ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[Lloyd]

With DDR2 prices such as they are being cheap makes very liittle sense. Many 2x2 kits that OC quite well at low volts can be had for around $100 or less. These are primium ICs and lifetime warranty.

Cheaping out on ram for a $300 board is a big mistake IMHO

Totally agree

[vaderat-at]

Asus definitely need to revise the software and fix the bugs, the poor quality of asus software is legendary.

Asus really need to bring out a new bios too, that corrects the inability of D9 GMH/GKX ram to overclock past 1210 MHz, I have sticks that do 1333+ MHz but I can't get them over 1210 on this board no matter what. Also the low FSB should be addressed, as at the moment, the P5Q-Deluxe is better than this board in every way doing 590 FSB on 1.26 vNB (whereas the M2F maximum FSB is around 560 using 1.30 vNB) and being able to clock ram above 1350 MHz.
Asus better fix these issues with the next bios release or the M2F will become a legendary failure, as it is being outclassed by boards 30% cheaper than it (P5Q-D, DFI P45 Dark Plus etc).

Is that possible with a Bios update?

[CryptiK]

Yes, you can markedly improve a board's ability to overclock ram, increase its compatibility with ram (AFAIK D9JKH is officially supported but not D9 GMH/GKX) and better optimize other areas. Look at how much the new Gigabyte boards have improved with bios updates - one bios wont allow ram to clock over a certain speed no matter what is done, the next bios and the ram boots straight up at that speed and will go much higher.

Also, Ket's modified bioses are allowing much better ram overclocking compared to the standard asus bioses for the P5Q series boards. The bios makes a massive difference.

I just think Asus have been slack with the Maximus II Formula, and as a result it is clearly being beaten by the P5Q-Deluxe, a workstation board by comparison, which according to the M2F's 'ROG' label and higher price tag, should not be happening.

BTW, what vFSB/vNB are you running for 555 FSB stable?

[SiGfever]

Yes, you can markedly improve a board's ability to overclock ram, increase its compatibility with ram (AFAIK D9JKH is officially supported but not D9 GMH/GKX) and better optimize other areas. Look at how much the new Gigabyte boards have improved with bios updates - one bios wont allow ram to clock over a certain speed no matter what is done, the next bios and the ram boots straight up at that speed and will go much higher.

Also, Ket's modified bioses are allowing much better ram overclocking compared to the standard asus bioses for the P5Q series boards. The bios makes a massive difference.

I just think Asus have been slack with the Maximus II Formula, and as a result it is clearly being beaten by the P5Q-Deluxe, a workstation board by comparison, which according to the M2F's 'ROG' label and higher price tag, should not be happening.

BTW, what vFSB/vNB are you running for 555 FSB stable?

If ASUS wants to continue to market these ROG boards they had better step up to the plate and address these issues. You would think for the cost of these boards they would have their top bios engineers keeping these boards on top.

[GeorgeVasil]

Also, Ket's modified bioses are allowing much better ram overclocking compared to the standard asus bioses for the P5Q series boards. The bios makes a massive difference.


Have you tried the modded 1307 for Μ2F?

[Nunzi]

Wher can u get the modded bios1307?
Thanks

[SiGfever]

Hey guys I need your help. I was Prime95 "Blend" stable 2 hours with bios 701 and I flashed up to 1307 and it craps out in a matter of minutes now. Here are my settings, please look them over and make some suggestions. I am not trying to hit real high numbers just 3.7 for my daily machine. This chip is a "C0" revision and not the best clocker by any means. This is the machine in my sig.
Thanks.


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 436
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1047MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto







3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.4250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.61925
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.37825
DRAM Voltage: 2.14450
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35175
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.12650

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -45mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -45mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto









CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Grnfinger]

Have you tried the modded 1307 for Μ2F?

It was my understanding Ket was doing P5Q bios only atm.
can you provide a link?

[Grnfinger]

Hey guys I need your help. I was Prime95 "Blend" stable 2 hours with bios 701 and I flashed up to 1307 and it craps out in a matter of minutes now. Here are my settings, please look them over and make some suggestions. I am not trying to hit real high numbers just 3.7 for my daily machine. This chip is a "C0" revision and not the best clocker by any means. This is the machine in my sig.
Thanks.



going back to 701 is your rig stable again with same settings.

Why are you running PLL so high? I doubt it need to be set so high, I'm running 1.5 ( bios ) for 3.9GHz 459x8.5

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5


CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

my :2cents:

[CryptiK]

Have you tried the modded 1307 for Μ2F?

Yes, I'm the one who asked him to do it for me by special request. It did help, I gained an extra 40MHz of stable ram speed. It didn't allow me to do what I was hoping for (650 MHz +) but there was definitely an improvement.

His modded bios also supports more cpu's than the latest M2F bios.

Gimme a minute I'll find the link for you Grnfinger.

EDIT - here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3293149&postcount=358


Hey guys I need your help. I was Prime95 "Blend" stable 2 hours with bios 701 and I flashed up to 1307 and it craps out in a matter of minutes now. Here are my settings, please look them over and make some suggestions. I am not trying to hit real high numbers just 3.7 for my daily machine. This chip is a "C0" revision and not the best clocker by any means. This is the machine in my sig.
Thanks.
So just to clarify, every setting is the same, but it is no longer stable using bios 1307? I'd also like to know if going back to 701 gets you stable again at the same settings.

[Grnfinger]

Thanks for teh link, maybe 4.0GHz is going to happen after all.

[SiGfever]

going back to 701 is your rig stable again with same settings.

Why are you running PLL so high? I doubt it need to be set so high, I'm running 1.5 ( bios ) for 3.9GHz 459x8.5

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5


CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

my :2cents:
Yes it was stable with 701 bios. I raised the PLL voltage and that helped me get to 3.72. I will try lowering it and try your settings.

Yes, I'm the one who asked him to do it for me by special request. It did help, I gained an extra 40MHz of stable ram speed. It didn't allow me to do what I was hoping for (650 MHz +) but there was definitely an improvement.

His modded bios also supports more cpu's than the latest M2F bios.

Gimme a minute I'll find the link for you Grnfinger.

EDIT - here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3293149&postcount=358


So just to clarify, every setting is the same, but it is no longer stable using bios 1307? I'd also like to know if going back to 701 gets you stable again at the same settings.
All settings the same. I went back to 701 and ran large FFT's but have not run "blend" yet. I felt that my settings were too high for the OC reached.

[Grnfinger]

Yes it was stable with 701 bios. I raised the PLL voltage and that helped me get to 3.72. I will try lowering it and try your settings.

All settings the same. I went back to 701 and ran large FFT's but have not run "blend" yet. I felt that my settings were too high for the OC reached.

Something you might want to try is a positive value for GTL's.
I ran the correct values for my setup -50 or something like that and coudnt get 2 cores stable.
Adjusting to a positive value
ie +30 +20 +20 +30 got my chip stable fast and allowed me to lower PLL to its min, and vcore was also lowerd 2 notches.
Not saying its going to work but its worth a shot?

[GeorgeVasil]

Yes, I'm the one who asked him to do it for me by special request. It did help, I gained an extra 40MHz of stable ram speed. It didn't allow me to do what I was hoping for (650 MHz +) but there was definitely an improvement.

His modded bios also supports more cpu's than the latest M2F bios.

Gimme a minute I'll find the link for you Grnfinger.

EDIT - here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3293149&postcount=358


Thanks for the info!

Have you mentioned any Memory Read/Write/Copy Improvement compared with the original BIOS (1037)??(like the P5Q BIOS-es)

[CryptiK]

TBH not really that i noticed however I wasn't looking for that, just attempting to raise the max mem speed achievable.

[FuryPT]

So people, Maximus II Formula or P5Q Deluxe? I am going to buy tomorrow one of them! The mems will be the OCZ Platinium 8000 2x2gb

[vaderat-at]

BTW, what vFSB/vNB are you running for 555 FSB stable?

vFSB=1.24575
vNB=1.28550

[xzulu]

So people, Maximus II Formula or P5Q Deluxe? I am going to buy tomorrow one of them! The mems will be the OCZ Platinium 8000 2x2gb

The P5Q Deluxe is also a good board. But if you've got the extra cash to spend, then get the Maximus II Formula. :up:

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Lately I've got a couple of BSODs! Then everytime it reboots my HDD isn't detected. Noticed the problem was with the SATA cable. I was using the L-type that came with the board...it's nice and soft for bending alright...but dang was to soft i guess.:down:

Replaced them and used my trusty black Foxconn SATA cables....:up:

[SiGfever]

Something you might want to try is a positive value for GTL's.
I ran the correct values for my setup -50 or something like that and coudnt get 2 cores stable.
Adjusting to a positive value
ie +30 +20 +20 +30 got my chip stable fast and allowed me to lower PLL to its min, and vcore was also lowerd 2 notches.
Not saying its going to work but its worth a shot?

I tried some settings from one of your posted OC's. It failed core 1 after 52min runtime. Here are the settings.


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 436
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1047MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 300ps
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto







3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.4250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850
DRAM Voltage: 2.12
North Bridge Voltage: 1.39150
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +10mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +10mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +20mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto









CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Grnfinger]

I tried some settings from one of your posted OC's. It failed core 1 after 52min runtime. Here are the settings.

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 436
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1047MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 300ps
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto







3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.4250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53975
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850
DRAM Voltage: 2.12
North Bridge Voltage: 1.39150
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): +30mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +30mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto









CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled




suggestions are in bold

[SiGfever]

suggestions are in bold

Thanks, I will try them now.
John

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

Hello, I'm new here on XS.
I just got my M2F and I am loving it!

I have a QX6700 B3 65nm HEAT MONSTER, but this board is so good, that I can run it air cooler at:

3.5GHz 500FSB x7
3.8GHz 475FSB x8
3.6GHz 450FSB x8
3.6GHz 400FSB x9

This board can run 45nm quad's with 500FSB and 4GHz+ on good air and with water it can do more.

I am all air cooled, but I did the washer mod and AS5 on NB / SB.
When I first powered the board I had no windows, so I left it on the BIOS for 20 minutes to check temps, and this is what I got:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5835/mf2dof6.jpg

This is my system, I use it with the case closed.
I will soon post some pics of my overclocks with this great board!

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7757/mf2aci5.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4118/mf2bzo9.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3493/mf2cyv4.jpg

[SiGfever]

Well I modified my GTL's and so far (1.5hrs) I am Prime95 "Blend" stable @3.7. I will try to lower some voltage settings later to see if I can reduce them since the GTL's seemed to be better dialed in. Thanks Grnfinger for your help. :up:

Also thanks to "Nemesis", I used his GTL settings from an OC that he had posted.


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 436
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1047MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 300ps
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto







3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.4250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850
DRAM Voltage: 2.13125
North Bridge Voltage: 1.39150
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (1):-15mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): -15mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto









CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

First test with the aircooled QX6700 B3 65nm HEAT MONSTER!

3.2GHz 400FSB x8
2h prime95 blend

The NB is aircooled at 1.3v and it only goes to 34c under load!
Room temp is arround 22 - 23c I believe.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6329/mf2ens6.jpg

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

QX6700 B3 65nm HEAT MONSTER!

3.6GHz 450FSB x8
All on air, 1h prime95 blend so far...

BIOS 1307, not tweaked with everything on AUTO, except:

vcore = 1.47v
NB = 1.4v
VTT = 1.32v

DDR2-1080 5-5-5-18

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1812/mf2fcw1.jpg


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Prime95 blend 2h stable now, and it is running with OCCT max load (infinite) CPU + 3D...
That OCCT gpu test is really crazy!
My 8800ultra core is now 80c+ with that thing running on full screen. I am running with the case closed, so the heat from the GPU is killing my CPU temps now...
As I am air cooling the QX6700 B3 65nm HEAT MONSTER, I think it is close to its limit now. Temps are high.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4162/mf2gql5.jpg

[CryptiK]

Just mucking around with it today:

500FSB, CellShock GKX @ 600 MHz CL 5
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F500-1200.jpg

539 FSB, CellShock GKX @ 1078 CL 4
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F539FSBDDR1078CL4.jpg

570 FSB (can't go any higher with this board although CPU does 590 FSB on same vcore on P5Q-Deluxe
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F570FSB.jpg

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

3.5GHz
500FSB
DDR2-1200 5-5-5-18-2T

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2927/mf2hnm7.jpg

[d3885u]

Is there anyone of you can pass the FSB 600 please...???
I'm still waiting for my Maximus II Formula coming soon...hopefully tommorow I could testing my M2F...and when I read about the thread and sharing posting...any reason why Asus Maximus II Formula didn't match the expectation for a R.O.G series motherboard...???
Why Asus is a more looks like "abbandoned" the M2F and the other P45 chipset...altough on the other side...Biostar,DFI,and Gigabyte looks like they succeed to create "THE FSB MONSTER..."
about the "bug" and the other "disfunction" about max FSB wall and the max RAM spd...Is it because of the BIOS, (coz I think the BIOS from ASUS is still looks so "premature"...) or because the limitation from the motherboard it's self...???Or maybe because Asus had the "defective" chipset of P45...???Thx 4 your sharing and the explanation 4 me...

[CryptiK]

I have no idea why this board doesn't perform as well as the P5Q-Deluxe, nor do I understand why there has not been sufficient bios development to keep it competitive. You are correct in saying Gigabyte seem to have done a much better job than Asus regarding bios development for their P45 boards, with 600 - 650 FSB being easily achievable and also they have great ram overclocking ability.

The maximus II formula is absolutely terrible at ram overclocking, I cannot get it to do DDR 1220 CL 5 no matter what. This is equivalent to the max on the Asus P5Q-E, a low-end board compared to this so called 'high-end' ROG board. My P5Q-Deluxe benched the same kit of ram at 1333 and I could load windows at 1380 and POST at 1400 using only 2.3v!

I cannot explain it, this board is supposed to be high end, hence it's 'ROG' classification and massive price tag, yet my P5Q-Deluxe (and everyone else's - go look at the P5Q-Deluxe thread for more examples) is better at FSB overclocking and way better at ram overclocking. The M2F also takes more vNB to run a given FSB and PL (tRD) compared to the P5Q-Deluxe. on the M2F it took 1.37v vNB to load windows at 570 FSB and it was very unstable, whereas I could bench 3D etc at 572 FSB at only 1.26 vNB on my deluxe.

Unless they can make this board at least as good as the P5Q-Deluxe at both FSB (620+) and ram overclocking (1300 - 1400+) then this board should stayed away from. Sure it can do average clocks and average FSB, but it is no fun, and definitely not deserving of its 'high end' classification.

Needless to say, when my P5Q-Deluxe returns from RMA, I will be changing straight back to it and getting rid of the maximus II formula.

[turtletrax]

Seems every Asus board I go to I get a kick in the jaw. This is pathetic at best.


If I cannot get 4.5Ghz 24/7 out of my E8400 I will most likely sell this board and move on. TOo bad really, this board sure looks the part.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

Maximus II Formula
1:1 (400FSB / DDR2-800)
PL8

So, is PL8 possible with 1:1 on MF2, or it is because of the low freq mem?

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2274/mf2ilq8.jpg

[kwalker]

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 444
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-943MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: Auto
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.3675
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.60600
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.35175
DRAM Voltage: 2.21075
North Bridge Voltage: 1.40475
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: Auto
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: Auto

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto
Still a lot of auto going on here but this is the only settings I can get the ram to run 1066.
the bandwidth is better at 471 4GHz but The Dominators with other than Microns wont agree with this P45 chipset.
I broke my PC10000's :smoke: :censored:
I forgot to mention here that I'm running Vista 64 bit and 4X1gb pc8500's ......that makes a difference on how the ram responds
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa283/kwalker50/09-21-2008_22-25-25.png

This screen shows the ram but bsod at reboot so I raised the NB voltage.
Seems ram is my issue and not CPU at all.
I toyed with the ref voltages and just about every other settings you can think of but no go on the ram OC without a latency change.
I'll post an update with different ram later.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa283/kwalker50/09-21-2008_16-15-50.png

[CryptiK]

Is there anyone of you can pass the FSB 600 please...???


I'm pretty sure 600 FSB would take upwards of 1.6v vNB if it is even achievable on most M2F boards, unless it happens to luckily have a good clocking MCH. Even with 1.45v vNB my board is at its limit at 570 FSB, 572 FSB will not POST. I think it would take 1.45 - 1.5 vNB to stabilize 550 FSB in orthos/linpack. At 1.40v mine fails Orthos in 2 seconds at 550 FSB :rofl:

One guy (Solarfall I think his name was) did hit 600FSB, but he did not provide details of what vNB etc this required, nor his cooling setup.

