ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[WaterFlex]

Hmmm. What is your TJmax? Do you watercool NB and SB? Too low temps.

[The Water Dog]

485fsb is my wall for now, still trying...must...get...over...500fsb:P
Have to get my watercooling up again.
CryptiK: I think you are right with the Nb-temps. Totaly crash if its get around 54-55.

[Eeky NoX]

This is what I get today with the 200 strap :

http://pix.nofrag.com/a/a/0/9dd9a154b004b2a703b9db89d0773tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/a/a/0/9dd9a154b004b2a703b9db89d0773.html)

And I'm supposed to be proud so ? :(

[WaterFlex]

That`s my result. Room temp is 25,5 degrees.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4065/60832719qj3.jpg


Under Linpack I have 65\65 degrees of both cores.
Idle temps are 44\39.
Do I have the good core temps with my single waterblock loop?

[radaja]

@waterflex,mine is all aircooled, i have a dryer vent hooked up to my airconditioner that blows very cool air directly into the front intake of my computer.heres a quik run with air conditioner off,mind you its still pretty cool in my house.http://i35.tinypic.com/2u41tg6.jpg

[CryptiK]

I am finding it almost impossible to get 666 MHz (DDR2-1333) bench stable. My CellShock GKX & TeamGroup GMH sticks all top out at 660MHz, and my Team Group can do 666MHz max screen but very unstable. More vdimm is not helping, neither is the DDR2 CHA/B ref or NB DDR Ref voltages.

Has anyone got over 666MHz on this board?

Asus need to improve the ram overclocking ability. The UD3P leaves the M2F in the dust in this regard.


That`s my result. Room temp is 25,5 degrees.


Under Linpack I have 65\65 degrees of both cores.
Idle temps are 44\39.
Do I have the good core temps with my single waterblock loop?

I get 63*C both cores with Linpack, 1.336vcore at 25*C ambient with a lapped TRUE and Antec 120mm fan on low (~1200 rpm).

Idle is around 36*C.

**EDIT - on the NB temp/instability issue, I was just testing and I was using 1.40v NB and half way through SPI32M it errored with 'not exact in round" so I bumped the vNB to 1.51v and it was idleing at 54*C (lol) so I restarted SPI32M it got about 2 loops in and the system bluescreened and restarted. I think it may have got to ~60*C or so, but I cant be sure I didn't have probe open. It was either the voltage or the temp that made it unstable. I see many people run 1.6 vNB on the UD3P's with no stability issues, so its either a NB VRM issue at higher voltages, or A2 rev. NB issue where it cant handle 1.5V+ and gets unstable above 50*C.

I think I am going to pull the boards sinks off again and try to get better contact on the NB, I really want to be able to run up to 1.6 vNB for benching but there's no way I could do that at the moment due to temps.

[WaterFlex]

CryptiK
sweet temps, mate!

[The Water Dog]

CryptiK: You lucky pig:D
My board refuses 1200mhz on the memory, 1199 is okey:confused:, i think i try another bios.....but all the other bioses is bugged:S
And i thinking about taking out my mobo to glue couple of 40mm fans on the nb and stuff.
I cant use the fans that come with the board since my Noctua with 2 fans take to much place.

[CryptiK]

I had exactly the same issue you're having but with my old P5Q-Deluxe, it would not do DDR2-1200 no matter what. 1199 fine, 1200 no boot. I RMA'd it for that reason, they are advertised to support DDR-1200, and it didn't function correctly and as advertised, so it has been replaced.

If I were you I'd RMA mate.

[The Water Dog]

Okey, thanks for the advice=) I will try some more and see.
This sounds crazy, but it did 1200 in Xp:S But is no-go in Vista, thats why i wil try some more=)

[KURTZ]

My week 22 does 4GHZ @ 1.054v on a Striker Extreme but this Mobo needs more voltage, not found MIN yet as I'm still testing FSB but it will be higher than 1.054v.

interesting, have you the same VID (1.1250)?

[humeyboy]

No my VID is 1.2125v which seems weird as it can do 4GHZ on far less than the VID claims to need for stock with and its BS anyhow cause the CPU is 1.2v stock not 1.2125v.

Its the 1st time ever I have had a CPU inc CO Wolfdales that has a VID higher than the stock Voltages but its claimed lower VID's run hotter.

I remember the VID used to change as you OC on my previous CO Wolfdales, this stays static in Coretemp and in RealTemp there is a VID range and its MIN 1.087v to MAX 1.2125v.

I'm having major issues with this Mobo it seems temperamental or flaky and 1 Core drops out at 4.5GHZ (always same Core) but both are stable at about 1.325v and can run on their own overnight (8hours), if I set Affinity to run 1 Core at a time, no amount of voltage gets both to run any length of time (like 15min is MAX)

I am messing with my old memory and its seems to run better (ran 2 hours before I stopped it) but still can act up, weird its only in Small FFT's and I think the Mobo is to blame going by other weird power related issues.

I will need sit down and type out my issues and try get some help later on tonight.

[radaja]

ive given up on my maximusII.it wont do ddr 1200 . going back to my UD3P

[seban]

http://images35.fotosik.pl/35/559c17b552672d31.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

This is 2h P95 stable (turned off test after) but you can see temps...

MB is like this even right after turning the PC ... rest readings built up during Priming. Ambient temps are around 20-23C.

Case is P180 clean/no cables airflow 3x120 Noctua (2x exhoust + 1xCPU) and 1x 120 Scythe intake - which does not change temps by even 1C :D.

HDDs are with PSU so they are not adding any temps into main chamber.

IBT gave me 75 :D after 5mins so I did shoot it down ;).

Both True and CPU are lapped with AS5.

Should I reset MB cooling as I can see most pl has temps in mid 40 at max.

Or should I just send this mobo and take new MF2 without MB issue and new revision as well (this one is pretty old - I can tel from bios which came with it originally - and anyway it was for sure used before...).

What do you think PPL?

EDIT - before commenting my lapping quality I will say that core 3 is almost completely stuck and 4 semi stuck :D

[KURTZ]

No my VID is 1.2125v which seems weird as it can do 4GHZ on far less than the VID claims to need for stock with and its BS anyhow cause the CPU is 1.2v stock not 1.2125v.

Its the 1st time ever I have had a CPU inc CO Wolfdales that has a VID higher than the stock Voltages but its claimed lower VID's run hotter.

I remember the VID used to change as you OC on my previous CO Wolfdales, this stays static in Coretemp and in RealTemp there is a VID range and its MIN 1.087v to MAX 1.2125v.

I'm having major issues with this Mobo it seems temperamental or flaky and 1 Core drops out at 4.5GHZ (always same Core) but both are stable at about 1.325v and can run on their own overnight (8hours), if I set Affinity to run 1 Core at a time, no amount of voltage gets both to run any length of time (like 15min is MAX)

I am messing with my old memory and its seems to run better (ran 2 hours before I stopped it) but still can act up, weird its only in Small FFT's and I think the Mobo is to blame going by other weird power related issues.

I will need sit down and type out my issues and try get some help later on tonight.

yes, with real temp i've 0.9375 to 1..1250 it's a 435 (final numbers) ... anyway my mobo is died :( when i start my system i've an infinite series of fake boots ... unfortunately some liquid cooler is gone onto the pcb ...

[carepolice]

yes, with real temp i've 0.9375 to 1..1250 it's a 435 (final numbers) ... anyway my mobo is died :( when i start my system i've an infinite series of fake boots ... unfortunately some liquid cooler is gone onto the pcb ...

Shame :(

[humeyboy]

Sometimes this Mobo wont boot even at stock esp if i have changed any setting in bios even 1 not to do with speed or voltage.

Fix is to unplug it and press the power button a few times then boot up as normal, but at times it loads up defaults or setting I have never touched or set in Bios like Skew etc.

I then need load my own Profile and boot up.

I think this is another CRAP ROG Mobo and I have had the Crosshair/Striker Extreme/Striker II Formula and now this Buggy POS.

[Grnfinger]

Sometimes this Mobo wont boot even at stock esp if i have changed any setting in bios even 1 not to do with speed or voltage.

Fix is to unplug it and press the power button a few times then boot up as normal, but at times it loads up defaults or setting I have never touched or set in Bios like Skew etc.

I then need load my own Profile and boot up.

I think this is another CRAP ROG Mobo and I have had the Crosshair/Striker Extreme/Striker II Formula and now this Buggy POS.

If your loading a saved profile from pervious bios versions it wil create problems. Always clear cmos and load settings manually.
Personally I use AFUDOS and the /pbnc /n switches...

[humeyboy]

No, I always re do my profiles each new bios.

This Mobo is touchy and I'm no better of than I was on the POS Striker Extreme TBH.

[seban]

Any comments on my previous post ? :up:

[JoeBar]

**EDIT - on the NB temp/instability issue, I was just testing and I was using 1.40v NB and half way through SPI32M it errored with 'not exact in round" so I bumped the vNB to 1.51v and it was idleing at 54*C (lol) so I restarted SPI32M it got about 2 loops in and the system bluescreened and restarted. I think it may have got to ~60*C or so, but I cant be sure I didn't have probe open. It was either the voltage or the temp that made it unstable. I see many people run 1.6 vNB on the UD3P's with no stability issues, so its either a NB VRM issue at higher voltages, or A2 rev. NB issue where it cant handle 1.5V+ and gets unstable above 50*C.

I think I am going to pull the boards sinks off again and try to get better contact on the NB, I really want to be able to run up to 1.6 vNB for benching but there's no way I could do that at the moment due to temps.
This is the most annoying "bug" with this mb. :mad:
My oc requires 1.51v vNB which is ok, but anything higher than 1.55v makes system totally unstable.

Temps aren't a problem cause i'm wc'ing the NB.

[WaterFlex]

JoeBar
Does MCW-NBMAX take emitted heat from mosfets and SB efficiently also?

[JoeBar]

JoeBar
Does MCW-NBMAX take emitted heat from mosfets and SB efficiently also?
I haven't tested it on air, to see the diffs from wc'ing, m8. Surely it takes some heat out of mosfets and sb though, cause it seats over the heatpipe.

[WaterFlex]

What is your temps of SB, POWER, NB, MB under linpack? And what is room temp.

Can you post your PC pic, please? ;)

[radaja]

after setting up my UD3P and my new E8400, it was very easy to get 533x8 with cellshocks running 5/6 divider.something which was virtually impossible for (me at least)to do on my new maxII that i got back from RMA.also after i got maxII out of my case i inspected it a little more closely,it is very bowed where the mosfets are and the i/o shield is.it just amazes me how bad these boards are.they look awesome,but performance wise, not that great.also my e8500 needs 1.32v to run 4250 8.5x500 on my UD3P yet on the maxII it needed 1.38-1.39v. same thing with my new E8400.so it seems that the 6phase power of the UD3P is much more better than the 12 phase of the maxII.maybe the A3 revision of the p45 is what makes the UD3P better,i dont know? but i do know that ive have had two MAXII and they are nowhere near as good as the UD3P. for instance how many bio's has the maxII had?how many made a difference?have any fixed the main problems? no.but my main gripe w/maxII is the craftmanship,maybe im unlucky to get two twisted and bowed boards, maybe there are flat ones out there?i dont know,but paying 270$ for a board that doesnt work and having to send it back only to recieve a warped and twisted one back makes me a little upset. and the board i bought(130$)to hold me over till i got my RMA backout performs it in every aspect.it just pisses me off.well enough venting guess ill just bight the bullitt on this one,im out 270$ with a board that gonna sit in a box from now on. edit-the one real great thing about maxII is all the sensors.

[WaterFlex]

radaja
I`m agree with you ;)

[JoeBar]

What is your temps of SB, POWER, NB, MB under linpack? And what is room temp.

Can you post your PC pic, please? ;)

I haven't checked with Linpack but after 2hours prime blend and 21'C ambient temp, i got:
NB: 47'C (with 1.51v vNB)
SB: 46'C
Power: 46'C
MB: 39'C

BTW here's a quick shot of my system i took for u now... :)

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8393/p1000168ft2.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000168ft2.jpg)

[WaterFlex]

JoeBar
Wow. Amazing system. I like it very much!

Very nice temps of NB and SB. But Power (mosfets) and MB temps are quite high, aren they?

I ask you about it because I have a serious problem.
Before LCS I had TT BT VX which blew around CPU socket area. My system was totally stable. After installing LCS, I became totally unstable. To fix it, I had to place fan and put it on tubes:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8563/p10103952tc0.jpg

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/15/p10103962tl0.jpg

[JoeBar]

After using many asus motherboards with inaccurate mb temps i stopped taking them into consideration... :p:

As for pwr temp, i don't think that they're high if u consider the facts that i run with high vNB (which stresses the entire heatpipe system) and no active cooling on the mosfets. What do u get when priming blend?


BTW since u have the 120mm fan blowing u don't need asus crappy fan...

[WaterFlex]

With fan when priming I have NB=50, Power=38, SB=46, MB=35. Ambient is 26-27. Stableness.
Without fan: NB=60, Power 44, SB=50, MB=40. totally unstable... Even 50 passes of Linpack with 200 RAM usage gives me 1 of 50.......

[JoeBar]

If i should point a possible reason for your instability, i would go for the high NB temp when without a fan.

[WaterFlex]

But I start getting errors when NB is still 51, Power=40, SB=49, MB=35.

[Gendo]

I am finding it almost impossible to get 666 MHz (DDR2-1333) bench stable. My CellShock GKX & TeamGroup GMH sticks all top out at 660MHz, and my Team Group can do 666MHz max screen but very unstable. More vdimm is not helping, neither is the DDR2 CHA/B ref or NB DDR Ref voltages.

Has anyone got over 666MHz on this board?

Asus need to improve the ram overclocking ability. The UD3P leaves the M2F in the dust in this regard.

Yeah I have, slightly:p: This was 2 months ago so it must have been one of the first bioses out there. I don't have the board anymore so can't check it either. But yes 666+ is possible.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn7/OTHGendo/716.jpg

Edit: I know it says ddr3 but it is the m2f. This was when cpu-z was stil giving errors with P45 so yeah that proves it's old.
I believe the bios version I used was 0503, not 100% sure but looking at the list of bioses that version rings the most bells:p:
100% sure my bios was 0802 or older. (the roms are still on my usb:p:)

Edit2: And about the NB problem you're having: I've noticed that going higher than ~1.43v causes instability and lowers fsb overclocking. But trust me, 1.43v is enough for both high fsb and high mem clocking. Proof: http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=778618

[radaja]

i think after thanksgiving weekend im going to RMA my RMA. i'll take some pictures of it so they can see the crap they are sending out to paying customers.maybe my next one will be of some sort of quality standard.who knows?just maybe. i can hope.

[xaver]

new bios 1702 available

Maximus II Formula 1702 Bios
1. Add "Intel(R) C-STATE tech" item
2. Revise CPU Speed when "Ai Overclock Tuner" is "Auto"

[screwtech02]

Yep, old news, best out is still 1307........:shakes:

[CryptiK]

after setting up my UD3P and my new E8400, it was very easy to get 533x8 with cellshocks running 5/6 divider.something which was virtually impossible for (me at least)to do on my new maxII that i got back from RMA.also after i got maxII out of my case i inspected it a little more closely,it is very bowed where the mosfets are and the i/o shield is.it just amazes me how bad these boards are.they look awesome,but performance wise, not that great.also my e8500 needs 1.32v to run 4250 8.5x500 on my UD3P yet on the maxII it needed 1.38-1.39v. same thing with my new E8400.so it seems that the 6phase power of the UD3P is much more better than the 12 phase of the maxII.maybe the A3 revision of the p45 is what makes the UD3P better,i dont know? but i do know that ive have had two MAXII and they are nowhere near as good as the UD3P. for instance how many bio's has the maxII had?how many made a difference?have any fixed the main problems? no.but my main gripe w/maxII is the craftmanship,maybe im unlucky to get two twisted and bowed boards, maybe there are flat ones out there?i dont know,but paying 270$ for a board that doesnt work and having to send it back only to recieve a warped and twisted one back makes me a little upset. and the board i bought(130$)to hold me over till i got my RMA backout performs it in every aspect.it just pisses me off.well enough venting guess ill just bight the bullitt on this one,im out 270$ with a board that gonna sit in a box from now on. edit-the one real great thing about maxII is all the sensors.

My board was not bowed. Perhaps I just got a good sample, every manufacturer has a few less than perfect samples floating around, like the UD3P's that blew up taking the cherry picked e8600's with them, and the other that blew running DDR2-1100 and took out 4GB ($300 worth) of G.Skill PI 9600.

I can't comment on the CPU VRM compared to the UD3P as I haven't used one, but mine seems fine, it requires the exact same vcore as my P5Q-Deluxe did for the same clocks.

When you say 533 FSB / 639.5 MHz was virtually impossible, do you mean you couldn't get it perfectly stable, or you couldn't bench, or you couldn't get into windows? I can bench at 534 FSB / 640 MHz at 1.40 vNB & 2.2 vdimm, but it's not stable, I'd need closer to 2.4 vdimm to get 640 MHz stable. I can also bench 550 FSB / 660 MHz but I would have to increase vNB & vdimm to stabilize that, but I think the NB temps at the required vNB would prevent stability.

I think the M2F is a good solid all rounder, and the temp/voltage readouts are a definite plus. Perhaps the UD3P is better at high ram clocks and high FSB (due to A3 rev. chipset) and I'd like to get one to try them out, but the M2F is a good 24/7 P45 board.


Yeah I have, slightly:p: This was 2 months ago so it must have been one of the first bioses out there. I don't have the board anymore so can't check it either. But yes 666+ is possible.

Edit: I know it says ddr3 but it is the m2f. This was when cpu-z was stil giving errors with P45 so yeah that proves it's old.
I believe the bios version I used was 0503, not 100% sure but looking at the list of bioses that version rings the most bells:p:
100% sure my bios was 0802 or older. (the roms are still on my usb:p:)

Edit2: And about the NB problem you're having: I've noticed that going higher than ~1.43v causes instability and lowers fsb overclocking. But trust me, 1.43v is enough for both high fsb and high mem clocking. Proof: http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=778618

Sorry mate but thats using the 3:5 divider so its really 2:3 giving 644.4 MHz (DDR-1289 MHz). Still nothing to be taken lightly, but I'm still yet to see someone get over what I can get with this board.

I have also found my GKX do not clock as well as my GMH. The GKX do lower clocks on less voltage, and clock better on CL4, but wont go as high as the GMH.

