but is it stable???

[K404]

I can kill 1600 scores at 1333+ so whats the point of worrying about it. If 1333 is faster than 1600 why do you all want 1600?


The options for FSB/RAM mixes apart from anything else :( 720-770MHz isnt a versatile range at all....


65 :)

Cheers :D

[Pyr0]

1333 may be faster with a higher FSB... (415 compared to 500)
but surely if the same FSB were used for both mem speeds, 1600 should give a higher bandwidth at least? :shrug:

[Tony]

My setup for 500fsb 1333memory, skews are pretty wild but it is 100% stable.

Have a look here for the settings (http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/staff/tony/P5Q3%20deluxe/)

CPU is at 4.25GHZ in these settings

[Tony]

1333 may be faster with a higher FSB... (415 compared to 500)
but surely if the same FSB were used for both mem speeds, 1600 should give a higher bandwidth at least? :shrug:
FSB may be higher but I gave away bus speed and TRD to the 1600+ run.

[THUMPer]

Im going to pick this board up. Using this RAM
KHX12800D3K2/2G
I also have 2 36GB Rptors I run in RAID 0 on my P965. I hope to have some luck. Since that's all it seems to be. Or if you think I should just go x38 and get it over with. hah

[Fitseries3]

TONY....

i tried your settings and my board posts fine. the NB seems low compared to my other settings though. i cannot get rid of the instant BSOD when windows tried to load.

what chip are you using with those settings?

im using e7200 but will try my e8500.

[GAR]

I have since returned this board, it was the worst motherboard compatibility i have ever had in 15 years of building computers, i am not going to buy new products again, wait months for the problems to be solved.............DDR3 is problems for now, intel chipsets suck because memory controller is on the NB and not on the cpu........that is where AMD wins, and i cannot wait for the day that AMD makes a comback, hopefully its in the next year.

[THUMPer]

^I think he said it all. Maybe I will wait a month

EDIT:
Pulled from the Asus Website
"DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1600, it is suggested to use one DIMM per channel"

This means what? You can't run Dual Channel?

[GAR]

^I think he said it all. Maybe I will wait a month

The sad part is we the customer is the test dummy.......they dont spend time and money because they know we will do the testing for them.

[bingo13]

The sad part is we the customer is the test dummy.......they dont spend time and money because they know we will do the testing for them.

and BIOS 0804 just arrived, 1600 is working on Micron now, just need to tune it now and see if it is faster than 1333 yet. Samsung is fine at 1600 by the way but CAS is too high for my liking in order to get absolute stability. :)

[THUMPer]

and BIOS 0804 just arrived, 1600 is working on Micron now, just need to tune it now and see if it is faster than 1333 yet. Samsung is fine at 1600 by the way but CAS is too high for my liking in order to get absolute stability. :)

Where the hell is this 804 BIOS? Asus's site still shows 0704 :(:(

[GAR]

and BIOS 0804 just arrived, 1600 is working on Micron now, just need to tune it now and see if it is faster than 1333 yet. Samsung is fine at 1600 by the way but CAS is too high for my liking in order to get absolute stability. :)

I have gotten myself an ASUS Rampage Formula with some g.skill 4gb ddr2 8500 set, x48 is better for me because of the 4850 crossfire i will be using....

[DiscoTech]

So where can we get his new 0804 bios?

[bachus_anonym]

Forget 1600 with Micron for now, bachus may be able to do it but i can't with the boards I have here, and many other can't and this in not just with 2GB OCZ modules. I can kill 1600 scores at 1333+ so whats the point of worrying about it. If 1333 is faster than 1600 why do you all want 1600?
1333 may be faster with a higher FSB... (415 compared to 500)
but surely if the same FSB were used for both mem speeds, 1600 should give a higher bandwidth at least? :shrug:

You're right, Pyr0. I run a quick test @ 500FSB/1600C7 and it turned out to give a better result than 1333C6 Tony posted - not a huge difference but enough to counter the claim on "1333C6 destroying 1600C7". I don't want to argue here, I just felt like correcting an unfair statement being made. Apples-to-apples is the only way to compare.

All secondary memory timings, CLK skews and other memory settings at AUTO, except for Transaction Booster @ 8 (AUTO sets it to 10); all voltages as in previous 1600C7 post

P5Q3 Deluxe, C2D E8500 @ 500FSB / DDR3-1600 CL7 @ 1.80v - SPi + M4W
This is TW3X4G1800C8DF based on Samsung ICs - 2 x 2GB DDR3-1800 8-8-8-24

--- Click image for larger version ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/AsusP5Q3D_1800C8_2x2GB_1600C7_DualSpi32M_Everest_M 4W_500FSB_small.gif (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5Q3Deluxe/AsusP5Q3D_1800C8_2x2GB_1600C7_DualSpi32M_Everest_M 4W_500FSB.gif)


As Gary mentioned, new 0804 BIOS has been passed on for testing. From now on, it will only get better :)

:toast:

[Tony]

leave it Bachus, if this continues i will be forced to leave XS and I doubt this is something Fugger wants.

I said my piece...you spoke out of turn...end of story. My work produced the 0804 and helped Micron users, all you did was show samsung worked fine.

You need to ask yourself what you are actually giving to the community and what you are just doing for Corsair

[Telo]

So where can we get his new 0804 bios?


As the man stated, where is the famous BIOS? Didn't see it on ASUS download page.

[BenchZowner]

It's still a Beta BIOS, and only a few beta BIOSes are made available to the public.
You won't find it on Asus's public FTP.

[GAR]

Tony and OCZ have amazing support, CORSAIR stop trying to show him up, i have had nothing but good things to say about OCZ, one of the best in the memory support.