[grifonemoloch]

I'm pretty sure 600 FSB would take upwards of 1.6v vNB if it is even achievable on most M2F boards, unless it happens to luckily have a good clocking MCH. Even with 1.45v vNB my board is at its limit at 570 FSB, 572 FSB will not POST. I think it would take 1.45 - 1.5 vNB to stabilize 550 FSB in orthos/linpack. At 1.40v mine fails Orthos in 2 seconds at 550 FSB :rofl:

One guy (Solarfall I think his name was) did hit 600FSB, but he did not provide details of what vNB etc this required, nor his cooling setup.

Hi all! My first post on this thread, so greetings :)
Another user managed to be stable at 570FSB with bios 603, this is the screen he linked in his post (the post is on page 20 of this thread, first post of the page)

http://spacemaster.sx-team.com/Testovi%20Sajt/Maticne%20ploce/ASUS%20Maximus%20II%20Formula/Orhos/Velike/E8500.JPG

I'm going to put a Q9550 and some G. skill RAM soon on this board, i will let you know my results

Bye ;)

[CryptiK]

Thanks for that, I've been trawling the thread and I also found a guy who got 555 FSB Orthos stable. There is, however, definitely a consensus that the board isn't capable of much more than 600 FSB (607 is the highest I've seen).

I have a theory on that though. The board is not able to clock ram to 610 MHz, as I have extensively tested this with kits capable of 675 MHz+ . It can do 600 MHz, but I cant get 605 orthos stable. This would mean that 610 FSB would not be stable either, and around 600 - 610 FSB would be the absolute limit of the board.

I am sure that the MCH is limiting me though, as if I try 570 FSB on 1.32v vNB, it wont POST, but if I increase vNB to 1.35v it wil post but isn't stable, and I gain some (very little) stability by increasing that further to 1.40v. Above 1.40v it gains me nothing. Loosening PL to 13 from 10 allows it to POST at 1.32 vNB but it wont load windows, however I should not have to go higher than PL 10 at less than 600 FSB. Furthermore I have confirmed this CPU does 590 FSB on a deluxe at the same vcore (1.33v).

EDIT - I also do not know where/how Solarfall got bios version 603, all i can find is 604. I have tried 1307, 701 & 801 and all of them had the same limits, but 1307 recovers from a failed overclock properly, whereas the older bioses do not, requiring a power off at the PSU switch.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

Did u tried the modBIOS 1307?

[CryptiK]

Yes, I'm the guy that asked Ket to mod it for me and was the first to try it out :D It didn't help my max FSB though. I really hope there is a new 'improved' bios released soon.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

could u tell me please which changes has this "new" bios?

[CryptiK]

You mean what Ket changed in the 1307 mod bios? He added additional cpu support, and replaced the M2F memory table with the P5Q-Premium memory table. He may have made other small changes too that I'm not aware of.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

ok... sounds interesting.. maybe i should test this mod bios...
Did it works fine?

[CryptiK]

Yeah absolutely, Ket's good at what he does, no problems at all, and I was able to overclock the ram a little higher too.

[d3885u]

Wow..that's great...where I can get the BIOSmod version is?
And sorry maybe I have some question to you Cryptik...Is there any different when you use the RAM slot at 1&3 comparing with slot 2&4...???
Which is the best between two dual channel option is?thx...

[64dragon]

i just joined the M2F club :) I received my board today and am currently replacing the stock TIM. I think Asus has figured out that theres issues with the nb being hot, the back of my board has 3 of their washers on it at the 2 nb screws.

[unex|st]

I have no idea why this board doesn't perform as well as the P5Q-Deluxe, nor do I understand why there has not been sufficient bios development to keep it competitive. You are correct in saying Gigabyte seem to have done a much better job than Asus regarding bios development for their P45 boards, with 600 - 650 FSB being easily achievable and also they have great ram overclocking ability.

The maximus II formula is absolutely terrible at ram overclocking, I cannot get it to do DDR 1220 CL 5 no matter what. This is equivalent to the max on the Asus P5Q-E, a low-end board compared to this so called 'high-end' ROG board. My P5Q-Deluxe benched the same kit of ram at 1333 and I could load windows at 1380 and POST at 1400 using only 2.3v!

I cannot explain it, this board is supposed to be high end, hence it's 'ROG' classification and massive price tag, yet my P5Q-Deluxe (and everyone else's - go look at the P5Q-Deluxe thread for more examples) is better at FSB overclocking and way better at ram overclocking. The M2F also takes more vNB to run a given FSB and PL (tRD) compared to the P5Q-Deluxe. on the M2F it took 1.37v vNB to load windows at 570 FSB and it was very unstable, whereas I could bench 3D etc at 572 FSB at only 1.26 vNB on my deluxe.

Unless they can make this board at least as good as the P5Q-Deluxe at both FSB (620+) and ram overclocking (1300 - 1400+) then this board should stayed away from. Sure it can do average clocks and average FSB, but it is no fun, and definitely not deserving of its 'high end' classification.

Needless to say, when my P5Q-Deluxe returns from RMA, I will be changing straight back to it and getting rid of the maximus II formula.

I totally agree with you, I spent some nights trying to get the max out of my 2x2gb PC8500 Dominators and I found that MIIF couldn't go any higher than my old P5B deluxe. Stock frequencies needed less voltage, but this is not exactly what I'm expecting from this board.

I played for hours with the "advanced settings" but I always ended up leaving them on auto. The only improvement was by delaying 100ps on B1 slot.

I found the best divider to be 3:4, all others were less stable or unable to boot (even @ PL 10). I found also some fsb holes, I can do a 420MHz stable but 421 won't post, with 430MHz back stable again. The same was for 450MHz, with the system becoming bootable again at 460MHz.

The only setting which actually made me gain some fsb MHz was tWTW_S. Loosening it from 4 to 5 I got about 7/8MHz without almost no bandwidth loss. Clock twister settings were again a no go: no noticeable bandwidth gain from light to normal and no boot with strong/stronger (even at stock DRAM frequencies).

I didn't try pull-in settings, but I don't think they would make the situation look different..

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

I totally agree with you, I spent some nights trying to get the max out of my 2x2gb PC8500 Dominators and I found that MIIF couldn't go any higher than my old P5B deluxe. Stock frequencies needed less voltage, but this is not exactly what I'm expecting from this board.

I played for hours with the "advanced settings" but I always ended up leaving them on auto. The only improvement was by delaying 100ps on B1 slot.

I found the best divider to be 3:4, all others were less stable or unable to boot (even @ PL 10). I found also some fsb holes, I can do a 420MHz stable but 421 won't post, with 430MHz back stable again. The same was for 450MHz, with the system becoming bootable again at 460MHz.

The only setting which actually made me gain some fsb MHz was tWTW_S. Loosening it from 4 to 5 I got about 7/8MHz without almost no bandwidth loss. Clock twister settings were again a no go: no noticeable bandwidth gain from light to normal and no boot with strong/stronger (even at stock DRAM frequencies).

I didn't try pull-in settings, but I don't think they would make the situation look different..



That is strange... I am happy with my M2F...
I can post with strong / stronger settings on any FSB / MEM / Ratio / Clock.
I can do DDR2-1200 with any BIOS I try...
I can do PL8 with 1:1 divider too, and boot with 400 strap if needed.

M2F let me overclock my quad with less volts then any other board I know.
And it is 500FSB stable on my quad, and I am all aircooled LOL!

All I did was the washer mod, and applied AS5 on NB and SB.
Without crazy volts, my NB is always below 38c on load. With crazy volts like 1.5v, it is always under 42c under load.

I am stable with a 65nm QX6700 (2.66GHz / 266) B3 HEAT MONSTER aircooled at:

7x500 = 3.5GHz
8x475 = 3.8GHz
8x450 = 3.6GHz
9x400 = 3.6GHz

I can post on 4GHz but it won't even load windows without insane volts.

If the board is doing 3.8GHz with a 65nm B3 (LOL) I bet with a good 45nm quad, this board can do 4.0 - 4.2GHz stable on air, and with a good water system, 4.2 - 4.5GHz.

With a good 45nm dual, it should be possible to be stable aircooled @ 4.3GHz or more.

This is a great board.

500FSB with 65nm B3 Quad and DDR2-1200 CL5
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2927/mf2hnm7.jpg

3.6GHz 450FSB with B3 Quad aircooled stable 24/7
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1812/mf2fcw1.jpg

My rig
http://i38.tinypic.com/10xr1j7.jpg

Lapped stuff:
http://i33.tinypic.com/n9a49.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Yes, I'm the guy that asked Ket to mod it for me and was the first to try it out :D It didn't help my max FSB though. I really hope there is a new 'improved' bios released soon.

I found his bios did nothing for my setup, no FSB improvement and no bandwidth improvement. I was hoping for a tref adjustment to improve badwidth sadly no.

[CryptiK]

That is strange... I am happy with my M2F...
I can post with strong / stronger settings on any FSB / MEM / Ratio / Clock.
I can do DDR2-1200 with any BIOS I try...
I can do PL8 with 1:1 divider too, and boot with 400 strap if needed.

M2F let me overclock my quad with less volts then any other board I know.
And it is 500FSB stable on my quad, and I am all aircooled LOL!

All I did was the washer mod, and applied AS5 on NB and SB.
Without crazy volts, my NB is always below 38c on load. With crazy volts like 1.5v, it is always under 42c under load.

I am stable with a 65nm QX6700 (2.66GHz / 266) B3 HEAT MONSTER aircooled at:

7x500 = 3.5GHz
8x475 = 3.8GHz
8x450 = 3.6GHz
9x400 = 3.6GHz

I can post on 4GHz but it won't even load windows without insane volts.

If the board is doing 3.8GHz with a 65nm B3 (LOL) I bet with a good 45nm quad, this board can do 4.0 - 4.2GHz stable on air, and with a good water system, 4.2 - 4.5GHz.

With a good 45nm dual, it should be possible to be stable aircooled @ 4.3GHz or more.

This is a great board.


I can do 1200 on the ram easily too, I said 1210 was unstable and 1220+ was no go. Try 1220 - 1250 for me and see how you go. Other P45's can do 1250 - 1350 easily and the M2F just simply cannot.

Any P45 board will let a decent quad do ~500 FSB pretty much stable, it's nothing really, and 4.3 on a wolfdale is also a gimme with the right vcore.

I have tried both the P5Q-Deluxe and the M2F and I can categorically state the P5Q-Deluxe is way better. Guy with quads in the deluxe thread have also easily hit 500 FSB and have done 620 FSB+ on wolfdales with stock cooling on the NB with moderate (<1.32v) vNB.

Try this on your M2F, it simply isn't going to happen:

DDR1333 MHz dual channel 2.29v (real) @ 1.26v vNB:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1333228vrealeverestmemsetcpuz.jpg

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

CryptiK,

Why da_hell am I going to do that?
You have there a DDR2-1333 CL5 at 444FSB, and you have 9K read and 60ns latency. That is so bad it hurts.

450FSB / DDR2-900 CL4 1:1 will do about the same bandwidth and latency you are doing on your P5Q with insane DDR2-1333 CL5.

Get real, you won't have more then 1-3% boost on any game going from reasonable DDR2 clocks, to insane DDR2-1333 like that.

So if I can have the same performance using DDR2-900 CL4 with 1:1 450FSB, why am I going for DDR2-1333 on this stupid P45 with PL limitations?

If you wanna talk BIG about memory overclocking, then show me something like this:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5373/everest45045033341thm3.jpg

This was done about 18 months ago LOL!
That was DDR2-900 CL3 linked / sync on 680i. Used only 2.4v on mem.
Now, for those latency and bandwidth I fought.
P45 (any board) is not that good on latency / bandwidth, it has PL limitations. So there is absolute no reason to go for those clocks on ANY P45 board since the results are always bad.

If your thing is memory overclocking, you are for sure using the wrong board, been that a M2F or a P5Q-D.

Now we can talk about fsb limitations. That is fine. But don´t show me some DDR2-1333 on 9K read and 60ns latency on a P5Q like it is a good thing. This is a very very very bad thing. One of the worst performances I have ever seen on a high clocked DDR2. On my 680i I would beat that with DDR2-800 LOL.

And my quad is a 65nm B3 LOL. It is almost impossible to overclock it on air. What I did on this board with it is not that easy as you are saying.
My 45nm will arrive soon, then we will see what it can do on M2F aircooled.

[CryptiK]

CryptiK,

Why da_hell am I going to do that?
You have there a DDR2-1333 CL5 at 444FSB, and you have 9K read and 60ns latency. That is so bad it hurts.

450FSB / DDR2-900 CL4 1:1 will do about the same bandwidth and latency you are doing on your P5Q with insane DDR2-1333 CL5.

Get real, you won't have more then 1-3% boost on any game going from reasonable DDR2 clocks, to insane DDR2-1333 like that.

So if I can have the same performance using DDR2-900 CL4 with 1:1 450FSB, why am I going for DDR2-1333 on this stupid P45 with PL limitations?

If you wanna talk BIG about memory overclocking, then show me something like this:

*pic removed*

This was done about 18 months ago LOL!
That was DDR2-900 CL3 linked / sync on 680i. Used only 2.4v on mem.
Now, for those latency and bandwidth I fought.
P45 (any board) is not that good on latency / bandwidth, it has PL limitations. So there is absolute no reason to go for those clocks on ANY P45 board since the results are always bad.

If your thing is memory overclocking, you are for sure using the wrong board, been that a M2F or a P5Q-D.

Now we can talk about fsb limitations. That is fine. But don´t show me some DDR2-1333 on 9K read and 60ns latency on a P5Q like it is a good thing. This is a very very very bad thing. One of the worst performances I have ever seen on a high clocked DDR2. On my 680i I would beat that with DDR2-800 LOL.

And my quad is a 65nm B3 LOL. It is almost impossible to overclock it on air. What I did on this board with it is not that easy as you are saying.
My 45nm will arrive soon, then we will see what it can do on M2F aircooled.

Like in my GTL+ Ref thread, you seem to be an expert in missing the point. I was saying the M2F has memory overclocking problems, and it cannot clock ram above 1210 MHz. I then gave an example of how high the P5Q-Deluxe can overclock ram. I wasn't 'talking big about memory overclocking'. I was comparing 2 similar boards ability to overclock ram in terms of speed achievable. It appears you also misunderstood what I did, thinking it was my '24/7' ram setting. It was a ram overclocking test, simply to establish what those sticks would do on less than 2.3v real.

You then belittle the result, saying you can beat the efficiency, bandwidth and latency using a lower ram speed & lower CL. When did I ever say that I was trying to achieve any of those things? I didn't, I said 'ram overclocking' which meant 'ram overclocking' and nothing more.

I am fully aware of the low efficiency and high latency of the P45 chipset compared to 680i nvidia platform and P35. You don't need to tell me something I already know.

Furthermore, you say I should be on a board that is absolutely renowned for killing D9 based ram to overclock my D9 based ram. I don't know what you're thinking suggesting that, as using a board that will kill my ram is not a smart choice by any stretch of the imagination.

In the ram overclocking threads, where the sole aim is speed at a given CL or voltage, do you see guys saying where is your efficiency? No, speed is the sole aim. That was my sole aim using the P5Q-Deluxe, and I achieved that with 2.29v real.

Let me give you some advice - If you want to use the know-it-all tone you consistently do, and 'talk big', perhaps wait until you have more than 24 posts to your name ;) Otherwise you will definitely develop a reputation as an annoying member, and so far you are going about that pretty well.

[mikeyakame]

All I can say is DDR2-1333 on a P45 is simply amazing. Those symmetrical read/write/copy speeds are also amazing. Nice work Cryptik :D

Also mate off topic of that, roughly what Clock Skews on A1/A2/B1/B2 did you find you needed to use to get the D9s to push over 1200Mhz on the P5Q Deluxe. I played around briefly trying to get my mates D9s on his Dominator 1gb sticks to push above 1150 on his P5Q deluxe and at least on the bios we were using then (1101 or something along those lines it was) had all kinds of issues where it wouldnt post what so ever at that frequency. Didn't have nearly enough time to properly figure out the necessary skews to get it to post in the short time I had with the board.