[radaja]

@cryptik, at even 500x8 let alone 533x8 i couldnt get it to even bootpast det ramduring boot cycle. i was however able to get it to boot into windows at 499x8.i really think that ive gotten two bad boards. i dont know if you remember my first one(very low volts issue) and every success i had on that one 466x9 priming for 1hr was followed by next reboot same settings fail prime after 1 second.it was a very flakey board.and now this board gets sent to me and its all warped is just plain frustating.i wish i had one that decent like yours. cause dont get me wrong i really liked the maxII thats why i bought it and sold my P5Q deluxe.anyway im just venting i do think the maxII is a great board,i mean just look at the newegg reviews its been the #1 p45 board for months now.i just wish i had a good one.cheers

[CryptiK]

That definitely sounds like a dodgey board, what a shame, and really bad luck to get 2 bad boards in a row. I do remember your first board's issues and it was very strange too. I have seen a few guys that also got UD3P's that could not do 500 FSB+ no matter what, and they RMA'd and the replacements did it without raising a sweat. I think perhaps there is a lot of variation in the FSB capabilities of the P45 chipsets, A2 and A3, some are great, some are decent, and some are terrible. If I were you I'd try and sell the M2F and get something back for it, I can understand why you're not happy after paying the premium for this board.

[Rocks]

Yeah I have, slightly:p: This was 2 months ago so it must have been one of the first bioses out there. I don't have the board anymore so can't check it either. But yes 666+ is possible.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn7/OTHGendo/716.jpg

Edit: I know it says ddr3 but it is the m2f. This was when cpu-z was stil giving errors with P45 so yeah that proves it's old.
I believe the bios version I used was 0503, not 100% sure but looking at the list of bioses that version rings the most bells:p:
100% sure my bios was 0802 or older. (the roms are still on my usb:p:)

Edit2: And about the NB problem you're having: I've noticed that going higher than ~1.43v causes instability and lowers fsb overclocking. But trust me, 1.43v is enough for both high fsb and high mem clocking. Proof: http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=778618

Really strange thing but try this. Whenever I run a 400 FSB and set the FSB strap to 400 then run my memory @ 1200...The PC boots into windows and my memory runs at 1333. I have no idea why this is. It is perfectly stable but the benchamarks are no better than than 1200 or 1066 for that matter.

Anyone else get this bug? It happens consistently on every BIOS I have used. I have DDR2 12000 PArtior Vipers 4x1GB.

--Rocks

[radaja]

@cryptik, looks like my mushkin redline pc8000 2x1 4-5-4-11 kit is bad as well. i cant get either board to boot with these sticks.both boards light up but wont even get into bios.so i guess more bad luck

[CryptiK]

Really strange thing but try this. Whenever I run a 400 FSB and set the FSB strap to 400 then run my memory @ 1200...The PC boots into windows and my memory runs at 1333. I have no idea why this is. It is perfectly stable but the benchamarks are no better than than 1200 or 1066 for that matter.

Anyone else get this bug? It happens consistently on every BIOS I have used. I have DDR2 12000 PArtior Vipers 4x1GB.

--Rocks

That's the 3:5 divider bug I'm talking about. You set 2:3 divider in bios, and in windows it looks like the 3:5 divider. It's a P35/P45 chipset bug.


@cryptik, looks like my mushkin redline pc8000 2x1 4-5-4-11 kit is bad as well. i cant get either board to boot with these sticks.both boards light up but wont even get into bios.so i guess more bad luck

Oh damn. Have you tried the sticks individually?

[humeyboy]

new bios 1702 available

Posted days ago, so was bug it has.

[WaterFlex]

Guys...help me please with my problem described above.

[CryptiK]

I'm not sure what it can be exactly, as my board is totally stable with a NB temp of 53*C, and my power has been up to 38 - 42*C on a hot day and it was still stable, and my southbridge has hit 51 - 52*C and it was still stable.

You are going to have to spot cool the mosfet sinks and retest, then spot cool the NB and retest, then spot cool the SB and retest. You have to figure out where the instability is coming from. When you do it bring each component (mosfets, NB, SB) down to the temp it used to be at when you were aircooling.

[WaterFlex]

CryptiK
Thank you, bro! I`ll find out it soon.

[Eeky NoX]

To make it sure I'm ganna work on this oc ram issues next week ;) (as possible)

6 pairs of PC8500/9200 to compare with my old 680i an a P965 based Commando arrivin' soon...(Dominator/Geil/TeamXtream...& what I gat)

My crucials (gmh) don't even need more than 2,2v to boot @640 and they're pretty easier to increase than my OCZ Reaper & Flex...ahh sweet old times ^^


Do you think that better Bios would give us what we need mate ???

[radaja]

yea ive tried each stick seperatly. no go

[Grnfinger]

i think after thanksgiving weekend im going to RMA my RMA. i'll take some pictures of it so they can see the crap they are sending out to paying customers.maybe my next one will be of some sort of quality standard.who knows?just maybe. i can hope.

Call them and demand a replacement.
I did it with my Max X38 and Asus paid for overnight shipping.
I sent photos of my bowed board and they were very quick to help me.


To make it sure I'm ganna work on this oc ram issues next week ;) (as possible)

6 pairs of PC8500/9200 to compare with my old 680i an a P965 based Commando arrivin' soon...(Dominator/Geil/TeamXtream...& what I gat)

My crucials (gmh) don't even need more than 2,2v to boot @640 and they're pretty easier to increase than my OCZ Reaper & Flex...ahh sweet old times ^^


Do you think that better Bios would give us what we need mate ???

The board has alot of potential, once / if the bios matures I think it will be a solid performer.
Problem is most of the "special" bios features do not work and untill the Bios Engineers get them working we will never know the boards full capabilities.

[CryptiK]

yea ive tried each stick seperatly. no go

That's no good, looks like they're dead. RMA time :rolleyes:

You should definitely demand a replacement board, that is just not good enough. Send them the pics and say you want a replacement asap. I had to RMA my P5Q-D and the retailer I purchased it from said their distributor had repaired it and were going to send it back to me. I said that was not good enough, and that I wanted a new board and that they must pretest it and guarantee it could do what it was advertised to do before they sent it to me. They complied without argument.

[radaja]

grnfinger&cryptik what phone# are u guys using to get a hold of someone at asus that can help in these situations.?

[CryptiK]

I didnt contact asus directly, I contacted the retailer I bought the board from and told them I wanted a new board and that they had to pretest it. Is there the number/contact email on your countries Asus page?

[Grnfinger]

grnfinger&cryptik what phone# are u guys using to get a hold of someone at asus that can help in these situations.?

These are the North American numbers and web site to trac your status which is a useless site.

http://livesupport.asus.com
510-739-3777 or 812-282-2787

[radaja]

grnfinger,thanks for all your help

[CryptiK]

Some 3D Benches at 24/7 settings with my old 8800GT:

Aquamark:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/AQM3712-1782-9004GHz1068MHz.jpg

3D Mark 03:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/3dm03712-1782-9004GHz1068MHz.jpg

3D Mark 05:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/3dm05712-1782-9004GHz1068MHz.jpg

3D Mark 06:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/3dm06712-1782-9004GHz1068MHz.jpg

[Rocks]

Cryptik,

I am trying desperatley to increase my RAM speed alongside my CPU speed. So far the highest speed I can get stable @ 4ghz is 942. I cannot run my RAM at 1255 no matter what I try. I can run it @ 1200 with a lower CPU speed but @ 4ghz I cannot get much bandwidth on my RAM. Which voltages do you suggest I play with the try to get stable? I've tried NB but to no avail. I'm thinking where I am at is most likely the best I can get. It is definitely solid but I want more!!

Thanks,

--Rocks

These are at idle:

Temperatures
Motherboard 34 °C (93 °F)
CPU 21 °C (70 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 36 °C (97 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 38 °C (100 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 34 °C (93 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 31 °C (88 °F)
North Bridge 42 °C (108 °F)
South Bridge 41 °C (106 °F)
PWM 33 °C (91 °F)
GPU 37 °C (99 °F)
GPU Memory 29 °C (84 °F)
GPU Ambient 30 °C (86 °F)
GPU VRM 31 °C (88 °F)

Cooling Fans
CPU 1480 RPM
GPU 990 RPM (62%)

Voltage Values

CPU Core 1.352 V
+3.3 V 3.264 V
+5 V 4.944 V
+12 V 11.928 V
+5 V Standby 5.139 V
CPU VTT 1.422 V
CPU PLL 1.574 V
North Bridge +1.1 V 1.422 V
South Bridge +1.1 V 1.177 V
South Bridge +1.5 V 1.501 V
DIMM 2.289 V
DIMM VTT 1.144 V
GPU Vcc 3.218 V

[CryptiK]

The thing is with 4GB of ram, getting over 1200 stable will be pretty difficult. I assume you are using 473 FSB x 8.5 = 4020.5 MHz?

If so, try the 5:6 divider, putting the ram speed at 1135 MHz.

Set:
Primary Ram Timings = 5-5-5-15-3-40-6-3 (leave the rest on auto)
Common Performance Level (PL) = 8
Static read Control = enabled
Dram Read Training = enabled
Ai Clock Twister = moderate
NB voltage = 1.45v
vdimm = 2.2v

Can you get that to run stable? What kind of bandwidth do you get compared to where you are at now?

[Rocks]

Awesome man, bandwidth is much better. I assume that I should enable the OC charger as well? How about the pull-ins? Keep them disabled? I running stress tests right now...seems stable.

My FSB is 471 so Mem is @ 1130. I will post the results in a sec I will edit this post.


Edit:

Original bandwidth:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7206/cachememoriginaldn9.png

New bandwidth:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9756/cachememnewpv2.png

I think its better, further tweaks could improve the write maybe?


--Rocks

[CryptiK]

That's much better. I'm not sure if you'll need OC Charger enabled, from what I can tell it may increase drive strength on the ram, and if you enable it you may be able to drop a bit off your vdimm. I run it disabled unless I'm clocking ram over 1200 MHz, in fact the ram will not go above 1210 MHz without it enabled. You may be able to run 2.0 - 2.1v vdimm since you're at 1130 MHz, we can try it first with mem OC charger disabled and see if your stable.

Ok now set:

Ai Clock Twister = 'Stronger', this will give you a drop in the latency and a small boost in bandwidth, if you can't stabilize it, try running it on 'strong'.
Sadly the Pull-ins do nothing as they do not work, so just leave them disabled.
Mem OC Charger disabled

If this is stable, try dropping your vdimm to 2.1v and re-test it.

[Rocks]

PC stuck on DRAM without OC charger enabled. If I enable OC charged still @ 2.2v DIMM, this is my bandwidth and just a fast test of prime 95 gave an error after 6 minutes.

This is with twister on stronger and DIMMv @ 2.2v.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2337/cachememstrongerlr5.png

I tried to run the twister on strong and stronger @ both 2.1 and 2.2 volts and neither would post without OC charger enabled.

--Rocks

[CryptiK]

Ok looks like your ram needs it then. Since you're getting an error and you're already at 1.45 vNB, try setting AI Clock Twister on 'strong' and see if your stable. If not, drop to 'moderate' and see if that helps.

[Rocks]

Strange I dropped the DIMMv to 2.1 and it seems prime 95 stable. Intelburntest bluescreened. You know, I am not so sure how far I should put my trust in these programs. I have yet to get a blue screen or a freeze with my overclocks on this board without running these stress testers.

I only get blue screens when I run these tests....go figure.

I'll up it to 2.2 v again and test it on strong I guess.

[CryptiK]

Since you bluescreened in linpack, might need to bump up your vcore, try 1.38v.

What are your four GTL Ref's set to?

[Rocks]

Ok I've raised the CPU core to 1.38, haven't tested it yet. My GTLs are:

GTL0 = +20mv
GTL1 = +40mv
GTL2 = +20mv
GTL3 = +40mv
NBGTL + +30mv

The 1.38 Vcore stablized it. My temps were through the roof though high 80s. Got a water cooler on the way, should be here tomorrow. My idle temps are solid as well as prime 95 temps. Prime 95 temps are mid 60s. Idle temps are mid 30 to low 40s. Thats is with a Tjunction of 100C. The water cooler I got is an all in one job. I'll link it up, but its in Japense so you might not be able to read it. It is the newer version of the EVERCOOL EC-WC-202.

It is the http://www.taoenter.co.jp/product/suireikit/WC-212.html

I am hoping it will cool better than my Silent square. The fact that it is water should help but I am a bit worried...

--Rocks

[CryptiK]

Try it as is, just increase vcore to 1.38v and run linpack 6 passes stress level 1.

If thats better, then try GTL Tweaking.

Set your GTL's to:

GTL 0 +10mv
GTL 1 -35mv
GTL 2 +10mv
GTL 3 -35mv

Does that make it better or worse?

[Rocks]

Stable 6 times no change in temps. I have loadline enabled so my vcore will hit 1.39 during load. temps hit the 90s with these settings. Hopefully the water cooler will bring them down.

[CryptiK]

Good to hear that stabilized it. I used to have a Silent square and even lapped my e6300 was pushing 76*C in prime. even a TRUE would bring them down 10 - 20*C, you should be mid to high 70's with that voltage. Hope the watercooling helps, I can't read japanese but that appears to be a small kit, have you read any reviews on it? Petra's Tech Shop is a great place for all your watercooling needs if you want to try and get something more hardcore.

[Rocks]

Here is my 3D mark 2006 score with these settings. I will increase the fan speed and see if it helps...

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/797/3dmarkvd2.jpg

[GeorgeVasil]

After 20h searching for 9*500 stabillity..i want to share my result with u guys..:)

Lowest Vcore for Realtime 32M (no tweaks)

http://www.outofspecs.gr/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4878&d=1228079109

A litle bit vcore and we have wprime,vantage,pcmark etc..

http://www.outofspecs.gr/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4877&d=1228079021

Still searching for stability..i want to keep the voltage low..because a 0.04v up gives me +5 C under prime.

I tried several settings..

I tried the CPU Clock skew range from normal to 800ps..(it acts like not working)..

I tried GTL from .60-.67 ..nothing..and combitation of them (0.61 - 0.63 etc)..

My chipset temps are 47 idle (with water and new swifteck block) load under small ffts goes 52 and under blend goes at 58-60 with 1.33 vnb.I ensured the good contact twice.(crappy temps).

I think that my M2F get unstable because of high temps at chipset.

Rams@1000 2*1GB D9GMH for testing..l8r i will test with GSKill PI 4GB.

BIOS 1307

I want you opinion guyz..:(

[Rocks]

Good to hear that stabilized it. I used to have a Silent square and even lapped my e6300 was pushing 76*C in prime. even a TRUE would bring them down 10 - 20*C, you should be mid to high 70's with that voltage. Hope the watercooling helps, I can't read japanese but that appears to be a small kit, have you read any reviews on it? Petra's Tech Shop is a great place for all your watercooling needs if you want to try and get something more hardcore.

Prime 95 is mid to high 60s which is about the same I guess but when I use IBT, man it shoots up to high 80s low 90s. That program really puts out the heat.

[CryptiK]

@ GeorgeVasil - 4500 @ 1.288 is fantastic, nice chip you have there.

They are high chipset temps, especially for water. Have you placed washers behind the NB mounting screws? I just did that and the extra mounting pressure helped reduce the temps a few degrees. The chipset cooling design of these boards really leaves a lot to be desired.

When you use CPU clock skew, did you also use NB clock skew in conjunction with it? I found setting them the same (eg 300ps on both the cpu & NB) can improve stability in Orthos, but not in Linpack.

@ Rocks - yes linpack gets the cpu the hottest, but remember normal usage load temps wont ever approach those temps.

[Rocks]

@ GeorgeVasil - 4500 @ 1.288 is fantastic, nice chip you have there.

They are high chipset temps, especially for water. Have you placed washers behind the NB mounting screws? I just did that and the extra mounting pressure helped reduce the temps a few degrees. The chipset cooling design of these boards really leaves a lot to be desired.

When you use CPU clock skew, did you also use NB clock skew in conjunction with it? I found setting them the same (eg 300ps on both the cpu & NB) can improve stability in Orthos, but not in Linpack.

@ Rocks - yes linpack gets the cpu the hottest, but remember normal usage load temps wont ever approach those temps.

Yeah I agree, so what is the point in having it max out temps like that? It could give invalid BSODs.

If my water cooler can reduce my temps by at least 10c I will be happy.

[GeorgeVasil]

@ GeorgeVasil - 4500 @ 1.288 is fantastic, nice chip you have there.

They are high chipset temps, especially for water. Have you placed washers behind the NB mounting screws? I just did that and the extra mounting pressure helped reduce the temps a few degrees. The chipset cooling design of these boards really leaves a lot to be desired.

When you use CPU clock skew, did you also use NB clock skew in conjunction with it? I found setting them the same (eg 300ps on both the cpu & NB) can improve stability in Orthos, but not in Linpack.


No i Haven't placed any Washers..!I need a foto if you have.

Maybe the Probe reads wrong .. i wll measure it with a real sensor when i got one..:p:

I will try to make a custom bottom plate for my block, I will make smth more rutty.

I will try the NB clock Skew...thanks for the advise.

ASUS should (no should ---> MUST) make a new bios in order to make all that settings work Properly.

Still Trying.. to get best Vcore for Prime..

89983

[Eeky NoX]

Waoh! That's a great chip mate ;)

So Cryptik if ya wana see some 3D Benchs, you should look at what I've done last night :

http://soj.mesdiscussions.net/soj/Cartes-Graphiques/AMD-Ati/sapphire-hd4870-crossfire-sujet_121_1.htm

I clam 3 walls yesterday, all on air : such a satisfaction my friends ya know ?


Sorry all cus' my thread is only in french, but any comment ??

[CryptiK]

71 470 marks 2003
29 258 marks 2005
19 640 marks 2006

Really nice results mate :up:

[GeorgeVasil]

Waoh! That's a great chip mate ;)

So Cryptik if ya wana see some 3D Benchs, you should look at what I've done last night :

http://soj.mesdiscussions.net/soj/Cartes-Graphiques/AMD-Ati/sapphire-hd4870-crossfire-sujet_121_1.htm

I clam 3 walls yesterday, all on air : such a satisfaction my friends ya know ?


Sorry all cus' my thread is only in french, but any comment ??

Thanks M8..:D

Great Results with CF.

Can you post your M2F setings used for 3d benching?