[Fitseries3]

hey.. someone pass me that 0804... my board wont even post unless setting are EXACT. these crucial sticks are great in my p5k3 but seem to be a serious problem in my p5q3.

[BenchZowner]

hey.. someone pass me that 0804... my board wont even post unless setting are EXACT. these crucial sticks are great in my p5k3 but seem to be a serious problem in my p5q3.

What do you mean that it won't post unless your settings are EXACT ?
By exact you mean manually set ? If yes, then the resolution is a modified SPD for your RAM.
I can't help you unless you define what you mean exactly.

I cannot pass this BIOS to the public yet, sorry.

[Fitseries3]

i tried TONY's setting for 8.5x500 and my board boots fine but if i bump the FSB up 4mhz it wont post at all. even a voltage bump wont fix it.

[bingo13]

I still have some tuning (skews and straps) and stability testing to finish tonight, 0804 is not perfect yet but we are getting there. The key so far is that less is more on this board, lower voltages, delayed skews, and a 400 strap setting is your best friend.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9435/p5q3d1800cas8pl7bqy9.png

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2733/p5q3d1800cas8pl7cbf2.png

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8332/p5q3d1600cas7alt5.png

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/820/p5q3d1600cas7brq5.png

[K404]

Is Everest any good as a stability benchmark?

[bingo13]

Is Everest any good as a stability benchmark?

No, been looping PC Vantage 64 full test suite (all my testing is under Vista 64 SP1, not XP, that OS is too easy on memory... :D )for the past few hours on two boards at each setting above.

[K404]

Hate to say it but im about ready to throw in the towel on this board and send it back. It doesnt perform- either for the MHz it can do or for the MHz it should. It cant even do what it says on the box. :(

[Telo]

I was finally able to boot into Windows at 1333Mhz. Only difference now is that instead of 2 sticks, I installed all 4 sticks. It is using some very relaxed timings at 8-8-8-28, but it works at least.

[BenchZowner]

Mine's rev 1.02G ( yes, I'm back at my place now :D ) and smells like fresh PCB :D
I'm tired from moving all the stuff, but having all those new stuff next to me is really tempting and I don't think I can stand that :p:
I'll try to get some sleep and after unpacking most of the stuff I'll try to slip away, and run some quick tests :D

[Karl]

Hi all,

I've been following this thread with interest as I bought my P5Q3 Deluxe two weeks ago. Had some problems at first to get Vista installed but after setting all the BIOS settings to it's defaults and only used one memory stick I eventually had a clean Vista 64 install :rolleyes:

I think this board is great, been using DFI for the past four years but wanted to get a Asus because of the ease of use of setting up ( compared to DFI).

My PC details:

Asus P5Q3 Deluxe WiFi-AP @n
Intel E8400
Corsair TWIN3X 1333MHz
MSI nVidia 8800 GTX
WD VelociRaptor
Samsung SpinPoint F1 1TB
Zalman ZM850-HP PSU
X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Professional
Noctua NH-U12P
Antec P-180
Dell 24" widescreen

My BIOS settings are on auto, except:
CPU: 400x9 @ auto voltage
NB: 1.20v
Mem. timings: 9-9-9-24 @ 1.8v 1600 mhz

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5372/screendumpod5.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screendumpod5.jpg)
This setup has been stable since I got it, have flashed to the 0801 bios but can't say that I notice any difference with it. I'm not after any world records, just want a good stable PC that allows me to do what I want it to do...
:clap:
Kind regards,
Karl

[blossa]

JFYI:
I just flashed in the 0801-BIOS. With the 0704 I was able to bench with atleast 560MHz FSB, now BIOS got corrupted at ~535MHz FSB.

With 0704 ~1800MHz 7-7-7-18 seemed nearly stable. Sometimes I had to reboot 2-3 times for it to work though. I havn't had the chance to try max memspeed with 0801 yet.

[BenchZowner]

I'm flashing to 0804 now and going to check the max "POSTable" FSB with ExpressGate :p:

p.s. Yeah, I'm using ExpressGate at the moment.

[blossa]

That will be interesting... I tried it with 0801 and then got:
"unknown BIOS error. Error Code=813F"
Now it is unbootable. Will try with IDE-disk soon though.

[Telo]

Had to remove the second pair of RAM and bring it back down to 1066Mhz 6-6-6-22 [I was running 5-5-5-15 before, but to be safe I just did the 6-6-6-22]. It was just not stable at all with the 1333Mhz dual pair setup. I hope 0804 brings me some good news man, this board is turning out worse than the P5E3, which I dropped without trying as much as I have with this one; I guess it is because it is not my setup, but my brother's.

[GAR]

This board was a nightmare......i dont know how anyone is still holding on to this board???

[Fitseries3]

the bios is still immature. it takes people like us and threads like this to get the bugs worked out. this board has HUGE potential, the bios just needs to get better. right now im having to sit and wait for them to fix whatever problem it has with my micron chipped ram. supposedly it's fixed in this 0804 bios that has been mentioned. im just waiting to get it.

[GAR]

the bios is still immature. it takes people like us and threads like this to get the bugs worked out. this board has HUGE potential, the bios just needs to get better. right now im having to sit and wait for them to fix whatever problem it has with my micron chipped ram. supposedly it's fixed in this 0804 bios that has been mentioned. im just waiting to get it.

Yes, but i think that is what quality control is for, i mean the OCZ 4gb platinum are one of the hottest sets of memory, how do you release a board without testing with various different setups.