[CryptiK]

Thanks mate, I didn't think it was too bad for a P45 either, they can be a bit temperamental when trying to achieve high speed. I actually left all of the clock skews at 'normal' for that run - I was actually able to POST at up to 700 MHz with all skews set to 'normal' too. However I didn't have long enough with the board to really get to know it before I had to RMA it, so when I get my replacement back I will definitely be playing with it more extensively.

[CryptiK]

I just figured out this board in relation to ram overclocking.

This is one of my CellShock PC 8000 CL4 GKX kits on 2.2v real

Everest 649.5 MHz:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1300GKX22v.jpg

SPI 1M 649.6 MHz:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1300GKX22vSPI1M_2.jpg

I reduced the tRD (PL) and got some better bandwidth & lower latency:

Everest @ 651 MHz, tRD 6 @ 2.2v real
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1300GKX22vPL6.jpg

SPI1M @ 651 MHz, tRD 6 @ 2.2v real
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1302GKX22vSPI1MPL6.jpg

[ThugsRook]

CryptiK,

Why da_hell am I going to do that?
You have there a DDR2-1333 CL5 at 444FSB, and you have 9K read and 60ns latency. That is so bad it hurts.

450FSB / DDR2-900 CL4 1:1 will do about the same bandwidth and latency you are doing on your P5Q with insane DDR2-1333 CL5.

Get real, you won't have more then 1-3% boost on any game going from reasonable DDR2 clocks, to insane DDR2-1333 like that.
P45 prefers speed over latency when it comes to gaming, CryptiK has it right.

only SuperPI cares about low latency, games do not. the sweet spot is CL555-15 PL10.

[elsupremo]

Guys, need a little bit of help with my overclock. I have the following stuff:
QX9650 watercooled
2x 2GB Gskill DDR2 800
4870 X2
Auzentech DTS Xplosion

Since I've had this CPU, I've been at 4 Ghz, previously on the DFI P35 board. I'm having trouble getting everything perfectly stable on this board. By trouble, I mean: I can pass IntelBurnTest at maximum stress for 20 tests, and it will pass stable. I can do Orthos on all 4 cores Blend and small fft's for hours, and it will be fine. SuperPi stable. 3d Marks stable. However, sometimes doing random things, like repairing Par2 files and installing a game, or playing a game, for instance, USB's will start disconnecting and reconnecting repeatedly, and before I changed my RAM speed, it would even lock up.

At first, I tried 400 x 10, the settings from my last board. It will pass every stability test, but would still lock up sometimes. Then I tried 450 x 9, and the same thing. With both of those settings, I was trying 1:1 ratio on the RAM, keeping it low, around 800 (400) and 900 (450). However, when it locked up, I changed it to the current setting. I have not had a lock up since, making me think RAM was the issue for the lockups. However, I still have other stability issues: when I'm playing a fairly intensive game like Assassins Creed, sometimes after playing it for awhile, the USB's will start disconnecting and reconnecting (usually it's my fan controller that it disconnects and reconnects, not my mouse/keyboard). Also, sometimes it seems the PCI stuff gets messed up - my sound started losing synch., and being way behind what I was seeing on screen. It seemed possible my graphics got choppier too. It never froze up though.

I'm not sure what's going on and would like some help. I experimented once by giving 1.35v to NB & VTT, but after playing Assassins Creed for an hour or so, the NB heat built up to 66 degrees C, and it started locking up. It did not do the USB disconnecting though, or the weird PCI issues. I went down a lot (to 1.25V for NB & VTT) to avoid the heat issue, but have been working up slowly trying to make the USB & PCI issue go away. At my current setting, 1.31V for NB & VTT, it doesn't get much warmer than 55 degrees, but I'm still having the issue.

I'm using BIOS 0802.


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 450
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: Auto
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto







3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.525
CPU PLL Voltage: Auto (usually goes to 1.69)
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.31
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
North Bridge Voltage: 1.31
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51325
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.11325

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto









CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[BlueAqua]

I just wanted to let you guys know that you can switch the ROG symbol/Led around if you want it to align for an inverted atx setup. Also the red mosfet shields are removable too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/BlueAqua/IMG_2095.jpg

My thermal paste under the stock nb cooler was really poor too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/BlueAqua/IMG_2090.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Guys, need a little bit of help with my overclock. I have the following stuff:
QX9650 watercooled
2x 2GB Gskill DDR2 800
4870 X2
Auzentech DTS Xplosion

Since I've had this CPU, I've been at 4 Ghz, previously on the DFI P35 board. I'm having trouble getting everything perfectly stable on this board. By trouble, I mean: I can pass IntelBurnTest at maximum stress for 20 tests, and it will pass stable. I can do Orthos on all 4 cores Blend and small fft's for hours, and it will be fine. SuperPi stable. 3d Marks stable. However, sometimes doing random things, like repairing Par2 files and installing a game, or playing a game, for instance, USB's will start disconnecting and reconnecting repeatedly, and before I changed my RAM speed, it would even lock up.

At first, I tried 400 x 10, the settings from my last board. It will pass every stability test, but would still lock up sometimes. Then I tried 450 x 9, and the same thing. With both of those settings, I was trying 1:1 ratio on the RAM, keeping it low, around 800 (400) and 900 (450). However, when it locked up, I changed it to the current setting. I have not had a lock up since, making me think RAM was the issue for the lockups. However, I still have other stability issues: when I'm playing a fairly intensive game like Assassins Creed, sometimes after playing it for awhile, the USB's will start disconnecting and reconnecting (usually it's my fan controller that it disconnects and reconnects, not my mouse/keyboard). Also, sometimes it seems the PCI stuff gets messed up - my sound started losing synch., and being way behind what I was seeing on screen. It seemed possible my graphics got choppier too. It never froze up though.

I'm not sure what's going on and would like some help. I experimented once by giving 1.35v to NB & VTT, but after playing Assassins Creed for an hour or so, the NB heat built up to 66 degrees C, and it started locking up. It did not do the USB disconnecting though, or the weird PCI issues. I went down a lot (to 1.25V for NB & VTT) to avoid the heat issue, but have been working up slowly trying to make the USB & PCI issue go away. At my current setting, 1.31V for NB & VTT, it doesn't get much warmer than 55 degrees, but I'm still having the issue.

I'm using BIOS 0802.



Way to much auto settings and way to high vcore and pll imo.
Auto settings are not the way to go on this board if stability is to be achived.
GSkills seem to like clock skew to really stabilize the rig, set them to advanced 300ps it will help alot,
Get trfc ( row refresh cycle time) off auto and set 55-60.

450x9 those GSkills should be able to run

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Your NB temp will also be an issue have you reseated it with AS5 or Ceramique? If not thats the first thing I would do.

My chip plays nice with a positive value for GTL's so you may need to adjust this to the correct value but I would start with this and adjust volts accordingly.

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Advanced 300ps
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Advanced 300ps


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.1
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +20mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[GeorgeVasil]

Some results from me..Still testing..

It seems to be stable for now (link pack& blend)..

85795

the settings..


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1200 MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto (For now)
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate (For now)
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

PL=8 and the First 2 Pull-in Enabled (Still Testing)


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.33
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52X
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.15XX
DRAM Voltage: 2.25
North Bridge Voltage: 1.29
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.53X (I have Raid)
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.13X (I have Raid)

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

CryptiK,

I don't wanna fight about this computer stuff because this is ridiculous...
I am sure you will agree with that too.

Let's start over then, and exchange our infos, and keep this health.

My point is the M2F can clock some ram at very low volts and with good REAL performance.

Check this out, I did't even tweak it. I just booted like this now.
The only bios setting changed were 5-5-5-15, the rest is on auto.

3.6GHz cpu only
450FSB only
DDR2-1080 5-5-5-15 at 1.86v REAL on Maximus II Formula:
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6554/mf2lzt5.jpg

Now, compare that with your P5Q-deluxe DDR2-1333 5-5-5-15 at 2.29v and you will understand my point.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1333228vrealeverestmemsetcpuz.jpg

[ThugsRook]

Check this out, I did't even tweak it. I just booted like this now. The only bios setting changed were 5-5-5-15, the rest is on auto.
it appears you are confusing Everest benchmark with actual performance. Everest benchmark does not represent real performance, especially on a P45 that could care less about Everest.

CL444-12 PL8 means nothing to a gaming rig, matter of fact itll prolly be slower.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

it appears you are confusing Everest benchmark with actual performance. Everest benchmark does not represent real performance, especially on a P45 that could care less about Everest.

CL444-12 PL8 means nothing to a gaming rig, matter of fact itll prolly be slower.

Who said CL4?
I am at CL5, check pic again.

I will say this again, P45 is very limited on memory performance (any brand board). There are some sweet spots and you have to take advantage of it. That is how you do on this chipset. If you want to have the performance expected from a DDR2-1300+ clock, you need to go back to P35 (DFI LP UT) or try some X48. Nvidia chipsets will own any intel chipset when it comes to DDR2 memory performance (mem controler is their especiality), but we know how unstable those chipsets are, so I won't recomend it. That is why I am on a intel too.

On P45 you should focus on the FSB and CPU clocks, and take advantage of the mem sweet spots.

It means absolutely nothing to have a high clocked mem on a P45 with a very poor performance. Not smart at all.

We can play on some 3DMARK too, so you can understand what I am saying too.

[kwalker]

Who said CL4?
I am at CL5, check pic again.

I will say this again, P45 is very limited on memory performance (any brand board). There are some sweet spots and you have to take advantage of it. That is how you do on this chipset. If you want to have the performance expected from a DDR2-1300+ clock, you need to go back to P35 (DFI LP UT) or try some X48. Nvidia chipsets will own any intel chipset when it comes to DDR2 memory performance (mem controler is their especiality), but we know how unstable those chipsets are, so I won't recomend it. That is why I am on a intel too.

On P45 you should focus on the FSB and CPU clocks, and take advantage of the mem sweet spots.

It means absolutely nothing to have a high clocked mem on a P45 with a very poor performance. Not smart at all.

We can play on some 3DMARK too, so you can understand what I am saying too.

It seems to me there are some very impressive memory bandwidth results on the P45 motherboards.
of course this is dependent on quality and maybe a little luck but none the less not too shabby.
your right about raw performance in the overclock arena but remember this is not a restrictive FSB chipset where memory overclocking is the only respective characteristic.(we seem to have the best of both worlds)
One thing I find odd is some modules like to hover at the 1:1 ratio others thrive on the dividers offered
this could be bios related or perhaps the the fact that some modules have restrictive devices implemented such as on die voltage regulation and the fact that termination is moved to the PCB of the module itself.
The tricks shared here show that there are ways around the restrictions and DDR2 is not dead :cool:

[ThugsRook]

Who said CL4?
I am at CL5, check pic again.

I will say this again, P45 is very limited on memory performance (any brand board). There are some sweet spots and you have to take advantage of it. That is how you do on this chipset. If you want to have the performance expected from a DDR2-1300+ clock, you need to go back to P35 (DFI LP UT) or try some X48. Nvidia chipsets will own any intel chipset when it comes to DDR2 memory performance (mem controler is their especiality), but we know how unstable those chipsets are, so I won't recomend it. That is why I am on a intel too.

On P45 you should focus on the FSB and CPU clocks, and take advantage of the mem sweet spots.

It means absolutely nothing to have a high clocked mem on a P45 with a very poor performance. Not smart at all.

We can play on some 3DMARK too, so you can understand what I am saying too.
i was using CL4 as an exagerated example.

the rest of what you just said i agree with ;)

the sweet spot for gamers or just the avg ocing joe is CL555-15 PL10. any fsb, any ratio, thats the sweet spot.

it does like speed tho ~ 1066mhz minimum, there is no "max" as long as youre keeping CL555-15 PL10.

gaming does not care for CL4 or PL below 10, only superpi does. but then again some ppl think superpi IS a game ;)

do not tune your gaming system using Everest as a guide. it can only be used as a reference and it doesnt represent real world performance in any way.

[kwalker]

but then again some ppl think superpi IS a game ;)


It's not :eek:

:rofl::rofl:

[Simps]

Cable_Tie_Guy HoLY cRaP man!
You have DDR2 1080 running at only 1.86v?
What memory is that? I can't even load winodws on those speed / volts.
Nice performance with only 1.86v, very impressed. Nice board!

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

Cable_Tie_Guy HoLY cRaP man!
You have DDR2 1080 running at only 1.86v?
What memory is that? I can't even load winodws on those speed / volts.
Nice performance with only 1.86v, very impressed. Nice board!

Thanks, It's teamX8500.
It was prime stable but not linpack stable at 1.86v...
I am at DDR2-1080 5-5-5-15 PL8 full stable now at 1.89v.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

Looks like Gigabyte made one hell of a P45 board.
User NapalmV5 on the thread below, just achieved 4.9GHz on his Q9650 (3.0GHz) and 545FSB.
That is right, 545FSB on a 45nm QUAD on a Gigabyte P45.

And, as if this isn't enough, he is saying he is on air, with Thermalright IFX-14.
He is using the Gigabyte EP45-DQ6
This is one of those "I NEED TO SEE TO BELIEVE", but who knows...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3312873#post3312873

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1844/4900eo3.jpg

[scooter.jay]

I have this board and it seems to only want to run my axe ram in single channel has anyone else sovled/had this problem as any help would be gratefully recived.:up: Running one stick at the mo but it always boot single channel?

[CryptiK]

Have you tried both ram slots? ie: both blue slots filled, or both white slots filled? It may be a problem with the board itself, or a ram incompatibility issue. Got any other ram you can try in dual channel?

[scooter.jay]

Have you tried both ram slots? ie: both blue slots filled, or both white slots filled? It may be a problem with the board itself, or a ram incompatibility issue. Got any other ram you can try in dual channel?

Yeah done both slots have some ram on order so will test with other sticks when they arrive. Thanks for the reply. The ram i have is TX1200QLJ-2GK Axeram

probably incompatibility issue but i hope not!

[CryptiK]

What bios are you using currently? Have you tried again with the latest 1307 bios? What about using the 1307 mod bios Ket did for me (well, all of us really) it is linked a page ago and replaces the M2F memory table with the P5Q-Premium memory table. Perhaps it's worth a shot.

[scooter.jay]

What bios are you using currently? Have you tried again with the latest 1307 bios? What about using the 1307 mod bios Ket did for me (well, all of us really) it is linked a page ago and replaces the M2F memory table with the P5Q-Premium memory table. Perhaps it's worth a shot.

Using 1307 but will give the modded one a try thanks:) Could you repost link as can not see it. Thanks for all the help:up:

[d3885u]

Hi...guys...I still try to make my FSB fly high with this mobo...my last result is stucking @570 FSB...I can't go further even @575 FSB....Anyone of you where I can't download the modded BIOS version for my Sexy M2F...???
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=422381

[CryptiK]

Using 1307 but will give the modded one a try thanks:) Could you repost link as can not see it. Thanks for all the help:up:

Here you go.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3293149&postcount=358

The P5Q-Premium table may help if it's an incompatibility issue but it may not. Your sticks have micron D9 GMH IC's so they *should* work, but like I said it may even be the board.


Hi...guys...I still try to make my FSB fly high with this mobo...my last result is stucking @570 FSB...I can't go further even @575 FSB....Anyone of you where I can't download the modded BIOS version for my Sexy M2F...???


Link to post with link just above. I also can't get my board over 570 FSB. Not sure what is holding it back at the moment.

[CryptiK]

658.6 MHz done with TG 8500's @ 2.24v

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/ddr1317PL7.jpg

[Darknezz]

Could someone post Bios setting for E8500 around 530fsb and over have some small trouble keeping it stabile..

Thankyou

[Grnfinger]

I'm thinking this board is a huge waste of cash
My X38 Maxmius would kick the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of the bandwidth shown here lately
1300MHz ram and you can pull mid 9's in everest, and sadly a board half in price is beating the ROG line. Asus has really dropped the ball here, they should have spent more on engineering and less on the eye candy.
1175MHz on a X38 with a 8400 broke 10k easy, I'm thinking this board is going to ebay and a Rampage X48 is in order.
Clearly P45 is not the answer

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/stable_4400.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4400_new.png

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

This board is good!
I only have some average ram (teamX8500) but on this board it can fly!
I am doing 10.000 MB/s in everest with DDR2-1166 5-5-5-15 at only 1.98v real on this board!

1.98v real DDR2-1166 5-5-5-15 with Maximus II Formula:
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3618/mf2pnp8.jpg

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

Grnfinger,

You are totally right about the bandwidth problems with P45... Most of it is because of its PL limitations... For sure, a P45 board will have lower numbers on everest then a good x48 or even P35. But this is a P45 chipset issue... not really a MIIF issue. Other P45 boards will show poor numbers on high clocked DDR2 too.