:up:

[Nunzi]

Need some help trying to get 4.1 I keep falling prime small fft's on worker thread 3

Hers my settings........... any help would be Aprecheated

P.S pulled out 2 stick running only 4 gigs

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 456
CPU Clock Skew: auto
NB Clock Skew: auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1095MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 250ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 250ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 250ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 250ps
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto


3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: disabled
MEM. OC Charger: enabled
Ai Clock Twister: stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 8
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.3875
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.35175
DRAM Voltage: 2.15775
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35150
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): +20
CPU GTL Reference (1):-+20
CPU GTL Reference (2): +20
CPU GTL Reference (3):-+20mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[GeorgeVasil]

@Nunzi

1st) Leave DRAM CLK Skew @ Auto

2nd)

CPU GTL Reference (0):+45mv
CPU GTL Reference (1):-45mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +45mv
CPU GTL Reference (3):-45mv

3rd)Ai Clock Twister: Auto

[CryptiK]

Try Georges settings, also try a range of GTL Ref settings. Here's 3 sets you could try:

CPU GTL Reference (0): +30mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): -10mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +30mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): -10mv

CPU GTL Reference (0): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto

CPU GTL Reference (0): +50mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +10mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +50mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +10mv

[radaja]

http://i36.tinypic.com/10qksxx.jpghttp://i38.tinypic.com/nm0yn5.jpg

[Nunzi]

Thanks for the info guys.......going to try settings now

[KURTZ]

Fix is to unplug it and press the power button a few times then boot up as normal, but at times it loads up defaults or setting I have never touched or set in Bios like Skew etc.



OK this fix the infinite fake boot bug, and finally i can enter in the BIOS, but now i've a huge trouble, i can't enter in windows ... also i can't install a new fresh copy of the OS ... cause every time that it loads (and finish) the files from the CD i get a reboot so the installing process isn't finished ... any tip?

[Alastor2262]

having trouble getting my system stable under Prime 95 it usually failed around the 1 hour mark however it is stable under linpack 10 pass.
any advice welcome




Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
North Bridge Clock Skew : Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1116MHz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : MODERATE
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Enabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.29875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.27225
DRAM Voltage : 2.00
North Bridge Voltage : 1.23250
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.10

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : -40mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : -40mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : +30mv
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference : Auto

Load Line Calibration : Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Alastor2262/q9650.jpg

[Nunzi]

Need some help trying to get 4.1 I keep falling prime small fft's on worker thread 3

Hers my settings........... any help would be Aprecheated

P.S pulled out 2 stick running only 4 gigs

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 456
CPU Clock Skew: auto
NB Clock Skew: auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1095MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 250ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 250ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 250ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 250ps
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto


3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: disabled
MEM. OC Charger: enabled
Ai Clock Twister: stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 8
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.3875
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.35175
DRAM Voltage: 2.15775
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35150
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): +20
CPU GTL Reference (1):-+20
CPU GTL Reference (2): +20
CPU GTL Reference (3):-+20mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

still droping the 3rd worker thread eny other settings I can try?

Thanks

[Eeky NoX]

Thanks M8..:D

Great Results with CF.

Can you post your M2F setings used for 3d benching?

:up:

Nothing special, but crasy voltages for aircooling :p:

I just remebered that those settings were for 4,8 :rofl: Now I trying to go down cus' the heat grows over 85° (sorry for °)

Still startin' up the OS @4,5 with all voltage on auto and 1,32v for the core...but I've got to dig for now (this mobo's teachin me ya know ? :up: )

[GeorgeVasil]

This is the best i can do with the voltages...

CryptiK i tryied both CPU&Clock Skews,they really affect stabillity.

http://www.outofspecs.gr/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4901&d=1228164375

1,336 VCore
1,16 VTT
0.64x GTL (-30mv)

[JoeBar]

My chipset temps are 47 idle (with water and new swifteck block) load under small ffts goes 52 and under blend goes at 58-60 with 1.33 vnb.I ensured the good contact twice.(crappy temps).

I think that my M2F get unstable because of high temps at chipset.
These are some pretty high numbers. Mine tops @ 47'C with 1.51vNB, cooled by NBMAX.

Did u took apart the whole heatsink assembly when installing your wb or just the heatsink on the NB?

[GeorgeVasil]

These are some pretty high numbers. Mine tops @ 47'C with 1.51vNB, cooled by NBMAX.

Did u took apart the whole heatsink assembly when installing your wb or just the heatsink on the NB?

Only the heatsink on the NB..:shrug:

[Grnfinger]

Only the heatsink on the NB..:shrug:

I reseated the whole assembly, my NB at idle is a cool 37c with ambiant air at 20c under load 44-45c max with 1.39vNB
I use a MCW30 for the NB

[JoeBar]

Only the heatsink on the NB..:shrug:
I would suggest removing the whole assembly and reapplying some proper thermalpaste but i know it's a pain in the @ss to do this.

However something is definitely wrong there with your temps mate...

[GeorgeVasil]

I reseated the whole assembly, my NB at idle is a cool 37c with ambiant air at 20c under load 44-45c max with 1.39vNB
I use a MCW30 for the NB


I would suggest removing the whole assembly and reapplying some proper thermalpaste but i know it's a pain in the @ss to do this.

However something is definitely wrong there with your temps mate...

Thanks for the answers guys!

I think that my MCW-NBMAX only mounts proper on the whole assembly.

If i remove the whole assembly i'll need after market coolers for PWR and SB..:(:(

I will try for some whasers and a new custom plate for the block first.

PS.MR JoeBar γιατί δεν τα γράφεις ελληνικά ρε συ φίλε??:ROTF::ROTF:

[SiGfever]

Thanks for the answers guys!

I think that my MCW-NBMAX only mounts proper on the whole assembly.

If i remove the whole assembly i'll need after market coolers for PWR and SB..:(:(

I will try for some whasers and a new custom plate for the block first.

PS.MR JoeBar γιατί δεν τα γράφεις ελληνικά ρε συ φίλε??:ROTF::ROTF:

No they mean for you to keep the heatpipe assembly just pull it off, clean off the crap Asus TIM, reapply some good TIM, and remount the heatpipe assembly along with your waterblock.

[GeorgeVasil]

No they mean for you to keep the heatpipe assembly just pull it off, clean off the crap Asus TIM, reapply some good TIM, and remount the heatpipe assembly along with your waterblock.

Ahh ok My bad..:D

I have done this Twice Guys..I have Applied Ceramique..but same Sh@t..:p:

[andressergio]

Guys my first tests with this great mobo, the Q9650 and the EVGA 8800 ULTRA vmoded

My Special Thanks to my mates Cryptik and Leeghoofd for all the help !!!

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1715/evga8800ultra7561836252qv3.jpg

[WaterFlex]

Good job. Try 500x8. P45 allows and can handle such clock stable with quads.

[andressergio]

Good job. Try 500x8. P45 allows and can handle such clock stable with quads.

Thanks mate :up: will try, just figuring out what VTT / VCORE / NB for that...

Cheers
Sergio

[CryptiK]

Guys my first tests with this great mobo, the Q9650 and the EVGA 8800 ULTRA vmoded

My Special Thanks to my mates Cryptik and Leeghoofd for all the help !!!



Hola amigo, thanks for sharing, nice score. The ultra is punching well above it's weight. Good to see you in here finally :D

[CryptiK]

Just did 3 SPI32M runs with my M2F and Cellshock PC-8000 GKX sticks. This board has strange behaviour, it is most stable on the 5:6 divider. The times are bad as I had to run under 4GHz, PL8 (PL9 on first bench), Ai Clock Twister on moderate, and have static read and dram read training disabled. The GKX did ok, max SPI32M stable on 2.20v was 630 MHz.

510 FSB, 612 MHz, PL 9
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/SPI32M510FSB-610MHzPL922vdimm.jpg

517 FSB, 620 MHz, PL 8
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/SPI32M517FSB-620MHzPL822vdimm.jpg

525 FSB, 630 MHz, PL 8
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/SPI32M525FSB-630MHzPL822vdimm.jpg

[andressergio]

Hola amigo, thanks for sharing, nice score. The ultra is punching well above it's weight. Good to see you in here finally :D

LOL yeah after i almost get crazy and you :rofl: and poor leeghoofd also
Thanks mates !! :up:

Sergio

BTW Nice Scores on your mem Cryp, guess i will buy 2x1 to test, impossible on 2x2...i only i had the Gskills PC29600 :rolleyes:

[seban]

I just received answer form Asus support team for question where is MB temp sensor located on MF2?

So... are you ready ? :D - OK here we go:

MB sensor is located - TOP SECRET - by asus :rofl:

They will not tell me period. They asked me to RMA if I have a problem...

New board ordered old one flying to retailer.

[WaterFlex]

I just received answer form Asus support team for question where is MB temp sensor located on MF2?

So... are you ready ? :D - OK here we go:

MB sensor is located - TOP SECRET - by asus :rofl:

They will not tell me period. They asked me to RMA if I have a problem...

New board ordered old one flying to retailer.

Lol.That`s ASUS.:clap:

[CryptiK]

That sounds a bit ridiculous, how can a sensor location be classed top secret I wonder. Well RMA sounds like your only option. You should have bought my board :p:

[seban]

That sounds a bit ridiculous, how can a sensor location be classed top secret I wonder. Well RMA sounds like your only option. You should have bought my board :p:

The funniest thing is that rest of sensor are hmm lets think were they can be ;) but one which really matters as is hard to locate is Top Secret.

Maybe the support guy just did not ask engineers and under pressure gave me this BS.

I do not have to RMA luckily I can still send it back and get my cash back.

[screwtech02]

I thought you guys knew that ASUS "outsources" their "tech support" to local pre-schools... Oh wait, if they did that, it would actually be better.... Oops, my bad....:rolleyes:

[JoeBar]

Ahh ok My bad..:D

I have done this Twice Guys..I have Applied Ceramique..but same Sh@t..:p:

Δεν ξέρω τι να πω ρε φίλε... :p:

I don't know what to say. Something is going on. 60'C under load is very high on water. When u removed the assembly the 2nd time did u noticed if it was making good contact with the chipset?

BTW what's your loop?

[Grnfinger]

He most likely has a nice pocket of air in his loop.
What are the other temps like in comparison?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Just did 3 SPI32M runs with my M2F and Cellshock PC-8000 GKX sticks. This board has strange behaviour, it is most stable on the 5:6 divider. The times are bad as I had to run under 4GHz, PL8 (PL9 on first bench), Ai Clock Twister on moderate, and have static read and dram read training disabled. The GKX did ok, max SPI32M stable on 2.20v was 630 MHz.


I keep trying to get 650 with my Cellshock GKX on my M2F but it just isn't having it. Playing with the clock skews (delay 150ps) at least lets memtest start to run but it eventually ends up freezing. They ran just fine at the same speed on the Maximus Formula X38 (Rampage BIOS) without bothering the skews :confused:

[The Water Dog]

Have lapped my Q6600 and the nb-block( a little better, have to work more on it)
but i had 68-68-62-62, and took of my Noctua and i saw that the hold-down for the cpu are little taller then the cpu:P
So i took that of, and the Noctua( i use push and pull ) on again. With 1.4v on vcore i get: 60-60-57-57. Before the lapping i had around 70-70-65-65
Will oc tomorow and see if i can get a lttle higher=)

[GeorgeVasil]

Stability at 9*500 and 4 GB was very easy just a ~ +0.03 at vNB .


Processor: E8400 E0
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: Delay 300ps (This Gave me more stability at the same vCore - - Thanks CryptiK)
NB Clock Skew: Delay 400ps (This Gave me more stability at the same vNB - Thanks CryptiK)
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1000MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (For Now)

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Auto (For now)
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.341 (Droops to 1.336 under Load)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.16625
DRAM Voltage: 1.9
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.54
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.12 (Those because i have Raid)

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1):-30mv (This means 0.64x anything else at tha 0.61x - 0.67x Range cause prime to stop)
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3):-30mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled


Edit:

4h dual Prime with 4GB.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1692/9500primeblend13364gb4hpt3.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=9500primeblend13364gb4hpt3.jpg)

*My NB temps without a big fan and open window are 62+..still haven't put any washers...but i am 100% sure that the washers will improve my temps.

I will try for 8.5*533 now :P

[radaja]

@GeorgeVasil, thats a very nice e8400! awesome clocks at those volts

[Rocks]

Cryptik,

Thanks for all your help, you pointed me in the right direction and now I am stable with those settings. I got the water cooler, temps didn't change one bit. Now I know air cooling on higher end chips can be just as good as water cooling depending on the setup of course. Lesson learned. I bumped up my FSB to 475 and am stable with it. All other settings are as we discussed.

Everyone says the TJmax for the Q9xxx series is 100C although intel has not published it. Is that still the common consensus? Also, Any settings imparticular you would suggest in the BIOS when using water cooling? For expample, temperature warnings...etc?

Stable 6 passes on intelburntest maximum stress as well as all first pass tests of prime 95.



Temperatures
Motherboard 33 °C (91 °F)
CPU 22 °C (72 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 38 °C (100 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 38 °C (100 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 34 °C (93 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 33 °C (91 °F)
North Bridge 43 °C (109 °F)
South Bridge 41 °C (106 °F)
PWM 34 °C (93 °F)
GPU 40 °C (104 °F)
GPU Memory 32 °C (90 °F)
GPU Ambient 33 °C (91 °F)
GPU VRM 34 °C (93 °F)

Cooling Fans
GPU 985 RPM (62%)

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.376 V
+3.3 V 3.264 V
+5 V 4.944 V
+12 V 11.928 V
+5 V Standby 5.164 V
CPU VTT 1.449 V
CPU PLL 1.574 V
North Bridge +1.1 V 1.449 V
South Bridge +1.1 V 1.124 V
South Bridge +1.5 V 1.501 V
DIMM 2.117 V
DIMM VTT 1.058 V
GPU Vcc 3.218 V


http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/793/cachemembe2.png

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/881/3dmarkscorelb4.jpg

[CryptiK]

I keep trying to get 650 with my Cellshock GKX on my M2F but it just isn't having it. Playing with the clock skews (delay 150ps) at least lets memtest start to run but it eventually ends up freezing. They ran just fine at the same speed on the Maximus Formula X38 (Rampage BIOS) without bothering the skews :confused:

I know it's really hard to do on the M2F for some reason. I will try higher than 525 FSB & 630 MHz today (I tried 534 FSB & 640 MHz yesterday at the same settings as it passed 525/630, but it locked in loop 3).

This board is really stubborn when it comes to ram stability - sure you can hit 650 - 660 and bench everest, but SPI32M stability is nowhere to be seen. Whats the highest you've got SPI32M stable? What is the highest screen you have managed (no stability just SS)?


Have lapped my Q6600 and the nb-block( a little better, have to work more on it)
but i had 68-68-62-62, and took of my Noctua and i saw that the hold-down for the cpu are little taller then the cpu:P
So i took that of, and the Noctua( i use push and pull ) on again. With 1.4v on vcore i get: 60-60-57-57. Before the lapping i had around 70-70-65-65
Will oc tomorow and see if i can get a lttle higher=)

So your temps are even better than I thought, nice. You must have lapped a fair bit off it then :D


Stability at 9*500 and 4 GB was very easy just a ~ +0.03 at vNB .


Processor: E8400 E0
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: Delay 300ps (This Gave me more stability at the same vCore - - Thanks CryptiK)
NB Clock Skew: Delay 400ps (This Gave me more stability at the same vNB - Thanks CryptiK)
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1000MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (For Now)

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Auto (For now)
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.341 (Droops to 1.336 under Load)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.16625
DRAM Voltage: 1.9
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.54
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.12 (Those because i have Raid)

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1):-30mv (This means 0.64x anything else at tha 0.61x - 0.67x Range cause prime to stop)
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3):-30mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled


Edit:

4h dual Prime with 4GB.


*My NB temps without a big fan and open window are 62+..still haven't put any washers...but i am 100% sure that the washers will improve my temps.

I will try for 8.5*533 now :P

Very nice George, that's a killer CPU. Glad it appears much more stable now.


Cryptik,

Thanks for all your help, you pointed me in the right direction and now I am stable with those settings. I got the water cooler, temps didn't change one bit. Now I know air cooling on higher end chips can be just as good as water cooling depending on the setup of course. Lesson learned. I bumped up my FSB to 475 and am stable with it. All other settings are as we discussed.

Everyone says the TJmax for the Q9xxx series is 100C although intel has not published it. Is that still the common consensus? Also, Any settings imparticular you would suggest in the BIOS when using water cooling? For expample, temperature warnings...etc?

Stable 6 passes on intelburntest maximum stress as well as all first pass tests of prime 95.




Temperatures
Motherboard 33 °C (91 °F)
CPU 22 °C (72 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 38 °C (100 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 38 °C (100 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 34 °C (93 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 33 °C (91 °F)
North Bridge 43 °C (109 °F)
South Bridge 41 °C (106 °F)
PWM 34 °C (93 °F)
GPU 40 °C (104 °F)
GPU Memory 32 °C (90 °F)
GPU Ambient 33 °C (91 °F)
GPU VRM 34 °C (93 °F)

Cooling Fans
GPU 985 RPM (62%)

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.376 V
+3.3 V 3.264 V
+5 V 4.944 V
+12 V 11.928 V
+5 V Standby 5.164 V
CPU VTT 1.449 V
CPU PLL 1.574 V
North Bridge +1.1 V 1.449 V
South Bridge +1.1 V 1.124 V
South Bridge +1.5 V 1.501 V
DIMM 2.117 V
DIMM VTT 1.058 V
GPU Vcc 3.218 V



Nice work there, good to hear its stable. Those E0 9550's go pretty well. your board temps look good. I'm not 100% sure about the Tjmax, but I think that 90*C is scary hot, so you could drop that to 70*C or so for the NB/SB, same for the power etc.

[Rocks]

Nice work there, good to hear its stable. Those E0 9550's go pretty well. your board temps look good. I'm not 100% sure about the Tjmax, but I think that 90*C is scary hot, so you could drop that to 70*C or so for the NB/SB, same for the power etc.

Not sure what you mean here by drop. NB/SB are quite cool in the 40s under prime95 and intelburtest. Under Prime 95 I am in the mid to high 60s for my CPU cores. Interburntest is low to high 80s on the cores.

[CryptiK]

Not sure what you mean here by drop. NB/SB are quite cool in the 40s under prime95 and intelburtest. Under Prime 95 I am in the mid to high 60s for my CPU cores. Interburntest is low to high 80s on the cores.

I meant lower the max temperature warning to 70*C from the default of 90*C. If mine hit 70*C, I'd want it to shut down, I think 90*C max temp warning level is unsafely high.

[Rocks]

Gotcha thanks!

[The Water Dog]

CryptiK: Yeah, im pleased with that:D
Took of a bit, the cpu-hold down was higher then the cpu. The pm you got of me was before i took it of:( and i forgot to tell you.
I have to order some 2000-3000rpm fans and lapp the NB-block some more.
Some pics. are coming soon=)

[Rocks]

Guys, my BIOS is lagging. Inside the BIOS itself I get a 5 second freeze sometimes. It happens randomly and it wont lockup. I have no idea how to fix it though.