[Fitseries3]

i understand what your saying. same goes with my crucial 1600's. crucial is one of the most popular along with OCZ and Corsair so why are we having all these incompatibility problems? it's not just one model of ram either. weirdness.

still... i think we just have to be patient.

[mevorach]

What about 0804 ?
is it improving somthing?
where can I get it?
0801 do not change anything still nogo 1600 1500 1400 !!!

[Fitseries3]

i've heard from a number of PPL that it's allowing clocks above 1333mhz for micron based ram.

[mevorach]

Thats all ?

what about ocz ? and can we see the 1600 no.

I have to now what to do ? To change the memory or the asus p5q3 ?
It will be the first time that i will use non asus board

[Fitseries3]

i'd just be patient. i havent heard a whole lot about it yet but i've seen 1900mhz with OCZ's with the beta 0804 bios so it looks promising.

[Telo]

i'd just be patient. i havent heard a whole lot about it yet but i've seen 1900mhz with OCZ's with the beta 0804 bios so it looks promising.

2GB sticks or 1GB sticks? I'm concerned about the 1GB sticks, seems a lot of attention is being given to 2GB stick customers, but the 1GB guys like me get no love at the moment.

[mevorach]

Thanks , I ' ll wait to this bios

[blossa]

Well, I don't think this board is that bad. I think that almost every brand new board I have had, have had some BIOS-issue.

[Telo]

Well, I don't think this board is that bad. I think that almost every brand new board I have had, have had some BIOS-issue.

Never seen a board that would flat out not work at stock settings for an entire line of RAM chips [micron]. Someone really dropped the ball there, I think that only a handful of board makers can have this happen and not lose a ton of customers.

[Karl]

I don't think this board is such a bad one either, take a look in the other board threads in this forum - ppl are experiencing same type or other problems with every new board. Take a look at the new X48 DFI board for instance. I've bought several DFI boards in the past as soon as they were released, some of them had problems for months after it finally got fixed. I find it irritating that the industry works like this, but I guess we have our self to blame as we all want the cutting edge technology right away...

Kind regards,
Karl

[bingo13]

Yes, but i think that is what quality control is for, i mean the OCZ 4gb platinum are one of the hottest sets of memory, how do you release a board without testing with various different setups.

ASUS has three sets of the OCZ Platinum 3P1600EB4GK kits, all three exhibit different characteristics on this board, two of the kits have different specs but the same part number. I ordered another set from NewEgg to try, same held true here for my first Corsair kit (to be fair) as one had the same problems as the OCZ, but the second one is humming along at 1600 easily. I am also swapping out my GSkill and Patriot kits this week for newer kits. This regression testing is getting expensive... :D

Kinda looks like a IC or SPD change to me at first glance but it appears to go much deeper now. That said, getting a BIOS fix is proving difficult due to all the changes, one memory set works great, the next one does not, get the one that does not work up to speed, and another kit all of a sudden has problems. By the way, two other P45 DDR3 boards I have are experiencing the same problems, so it might be a core BIOS code problem.

[Telo]

I don't think this board is such a bad one either, take a look in the other board threads in this forum - ppl are experiencing same type or other problems with every new board. Take a look at the new X48 DFI board for instance. I've bought several DFI boards in the past as soon as they were released, some of them had problems for months after it finally got fixed. I find it irritating that the industry works like this, but I guess we have our self to blame as we all want the cutting edge technology right away...

Kind regards,
Karl

You are right to blame us for part of the problem; why would they pay for R&D when they get free guinea pigs?

[GAR]

ASUS has three sets of the OCZ Platinum 3P1600EB4GK kits, all three exhibit different characteristics on this board, two of the kits have different specs but the same part number. I ordered another set from NewEgg to try, same held true here for my first Corsair kit (to be fair) as one had the same problems as the OCZ, but the second one is humming along at 1600 easily. I am also swapping out my GSkill and Patriot kits this week for newer kits. This regression testing is getting expensive... :D

Kinda looks like a IC or SPD change to me at first glance but it appears to go much deeper now. That said, getting a BIOS fix is proving difficult due to all the changes, one memory set works great, the next one does not, get the one that does not work up to speed, and another kit all of a sudden has problems. By the way, two other P45 DDR3 boards I have are experiencing the same problems, so it might be a core BIOS code problem.

I had two sets which acted the same.....they all use Micron, they should be acting the same, maybe its the board acting different??? If it was an spd issue, one was working, and the other was not, i think tony would know about it.

[bingo13]

I had two sets which acted the same.....they all use Micron, they should be acting the same, maybe its the board acting different??? If it was an spd issue, one was working, and the other was not, i think tony would know about it.

I have six Micron kits here, two work perfectly, the other four do not. The "bad" four ( :D ) also do not work on the MSI Platinum board but the two good ones do. It is the boards, BIOS, or IC/SPD combination? :shrug: That is what we are working on right now. As a side note, the Samsung kits work perfectly regardless of brand.

[mevorach]

What about bios 0804 is it doing thomthing or not??? , whre can we get it ?

[BenchZowner]

You can't get the BIOS 0804 yet mevorach.
It's not perfect, and now I have some symptoms that could be sourcing from the BIOS ( every BIOS has a/some flaws usually ).
Give it some time, I bet we'll have some Micron DDR3-1600+ 4GB Kits action soon.

[over@locker886]

Last night, I testing about 2 hours with 0801 bios. I tried how performance p45..only 5:6 ratio worked well for me. (2GB OCZ 1600EB kit).

I got now 0804 bios, and I go test again..