So I just don't agree with you, when you say it is "this" board problem. It is a P45 thingy.

Also, check my results on the last pic. Of course you shouldn't consider the "write / copy" numbers because those will depend much more on the CPU clock, and I am at only 3.4GHz (you are at 4.4GHz). For 1.98v real, that is a good deal.

For some reason, I find that it needs less volts to clock the ram on P45, especially with the Maximus II Formula.

I am trying now 1.99v and DDR2-1200 5-5-5-15 on MIIF. I can load windows on that, but then when I stress the ram, it will crash. Will try 2.01 - 2.02v.

Also, I wouldn't consider much those CryptiK DDR2-1300 at mid 9K and poor latency results. There must be something wrong on that because his numbers are really bad, even for a P45.

[Grnfinger]

Same divider, ram speed close enough not to argue. Your running what PL10?
On my Maximus X38 I'm running PL7, your latency sucks and your wirite and copy are mediocre for that speed. agrred the cpu does play a major roll so comparing my 8400 to your quad FSB is slighly unfair.
Board is nice, runs cool and looks fantastic, but thats where it ends.
Performance wise this board is sub par. It performs like a workstation board not a performance board. 16 phase power or not the board is not worth the money.

CryptiK posted 1300MHz+ and look at the bandwidth, rather poor score for 1300+MHz dont you think?
Excellent job btw CryptiK was not taking away from your achievement was using the score as an example for my argument.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

I am on PL9.
Yes, those DDR2-1300 result are bad, can't argue with that.
I will try a everest run on DDR2-1174 5-5-5-15, witch is exactly what you are running. So we can compare it better ok?

I am sure your x38 will still win, but lets see by how much... Also, if the score is close enough, you could lower your cpu at my speeds and run it again, that would be a perfect compare scenario. I am sure I can't push my 65nm B3 to 4.4GHz on air LOL!

[Grnfinger]

I am on PL9.
Yes, those DDR2-1300 result are bad, can't argue with that.
I will try a everest run on DDR2-1174 5-5-5-15, witch is exactly what you are running. So we can compare it better ok?

I am sure your x38 will still win, but lets see by how much... Also, if the score is close enough, you could lower your cpu at my speeds and run it again, that would be a perfect compare scenario. I am sure I can't push my 65nm B3 to 4.4GHz on air LOL!

Post your score and I'll clock my CPU to your speed on X38 and compare results. This might be interesting.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

Ok.
I don't really know how to tweak mem, so I will only change 5-5-5-15 on bios and that is it. I am not going to change anything beyond that.
Lets add a memset to the screen so the other parameters are visible too ok?

[Zucker2k]

Someone pass me the popcorn, somebody's about to get raped...

[mikeyakame]

With the P45's PL is roughly set 1 higher to the equiv of X48. PL6 on x48 = PL7 on p45, PL7 on x48 = PL8 on P45 and so on. So PL9 is equiv of PL8 on X48. Which is actually kinda slow. PL7 on P45 is blazing fast at 450MHz FSB. I could never get PL6 to post on a P45 board with < 1.3V vNB

[Grnfinger]

Someone pass me the popcorn, somebody's about to get raped...

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/Spit_on_Moniter.jpg

[Zucker2k]

Lol, Cable_Tie_Guy makes it interesting with all the little rules. It's like an old western, a duel; Maximus vs Maximus II.

Mikeyakame and myself are ready to provide moral support, but won't hesitate to jump in the fray if need be. :) should be like letting lions into a pen. Intel Xpress Chipsets FTW

[zlojack]

Hmm... this should be fun.

On the DDR3 front: My board hates my RAM so far and nothing works except AUTO :(

I'm waiting on some G.Skill PI's which supposedly work much better.

[Grnfinger]

I'm not the sheriff being run out of dodge here but I'll post my results using X38 and E8600 in the early morning.
Got some work stuff to do and its getting late if I dont get to it soon I'll be up all night.
On the weekend I'll do a quad comparison as well to see if it make's much of a difference in results.
I will also post some Q6700 runs I have from b4.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

P45 M2F
3.42GHz
489FSB
DDR2-1174 5-5-5-15

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7012/mf2obo5.jpg

[mikeyakame]

Not bad at all mate. Try making these changes in Memset. Refresh Period set to 8K or 16K for those clock frequencies. Should improve latency somewhat. Are they 1 or 2GB dimms, 2 rank, 4 rank or 8 rank? Everest should give you this info.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

mikeyakame,

Thans man! I really don't know about those info but I will try to find them for you.
I am not changing the settings. Now Grnfinger have all the info to clock his x38 on my clocks and them we will be able to tell how much better the x38 is against P45 on the memory thingy.

Grnfinger,

It is all there. Just clock your system (CPU, FSB, MEM, MEM TIMINGS, ETC)respecting the numbers on my pic and then we will have an orange to orange compaison!

Thanks.

[mikeyakame]

mikeyakame,

Thans man! I really don't know about those info but I will try to find them for you.
I am not changing the settings. Now Grnfinger have all the info to clock his x38 on my clocks and them we will be able to tell how much better the x38 is against P45 on the memory thingy.

Grnfinger,

It is all there. Just clock your system (CPU, FSB, MEM, MEM TIMINGS, ETC)respecting the numbers on my pic and then we will have an orange to orange compaison!

Thanks.

Well that Refresh Period is incorrect for that memory frequency. Asus bios don't always adjust it automatically properly or give manual adjustment. Refresh Period is 7.8uS, and tREF == ( tRFC[ns] * rows * banks ) / IO frequency

For 1GB dimms with 256Mbit memory chips, 4 banks , 16K rows and tRFC of 45 and DDR2-1066 which has IO frequency of 533.

tCK = 1000ns (1ms) / 533 (which is the bus clock of 1066) = 1.86ns
tRFC = 45 clocks = tCK * 45 clocks = 83.7ns.

so tREF for this would be:

( 83.7 * 16384 * 4 ) / 533 == 10291 clocks
Optimal Refresh period in clocks = closest value to 10291. Higher is always better.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

Well that Refresh Period is incorrect for that memory frequency. Asus bios don't always adjust it automatically properly or give manual adjustment. Refresh Period is 7.8uS, and tREF == ( tRFC[ns] * rows * banks ) / IO frequency

For 1GB dimms with 256Mbit memory chips, 4 banks , 16K rows and tRFC of 45 and DDR2-1066 which has IO frequency of 533.

tCK = 1000ns (1ms) / 533 (which is the bus clock of 1066) = 1.86ns
tRFC = 45 clocks = tCK * 45 clocks = 83.7ns.

so tREF for this would be:

( 83.7 * 16384 * 4 ) / 533 == 10291 clocks
Optimal Refresh period in clocks = closest value to 10291. Higher is always better.


WTF was that? You better talk some english or I will ask some admin to ban you.

HAeuHAeu! Joking... I don't know about that level of detail.... Basically, you are saying I should change something to improve the numbers, but I really can't figure what it is! LOL!

I am running 2x1GB rams... dual channel. I just changed BIOS to 5-5-5-15. Every other setting is on auto. Loaded windows and benched everest. Then I opened memset to show the full settings (I didn't change anything there) and took the screenshot.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

Ok I got it now, you are saying that I should change Refresh Period from 4K to 8K or 16K for better latency and maybe a little better bandwidth.
Well, now it is like this. Lets wait for Grnfinger benchs..

[FELIX]

Where do you know it: tREF == ( tRFC[ns] * rows * banks ) / IO frequency !??!

[CryptiK]

The Maximus II Formula is not so great, but it is acceptable. Perhaps your average 'gamer' would not even realize it's shortcomings. The fact that I can do better on my P5Q-Deluxe is not a good thing though. P45 is not the platform to be on for efficiency at a given FSB/memory speed. The P35 and X38/48 beat it by a substantial amount from what I have seen. I'm interested to see the results of the head to head X38 vs P45.

This is the best bandwidth & lowest latency the M2F can do at 434 FSB & ram at 651 MHz. The other result with the high 50ns latency was at tRD (PL) 10. If i had 520 FSB+ it would look a lot better, but even at those clocks, the P35/X38 would destroy it.

Everest @ 434 FSB, 651 MHz, tRD (PL) 6

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2FDDR1300GKX22vPL6.jpg

Everest @ 570 FSB, 570 MHz, tRD (PL) 10

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F570FSB.jpg

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

CryptiK,

I don't wanna fight or anything. Don't get me wrong, my english is bad and sometimes I may sound bad, but its not my intention.

There is something very wrong with your results with your Maximus II Formula. Your results are very bad. I don't know much about memory o/c, but I can say for sure, that your result for a DDR2-1300 5-5-5-15 AT PL6 is VERY WRONG!

Maybe you have a bad mobo, or a bad ram, I don't know, but this is not what I see here.
You keep saying this board is bad, but maybe is the other way arround?

Check this out:
2.15v for DDR2-1200 5-5-4-10 PL8 on Maximus II Formula:
PS: Remember "write / copy" speeds are very related to the cpu clock. I am at 3.5GHz only
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2472/mf2qqn8.jpg

[CryptiK]

It's not my ram, I have run those sticks on P35, X38 and P965 boards, and the results were much better. Also when you say the write/copy speed is related to the cpu clock, that is not exactly correct, it is much more related to the cpu FSB, overall clock makes a comparatively small difference.

This is my board @ 500 FSB, 600 MHz ram PL 10, and with the exception of the read bandwidth and latency (lower and higher respectively, due to higher PL of 10) I get a better result than you.

Also my result at 651 MHz is not 'very wrong', it is the result I got and is completely in line with other results from P45 boards. You said yourself you do not know a lot about memory overclocking, so perhaps you should consider stopping the arrogant comments.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F500-1200.jpg

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

You can't say that because it is not true.
Post a 7x500 = 3.5GHz DDR2-1200 and then lets compare oranges to oranges ok? I sure can't bench @ 4GHz with a 65nm B3 on air... or you can just wait for my 45nm to arrive, and they we will see too :)

You are showing 10% more latency @ 4GHz then me on 3.5GHz... your result is WAY worst, we can't even compare.

[CryptiK]

How old are you, 16? You are annoying a few people already on this forum. Stop with the attitude, it does not suit xtremesystems at all; here we are more mature and reserved. I have seen you post WTF this and WTF that, continually capitalize and repeat yourself ("HEAT MONSTER' is a good example and you wrote it numerous times consecutively), and you overuse exclamation marks like they're going out of style. You also arrogantly question people and results in such a way as to be insulting. Please start to conduct yourself in a more appropriate manner, befitting the way we do things here at XS.

Concerning the results, look back one page, at the everest screen I posted of 570 FSB with 10 MHz lower overall cpu clock than the one I just posted above. It has higher read/write/copy bandwidth and has lower latency despite having a lower overall cpu clock, but a 70 MHz higher FSB. That should demonstrate FSB has a greater effect, as I just said above. If you don't want to believe me I couldn't care less, but those two screens prove it.

[hellcamino]

How old are you, 16? You are annoying a few people already on this forum. Stop with the attitude, it does not suit xtremesystems at all; here we are more mature and reserved. I have seen you post WTF this and WTF that, continually capitalize and repeat yourself ("HEAT MONSTER' is a good example and you wrote it numerous times consecutively), and you overuse exclamation marks like they're going out of style. You also arrogantly question people and results in such a way as to be insulting. Please start to conduct yourself in a more appropriate manner, befitting the way we do things here at XS.

Concerning the results, look back one page, at the everest screen I posted of 570 FSB with 10 MHz lower overall cpu clock than the one I just posted above. It has higher read/write/copy bandwidth and has lower latency despite having a lower overall cpu clock, but a 70 MHz higher FSB. That should demonstrate FSB has a greater effect, as I just said above. If you don't want to believe me I couldn't care less, but those two screens prove it.

Well said, I am one of the annoyed you refer to although I've said nothing prior. The insulting attitude towards other members results that are proven as well as such things can be just flat pisses me off!

[turtletrax]

Well said, I am one of the annoyed you refer to although I've said nothing prior. The insulting attitude towards other members results that are proven as well as such things can be just flat pisses me off!

Quoting the quote for truth. Try this attidude in a DFI thread and see how that flies over.

I read this tread allot for when I really get into OCing my board and your constant thread agitation is making it hard to read.

That said, thanks allot for your contribution Cryptik. A great resource and future XIP in my eyes. Good on ya :clap:

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

If I am 16? Oh well, I am 17... Maybe that is the difference, I don't get pissed when someone gets to me and say "your result is bad". You are acting like I have called you a son of a ..... witch a didn't. I just said your result is bad, and that is my opinion.

You don't like me? Fine man, let's not talk to each other, I have no problem with that. I will not address one more message to you after this one, even if you address one to me. You guys are here trying to become a XIP member? LOL, go ahead, I am 17 and I find that a waste, but if you 20+ years old guys like it, go for it them...

And I just reached 11K everest and 47 latency with a 515FSB 65nm quad on this board.

Now, for the contribution of the thread (not for you, since I don't post for you anymore) I will slowlly show it :)

First this one:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7702/mf2rov3.jpg

[turtletrax]

If I am 16? Oh well, I am 17... Maybe that is the difference, I don't get pissed when someone gets to me and say "your result is bad". You are acting like I have called you a son of a ..... witch a didn't. I just said your result is bad, and that is my opinion.

You don't like me? Fine man, let's not talk to each other, I have no problem with that. I will not address one more message to you after this one, even if you address one to me. You guys are here trying to become a XIP member? LOL, go ahead, I am 17 and I find that a waste, but if you 20+ years old guys like it, go for it them...

And I just reached 11K everest and 47 latency with a 515FSB 65nm quad on this board.

Now, for the contribution of the thread (not for you, since I don't post for you anymore) I will slowlly show it :)

First this one:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7702/mf2rov3.jpg


You are so short sighted it is amazing... even for 17. XIP is an extreme honor and even if you got 1000000 K you would never get it with your attidude.

I have never looked to see if this board had an ignore function, but now I am and I hope I am not dissapointed.

I am just disgusted...

EDIT: for those wondering if the ignore function is there, you are in luck... IGNORED.

[Cable_Tie_Guy]

OMG man, how nerdy is that?
Ok, I am off this board. I don't wanna post with this kinda people. Looks like this guys don't have a life. You call their overclocks bad and they start to cry. This is insane. You guys need help, not me. I am 17 and I feel very sorry for you people with 20+ living this life.
The guy is saying that there is honor in getting a XIP. On his head this is a hell of an achievement. LOL Man, you are in trouble.

Admin, you can ban this acc. I don't wanna post on this forums again. I think this way, I can do you guys a favor, and do me a favor too.

Sorry but life is so much more then this, that I just really don't care. Maybe you won't understand this, because having a forum acc and virtual buddys is soooo important on your life. I don't care, I really did nothing, I just said that guy everest benchs were way low for the clocks. And the guy freaked out. LOL, I am out.

Ban the acc. Don't care.
Cya guys.

[mikeyakame]

Where do you know it: tREF == ( tRFC[ns] * rows * banks ) / IO frequency !??!

Hmm I must have been half asleep calculating that or got confused, which I still do more often than not. Mem timings are pretty complex even when you have your head around them well, especially first thing in the morning.

tREF == tREFI[ns] / tCK[ns]

If DDR2 frequency is 1200MHz, then minimum tREF period is (7.8[us] * 1000 )[ns] / ( 1000ns / (1200 / 2) ), which is 4680T.

Average Self-Refresh period may actually need to be longer to complete, so if an increase in tREF refresh period improves memory latency the previous value was too late. If there is no change, then the current period length is fine.

The value I worked out from my calculations was actually semi-valid so I didn't bother to check the proper docs for the right formula!

[mikeyakame]

OMG man, how nerdy is that?
Ok, I am off this board. I don't wanna post with this kinda people. Looks like this guys don't have a life. You call their overclocks bad and they start to cry. This is insane. You guys need help, not me. I am 17 and I feel very sorry for you people with 20+ living this life.
The guy is saying that there is honor in getting a XIP. On his head this is a hell of an achievement. LOL Man, you are in trouble.

Admin, you can ban this acc. I don't wanna post on this forums again. I think this way, I can do you guys a favor, and do me a favor too.

Sorry but life is so much more then this, that I just really don't care. Maybe you won't understand this, because having a forum acc and virtual buddys is soooo important on your life. I don't care, I really did nothing, I just said that guy everest benchs were way low for the clocks. And the guy freaked out. LOL, I am out.