Should I remove the battery and clear the CMOS? I have even flashed to a different BIOS but it still happens. Not sure why.

Any help would be appreciated.

--Rocks

[CryptiK]

That's very odd that is happening despite your system being stress test stable. I have only ever experienced that when I was really unstable.

Is it doing it at stock settings too or only when overclocked?

[Rocks]

It does it at stock too. I cleared the CMOS still happenning. I also Booted from the backup BIOS and it is happening on that BIOS too. I took out all sticks of Ram but one...still happening...What is the culprit?

[GeorgeVasil]

That's very odd that is happening despite your system being stress test stable. I have only ever experienced that when I was really unstable.

Is it doing it at stock settings too or only when overclocked?


It does it at stock too. I cleared the CMOS still happenning. I also Booted from the backup BIOS and it is happening on that BIOS too. I took out all sticks of Ram but one...still happening...What is the culprit?

I have experienced that only when my Rams/Chipset were very unstable (eg when mobo posted with my 4GB 600 mhz.

But with a CMOS it all OK.

@Rocks Have u tryied to re-program the BIOS?

-----------------------------
3 things i mention the last 4 days.

-My system Change date and Time Settings to 2099 sometimes...
-When CPU is Loaded,vFSB drops sometimes intanlty (Probe Readings)..
-The CPU & NB Clock Skews Give Stability for higher FSB at the same Voltage.
(I am able to Run Small FTT's at 8.5*533 with the same setings @9*500,and the only change is CPU Clock Scew 400ps (at 300ps prime stops))

Still my NB temps are toooo High.I will Buy some Washers Today i will inform you.

[CryptiK]

It does it at stock too. I cleared the CMOS still happenning. I also Booted from the backup BIOS and it is happening on that BIOS too. I took out all sticks of Ram but one...still happening...What is the culprit?

That's strange. It may even be a graphics card issue.....set the PCI-E frequency to 101, if that doesnt help try 102 & 103 as well.

Do you have another vid card you can test it with?

[Rocks]

Thanks guys...I figured it out. It was a blue tooth USB drive. Asus sometimes has problems with USB devices being plugged in on boot. I used to have a striker II formula and the system post would freeze whenever I had my Ipod plugged in. The M2F will boot fine with it though...knock on wood.

[seban]

New Mobo just arrived - I am surprised that it took only one day :) - I think I might just found my new primary supplier.

Test after work ...

[CryptiK]

SPI32M @ 534 MHz, 640 MHz (DDR2-1280MHz), 2.24v vdimm, 1.50 vNB - Done with M2F :D

Like Shiranui Gen An, I was having issues with my board locking up with my GKX sticks when using more than 2.20v vdimm. I solved this issue by using 150ps delay on the ram channels. After doing this I could run 2.24v without issue, which is all the ram needed for 640 MHz SPI32M stable.

Static Read Control and Dram Read Training were disabled, Ai Clock Twister was set to moderate, and the PL was 8. CPU and NB clock skews were set to Normal, as using 300ps delay on both CPU & NB in conjunction with 150ps delay on the ram channels gave an error in loop 4.

Adding the 2mm washers to the NB mounting screws to increase mounting pressure and lapping the removable NB block was critical in the ability of the board being able to bench with 1.50 vNB, with NB temps being on average 5 - 6*C lower than before this was done.


http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/SPI32M534FSB-640MHz225v15v150psdela.jpg

[JoeBar]

Stability at 9*500 and 4 GB was very easy just a ~ +0.03 at vNB .

Edit:

4h dual Prime with 4GB.

*My NB temps without a big fan and open window are 62+..still haven't put any washers...but i am 100% sure that the washers will improve my temps.

I will try for 8.5*533 now :P

Nice clocks George! :up:

Disable Mem OC charger. It will increase your mem scores.

BTW have u tried increasing your pcie freq when running @ 533mhz fsb? Does your mb boot?

[screwtech02]

Man, the most i can increase my pci-e is to 105-106, it will BSOD anything higher than that... P5E was able to run 115 no issues.....:shakes:

[Grnfinger]

Same here, when I first got the board I set 110 and no boot, best I can do for 471FSB is 105, even 106 results in a post hang
Maximus X38 can do 110-112 up to 505FSB

[JoeBar]

To me that's the most annoying and unacceptable bug of this mb...

I'm used running all my boards @ 110mhz pcie and this really sucks for a board of its class... :down:

[Grnfinger]

I really think that Asus should offer up an a apology to all the MIIF owners, it really says something about a company that slaps a 300 price tag on a 80 dollar board, but hey those red heatsinks make up for it :rofl: and lets not forget the lovely night light included with your motherboard:ROTF:
Half the bios options do not work 100%, the lack of functioning pull-ins is dissapointing, they were a real nice performance boost on the X38 board.
3 bug'd bios release in a row is pathetic at best, DFI and Gigabyte is looking better everyday.
I'm about to drop $400 on a X58 board Rampage II Extreme but I'm really having a hard time supporting Asus atm

[SiGfever]

I really think that Asus should offer up an a apology to all the MIIF owners, it really says something about a company that slaps a 300 price tag on a 80 dollar board, but hey those red heatsinks make up for it :rofl: and lets not forget the lovely night light included with your motherboard:ROTF:
Half the bios options do not work 100%, the lack of functioning pull-ins is dissapointing, they were a real nice performance boost on the X38 board.
3 bug'd bios release in a row is pathetic at best, DFI and Gigabyte is looking better everyday.
I'm about to drop $400 on a X58 board Rampage II Extreme but I'm really having a hard time supporting Asus atm
Agreed, I have been a long time Asus fan but after this MB I am rethinking my next purchase. When a $140.00 MB can outshine this $280-300 board then RoG is more like RoC. :shakes:

[GeorgeVasil]

Nice clocks George! :up:

Disable Mem OC charger. It will increase your mem scores.

BTW have u tried increasing your pcie freq when running @ 533mhz fsb? Does your mb boot?

Thanks Boy..:p:

No,my mobo not boots even at 101 PCIE...at any FSB.


To me that's the most annoying and unacceptable bug of this mb...

I'm used running all my boards @ 110mhz pcie and this really sucks for a board of its class... :down:

The most annoying for me is the VNB-vTT<0.11. I spend 4 days and nights to make my system stable @lower voltages..and every time i PWER on it hungs (CMOS, load profile ..blah blah blah ..)..:mad::mad:

[zlojack]

After struggling with the RE I decided to avoid the RIIE.

Asus won't get the message if you give them more of your money.

[CryptiK]

I'm about to drop $400 on a X58 board Rampage II Extreme but I'm really having a hard time supporting Asus atm

I would not buy one if I were you, it is almost certain that the memory trace design of the P6T is superior to the trace design of the Rampage II Extreme. This is most likely to be the reason for the P6T clocking ram better than the Ramapge II Extreme. Asus are most likely going to revise the trace design of the R2E so be the same as the P6T hopefully correcting the problem. At least wait until this has been done and the revised design boards have been released.

[Nevin]

Hi everyone , I want to set 8x565 for 4,5Ghz , I made some test but always got a blue screen , so I don't have a clue from were to start . Please help.

[CryptiK]

Nevin, fill out the bios settings template showing what settings you tried that didn't work and we can go from there.

[Nevin]

The most stable settings (10 min IBT) are :
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 565
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1130Mhz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : adv 300ps
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : adv 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : normal

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto

Write to PRE Delay : auto
Read to PRE Delay : auto
PRE to PRE Delay : auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Enabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level 10

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.4
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6
FSBT : 1.4
DRAM Voltage : 2.18
North Bridge Voltage :1.55
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 1 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 2 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 3 : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

CPU Configuration
Advanced CPU settings

CIE support - Disabled
Max CPUID - Disabled
Intel Virtualization tech - Disabled
CPU TM Function - Enabled
Execute Disable bit - Enabled

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[CryptiK]

That looks like it should be ok, except for the fact you are using the wrong type of memory for high FSB. A few people find that your ram cannot overclock past DDR2-1110 to DDR2-1120 with 100% stability (bench yes, stable no), so you may be at the limit of your ram. You have more than enough vNB and vcore etc for 565 FSB, the weakest link and most likely cause is your ram.

Do you have any other ram that you know does more than DDR2-1130 stable you can try?

EDIT - also try and play with the ram skews & NB GTL Ref, also perhaps try 'delay 300ps' on both the CPU & NB see if that helps at all.

I have no issues with PCI-E at 101 regardless of FSB but as George said give 100 a go.

[GeorgeVasil]

@Nevin

Set PCIE to 100 mate..:D

[Nevin]

No but I was able to set 8x600 with Vddr=2,35v and even pass 1M superP (9,28), that's why I think 4,5ghz is attainable. But I can try 8,5x533 to be sure if it's the RAM.

[CryptiK]

Yes use a lower FSB and a divider to push the ram up to where you want to be at 1:1 and stress test it - it may be bench stable at 560 - 600 (i have seen Dinos22 do this with your kit) but it was not properly stable.

[andressergio]

Well guys seems that the MF2 asked me for all lower values than my P5K deluxe...It would be nice that someone post it settings for a Q9650 B batch vid 1,25 as mine so i can see the differences

I started to prime to check stability, all tests are on 26,2C room temp with mems 1:1

4005 (445x9) idle 1,288 load 1,304
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7704/4005445x9vcore13sfftloagh5.jpg

4050 (450x9) idle 1,2962 load 1,312
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3995/4050450x9vcore13125sffthd2.jpg

Cheers Sergio

[Grnfinger]

I would not buy one if I were you, it is almost certain that the memory trace design of the P6T is superior to the trace design of the Rampage II Extreme. This is most likely to be the reason for the P6T clocking ram better than the Ramapge II Extreme. Asus are most likely going to revise the trace design of the R2E so be the same as the P6T hopefully correcting the problem. At least wait until this has been done and the revised design boards have been released.

Thats good to know, thanks for the info:up:

[Nevin]

Can someone give me some tips for GTLs please.

CPU GTL Reference 0 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 1 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 2 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 3 : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

[Grnfinger]

Can someone give me some tips for GTLs please.

CPU GTL Reference 0 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 1 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 2 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 3 : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Cryptik has taken the time to make a thread dedicated to GTL's perhaps you should take the time to read through it.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showthread.php?t=202292

[meangreenxp]

Greetings,

Recently I replaced a dead P5W DH deluxe with the M2F. With the P5W I was able to overclock my Q6600 G0 to 3.4GHZ with 24/7 stability for over a year before my motherboard died. The M2F has a great deal of BIOS settings for the overclocker, however the manual doesn't give a detailed explanation of each setting. I have searched the this awesome forum as well as other to get my OC to 3.6Ghz, however it is not 100% stable. I am able to run Prime, Orthos, Everest successfully without any errors, but at times I get the BSOD with trying to put my virtual machine in suspend mode, or attaching certain USB hard drives with a NTFS.SYS error. I would like to get some opinions / suggestions on :


voltage settings
DRAM Skew settings
Mem OC charger / Twister / Booster
PCIE fREQ
CPU and Mem GTL References
various CPU settings


Here is my current BIOS settings:


Asus Maximus Formula II Bios 1307
Crucial Ballistix DDR2PC6400 (4X1GB)
Corsair TX750W PSU
Cpu Q6600 G0

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 400
CPU Clock Skew: auto
NB Clock Skew: auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Freq: DDR2-801Mhz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information: 5-5-5-15-3-52-6-3
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto
2nd Information : 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
Read to Write Delay (S/D) :auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
3rd Information : 14-5-1-6-6
Write to PRE Delay : auto
Read to PRE Delay : auto
PRE to PRE Delay : auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disable
Dram Read Training : Disable
MEM OC Charger : auto
Ai Clock Twister : light
Transaction Booster : auto
PCIE Freq: 100

CPU volt:1.45625
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50000
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.23250
DRAM Voltage: 2.19750
North Bridge Voltage: 1.23250
SB 1.5 Voltage: 1.51325
SB 1.1 Voltage: 1.12650

CPU GTL Reference 0 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO


Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled


Thank you for your input it will be helpful for myself and others I am sure.

[Grnfinger]

Greetings,

Recently I replaced a dead P5W DH deluxe with the M2F. With the P5W I was able to overclock my Q6600 G0 to 3.4GHZ with 24/7 stability for over a year before my motherboard died. The M2F has a great deal of BIOS settings for the overclocker, however the manual doesn't give a detailed explanation of each setting. I have searched the this awesome forum as well as other to get my OC to 3.6Ghz, however it is not 100% stable. I am able to run Prime, Orthos, Everest successfully without any errors, but at times I get the BSOD with trying to put my virtual machine in suspend mode, or attaching certain USB hard drives with a NTFS.SYS error. I would like to get some opinions / suggestions on :


voltage settings
DRAM Skew settings
Mem OC charger / Twister / Booster
PCIE fREQ
CPU and Mem GTL References
various CPU settings


Here is my current BIOS settings:



Thank you for your input it will be helpful for myself and others I am sure.

4x1GBs will be hard on the NB, I would lean towards upping the NB volts
FSBT is kinda low as well for a 65nm quad

[Eeky NoX]

There is my first shot :

http://pix.nofrag.com/a/a/0/9dd9a154b004b2a703b9db89d0773tt.jpg (http://pix.nofrag.com/a/a/0/9dd9a154b004b2a703b9db89d0773.html)

So tell me where I am :mad: ...diggin' this night with yours tips ;)

[CryptiK]

Yes I agree, as Grnfinger suggested, raise FSBT & VNB, I'd suggest putting 1.30v for both of them to begin with.


Greetings,

Recently I replaced a dead P5W DH deluxe with the M2F. With the P5W I was able to overclock my Q6600 G0 to 3.4GHZ with 24/7 stability for over a year before my motherboard died. The M2F has a great deal of BIOS settings for the overclocker, however the manual doesn't give a detailed explanation of each setting. I have searched the this awesome forum as well as other to get my OC to 3.6Ghz, however it is not 100% stable. I am able to run Prime, Orthos, Everest successfully without any errors, but at times I get the BSOD with trying to put my virtual machine in suspend mode, or attaching certain USB hard drives with a NTFS.SYS error. I would like to get some opinions / suggestions on :


voltage settings
DRAM Skew settings
Mem OC charger / Twister / Booster
PCIE fREQ
CPU and Mem GTL References
various CPU settings


Here is my current BIOS settings:


Asus Maximus Formula II Bios 1307
Crucial Ballistix DDR2PC6400 (4X1GB)
Corsair TX750W PSU
Cpu Q6600 G0

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 400
CPU Clock Skew: auto
NB Clock Skew: auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Freq: DDR2-801Mhz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information: 5-5-5-15-3-52-6-3
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto
2nd Information : 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
Read to Write Delay (S/D) :auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
3rd Information : 14-5-1-6-6
Write to PRE Delay : auto
Read to PRE Delay : auto
PRE to PRE Delay : auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disable
Dram Read Training : Disable
MEM OC Charger : auto
Ai Clock Twister : light
Transaction Booster : auto
PCIE Freq: 100

CPU volt:1.45625
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50000
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.23250
DRAM Voltage: 2.19750
North Bridge Voltage: 1.23250
SB 1.5 Voltage: 1.51325
SB 1.1 Voltage: 1.12650

CPU GTL Reference 0 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO


Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled


Thank you for your input it will be helpful for myself and others I am sure.

[JoeBar]

The most annoying for me is the VNB-vTT<0.11. I spend 4 days and nights to make my system stable @lower voltages..and every time i PWER on it hungs (CMOS, load profile ..blah blah blah ..)..:mad::mad:
Of course this is the most annoying bug... :mad:

My board is capable of doing up to 0.15 VNB-VTT. Should i consider myself lucky...? :p:


I have no issues with PCI-E at 101 regardless of FSB but as George said give 100 a go.

Have u tried higher than 101mhz?

[screwtech02]

New personal best O3 run, after tweeking cpu/nb GTL's.....



http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=6002321



:cool:

[CryptiK]

Of course this is the most annoying bug... :mad:

My board is capable of doing up to 0.15 VNB-VTT. Should i consider myself lucky...? :p:
Have u tried higher than 101mhz?

Yes I hate this problem, when I need higher vNB to bench SPI32M, it always locks on reboot, then turns itself of, and reboots and hangs. After a power off reset, BIOS has been cleared. If I set 1.25 Vtt I can use up to 1.40 vNB, but my cpu does not like high Vtt, and makes it unstable needing more vcore and GTL tweaking to be stable, I can run 4GHz stable on 1.10 Vtt. I needed more vNB to be stable, but to raise vNB I had to raise Vtt, which made the CPU unstable. This problem almost ruins the board. and seems to be restricted to the M2F, boards from Gigabyte, DFI etc don't do this. Only Quad users seem unaffected as they run around 1.25 - 1.4 Vtt anyway.

I did once try higher, I can't remember what it was, I think it was 103, and it refused to POST.


New personal best O3 run, after tweeking cpu/nb GTL's.....



http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=6002321



:cool:

Nice score, those cards pack a punch when run in crossfire.

[Rocks]

My latest results. The temps you see to the far right for Everest Ultimate are under full load of Prime95. The screen shot was taken under full load so the appropriate voltages, speeds and temps would be shown since I have speed step and enchanced C1 enabled.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6827/24554592cu0.jpg

[andressergio]

My latest results. The temps you see to the far right for Everest Ultimate are under full load of Prime95. The screen shot was taken under full load so the appropriate voltages, speeds and temps would be shown since I have speed step and enchanced C1 enabled.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6827/24554592cu0.jpg

Hey mate can you try to lower those VTT and PLL are way too high for an E0...I think your chip can do it with less

Just a though

Cheers Sergio :up:

[The Water Dog]

Finaly, i got 1200=)
But i had to choose 1200 from the list, only thing i did and turned up the memvolt.
But one thing i saw, that was bios did sett up the vcore. The only thing i did was to set 1200 and more memvolt.
Have to find out what the mobo like and dont like.

[radaja]

heres another area where the maxII is falling behind the newer p45 boards. when i got my UD3P i was shocked to find out that at 500fsb 1/1divider it was able to use pl9. now i just saw pangingIII is able to run pl8 1/1 all the way up to 519fsb

[fido_dido]

Hi everyone,
I replaced mobo P5K-Premium with Maximus II Formula last week and met a weird issue on OC with bios1702&1602. I could set my Q6600 to 400*8 by 0901bios and the system is quite stable. In POST, it shows Q6600@3.2G. Under 1702or1602bios, I use same setting as 0901. But in POST it shows Q6600@3.6G, CPUZ shows 400*9 as well. Maybe this make the system unstable. It could be blue screen, or hang at DET DRAM after reboot. It shows overclock fail after I shut down the power and reboot again.
Is this a bug for new bios or the mobo defected?