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4474/11128bi0.jpg

[jugeen]

it seems 1:2 ratio works. i could reach DDR3 1800 but at 2000 BSOD.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8244/p5q31800c7sul3.th.jpg (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5q31800c7sul3.jpg)

[Aivas47a]

I'm having trouble with 2x1gb kit of Cellshocks. Those are Micron ICs too I believe? At 1600 mhz, spec timings and even with Tony's suggested relaxed settings memtest spews errors like crazy. I know the sticks are good, they worked fine up to 1800mhz and a little beyond in P5E3 Premium. Still on bios 704, I'll flash that to the newer version as soon as I get home tonight and see if that helps. :(

[Tony]

A little update to where I am:

been testing multiple kits, all 1 module at a time. Some work right off the bat close to 1600 with little to no skew adjust needed. Some work with a little skew needed and 5 mins fine tuning gets you rocking along 1600MHZ single channel.

Now here is where it gets complicated:

Thru testing A2 and B2 (orangle slots as Asus recomend) I have found the following.

1 I can dial a module in A2, for instance 500ps NB clock delay, A1 skew 250 advanced and A2 skew 250Advanced

2 remove that dimm, place it in B2 and try to dial in the skew for B2 using only B1 and B2 Dram clock skew adjust, I have to leave the NB skew good for A2 ;)

3 It will not dial in, nothing I do will get me stable with the same dimm I used for A2 stable in B2 leaving NB skew at 500ps delay.

4 So, i move to change NB skew and find B2 200ps delay Dram clock and Normal NB clock gets me the dimm stable at 1600MHZ.

5 Now move the module back to A2 and try to dial it in again....no joy :(

6 Try leaving B2 module alone and use one of 6 other modules I have here leaving the B2 NB skew and Dram clock skew intact and tuned....Nothing works, A2 needs a different NB skew to B2

So Gary says he has kits that work..2 from 6, I have 6 kits and I can get any of the modules tuned in but ONLY on their own.
I asked for a bios that has DRam CLock skew, DRam DQ skew, and DRam DQS skew and labelled as such. I feel I will stand a much better chance dialing in modules if we have these 3 skews all sperate. As it stands now Asus need to work a few wonders in a bios ( which I am sure they can do) but i really would like to do my own tweaking with this to be sure I understand what is going on.

[jugeen]

it seems 1:2 ratio works. i could reach DDR3 1800 but at 2000 BSOD.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8244/p5q31800c7sul3.th.jpg (http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5q31800c7sul3.jpg)

it is SPI 32M stable with 1.96vdimm. my RAM has GTR chips.

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/5384/1800spi32mzn8.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1800spi32mzn8.jpg)

Anyone has graphics interface link width 2x issue with PCIe graphics card?

[pmp]

jugeen i think 1:2 worked nice on 0801, i reported that few pages before :)
What kind of PCIe problems you faced ?

ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe BIOS build 0804 (http://kielbaski.com/pmp/MB/ASUS_P45_SERIES/P5Q3_DELUXE/P5Q3-ASUS-DELUXE-0804.zip)
This one improves compatibility with Micron based 2x2 GB modules (especially OCZ Platinum or Platinum EB PC12800)
Improves does not mean - it fix it absolutely - so please don't complain at it atm!

[jugeen]

sry for re posting. so my problem is that i cannot fix link width 2x anyway... :confused:
jugeen i think 1:2 worked nice on 0801, i reported that few pages before :)
What kind of PCIe problems you faced ?

ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe BIOS build 0804 (http://kielbaski.com/pmp/MB/ASUS_P45_SERIES/P5Q3_DELUXE/P5Q3-ASUS-DELUXE-0804.zip)
This one improves compatibility with Micron based 2x2 GB modules (especially OCZ Platinum or Platinum EB PC12800)
Improves does not mean - it fix it absolutely - so please don't complain at it atm!

[Tony]

jugeen i think 1:2 worked nice on 0801, i reported that few pages before :)
What kind of PCIe problems you faced ?

ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe BIOS build 0804 (http://kielbaski.com/pmp/MB/ASUS_P45_SERIES/P5Q3_DELUXE/P5Q3-ASUS-DELUXE-0804.zip)
This one improves compatibility with Micron based 2x2 GB modules (especially OCZ Platinum or Platinum EB PC12800)
Improves does not mean - it fix it absolutely - so please don't complain at it atm! I think it needs to see the ocz part number, so if you have anything different than EB you may see no gains.

Thats a "may" Im not 100% sure but it was created with 1600EB on the bench

[over@locker886]

jugeen i think 1:2 worked nice on 0801, i reported that few pages before :)
What kind of PCIe problems you faced ?

ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe BIOS build 0804 (http://kielbaski.com/pmp/MB/ASUS_P45_SERIES/P5Q3_DELUXE/P5Q3-ASUS-DELUXE-0804.zip)
This one improves compatibility with Micron based 2x2 GB modules (especially OCZ Platinum or Platinum EB PC12800)
Improves does not mean - it fix it absolutely - so please don't complain at it atm!

I tried 0804, everything same.. my 2*1GB OCZ Platinium 1600EB kit not stable at 1600 or more...
But this kit could 32M stable results in Asus P5E64WS EVO :

1600Mhz 6-6-6-20 2T 1,98v
1800Mhz 7-7-7-20 2T 1,98v
2000Mhz 8-8-8-24 2T 1,98v

Tony: I think SPD is no good for P5Q3, because last time my rams no boot in nf790i too.. What do you advice? What SPD I flash for my kit?

[Tony]

I tried 0804, everything same.. my 2*1GB OCZ Platinium 1600EB kit not stable at 1600 or more...
But this kit could 32M stable results in Asus P5E64WS EVO :

1600Mhz 6-6-6-20 2T 1,98v
1800Mhz 7-7-7-20 2T 1,98v
2000Mhz 8-8-8-24 2T 1,98v

Tony: I think SPD is no good for P5Q3, because last time my rams no boot in nf790i too.. What do you advice? What SPD I flash for my kit?