Ban the acc. Don't care.
Cya guys.

Guess some people have yet to see things for what they are and realize the world goes on with or without them. Age was immaterial until he mentioned it, and turned everything into me me me.

Forums were around from the start for people to share interests and knowledge, and communicate..at least that's what it has always been to me...did I miss something and did everything change without me knowing? When did people start coming on forums to build up egos and have online arguments about who matters more. It seems like a lot of people need to get out and check the world out. I know if my life was about impressing people on the interweb that I can't in real life I would probably hate the world too. At the end of the day all the self-appreciation people have gotten used to getting from those who are genuinely being helpful and nice, will result in 99% needy tools and 1% knowledgable people.

I don't look forward to that day but it appears it's getting closer every year. ;<

[hellcamino]

You really don't get it do you Cable tie guy ? Every thread I've seen you post in you end up insulting someone, acting like an insufferable knowitall or just ...Trolling. Most people are either here to learn something, help someone or a combination of the two. On the other hand here you are telling people with obviously legit screen shots and claims (Napalm) that they are full of it, I'm sorry but it seems that you have yet to learn manners or respect let alone the ability to use Google to see if someone's claims are repeated by others.

[turtletrax]

Yay!!!

[mikeyakame]

The thing I can't get is I was using the net when I was 13 or 14 which was back in the mid 90s and I never had this little respect towards people who lent a hand or knowledge to me. I blame all kinds of groups, but mostly parents for not taking enough interest and disciplinary action with their kids!

[turtletrax]

When I was his age if you acted like that you got your ass beat. Either by parents or older kids. Not the case anymore.

A shame. We are all going to have a hard row if this continues...

But, on the bright side, one less moron is always a step in the right direction. My favorite part was it was easy.

[mikeyakame]

If only we lost more than we gain we'd still be on top! FOr every one that gets banned or leaves, another 2 are waiting to replace them!

Edit:

Shall we resume the nerdy discussions we were having! :D

[turtletrax]

If only we lost more than we gain we'd still be on top! FOr every one that gets banned or leaves, another 2 are waiting to replace them!

Edit:

Shall we resume the nerdy discussions we were having! B-)


Amen :rofl:

[mikeyakame]

By the looks of the current bios maturity with memory modules I think I should find an excuse to get my mate to bring his P5Q Deluxe around to see what kind of mem clocks and timings I can get it to run :D Looks promising and that'll keep me busy for at least half a day or more!

[hellcamino]

I need to dig around and see what if I saved any of my screen shots from my P5Q Deluxe.

No such luck..they are gone :(

[CryptiK]

Quoting the quote for truth. Try this attidude in a DFI thread and see how that flies over.

I read this tread allot for when I really get into OCing my board and your constant thread agitation is making it hard to read.

That said, thanks allot for your contribution Cryptik. A great resource and future XIP in my eyes. Good on ya :clap:

Thanks for the support guys, and thank you very much for the kind words turtletrax, I really appreciate it.


If only we lost more than we gain we'd still be on top! FOr every one that gets banned or leaves, another 2 are waiting to replace them!

Edit:

Shall we resume the nerdy discussions we were having! :D

Yes, let's continue, fabulous idea :up:


By the looks of the current bios maturity with memory modules I think I should find an excuse to get my mate to bring his P5Q Deluxe around to see what kind of mem clocks and timings I can get it to run :D Looks promising and that'll keep me busy for at least half a day or more!

There is a new bios (1403) for the P5Q-Deluxe given to a user called Truehighroller by Asus in an attempt to fix an issue he was experiencing with his Q9450, and it is supposed to be better than 1402 (which is still beta released by user pmp) giving gains in FSB and ram speed. I still don't have my deluxe back from RMA but so I can't personally attest to it, but even on 1201, I hit 666 MHz on the ram and 590 FSB on air so any of the later bioses should serve you well.

BIOS 1403 for P5Q-Deluxe: http://rapidshare.com/files/147433909/P5Q-ASUS-DELUXE-1403.rar.html

Ket's mod bios 1403 for P5Q-Deluxe: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SCFMODTY

EDIT - slight bandwidth improvement. Still nowhere near a P35/X38/X48, but better nonetheless. No tweaking of timings or PL just straight boot/bench.

500 FSB, 625 MHz
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F-500FSB-625MHz-22vdimm139vNBPL8.jpg

530 FSB, 635.7 MHz
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F-530FSB-6357MHz-22vdimm139vNBPL8.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Here is some old 65nm quad runs

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/3800final.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/40-2.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/40-1.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/1200.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/pl6.png

45nm C2D
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4500_keep.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4250_1200_3.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST4_505.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST3_500.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST2_498.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST1_495.png

Will post more when I get home from work and will match cable tie guys settings for a comparison.
CryptiK maybe you could run some tests with your MIIF and E8400 that would be a great head to head

[CryptiK]

Nice results, P35 is a great efficiency platform, and sure I'd be happy to run some benches.

Heres a 500 FSB, 500 MHz 4-4-4-4 run on my Deluxe. Seems like P45 has lower read, higher write, and higher latency that P35.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/DDR10004-4-4-4.jpg

[CryptiK]

Here we go, didn't have time to run them all so I did three, 450 FSB, 500 FSB & 505 FSB. There was definitely a difference between the two, the X38 has higher read bandwidth and lower latency, but P45 has higher write and copy bandwidth.

450 FSB, 600 MHz
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F450FSB-Ram600.jpg

500 FSB, 600 MHz
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F500FSB-Ram600.jpg

505 FSB, 606 MHz
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F505FSB-Ram606.jpg

P45 vs X38 Comparison Table
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/P45vsX38ComparisonTable.jpg

[Zucker2k]

You guys do realize the particular rams you're using does make a difference right? I think, Grnfinger, since you have both boards, YOUR tests should be closer to the truth since you can use the same rams for both tests. I think you've actually done that already right?

[CryptiK]

The subtimings would have an effect for sure (the ram used can affect this due to the SPD timings of each set of ram). I did do some comparisons changing subtimings using memset and I only found a difference of +/- 100 MB/s changing everything I could in memset.

The results show a rough comparison, but you are correct in saying it would be best to set everything the same on the 2 boards, and to be certain, use the same ram for the tests.

[d3885u]

Is there anyone of you could explain the function of vtt for dram and nb...???
Truely I'm little confused to set the gtlref menu in BIOS coz it's different with the other mainboard as usually I handle before...
Cryptik could you help me please how to "translate' and making the calculation for the gtlref for nb is the main important I think...???
thanks for your help and for the link of new BIOS from Ket...
And I had a little problem to make my rig going stable with FSB 500-550...
I could found stable setting at 533FSB/1066RAM...but not at the other FSB setting...
What is the best strap for this motherboard?

[d3885u]

Oh yeah Cryptik...Almost forgot...I just want to ask you...Is there any improvement with the modded BIOS from Ket?

[Grnfinger]

You guys do realize the particular rams you're using does make a difference right? I think, Grnfinger, since you have both boards, YOUR tests should be closer to the truth since you can use the same rams for both tests. I think you've actually done that already right?

I have 3 kits of ram Mushkin, GSkill and Dominators, I will test them all, swamped with work but I will make sure it gets done by tomorrow or maybe tonight if I can find the time.

Dont want to swap cpu's if I dont have to but I might just so we can get an accurate test. I would hate for some stickler to say, but the PSU, chip or ram was a factor so the comparison is inacurate. I also have a nice package today Rampage Formula X48:up:. So things might get really interesting.

[CryptiK]

Is there anyone of you could explain the function of vtt for dram and nb...???
Truely I'm little confused to set the gtlref menu in BIOS coz it's different with the other mainboard as usually I handle before...
Cryptik could you help me please how to "translate' and making the calculation for the gtlref for nb is the main important I think...???
thanks for your help and for the link of new BIOS from Ket...
And I had a little problem to make my rig going stable with FSB 500-550...
I could found stable setting at 533FSB/1066RAM...but not at the other FSB setting...
What is the best strap for this motherboard?

Vtt is not controllable through bios it is 0.5x Vdimm. DDR Ref Channel A/B and NB DDR ref voltages are controllable, but I'm not sure what purpose they have at the moment, I'm researching it. I have mine on auto at the moment.

I also have left GTL for NB on auto (0.64x Vtt) and I have found changing it up or down didn't help me overclock higher (my board wont go above 570 FSB) however it may allow slightly less vNB to be used for 'normal' clocks - I'm yet to establish this.

I can be stable at 534 FSB, above that starts getting shaky, not sure why at the moment. I think these boards need more vNB than other P45 boards to get 530+ FSB stable, but other factors may also be playing a role.

I like the 266 strap, it's efficient (as a P45 can be) but 333 is also good. Whatever works for your FSB and desired ram clock I guess.


Oh yeah Cryptik...Almost forgot...I just want to ask you...Is there any improvement with the modded BIOS from Ket?

Yes there was an improvement, I could clock ram higher, but at that stage I didn't know how to clock ram high on this board. I changed back to Asus 1307 and have been on that since as I can get the ram over 650 MHz using it (now I know how to), but soon I will be using Ket's again and will do some testing.

[d3885u]

Thx a lot cryptik for your explaination to me...hope it may help me a lot to "conquer" this motherboard...
I could make this motherboard stable at 550FSB but it just for CPU stressing but not for RAM...
maybe..our problem right now is on the NB setting...I also can't find the exact calculation for NB at this motherboard...
Hoping soon Asus could fix the BIOS for us...I still believe this motherboard will be the king of Intel P45 chipset...

[CryptiK]

Yes the MCH (NB) seems to be a little weak, it needs more voltage than the MCH on my P5Q-Deluxe did for the same FSB, ram speed and PL.

Oh btw the calculation for NB GTL Ref is the same as for the cpu GTL Ref. Standard (auto) is 0.64x Vtt + 0mv (Vtt is what you set for vFSB, vFSB and Vtt are the same thing), so if you are using 1.20v vFSB, and have NB GTL Ref set to auto (+ 0mv) it is
so 0.64 x 1.20v = 0.768v.
To make the voltage what a 0.67x multiplier would give you, it is
0.67 x 1.2v = 0.804v
0.804 - 0.768v = 0.036v
0.036v = 36mv
so select +40mv as it is the closest to 36mv in the bios.

Just substitute what you are using for vFSB for 1.20v I used in the above equation to work it out for you. If you have trouble, just tell me what your vFSB is and I'll work it out for you :up:

[Utnorris]

Anyone running this board with either a QX9650 or Q9650 that has gotten to 500FSB or 450x10? I am thinking about replacing my Blitz with this board, but if I am not going to get anything higher than my 4Ghz then I will just wait or try a different board. I did a search for these two chips and did not see anything higher than 4Ghz with this board.

Thanks,

Utnorris

[d3885u]

Okay Cryptik I'll try that first...
Thank you anyway...

[The Nemesis]

Anyone running this board with either a QX9650 or Q9650 that has gotten to 500FSB or 450x10? I am thinking about replacing my Blitz with this board, but if I am not going to get anything higher than my 4Ghz then I will just wait or try a different board. I did a search for these two chips and did not see anything higher than 4Ghz with this board.

Thanks,

Utnorris

QX9650 was tried but 500FSB was not possible. It topped out @498 bootable from bios with both a Q9450 & QX9650. 495FSB was benchmark stable but 475FSB has proven prime stable for me. This is not the board to pair with a QX9650. The unlocked multiplier deserves a fast performing chipset i.e. x38 or x48. This board however is a perfect match for Q9X50's as it can reach 475+ FSB stable so you should be able to hit 4GHz stable with a Q9550 or greater. Performance wise though, its no match for the other chipsets.

[CryptiK]

The P45 does require some aggressive FSB speeds and lowest possible bootable PL to get decent performance. If you have a CPU that can run 550 x 7.5 (4125) stable you could pull some nice 3D bench scores. My CPU will do it on ~1.344v, but I'd have to give it ~1.36 - 1.38v for total stability in 3D, which is more voltage than I'm comfortable with. Someone with an E0 8400/8500 could do it no problem. A CPU that could do 550 x 8 and some nice D9's would be some real fun on this board :D

Everest @ 550 FSB, 660 MHz CL 5. Not bad bandwidth and latency for a P45 :D
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/550FSB660MHz_1.jpg

Max ram clock so far - 665.8 MHz (TeamXtreem 8500's at 2.3v real)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/6658MHz_23vscreen.jpg

[ATLNY]

ok
I will try that as soon as I got my board back
I RMA it today due to the NB temp too high
I got the temp down to 55 C(idle) from 79 C
this is not a cheap board and I should be happy with it
I can't wait to try those setting

thanks

I just got my board back from new egg

it seems that Asus is moding these board due to the NB temp too high
they have put two thick paper washers under the NB heatsink
and gave it a thick layer of coating (pc101) spray
the result is a much lower NB temp Idle 39, load 51

I will try to hit 4.0 now
I wil let you know

[Utnorris]

QX9650 was tried but 500FSB was not possible. It topped out @498 bootable from bios with both a Q9450 & QX9650. 495FSB was benchmark stable but 475FSB has proven prime stable for me. This is not the board to pair with a QX9650. The unlocked multiplier deserves a fast performing chipset i.e. x38 or x48. This board however is a perfect match for Q9X50's as it can reach 475+ FSB stable so you should be able to hit 4GHz stable with a Q9550 or greater. Performance wise though, its no match for the other chipsets.

Any suggestions? P5E Deluxe maybe?

[Grnfinger]

Anyone running this board with either a QX9650 or Q9650 that has gotten to 500FSB or 450x10? I am thinking about replacing my Blitz with this board, but if I am not going to get anything higher than my 4Ghz then I will just wait or try a different board. I did a search for these two chips and did not see anything higher than 4Ghz with this board.

Thanks,

Utnorris

I personally would grab a X48 board I have seen alot higher clocks with that board than the MIIF.
It is far superior than this platform. Zucker2K has shown some impressive clocks using the board.
If your looking for alot of bling and mediocre performance than P45 is your answer, otherwise I would look at Rampage X48
I have one here I was going to test to prove my therory but sadly it arrived DOA so it will have to wait alittle longer

[ThugsRook]

I personally would grab a X48 board I have seen alot higher clocks with that board than the MIIF.

I would look at Rampage X48. I have one here I was going to test to prove my therory but sadly it arrived DOA so it will have to wait alittle longer
thats exactly along the same lines that ive been thinking, however id really like to get away from Asus.

[turtletrax]

thats exactly along the same lines that ive been thinking, however id really like to get away from Asus.


I sadly agree. Everytime I go to asus I have high hopes that get trashed. I guess I can not really complain. I have my E8400 @ 4.5Ghz stable, but it is knowing that you are not getting max performance that bugs me.

[Leeghoofd]

Well that's your fault then for picking a P45 based mobo... not Asus' fault... why would someone expect a chipset that retails lower than X48, be superior to the Intel flagship chipset... I get far better clocks with P45 then I did with P35 or X38... never got 500FSB there out of a quad...nor 600FSB with a duallie with an out of the box mobo and respectable voltages...

X38 and 48 are better ram performers clock for clock, but do you notice that in daily usage : nope... for benching : yes

[ThugsRook]

Well that's your fault then for picking a P45 based mobo... not Asus' fault.
P45 is not Asus' fault. half baked motherboards and lame bios updates are.

Ket is doing more for these boards by himself then Asus has since their release. that should tell you something right there.

maybe Asus should release more versions of the P45, they dont have enough yet ;)

[Grnfinger]

Well that's your fault then for picking a P45 based mobo... not Asus' fault... why would someone expect a chipset that retails lower than X48, be superior to the Intel flagship chipset... I get far better clocks with P45 then I did with P35 or X38... never got 500FSB there out of a quad...nor 600FSB with a duallie with an out of the box mobo and respectable voltages...

X38 and 48 are better ram performers clock for clock, but do you notice that in daily usage : nope... for benching : yes

I'm running both platforms currently, can I notice / feel a difference.....HELL YES.
There is a huge difference in feel, loading times and overall performance.
I dont need a benchmark to show me this.
I am somewhat happy with my purchase I got exactly what I wanted a 4.0GHz quad core 24/7 machine. What I am not happy with is a board in half the price out performing the ROG line, why did I pay 300 bucks for my board when a sub 200 board would probably perform on par? I dont think the pretty red heatsink are worth 150 bucks:rofl:

[Leeghoofd]

I have respect for Ket's work but on my boards they do almost nothing... I get just a tad better ram performance but really nothing earthshattering at all. Better clocks not here... ( I have 2 Dlx and 2 E boards...5 45Nm CPU's to work with) But imagine Ket having to do this for all P45 builds of Asus... will be a lot slower then...Asus is not like DFI or other brands, they put out a lot of mobo's , maybe too much but they want to sell as much as possible... Secondly Ket works with the code the engineers put in the bios, he just makes a nice mix out of it... (simplistically put, he's a very bright guy no doubt) and really you don't seem to be aware how many bios updates ( alphas and betas some of us have gone through on these boards to make them work better... Even DFI boards that come to the market months later then the competition still need updates to ensure compatability...

Some people never seem to be aware how much different hardware there is around and that Ocing is still not guarantueed... because ya neighbour can do it, doesn't mean you ca do it with exactly the same hardware... is it purely the mobo ? is it the bios ? is it the modded bios ? you tell me...

I didn't noticed anything different coming from P35 or X38 in daily usage... maybe I swap hardware to often (harddrives and co) but this board is way more stable then my Formula SE ever was... in benches I could feel the differences... daily sorry nope... I just love new toys but comign from a rock stable and good performing P35 (with one Gfx card) X38, X48 and P45 are not really a worthwhile step up for normal clocks (400-500FSB range, depending on CPU)

For the difference between the Dlx and the MFII think the PCB layout is pretty the same, you just pay extra for all the gimmicks and a few tweaks in the bios... between the E and Dlx boards there's a whole lot more clocking potential in the Dlx...

[Utnorris]

Ok,
Just curious at what sub $200 board you are referring to that is an x48. I looked, but the closest I could find was ECS, which I wouldn't consider, or the P5E Deluxe at $220. Maybe I am just misunderstanding what you are saying, please explain a little more.
Thank you,

Utnorris

[Nunzi]

I got exactly what I wanted a 4.0GHz quad core 24/7 machine Love it

[Grnfinger]

I have respect for Ket's work but on my boards they do almost nothing... I get just a tad better ram performance but really nothing earthshattering at all. Better clocks not here... ( I have 2 Dlx and 2 E boards...5 45Nm CPU's to work with) But imagine Ket having to do this for all P45 builds of Asus... will be a lot slower then...Asus is not like DFI or other brands, they put out a lot of mobo's , maybe too much but they want to sell as much as possible... Secondly Ket works with the code the engineers put in the bios, he just makes a nice mix out of it... (simplistically put, he's a very bright guy no doubt) and really you don't seem to be aware how many bios updates ( alphas and betas some of us have gone through on these boards to make them work better... Even DFI boards that come to the market months later then the competition still need updates to ensure compatability...

Some people never seem to be aware how much different hardware there is around and that Ocing is still not guarantueed... because ya neighbour can do it, doesn't mean you ca do it with exactly the same hardware... is it purely the mobo ? is it the bios ? is it the modded bios ? you tell me...

I didn't noticed anything different coming from P35 or X38 in daily usage... maybe I swap hardware to often (harddrives and co) but this board is way more stable then my Formula SE ever was... in benches I could feel the differences... daily sorry nope... I just love new toys but comign from a rock stable and good performing P35 (with one Gfx card) X38, X48 and P45 are not really a worthwhile step up for normal clocks (400-500FSB range, depending on CPU)

For the difference between the Dlx and the MFII think the PCB layout is pretty the same, you just pay extra for all the gimmicks and a few tweaks in the bios... between the E and Dlx boards there's a whole lot more clocking potential in the Dlx...

I agree with you on Kets bios mods, stellar work but it does nothing for my setup. I was hoping for better bandwidth but it did not happen

[radaja]

could someone please help me w/ overclock. i cant seem to get anything over 9x430 w/ my new e8400eo.i got this a week ago maximusII /E8400eo/g.skill pc-8800 pi 2x2g/true 120/radeon3650/wd320g /antec550w. for the life of me i cant get any kind of decent clocks. at this point i would be happy with 9x450 4050/mem@1081. please please some help

[Grnfinger]

could someone please help me w/ overclock. i cant seem to get anything over 9x430 w/ my new e8400eo.i got this a week ago maximusII /E8400eo/g.skill pc-8800 pi 2x2g/true 120/radeon3650/wd320g /antec550w. for the life of me i cant get any kind of decent clocks. at this point i would be happy with 9x450 4050/mem@1081. please please some help

post your current bios setup thats stable and suggestions can be made from there

[radaja]

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq87/radajarocs/Cap2.jpg

[radaja]

as you can see this is not stable, if i have it 430x9 stable. update i think i found a sweet spot i changed the Vcore to 1.385 in bios and prime going on 20 minutes now . i think when i went from the p5q -d to this iwas trying cpuvtt@1.26 today when i tried 1.16 it seems to have done the trickhttp://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq87/radajarocs/Cap3.jpg

[The Nemesis]

Any suggestions? P5E Deluxe maybe?

If your just trying to save $70 then the P5E is fine. I personally would grab the Rampage. It's one of the fastest performing boards available and plays nice with 45nm Quads. Since we live in the same metroplex area however, you could run to Fry's. The now carry the full line of Asus P45 chipset motherboards. You could try one out and if not satisfied with the memory performance return it. The Maximus II is only $269.99 so with tax it would only cost about $10 more than ordering from the egg. I've been thinking about the P5Q Deluxe to refit my workstation. It is far time to retire my P5W DH and E6600 collection. On the other hand, with I7 so close is it really worth it to invest any further on this architecture?

[Utnorris]

If your just trying to save $70 then the P5E is fine. I personally would grab the Rampage. It's one of the fastest performing boards available and plays nice with 45nm Quads. Since we live in the same metroplex area however, you could run to Fry's. The now carry the full line of Asus P45 chipset motherboards. You could try one out and if not satisfied with the memory performance return it. The Maximus II is only $269.99 so with tax it would only cost about $10 more than ordering from the egg. I've been thinking about the P5Q Deluxe to refit my workstation. It is far time to retire my P5W DH and E6600 collection. On the other hand, with I7 so close is it really worth it to invest any further on this architecture?

It's funny you mention the Maximus II at Frys. I was just there and noticed they had one on hand. I went by Microcenter and they have the Maximus Formula still, clearanced out and only at, get this, ONLY $339.99. Someone is smoking some serious crack over there. Anyway, I was thinking about the Rampage, it would be an easy swap out with my Blitz.

Thanks,
Utnorris

[The Nemesis]

It's funny you mention the Maximus II at Frys. I was just there and noticed they had one on hand. I went by Microcenter and they have the Maximus Formula still, clearance out and only at, get this, ONLY $339.99. Someone is smoking some serious crack over there. Anyway, I was thinking about the Rampage, it would be an easy swap out with my Blitz.

Thanks,
Utnorris

The Arlington store was loaded with P5Q Deluxes Maximus II & other P5Q boards. Microcenter is weird with their pricing although I picked up the Biostar TPower I45 from there for $169.99 & 20 MIR. I also grabbed the Apogee GTZ from there too. I got lucky with my Maximus formula it was $142 open box clearance @ Fry's.

[ATLNY]

This is an adapted version of my setting for 4GHz with an 8400 for you to try.



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-892 MHz (ie: 1:1 ratio)
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Dram Read Training : disabled
MEM OC Charger : disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level: 10 (lowest you can set is 10 on 1:1 ratio)

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.3500v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325v
FSBT : 1.2v
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.32v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled


Let me know how it goes. You should also know, not all e8400's do 4GHz on less than 1.45v, so vcore may be your issue.

I got it to 4.0 GHz
Vcore volts is 3.6v
it seems stable so far
I can't push it too far yet because my Thermaltake TMG i1 is not up for the challenge
I am about to order the Swiftech H20-220-APEX to keep my temp down
thanks alot for your help
I thought it was my memory but you were right it was my Vcore
I will use the money I save to buy the water cooler

[mikeyakame]

I have respect for Ket's work but on my boards they do almost nothing... I get just a tad better ram performance but really nothing earthshattering at all. Better clocks not here... ( I have 2 Dlx and 2 E boards...5 45Nm CPU's to work with) But imagine Ket having to do this for all P45 builds of Asus... will be a lot slower then...Asus is not like DFI or other brands, they put out a lot of mobo's , maybe too much but they want to sell as much as possible... Secondly Ket works with the code the engineers put in the bios, he just makes a nice mix out of it... (simplistically put, he's a very bright guy no doubt) and really you don't seem to be aware how many bios updates ( alphas and betas some of us have gone through on these boards to make them work better... Even DFI boards that come to the market months later then the competition still need updates to ensure compatability...

Some people never seem to be aware how much different hardware there is around and that Ocing is still not guarantueed... because ya neighbour can do it, doesn't mean you ca do it with exactly the same hardware... is it purely the mobo ? is it the bios ? is it the modded bios ? you tell me...

I didn't noticed anything different coming from P35 or X38 in daily usage... maybe I swap hardware to often (harddrives and co) but this board is way more stable then my Formula SE ever was... in benches I could feel the differences... daily sorry nope... I just love new toys but comign from a rock stable and good performing P35 (with one Gfx card) X38, X48 and P45 are not really a worthwhile step up for normal clocks (400-500FSB range, depending on CPU)

For the difference between the Dlx and the MFII think the PCB layout is pretty the same, you just pay extra for all the gimmicks and a few tweaks in the bios... between the E and Dlx boards there's a whole lot more clocking potential in the Dlx...

Without full access to bios code and Intel's super secret register documentations they keep us back with I suppose his effort is quite applaudable. Most of the problems with the P45 chipset all come back to the core bios code written by Intel. It was a chipset that was never designed in the first place to do most of the things it is semi-capable of doing now. It's a mainstream chipset aimed at a mainstream market that at present is performing at times on par if not better than the high end X48 chipset which was designed from ground to do what it does. P45 was only ever designed to support a maximum of 1333MHz DDR2/3 and what more it does is cause of Intel's superior knowledge of optimized asm and no doubt impossible feats to make the impossible possible.

Heavy pressure from OE mobo manufactuers for this chipset to work outside it's original design specs has probably resulted in very specific optimized asm routines which I believe are the reason that this is no doubt has become the most impressive generally incompatible and unpredictable chipset in Intel's history. It either works fantastically with certain hardware or fails miserably with others. It's always going to be the case of hit or miss to balance performance Intel pulled out of thin air with wide market component compatibility. Where as chipsets like the X48 since they aim at the smaller high end market don't have to maintain such a broad spectrum of compatibilities since most high end users stick to pretty specific high end hardware which more times than not operate much closer to a common set of specs than mainstream equivalents do. High end memory ic's are limited to only 2 or 3 different memory manufacturers, namely PSC, Samsung and Micron at present.

[CryptiK]

@ ATLNY - Good to hear. What vcore did it require? (I sure hope not 3.6v :p:)

[Utnorris]

The Arlington store was loaded with P5Q Deluxes Maximus II & other P5Q boards. Microcenter is weird with their pricing although I picked up the Biostar TPower I45 from there for $169.99 & 20 MIR. I also grabbed the Apogee GTZ from there too. I got lucky with my Maximus formula it was $142 open box clearance @ Fry's.

Yeah I got a Maximus Formula from Microcenter for $190 OB, but I couldn't get it to recognize two sticks of ram for the life of me, so I returned it. Shame, cause now I wish I had just RMA'd it and gotten a new one from Asus. :(

Utnorris

[ATLNY]

@ ATLNY - Good to hear. What vcore did it require? (I sure hope not 3.6v :p:)

sorry about that

1.36v

I set 1.36 in the bios

but it show 1.34 in windows

[CryptiK]

sorry about that

1.36v

I set 1.36 in the bios

but it show 1.34 in windows

Thats better, and looks to be a nice CPU. Now you're there, you can start some tweaking of the memory & PL etc and having some real fun.

[Darknezz]

Well i got my board running at 530fsb 24/7 runs great..

[GeorgeVasil]

Well i got my board running at 530fsb 24/7 runs great..

Please Post Your vNB ..vFSB..

I am trying for 8*525.:p:

[elsupremo]

Ty Grnfinger. I really appreciate your time. I would not have touched 90% of those settings you had me change, as I'm a beginning-level overclocker.

Starting with the settings you gave me, I could not boot into Windows - it would reboot while loading Windows. I am not sure what the relationship is between vcore, PLL, and the GTL volts, so I basically was working a bit blind. I kept the GTL settings you gave me, since I didn't know what else to do with them, and just kept increasing vcore and PLL. I'm having trouble finding a way to boot into Windows and pass a 5 run IntelBurnTest without having high Vcore and PLL. Can you share some strategy about how what to do here, other than just boosting vcore to the stars?


Way to much auto settings and way to high vcore and pll imo.
Auto settings are not the way to go on this board if stability is to be achived.
GSkills seem to like clock skew to really stabilize the rig, set them to advanced 300ps it will help alot,
Get trfc ( row refresh cycle time) off auto and set 55-60.

450x9 those GSkills should be able to run

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Your NB temp will also be an issue have you reseated it with AS5 or Ceramique? If not thats the first thing I would do.

My chip plays nice with a positive value for GTL's so you may need to adjust this to the correct value but I would start with this and adjust volts accordingly.

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Advanced 300ps
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Advanced 300ps


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.1
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +20mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[radaja]

tis is as high as i can get ithttp://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq87/radajarocs/Capture2-1.jpg

[CryptiK]

That's quite respectable. Being an E0 I would have expected more out of it, any chance it's your ram holding you back? What are your ram settings?

[radaja]

5-5-5-15- 55 pl8, 1.91v . im new to this but i my voltages on this board are very sensitive i had to lower my vfsb 1.14 just to get stable.when i try any of the basic settings people post here w/ similar setup bsod. i took me a while to figureout my board take alot less volts all around.yea ithought by getting an eo processor and the max2 iwould be able to go higher than what i got w/p5q-d and e8500co that i had which i got to 4.2.thats why im a little upset

[CryptiK]

What speed is the ram running at? Some cpu's can be sensitive to vFSB, mine is fine up to 1.25v although I run 1.16 vFSB 24/7. There is a lot to get your head around, but keep reading and playing around with it and you'll pick it up.

[whe3ls]

i sodl mine x48 ds4 and was thinking of getting a Maximus II Formula, would this be a good board to get?

[radaja]

@cryptik mem speed is at 1082

[CryptiK]

I like mine, it's no X48 or P35 in terms of memory efficiency, but it is a respectable board, and can clock duals and quads well and is good with ram overclocking. Have a read through the various results in this thread and see if it appeals to you. Whether or not this is the board for you really depends on what you want to achieve with it, and what else you can get for a similar or lower price.

Also look here for a bit of memory bandwidth testing I did with it:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=203040


@cryptik mem speed is at 1082

I'd say you definitely need more vdimm, try setting it to 2.0v and see how it goes then.

Alternatively, set the ram to the lowest frequency choice (~900) and set PL = 10 and then clock up the FSB more. I'd still recommend setting 2.0v vdimm while you're trying to find max cpu clock to eliminate the ram as an issue.

[radaja]

does anyone know where to read votages on this board using multimeter.you know i tried from 1.8 to 2.0 same result but that was when i had my other volts on the board much higher pll 1.56 vfsb 1.26 nb 1.28 ect. ill try again w/vdimm , cause i think i saw another user w/ same ram @2.1(dctokyo)i think anyways thanks

[CryptiK]

You can read vdimm from the 2 mosfets above the memory slots. However each of the 2 phases may read slightly different voltages. I have found what Asus probe/BIOS displays is correct.

Try setting the ram to 900 and raise PL to 10, then retry it, it may in fact be your cpu holding you back.

CPU PLL should be fine left at 1.50v

I have found vNB needs to be at 1.27v to get 445 FSB & PL 8 stable.

[radaja]

il try that when i get home. yea i was just wondering about the volt cause on the P5Q-d v dimm overvolted a little and i wasnt sure how reliable the readout were . yea it seems thats what my board likes for nbv cause raising it had no affect whatsoever thanks

[scooter.jay]

I have some time over the next few days to do some testing and was very kindly given this link by CryptiK

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3293149&postcount=358

But how do i dl it as i have never used megaupload before? do i have to be a member as i dont seem to be able to download the bios? I accept that my noob ass maybe missing something lol

I was misssing the little code at the top lol all sorted now!

[CryptiK]

@ scooter.jay - just enter the 3 letter code it displays into the box, and click DL. You don't need to be a member or anything :up:

[scooter.jay]

Well new bios modded by Ket works but still the same single channel problem which is really getting on my nerves as these sticks should fly in this board. I have some other sticks coming so i can test the board but not here yet hopefully tomorrow they will be here. This board should be great as it is the top P45 offering from Asus i hope some bios updates can sort this out?