[The Water Dog]

you get only multi.9 with bios 1702 and 1602:(
A big ugly bug.

[radaja]

oh i thought on the maxII we could only go as low as pl10 at 500fsb 1/1. waterdog could you direct me to a post where someone was able to run pl9 at 500fsb 1/1 divider on the MAXII? cause ive searched and cant find it.

[seban]

Helloo,

Finally weekend ;).

Can you guys report what kind of temps are you gettin on Power (load)?

In p95 in stress I am hitting 49 on 4ghz with no case :D so probably around 52 - 55 in closed case.

After 4 reseating of Cooling on mobo I got finally nice NB and SB temps (SB 38C 1.01v and NB 45C 1.31v - no case but also one fan only on CPU).

I tried 2 different types of washers and mixture of them.

Best results I got with same washers for all screws in my case 2mm silicon are doing much better job then 1mm steel.

Putting washers only for NB is not a good idea from my observations and worth mentioning my new MF2 had overheating issue on idle on both MB and SB - they were hitting 54 after few minutes in BIOS.

[JoeBar]

Yes I hate this problem, when I need higher vNB to bench SPI32M, it always locks on reboot, then turns itself of, and reboots and hangs. After a power off reset, BIOS has been cleared. If I set 1.25 Vtt I can use up to 1.40 vNB, but my cpu does not like high Vtt, and makes it unstable needing more vcore and GTL tweaking to be stable, I can run 4GHz stable on 1.10 Vtt. I needed more vNB to be stable, but to raise vNB I had to raise Vtt, which made the CPU unstable. This problem almost ruins the board. and seems to be restricted to the M2F, boards from Gigabyte, DFI etc don't do this. Only Quad users seem unaffected as they run around 1.25 - 1.4 Vtt anyway.

I did once try higher, I can't remember what it was, I think it was 103, and it refused to POST.
At least my cpu needs 1.25v Vtt and doesn't looses stability up to 1.41v so i have a wider selection of vNB. Still this bug is unacceptable and ruins the whole picture... :down:

As for the pcie bug, do u know if P5Q Del is affected also?


heres another area where the maxII is falling behind the newer p45 boards. when i got my UD3P i was shocked to find out that at 500fsb 1/1divider it was able to use pl9. now i just saw pangingIII is able to run pl8 1/1 all the way up to 519fsb
Hmmm, interesting. Have u run any comparing benchs?

[Grnfinger]

oh i thought on the maxII we could only go as low as pl10 at 500fsb 1/1. waterdog could you direct me to a post where someone was able to run pl9 at 500fsb 1/1 divider on the MAXII? cause ive searched and cant find it.

He was refering to the multi not PL level....

Anyway I'm about to sell all of my Asus hardware if they dont smarten up with RMA.

How do you like the Giga board?
can you be so kind as to post a few benches here, if I get piss'd at Asus tonight I'm selling everything and buying new from another manufacturer in the morning.
I was very interested in the UD3P but didnt bother cause of i7

[bito]

seban

My power is showing at 45c in Probe software.....overclock as below:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/v5-aps/Q965040Ghz.jpg

[seban]

Thx Bito.

Nice CPU you got there BTW. Really nice vcore.

Those temp are in case? Is it WC setup? If not which cooler do you use?

[radaja]

grnfinger your right.two diferent pages.i love this board,bieng new to overclocking,i dont have much to base it on.ive only owned three motherboards.my first for about two weeks(p5q-d)liked it,but wanted more.second( maxII havent had a good one)hopefully that will change when i get my replacement.third one(UD3P)and maybe i got a good one but everyday my results get better.which makes it real fun. but anyway here are some test.@joebar i couldnt cause my maxII wouldnt allow me to go above 495fsb.http://i34.tinypic.com/24wagwh.jpghttp://i34.tinypic.com/zwz6s4.jpghttp://i35.tinypic.com/qq39rd.jpg

[Grnfinger]

jeebus that looks impressive.

Thanks for the screenies

[JoeBar]

Thanks for the benchs radaja. Nice scores! :)


Could u pls run a 1:1 bench?

[radaja]

grnfingerand joebar thanks. heres a 1:1 bench.http://i36.tinypic.com/20ze595.jpg

[JoeBar]

Thanks for the bench m8! :)

Very nice scores! What pl do u have?

[radaja]

here you gohttp://i37.tinypic.com/i2k6q8.jpg

[GeorgeVasil]

As for the pcie bug, do u know if P5Q Del is affected also?


2 P5Q-Deluxe i tryied had the same problem.

[CryptiK]

Yes same here, my P5Q-Deluxe also had that that issue. The P5Q series exhibits very strange unpredictable behaviour when pushed, I think they are a workstation board at best, you can't really do anything with them. The best P45 from Asus is this M2F, however the bios features and their bios coding for it leaves a lot to be desired, the DFI and Gigabyte P45 boards are way better for Duals, and the UD3P and EP45-Extreme also handle quads very well, and companies other than Asus really seem to be putting a lot of effort into their bioses providing way more options & tweaks, and they all work as they should. I'd like to see Asus lift their game in regard to BIOSes.

I think I will be selling my board and getting either a UD3P, or a DFI X48 board.

[Rocks]

What would you guys say are the safest highest voltages for a 4 ghz OC on the Q9550 for this board.

Max CPU v =?
MaxCPU VTT =?
Max CPU PLL v =?
Max NB v= ?

Thanks

[CryptiK]

Max CPU v = ~1.40v
MaxCPU VTT = ~1.30v
Max CPU PLL v = ~1.57v
Max NB v= 1.4 - 1.5v depending on load temps

**********************************

I have been trying to get this board to do 541 FSB / 650 MHz and it does not want to do it. I think I'd have to use around 1.60 vNB on PL10 and I doubt the cooling could handle it.

[Rocks]

Thanks man, now listen to this. I was using the KET 1307 when you were helping me tweak my :banana::banana::banana::banana:. Got everything stable and said well lets see what 1702 is like...big mistake. Couldnt even come close to stability. I also went back to the regular 1307. Prime 95 would error out with 10 seconds everytime. I put the KET 1307 back on and stable again. Go figure man. WTF is going on here?

I can't get 500 FSB to boot into windows for the life of me. I have tried everything. It just won't do it for me.

I think it is impossible for me to get 4ghz stable with such a low CPU VTT. Ill give it a shot a let you know the results...

--Rocks

[The Water Dog]

So KET 1307 is the best bios to oc?
Maybe i should try that one:D

[CryptiK]

If I had to say why that is, I'd say it is due to the fact you are using Patriot Viper's. Memory incompatibility manifests itself in many different ways, and it is probably your issue. Ket simply replaced the M2F memory table with the P5Q-Premium memory table, so I'd say that's what it is.

500 FSB for a 9550 is going to be a real challenge, if it's not an E0 stepping I'd say it's not going to get there.

Some people run up to 1.4 Vtt, but personally I think that's a bit high for 24/7 use.

[bito]

Thx Bito.

Nice CPU you got there BTW. Really nice vcore.

Those temp are in case? Is it WC setup? If not which cooler do you use?

Yep .... in case. Side door open.
I am using watercooling for the cpu and GTX280 in same loop :)

[Rocks]

I really don't understand why the flagship board of the P45 series from Asus would have a worse Memory table...What is Asus doing man? That is kind of upsetting. To be honest though I have been through countless gigabyte boards and find Asus to be better.

How do XFX boards hold up? They are pretty much Nvidia right? I don't want to do Nvidia again. IMO SLI is a joke when it comes to stablility; a single card suits me best.

[CryptiK]

Not sure mate, I've never owned an XFX board. The last Nvidia chipset I used was back in 2003 on my AMD system.

Price wise, the P5Q-premium is the flagship P45 board, but it would be nice to see Asus do a better job of their BIOSes.

Gigabytes current boards (EP45-Extreme & UD3P) have great BIOS & a full suite of relevant BIOS options designed for the overclocker, and are undergoing constant development. DFI is also doing a very good job of this, and the sheer number of their BIOS options are second to none.

[fido_dido]

you get only multi.9 with bios 1702 and 1602:(
A big ugly bug.
Correct. I can only get multiplier 9 whatever I set 6-8 multiplier in bios.
:mad::mad::mad:

[Grnfinger]

And this is why I still feel the Rampage is a superior board compared to the Maximus II

Quad 9550 506FSB!!!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showpost.php?p=3478579&postcount=7473

[CryptiK]

In terms of max screen that's good, but not overly impressive. UD3P does 540 FSB+ with quads. It's a powerful little board.

[Grnfinger]

oh agreed the UD3P is a definately a solid board, but comparing the rampage to max II the rampage ( which is what I was doing ) is far superior in every aspect.
Alot of ppl are hitting 500FSB for quads on other boards, I just dont see many high fsb quads on this board.
I'm still holding out for a bios that corrects all the issues with the MIIF, but I see no light at the end of the tunnel.

[CryptiK]

From what I can see there are more people with good quads capable of 500 FSB with the rampage formula, most people with the MIIF have duals, or C0/C1 quads that dont clock. If we had more guys with 9650's and E0 9550's I think we'd be seeing a lot more people doing 480 FSB+.

The RF is a decent X48 board, but it wouldn't be my choice if I had to pick an X48 (which I'm considering doing). The average max FSB for it is 495, over which few get any stability at all. 470 - 475 appears to be its max stable FSB on average.

[SkOrPn]

@ Cryptik,

got a question for you. I am "thinking" of getting myself another 4gb kit of G.Skill F2-8800CLD5-4GBPI for a total of 8gb. I currently have the E8600 E0 and would like to run a modest 4ghz @ 500 FSB. I already know this combination does it easily since I was there for several weeks without a hiccup but I am wondering about longevity. Is it safe 24/7 to run 500 FSB on this board, or should I sacrifice some fsb and up my multi? I plan to stick with this system as my main rig for at least a year, so I really don't want to damage anything if it can be avoided. The CPU is watercooled but the chipset is not.

Also, I plan on using a Adaptec 5405 and 4 SSD drives here soon and wondering if the overclock will negatively effect my storage raid system.

Also, what is the best bios for the Dual E0's?

Thank you
SkOrPn

[SiGfever]

From what I can see there are more people with good quads capable of 500 FSB with the rampage formula, most people with the MIIF have duals, or C0/C1 quads that dont clock. If we had more guys with 9650's and E0 9550's I think we'd be seeing a lot more people doing 480 FSB+.

The RF is a decent X48 board, but it wouldn't be my choice if I had to pick an X48 (which I'm considering doing). The average max FSB for it is 495, over which few get any stability at all. 470 - 475 appears to be its max stable FSB on average.
Which one would you choose? I am tempted to get a UD3P for an interim board until i7 comes down in price and the boards have a chance to mature. I am not very impressed with this MFII, I almost chose the RF and wished I had of.

[The Water Dog]

My max-stable fsb is 486 with Q6600, no big tweakings, just vcore and nb...i hope i get some more, but 489 on this board is not bad=)
I hope my Blackops is better on fsb;)

[Grnfinger]

Which one would you choose? I am tempted to get a UD3P for an interim board until i7 comes down in price and the boards have a chance to mature. I am not very impressed with this MFII, I almost chose the RF and wished I had of.

I'm in the same boat, I was going to get a Rampage but then went MIIF and wish I had not.

I would disagree with Cryptik's last statement regarding max FSB for Rampage.
There are much higher clocks than 475 on average, and stability is not an issue its new users who are experiencing problems with stability. My only hesitation for the UD3P is the sudden death of the board and taking some chips / ram with it...DFI looks interesting as I have never had one b4 but alot of ppl jump'd ship with the LP UT X48-T2R claiming bios options were to complicated iirc

[xoldboyx]

can please post a 500FSB for Q9550 cpu?
I want 4ghz with 8x multi for 24/7.

[JoeBar]

Which one would you choose? I am tempted to get a UD3P for an interim board until i7 comes down in price and the boards have a chance to mature. I am not very impressed with this MFII, I almost chose the RF and wished I had of.


I'm in the same boat, I was going to get a Rampage but then went MIIF and wish I had not.

I would disagree with Cryptik's last statement regarding max FSB for Rampage.
There are much higher clocks than 475 on average, and stability is not an issue its new users who are experiencing problems with stability. My only hesitation for the UD3P is the sudden death of the board and taking some chips / ram with it...DFI looks interesting as I have never had one b4 but alot of ppl jump'd ship with the LP UT X48-T2R claiming bios options were to complicated iirc

My opinion on this is "sit back and relax". i7 is the future which everyone of us will follow. We're talking about ppl who had enough of 775 boards so, if u ask me, i would say enjoy your Maximus II (with it's quirks) and wait for the next REAL step.

As for other 775 boards i don't think that there's a so much better solution out there. Don't tell me about Gigabyte boards, i've had enough of them. My last was a P35-DS4, glad that i got rid of it...
They still can't convince me as oc'ers boards. They've come a long way but still i don't like them. Not to mention the colors :sick:

[SiGfever]

I'm in the same boat, I was going to get a Rampage but then went MIIF and wish I had not.

I would disagree with Cryptik's last statement regarding max FSB for Rampage.
There are much higher clocks than 475 on average, and stability is not an issue its new users who are experiencing problems with stability. My only hesitation for the UD3P is the sudden death of the board and taking some chips / ram with it...DFI looks interesting as I have never had one b4 but alot of ppl jump'd ship with the LP UT X48-T2R claiming bios options were to complicated iirc

I too have never owned a DFI product and the Gigabyte P35-DS3R that I have for one of my Crunchers is a solid worker but a favorite, no. I have been also tempted to try the DFI and was warned, "they have way to many things to adjust". The MFII has quite a few options and if the DFI has a lot more? :shrug:

[JoeBar]

I too have never owned a DFI product and the Gigabyte P35-DS3R that I have for one of my Crunchers is a solid worker but a favorite, no. I have been also tempted to try the DFI and was warned, "they have way to many things to adjust". The MFII has quite a few options and if the DFI has a lot more? :shrug:
DFI is for ppl with a lot of free time... :D

Back in the days of VIA KT133A it was interesting but now I'm too old for this.... :lol2:

[Grnfinger]

My opinion on this is "sit back and relax". i7 is the future which everyone of us will follow. We're talking about ppl who had enough of 775 boards so, if u ask me, i would say enjoy your Maximus II (with it's quirks) and wait for the next REAL step.

As for other 775 boards i don't think that there's a so much better solution out there. Don't tell me about Gigabyte boards, i've had enough of them. My last was a P35-DS4, glad that i got rid of it...
They still can't convince me as oc'ers boards. They've come a long way but still i don't like them. Not to mention the colors :sick:

perhaps you are right, I already have my i7 920 cpu & waterblock, just waiting for my ram. Mobo is undecided and I'll need a PSU and case.

I guess I'm just dissapointed with the MIIF in general, maybe I expect to much once I make the jump to i7 any issues with the maximus will be an afterthought.
I have a Gigabyte P35 DS3L for my son's rig, it overclocks ok, got the 8400 to 4.0GHz with little effort. My only gripe with the board is its very particular with ram..

[JoeBar]

perhaps you are right, I already have my i7 920 cpu & waterblock, just waiting for my ram. Mobo is undecided and I'll need a PSU and case.

I guess I'm just dissapointed with the MIIF in general, maybe I expect to much once I make the jump to i7 any issues with the maximus will be an afterthought.
I have a Gigabyte P35 DS3L for my son's rig, it overclocks ok, got the 8400 to 4.0GHz with little effort. My only gripe with the board is its very particular with ram..
I totally understand your point. I too had high hopes for Maximus II but still it needs bios work and with asus history, i don't think that there would be a bugfree bios.

However it's still a good oc'ing board. I have mine @ 530mhz fsb 24/7 and it's totally stable and problem free. I don't think that there's another 775 board that will give us something significantly better.


BTW when are u planning on setting up your i7 rig? If it will be in more than a month i would advise u to return/sell your 920. In my opinion the 940 is the bottom choice with 965 the preferable. But prices will come down... ;)

[Grnfinger]

I totally understand your point. I too had high hopes for Maximus II but still it needs bios work and with asus history, i don't think that there would be a bugfree bios.

However it's still a good oc'ing board. I have mine @ 530mhz fsb 24/7 and it's totally stable and problem free. I don't think that there's another 775 board that will give us something significantly better.


BTW when are u planning on setting up your i7 rig? If it will be in more than a month i would advise u to return/sell your 920. In my opinion the 940 is the bottom choice with 965 the preferable. But prices will come down... ;)

I was going to toss my 8400 in the MIIF with my Dominators tomorrow and see what I can do. You are right in terms of stability its a solid board that only requires a solid bios to mate with. Maybe my rma experience with Asus has tainted my opinion on this board.

I got the 920 for a really good price, no where near the 400 bucks canadian there asking for them here. I am shooting for a 4.2GHz + 24/7 setup
I'm going to build the rig shortly just dont want to make a hastey mobo purchase I wll regret and Cryptik just saved me from one the other night

I was looking at maybe selling the 920 on ebay and grabbing a 965 once my xmas bonus arrives, 4.2GHz+ would be very nice

[JoeBar]

I was going to toss my 8400 in the MIIF with my Dominators tomorrow and see what I can do. You are right in terms of stability its a solid board that only requires a solid bios to mate with. Maybe my rma experience with Asus has tainted my opinion on this board.

I got the 920 for a really good price, no where near the 400 bucks canadian there asking for them here. I am shooting for a 4.2GHz + 24/7 setup
I'm going to build the rig shortly just dont want to make a hastey mobo purchase I wll regret and Cryptik just saved me from one the other night

I was looking at maybe selling the 920 on ebay and grabbing a 965 once my xmas bonus arrives, 4.2GHz+ would be very nice
Hmm the "maybe selling the 920 on ebay and grabbing a 965 once my xmas bonus arrives, 4.2GHz+ would be very nice" point is really interesting... :2cents:

Personally, i'm thinking of jumping to the i7 train after xmas, or when they'll fix the Rampage II Extreme... :)

[seban]

I'm in the same boat, I was going to get a Rampage but then went MIIF and wish I had not.

I would disagree with Cryptik's last statement regarding max FSB for Rampage.
There are much higher clocks than 475 on average, and stability is not an issue its new users who are experiencing problems with stability. My only hesitation for the UD3P is the sudden death of the board and taking some chips / ram with it...DFI looks interesting as I have never had one b4 but alot of ppl jump'd ship with the LP UT X48-T2R claiming bios options were to complicated iirc

DFI is always the same - beta product for whole life cycle. PPL here complain about this or that in ASUS bios but if you will go DFI route you will have real reasons to complain.