There is no specific spd at this time, DDR3 is a different beast to ddr2, with DDR2 you tell the board what to boot at and with...DDR3 gives the board a set of calculations it has to do...then it boots.

Im workin on it for sure, I have a 2GB test spd that seems to make a difference, BUT im not releasing just yet, plus P45 has a new smbus that w1zzrad needs to code into spdtool.

[jugeen]

sry for re posting. so my problem is that i cannot fix link width 2x anyway... :confused:

all my worries has flown away. my problem was graphics card related. i swapped it to a 9800GTX and after a GTX280. with both cards link width was 16x. so there is no PCIe bug like we had before with other Asus mobos. unfortunately my 8800gts seems to be faulty cause link width 2x error appeared on P5E3 Premium and P5E64 Evolution mobos. it's RMA time. :(

[pmp]

ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe BIOS build 0902 (http://kielbaski.com/pmp/MB/ASUS_P45_SERIES/P5Q3_DELUXE/P5Q3-ASUS-DELUXE-0902.ZIP)

[BulldogPO]

Thanks, I will try it later today.

[bingo13]

Short Update -

Intel is busily updating the core BIOS code on a daily basis now in order to solve the DDR3 problems. More later...

[THUMPer]

Get my board tomorrow. My Kingston uses Samsung chips. I will update.

[THUMPer]

Short Update -

Intel is busily updating the core BIOS code on a daily basis now in order to solve the DDR3 problems. More later...
Looking forward to this. Thanks:D

[jugeen]

FSB : DRAM 1:2 also works with 0902 BIOS. FSB 500 boot is bellow.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/screenshot/383257.png

valid (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=383257)

[iboomalot]

My P5Q clx DDR2 mobo isn't stable in dual channel

Iam looking to upgrade to DDR3 what mobo?? would you recomend for a e8400 that runs stable at 4ghz ????

also what DDR3 is working best???

[jugeen]

as i saw everyone has different experience with his/her DDR3 with this mobo. it is sad that samsung chip runs well on p5q3 deluxe, but that chip is not as good for oc as micron d9gtr/d9gts. asus works hard to solve RAM instability. if you are not hurry than i suppose wait a short time till stable OC information published. else if you eager to have P45 DDR3 than pick up ddr3 kit with gtr chip and go go go!

[iboomalot]

This is just to get me by untill the fall/winter when Bloomfield series hits

I tried to keep my p5q dlx but I will have to upgrade to DDR3 this fall anyways.

[mevorach]

I do not understand 0704 0801 0804 0902 and same problem do not work 1600mhz

Change to p5e3 dlx works 1700mhz with no isue so what does asus engenirs do ?

This board is sh..

[jugeen]

I do not understand 0704 0801 0804 0902 and same problem do not work 1600mhz

Change to p5e3 dlx works 1700mhz with no isue so what does asus engenirs do ?

This board is sh..

i remember the first time when i sucked with p5e3 dlx. nowadays it's normal that we have to wait for good working BIOS. MFCs are always fighting who releases their stuffs at first. it is not worth to annoy.

[boostedevo]

It looks like this is being worked on actively, but talking with Fugger over the weekend about Micron/P45, I mentioned that I was able to get my Ballistix 1600s >1600 no problem on the P5Q3 Dlx, so he told me to post it up. Maybe I just have a lucky set that works in it.

This was definitely on the 702 beta BIOS, but don't ask me to recall settings because it was weeks ago ;) I still had the same problem as others that immediately crash @ 1000MHz, but I will try a couple of these new ones when I have time. These sticks did ~1030MHz 7-7-7 in the P5K3 with just 1.90V, so they are definitely good for it.

I might be a little late to the discussion, but wanted to post these results because I said that I would ;)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/boostedevo/p5q3/600fsb_ddr3-1920_136vmch.png

[Gautam]

n00b! Where's the 700MHz FSB to go along with it?

Ross can you do 7-6-5 by any chance? I'm guessing you've got JNL so the answer to that would be no. I'd personally given up hope on P45, but after seeing that it looks like it's definitely worth thinking about. Is the 2T a bug? If not, is it necessary?

[BenchZowner]

1) Gautam, there's no Command Rate option available yet, and MemSet doesn't Command Rate setting doesn't work.
2) Ross, they're talking about 4GB Kits ( 2*2GB ) with the other Micron chips.
With 2*1GB ( 2GB Kits ) depending on your luck, skills and timings you can clock up to about DDR3-2000.

Let's give Intel some time to "tweak" it out ;)

[boostedevo]

Bench, that explains it. Thanks for the heads up :)

Gautam, I never pulled the spreaders, so I have no clue which chips they actually are. 700FSB LOL, not on this chip...this screen is already 20FSB higher than this particular proc ever ran on any other chipset.

This FSB is only good for CPU-Z & 1M. 32M still won't run clean >570FSB, which is the same as any other chipset (making me think it's the CPU and not the NB or mem though). What I will do is try to run lower FSB and keep the mem speed (which should confirm it), but a different ratio may not work as well.

I don't recall trying 7-6-5 on this board, but I have on others...just don't remember how high :) I'll give that a shot as well.


n00b! Where's the 700MHz FSB to go along with it?

Ross can you do 7-6-5 by any chance? I'm guessing you've got JNL so the answer to that would be no. I'd personally given up hope on P45, but after seeing that it looks like it's definitely worth thinking about. Is the 2T a bug? If not, is it necessary?