[CryptiK]

Strange issue for sure, it may be a defective board mate, although I hope it is just an incompatibility. If the new ram doesn't solve it, I'd try to arrange an RMA. If you have a credit card, Asus may cross ship you one, where you send yours to them as they send you one simultaneously , but they'll only do it if they have one in stock but they should being new (they don't charge your card its for 'insurance' so you don't screw them over).

[scooter.jay]

I have tested with other ram now so i can only think its the board. Thanks for all the help CryptiK. I have left the Ket modded bios on after packing it away i realised so should i flash back to official bios before return to avoid any problems?

[Harsha]

Hello all,
I've been following this thread with some interest as my faithful P5K Deluxe has died on me. After having used it normally for the last 2 years or so I let my OS Vista64 go to sleep and when I tried to turn it on/wake it up .....nothing, or at least no screen power-up. Assumed it might just be a glitch, so tried to reboot and no beep or post. The PSU is powering everything, power LED on MB,mouse and keyboard lights, case LED's for HDD's and DVD drive and CPU fan. I'm assuming its the MB so I was looking for a replacement/upgrade without throwing away all my components.

The P45 boards seemed to be the answer, due to the cooler running NB and general love the Maximus II formula was getting in the first 20 to 30 pages or so...but from the last couple of pages or so Grnfinger and CryptiK have voiced their concerns about this board and the shortcomings of the P45 chipset. My question is which board and chipset seems best suited for me based on the fact that I am merely looking to have my system up and running again STABLE as possible. The X48 Rampage was not something I had thought of as a candidate but would make sense to me if that is the best solution. I am not looking for a crossfire solution as I run
an Eizo CG 241W for the photo and video editing I do....(couldn't really afford 2 of those anyway...had to sell several internal organs to get this one.. :shock2: ). Any advice would be appreciated and I hope this was not too long winded.

Harsha

[d3885u]

Is there anyone of you have tried the Final BIOS from Asus Site?
The version is 0901...
I didn't have so much time to test this BIOS version coz now I had to go my parent's home...hopefully I can go home soon and test this Final BIOS version...Hopefully this will make us satisfied...

[GeorgeVasil]

Is there anyone of you have tried the Final BIOS from Asus Site?
The version is 0901...
I didn't have so much time to test this BIOS version coz now I had to go my parent's home...hopefully I can go home soon and test this Final BIOS version...Hopefully this will make us satisfied...

The newest BIOS is 1307.;)

[d3885u]

The newest BIOS is 1307.;)

UUppsss...Sorry...my mistake...coz I get it from my friend...from hongkong site...yes the newest is still 1307...:p:

[radaja]

just an update . it looks like now that i figured out i need lower than normal vfsb and vnb , im now able to raise my fsb and get somewhat stable. before it would just bsod.this is w/ memory still running 5/6 1081.http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq87/radajarocs/newstable1.jpg

[screwtech02]

After much reading, multiplying, dividing, and generally coming to the conclusion that my math skills are for CRAP, i am asking for help....

What do i need to set my GTL voltages to??

Current settings are as follows...

Runnin 477fsb

333 strap

CPU Vcore 1.5125 bios, 1.49/50 in windows

VTT CPU 1.3

CPU PLL 1.58

NB 1.42

FSB Term V 1.312

I have a Q6600, and am running 8gb of Gskill 1000 mem....

I hate math...........:mad:

When runnin Mark 03, it will reboot just after the first CPU test....

[CryptiK]

I have tested with other ram now so i can only think its the board. Thanks for all the help CryptiK. I have left the Ket modded bios on after packing it away i realised so should i flash back to official bios before return to avoid any problems?

I would actually flash back to an Asus bios just to be sure they don't say you voided warranty by using a modded bios. Good luck hope you get a replacement soon.


Hello all,
I've been following this thread with some interest as my faithful P5K Deluxe has died on me. After having used it normally for the last 2 years or so I let my OS Vista64 go to sleep and when I tried to turn it on/wake it up .....nothing, or at least no screen power-up. Assumed it might just be a glitch, so tried to reboot and no beep or post. The PSU is powering everything, power LED on MB,mouse and keyboard lights, case LED's for HDD's and DVD drive and CPU fan. I'm assuming its the MB so I was looking for a replacement/upgrade without throwing away all my components.

The P45 boards seemed to be the answer, due to the cooler running NB and general love the Maximus II formula was getting in the first 20 to 30 pages or so...but from the last couple of pages or so Grnfinger and CryptiK have voiced their concerns about this board and the shortcomings of the P45 chipset. My question is which board and chipset seems best suited for me based on the fact that I am merely looking to have my system up and running again STABLE as possible. The X48 Rampage was not something I had thought of as a candidate but would make sense to me if that is the best solution. I am not looking for a crossfire solution as I run
an Eizo CG 241W for the photo and video editing I do....(couldn't really afford 2 of those anyway...had to sell several internal organs to get this one.. :shock2: ). Any advice would be appreciated and I hope this was not too long winded.

Harsha

Sure it's not your PSU? If you have access to another one test it before you buy a new board. I think the P45 chipset is a perfectly fine mid range solution, sure it may not have quite the clock for clock performance of the X48 which is the only other logical choice (no one is going to buy an X38 or P35 new anyway now they're too old).

Look at the brief testing I did here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=203040

and see if you're happy with the performance. I am satisfied, and think the only thing better right now is the Rampage Formula, which I just don't need. I think the performance differences are really only evident in benches like everest, I doubt you could tell the difference in real world situations.


Is there anyone of you have tried the Final BIOS from Asus Site?
The version is 0901...
I didn't have so much time to test this BIOS version coz now I had to go my parent's home...hopefully I can go home soon and test this Final BIOS version...Hopefully this will make us satisfied...

I've been on 1307 for awhile now, it's very stable and I have had no problems so far.


just an update . it looks like now that i figured out i need lower than normal vfsb and vnb , im now able to raise my fsb and get somewhat stable. before it would just bsod.this is w/ memory still running 5/6 1081.

Good that you found the sweet spot. I'd advise you also use intel burn test to test stability. I can pass orthos for hours but fail burn tests at 4050 MHz.


After much reading, multiplying, dividing, and generally coming to the conclusion that my math skills are for CRAP, i am asking for help....

What do i need to set my GTL voltages to??

Current settings are as follows...

Runnin 477fsb

333 strap

CPU Vcore 1.5125 bios, 1.49/50 in windows

VTT CPU 1.3

CPU PLL 1.58

NB 1.42

FSB Term V 1.312

I have a Q6600, and am running 8gb of Gskill 1000 mem....

I hate math...........:mad:

When runnin Mark 03, it will reboot just after the first CPU test....

Leave the 0.635x multi's on auto, and set -50mv on each of the 0.667x multi's.

If that doesn't work for you, set -10mv on each of the 0.635x multi's and -60mv on each of the 0.667x multi's.

If that is worse, try +50mv on the 0.635x multi's and leave the 0.667x multi's as they are.

Let me know what happens and what works best. You may be past the max stable CPU speed so they may not give you stability.

[screwtech02]

Ok, so which ones are which???

Norhtbridge=?

4 CPU GTL's=?

Any others i need to worry about??


Thanks BTW......:up:

[radaja]

@cryptik when i run ibt my cores get too hot,too fast!!(73-74) i think this processor is a hothead.how about prime95.

[CryptiK]

Ok, so which ones are which???

Norhtbridge=?

4 CPU GTL's=?

Any others i need to worry about??


Thanks BTW......:up:

No problem. I leave NB GTL on auto, I have gained nothing changing it, and I was just talking about the 4 CPU GTL's. When you highlight one up in the the top RH corner of the bios screen it says the default multiplier - it says 0.635x or 0.667x. Just add/subtract what I suggested from each one and give it a go.


@cryptik when i run ibt my cores get too hot,too fast!!(73-74) i think this processor is a hothead.how about prime95.

What cooling are you on? Prime95 is exactly the same as Orthos. I have found to pass ITB I need one or 2 notches more vcore than I pass Orthos with.

EDIT - sorry you're on a true and hit 70+? I dont go over 60 - 65 depending on ambients. Your contact may be bad or your chip may just be hot.

[screwtech02]

Cool man, ill give it a go......

I didnt think to look into the highlighted area.....:shakes:

Well, after a bit of playing i setteled on -10 for the .635's, and -50 on the .667's....

Now im TOTALLY stable, and acheived this.....

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=5951366

I'm pretty happy with this board/setup. Seems to be alot more tweekable than my old P5E....

Thank's again CryptiK......

[radaja]

quick question, does the memory go in the blue slots or the white?

[Zucker2k]

Blue

[Grnfinger]

I have tested with other ram now so i can only think its the board. Thanks for all the help CryptiK. I have left the Ket modded bios on after packing it away i realised so should i flash back to official bios before return to avoid any problems?

I RMA'd my Maximus X38 with a Rampage bios mod still flashed, No hassles from Asus.
I wouldnt worry to much about it

[glauber.herbert]

Hi Guys!!!
I really need some help here!!
Yesterday, I was trying to start to overclock my system. I was able to get only 3.4GHZ in the Q9550.
And sometimes, even in this over, I have some troubles to load Vista.
Is there someone here in the forum with Q9550 and Maximus Formula II that can help me?
If somebody post the settings of the BIOS ( actually 1307 in mine ), I will be grateful!!! :)

Gl@uber

[CryptiK]

Grnfinger does, check some of his posts, he gives some settings to try throughout the thread. That should get you started.

[CryptiK]

Sorry for the double post, but to address doubts that this board can't do 500+ FSB stable, here's a Dual SPI 32M bench at 534 FSB. I can also run orthos at this FSB without an issue.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/534FSB4GHzDualSPI32M5-5-5-12PL10.jpg

[glauber.herbert]

CryptiK,
Thanks a lot!!
I get some bios config´s and try out today!!!
I have only one more question...
I have the Q9550 ( E0 review ) in air colling, and read in some posts that it´s not safe to put anything above 1.3625V, is it right?

Gl@uber

[Harsha]

Thanks for the reply CrypiK, I'm on the other side of the world in Tokyo Japan so I have to deal with US $80-100 more for the Maximus II formula with no RMA policy. They pretty much have you by the "short and curlys" even though Akihabara is pretty good with actually having things in stock.

I was wondering about your comment of the PSU: is it possible for it to go down partially ? It does supply power to the board as I said ( I have a green LED on the MB to say power is getting through) HDD's and fans spin up but the lack of postal beep and no power to the screen seems to be conflicting.

[CryptiK]

CryptiK,
Thanks a lot!!
I get some bios config´s and try out today!!!
I have only one more question...
I have the Q9550 ( E0 review ) in air colling, and read in some posts that it´s not safe to put anything above 1.3625V, is it right?

Gl@uber

Intel states that the maximum safe vcore is 1.3625v, and anything over that may damage the cpu, either very slowly (ie: decrease it's life span from ~10 years by a few years) or perhaps more rapidly. There is no real way to tell what will happen with voltages above 1.3625v. I'd see what your cpu can do keeping it under that at least to begin with. Keep your vPLL under 1.6v, and your Vtt (vFSB) under 1.26v too.


Thanks for the reply CrypiK, I'm on the other side of the world in Tokyo Japan so I have to deal with US $80-100 more for the Maximus II formula with no RMA policy. They pretty much have you by the "short and curlys" even though Akihabara is pretty good with actually having things in stock.

I was wondering about your comment of the PSU: is it possible for it to go down partially ? It does supply power to the board as I said ( I have a green LED on the MB to say power is getting through) HDD's and fans spin up but the lack of postal beep and no power to the screen seems to be conflicting.

You can't RMA directly to Asus? I would have thought you could regardless of the policy of the place you bought it from.

From that description it does seem like the board may have died, but if you can you should check the ram/PSU/video card before you get another board, but if you can't, it's a good excuse to upgrade. If the board is less than 3 years old, you may even be able to RMA it directly to Asus as well. It would be worth contacting them and asking.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Thanks for the reply CrypiK, I'm on the other side of the world in Tokyo Japan so I have to deal with US $80-100 more for the Maximus II formula with no RMA policy. They pretty much have you by the "short and curlys" even though Akihabara is pretty good with actually having things in stock.

Wow, to have access to Akiba and all the crazy electronics/PC/otaku shops :mad:

[d3885u]

Could you show me your BIOS setting to achive stability at 534 FSB Cryptik?
I abseloutly had a very big trouble with this kind of 4gb kit of RAM...
I tested with Team Xtreem Dark 4GB Kit...and the result is very2 dissapointing...
it's very difficult to find a stable setting for 4gb of RAM...
I just could find stable setting at 450 FSB and 1080 RAM...
If I go with 1:1 ratio FSB : DRAM...I couldn't make this system stable anymore...

[CryptiK]

7.5x multi
534 FSB
1070 ram (1:1 on 333 strap)
1.35v vNB
PL 10

Anything else in particular you want to know?

4GB of ram will take up to 0.1v more vNB to get stable compared to 2GB ram at the same FSB/ram speed. It's a lot harder on the MCH.

[Gambit_2K]

7.5x multi
534 FSB
1070 ram (1:1 on 333 strap)
1.35v vNB
PL 10

Anything else in particular you want to know?

4GB of ram will take up to 0.1v more vNB to get stable compared to 2GB ram at the same FSB/ram speed. It's a lot harder on the MCH.


What's better overclockingwise? 4x1GB or 2x2GB? Im thinking of retiering my 4 ballistix tracer sticks and buying a 2x2GB mushkin PC8500 kit instead.

[CryptiK]

Depends on what the 2 x 2GB kit can do. If you had 4 x 1GB of micron ram, you could hit 1200 MHz stable. Most 2 x 2GB kits wont do that, however if you got the G.Skill 9600PI kit, they will do 1200+. Until the 9600 PI kit comes down in price, I'll stick with my micron kits.

[Harsha]

Hi CryptiK,
Will try the RMA direct route as you suggested but I think i will go and get the Maximus II Formula this week anyway. I might beg for some help on the OC assuming the Q6600 and Mushkin are still up and kicking. Thanks for the replies and advice.

[d3885u]

Yes...I've tried with that setting but...I can't even pass orthos stability testing...
What's wrong...?
Is it coz of my RAM...?
I don't think so...Coz when I use 450 FSB & 1080 DRAM...I could pass orthos stability testing...so is that anything I'd left that could make my system unstable?
How about your CPU/NB Skew...??Auto/Normal setting?
vFSB and vPLL?
Gtleref all to AUTO right?..
Thx Cryptik You help me so much...

[TouGe]

Depends on what the 2 x 2GB kit can do. If you had 4 x 1GB of micron ram, you could hit 1200 MHz stable. Most 2 x 2GB kits wont do that, however if you got the G.Skill 9600PI kit, they will do 1200+. Until the 9600 PI kit comes down in price, I'll stick with my micron kits.

http://www.memoryc.com/images/products/b/gskill-pc2-9600-4gb_4939.jpg
:slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber:

[TouGe]

Okay here are my 3.8GHz settings. Stable 6 hours small FFT's and Linpack 15 passes. Yes, my QX9650 is a dog.



Extreme Tweaker
AI Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
-Ratio CMOS Setting: 9.5
FSB Frequency: 400
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Normal
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1066
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A1: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 B1: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 B2: Auto


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
RAS# Precharge: 5
RAS# Activate Time: 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 35
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D): 7
Write to Read Delay (S): 3
Write to Read Delay (D): 5
Read to Read Delay (S): 4
Read to Read Delay (D): 6
Write to Write Delay (S): 4
Write to Write Delay (D): 6

Write to Pre Delay: 14
Read to Pre Delay: 5
Pre to Pre Delay: 1
All Pre to ACT Delay: 5
All Pre to REF Delay: 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC Charger: Disabled
AI Clock Twister: Strong
Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [7]

Pull-In of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCI-E Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.31875V
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53975V
FSBT: 1.23250V
DRAM Voltage: 2.09150V
North Bridge Voltage: 1.23250V
South Bridge Voltage 1.5: 1.50000V
South Bridge Voltage 1.1: 1.10000V

CPU GTL Reference 0: Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1: -50mV
CPU GTL Reference 2: Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3: -45mV
North Bridge GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage: Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disabled


I still might be able to tweak my Vcore a little but I've got some folding to do right now.

[turtletrax]

Okay here are my 3.8GHz settings. Stable 6 hours small FFT's and Linpack 15 passes. Yes, my QX9650 is a dog.



Extreme Tweaker
AI Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
-Ratio CMOS Setting: 9.5
FSB Frequency: 400
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Normal
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1066
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A1: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 B1: Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 B2: Auto


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
RAS# Precharge: 5
RAS# Activate Time: 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 35
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D): 7
Write to Read Delay (S): 3
Write to Read Delay (D): 5
Read to Read Delay (S): 4
Read to Read Delay (D): 6
Write to Write Delay (S): 4
Write to Write Delay (D): 6

Write to Pre Delay: 14
Read to Pre Delay: 5
Pre to Pre Delay: 1
All Pre to ACT Delay: 5
All Pre to REF Delay: 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC Charger: Disabled
AI Clock Twister: Strong
Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [7]

Pull-In of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCI-E Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.31875V
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53975V
FSBT: 1.23250V
DRAM Voltage: 2.09150V
North Bridge Voltage: 1.23250V
South Bridge Voltage 1.5: 1.50000V
South Bridge Voltage 1.1: 1.10000V

CPU GTL Reference 0: Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1: -50mV
CPU GTL Reference 2: Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3: -45mV
North Bridge GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage: Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disabled


I still might be able to tweak my Vcore a little but I've got some folding to do right now.

What FPO/Batch is your QX? I think I am getting one so I am interested in anyones' success or lack thereof on this board.

[TouGe]

^^L744b163

[radaja]

@cryptik i ran LinX. seems i passed. also look how low i have to have vtt and vnb. if i have the vnb any higher i get errors in prime95. now is it my processor that require me to have to use such low volts or is it my motherboard. for example, if i was to get another E8500 co and run it on this board would it have to run the same low volts or would it be more like my P5Q-deluxe in which i was able to use basic starting point settings of vcore1.4/pll1.56/vtt1.26/vnb1.26 / 9x450@4050 W/ mem@1081 and be almost perfectly stable. see thats what i tried when i got my maximus and boy did that not work! so, low volts cpu or board?http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq87/radajarocs/Capture55.jpg

[CryptiK]

Yes...I've tried with that setting but...I can't even pass orthos stability testing...
What's wrong...?
Is it coz of my RAM...?
I don't think so...Coz when I use 450 FSB & 1080 DRAM...I could pass orthos stability testing...so is that anything I'd left that could make my system unstable?
How about your CPU/NB Skew...??Auto/Normal setting?
vFSB and vPLL?
Gtleref all to AUTO right?..
Thx Cryptik You help me so much...

CPU & NB skew is on auto
vFSB = 1.23v
vPLL = 1.50v
GTL Ref (0.635x) = +40mv
GTL Ref (0.667x) = auto

Whatever works for your CPU, they do differ. It might be your cpu, it may be the MCH and require more vNB to be stable, it couldn't be your ram, if it does 1080 stable it will do 1068 stable (534 FSB 1:1).



Hi CryptiK,
Will try the RMA direct route as you suggested but I think i will go and get the Maximus II Formula this week anyway. I might beg for some help on the OC assuming the Q6600 and Mushkin are still up and kicking. Thanks for the replies and advice.

Nice well I'll be here when you get your gear so let us know how you go.


http://www.memoryc.com/images/products/b/gskill-pc2-9600-4gb_4939.jpg
:slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber:

I know, they are great ram. They can do 651 MHz + on <2.1v but still cost a lot for DDR2.


@cryptik i ran LinX. seems i passed. also look how low i have to have vtt and vnb. if i have the vnb any higher i get errors in prime95. now is it my processor that require me to have to use such low volts or is it my motherboard. for example, if i was to get another E8500 co and run it on this board would it have to run the same low volts or would it be more like my P5Q-deluxe in which i was able to use basic starting point settings of vcore1.4/pll1.56/vtt1.26/vnb1.26 / 9x450@4050 W/ mem@1081 and be almost perfectly stable. see thats what i tried when i got my maximus and boy did that not work! so, low volts cpu or board?

Treat each separately, if you get a new cpu it will require different vcore obviously. Just find the sweetspot for you board/cpu combo, some boards seem very sensitive to vNB/vFSB ratio as well as absolute voltage for each. You may need to raise vFSB & vNB together to maintain stability. Looking good so far though, low voltages are better than high ones that's for sure.

[grifonemoloch]

I know, they are great ram. They can do 651 MHz + on <2.1v but still cost a lot for DDR2.



I'm just waiting for them to be shipped to me, together with a X3360 (E0). After i will try to get something interesting from them, and i'm sure CryptiK will be my friend :D

[turtletrax]

^^L744b163

Many thanks ;)

[The Nemesis]

^^L744b163

Interesting, mines a L744B164

[TouGe]

I'm just waiting for them to be shipped to me, together with a X3360 (E0). After i will try to get something interesting from them, and i'm sure CryptiK will be my friend :D
After setting up my WC loops my pockets no longer run that deep otherwise I'd love to have a pair or two.


Interesting, mines a L744B164
And next you're going to tell me you can get 4.0GHz @ 1.24V, right? Go ahead I can take it. Lol, joking of course. :cussing:

What clocks are you seeing?

[Grnfinger]

:bounces:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/MII_4GHZ.jpg


Now to get the ram up to speed

[CryptiK]

Impressive result, what made 4GHz stable vs your previous 3.9GHz?

[glauber.herbert]

Hi guys!!!
I made some overclock settings yesterday, and I´m worried about the temperature right now...
I´m have a Q9550@3.6 and the temps in idle are 39ºC and in load about 60ºC, is it all right?

[CryptiK]

60*C is fine, quite good actually. Nice start.

[glauber.herbert]

Hi CryptiK,
Thanks again for your answer!!!!
Yesterday, I try to reach @4.0Ghz, but I had some instability ( maybe memory - 1.9V - 1081 MHz ) ....and the temperature is about 67ºC in Load!!:o
Right now I´m using 1.18 as a VTT... is all right?
And if I try to reach again today the 4.0GHZ, I was thinking in 1.25 for VTT.. What do you think?

[CryptiK]

Aim to keep it under 70*C during a stress test like orthos, and under 65*C is better, but on aircooling that may be difficult to do at 3.8 - 4.0GHz. The CPU is rated for 1.2v Vtt standard on 4 Series Chipsets (P45/X48) and can go up to 1.26v safely. Try 1.2 - 1.25 Vtt. You also may want to set your GTL's manually, try +40mv to the 0.635x GTL's and leave the 0.667x GTL's on auto, if that makes it less stable, try -10mv on the 0.635x GTL's and -50mv on the 0.667x GTL's.

[Darknezz]

Does anyone know how too read the date on OCZ Ram????

[Ender3rd]

Does anyone know how too read the date on OCZ Ram????

OCZ does not put the date of manufacture in the SPD of its modules. There was a brief discussion of this at the OCZ product support forum.

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35102&highlight=week%2Fyear

[nugzo]

Just installed my maximis with 8gb gskill ram. It runs soo slow with the 8gb installed. took over an hour to install windows. desktop is non responsive. took 4gb out and it runs perfect. anybody having issues with 8gb ram?

[nugzo]

Using auto settings on everything but vcore, vtt, pll, nb and sb, my q9650 is at 4275mhz. (475x9) Once i get the 8gb ram issue sorted and tweak voltages and mem timings, i think this platform change will make me happy. I've been using nforce exclusively until today. I have a lot of learning to do. I knew the nforce bios like the back of my hand. I've read through page 10 of this thread so far, 40 pages to go. My goal is high, I Want 4500mhz 24/7 on air. Others with this same batch# (L822B363) have accomplished this. If anybody with a similar clock could throw some settings and voltages at me I'd really appreciate it. My hardware is in my sig. Thanks!

[Nunzi]

what OS are u useing ?

[nugzo]

Vista 64 sp1. Should memory remap be enabled or disabled?

[Zucker2k]

Vista 64 sp1. Should memory remap be enabled or disabled?

If you're running 4Gb or more, then yes.

[nugzo]

If you're running 4Gb or more, then yes.

Yes to enabled or disabled?

[Nunzi]

I have it enabled

[SiGfever]

Hi Guys!!!
I really need some help here!!
Yesterday, I was trying to start to overclock my system. I was able to get only 3.4GHZ in the Q9550.
And sometimes, even in this over, I have some troubles to load Vista.
Is there someone here in the forum with Q9550 and Maximus Formula II that can help me?
If somebody post the settings of the BIOS ( actually 1307 in mine ), I will be grateful!!! :)

Gl@uber
What Revision is your Q9550? "E0", C0", or "C1"?

[screwtech02]

Just installed my maximis with 8gb gskill ram. It runs soo slow with the 8gb installed. took over an hour to install windows. desktop is non responsive. took 4gb out and it runs perfect. anybody having issues with 8gb ram?

No issues here with 8gb installed, runnin 467fsb, 560ram.... Took a bit to get my clock stable, but well worth it.... I even installed Ultimate with the 8gb in, no problems whatsoever...:cool:

[nugzo]

i enabled memory remap and all is good now. Thanks. I will be bugging the snot out of yall the next few days though, until i learn enough to start contributing. Sooooo many settings its overwhelming. This is way different than the nforce i've been using the past 3+ years. I have my q9650 at 4400mhz atm on mostly auto settings, only 100mhz shy of my goal but memory benchmarks are poor. I'll post my settings in a few for some suggestions. Oh and thanks again!!

[Grnfinger]

Impressive result, what made 4GHz stable vs your previous 3.9GHz?

PLL was the key to success, 2 notches and a little vcore and she primed all night :up:

Now for the ram , still not totally tweaked but more than accpetable for the first run.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/40_gskill.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/20k.jpg

[The Nemesis]

PLL was the key to success, 2 notches and a little vcore and she primed all night :up:



Just curious what do have it set too? I had posted the same discovery several pages back. I didn't want to chance such voltages though and settle for my current oc.

[nugzo]

Ok this is where i'm stable so far. Well i cant really call it stable cos ive only been running it an hour, but i've had no issues at theses settings. vcore could probably come down, this was my starting point. I'm still reading this thread. Made it to page 15 so far. What should i adjust next? Thanks!
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[TouGe]

Ok this is where i'm stable so far. Well i cant really call it stable cos ive only been running it an hour, but i've had no issues at theses settings. vcore could probably come down, this was my starting point. I'm still reading this thread. Made it to page 15 so far. What should i adjust next? Thanks!

Wow, I'm scared of your temp. I'm sure to some here that >60 is acceptable but I don't even like going above 50 on full load. Since I fold 24/7 I'm always at full load.
Get that baby under water and enjoy a ~10 degree drop:up:.

[The Nemesis]

Temps are too high for me. What voltages & temps were 4GHZ. I'm sure you curious to see how high it will go but after your done drop down to 4Ghz anything over that just seems like overkill for casual day to day use. You can alway crank it up when u bench or game.

[nugzo]

I actually thought the temps were bearable coming from dual cores with similar temps at similar clocks/volts. I'll drop vcore and see what happens. I'm idling 35-40c. 78F ambient.

[radaja]

@cryptik, check this out . all i did was disable LLC and set 1.4vcore in bios,changed fsb from 445 to 456 and its sill priming fine. before i couldnt get prime any higher than 4050.http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq87/radajarocs/4100135.jpg

[ztop]

someone can tell me if those 2x2gb ddr2 kit are good for the asus maximus 2 formula?

teamgroup extreme dark series pc2 8500 1066 mhz 5-5-5 15 2x2gb
g.skill f2-8500cl5d-4gbpk 2x2gb
thanjs

[DiscoTech]

I have just bought a p5q deluxe and I had trouble even loading vista at stock settings with my q9450. I have been told to downgrade bios and that the new bioses were problematic. This gave me a bad taste on my first day.

Is maximus 2 formula a better overclocker than the p5q deluxe? Do the bioses have less quirks? At least the layout seems to be better. I can keep my sound card on the bottom slot away from my video card.

[TouGe]

I have just bought a p5q deluxe and I had trouble even loading vista at stock settings with my q9450. I have been told to downgrade bios and that the new bioses were problematic. This gave me a bad taste on my first day.

Is maximus 2 formula a better overclocker than the p5q deluxe? Do the bioses have less quirks? At least the layout seems to be better. I can keep my sound card on the bottom slot away from my video card.

IMHO, the P5Q-D is a better performer than the M2F and, from past experience, the 13xx BIOS for the P5Q-D was rather stable. Have you tried Ket's moded P5Q BIOS's? You might be having RAM issues, what's your hardware?

[TouGe]

someone can tell me if those 2x2gb ddr2 kit are good for the asus maximus 2 formula?

teamgroup extreme dark series pc2 8500 1066 mhz 5-5-5 15 2x2gb
g.skill f2-8500cl5d-4gbpk 2x2gb
thanjs

Have you considered PC2-8500 2x2GB kits from Mushkin? Leeghoofd runs a set in is P5Q-D and they performed rather well. If interested check out the initial posts in the P5Q-D thread.

[DiscoTech]

I have just bought a p5q deluxe and I had trouble even loading vista at stock settings with my q9450. I have been told to downgrade bios and that the new bioses were problematic. This gave me a bad taste on my first day.

Is maximus 2 formula a better overclocker than the p5q deluxe? Do the bioses have less quirks? At least the layout seems to be better. I can keep my sound card on the bottom slot away from my video card.


IMHO, the P5Q-D is a better performer than the M2F and, from past experience, the 13xx BIOS for the P5Q-D was rather stable. Have you tried Ket's moded P5Q BIOS's? You might be having RAM issues, what's your hardware?

No, I have seen other people having problems on the p5q thread with the same combo. All my components were working on another motherboard. Everything is at stock, I tried with one dimm, also increased ram voltage. Memory is micron d9gkx.

why do you say p5q-d is a better performer? higher max fsb? higher cpu or ram overclock?

[Grnfinger]

Have you considered PC2-8500 2x2GB kits from Mushkin? Leeghoofd runs a set in is P5Q-D and they performed rather well. If interested check out the initial posts in the P5Q-D thread.

I have Mushkin XP2-8500 and GSkill 8500 the GSkill actually out perform Mushkin. I find them to be rather poor ram for the money. Alotta hype and no balls, kinda like AMD :rofl:

[ztop]

I have Mushkin XP2-8500 and GSkill 8500 the GSkill actually out perform Mushkin. I find them to be rather poor ram for the money. Alotta hype and no balls, kinda like AMD :rofl:

wich model of g.skill?

[zlojack]

For me Grnfinger, the best 1066 2x2 sticks were, hands down, the Corsair Dominators.

1147 on 478 FSB with an E8400 PL7
1122 on 421 FSB with a QX9650 PL6

Great RAM. :up:

[Grnfinger]

Just curious what do have it set too? I had posted the same discovery several pages back. I didn't want to chance such voltages though and settle for my current oc.

Set PLL at 1.56 actual and chip stabilized after that.
Now its getting the ram tweaked out at 1130MHz, GSkills should be able to do it.


For me Grnfinger, the best 1066 2x2 sticks were, hands down, the Corsair Dominators.

1147 on 478 FSB with an E8400 PL7
1122 on 421 FSB with a QX9650 PL6

Great RAM. :up:

I have a 2x1GB kit of them I might grab a 2x2GB kit this weekend. Really want 1130MHz for ram.

[SiGfever]

Set PLL at 1.56 actual and chip stabilized after that.
Now its getting the ram tweaked out at 1130MHz, GSkills should be able to do it.

What voltage are you running your G.Skill?

[zlojack]

Set PLL at 1.56 actual and chip stabilized after that.
Now its getting the ram tweaked out at 1130MHz, GSkills should be able to do it.



I have a 2x1GB kit of them I might grab a 2x2GB kit this weekend. Really want 1130MHz for ram.

These ones (http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=28709&vpn=TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF&manufacture=CORSAIR) loved my Maximus.

[Grnfinger]

What voltage are you running your G.Skill?

2.1 actual, I might try tossing some more juice to them

[SiGfever]

2.1 actual, I might try tossing some more juice to them

I have mine set in bios @ 2.13125, what do you think is safe for these guys?

[Grnfinger]

I have mine set in bios @ 2.13125, what do you think is safe for these guys?

I'm willing to go as high as 2.2 actual.
I had to run them on the high side for the Maximus X38 board so I know these CL5D's can do it.
If you have decent air flow and they dont get to hot I'm sure 2.2v is safe.
You could ask the G.SKill rep to be safe but I find him rather useless personally.