Unless you want to bench only than probably you will not care and you will be fine with DFI.

I was also choosing between UD3P Rampage DDr2 and MF2. So far I do not know if I like MF2 as I was fighting with hardware side of it - no real clocking yet done.

I am tired but happy after endless reseating / lapping I managed to lower CPU NB and SB temps... all this effort because it will be my new 24h/7d rig for next - until it will die / or / and CPU will be not enough for gaming (vid card will be changed regularly ofc).

Anyway my current MF2 is made from two I have currently in house :D. Cooling from old MF2 in new one.
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BTW guys you realize that current steping of I7 has some major i think cash bug... which if solved same way as for opterons can cost those CPU 20% performance hit in some cases...

PS. hyhy I do not know why I am doing all of this as I do not have too much time to play games any more :D - well I guess when I will have time I want to be ready :D . Old habits

[Zucker2k]

EDIT: BTW guys you realize that current steping of I7 has some major i think cash bug... which if solved same way as for opterons can cost those CPU 20% performance hit in some cases...Dude, that is not true. That FUD news was squashed by INTEL before it even became news; FUD apparently mistook Core 2 erratas for Nehalem erratas; erratas that Nehalem had, had been fixed prior to launch.

Here's my take on the x48 debate; as a proud owner of a Rampage Formula, and one who has worked with two other rampage formulas with the same results, the RF is a stellar board. It is fast, tweakable and stable. Yes, the dfi x48 has more tweaks, but they don't translate into higher overclocks; in fact, the dfi x48 is actually an average quadcore clocker. At least the results that I've seen on this forum are many and they all point to limitations in quadcore clocking. Before I upgraded to a Q9550, my stable 24/7 clocks with my E8600 was 7.5 x 560 FSB. Before that, it was my E8400 at 8 x 533 and 8GB G.Skills running at DDR2 1066 for 24/7. The RF is very stable, and it is second to none on the 775/DDR2 platform imo.

I'm also interested in seeing what Cryptic's choice of a better DDR2 x48 board would be because imo there's none. :)

[radaja]

grnfinger,joebar,or cryptik.could you please post an everest cachemem bench running 8x500fsb or better yet 8.5x500fsb with mem running 4-4-4-10 3-3-6-30-3 w/ 1:1divider pl10. i want to compare it to this UD3P at pl8,cause im wondering whether gigabyte got this right or did they just switch pl10 with pl8.or somrthing like that.i dont have my board right now and dont have any maxII benches saved.THANK YOU.

[Rocks]

Max CPU v = ~1.40v
MaxCPU VTT = ~1.30v
Max CPU PLL v = ~1.57v
Max NB v= 1.4 - 1.5v depending on load temps

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I have been trying to get this board to do 541 FSB / 650 MHz and it does not want to do it. I think I'd have to use around 1.60 vNB on PL10 and I doubt the cooling could handle it.

Prime 95 core1 failed after 6 hours. I am at the max voltage for all you mentioned.

I guess I need to do something with my mem.

[cstkl1]

Dude, that is not true. That FUD news was squashed by INTEL before it even became news; FUD apparently mistook Core 2 erratas for Nehalem erratas; erratas that Nehalem had, had been fixed prior to launch.

Here's my take on the x48 debate; as a proud owner of a Rampage Formula, and one who has worked with two other rampage formulas with the same results, the RF is a stellar board. It is fast, tweakable and stable. Yes, the dfi x48 has more tweaks, but they don't translate into higher overclocks; in fact, the dfi x48 is actually an average quadcore clocker. At least the results that I've seen on this forum are many and they all point to limitations in quadcore clocking. Before I upgraded to a Q9550, my stable 24/7 clocks with my E8600 was 7.5 x 560 FSB. Before that, it was my E8400 at 8 x 533 and 8GB G.Skills running at DDR2 1066 for 24/7. The RF is very stable, and it is second to none on the 775/DDR2 platform imo.

I'm also interested in seeing what Cryptic's choice of a better DDR2 x48 board would be because imo there's none. :)

well i have tried
the dfi x48 LT, rampage formula, ramapage extreme, maximus formula se,

in terms of bandwidth clocking of the rams the dfi x48 is much better.
what pissed me off with the dfi was their pcie compatibility with certain asus gc's and a few 3870x2/4870x2's... the asus 3870x2 rog doesnt even boot on that mobo. same goes for the foxconn p35 mars.

now for ddr2 rampage formula...
if u have tried the maximus 2 formula
and then move on to rampage extreme
u will find the rampage extreme is what the rampage formula should have been.
the exact nature of the bios clocking of the rampage extreme and maximus 2 formula is almost the same.
whats my beef...
rampage formula gtl controls are just not good enough.
hence the high vnb voltages it needs.

but i do agree on the stability of the RF board is much better than dfi x48 LT/UT and needs less work to to do so.
u will spend a lot of time on the dfi x48 lt to get the ram stable rather than finding higher clocks

and my arguement with those that claims the RF clocks better than the m2f..
its because their gtl settings are all wrong for m2f.
the RF u dont really need to worry about the gtl's as much as m2f.

for e8600 on m2f and RE
i can confirm with u many of times .. using the two test to show gtl stability
running IBT for 50 runs and also running orthos ( blend then custom then choose each run 1 min) priority 10.
core 0 +40 the rest auto. tested right up to 563fsb for both boards super stable at 4.5ghz.

[cstkl1]

Which one would you choose? I am tempted to get a UD3P for an interim board until i7 comes down in price and the boards have a chance to mature. I am not very impressed with this MFII, I almost chose the RF and wished I had of.

well my issue with gaygay has always been when it comes to clocking 4 dimms..
this is what happened

gaygay n680dq6
one dimm burned at 2.3v and hence one ram contact point was burned..
samething happened to p35dq6
and another forummer with a p45dq6.
response from fae for the first two motherboards for rma..
in short.. "we dont support clocking of 4dimms above 2.0v "

so far only motherboard i have that has no issue with p45/ddr2 on clocking with 4 dimms is the m2f/biostar t-power i45/dfi DKp45.

in the past no dfi/asus mobo has ever actually burned the contact points of the ram.. aka if that happens u have to pay for the repair cost for the rams...
+ shipping charges and with current prices of rams. i can buy a another new kit for that

all tested with 4x1gb team xtreem pc2-6400 c3s

[CryptiK]

I guess I should have been more clear when I was speaking about the Rampage Formula. I meant the average FSB for quads is around 475, and it appears very difficult to stabilize quads over that, with most topping out around 495 FSB. This may be due to the poor GTL control which I have mentioned before, causing the need for high vNB, and reaching the limit of safe vNB level around the 495 FSB mark. At high FSB speeds they just seem to struggle with quads from what I have seen, even if you thrash the board in an attempt to keep up. Their BIOS is too sparse, and lacks the functionality it should have and needs. I'm not saying the board is no good at all, it's just not my cup of tea.

I would not purchase a UT or LT DFI, they are not mature enough hardware wise, and their clockgen limits their overclocking ability of both duals and quads. I don't feel DFI has too many options, if you know what you are doing with them, setting them up can be done rather quickly. I don't like the fact they have compatibility issues with a few graphics cards, that complicates things.

I still am very wary of Gigabyte, and although the UD3P/R and EP45-Extreme are doing well, I don't think I could put my gear onto them, I'd be too concerned the boards would flake out taking my gear with them.

The Rampage Extreme is probably the best X48 board available, massive FSB and ram clocks (DDR3 of course) and low tRD are par for the course. Whether or not they have used high binned X48 chipsets and clockgens I'm not sure, but they outperform any other X48 available, and their BIOS options are great.

I think the DFI DK-T2RSB Plus is probably the best DDR2 X48 board available now, it clocks both quads and duals better than the UT & LT's as it uses a revised clockgen, the same one used on the Rampage Extreme, and has a solid digital PWM circuit - more than 560 FSB stable has been done. It clocks ram very well, and is highly tweakable. It's also under $300, and even if the RF is slightly better and could be proven to be, there is no way it's $220 better, as it costs around $520 here. For another $100 I could have the Rampage Extreme, which actually is easily $100 better than the RF.

That's just my opinion, the rampage formula will appeal to some, just not me.

[Zucker2k]

well i have tried
the dfi x48 LT, rampage formula, ramapage extreme, maximus formula se,

in terms of bandwidth clocking of the rams the dfi x48 is much better.
I have heard many people say this, but it's not true in my experience.


now for ddr2 rampage formula...
if u have tried the maximus 2 formula
and then move on to rampage extreme
u will find the rampage extreme is what the rampage formula should have been.
the exact nature of the bios clocking of the rampage extreme and maximus 2 formula is almost the same.
whats my beef...
rampage formula gtl controls are just not good enough.
hence the high vnb voltages it needs.What good is gtl control if it doesn't translate into higher fsb overclocks? High VNB? Check out the screenie below.


and my arguement with those that claims the RF clocks better than the m2f..
its because their gtl settings are all wrong for m2f.
the RF u dont really need to worry about the gtl's as much as m2fThat's a good thing in my books.


for e8600 on m2f and RE
i can confirm with u many of times .. using the two test to show gtl stability
running IBT for 50 runs and also running orthos ( blend then custom then choose each run 1 min) priority 10.
core 0 +40 the rest auto. tested right up to 563fsb for both boards super stable at 4.5ghz.I've gotten similar results on rampage formula.


I guess I should have been more clear when I was speaking about the Rampage Formula. I meant the average FSB for quads is around 475, and it appears very difficult to stabilize quads over that, with most topping out around 495 FSB. This may be due to the poor GTL control which I have mentioned before, causing the need for high vNB, and reaching the limit of safe vNB level around the 495 FSB mark. At high FSB speeds they just seem to struggle with quads from what I have seen, even if you thrash the board in an attempt to keep up. Their BIOS is too sparse, and lacks the functionality it should have and needs. I'm not saying the board is no good at all, it's just not my cup of tea.This is still better than the competition, imo.


The Rampage Extreme is probably the best X48 board available, massive FSB and ram clocks (DDR3 of course) and low tRD are par for the course. Whether or not they have used high binned X48 chipsets and clockgens I'm not sure, but they outperform any other X48 available, and their BIOS options are great.Yes, the RE is the best, this debate is about DDR2 though.


I think the DFI DK-T2RSB Plus is probably the best DDR2 X48 board available now, it clocks both quads and duals better than the UT & LT's as it uses a revised clockgen, the same one used on the Rampage Extreme, and has a solid digital PWM circuit - more than 560 FSB stable has been done. It clocks ram very well, and is highly tweakable. It's also under $300, and even if the RF is slightly better and could be proven to be, there is no way it's $220 better, as it costs around $520 here. For another $100 I could have the Rampage Extreme, which actually is easily $100 better than the RF.

That's just my opinion, the rampage formula will appeal to some, just not me.Well, what can I say, if it's not better than the rampage formula then my point is made; I know where that 640 figure comes from, and I haven't seen a single quadcore overclock in that thread, let alone past 500 fsb so again, if it is to be considered a contender, then we must see some justification for that. That 640fsb was is reasonable, but it was done with a x6 multi. I could show you my own screenie of a 7.5 x 600, even went up to 610, on the rampage formula and I wasn't even trying hard, and was limited by ram. Trust me, I've been in some ram bandwidth combat with some dfi nuts, etc. and came out feeling good so I know all about the hype. The RF is a solid overclocker; it may not overclock quads nearly as good as some p45s, but the x48 chipset was designed with other strengths which the RF demonstrates very nicely; eg. high fsbs and tight PLs.

Rampage Formula low volts prime action, everything set to the lowest.

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More of the same...

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G.Skill PC2-8500 2x2GB overclock on Rampage Formula...

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7.5x600 FSB

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my 24/7 with my E8600 before I switched to 9550

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As you can see, I have gotten some pretty good results with rampage formula. :clap:

[CryptiK]

Well, what can I say, if it's not better than the rampage formula then my point is made; I know where that 640 figure comes from, and I haven't seen a single quadcore overclock in that thread, let alone past 500 fsb so again, if it is to be considered a contender, then we must see some justification for that. That 640fsb was is reasonable, but it was done with a x6 multi. I could show you my own screenie of a 7.5 x 600, even went up to 610, on the rampage formula and I wasn't even trying hard, and was limited by ram. Trust me, I've been in some ram bandwidth combat with some dfi nuts, etc. and came out feeling good so I know all about the hype. The RF is a solid overclocker; it may not overclock quads nearly as good as some p45s, but the x48 chipset was designed with other strengths which the RF demonstrates very nicely; eg. high fsbs and tight PLs.


640 FSB is still 640 FSB regardless of multiplier, the CPU limits the CPU speed, if they had used 7x the cpu would have to be good for 4.48GHz. It, and other results as well, are still higher than anything I have seen the RF achieve. I have not seen an RF do 640 FSB, regardless of multi used.

I didn't say the T2RSB Plus was not as good, I'm just not arguing this as vehemently as you are. From what I have seen, I think it's better than the RF, but I really don't mind what other people think is the best DDR2 X48 board, I just do my own thing based on my own opinion.

I said if the RF could be proven to be better FSB wise or quad overclocking wise than the T2RSB Plus, it would have to be proven to be $220 better or I still wouldn't consider buying it. I also said that if I was considering spending $520 on an X48 I consider decent but nothing special, I would pay the extra $100 and get the X48 that is unarguably outstanding (the RE). Essentially, I'm saying I would never buy the RF.

[Zucker2k]

640 FSB is still 640 FSB regardless of multiplier, the CPU limits the CPU speed, if they had used 7x the cpu would have to be good for 4.48GHz. It, and other results as well, are still higher than anything I have seen the RF achieve. I have not seen an RF do 640 FSB, regardless of multi used.

I didn't say the T2RSB Plus was not as good, I'm just not arguing this as vehemently as you are. From what I have seen, I think it's better than the RF, but I really don't mind what other people think is the best DDR2 X48 board, I just do my own thing based on my own opinion.

I said if the RF could be proven to be better FSB wise or quad overclocking wise than the T2RSB Plus, it would have to be proven to be $220 better or I still wouldn't consider buying it. I also said that if I was considering spending $520 on an X48 I consider decent but nothing special, I would pay the extra $100 and get the X48 that is unarguably outstanding (the RE). Essentially, I'm saying I would never buy the RF.I'm not trying to argue with you here; I'm just trying to debate...

The whole point of the debate was that the Rampage Formula overclocks quads better. That 640 fsb is for dualcore, right? So how is that even relevant to the debate? You're backsliding now; don't turn this into a price/performance argument. You said the rampage lacked many features which hampered overclocks; I tried to show certain results which proved that wasn't the case. With the right cpu and memory, I could show you some spectacular results too. Yes, I agree 640 is 640, but it is still 6x640; my 7.5x600 (610) are not unimpressive, the memory I used on that overclock are my Team Xtreems PC2-6400 which throw up a million errors in memtest and need a ton of voltage to reach DDR2 1200 speeds. also, looking at all those voltages in the screenie you can tell I had a lot of headroom. Any experienced overclocker can tell that. I'm not a skeptic, but I choose to believe in numbers. There are too many myths on these forums :shakes:

Edit: That 640 FSB overclock looks good, but when you think about the fact that Oscar Wu himself was on im with the overclocker, it makes for a little bit of pause on my part. It would seem to me that the board was shipped directly from Taiwan, who knows, could be even the processor too. Oh, the bios was supposed to be special, right? All these things makes me a little skeptical. I just haven't seen these results you speak of. I'm by no means advicing you on your next board pick :), I'm just holding you to your bold statements which one would think was coming from someone who had extensive experience with these boards. I'm out.

PS: By the way, I picked up my rampage formula on newegg for $200. ;)

[fido_dido]

Guys,
I bought one E0 E8400 (vid=1.25v). It run 450*9 stable @1.27Vcore,1.53CPU PLL,1.26NB,1.20VTT. I hope to run 500*8 or 500*9 but failed. What volt should I adjust in BIOS?

[CryptiK]

I think you have misinterpreted what I have said. I simply initially made the comment that the RF is not the board for me, and that it is not the board I would choose if I was to purchase an X48. I didn't even want to state which board I would choose, as it is my opinion and I couldn't care less what other people purchase, nor do I want to influence what anyone else would purchase.

I dont have personal experience with either the RF or the T2RSB Plus, I have seen results from both, I like the T2RSB Plus better, simple. This was never an specific debate for the best DDR2 X48, it was initially not even a debate at all until you stepped in. Grnfinger just said he preferred the RF to the M2F. I said it was OK, but I preferred something else. I'm very surprised this escalated in to some apparent 'best DDR2 X48' board debate. This is not the place for such a debate, nor do I wish to take place in one. In fact I have no idea why you have come into the M2F thread and tried to initiate a debate about the best DDR2 X48 board. What it really is, is you saying the RF is the best X48 DDR2 board, and trying to convince others to agree with you.

I am not backsliding by bringing price vs performance into the equation, it was always in the equation from where I stand. Also I never said the RF lacks BIOS options that hampered overclocks at all, I just said it has sparse options and I felt it needed more. I'd appreciate it if you didn't misquote me. I even stated I did not think the RF was bad, just that it didn't appeal to me at all. I'm not contributing to myths, I've read through the RF thread here and on other forums, and I wasn't impressed, especially when you factor in their retail price. I've said nothing that was not true, nor have I hyped anything up, nor have I made any 'bold statements'.

I've simply stated my preference of X48 board, and said what I don't like about the RF. If you disagree, that's fine with me. I am not trying to convince anyone of my DDR2 X48 board preference. I don't know why you feel a need to do this - you were in this thread trying to show how great you thought the RF was before I even made my second post on the issue - you made the comment:



I'm also interested in seeing what Cryptic's choice of a better DDR2 x48 board would be because imo there's none. :)

Then I said what I disliked about it, and stated what board I liked better. If you think the RF is the best DDR X48 board, go for it, that's fantastic and I'm glad you're happy. I'm not debating this with you. I feel no need to.

[cstkl1]

I have heard many people say this, but it's not true in my experience.

What good is gtl control if it doesn't translate into higher fsb overclocks? High VNB? Check out the screenie below.

That's a good thing in my books.

I've gotten similar results on rampage formula.

This is still better than the competition, imo.

Yes, the RE is the best, this debate is about DDR2 though.

Well, what can I say, if it's not better than the rampage formula then my point is made; I know where that 640 figure comes from, and I haven't seen a single quadcore overclock in that thread, let alone past 500 fsb so again, if it is to be considered a contender, then we must see some justification for that. That 640fsb was is reasonable, but it was done with a x6 multi. I could show you my own screenie of a 7.5 x 600, even went up to 610, on the rampage formula and I wasn't even trying hard, and was limited by ram. Trust me, I've been in some ram bandwidth combat with some dfi nuts, etc. and came out feeling good so I know all about the hype. The RF is a solid overclocker; it may not overclock quads nearly as good as some p45s, but the x48 chipset was designed with other strengths which the RF demonstrates very nicely; eg. high fsbs and tight PLs.