[jugeen]

i could run SPI32M @ 1600 CL6. at this time i think this board needs +0.04 vdimm to be stable than P5E64 Evolution needed. or maybe i should play with skews.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1795/1600c6spi32mce3.th.jpg (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1600c6spi32mce3.jpg)

validation (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=383380)

[Tony]

Workin with the MSI P45 today, 2x1GB sammy 1800+ quite easy, 1600 was so easy i gave up trying. 4GB ohh my, here we go again.

Asked for a new bios, will test a theory with it when it arrives...for now gave up on Asus and went back to BT2 x48 bios tweakin.

I hit delete 300 times Thursday last, then friday, then Monday...im getting tired of it for now.

[bingo13]

I hit delete 300 times Thursday last, then friday, then Monday...im getting tired of it for now.

Hell, I am tired of using halon on the AMD boards but I still test them. :rofl: We should have another BIOS spin tonight.

[jugeen]

Workin with the MSI P45 today, 2x1GB sammy 1800+ quite easy, 1600 was so easy i gave up trying. 4GB ohh my, here we go again.

Asked for a new bios, will test a theory with it when it arrives...for now gave up on Asus and went back to BT2 x48 bios tweakin.

I hit delete 300 times Thursday last, then friday, then Monday...im getting tired of it for now.

never give up Tony, life is hard, Asus is harder :D

[stephen23]

on my situation, DDR3 1600 CL7 stable is only work on the black slot with 0704 BIOS, orange can go up to 1333 only. other version of BIOS like 801, 804 and 902 will freeze in windoews while running memtest pro!
BTW, which version of aisuite can show Vdimm?

[zozo]

Please share the 902 BIOS on another website, I can't access it for now.

[BenchZowner]

http://www.benchzone.com/Downloads/BIOS/Motherboards/Asus/P5Q3_Deluxe/Beta/P5Q3D0902.rar

[THUMPer]

Whats a safe northbridge voltage? Whats the Stock NB Voltage?
I cant quite get it stable at 3.6Ghz, HL2 Crashes.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2641dno.jpg

Its hella stable at this. What can i do?

[zeuverclok]

I break 655 fsb on my deluxe P5Q3
but no valide just photo :(
E8400, 1.6 vcore, 1.7 vpll, 1.4 vfsb, 1.58 vNB with bios 702
http://images4.hiboox.com/images/2708/e40eda4773dd2776c3986608ee404e68.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/655mhz-fsb-p5q3-deluxe,e40eda4773dd2776c3986608ee404e68.jpg.html)

[GAR]

Is this board still having memory problems????

[jugeen]

1600 CL7 seems to be stable

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2377/1600p95yl9.jpg

[jugeen]

1800 CL8 stable with the settings below


Ai Overclocker Tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 09.0
FSB Frequency: 450
PCIE Frequency: 100
FSB Strap To North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR3_1800
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS Latency: 8
DRAM RAS to CAS Delay: 8
DRAM RAS Precharge: 8
DRAM RAS Activate to Precharge: 24
RAS TO RAS Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 60
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read To Precharge Time: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
DRAM Write Training: Disabled
MEM OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Lighter
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level: 8
CPU Voltage: 1.3v
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): Auto
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): Auto
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1:34
DRAM Voltage: 1.9
NB Voltage: 1.24
NB GTL Voltage: Auto
SB Voltage: 1.1
PCIE SATA Voltage: Auto
Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8231/1800p95pj1.jpg

[Tony]

its easy to get 2x1024 stable, issues are with 2x2GB modules.

GAR its still having issues yes, all the P45 DDR3 boards I tested are, especially with 4GB

[jugeen]

its easy to get 2x1024 stable, issues are with 2x2GB modules.

GAR its still having issues yes, all the P45 DDR3 boards I tested are, especially with 4GB

unfortunately I don't have 2*2GB modules, so I can't help to find solutions. :(

[kiwi]

But 2x1 1600 and 1800 is nothing new. How about 2K at least 32M? :)

[Tony]

unfortunately I don't have 2*2GB modules, so I can't help to find solutions. :(
you won't find a sloution...trust me

[Tony]

But 2x1 1600 and 1800 is nothing new. How about 2K at least 32M? :)

2000 should not be an issue with 2x1gb samsungs...X48 is still faster though.

[jugeen]

2000 should not be an issue with 2x1gb samsungs...X48 is still faster though.

i couldn't reach 2000 with GTR chips yet.

[kiwi]

2000 should not be an issue with 2x1gb samsungs...X48 is still faster though.

Hmm, I wonder why samsung and not Micron.

As you know priority for benchers is GTR because no other chips can run so tight timings and subtimings. I had a hope that P5Q3 will be a good DDR3 board for benching wolfdale but apparently it's not (yet).

The best candidates are still Blitz xtreme, P5K3 dlx (both discontinued :(), asus evolution and maybe a gem 790i

[BenchZowner]

For the time being the safe bet for wolfdale extreme overclocking there's only one candidate, the Asus P5E64 WS Evolution.
Stunning board, great performance, and extremely high average FSB overclocks.

The P45 stars aka P5Q Deluxe, P5Q3 Deluxe, Biostar Tpower i45 and Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6 & GA-EP45T Extreme can reach high FSBs as well, but with the DDR3 issues at the moment they're not your best option.
Plus, the average FSB overclock "yields" are higher for the P5E64 WS Evolution. ( I've tested 11 CPUs on my P5Q3 Deluxe sample the last 4 days and I haven't managed to get a single CPU stable for 32M @ 600MHz FSB no matter what ( yes, it could be my bad luck on both the CPUs and motherboard picking ).

My hopes for high FSBs with the 790i are now gone, since my best stable FSB overclock on the Striker II Extreme is 575MHz, and the average is around 550MHz...

[mevorach]

Can somebody tell me why there is a difference between the to programs

what is the speed of my memory?

[danniboi]

I have a single stick 1X2GB OCZ Platinum edition, and I keep getting BSOD in Vista. Has anyone here managed to stabilize this memory on the P5Q3 Deluxe yet?

[mevorach]

Keep everything on "auto" include vdram if you over clock change just cpu volt

manuel timing
7
7
7
20

[pmp]

i couldn't reach 2000 with GTR chips yet.

Neither do i :(

[bingo13]

ASUS just released 0904 BIOS, it looks promising. Tony or I will have more later today.

[stephen23]

ASUS just released 0904 BIOS, it looks promising. Tony or I will have more later today.

904?
where can I get it?
I got 902 only?

[Tony]

Im not handing the 0904 out, please don't PM me for it. I was asked to test and not leak the bios, so it stays that way until Asus say its ok to distribute it.

[Tony]

What is with you guys and the Evo board, its just a cut down P5E3 Premium on the whole, is it not better to just use the daddy board and not the offspring?

[jugeen]

we love the challange! it is like masochism. :)

[Tony]

its more to do with manufacturers trusting each other, if someone tells me to test but not leak thats what i do, if they say test and leak out for you guys thats what i do.

Im not here to p155 anyone off.

[jugeen]

i do understand it, Tony! :)

[THUMPer]

looks good! E8400 @ 3.6
http://i25.tinypic.com/2dvu8eq.gif

[FUGGER]

This bios works for me.

http://fugger.netfirms.com/0904.zip

Test at your own risk, not official but most likely will be.

Post feedback please.

[THUMPer]

im using the 904 now.
Weird issue on overclock. if i completely shut down and boot back up, sometimes my OC doesnt stay. Like it was say Overclocking failed, press F1. Any insight too this? This was even before the 904 BIOS

[jugeen]

im using the 904 now.
Weird issue on overclock. if i completely shut down and boot back up, sometimes my OC doesnt stay. Like it was say Overclocking failed, press F1. Any insight too this? This was even before the 904 BIOS

this could happen when vdimm or vcore do not reach a voltage level needed to post.

[jugeen]

New AI Tweaker option is in 0904 BIOS

CPU Margin Enhancement: optimized or compatible or performance mode

[jugeen]

here are the differences between the three stages

optimized

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4363/cmeodh6.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmeodh6.jpg)

compatible

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2488/cmecjz8.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmecjz8.jpg)

performance mode

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2512/cmepmqv4.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cmepmqv4.jpg)

[BenchZowner]

It's not a memory/system bandwidth related option mate.
I have an idea to test this option, and I'm also waiting for info from my contact.

[THUMPer]

this could happen when vdimm or vcore do not reach a voltage level needed to post.

Alright. Then I have something to go off there. Thanks!

I can't get stable at a higher FSB with a lower Multiplier. I don't want to push my Vcore, and my NB voltage too high. I pushed the Vcore to 1.30 and NB voltage to 1.36. Even that was not stable. I don't know what a safe Vcore would be with this E8400, and for the NB. Apparently my screen shots were not stable. Prime 95 would error out in about 10 seconds.

Right now I'm at 3.6 with a 9 Multiplier, and auto NB voltage. VCore at 1.25 this seems stable. I would like to get close to 4GHz but not sure what to do. Am I missing a setting?
HALP!! haha

[Telo]

Alright. Then I have something to go off there. Thanks!

I can't get stable at a higher FSB with a lower Multiplier. I don't want to push my Vcore, and my NB voltage too high. I pushed the Vcore to 1.30 and NB voltage to 1.36. Even that was not stable. I don't know what a safe Vcore would be with this E8400, and for the NB. Apparently my screen shots were not stable. Prime 95 would error out in about 10 seconds.

Right now I'm at 3.6 with a 9 Multiplier, and auto NB voltage. VCore at 1.25 this seems stable. I would like to get close to 4GHz but not sure what to do. Am I missing a setting?
HALP!! haha

vNB 1.36v is not high at all. Run your CPU at stock speed with AUTO voltage, then run CPU-Z or Real Temp and find out your VID. Once you post that, I think people can get a clearer picture of what your CPU voltage settings could be for a higher OC.

[THUMPer]

vNB 1.36v is not high at all. Run your CPU at stock speed with AUTO voltage, then run CPU-Z or Real Temp and find out your VID. Once you post that, I think people can get a clearer picture of what your CPU voltage settings could be for a higher OC.

http://i30.tinypic.com/w9vayx.jpg
There we go

[Telo]

http://i30.tinypic.com/w9vayx.jpg
There we go

Might have to use Real Temp to get it then, it didn't show on the picture you took. Fire up Real Temp, and then click on SETTINGS, the screen that pops has the VID.

[THUMPer]

Says
VID = 1.2250

[Telo]

Says
VID = 1.2250


There lies the root to your issues. If it is requiring 1.225v just to run stock [3Ghz], then running it higher will require a whole lot. Your VID is .05v more than mine, and my CPU runs at 3.16Ghz [.05v may sound like a little, but with CPUs it is a lot]. I guess you got to chalk this issue to having an average joe CPU. Sorry man.

[THUMPer]

There lies the root to your issues. If it is requiring 1.225v just to run stock [3Ghz], then running it higher will require a whole lot. Your VID is .05v more than mine, and my CPU runs at 3.16Ghz [.05v may sound like a little, but with CPUs it is a lot]. I guess you got to chalk this issue to having an average joe CPU. Sorry man.