Rampage Formula low volts prime action, everything set to the lowest.

my 24/7 with my E8600 before I switched to 9550

As you can see, I have gotten some pretty good results with rampage formula. :clap:

bro u do know right for 500 fsb on the RE at 1600 CL7 TRD 8 and m2F 1200mhz CL7 tRD 8 vNB is 1.25/1.21??? for 4x1gb
with vtt at 1.12 for e8600

i have used all the boards..
if RF had the same gtl control as RE... it would have been mind blowing.
also those who use m2f and went over to RE.. would understand gtl better
instead of blaming clock skews for everything.

also a lot of ppl clocking the quads for m2f are setting wrong gtl values and with the RF is less headache.
so i guess ure arguement wins here on RF clocking quads better

but i do admit that i only had the rampage formula upon launch with the initial bios as comparison to MF SE. So my argument was based on that

the DFI x48 was much better at that time for 1200mhz clocks at tRD 7.
for 4x1gb. Its here somewhere in XS dfi thread.. but i was just pissed off with the amount of time it took to get 500fsb stable for 4dimms and also the lack of support on GC's. It was something to do with DFI pcie compaitibility with pcie 2.0 GC's for ATi especially.

also i am just saying the boards that i have used.
also another point in ure side was the rampage formula that i had was a ES .
also my opinion is always based on the boards that i have clocked and never based on screen shots on threads
btw nice clocks

[seban]

That is a good text from anandtech -> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3471 about news on the market.

[Zucker2k]

And this is why I still feel the Rampage is a superior board compared to the Maximus II

Quad 9550 506FSB!!!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showpost.php?p=3478579&postcount=7473


In terms of max screen that's good, but not overly impressive. UD3P does 540 FSB+ with quads. It's a powerful little board.


oh agreed the UD3P is a definately a solid board, but comparing the rampage to max II the rampage ( which is what I was doing ) is far superior in every aspect.
Alot of ppl are hitting 500FSB for quads on other boards, I just dont see many high fsb quads on this board.
I'm still holding out for a bios that corrects all the issues with the MIIF, but I see no light at the end of the tunnel.


From what I can see there are more people with good quads capable of 500 FSB with the rampage formula, most people with the MIIF have duals, or C0/C1 quads that dont clock. If we had more guys with 9650's and E0 9550's I think we'd be seeing a lot more people doing 480 FSB+.
The RF is a decent X48 board, but it wouldn't be my choice if I had to pick an X48 (which I'm considering doing). The average max FSB for it is 495, over which few get any stability at all. 470 - 475 appears to be its max stable FSB on average.


I think you have misinterpreted what I have said. I simply initially made the comment that the RF is not the board for me, and that it is not the board I would choose if I was to purchase an X48. I didn't even want to state which board I would choose, as it is my opinion and I couldn't care less what other people purchase, nor do I want to influence what anyone else would purchase.

I dont have personal experience with either the RF or the T2RSB Plus, I have seen results from both, I like the T2RSB Plus better, simple. This was never an specific debate for the best DDR2 X48, it was initially not even a debate at all until you stepped in. Grnfinger just said he preferred the RF to the M2F. I said it was OK, but I preferred something else. I'm very surprised this escalated in to some apparent 'best DDR2 X48' board debate. This is not the place for such a debate, nor do I wish to take place in one. In fact I have no idea why you have come into the M2F thread and tried to initiate a debate about the best DDR2 X48 board. What it really is, is you saying the RF is the best X48 DDR2 board, and trying to convince others to agree with you.

I am not backsliding by bringing price vs performance into the equation, it was always in the equation from where I stand. Also I never said the RF lacks BIOS options that hampered overclocks at all, I just said it has sparse options and I felt it needed more. I'd appreciate it if you didn't misquote me. I even stated I did not think the RF was bad, just that it didn't appeal to me at all. I'm not contributing to myths, I've read through the RF thread here and on other forums, and I wasn't impressed, especially when you factor in their retail price. I've said nothing that was not true, nor have I hyped anything up, nor have I made any 'bold statements'.

I've simply stated my preference of X48 board, and said what I don't like about the RF. If you disagree, that's fine with me. I am not trying to convince anyone of my DDR2 X48 board preference. I don't know why you feel a need to do this - you were in this thread trying to show how great you thought the RF was before I even made my second post on the issue - you made the comment:



Then I said what I disliked about it, and stated what board I liked better. If you think the RF is the best DDR X48 board, go for it, that's fantastic and I'm glad you're happy. I'm not debating this with you. I feel no need to.Dude, you're the one trying to make a big deal out of nothing; I merely wanted you to stand by your comments. Obviously, it is there for all to see; you downplayed the capabilities of the board; here let me quote you:

1. "In terms of max screen that's good, but not overly impressive."

2. "From what I can see there are more people with good quads capable of 500 FSB with the rampage formula, most people with the MIIF have duals, or C0/C1 quads that dont clock. If we had more guys with 9650's and E0 9550's I think we'd be seeing a lot more people doing 480 FSB+."

To sum YOU up, the overclock (Grnfinger pointed to) on RF is not impressive, and the reason why there appears to be better quad overclocks on the RF in general compared to the MIIF is because people with RF have better quads. :rofl:

After saying that, you go on to say why you won't consider the RF.

Dude are you serious? Ok, let's assume that was the case; did you see the stepping of the chip in that overclock?

It's simple, if you can't defend utterances when you're called upon to defend them, then don't utter anything; especially don't make sweeping statements. You thrashed the RF even though you confess you don't have much experience with it, and then try to make the case for another board which you have no experience with? :clap:

I specifically became interested in the conversation between you and Grnfinger because I wanted to know what your comments were based on. Thanks for letting me know I'm debating somebody who doesn't even have much experience with any of the hardware he's commenting on. I'm not interested in getting into an argument with you, but it seems the best way for you to get out of the hole you have dug yourself into is to make it appear as if I'm here trying to pick an argument with you. I have a little advice for you, don't thrash a board you can't beat.

Myth busted!

[Leeghoofd]

You can join Jamie and Adam now on the Mythbusters show Zucker2K ( I hope you are good looking :p )

I'm not entering the debate here : but P45 seems to have an inferior bandwith then the enthousiast range Intel boards (clock for clock) but allows many to OC far easier and higher (remember 975 and 965), thus making up for the slight loss in bandwith. Tweaking X38/48 is for many users a no go...(coming from P35 it gave me some headaches at start) To me P45 is far easier... but both platforms have matured well and are awesome... I think MFII suffers lack of bios updates due to the release of I7 boards, as Asus Bios engineers seem to be focused more on that platform for now...

Shake hands and kiss each other's girlfriends...(or boyfriends lol)

[Zucker2k]

bro u do know right for 500 fsb on the RE at 1600 CL7 TRD 8 and m2F 1200mhz CL7 tRD 8 vNB is 1.25/1.21??? for 4x1gb
with vtt at 1.12 for e8600

i have used all the boards..
if RF had the same gtl control as RE... it would have been mind blowing.
also those who use m2f and went over to RE.. would understand gtl better
instead of blaming clock skews for everything.

also a lot of ppl clocking the quads for m2f are setting wrong gtl values and with the RF is less headache.
so i guess ure arguement wins here on RF clocking quads better

but i do admit that i only had the rampage formula upon launch with the initial bios as comparison to MF SE. So my argument was based on that

the DFI x48 was much better at that time for 1200mhz clocks at tRD 7.
for 4x1gb. Its here somewhere in XS dfi thread.. but i was just pissed off with the amount of time it took to get 500fsb stable for 4dimms and also the lack of support on GC's. It was something to do with DFI pcie compaitibility with pcie 2.0 GC's for ATi especially.

also i am just saying the boards that i have used.
also another point in ure side was the rampage formula that i had was a ES .
also my opinion is always based on the boards that i have clocked and never based on screen shots on threads
btw nice clocksCas 7? Anyway, I understand what you're saying, I also appreciate the fact that your not holding on rigidly to your position. Thanks. Oh, 500 FSB PL7 is easy on Rampage.

I do remember having a lot of fun doing comparos with Grnfinger on the Maximus Formula; below are some of my runs with Team Xtreem DDR2 800 ram. They're not my highest ram overclocks; this is just to show some numbers here:

[Zucker2k]

You can join Jamie and Adam now on the Mythbusters show Zucker2K ( I hope you are good looking :p )

I'm not entering the debate here : but P45 seems to have an inferior bandwith then the enthousiast range Intel boards (clock for clock) but allows many to OC far easier and higher (remember 975 and 965), thus making up for the slight loss in bandwith. Tweaking X38/48 is for many users a no go...(coming from P35 it gave me some headaches at start) To me P45 is far easier... but both platforms have matured well and are awesome...

Shake hands and kiss each other's girls...:rofl: :up: You speak true words; I've been eyeing the Gigabyte UD3P for sometime but I'm afraid I'm not going to get the stability I'm enjoying on RF, even though I'd probably overclock my quad higher on that board; oh well.

[CryptiK]

Wow you seriously have an attitude problem, think you're opinion is the be all and end all. Grow up please, you're making a massive fool of yourself, and ruining the thread. You are coming across like a diehard Asus RF fanboy, forcibly attempting to get people who differ with your opinion to justify their own opinions, or bow down to your "RF is the best" comments.

What I initially said were minor points, and said specifically in relation to the capabilities of the RF vs the M2F. It should have been left as that, as this is the M2F thread, not the "Zucker2K loves the RF and you must all agree with him" thread. If you want to debate the merits of various X48 platforms, make a thread and do it in the appropriate place, don't come into some unrelated board's thread and start arguing, or 'debating' as you euphemistically put it, with M2F owners about how great you think your board is, or how fantastic the 506 FSB max screen you achieved on it was. Aren't there enough people in the RF thread you can try and impress?

It's plainly obvious you got offended at the fact I commented your overclock Grnfinger linked to was not overly impressive, deal with it, it isn't that impressive. Also not a lot of C0/C1 9550's will go that high on FSB, and also there is one or two guys in the M2F thread with a 9550. There is another guy with a Q6600, one guy with a 9650 and one guy with a 9770 - none of these people have tested and posted results of max FSB testing or max FSB SS's. Why don't you educate yourself before attempting to undermine what I said about people with quads and the M2F - not many users have quads capable of 500 FSB, and those that own those quads have not done specific max FSB testing on this board and posted their results.

In addition, I did not 'thrash' the RF, I could certainly be a lot more critical if I felt the need to be, but I was restrained and only made necessary comments to support my opinion, as I don't own it, and didn't want to be overly critical. I used descriptions like "it appears to" and "it seems to" to demonstrate that what I was stating were observations, not direct findings of my own. I didn't go on some unwarranted and unwanted tirade about a board, like you have. I don't really like the RF, I stated briefly why, and when asked I stated the board I prefer to the RF.

Based on your statements, you cannot form an opinion of a board at all until you have owned and overclocked it. What made you choose the RF then? Did you own it before you bought one? Obviously not, you looked at the available results from it and other boards, and made an educated decision to buy it and try it. So essentially you are criticizing me for doing exactly what you did, only I didn't come to the same conclusion you did. You are apparently blind to your hypocrisy.

I shouldn't have to 'defend my utterances', my utterances being my opinion, to you or anyone else, I could have easily if I felt the need to, posted links etc, but your arrogance and attitude make you an unsavory person with which to debate. I simply couldn't be bothered debating with someone like you. From what I have seen, I don't really like the RF - so what? From what I have seen I prefer the T2RSB Plus - so what? I initially found your RF fanboyism and arrogance amusing, but now I find it ridiculous.

Please take your attitude and and 'DDR2 X48 debate' to an appropriate place, which is certainly not in this thread.

[Zucker2k]

Wow you seriously have an attitude problem, think you're opinion is the be all and end all. Grow up please, you're making a massive fool of yourself, and ruining the thread. You are coming across like a diehard Asus RF fanboy, forcibly attempting to get people who differ with your opinion to justify their own opinions, or bow down to your "RF is the best" comments.

What I initially said were minor points, and said specifically in relation to the capabilities of the RF vs the M2F. It should have been left as that, as this is the M2F thread, not the "Zucker2K loves the RF and you must all agree with him" thread. If you want to debate the merits of various X48 platforms, make a thread and do it in the appropriate place, don't come into some unrelated board's thread and start arguing, or 'debating' as you euphemistically put it, with M2F owners about how great you think your board is, or how fantastic the 506 FSB max screen you achieved on it was. Aren't there enough people in the RF thread you can try and impress?

It's plainly obvious you got offended at the fact I commented your overclock Grnfinger linked to was not overly impressive, deal with it, it isn't that impressive. Also not a lot of C0/C1 9550's will go that high on FSB, and also there is one or two guys in the M2F thread with a 9550. There is another guy with a Q6600, one guy with a 9650 and one guy with a 9770 - none of these people have tested and posted results of max FSB testing or max FSB SS's. Why don't you educate yourself before attempting to undermine what I said about people with quads and the M2F - not many users have quads capable of 500 FSB, and those that own those quads have not done specific max FSB testing on this board and posted their results.

In addition, I did not 'thrash' the RF, I could certainly be a lot more critical if I felt the need to be, but I was restrained and only made necessary comments to support my opinion, as I don't own it, and didn't want to be overly critical. I used descriptions like "it appears to" and "it seems to" to demonstrate that what I was stating were observations, not direct findings of my own. I didn't go on some unwarranted and unwanted tirade about a board, like you have. I don't really like the RF, I stated briefly why, and when asked I stated the board I prefer to the RF.

Based on your statements, you cannot form an opinion of a board at all until you have owned and overclocked it. What made you choose the RF then? Did you own it before you bought one? Obviously not, you looked at the available results from it and other boards, and made an educated decision to buy it and try it. So essentially you are criticizing me for doing exactly what you did, only I didn't come to the same conclusion you did. You are apparently blind to your hypocrisy.

I shouldn't have to 'defend my utterances', my utterances being my opinion, to you or anyone else, I could have easily if I felt the need to, posted links etc, but your arrogance and attitude make you an unsavory person with which to debate. I simply couldn't be bothered debating with someone like you. From what I have seen, I don't really like the RF - so what? From what I have seen I prefer the T2RSB Plus - so what? I initially found your RF fanboyism and arrogance amusing, but now I find it ridiculous.

Please take your attitude and and 'DDR2 X48 debate' to an appropriate place, which is certainly not in this thread.

I see why you've been able to accumulate over a thousand posts in 3 months; posting speculation huh? You haven't proved anything and your best defence is to resort to hostility. Let me tell you what is immature, because that is what you are:

1. Speculation; obviously this is your strong-point otherwise this debate won't even be necessary. I moved from X38 to X48 seamlessly; same bios, everything, so no, I didn't have to "form an opinion" or make an "educated decision." See? Speculator? :down: I went with Intel X** because of the superiority of the chipset.

2. Making Sweeping statements; I can't even elaborate on this one, it's all over your posts.

3. Clueless; you don't even know what you're saying anymore. This is not about you liking the rampage formula; boy, this is about you saying something you really don't know ANYTHING about. Wow! Do I have to point that out to you? Jeez, it feels like I'm having a debate with myself. You said something and I called you on it, capisce?

4. Indefensible statements; obviously that is why we're still having this debate

5. Spinning Myths/Lies; now this is dangerous, you want to give the air of somebody who knows what their talking about, but all you do is perpetrate myths. You've been exposed, boy.

So you tell me who needs growing-up? Dude can't even overclock his dualie and he's trying to pick a fight. Fact is the board you thrash has more potential than your fake skills could ever squeeze from it. Go learn how to overclock and then we can have a REAL DEBATE.

Sorry folks, but this fake wannabe overclocker had to be put in his place. Contrary to what some might think, I didn't take anything he said about my overclock personal. If you doubt me read my initial post. It was his reply to that post that started all this. I guess you can tell a person is cornered when they come out swinging. Man, you're hilarious. Remember, it's not personal I honestly thought you had a clue about what you were talking about. My apologies. I'm out.

PS: Hit me on the pm if you have anything else to say to me. :welcome:

[The Water Dog]

So 500+ is "easy" on Rampage?
I just wonder, my max is 485 with Q6600. Had been awsome with 500+, i think 490-495 is possible...but need lots of tweaking on my M2F.

[CryptiK]

I see why you've been able to accumulate over a thousand posts in 3 months; posting speculation huh? You haven't proved anything and your best defence is to resort to hostility. Let me tell you what is immature, because that is what you are:

1. Speculation; obviously this is your strong-point otherwise this debate won't even be necessary. I moved from X38 to X48 seamlessly; same bios, everything, so no, I didn't have to "form an opinion" or make an "educated decision." See? Speculator? :down: I went with Intel X** because of the superiority of the chipset.

2. Making Sweeping statements; I can't even elaborate on this one, it's all over your posts.

3. Clueless; you don't even know what you're saying anymore. This is not about you liking the rampage formula; boy, this is about you saying something you really don't know ANYTHING about. Wow! Do I have to point that out to you? Jeez, it feels like I'm having a debate with myself. You said something and I called you on it, capisce?

4. Indefensible statements; obviously that is why we're still having this debate

5. Spinning Myths/Lies; now this is dangerous, you want to give the air of somebody who knows what their talking about, but all you do is perpetrate myths. You've been exposed, boy.

So you tell me who needs growing-up? Dude can't even overclock his dualie and he's trying to pick a fight. Fact is the board you thrash has more potential than your fake skills could ever squeeze from it. Go learn how to overclock and then we can have a REAL DEBATE.

Sorry folks, but this fake wannabe overclocker had to be put in his place. Contrary to what some might think, I didn't take anything he said about my overclock personal. If you doubt me read my initial post. It was his reply to that post that started all this. I guess you can tell a person is cornered when they come out swinging. Man, you're hilarious. Remember, it's not personal I honestly thought you had a clue about what you were talking about. My apologies. I'm out.

PS: Hit me on the pm if you have anything else to say to me. :welcome:

Boy? Capisce? I said you were arrogant and had a bad attitude, and you just proved me right :rofl:

1) You judged the RF and it's capabilities through the use of a completely different board? I was referring to your specific choice of the RF, you have simply dodged the question.

2) I made statements of opinion based on what I had read about both the boards in question. Call this what you like it doesn't change reality. I was not trying to change anyone's opinion. Anyone can read up on a potential board and see if it seems suitable for them or not.

3) I never said I had personal experience with either board, just that I had an opinion based on the results I had seen with both boards.

4) I have explained and 'defended' my statements. The thing is you differ in opinion and are incredibly arrogant, and that in fact is why this 'debate' is still going. If you think the baord is great, that's fine, I simply said what my opinion was based on what I'd read, and I stated I did not want to argue and did not want to influence anyone's opinion of the board.

5) Spinning myths? That's a ridiculous accusation, and blatantly incorrect. I did nothing of the sort. Anyone can read through the RF thread and see what I said about the average limits of the board are correct. They can also look at the BIOS features it has, and notice that quite a few potentially useful options are not there. All you have done is expose your arrogance and showcase your shocking attitude.

It's quite amusing you accuse me of 'coming out swinging'. You in fact have been the aggressive one throughout this whole 'debate', which is plainly clear for anyone to see. You call me a 'fake wannabe overclocker' and 'boy', capitalize words (in effect yelling) and use psuedo tough guy words like 'capisce'. Who's the aggressive one? You are hilarious.

Like I'd bother to PM you, I have wasted enough time on you already.

[cstkl1]

zuck
just forget him...
he doesnt get that most ppl when they quote things in XS is from experience with the boards.this reminds of lowyat forum.ppl giving statements with boards that they themselves never tried.
and if they did. its right of others to question them.u cant fault that...right crypt??

and u cant fault anyone on their opinions either but its also good to point out to ppl thats its a opinion based on screenies rather than first hand experience which he already did.
y he asked u that cause afaik most opinions in XS is based on first hand experience. also wondering now did u even try the RE kekeke
had to actually buy quite a number of different rams chips..
so far i find d9jnl is the worst.. and samsung hc0's and d9gtrs are pretty good..will be getting some gts later.

anyways typo 1200mhz Cl5 tRD 7.. not CL7..kekeke..
anyways i am Switzerland
but one thing i love about all the ddr2 asus boards... THEY LOVE Team xtreem rams..d9gmh/d9gkx on 4 dimm clocking

oh yeah the m2f has a issue with 4.5ghz clocking.. its the limit..
after that to get it super stable.. the skews options on the rams are insufficient.. tested and proven with RE

and the reason y i think the current situation is such
a lot of forumers here before we claim certain boards capabilities and recommendation
we have tried it the boards to support the statements we have made. this makes some sort of accountability on what we say and recommend.
its what seperates XS from a lot of chit chat overclocking forums out there. The amount everybody learns from contributions etc is not from opinions but rather than personal experience.

u wont find me now claiming d9gts works wonders with RE until i have personally tested it myselfs of a few rams.

but m2f is still one of the best boards for p45. my reasoning is it doesnt do any faky fsb gain with ram performance compromise
that the dk's and t-power does. also it handles crossfire configuration better.
i had a hard time getting the t-power and dk stable with crossfire while the m2f with single card and crossfire config.. voltages remain the same .. no extra stress on the nb

[karamell]

Stability at 9*500 and 4 GB was very easy just a ~ +0.03 at vNB .


Processor: E8400 E0
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: Delay 300ps (This Gave me more stability at the same vCore - - Thanks CryptiK)
NB Clock Skew: Delay 400ps (This Gave me more stability at the same vNB - Thanks CryptiK)
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1000MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (For Now)

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Auto (For now)
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.341 (Droops to 1.336 under Load)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.16625
DRAM Voltage: 1.9
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.54
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.12 (Those because i have Raid)

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1):-30mv (This means 0.64x anything else at tha 0.61x - 0.67x Range cause prime to stop)
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3):-30mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled


Edit:

4h dual Prime with 4GB.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1692/9500primeblend13364gb4hpt3.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=9500primeblend13364gb4hpt3.jpg)

*My NB temps without a big fan and open window are 62+..still haven't put any washers...but i am 100% sure that the washers will improve my temps.

I will try for 8.5*533 now :P

Hi.
I've tried these settings, but my mobo always hangs at "DET DRAM":confused::confused:
Kinda noob here....:D

[cstkl1]

Hi.
I've tried these settings, but my mobo always hangs at "DET DRAM":confused::confused:
Kinda noob here....:D
theres no need for cpu/nb clocks skews..
ok when do use cpu/nb skews.... i cannot explain it until u try it ureself.. but it has to do with vtt voltage and gtl.
but for 500 fsb.. just leave it at auto.

assuming ure rams can handle 1000mhz Cl5 tRD 10 at around 2.1-2.2vdimm and strap 333 strength moderate
also assuming that uve found the exact vcore set for 4ghz.. ( usually i try this with higher multi and overvolt fsb/vnb/dram)
static read etc all enabled
ok when to change clock skews..
its to stabilize the fsb/vtt voltage.
so for 500fsb .. theres no need
also try this
+40 on cpu 0
leave the rest on auto...
up ure vtt voltage until u can enter windows
with nb voltage 1.21-1.25v
pll/sb 1.5 stock
leave the sb 1.05 stock... i was running raid 0 with two veloci..and 3 other hdd's...

after trying so many rams .. i finally getting what tony meant about ram chipsets and strength or something like that.. it becomes more apparent with ddr3... so hence the vnb voltages is depending on ure rams i guess.

[GeorgeVasil]

Hi.
I've tried these settings, but my mobo always hangs at "DET DRAM":confused::confused:
Kinda noob here....:D

Just put the rated voltage your rams have.

Mine are rated 1.8-1.9v 1100mhz (PSC) so i use 1.9v.

Yours might be 2.0 - 2.2v because you have some kind of D9's.

:up:

[Grnfinger]

WOW
alot goes on here in a short time.
Didnt mean to start a fight guys, was merley sharing some results. :sofa:


Hi.
I've tried these settings, but my mobo always hangs at "DET DRAM":confused::confused:
Kinda noob here....:D

Try PL11, it should eliminate your Det Dram issue.

[cstkl1]

oops
grnfinger just reminded me
sorry 1000mhz Cl5 - PL 11 Cl4 is PL10 1200mhz Cl5 - PL8 for this mobo..at 500fsb
forgot about that.

[CryptiK]

zuck
just forget him...
he doesnt get that most ppl when they quote things in XS is from experience with the boards.this reminds of lowyat forum.ppl giving statements with boards that they themselves never tried.
and if they did. its right of others to question them.u cant fault that...right crypt??

***************

and u cant fault anyone on their opinions either but its also good to point out to ppl thats its a opinion based on screenies rather than first hand experience which he already did.
y he asked u that cause afaik most opinions in XS is based on first hand experience. also wondering now did u even try the RE kekeke


***************

and the reason y i think the current situation is such
a lot of forumers here before we claim certain boards capabilities and recommendation
we have tried it the boards to support the statements we have made. this makes some sort of accountability on what we say and recommend.
its what seperates XS from a lot of chit chat overclocking forums out there. The amount everybody learns from contributions etc is not from opinions but rather than personal experience.

u wont find me now claiming d9gts works wonders with RE until i have personally tested it myselfs of a few rams.



I have used the RF, the RE (very briefly) and the T2RSB Plus. I have helped my mates set up their systems using the boards, but have not had what I would call 'overclocking experience' using them, as the guys I helped are pure gamers, and only wanted mild overclocks.

I thought it was pretty obvious from how I phrased what I was saying regarding the RF & T2RSB Plus was mostly based on what I had read, not what I had personally experienced. I would have said it totally differently if I was basing my opinion of the board off personal experience, and most likely provided examples of my max clocks etc. I was using phrases like "seems to" "appears to" and "may be due to" describing the apparent limitations I have read about. I would have been much more definitive if I had personally experienced it.

I have a problem with the fact Zucker2K was refusing to accept my personal opinion as valid as I had not personally had much experience with pushing the boards we were discussing to the limit. I have an opinion based on what I have read, and the brief personal experience I have had with the boards. He has based opinions on results he has seen himself, then criticizes me for doing exactly the same thing. His reaction was over the top, and he was hell bent on proving that the RF was the best DDR2 X48 board, in the M2F thread no less.

He was simply aggressive and arrogant. He was rude, and made false accusations. I'm not going to sit back and take that. Perhaps he was drunk or something, but that's no excuse for that kind of behaviour.

EDIT - for anyone reading this - search his user name and look at his posts. He has got to be one of the most aggressive, argumentative, hypocritical users on this site.

[Vega]

I have planned to let this board go on air for a while now but need to know if TRUE fit vertical (push/pull) or not? Actually TRU-black!!
If not, what other great heatsink fit?

Thanks in advance!

[seban]

Those setting below are 2h Small FTP P95 stable but mostl core 0 and core 3 will fail blend test or linpack affter 2minutes.

Ram is memtest86 2.1 stable for about 6 passes.

If RAM and GTL set to auto in BIOS same thing with Blend test as above.

This template was found here not real adjusting done yet. Probably such fast blend failing and few hours small ftt stable is indication of something obvious - unfortunately not for me :)?

Also when we are talking about safe vcore do we mean reading from CpuZ or setting in bios?

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
FSB Frequency : 471
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
North Bridge Clock Skew : Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-940MHz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Enabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Enabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Enabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.53975
FSBT : 1.259
DRAM Voltage : 2.012
North Bridge Voltage : 1.35175
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.10

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +50
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +10
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +50
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +10
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference : Auto

Load Line Calibration : Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Some screenie is coming.

http://images40.fotosik.pl/38/2b1ab9ed7420d03f.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)


I have planned to let this board go on air for a while now but need to know if TRUE fit vertical (push/pull) or not? Actually TRU-black!!
If not, what other great heatsink fit?

Thanks in advance!

Hi,

True black with two fans work both directions with no problem.

[Grnfinger]

Those setting below are 2h Small FTP P95 stable but mostl core 0 and core 3 will fail blend test or linpack affter 2minutes.

Ram is memtest86 2.1 stable for about 6 passes.

Also setting ram to auto is same thing aswell as GTL.

This template I found here not real adjusting done. Probably such fast blend failing and few hours small ftt stable is indication of something obvious - unfortunately not for me :)?

Also when we are talking about safe vcore do we mean reading from CpuZ or setting in bios?



Some screenie is coming.

Most ppl are referring to cpuz or everest not whats set in bios.

I think your stability problem can be corrected with your glts...
If you get off of 1:1 ram your bandwidth will improve, those Corsairs should do 1140MHz easy
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/1140.png

[SiGfever]

Gentlemen,
This thread is going waaaaay off base. All of you have your strengths and opinions and we should appreciate and acknowledge both. We are supposed to be friends helping friends, not get into pissing matches. I have learned a lot from each of you and I DO appreciate your knowledge and the fact that each of you take the time to help others.

So please let's get back on topic and put our anger towards the Asus Bios engineers that have apparently left us hanging with a three hundred US dollar board and a five dollar bios. :)

[Grnfinger]

Gentlemen,
This thread is going waaaaay off base. All of you have your strengths and opinions and we should appreciate and acknowledge both. We are supposed to be friends helping friends, not get into pissing matches. I have learned a lot from each of you and I DO appreciate your knowledge and the fact that each of you take the time to help others.

So please let's get back on topic and put our anger towards the Asus Bios engineers that have apparently left us hanging with a three hundred US dollar board and a five dollar bios. :)

Well said :up:

[seban]

Most ppl are referring to cpuz or everest not whats set in bios.

I think your stability problem can be corrected with your glts...
If you get off of 1:1 ram your bandwidth will improve, those Corsairs should do 1140MHz easy
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/1140.png

Any suggested setting to start from for 11xxmhz for Dominator?

[Grnfinger]

Any suggested setting to start from for 11xxmhz for Dominator?

- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
FSB Frequency : 471
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1140

CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

You might have to up vNB

[seban]

- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
FSB Frequency : 471
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1140

CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

You might have to up vNB

Thanks will test them now

[xzulu]

- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
FSB Frequency : 471
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1140

CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Hey, thanks for that post Grnfinger. I myself will be getting a 2x2 1066 Dominator kit soon. But I'll be running my Q9650 at 430x9 for 24/7. I hope I could still run it without problems with using my 400x9 settings.

[seban]

Just a quick question.

So I experienced the infamous bug of vNb>vtt+X.

And the question if I undesrstand correctly from manual I can reset CMOS in 3 ways.

With all cables unpluged, with power cable pluged and electricty runnig throu it and finnally with PC running :O ??

Am I correct or did I mixed it up. And which way is the best/safest or there is no difference?

[Grnfinger]

Just a quick question.

So I experienced the infamous bug of vNb>vtt+X.

And the question if I undesrstand correctly from manual I can reset CMOS in 3 ways.

With all cables unpluged, with power cable pluged and electricty runnig throu it and finnally with PC running :O ??

Am I correct or did I mixed it up. And which way is the best/safest or there is no difference?

Once the bios loads, you could actually remove the bios chip if you wanted to, if it wasnt solderd in.
I preffer to power down and clear cmos, there is no need to unplug the psu from the wall.

[The Water Dog]

just turn of your pc and turn of the power on your psu...and then push the clearcmos-button;)
Edit: Dr.Greenthumb was before me:D

[cstkl1]

Just a quick question.

So I experienced the infamous bug of vNb>vtt+X.

And the question if I undesrstand correctly from manual I can reset CMOS in 3 ways.

With all cables unpluged, with power cable pluged and electricty runnig throu it and finnally with PC running :O ??

Am I correct or did I mixed it up. And which way is the best/safest or there is no difference?

well best reset is power off ure computer with ure casing/mobo off button
shutdown ure psu
and press star/on button for a quick release of all the current left
and then start ure psu and press on...

started with all the p45 and RE.
but geee shorten a lot of headaches with the RE from what i learned from m2f..
so cpu voltages is out of the equation..
yeah would love a new bios for m2f

aka this is better than the clear cmos..
heck havent had to a clear cmos for a long time kekeke..
this will force the bios to default value while keeping ure previous clocks setting intact.

also its written in the manual
as this is the way to do it..
suppose to be some chipset limitation for overclocking failure recovery.
remembered reading that when was testing the p5qdeluxe and p5q3 test samples before the m2f came out

[Rocks]

Someone mind posting up the best RAM settings in the BIOS for maximum RAM stability? Tweaks on auto or disabled? Twister auto or lighter? I've gotten to the point where all I want is a stable CPU overclock, the RAM bandwidth has been shelved if you will.

Thanks

[SkOrPn]

333 fsb strap
500 fsb
8 multi
1000 mem
1.35-1.45 NB
1.2 VTT/FSB v
1.54 PLL v
Perf Level 8

Is this a good starting point for 4gz and 500fsb with my setup (in signature)? Any opinions/ideas?

Thanks

[radaja]

if your using the 1:1 divider (1000)mem youll need to use pl10

[SkOrPn]

if your using the 1:1 divider (1000)mem youll need to use pl10
lol, I was going to ad that it wont boot below pl10. so your correct sir... thx

Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
CPU Ratio Control : 8
FSB Frequency : 500
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
North Bridge Clock Skew : Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333mhz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1002MHz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto

DRAM Timing Control: Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : Auto
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.53975
FSB Term : 1.209
DRAM Voltage : 1.8
North Bridge Voltage : 1.35175
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.10

Load Line Calibration : Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Everything else unchanged from defaults.

Fails to load bios and fails to boot. What am I doing wrong here?

[radaja]

i really hope i get my maximusII back from RMA by friday.and im praying that they send me a NEW one ,thats not warped in any way.very flat. i really hate flying blind when it comes to temperatures.

[Nevin]

After 3 weeks of testing I gave up for 8x565 . This is for now I will wait for new BIOS.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8053/10x445eu3.th.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10x445eu3.jpg)

[seban]

i really hope i get my maximusII back from RMA by friday.and im praying that they send me a NEW one ,thats not warped in any way.very flat. i really hate flying blind when it comes to temperatures.

M8 I got two MF2 ATM in house and both are warped as hell. The new one which I bought because first one was warped is even more warped :/.

As I discovered they are both straight, it is heat pipe in Power area that warp them.

I am sending today one back.

[GeorgeVasil]

lol, I was going to ad that it wont boot below pl10. so your correct sir... thx

Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
CPU Ratio Control : 8
FSB Frequency : 500
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
North Bridge Clock Skew : Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333mhz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1002MHz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto

DRAM Timing Control: Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : Auto
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.53975
FSB Term : 1.209
DRAM Voltage : 1.8
North Bridge Voltage : 1.35175
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.10

Load Line Calibration : Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Everything else unchanged from defaults.

Fails to load bios and fails to boot. What am I doing wrong here?

Try to change your Ram voltage to 1.9..

Also set a value for your cpu voltage.

--------------------

You have 2 more options

Try for 7.5*533 Rams 1066 1:1 PL10 ..you wil get ~9600K Read

Or 9*455 Rams 1140 (mine 1100 PI have done 11h dual prime at 570 with 2-2.05V)

90398

[radaja]

yea seban,seame boat as you two boards both warped. on my first one it was warped where the i/o sheild was and i think it was the heat pipe assembly was the culprit too. thats why im hoping to get a straight and flat one for my third board. cause i know they exist.few people here on this forum have said theirs were as flat as a board.good luck on your replacement M8.

[cstkl1]

After 3 weeks of testing I gave up for 8x565 . This is for now I will wait for new BIOS.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8053/10x445eu3.th.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10x445eu3.jpg)

u know .. i found out the issue.. but not really solved it with clocking the re to get the gtl somewhat stable for 563 fsb

this is what i had to do for RE
cpu skew 200
nb skew normal

cmd channel a del 75
clk channel A1/A2 Del 100
clt channel A1/A2 del 100

cmd channel b del 100
clk channel a1/a2 del 100
clt channel a1/a2 del 75

vtt - 1.29
cpu 0 gtl+40

dont have any more m2f to test and now concentrating on re and re2.
but try the above on wherever options u can
the cpu skew 200
and nb skew normal was the important part to get the vtt stable.
infact actually with it can even bench at vtt 1.12v
so far with ibt i am down to two different residuals at the moment..
still wondering why its always those two only. 3.***002, 1.9***007
will try to get another m2f for christmas..

[Eeky NoX]

Wow!! Ya ain't lucky m8, both warped ?? Mine was flat as a marble ;) washers 'n new thermal paste maked me lose 10° on the NB
At yur opinion, don't you feel there's a real problem with the assembling of this board ?? Is there a worst mobo in terms of production quality ? (joke...or note !!)

At least : WHERE IS MY BIOS ???!!!!! WHERE IS MY MF BIOS ???!!!!! WHERE IS MY MFOB BIOS ???!!!!!

Raaah!! Guess they would give up their X58 bioses a moment for our ??? (...just for ram increase, please... :( )

[radaja]

just speaking from my own experience yes.horrible craftmanship.but i have hope,that ill get one that is very well assembled.