That explains why I couldnt get past 3.6 on my P965.
DAMN!!!
Oh well, the CPU was free. I will run it at 3.6 where its stable. Thanks:clap::clap:

[Telo]

That explains why I couldnt get past 3.6 on my P965.
DAMN!!!
Oh well, the CPU was free. I will run it at 3.6 where its stable. Thanks:clap::clap:

All in all, I don't see why you can't run it at 4Ghz with 1.36v; you should keep trying and see what happens. Just let the board mature a bit, it should allow you some stability.

[BenchZowner]

Some Voltage measurement points for the Asus P5Q3 Deluxe:

http://i30.tinypic.com/10ckj2q.jpg

[Leeghoofd]

Says
VID = 1.2250

Latest coretemps and Realtemp give many Wolfdale CPU's at 1.2250 VID...pretty wrong to me... if you can run 3.6 around 1.15-1.2 you can run 4ghz easily below 1.4volts, if not you are :down:

[THUMPer]

Latest coretemps and Realtemp give all Wolfdale CPu's at 1.2250 VID...pretty wrong to me... if you can run 3.6 around 1.15-1.2 you can run 4ghz easily below 1.4volts, if not you are :down:

Then I'm doing something wrong.

[Leeghoofd]

Telo I know you want to help, but if you don't own an Asus DDR3 P45 chipset based mobo, plz don't give advice on voltages...or settings.. this board sadly has major ram incompatabilities and think we have to wait a few more bios updates before some peeps rigs will fly...

Also VID is nice but there are loads of CPU's that can run stock speeds at a voltage way below the VID... your claim is a so NO sir... if he can run 3.6 stable at 1.25 he should be able to make 4ghz around (sub) 1.4 level

My E8400 reads out as 1.2250 too and yet it almost does 4ghz at it (in fact I need 1.24Vcore), 3Ghz is done at 1volt...

[GAR]

I would return this board asap if you still time left on your return policy, it has been a long time and issues do not seem to be fixed, i had nightmares trying to setup this board with several sets of ddr3....just some advice so people dont loose out on money.

[THUMPer]

The board is fine I think. I'm running 3.6Ghz, with 2GB of Kingston at CL7 DDR3 1600. It's you 4GB guys that are having problems.

[GAR]

The board is fine I think. I'm running 3.6Ghz, with 2GB of Kingston at CL7 DDR3 1600. It's you 4GB guys that are having problems.

Anyone running Vista 64 is going to need 4gb of memory, 4GB is the norm now a days for people who actually use their computer instead of benching.

[THUMPer]

Anyone running Vista 64 is going to need 4gb of memory, 4GB is the norm now a days for people who actually use their computer instead of benching.

Whats Vista?
:shrug:

[Telo]

Telo I know you want to help, but if you don't own an Asus DDR3 P45 chipset based mobo, plz don't give advice on voltages...or settings.. this board sadly has major ram incompatabilities and think we have to wait a few more bios updates before some peeps rigs will fly...

Also VID is nice but there are loads of CPU's that can run stock speeds at a voltage way below the VID... your claim is a so NO sir... if he can run 3.6 stable at 1.25 he should be able to make 4ghz around (sub) 1.4 level

My E8400 reads out as 1.2250 too and yet it almost does 4ghz at it (in fact I need 1.24Vcore), 3Ghz is done at 1volt...

What makes you think I don't own the board? I own an ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe. Wanna see the recipt?

[Telo]

The board is fine I think. I'm running 3.6Ghz, with 2GB of Kingston at CL7 DDR3 1600. It's you 4GB guys that are having problems.

When I use my OCZ DDR3-1800 [2GB kit] I got issues up to wazoo, but when I place the CellShock RAM in the issues disappear.

[boostedevo]

Can someone with a working copy of the 904 BIOS put it up again? I've d/l'd this one several times and keeps coming back corrupt :(


This bios works for me.

http://fugger.netfirms.com/0904.zip

Test at your own risk, not official but most likely will be.

Post feedback please.

[mevorach]

http://www.benchzone.com/Downloads/BIOS/Motherboards/Asus/P5Q3_Deluxe/Beta/

[boostedevo]

Thank you :up:

[mevorach]

Hi

What is the maximum FSB that you can get with Q9450 OR Q9... on this board?

What is the setting to get it?

I can get max 484 x 7.5 one more wont be stable ,or boot, no mater ,what I change

[THUMPer]

When I use my OCZ DDR3-1800 [2GB kit] I got issues up to wazoo, but when I place the CellShock RAM in the issues disappear.
Interesting...
My Kingston uses Samsung chips. I have had good luck. I am not sure what Cellshock use. I have never heard of them till this thread :confused: I wanna say Microns?

[Telo]

Interesting...
My Kingston uses Samsung chips. I have had good luck. I am not sure what Cellshock use. I have never heard of them till this thread :confused: I wanna say Microns?


CellShock uses Micron chips.

[danniboi]

I think i've managed to stabilize my single stick OCZ 1600MHz 2GB memory, but now the core speed flickers between a 9 and 6 ratios (3000 and 2000 MHz, respectively). What am I setting wrong in the BIOS? :confused:

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/9289/10064993bt8.th.jpg (http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10064993bt8.jpg)

[jugeen]

I think i've managed to stabilize my single stick OCZ 1600MHz 2GB memory, but now the core speed flickers between a 9 and 6 ratios (3000 and 2000 MHz, respectively). What am I setting wrong in the BIOS? :confused:


set C1E support disabled at BIOS»Advance»CPU Configuration.

[danniboi]

set C1E support disabled at BIOS»Advance»CPU Configuration.

Thanks. Much better! :clap: