ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[Grnfinger]

Thanx a lot Grn. Helpfull as always. U just use additional NB cooling? Rest heatpipe is stock?

Yes I left the heatpipe and SB alone totally stock.
Removed the Asus NB heatsink and replaced it with my MCW30 and AS ceramique paste. Thats all I have done to the board so far and I cannot complain any. Tweaking my E8600 now, r..e..a..ching for a stable 5.0GHz, but not sure if its going to happen, like my quad better anyways:D
this board is great my Maximus X38 will be back from RMA this week so looking forward to some head to head comparison.

[ChaosAD]

I still cant decide between MFII+ddr2 or Rampage extreme+ddr3 tbh, both seems fine. But this is out of topic anyway. Just wanted to share my thought. Anyway, thanx Grn, again.

[screwtech02]

Anybody know what waterblock the southbridge setup takes, im gonna assume that those other mosfets/stuff to the left need cooled, same with the mosfets/stuff to the left of the northbridge??

[SiGfever]

Anybody know what waterblock the southbridge setup takes, im gonna assume that those other mosfets/stuff to the left need cooled, same with the mosfets/stuff to the left of the northbridge??

Here are my idle/load temps so far using a MCW30 attached to the NB heatpipe assy. This is only at 3.2Ghz, breaking MB in.

[Grnfinger]

Here are my idle/load temps so far using a MCW30 attached to the NB heatpipe assy. This is only at 3.2Ghz, breaking MB in.

Come on lets see some clocks:D

I would like to see your setup for 4.0GHz when you get there if you dont mind.

Took me 4ever to get my chip stable at 4.0 and I still think the volts are kinda high altho temps are very decent.
GTL's are probaly set wrong and the NB / CPU clock skew is new to me comming from a Maximus X38 and there is little reference to it.

[electricl]

Hey Grn

any suggestions for a try to reach 4GHz?

[SiGfever]

Come on lets see some clocks:D

I would like to see your setup for 4.0GHz when you get there if you dont mind.

Took me 4ever to get my chip stable at 4.0 and I still think the volts are kinda high altho temps are very decent.
GTL's are probaly set wrong and the NB / CPU clock skew is new to me comming from a Maximus X38 and there is little reference to it.


Be patient. :ROTF:

The loops still have air in them and I like to let the MB break in for a couple of days while final micro bubble bleeding takes place.

[Starage]

Just up dated to bios 1307 from 802. Could not get my fsb over 500. But with new bios so far at 540 and cpu running 7.5 multi.

[barong]

anyone please can help me to get 500 or more fsb, please need guide

[CryptiK]

Hello i have an interesting trouble with that motherboard.
I am now on stock speed, no overclocking. I can past any stress tests orthos, memtest, prime95 for hours. No problem but when i try to play games or 3dmark06 i would not survive more than a minute without promptly rebooting the entire system. I tried different Videocard, CPU, memory, PSU. The problem is exactly on either board or BIOS.
Look at these links, reviewers had the exact same problem:
http://www.techspot.com/review/105-asus-maximus-2-formula/page9.html
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showthread.php?t=194444

Please help me
My config:
Asus Maximus II Formula
Intel E8500
OCZ Reaper 2x2gb 1066mhz
Sapphire Ati HD4870
WD 300gb Velociraptor
Silverstone OP1000

This guy only posted twice so I doubt I'll get a reply from him, but has anyone experienced this crashing during 3D? I was hoping to get this board but it is bad that 2 reviewers had this issue and another couple of people also (X2beach is second user with this issue he RMA'd and got a P5Q and the issues were gone - means the motherboard was dodgey). If anyone can give me some info on this issue I'd appreciate it.

[Grnfinger]

This guy only posted twice so I doubt I'll get a reply from him, but has anyone experienced this crashing during 3D? I was hoping to get this board but it is bad that 2 reviewers had this issue and another couple of people also (X2beach is second user with this issue he RMA'd and got a P5Q and the issues were gone - means the motherboard was dodgey). If anyone can give me some info on this issue I'd appreciate it.

It was my understanding that OCZ Reapers were not compatible with this mobo, bios 802 added some memory compatability but unsure if that kit was part of it.
I run a 3870X2, I play WOW, Bioshock, Alone in the Dark, Gears of War and Lost Planet, none crash or have ever crashed.
Granted I havent had this board very long but I honestly have nothing bad to say so far.
About to test new bios 1307, need to break 20k on 3dmark:D

[CryptiK]

Cheers mate, I think it can't be a common issue, and is most likely a compatibility issue of some kind. I think I'll get one still, if it gives me any issues I can return it and get another I suppose. I have had major dramas with my P5Q-D so I hope to this time get a good board.

I have seen bios 604 recommended for stability and high FSB clocking, but also 802 seems to be popular. I have TeamXtreem 1066 D9 based ram, and I have Cellshocks on the way, are you aware of any incompatibility issues between them and the M2F?

[dctokyo]

This guy only posted twice so I doubt I'll get a reply from him, but has anyone experienced this crashing during 3D? I was hoping to get this board but it is bad that 2 reviewers had this issue and another couple of people also (X2beach is second user with this issue he RMA'd and got a P5Q and the issues were gone - means the motherboard was dodgey). If anyone can give me some info on this issue I'd appreciate it.

No problems here........Play BF2 and CS and Call Of Duty daily and never had one BSOD.

That guy just did not know how to set up the board or his memory was bad.

[CryptiK]

Good to hear, I know what I'm doing so I shouldn't have any issues setting the board up, I'm actually looking forward to having so many options at my disposal. I'm going to order it now, so I should have it by the end of this week latest. Here's hoping it's a good example like you guys have :D

I have 2 kits of TeamXtreem that do 1333+ (Cellshocks coming too) so I hope this board can clock memory high, I intend to have some fun with it.

[Grnfinger]

We will be waiting for your results :D

[chiman2]

is 40 celcuis idle high for the nb and sb temperature? and last night i turned off my computer as usual and when i wake up today and turn it on. the computer turns on. lcd poster looks right. but i get nothing on the screen. i ended having to turn off my psu from the back. turn it back on and then i would have image on my monitor. ill take whatever advice i can get. this isnt the first that its happened. i also cant come back from sleep/hibernate. like it just wont wake up. wierd

[SiGfever]

Good to hear, I know what I'm doing so I shouldn't have any issues setting the board up, I'm actually looking forward to having so many options at my disposal. I'm going to order it now, so I should have it by the end of this week latest. Here's hoping it's a good example like you guys have :D

I have 2 kits of TeamXtreem that do 1333+ (Cellshocks coming too) so I hope this board can clock memory high, I intend to have some fun with it.
I hope you get one with a good DVD, mine was blank. :shakes:

[Grnfinger]

I hope you get one with a good DVD, mine was blank. :shakes:

I can make an image of the dvd if you like, while you wait for yours from Asus.

[musasm]

This guy only posted twice so I doubt I'll get a reply from him, but has anyone experienced this crashing during 3D? I was hoping to get this board but it is bad that 2 reviewers had this issue and another couple of people also (X2beach is second user with this issue he RMA'd and got a P5Q and the issues were gone - means the motherboard was dodgey). If anyone can give me some info on this issue I'd appreciate it.

Hi,
I believe OCZ reapers are not compatible with that board at Bios 0901.
I switched back my Mushkins(2x2gb Redline 1000mhz). Then everything
is stable for now.
Meanwhile, i cant lower NB and SB temp under 50C as my room temp is about 30 these days. I pulled of all heat sink, and applied Arctic Silver 5 on both SB and NB. then squeezed all screws tightly. I just can decrease the temps from 65s to 50C.
Maybe i should back to watercooling solution for NB and SB.

[SiGfever]

I can make an image of the dvd if you like, while you wait for yours from Asus.

That would be great, lucky that the P5Q-D shares the same drivers so most went o-k.

YGPM

[Grnfinger]

Hi,
I believe OCZ reapers are not compatible with that board at Bios 0901.
I switched back my Mushkins(2x2gb Redline 1000mhz). Then everything
is stable for now.
Meanwhile, i cant lower NB and SB temp under 50C as my room temp is about 30 these days. I pulled of all heat sink, and applied Arctic Silver 5 on both SB and NB. then squeezed all screws tightly. I just can decrease the temps from 65s to 50C.
Maybe i should back to watercooling solution for NB and SB.

If you have good air flow in your case then invest in a spot cooler,
There fairly cheap and alot less hassle than w/c. 50c is a tad high imo
Mine idles at a cool 32c and wont go above 38-39c full load this is on water tho.

[SiGfever]

If you have good air flow in your case then invest in a spot cooler,
There fairly cheap and alot less hassle than w/c. 50c is a tad high imo
Mine idles at a cool 32c and wont go above 38-39c full load this is on water tho.
With Swiftech coming out next week with a NB waterblock that will fit right on the existing heatpipe assy. it is an easy solution for cooling the NB, SB, and the Mosfets.

[CryptiK]

Hi,
I believe OCZ reapers are not compatible with that board at Bios 0901.
I switched back my Mushkins(2x2gb Redline 1000mhz). Then everything
is stable for now.
Meanwhile, i cant lower NB and SB temp under 50C as my room temp is about 30 these days. I pulled of all heat sink, and applied Arctic Silver 5 on both SB and NB. then squeezed all screws tightly. I just can decrease the temps from 65s to 50C.
Maybe i should back to watercooling solution for NB and SB.

This is great news, I was hoping it was just incompatibility of some kind, most probably ram. Thanks for the reply. Glad to hear you got it stable.

[kwalker]

heres a little comparison between the Maximus formula and the Maximus II.
notice the Vcore difference and the formula was weak on the q9550 being that max stable was flaky at best just over 3.7 Ghz.
the Maximus II takes this chip 500 FSB but I'm still playing at the 4Ghz mark for now. :D
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa283/kwalker50/08-21-2008_19-28-23.png
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa283/kwalker50/09-07-2008_11-16-25.png

[Grnfinger]

heres a little comparison between the Maximus formula and the Maximus II.
notice the Vcore difference and the formula was weak on the q9550 being that max stable was flaky at best just over 3.7 Ghz.
the Maximus II takes this chip 500 FSB but I'm still playing at the 4Ghz mark for now. :D


been trying to break 4.0GHz stable for a few days now, 4.0 is stable just cant get anything higher, I also cant get 500 FSB stable on any multi.

How are you running your GTL's?

[kwalker]

been trying to break 4.0GHz stable for a few days now, 4.0 is stable just cant get anything higher, I also cant get 500 FSB stable on any multi.

How are you running your GTL's?

GTL's set at auto for now.
the only thing I'm skeptical of is pll voltage at auto.
If I remember my electronics phase lock loop is a function on the motherboard that compares frequency input to output.
if there is a variation the pll circuitry sets it straight and voltage is the trick.
weather or not this implementation is on the motherboard or a function of the CPU evades me but I cant see such a device being on die.
I'll let you know what smokes first:D

[Grnfinger]

GTL's set at auto for now.
the only thing I'm skeptical of is pll voltage at auto.
If I remember my electronics phase lock loop is a function on the motherboard that compares frequency input to output.
if there is a variation the pll circuitry sets it straight and voltage is the trick.
weather or not this implementation is on the motherboard or a function of the CPU evades me but I cant see such a device being on die.
I'll let you know what smokes first:D

1.50 PLL is good up to 480FSB for me anyways, after that I set 1.525.
I'm not running anything on auto except for Mem OC charger ( no idea what that does yet)
and the Mem Read Training is also set to auto for I have little information regarding this option.

I'm more interested in CPU Clock Skew and NB Clock Skew, and how they play in terms of performance vs stability.
Running stable at 1.35 vcore I feel my chip has alot of headroom and would like to fully max the 24/7 setting.
With advice/exchange of ideas and some other bios setups to compare I'm sure 4.2GHz is possible for 24/7 use.
Besides I just recieved a nice kit of Mushkin ram that does 1250MHz so I would like to max my fsb and break 10k in Everest.

[kwalker]

1.50 PLL is good up to 480FSB for me anyways, after that I set 1.525.
I'm not running anything on auto except for Mem OC charger ( no idea what that does yet)
and the Mem Read Training is also set to auto for I have little information regarding this option.

I'm more interested in CPU Clock Skew and NB Clock Skew, and how they play in terms of performance vs stability.
Running stable at 1.35 vcore I feel my chip has alot of headroom and would like to fully max the 24/7 setting.
With advice/exchange of ideas and some other bios setups to compare I'm sure 4.2GHz is possible for 24/7 use.
Besides I just recieved a nice kit of Mushkin ram that does 1250MHz so I would like to max my fsb and break 10k in Everest.
500 FSB is doable 24/7 on this board with a decent 45nm quad (E0)
I bet with the help of a few of us here we can get the others to cooperate as well. :cool:
I'm working on the other functions of this board as well and though I have an Idea what clock skew is I am having a difficult time digging up schematics that don't date back to the stone age :D.
Its all memory bandwidth related and has to do with controlling how data or electrical signals arrives at different devices in a circuit at different intervals of time.
Not such a good thing as frequency's increase and temperature/current starts to degrade the signal timing
lets just call it fine tuning of a pulse modulated circuit for lack of better terminology.

[ChaosAD]

Besides I just recieved a nice kit of Mushkin ram that does 1250MHz so I would like to max my fsb and break 10k in Everest.

What kit is this Grn? 2x2Gb?

[Grnfinger]

What kit is this Grn? 2x2Gb?

Mushkin XP2-8500 2x2GB kit
going to test them tonight after my kids are in bed.

[Starage]

anyone please can help me to get 500 or more fsb, please need guide

Hey can you post some of your settings.

I am running my memory linked 1:1 @ 540.0 mhz.
The only voltage that is not on auto is CPU PLL, that is at 1.55volts.
CPU is running 8x multiplier.

[SiGfever]

Mushkin XP2-8500 2x2GB kit
going to test them tonight after my kids are in bed.

Thank you very much for stepping up to the plate and creating the ISO of the Maximus DVD for me. :clap: :clap:

[Grnfinger]

Thank you very much for stepping up to the plate and creating the ISO of the Maximus DVD for me. :clap: :clap:

My pleasure:up:
Glad to be able to help

[SiGfever]

Guys here is a little template for listing your settings when asking for assistance. I will do an Excel spreadsheet later so that you can track four-five different overclock settings at a time.


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 375
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-999MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 12
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.30
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.51325
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.11325
DRAM Voltage: 2.01200
North Bridge Voltage: 1.11325
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51325
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.11325

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[barong]

can someone post bios setting to run 8 x 525 /530 stable ,need help here

[barong]

this is mya setting failed in orthos blend at 15 minutes, need help


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 7
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-999MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disable
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: auto


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.325
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5000
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.25
DRAM Voltage: 2.15
North Bridge Voltage: auto
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: auto
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: auto

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 7
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Grnfinger]

Guys here is a little template for listing your settings when asking for assistance. I will do an Excel spreadsheet later so that you can track four-five different overclock settings at a time.



I have 2 stable setups I will post after work today,
3.825GHz
3.9GHz

Will post a 4.0GHz once I tweak some settings.

[screwtech02]

Have there been any significant clocks with a Q6600 with this board, or should i get a 94/9550???? :confused:

[kup]

How will this board do to improve my overclock versus a P5K-E with a Q6600 @ 3.825GHz (9x425) @ 1.504v? Will the 16 Phase CPU Power improve things at all? I'm looking for something close to 4GHz Folding Stable...

[barong]

need help i can pass orthos blend but when im trying 3dmark06 my pc always restart , please help

[Grnfinger]

How will this board do to improve my overclock versus a P5K-E with a Q6600 @ 3.825GHz (9x425) @ 1.504v? Will the 16 Phase CPU Power improve things at all? I'm looking for something close to 4GHz Folding Stable...

I'll toss my Q6700 in and run a few FSB tests for you if you like.
My Q9550 runs 3.825GHz MIIF @ 1.35v
Maximus X38 needed 1.35 for 3.6GHz if that helps you any.


need help i can pass orthos blend but when im trying 3dmark06 my pc always restart , please help

You need to post your bios setup b4 anyone can help you, hard to make suggestions when there is nothing to look at.

[Seewolf]

Do the new BIOS 1307 improve OC ?



I can´t run more than 489 Mhz FSB run Bench Stable with my Q9550 (901 BIOS)


So only 4158 Mhz (@1,4vcore) are possible to run through WPrime1024 and 3DMark


I´ve got problems to get my Q9550 Prime Stable over 3825 Mhz and 450 Mhz FSB - but I can bench 4158 Mhz with 1,4V :(

I want 3950 Mhz with 1,275V - but after 2 Minutes Small FFT everytime one Core get out.



Voltages are:

VCore 1,275V
PLL: 1,5265
FSB: 1,17950
NB: 1,35V

GTLs Auto,

I tried a lot of GTL combinations, but nothing was sucesfull

[Grnfinger]

Do the new BIOS 1307 improve OC ?



I can´t run more than 489 Mhz FSB run Bench Stable with my Q9550 (901 BIOS)


So only 4158 Mhz (@1,4vcore) are possible to run through WPrime1024 and 3DMark


I´ve got problems to get my Q9550 Prime Stable over 3825 Mhz and 450 Mhz FSB - but I can bench 4158 Mhz with 1,4V :(

I want 3950 Mhz with 1,275V - but after 2 Minutes Small FFT everytime one Core get out.



Voltages are:

VCore 1,275V
PLL: 1,5265
FSB: 1,17950
NB: 1,35V

GTLs Auto,

I tried a lot of GTL combinations, but nothing was sucesfull

GTL's are the key to stability on this board.
I'messed around for while trying to get the chip stable, dialed in the correct GTL's and its rock solid.
I dont really see any difference with 1307 from 701 or 802 I do believe its to add more memory compatability.

High FSB and running GTL's on auto I doubt you will ever get 4.0 stable

[electricl]

Hey Grn let us know when you have a template for 4GHz stable. Do you even think its possible with a Q9450? I messed around with it a little bit more today and got it to 3933MHz but it only passes 8 out of 10 tests in linpack. :down:







GTL's are the key to stability on this board.
I'messed around for while trying to get the chip stable, dialed in the correct GTL's and its rock solid.
I dont really see any difference with 1307 from 701 or 802 I do believe its to add more memory compatability.

High FSB and running GTL's on auto I doubt you will ever get 4.0 stable

[screwtech02]

Grnfinger, is there a "easy" way to calculate the gtl's for the board, or do you need to be a "rocket scientist"???? :D

[SiGfever]

I'll toss my Q6700 in and run a few FSB tests for you if you like.
My Q9550 runs 3.825GHz MIIF @ 1.35v
Maximus X38 needed 1.35 for 3.6GHz if that helps you any.



You need to post your bios setup b4 anyone can help you, hard to make suggestions when there is nothing to look at.
I am looking forward to this setup, I have a Q9550 also.

[Grnfinger]

3.825GHz 10 loop Linpack and Prime 8 hours stable

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Advanced 300ps
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Advanced 300ps


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1


3.9GHz Stable

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
FSB Frequency : 459
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1103
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Advanced 300ps
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Advanced 300ps


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.3875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.53975
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.1
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +30mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled


Some volts on 3.9 are a tad high, no tweaking time yet.
Will post a 4.0GHz stable setup later tonight, I have a Q6700 to test for kup first.

[kup]

Cool. Cheers Grn!

[Grnfinger]

Hey Grn let us know when you have a template for 4GHz stable. Do you even think its possible with a Q9450? I messed around with it a little bit more today and got it to 3933MHz but it only passes 8 out of 10 tests in linpack. :down:

your gtls need adjusting.
your chip might do 4.0GHz depending on volts/temps.

what FSB / multi and current gtls?

[SiGfever]

Grnfinger, is there a "easy" way to calculate the gtl's for the board, or do you need to be a "rocket scientist"???? :D

Here is a post on adjustments.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showpost.php?p=3162579&postcount=333

[Grnfinger]

thnx I was getting to that
lotta work tonight, seems the bastards saved it up for me. I'm flogged with it after my vacation.
if I do 1 more production forecast :nuts:

[barong]

@ Grnfinger

this is my setting , please guide me , it always crash on 3dmark06 but i can pass orthos blend

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: auto
NB Clock Skew: auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1002mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disable
MEM. OC Charger: auto
Ai Clock Twister: auto
Ai Transaction Booster: auto


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.375
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5000
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.27
DRAM Voltage: 2.15
North Bridge Voltage: 1.39
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: auto
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: auto

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -45
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -45
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: auto
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[The Nemesis]

Here are my settings but I'm still in the process of tweaking and lowering voltages.


Q9450L810B906
Asus Maximus Formula II BIOS 0901
Visontek 4850's crossfire
Cruical 2GB Kit PC8500 16F3's
OCZ ProXtreme 1000w

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : 8
FSB Frequency : 475
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge :[333 MHz]
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1141MHz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
DRAM Static Read Control: auto
DRAM Read Training: auto
MEM. OC Charger: auto
Ai Clock Twister : auto
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level: 9
PCIE Frequency: [100]
CPU Voltage : 1.35000v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50000v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.25900v
DRAM Voltage : 2.10475v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.25900v
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage : 1.50000v
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage : 1.10000v

CPU GTL Reference(0) : +20mV
CPU GTL Reference(1) : -15mV
CPU GTL Reference(2) : +20mV
CPU GTL Reference(3) : -15mV
NB GTL Reference : +30mV
DDR2 ChA REF Voltage : auto
DDR2 ChB REF Voltage : auto
North Bridge DDR2 REF: auto

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Support: Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel(R) Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibtration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum : Auto
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Auto


Advanced CPU Configuration


Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8219/20hrsprime38ghz135vgs4.jpg

Ran these same settings with C1E & CPU TM Function set to Enabled for 8hours after this by the way.

[electricl]

your gtls need adjusting.
your chip might do 4.0GHz depending on volts/temps.

what FSB / multi and current gtls?



Here is my current setup.
No matter what I do it wont be stable at 500fsb. The settings below are stable.


CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to NB: 333
FSB Freq: 475
PCIE Freq: 105
DRAM Freq: 951
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Dram Read Training : Auto
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Lighter
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled


CPU volt:1.32500
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52650
NB Voltage: 1.35175
DRAM Voltage: 2.17100
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.31200
SB Voltage: 1.1
SB 1.5 Voltage: 1.5

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +20mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[screwtech02]

Here is a post on adjustments.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showpost.php?p=3162579&postcount=333

Dude thnx for the hookup...... :cool:

[Grnfinger]

Here is my current setup.
No matter what I do it wont be stable at 500fsb. The settings below are stable.


CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to NB: 333 (keep the 333 strap)
FSB Freq: 500
PCIE Freq: 100
DRAM Freq: 1000
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Dram Read Training : Auto
MEM OC Charger : Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10] once stable reduce this value to 9 or 8

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled


CPU volt:1.35 and work up, you may need 1.40 if your chip scales poorly
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53975
NB Voltage: 1.39150
DRAM Voltage: 2.17100
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850
SB Voltage: 1.1
SB 1.5 Voltage: 1.5

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +40mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +40mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Suggestions are in bold
lmk how it works out.
going to post a 4.0GHz setup shortly

[electricl]

Suggestions are in bold
lmk how it works out.
going to post a 4.0GHz setup shortly


It boots fine until the vista loading screen is suppossed to show up then it goes all black. Tried upping the volts a little but it didnt help.

[Grnfinger]

It boots fine until the vista loading screen is suppossed to show up then it goes all black. Tried upping the volts a little but it didnt help.

try a higher PL maybe 12 -13?

[elsupremo]

Guys,
I bought this board and it's been a dream so far. I bought a new graphics card and now I'm having an odd problem - here's the situation.
I am watercooling my CPU. I put the board in, went into BIOS without doing any settings research on here, and overclocked to 4.0 Ghz (the same as I had been running on my old motherboard).
I simply changed the vcore, changed the RAM volts, FSB (400), ratio (10), disabled spread spectrum and all features on the CPU config page, set the ram ~800, turned off Mem OC charger.

I tested it and it was prime stable (blend and cpu only), 3dmark stable, games stable.

Yesterday, I bought a 4870 X2 and stuck it in. Computer would not post until I pulled out the power cord, put it back in, and restarted. It posted at reduced settings.
I took it to default settings and it booted no problems. I tried OC'd settings again and it failed. Next time, I tried only changing the minimum number of settings to achieve 4 ghz, leaving all the "extra" features on,
but I gave it some extra volts on the motherboard voltages. It booted no problem. I then put back the original OC'd settings, but with the higher voltages. It did not post. I went back in and turned on the 2 spread spectrum settings.
It posted, and I put the motherboard voltages back to stock, and it still posted. It passed all stability tests, although it felt perhaps a tad sluggish to me. I noticed also that it had scored 200 points lower on the CPU portion of the 3dmark test than it had with the old graphics card.

What's going on? This makes no sense to me - I've never heard of the graphics card affecting the overclock. Does anyone have any suggestions that might be useful, or insight as to what could be going on here?

[Grnfinger]

@ Grnfinger

this is my setting , please guide me , it always crash on 3dmark06 but i can pass orthos blend



I just posted a 8x500 setting try it and see how it goes, just change the multi to 8.5

[Legacy]

Guys,
I bought this board and it's been a dream so far. I bought a new graphics card and now I'm having an odd problem - here's the situation.
I am watercooling my CPU. I put the board in, went into BIOS without doing any settings research on here, and overclocked to 4.0 Ghz (the same as I had been running on my old motherboard).
I simply changed the vcore, changed the RAM volts, FSB (400), ratio (10), disabled spread spectrum and all features on the CPU config page, set the ram ~800, turned off Mem OC charger.

I tested it and it was prime stable (blend and cpu only), 3dmark stable, games stable.

Yesterday, I bought a 4870 X2 and stuck it in. Computer would not post until I pulled out the power cord, put it back in, and restarted. It posted at reduced settings.
I took it to default settings and it booted no problems. I tried OC'd settings again and it failed. Next time, I tried only changing the minimum number of settings to achieve 4 ghz, leaving all the "extra" features on,
but I gave it some extra volts on the motherboard voltages. It booted no problem. I then put back the original OC'd settings, but with the higher voltages. It did not post. I went back in and turned on the 2 spread spectrum settings.
It posted, and I put the motherboard voltages back to stock, and it still posted. It passed all stability tests, although it felt perhaps a tad sluggish to me. I noticed also that it had scored 200 points lower on the CPU portion of the 3dmark test than it had with the old graphics card.

What's going on? This makes no sense to me - I've never heard of the graphics card affecting the overclock. Does anyone have any suggestions that might be useful, or insight as to what could be going on here?

Might possibly be your PSU?

List your specs , so we can try to help you

[elsupremo]

QX9650 @ 4.0 Ghz
2 GB Gskill DDR2 @ 800 Mhz (stock basically)
of course Maximus II Formula @ 400 FSB
Cooler Master Real Power 850W PSU
Auzentech XPlosion DTS sound card
Creative X-fi Music sound card
Areca RAID controller

I just noticed that Windows Explorer has crashed the last couple times I started the computer. ???

Keep in mind, this has only happened since putting in this new GPU. Is there any way other than PSU that the GPU could be affecting the rest of the system like this?

[barong]

thx sir i will try thoose setting after work:D

[dctokyo]

I just noticed that Windows Explorer has crashed the last couple times I started the computer. ???

Keep in mind, this has only happened since putting in this new GPU. Is there any way other than PSU that the GPU could be affecting the rest of the system like this?

I do know that the 4870 X2 does not play nice with some boards, what BIOS version are you running? the latest is 1307

[elsupremo]

I upgraded tonight to 1307. Spent my whole night trying to fix this weird thing. Finally, I pulled out the 4870 X2 and put back in the GTX 280 and everything is working correctly again. It's like my system is allergic to the 4870! Very strange.

[Gambit_2K]

Hmm when running crossfire it does affect overclocking (there are crossfire overclock settings posted earlier in this thread) just like running 4x1GB vs. 2x2GB does affect clocking and volts. And the X2 is running internal crossfire. But you problems doses'nt seem to have anything to do with this. Give Asus a call?

[elsupremo]

Thank you to the couple of you who offered some help...here's an update after my night's adventures. While the ATI card was still in, I downloaded IntelBurnTest by AgentGOD and I couldn't get it to run for 1 second - it would immediately REBOOT the computer.
As I was saying, ever since I put in the ATI card, it felt like my system became very unstable - well here's proof of the pudding. I could not get IntelBurnTest to run with all my settings at stock/defaults. I tried tweaking them even to make it work - no luck.
After I put back in my GTX 280, I'm rock solid stable, passing the IntelBurnTest with flying colors - at 4 Ghz!
I don't know if it's just this card (I doubt it because the card was able to run 3dmarks and some games just fine) or if its an incompatibility with this motherboard, but I guess the beastly 4870 X2 is heading back to Fry's. I didn't need it that much anyway. :-(

[brenanh]

You may need to up your Northbridge voltage, the 4870X2 probably puts more stress on it than the GTX 280 and combined with 400fsb, might just push it over the edge if stock... What are your current voltages?

[elsupremo]

What I was saying earlier is that with ALL settings stock/default in BIOS, meaning stock/default FSB and stock voltages, the motherboard would not run stable with the 4870. It will, of course, with the GTX 280. With the 280, I can be very experimental with my settings and voltages and the computer will still run MUCH more stable than it does at stock with the 4870 X2. Like I said, the card was able to run 3dmarks and some games, so I don't think this particular card has a problem - although I could be wrong. It would be helpful if someone else had this card and this motherboard and could comment on their experience.

[genec57]

I have the 4850 with the Maximus II formula. I don't know how close they are but the 4850 is solid. It will not oc but I think that is a factor of temp. It runs in the high sixties at best. Once I get it under water I hope to be able to get more out of it.
The CPU is seriously overclocked as per sig.

[Slovnaft]

I have the 4850 with the Maximus II formula. I don't know how close they are but the 4850 is solid. It will not oc but I think that is a factor of temp. It runs in the high sixties at best. Once I get it under water I hope to be able to get more out of it.
The CPU is seriously overclocked as per sig.

It's not a factor of temp, it's a factor of voltage.

I have my 4850 on an accelero S1 with a 120 strapped to it. It loads at around 36C, but pretty much any overclock was unstable.

Pencil mod took care of that, now it's stable at 700/1200 and I'm sure I could get more if i took the time to mod through BIOS instead of CCC.

[brenanh]

What I was saying earlier is that with ALL settings stock/default in BIOS, meaning stock/default FSB and stock voltages, the motherboard would not run stable with the 4870. It will, of course, with the GTX 280. With the 280, I can be very experimental with my settings and voltages and the computer will still run MUCH more stable than it does at stock with the 4870 X2. Like I said, the card was able to run 3dmarks and some games, so I don't think this particular card has a problem - although I could be wrong. It would be helpful if someone else had this card and this motherboard and could comment on their experience.

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood.

Still, might be worth bumping the vNB to 1.3v with everything else on stock just to see... perhaps bios does not cater properly for that much single slot load? Clutching at straws I know, lol.

[elsupremo]

Thanks for your suggestions...I'm actually wondering if it's possible that the PSU is actually the problem. Either somehow too much power on a rail, or maybe the PSU is dying. I might buy another PSU just to see if it fixes the problem...

[vaderat-at]

It would be helpful if someone else had this card and this motherboard and could comment on their experience.

I upgraded from 8800GTX to 4870 X2 without any issues. First thing I did was uninstall the Nvidia drivers, power down, swap the cards and powered up into Windows. Installed the Catalyst Software Suite 8.8 (54.3MB) rebooted and that's that.

I was using bios 0901 at the time and have since flashed to 1301 and have still not run into any problems. My NB voltage is set to 1.28 in the bios.

Has your PSU got 8 pin PCIE connectors or are you using an adaptor? What's your PCIE Freq in bios set to? 100? Sorry for the obvious questions - Gotta cover all the angles.

[SiGfever]

your gtls need adjusting.
your chip might do 4.0GHz depending on volts/temps.

what FSB / multi and current gtls?

@Grnfinger,
What is the stepping on your Q9550?

[elsupremo]

I upgraded from 8800GTX to 4870 X2 without any issues. First thing I did was uninstall the Nvidia drivers, power down, swap the cards and powered up into Windows. Installed the Catalyst Software Suite 8.8 (54.3MB) rebooted and that's that.

I was using bios 0901 at the time and have since flashed to 1301 and have still not run into any problems. My NB voltage is set to 1.28 in the bios.

Has your PSU got 8 pin PCIE connectors or are you using an adaptor? What's your PCIE Freq in bios set to? 100? Sorry for the obvious questions - Gotta cover all the angles.

Thank you for sharing.
I am using an adaptor that combines 2 6 pin PCIE plugs. My PSU came with 4 6 pin PCIe cables.
Not once have I messed with NB voltage. Perhaps that is an issue?

PCI Freq always set to 100.

Any help is appreciated! :)

[brenanh]

Won't hurt to try 1.3v NB, you never know! :-)

Gotta be either that or the power feed I'd say....

[Grnfinger]

@Grnfinger,
What is the stepping on your Q9550?

C1 :( but its still better than the E0 8600 I have, that was alot of hype for nothing other than to drain my wallet

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/3900_MIIF.jpg


Thank you for sharing.
I am using an adaptor that combines 2 6 pin PCIE plugs. My PSU came with 4 6 pin PCIe cables.
Not once have I messed with NB voltage. Perhaps that is an issue?

PCI Freq always set to 100.

Any help is appreciated! :)

Do you have another mobo to run the 4870X2 card on?
the fact that it wont run with stock bios settings is disturbing, and makes me lean towards the card. Could be the PSU but if it runs the nvidia card it makes me still lean towards the 4870
You could try upping NB volts but I doubt its the issue.
What brand of card is it?

[64dragon]

Thank you for sharing.
I am using an adaptor that combines 2 6 pin PCIE plugs. My PSU came with 4 6 pin PCIe cables.
Not once have I messed with NB voltage. Perhaps that is an issue?

PCI Freq always set to 100.

Any help is appreciated! :)

did you uninstall the nvidia drivers before putting in the 4870? the nvidia card may not care if the ati drivers are there but the ati card may not like it if the nvidia drivers are still installed. like the others that comented, just throwing out random and easily over looked stuff

[The Nemesis]

@elsupremo your issue is simple. Your psu doesn't have sufficient power to maintain your overclock with the 4870X2 in. I ran into the same problem when I upgraded from my BFG 8800GTX to BFG 280GTX. All I did was drop the card in & load drivers. Thought the system was stable it was not prime stable. I tried upping the voltages a bit with no success. Then I took a look @ my prime screenshots with the previous configuration and noticed the 12v rail idled below 12v with the 280GTX. I upgraded my 700w OCZ to a 1000w Antec(was on sale) and the problem went away. All my previous saved prime bios configurations worked. My advice would be to try a new psu perhaps a Corsair model.

[elsupremo]

Thank you for those of you that have offered advice so far. I really appreciate your thoughts. I went out and bought a Corsair 1000W, thinking that PSU problems were the only thing that made sense. The new PSU did not change a single result. I suppose at this point I have to look at the card, but why would the card be able to run 3dmarks (and get a very nice score, mind you - 22.4K) if it has a problem? I should note that when the OC fails, invariably, the LCD shows it is hung on "VGA BIOS". When this card is in, at stock speeds I can get into Windows and run some stuff (no artificating, looks correct/beautiful), but like I said, it still isn't stable. Perhaps this brand's BIOS on this card is incompatible here? Maybe the other 4870 X2 users with this board are using a different brand. I'm clutching at straws, but the options here are narrowing.

With the Corsair in, I did try some different settings (different FSB to achieve similar speed, increased NB voltage) and nothing helped. Let me know if you have any other ideas, or if there are any settings I should change that might be causing this phenomenon. Thank you! Otherwise, the Corsair and the X2 are going back to the store.

P.S. It is a Diamond 4870 X2, btw.

[warpete]

I've now had my Maximus II Formula board for a few weeks. At first I simply installed everything and then started my burn-in process. My NB temp went through the roof (above 80ºC). I should have known better. I removed the heatsink and there was the normal Pond Scum Compound imported from some swamp in Louisianna. I chipped that away that and applied MX2 compound--but I noticed something I didn't like AT ALL (Gigabyte has done the same thing). First, you have your naked NB and apply compound to it. Then, the heat-pipe apparatus is installed which places a copper block on the NB. Lastly--ANOTHER layer of thermal compound on the copper block--and then the finned heat-sink is installed. A very reliable review and testing site really slamed Gigabyte for doing this exact thing, but never mentioned Asus. What kind of cooling can we expect when the heat must travel through TWO layers of compound? Should I decide to watercool my NB, I would have to completely remove the entire heat-pipe assembly which covers the NB, SB and MOSFETS etc.. I left the heat-pipe as is, and I have two layers of MX2 instead of the rock-hard Pond Scum on the NB. I attached a small fan to blow directly in the NB Heatsink fins to help remove some of the heat. Now, as I type this, my NB temp is at 52ºC and my SB is 49ºC. My Intel E8600 CPU is reported at 21ºC if you can believe that, while my MB is at 34ºC. PC Probe absolutely sucks. No matter what I do I can not get the Asus AI Suite to load (Windows XP) and the Six Engine freezes when I try to "Calibrate". This is on a clean install of XP Pro. Asus software is pathetic, to say the least. So---I am going to uninstall all the Asus software and do any overclocking directly in the 0901 BIOS which is fairly easy. I wanted to let people know that if their intentions are to watercool anything other than their CPU and GPU, they better take a closer look at how to do it. I must say, though, that this board has been rock-solid stable regardless of temps (which are very acceptable now). Right now, on air--I can easily top 4GHz with this E8600 CPU (E0 Stepping). This is with NO voltage adjustments (except RAM)whatsoever. Of course, I'm using Cell Shock Memory (MemoryC.com) and I believe it's the best in the world at the moment. The RAM heatsinks are BOLTED together--none of this thermal cement crap. Anyway, the Asus Maximus II Formula is quite possibly the best MB Asus has manufactured in a long, long time. I can easily deal with the NB Temp problem. PC Pitstop full tests reports my 'Puter to be in the top 2%, and I just have an ATI HD4870 (not HD4870x2). This board can keep up with the X38's and x48's. Even with Crossfire not being a TRUE 16x2 on this board (it reverts to 8x2), the benchmarking of Crossfire on this board and on the X48 boards is still very, very close. I am very, very happy with this Asus Maximus II Formula board!

[chiman2]

My temps are fine. I idle at 40 on both northbridge and southbridge.

[The Nemesis]

@elsupremo

Are you comfortable flashing the bios of your video card? I wonder if flashing to an asus bios would help?

**Edit**

Aren't any @ techpower up but there are ATI and others

[warpete]

Seems stock NB & Mosfets heatsinks are removable without removing heatpipes!
Sweat, but do you think MCW30 & MIPS P5E Mosfets waterblocks will fit on top of heatpipe?

You can do what you are asking, but I would not suggest it. First--the NB. The heat-pipe assembly is one large piece. The NB gets compound (get rid of the Pond scum and apply your own compound) and a a large copper block encased in the heat pipe assembly sits on the NB. Then, you have ANOTHER layer of compound to apply before installing the finned heatsink on top of the copper block, (which is installed on top of the NB). That's TWO layers of compound that heat must try to infiltrate. Gigabyte has the same setup. The MOSFETT finned heatsinks sit on TOP of the HEATPIPE and mine had little contact (also Pond scum). This means there is also compound UNDER the heatsink to make contact with the MOSFETTS. Another TWO layers of compound. So, the only way I can see to efficiently install your own MCW30 etc., is to completely remove the heatpipe assembly. Let me add that after chipping away the patented Asus Pond Scum imported from a secret Pond in Louisanna, and applying Arctic Cooling MX2 compound (to ALL areas), my temps drastically improved. I mean DRASTICALLY! Please don't misunderstand--the Asus Maximus II Formula is one of the best boards Asus has ever made and it can easily keep up with the X38/X48 boards. The heat-pipe assembly is very, very pretty, but really is not as effective as Asus would like you to believe. For instance, with my board--the solid copper block embedded in the heat-pipe assembly (for the NB), was installed at a slight angle, meaning it wasn't flat. It didn't make complete contact with the NB chip and in order to have the NB finned heatsink make complete contact with the top of the copper block, I had to put thermal compound on very think on the "lower" side. I eventually was able to force the copper block to lay flat, so---just beware. I think most buyers of this board would probably be just fine the way it is straight out of the box, but I know from experience of the "Pond Scum" issue, and I want the best thermal solution I can get. I have no problems with the current heat-pipe assembly, getting my Intel E8600 CPU past 4GHz on air with no voltage adjustments other than RAM. That is really SWEET. Soon, I will cool everything with water and go for the 5GHz mark.

[barong]

@Grnfinger

i already tried this setting, but it wont pass dual super pi 32mb , any other setting? to reach 500x8.5 or 525x8 for 24/7 im using 1307 bios

CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to NB: 333 (keep the 333 strap)
FSB Freq: 500
PCIE Freq: 100
DRAM Freq: 1000
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Dram Read Training : Auto
MEM OC Charger : Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10] once stable reduce this value to 9 or 8

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled


CPU volt:1.35 and work up, you may need 1.40 if your chip scales poorly
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.53975
NB Voltage: 1.39150
DRAM Voltage: 2.17100
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.33850
SB Voltage: 1.1
SB 1.5 Voltage: 1.5

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +40mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +40mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[kwalker]

C1 :( but its still better than the E0 8600 I have, that was alot of hype for nothing other than to drain my wallet


Same experience here with my C1 stepping 9550
a lot of CPU for the money :up:


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa283/kwalker50/09-11-2008_21-02-53.png

[The Nemesis]

I wish they'd just make a motherboard that could hit 500FSB 12-24hr Prime stable with 45nm quad. Our systems are fsb limited for hitting 4GHz. If a cpu can do 3.6GHz with 1.25v @load typically it would do 4GHz @ 1.4v-1.45v if it didn't hit a wall.

[kwalker]

I wish they'd just make a motherboard that could hit 500FSB 12-24hr Prime stable with 45nm quad. Our systems are fsb limited for hitting 4GHz. If a cpu can do 3.6GHz with 1.25v @load typically it would do 4GHz @ 1.4v-1.45v if it didn't hit a wall.

They are doing better :D
The only wall I seem to hit is at 500 FSB.
I can post and play around in windows but Its short lived.
A least 500 is possible on a 45 nm quad.

[The Nemesis]

I can't boot @ 500 but I can use setfsb or aisuite to get there but no where near stable not even for Pi. It's just cheaper than buying a higher multiplier cpu. I'm not gonna purchase another 45nm Quad. I'll probably go through a few E0 8X00's though before & after nethlam. One thing I've noticed though. The P45 clocks the 45nm quad with alot less voltage than the X38 P35 or nividia offerings. It's definitely a good chipset if your looking for features efficiency and MHz. Not so good performance at same clocks vs the others though.

[kwalker]

The only thing I miss about my Maximus formula is the 16X Crossfire .
you loose a little at 8X + 8X but make up the difference in raw MHz

[CryptiK]

My maximus II formula just turned up. So did my 2 kits of D9 GKX equipped cellshock. Should be a good night :D

I hope this board is fully functional unlike my P5Q-Deluxe was.

[vaderat-at]

I suppose at this point I have to look at the card, but why would the card be able to run 3dmarks (and get a very nice score, mind you - 22.4K) if it has a problem? I should note that when the OC fails, invariably, the LCD shows it is hung on "VGA BIOS". When this card is in, at stock speeds I can get into Windows and run some stuff (no artificating, looks correct/beautiful), but like I said, it still isn't stable. Perhaps this brand's BIOS on this card is incompatible here? Maybe the other 4870 X2 users with this board are using a different brand. I'm clutching at straws, but the options here are narrowing.

Mine is a Powercolor brand. Maybe the best thing to do is try another 4870 X2 card if possible. Let us know how you get on.

I see some people setting the NB to 1.39. Isn't that quite high for P45 chipset?
I thought they could run high FSB with around 1.24 - 1.30.

[Grnfinger]

You can do what you are asking, but I would not suggest it. First--the NB. The heat-pipe assembly is one large piece. The NB gets compound (get rid of the Pond scum and apply your own compound) and a a large copper block encased in the heat pipe assembly sits on the NB. Then, you have ANOTHER layer of compound to apply before installing the finned heatsink on top of the copper block, (which is installed on top of the NB). That's TWO layers of compound that heat must try to infiltrate. Gigabyte has the same setup. The MOSFETT finned heatsinks sit on TOP of the HEATPIPE and mine had little contact (also Pond scum). This means there is also compound UNDER the heatsink to make contact with the MOSFETTS. Another TWO layers of compound. So, the only way I can see to efficiently install your own MCW30 etc., is to completely remove the heatpipe assembly. Let me add that after chipping away the patented Asus Pond Scum imported from a secret Pond in Louisanna, and applying Arctic Cooling MX2 compound (to ALL areas), my temps drastically improved. I mean DRASTICALLY! Please don't misunderstand--the Asus Maximus II Formula is one of the best boards Asus has ever made and it can easily keep up with the X38/X48 boards. The heat-pipe assembly is very, very pretty, but really is not as effective as Asus would like you to believe. For instance, with my board--the solid copper block embedded in the heat-pipe assembly (for the NB), was installed at a slight angle, meaning it wasn't flat. It didn't make complete contact with the NB chip and in order to have the NB finned heatsink make complete contact with the top of the copper block, I had to put thermal compound on very think on the "lower" side. I eventually was able to force the copper block to lay flat, so---just beware. I think most buyers of this board would probably be just fine the way it is straight out of the box, but I know from experience of the "Pond Scum" issue, and I want the best thermal solution I can get. I have no problems with the current heat-pipe assembly, getting my Intel E8600 CPU past 4GHz on air with no voltage adjustments other than RAM. That is really SWEET. Soon, I will cool everything with water and go for the 5GHz mark.

I would have to disagree with you, my MCW30 sits rather nicely on my NB thank you,
32c idle and 38c load temps tell me my waterblock is doing the job rather well.
I'm not sure what exactly your refurring to about the thermal paste Asus applied. It wiped right off without any effort. No chipping required:rofl:

[Nunzi]

Lanport 1 just died on me, should I be concern.............. enabled port 2 all is working fine

[CryptiK]

I have my board set up now and I'm stable at 4GHz / DDR 1113 MHz, however I have an issue.

When I restart the pc from windows, it fails to post, I just get a black screen. It also happens when I go into the bios for a second time and try to alter a setting. After the cmos has been cleared, I can set the 4GHz overclock, and it reboots fine, just anytime after that it wont. Also when I power off the pc & go to turn it on again it wont post. I also noticed when it doesn't post it doesnt cycle the voltage lights like it does while posting normally.

I have tried bioses 0504, 0604, 1307 and they all do it.

Any advice?

[FinnEire]

I have my board set up now and I'm stable at 4GHz / DDR 1113 MHz, however I have an issue.

When I restart the pc from windows, it fails to post, I just get a black screen. It also happens when I go into the bios for a second time and try to alter a setting. After the cmos has been cleared, I can set the 4GHz overclock, and it reboots fine, just anytime after that it wont. Also when I power off the pc & go to turn it on again it wont post. I also noticed when it doesn't post it doesnt cycle the voltage lights like it does while posting normally.

I have tried bioses 0504, 0604, 1307 and they all do it.

Any advice?

I know it is not the same board but my P5Q-E did the exact same when I was either too aggressive with my RAM timings @ 4.2 GHz (PL set too low or Clock twist set at anything more than "moderate"), or not enough volts to either NB or memory.

[vaderat-at]

When I restart the pc from windows, it fails to post, I just get a black screen. It also happens when I go into the bios for a second time and try to alter a setting. After the cmos has been cleared, I can set the 4GHz overclock, and it reboots fine, just anytime after that it wont. Also when I power off the pc & go to turn it on again it wont post. I also noticed when it doesn't post it doesnt cycle the voltage lights like it does while posting normally.

What FSB strap and CPU multi are you using?
I have noticed with my setup if I use 1:1 FSB and the default multi I have had the same problem as you. I fixed that by running 266MHz strap or Auto. Seems to have done the trick.

[CryptiK]

The 24/7 setting I want to run is 445 FSB, 9x multi and 266 strap giving 1116MHz ram speed.

I have tried all multi's from 6 to 9, but I have not set the strap manually, but I have tried 1:1, 4:5 etc memory dividers by selecting various ram speeds with strap set to AUTO (which should be changing the strap depending on what ram speed I have selected) and it still does it all the time - no matter what I set it refuses to reboot.

I could try selecting the strap manually but I doubt that will change anything.

[vaderat-at]

I have tried all multi's from 6 to 9, but I have not set the strap manually, but I have tried 1:1, 4:5 etc memory dividers by selecting various ram speeds with strap set to AUTO (which should be changing the strap depending on what ram speed I have selected) and it still does it all the time - no matter what I set it refuses to reboot.


I still think it could be a multi / strap issue. What's NB voltage set to in the bios?
Try disabling DRAM static read control if it isn't already.

[CryptiK]

Thanks for the suggestions, but I just played with it for awhile and I think I have worked out the issue. I'm pretty sure it is the vFSB:vNB ratio. I am using a low vFSB (1.12v) and if I set the vNB above 1.25v, it wont reboot properly. I have it set at 1.23v now, and it seems to be working ok. I have rebooted, gone into bios, saved changes (although I didn't change anything), rebooted etc a few times in a row, and every time it reboots, but as soon as I push the vNB over 1.25v, no go.

Strange, but I have read about the need to have vFSB and vNB set close together, so perhaps these boards are sensitive to it?

[vaderat-at]

Strange, but I have read about the need to have vFSB and vNB set close together, so perhaps these boards are sensitive to it?

I have read that also but your settings of 1.12:1.23 isn't as close as I have read they should be and it's working. I think the NB voltage is very sensitve on the P45's though. I played around with a P5Q Deluxe and anything below 1.22 or above 1.3 would cause it to act up.

BTW I have my vFSB @ 1.24 and vNB @ 1.28.

[CryptiK]

Yes, I thought the gap was larger than suggested, I am obviously at the biggest allowable difference between the vFSB/vNB at my current setting. I'm a little apprehensive to run my vFSB out of spec (1.15v is intel's recommended max) as I'd like to keep this cpu for work purposes and until I get a second cpu to play with and abuse, I want to keep the voltages safe.

On my P5Q-Deluxe, I was running 1.11v vFSB: 1.26v vNB and it was fine, although <1.20v and > 1.32v caused issues for me. I think the P45's are very sensitive.

On another note, my cpu fan control is not working, I'm on 0604 bios. Is this something that is rectified in the 1307 bios?

EDIT - one more thing - is the ROG light on the NB heatsink and the XFi card supposed to stay lit when the pc is off but has power to the mainboard?

[Seewolf]

Yes, the LEDs are on, when power is on the Board

[Etihtsarom]

Hello,
Just need to confirm that the Mushkin 2x2GB works well with this board. I've tried dominators 4x1GB and 2x2GB and they do not work well. Please let me know before I pull the trigger on newegg. The product is found here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146789
Thanks.

[Etihtsarom]

Thank you very much for stepping up to the plate and creating the ISO of the Maximus DVD for me. :clap: :clap:

Hi guys,
Sorry I searched this thread for a link to that ISO but wasn't able to find it. Would you mind pointing me to that please? Mine came openbox from Newegg without anything at all. thanks.

[Grnfinger]

Hello,
Just need to confirm that the Mushkin 2x2GB works well with this board. I've tried dominators 4x1GB and 2x2GB and they do not work well. Please let me know before I pull the trigger on newegg. The product is found here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146789
Thanks.

I have the XP2-8500 2x2GB kit, it works very well, I am sure they will work
I also run Domintors on this board and have zero issues with them, perhaps your dimms are bad?
I find the Dominators the best kit for the board personally.

You wont find any link for the MIIF DVD, its 2.25GBs
I made an image and let him DL from my FTP.

[Etihtsarom]

Thanks for your timely reply. I will take your advice and order the Mushkin. As for the DVD Iso, I asked because after installing the drivers I downloaded from Asus' website, I still have one unknown device on the computer, so I wanted to see what was on the DVD that I didn't get from the site. In any event, rightclicking shows the device's location to be "on Intel(R) ICH10R LPC Interface Controller - " which seems to imply that the southbridge chip may not have been installed. But I do show ICH10 Family 2 and 4 port serial ATA storage controllers installed. Any idea?

[Grnfinger]

Thanks for your timely reply. I will take your advice and order the Mushkin. As for the DVD Iso, I asked because after installing the drivers I downloaded from Asus' website, I still have one unknown device on the computer, so I wanted to see what was on the DVD that I didn't get from the site. In any event, rightclicking shows the device's location to be "on Intel(R) ICH10R LPC Interface Controller - " which seems to imply that the southbridge chip may not have been installed. But I do show ICH10 Family 2 and 4 port serial ATA storage controllers installed. Any idea?

On my old A8N-SLI Deluxe mobo if you did a clean install of the os and did not insert the mobo disk the unkown divice would show in device manager.
Pop the disk in for a few seconds and it would be gone.
So I can only assume its the same issue, if you cannot get a disk from Asus or the egg, lmk and I'll give you FTP ax to grab it from.

[zanzabar]

it looks like there is a new king of p45
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Product/Motherboard/Digitallife08/index_ELA.htm

[TouGe]

it looks like there is a new king of p45
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Product/Motherboard/Digitallife08/index_ELA.htm

I'm confused, when you scroll down they show either dual x16 bandwidth or 3 x8 bandwidth, is this true or am I just misunderstanding something?

I can see it now, MIIF Extreme w/ crosslink $350!!!!

[TouGe]

The 24/7 setting I want to run is 445 FSB, 9x multi and 266 strap giving 1116MHz ram speed.

I have tried all multi's from 6 to 9, but I have not set the strap manually, but I have tried 1:1, 4:5 etc memory dividers by selecting various ram speeds with strap set to AUTO (which should be changing the strap depending on what ram speed I have selected) and it still does it all the time - no matter what I set it refuses to reboot.

I could try selecting the strap manually but I doubt that will change anything.

I don't know if you have this issue resolved or not but the only issues I've had while trying to get high FSB w/ this board was due to a combination of PL and Clock Twister for a given NBv.
The board would act weird if I had set PL to 8 while I had Clock Twister set to Strong w/ a NBv of 1.28 or less. Once I dropped the Clock Twister down to moderate all the weirdness disappeared.

[zanzabar]

I'm confused, when you scroll down they show either dual x16 bandwidth or 3 x8 bandwidth, is this true or am I just misunderstanding something?

I can see it now, MIIF Extreme w/ crosslink $350!!!!

thats what cross link dose u can disable a slot to gain bandwidth so u can reconfigure the slots in the bios, its nothing new

[TouGe]

thats what cross link dose u can disable a slot to gain bandwidth so u can reconfigure the slots in the bios, its nothing new

Yeah, I know what crosslink does but I guess I am a little confused as to why Asus didn't release this with their flagship P45 and slightly surprised to see it come from Foxconn first.

[dctokyo]

EDIT - one more thing - is the ROG light on the NB heatsink and the XFi card supposed to stay lit when the pc is off but has power to the mainboard?

The LED to the ROG is turn on by default in the BIOS, you can turn of the LED if you wish.

[CryptiK]

Cheers I figured out how to turn it off, it' s much better without it.

So does anyone have any issues with their CPU Fan Speed Control? Mine doesn't work at all, the fan stays at the same speed regardless of what I choose.

Also BIOS 1307 seems to have lower memory performance than 0604 at exactly the same settings. I lost 50 - 70 MB/s in read/copy when I upgraded.

Here's my 24/7 settings:

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/4GHz-DDR1113-PL8MIIF2.jpg

[Seewolf]

Board is working fine now :D


495 Mhz FSB Bench Stable with Q9550 @ 4,2 Ghz

http://www.abload.de/thumb/3d0623932wfq.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=3d0623932wfq.jpg)


But I ve´ got stil problems to get more than 450 Mhz FSB Prime Stable :(

[trt740]

formula

[CryptiK]

Lower voltages on the P45 chipset to hit higher FSB, and cooler running. However, the performance you get on the X38 may be better / similar to the M2F.

How do your benchmarks compare to ones you have seen of the M2F?

[barong]

anyone have bios setting to run 525 x 8 stable , need help

[vab206]

so, im new to the whole intel scene (last one i owned was a pentium... yes just a pentium lol 75mhz ftw!) and im running 450FSB with 400 strap @ 1199 Dram Speed. ive got the e8400 and 2x1GB dominator kit rev 1.2. it seems like anything over 1200 dram speed causes my system to hang (even after tweaking the fsb to get 1220 dram speed) i have vdimm set at 2.2 (i think 2.19xxx real). but even after adjusting to as close as the stock speeds i can get while keeping 450fsb ive noticed that any timings below the stock 5-5-5-18 cause the system to hang on startup. the lcd poster hangs at DET DRAM when i use 4-4-4-12 for example. but a restart and resetting the sticks back to stock timings fixes the issue. this is my 1st set of micron chips (im assuming their microns) my old ddr2-800 5-5-5-18 set (not dominators, just DHX set) ran like champs at 600mhz 4-4-4-12, am i expecting too much out of these chips and more what im trying to figure out is what do intel's like, tighter clocks or higher speeds?

[vab206]

since this is the maximus II formula thread i think ill mention that the zalman 9500A is a pain to say the least to get onto this board, i finally managed to do it though using a east/west socket retention orientation and running the clip through the heatsink along with the way the fan blows. i had to modify the 775 clip (part #8 i believe) by cutting down the lip that curls under with my dremel so it would actually clear the heatpipe coming up on the right side of the socket. and i also had to turn it around backwards (make sure to do this if your going to put one on there) so that it wouldn't hit the fan (i found out the hard way and had to take it off and reseat it.)

[Grnfinger]

formula

Maximus X38 is crap compared to this board.
Rampage is a better board I dont own it but I would say from what I have seen form the rampage, the Maximus II is a better board.

45nm chips will benifit from this board, my Q9550 runs higher FSB at much lowr volts.
The board runs much cooler than the X38, ram requires less volts for same speed, I would recommend this board to anyone.


Board is working fine now :D


495 Mhz FSB Bench Stable with Q9550 @ 4,2 Ghz




But I ve´ got stil problems to get more than 450 Mhz FSB Prime Stable :(

most ppl can bench a high fsb with board....means not to much.
anything above 450FSB and GTL's will need to be dialed in correctly or your never going to get it stable.
Correct GTL's and PLL is your friend on this board.



so, im new to the whole intel scene (last one i owned was a pentium... yes just a pentium lol 75mhz ftw!) and im running 450FSB with 400 strap @ 1199 Dram Speed. ive got the e8400 and 2x1GB dominator kit rev 1.2. it seems like anything over 1200 dram speed causes my system to hang (even after tweaking the fsb to get 1220 dram speed) i have vdimm set at 2.2 (i think 2.19xxx real). but even after adjusting to as close as the stock speeds i can get while keeping 450fsb ive noticed that any timings below the stock 5-5-5-18 cause the system to hang on startup. the lcd poster hangs at DET DRAM when i use 4-4-4-12 for example. but a restart and resetting the sticks back to stock timings fixes the issue. this is my 1st set of micron chips (im assuming their microns) my old ddr2-800 5-5-5-18 set (not dominators, just DHX set) ran like champs at 600mhz 4-4-4-12, am i expecting too much out of these chips and more what im trying to figure out is what do intel's like, tighter clocks or higher speeds?

My Corsair Dominators 2x1GBs do 1225MHz at 5-5-5-15 all day long mine are version 1.1 :up:

DET DRAM is a PL issue, to low of a PL for your strap and you get DET DRAM.
Raise your PL and it will go away, 4-4-4-12 will not play well on high FSB Corsair ram will not like it much.
My suggeestion is to run 333 strap and set ram at 1080MHZ 5-5-5-15 PL 8 , I think you'll find your DET DRAM will be gone.

[Starage]

so, im new to the whole intel scene (last one i owned was a pentium... yes just a pentium lol 75mhz ftw!) and im running 450FSB with 400 strap @ 1199 Dram Speed. ive got the e8400 and 2x1GB dominator kit rev 1.2. it seems like anything over 1200 dram speed causes my system to hang (even after tweaking the fsb to get 1220 dram speed) i have vdimm set at 2.2 (i think 2.19xxx real). but even after adjusting to as close as the stock speeds i can get while keeping 450fsb ive noticed that any timings below the stock 5-5-5-18 cause the system to hang on startup. the lcd poster hangs at DET DRAM when i use 4-4-4-12 for example. but a restart and resetting the sticks back to stock timings fixes the issue. this is my 1st set of micron chips (im assuming their microns) my old ddr2-800 5-5-5-18 set (not dominators, just DHX set) ran like champs at 600mhz 4-4-4-12, am i expecting too much out of these chips and more what im trying to figure out is what do intel's like, tighter clocks or higher speeds?


Hey. I am new to the Intel chip set my self. I have run Nvidia chip sets only since my old P3 800 system. But I found my move to Intel P45 the best one I ever done. I have OCZ Flex ddr2-1200, linked 1:1 running with 560 fsb. I have found more gain with a higher fsb than clock speed of my ram. I have never had any luck with ram running over manufactures specs. Best of luck with yours.

[vab206]

my corsair ram i have running on my amd system loved 4-4-4-12 @ 1200mhz ddr2. they were stock plain jane 5-5-5-18 sticks 1.8v ddr2-800. im gonna try them in my system and see how they perform. for record they were elepedia (sp?) chips rev 2.3

[Starage]

Wow that is nice oc for that ram. My OCZ sticks are not like the old sticks. Some different ic's on thiese ones. CPU-Z shows them to be PC2-5300, ocz just set them to run at 600 vs 333.

[elsupremo]

Here is an update on my battle to get a 4870 X2 into my system.
- I did flash my Diamond 4870 X2 to a Powercolor - it did not change anything.
- I actually returned my Diamond and purchased a Visiontek 4870 X2. I have the SAME problems exactly. The motherboard is NOT stable at stock settings with the 4870 X2. Aside from any stress tests, the USB's are connecting and disconnecting and acting improper, as a sign of my motherboard suffering.
- When I tried IntelBurnTest at stock settings, it would reboot my system almost immediately. After trying different things, I finally was able to pass IntelBurnTest successfully at stock settings with the exception of one: CPU volts. I had to overvolt my CPU at stock to get it to pass. However, USB is still messed up and acting funny.
- I've tried 2 different models of Gskill DDR2, I'm about to try another brand of DDR2 in a moment to see if that changes anything. Not that it makes any sense.
- While playing some games with the GTX 280 in there, I saw a couple glitches and suspicious behaviors that led me to suspect the system is not totally stable even with the GTX280 in there, even though it is at 4 ghz, passes all stress tests, and has no other obvious ailments. It could be my imagination and could be due to some other variables. The glitches were small; but at this point, I'm suspicious of the motherboard.
- I'm going to take anything extra out of the system right now, change the memory, and see if it fixes it. If not, unless someone else has another BIOS setting to try, I'm going to RMA this board. It simply must have a physical problem that is causing it to "die" when the 4870 X2 is put in, even at stock settings.

[Hon]

does this bored still have North bridge and south bridge overheating issues? or did Asus fix that?

[CryptiK]

Stable 24/7 settings (same voltages required as on my P5Q-Deluxe)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F4GHz-DDR1113-PL8MIIFLinpackstabl.jpg

500FSB / DDR1200 (no hangs here >/= 1200, I have been up to 1220 so far without an issue)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/M2F4GHz500FSBDDR12002.jpg

*I do have an issue - when i go to burn a CD, Nero says my DVD drive is not in DMA mode, but I can't see anywhere in the bios to change it, as the bios only detects sata devices. If I enable DMA through nero, then reboot, it does not apply the change, and tells me again the drive is not in DMA mode when I use nero again.

When I burnt the CD it had clicks/distortion throughout it. This did not happen with the P5Q-Deluxe. Anyone else experience this problem?

**EDIT - I just played the CD I burnt on my stereo and it's fine, so it's just the pc making clicks and noise in the sound when reading from an audio CD, as if it cannot read it properly.

[lowdog]

Here is an update on my battle to get a 4870 X2 into my system.
- I did flash my Diamond 4870 X2 to a Powercolor - it did not change anything.
- I actually returned my Diamond and purchased a Visiontek 4870 X2. I have the SAME problems exactly. The motherboard is NOT stable at stock settings with the 4870 X2. Aside from any stress tests, the USB's are connecting and disconnecting and acting improper, as a sign of my motherboard suffering.
- When I tried IntelBurnTest at stock settings, it would reboot my system almost immediately. After trying different things, I finally was able to pass IntelBurnTest successfully at stock settings with the exception of one: CPU volts. I had to overvolt my CPU at stock to get it to pass. However, USB is still messed up and acting funny.
- I've tried 2 different models of Gskill DDR2, I'm about to try another brand of DDR2 in a moment to see if that changes anything. Not that it makes any sense.
- While playing some games with the GTX 280 in there, I saw a couple glitches and suspicious behaviors that led me to suspect the system is not totally stable even with the GTX280 in there, even though it is at 4 ghz, passes all stress tests, and has no other obvious ailments. It could be my imagination and could be due to some other variables. The glitches were small; but at this point, I'm suspicious of the motherboard.
- I'm going to take anything extra out of the system right now, change the memory, and see if it fixes it. If not, unless someone else has another BIOS setting to try, I'm going to RMA this board. It simply must have a physical problem that is causing it to "die" when the 4870 X2 is put in, even at stock settings.


What PSU are you using????......and did you try another PSU?????.

Either your PSU is inadequate, your ram is dodgy, your not setting all your voltages correctly oor your mobo is a dud.

I'd first look at the PSU, then your ram and voltage settings..

[elsupremo]

What PSU are you using????......and did you try another PSU?????.

Either your PSU is inadequate, your ram is dodgy, your not setting all your voltages correctly oor your mobo is a dud.

I'd first look at the PSU, then your ram and voltage settings..

Yes, in a previous post I detailed that I bought a new Corsair 1000W PSU (over my current CM Real Power Pro 850W) and it did not fix anything - my PSU is fine.

I've tried 3 sets of RAM, they were all Gskill, although different models. I've experimented with a very wide range of voltages - and keep in mind when I have the GTX 280 in, it's stable at 4 ghz very easily.

[CryptiK]

If it's stable with the GTX 280, I'd be leaning towards bios - perhaps an incompatibility with that particular card. Have you tried the latest BIOS 1307?

[elsupremo]

Yes, I am running 1307. Also, others here have the same card and are running it without these difficulties. Remember I have tried TWO different 4870 X2's and have had the same problems.

An interesting update - I'm having more luck getting it into Windows by experimenting with different FSB's. 400 FSB x 10 (what I use for my GTX 280 stable settings) won't work at all with this card in there. 365 x 11, 410 x10 and 420 x 10 will, although I can't get any of them stable. It's very weird that the graphics card would have this effect, isn't it?

[vab206]

ya, my other memory wont even boot on this board @ 4-4-4-12 everything else set to auto, even running 5-5-5-18 they wont get up to the 1200 they were running at on my amd board :( o well

[CryptiK]

ya, my other memory wont even boot on this board @ 4-4-4-12 everything else set to auto, even running 5-5-5-18 they wont get up to the 1200 they were running at on my amd board :( o well

I was hinting in your other thread that they were not really running those speeds and timings, cpu-z was giving an incorrect reading, I've seen it a few times on AMD systems. There is no way any ram could do 1200 CAS 4 at only 2.1v, let alone the corsair you have.

[vab206]

im going to try them on a abit nf-m2 nview (my new htpc board :D well not new ive had it for awhile) and if they dont do well i guess its safe to say that. idk why it would boot and show that on every program though, even memset showed 4-4-4-12 @ 600mhz ddr2.

i do have a question on how to install the freaking sound on this board... do you do the creative 1st then the soundmax program? when i install the creative i still get a popup saying "High Definition Audio Device found on HD audio bus" before i had the soundmax installed, then installed the creative then i got VERY bad hangups in CoD4 im guessing were related to sound, it kept repeating over and over, uninstalled everything, installed just the creative stuff and i get that popup and when i click on the creative button i get a message saying "there are no supported audio devices avalible. You need to close the Application"

[Hon]

can anybody please answer if this mobo still has chipset overheating problems?

[CryptiK]

Mine doesn't, 40*C NB temp idle, 45*C load, and i just tightened the NB heatsink screws fully before I booted up for the first time. Some boards seem to not have good contact between the NB and heatsink, I think it's just luck of the draw.

[vaderat-at]

@elsupremo

Can you update your sig with your current componets and relevant voltages CPU (stock voltage) RAM (stock voltage) etc? Hopefully we will be able to spot an issue that can sort it for you. What version OS are you running and did you install the Catalyst Software Suite of just the display driver?

Also have you installed ATI Tray tools or Expertool at all?

[Legacy]

im going to try them on a abit nf-m2 nview (my new htpc board :D well not new ive had it for awhile) and if they dont do well i guess its safe to say that. idk why it would boot and show that on every program though, even memset showed 4-4-4-12 @ 600mhz ddr2.

i do have a question on how to install the freaking sound on this board... do you do the creative 1st then the soundmax program? when i install the creative i still get a popup saying "High Definition Audio Device found on HD audio bus" before i had the soundmax installed, then installed the creative then i got VERY bad hangups in CoD4 im guessing were related to sound, it kept repeating over and over, uninstalled everything, installed just the creative stuff and i get that popup and when i click on the creative button i get a message saying "there are no supported audio devices avalible. You need to close the Application"


You need to put the X-Fi card in the Black PCI Slot ! Your problem will then Disappear

[Grnfinger]

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/3900_MIIF.jpg

[CryptiK]

I have 3 issues:

I do not have command rate (CR) in my bios, it is just not there. I didn't see it in 0604, and I now run 1307 and it's definitely not there. I thought this board allowed you to set the CR, it is listed in the manual.

Also, my cpu fan speed control still does not work using bios 1307. No matter what I set (standard/silent/turbo) the fan speed does not change.

Lastly, using an IDE DVD drive DVD and music playback (from the drive using discs) stutters and doesn't work properly.

Anyone else have these issues too?

[SiGfever]

What bios overclocks better?

[Grnfinger]

I have 3 issues:

I do not have command rate (CR) in my bios, it is just not there. I didn't see it in 0604, and I now run 1307 and it's definitely not there. I thought this board allowed you to set the CR, it is listed in the manual.

Also, my cpu fan speed control still does not work using bios 1307. No matter what I set (standard/silent/turbo) the fan speed does not change.

Lastly, using an IDE DVD drive DVD and music playback (from the drive using discs) stutters and doesn't work properly.

Anyone else have these issues too?

I use Raid0 and my dvd is IDE. I set the DVD to master and attach the ribbon to primary on the board, I have zero issue's.
I dont use the fan speed controller so I cannot comment


What bios overclocks better?

701 clock'd nice for me, 802 was sketchy and I find 1307 rather nice and stable.
Have not tried any other bios

[SiGfever]

I am currently running 701, do you recommend going to 1307?

And as promised here is the Excel spreadsheet for tracking settings.

[Grnfinger]

I am currently running 701, do you recommend going to 1307?

And as promised here is the Excel spreadsheet for tracking settings.

I like 1307, there is really no benifit in terms of OC but it has more memory compatibility added and it supports E0 ,

[barong]

i would like to ask the formula for gtl is it:

GTL 0/2 = vtt x 0.635
GTL 1/3 = nb x 0.667

to change
nb x 0.667 + Y = vtt x 0.635

CMIIW i dont know the formula is it like this? please help i still cannot reach 500x8.5 or 525x8

[64dragon]

Yes, in a previous post I detailed that I bought a new Corsair 1000W PSU (over my current CM Real Power Pro 850W) and it did not fix anything - my PSU is fine.

I've tried 3 sets of RAM, they were all Gskill, although different models. I've experimented with a very wide range of voltages - and keep in mind when I have the GTX 280 in, it's stable at 4 ghz very easily.

imo, it seems like your boards isn't getting enough power. your using the 8 pin power and not just the 4 pin with the cap on the other 4 right?

[CryptiK]

**I sorted out the IDE drive stuttering & not running in DMA mode issue. I had a cable problem, and re-seating it correctly solved it. Stupid I know but I was rushing putting it all together as i had work to do on it that night.

@barong

If you have a 45nm cpu, to work out what to put for the the 0.667x GTL Ref (Y) values (it will be a negative number to make the resulting voltage the same as the 0.635x GTL Ref voltage), use the following eqn

For me, Vtt = 1.14v

1.14v x 0.667 - Y = 1.14v x 0.635
0.760 - Y = 0.724
Y = 0.724 - 0.760
Y = -0.036V
Y = -36.5 mv

So to verify it:
1.14v x 0.635 = 0.724
1.14v x 0.667 = 0.760
0.760 - 0.036 = 0.724

or an easier, non algebraic alternative:

1.14v x 0.635 = 0.724v
1.14v x 0.667 = 0.760v
0.726 - 0.760 = -0.036v
= -36mv

Round up to the nearest selectable value = -40mv

This means to equalize the GTL Ref values, I choose -40mv for the 2 values where the 0.667x multiplier is used. This makes the resultant voltage the same as the resultant voltage for the values where the 0.635x multiplier is used.

You need to work it out using whatever you personally use for Vtt substituted in place of the 1.14v I used in this example.

:up:

[elsupremo]

imo, it seems like your boards isn't getting enough power. your using the 8 pin power and not just the 4 pin with the cap on the other 4 right?

Yes, I am using full 8 pin power. I agree, it sounds like not enough power - but then again it runs fine with the 280 in there.

@ Vaderat - Yes, I'll add them, but here they are again real quick:
QX9650 @ stock speeds and voltages, I think stock vcore is ~1.25v.
2 GB GSkill 6400 @ 2.0 - 5-5-5-15 (Tried 2 different sets of same RAM, also tried another Gskill DDr2 800 set, different model).
All other voltages set to Auto, except I tried setting NB (along with VTT) to 1.28 or 1.3, did not help anything.
Cooler Master 850W Real Power Pro


I did install the full Catalyst Suite, but this problem emerges before I ever get into Windows, since the computer cannot post at the same stable OC settings as I use when the GTX 280 is in the computer.

I have created a RMA label and I'm planning on getting a replacement board. This is just a very unusual situation that seems too much like hardware defect. Not even stable at stock? C'mon...

Thanks for your input though! :)

[CryptiK]

If as you say other people are running the same card without any issues, and you have established it is not a power or ram related issue, I think it's time for the RMA. I can't think of a specific reason why the board wouldn't work with the card, but you have tried everything and eliminated other options, and the fact of the matter is they should just work, without issues. Hope you have better luck with the replacement.

[elsupremo]

If as you say other people are running the same card without any issues, and you have established it is not a power or ram related issue, I think it's time for the RMA. I can't think of a specific reason why the board wouldn't work with the card, but you have tried everything and eliminated other options, and the fact of the matter is they should just work, without issues. Hope you have better luck with the replacement.

Same thing I am thinking. :) Thank you all who offered help, I'm really appreciative. I already made the RMA request and am shipping it back Monday. Fortunately, a friend has a mobo I can use in the meantime to stay up and running. Thanks again, and I'll let you guys know the result of the replacement board installation and whether it solves my problems. I kind of suspect the PWM chip on my particular board was defective.

[kwalker]

Q9550 L815B264
24/7 4 GHz stable settings
I'm stuck on 1:1 Ram at the moment but that wont be too much longer before I get the right combination :D


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 471
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-943MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: Auto
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.38750
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.65900
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.43125
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
North Bridge Voltage: 1.55050
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: Auto
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: Auto

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[CryptiK]

Same thing I am thinking. :) Thank you all who offered help, I'm really appreciative. I already made the RMA request and am shipping it back Monday. Fortunately, a friend has a mobo I can use in the meantime to stay up and running. Thanks again, and I'll let you guys know the result of the replacement board installation and whether it solves my problems. I kind of suspect the PWM chip on my particular board was defective.

Well whatever the issue was, hope your new one goes well and doesn't take to long to get to you.


Q9550 L815B264
24/7 4 GHz stable settings
I'm stuck on 1:1 Ram at the moment but that wont be too much longer before I get the right combination :D


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 471
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-943MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: Auto
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.38750
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.65900
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.43125
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
North Bridge Voltage: 1.55050
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: Auto
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: Auto

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled



I think your vFSB, vNB & vPLL are a bit too high, but that's a good start. Just work on the ram now I guess.

[CryptiK]

What do you guys put for the DDR2 ChA/B Reference and Northbridge DDR Reference voltages?

The eqn is 0.5 Vtt x vdimm + Y

As at stock (1.8 - 1.9v vdimm) the resulting voltage would be ~ 0.95v, and I run 2.07v vdimm, I use -30mv for all 3 values, to correct them back to about 1v.

0.5 x 2.07v - 30mv = 1.005v

I don't know how these voltages affect overclocking/stability, so I just corrected them back to around stock, and I have had no issues so far.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

@ CryptiK

Do u know exactly why u can set four CPU-GTLs ?

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto

I mean... thats for quadcore? - Should u use than all four?

I heard u should use the GTLs 0.667 for 65nm and 0.635 for 45nm...

Could u explain it, please.

GaBBa

[CryptiK]

Yes you're correct, each GTL Ref tunes a single core of a quad core processor.

Some boards (P5Q-Deluxe for example) link 2 cores together, so there is only 2 GTL Ref values to adjust, giving you less control.

For a 65nm you do use 0.667x and for 45nm you use 0.635x, as a starting point, but you can tweak up or down as needed for your particular cpu. However this board with bioses 0604 and later have a different format, not just a multi. As a result you need to enter the appropriate Y value, the multi stays as either 0.0635x or 0.667x. I gave an example of how to adjust the two 0.667x GTL Y values to give the same voltage as the 0.635x GTL's a few posts above - that was for a 45nm cpu. To adjust it for a 65nm CPU, you leave the 0.667x GTL's on auto as they are already correct, and adjust the 0.635x GTL's to give the same voltages the 0.667x GTL's. In the example a few posts above (Vtt = 1.14v), this means you would add 40mv to the 0.635x GTL's and that would make the resultant voltage the same as the 0.667x GTL.

I'm not sure which GTL Refs are used for a dual core (I would assume only 0 & 1) but it's common practice to adjust them all to the same level even if you have a dual.

Hope that helps.

[TouGe]

What do you guys put for the DDR2 ChA/B Reference and Northbridge DDR Reference voltages?

The eqn is 0.5 Vtt x vdimm + Y

As at stock (1.8 - 1.9v vdimm) the resulting voltage would be ~ 0.95v, and I run 2.07v vdimm, I use -30mv for all 3 values, to correct them back to about 1v.

0.5 x 2.07v - 30mv = 1.005v

I don't know how these voltages affect overclocking/stability, so I just corrected them back to around stock, and I have had no issues so far.

I reasoned the following:
Default VTT = 0.94V

0.5(2.13V) + Y = 0.94V
Y = 0.94V - 1.065V
Y = -12.5mV

I've had A/B set to these values for about 4 days now and I haven't run into any issues with stability (checked w/ 15 passes of Linpack & 200% of memTestPro).

I don't know if my logic is correct here so please feel free to correct it if need be.

[CryptiK]

Correct except for your conversion from volts to millivolts. It's not -12.5mv, it's -125mv

There's 1000 mv in 1 volt

0.001v = 1 mv
0.010v = 10 mv
0.100v = 100 mv

:up:

**There's something I want to add concerning this, I'm relatively sure the Reference voltage should scale up with increasing vdimm, however I'm not sure what the 'safe max' is, so that's why I dropped it back a little, but I'd like some input from anyone who knows something about it. Where's freecableguy when you need him - I may ask about it on the tech repository.

[TouGe]

^^Good catch:up:. I'll make the changes in a few and see what happens, if anything. I'd also like to hear FCG input on this matter. If you hear anything from him please repost here.

[TouGe]

All those years spent in engineering and chemistry and I can't convert mV...Oh if my professors could see me now:D.

I ended up averaging default DIMM VTT (0.94V) w/ what it is set to now at my current vDIMM (2.11V) which is 1.06V. This leads me to -55mV (-125mV seems rather low) which I am currently testing using memTestPro. If I get 200% w/o errors and Prmie Blend passes for two hours then I will drop it some more and see where it leads me.

I'm not sure what to look for as far as stability other than running memTest and Prime Blend. I just really dislike having settings left on auto and if I can lower voltages while keeping my same clocks than I am all for it, of course.

[Grnfinger]

Q9550 L815B264
24/7 4 GHz stable settings
I'm stuck on 1:1 Ram at the moment but that wont be too much longer before I get the right combination :D




I'm not sure how you got it stable running everyting AUTO but nice job!

If your ram can handle it I would run this
Strap 333 @ 1132MHz you can then set a PL of 8 for some nice bandwidth

My Mushkins at 1132MHz will damn near hit 10K read write and copy in Everest. Sadly I cant seem to get 4.0GHz 100% stable, prime will run for hours and hours with 3 cores passing everytime tho core 2 fails at 45mins with "SUMOUT ERROR" very frustrating for I have tried everything, even a ton of vcore dosent help.

[The Nemesis]

I'm not sure how you got it stable running everyting AUTO but nice job!



Overvolting PLL. I'm 20+hours prime stable @ 3.8GHz 1.35v PLL 1.5v. 3.9GHz freezes after a couple minutes unless I raise PLL to around 1.7v.

[Grnfinger]

Overvolting PLL. I'm 20+hours prime stable @ 3.8GHz 1.35v PLL 1.5v. 3.9GHz freezes after a couple minutes unless I raise PLL to around 1.7v.

I can run 3900 10 hours stable with reasonable volts.
333 strap and 1103MHz ram PL8, LLC enabled

My GTL's are set to a + value any change and it fails prime and linpack
The values dont match the formula I know but they work so I dont argue with them

CPU Voltage : 1.3875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.53975
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.095
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +30mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/3900_MIIF.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/linpack_3900.jpg

[The Nemesis]

@Grnfinger

Nice job. I gave up trying to get 3.9GHz stable & tried to optimize voltages and memory @ 3.8GHz. I think there's a limitation in my settings that are preventing me from hitting 3.9GHz and since I can't hit 500FSB for 4GHz, the 100MHz increase didn't seem worth all the headache. That extra .5 multiplier is key I see.

[Grnfinger]

@Grnfinger

Nice job. I gave up trying to get 3.9GHz stable & tried to optimize voltages and memory @ 3.8GHz. I think there's a limitation in my settings that are preventing me from hitting 3.9GHz and since I can't hit 500FSB for 4GHz, the 100MHz increase didn't seem worth all the headache. That extra .5 multiplier is key I see.

I share the same attitude for 4.0GHz
To much headache for the little gained
I can bench 4.0GHz all the way to 4.2GHz and even play a few games with no issues, but still cant get the 1 core to stop failing no matter what I try.

[genec57]

Another ditto - My E8600 is rock solid at 4.5. 4.6 eludes me and after a few hours of struggle I decided to be happy with what I have got.

[ATLNY]

Suggestions are in bold
lmk how it works out.
going to post a 4.0GHz setup shortly

Did you post setup for 4.0 GHz yet

[vab206]

You need to put the X-Fi card in the Black PCI Slot ! Your problem will then Disappear

ive got the card in the black slot... still doing the same thing.

[ATLNY]

Ok
I am stable at 3.8 GHz with the following setting
but I can't get it stable over that
I tried playing with the bios but it seems it's Impposible to hit 4

Asus Maximus Formula II Bios 0901
Corsair XMS2 DHX DDR2PC6400 (4 GB)
Corsair VX550W 550W
Cpu E84000

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 424
CPU Clock Skew: auto
NB Clock Skew: auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Freq: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto

Write to PRE Delay : auto
Read to PRE Delay : auto
PRE to PRE Delay : auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Dram Read Training : Auto
MEM OC Charger : auto
Ai Clock Twister : auto
Transaction Booster : auto
PCIE Freq: 100

CPU volt:1.32500
CPU PLL Voltage: auto
NB Voltage: auto
DRAM Voltage: 2.10475v
FSB Termination Voltage: auto
SB Voltage: auto
SB 1.5 Voltage: auto

CPU GTL Reference 0 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Grnfinger]

Ok
I am stable at 3.8 GHz with the following setting
but I can't get it stable over that
I tried playing with the bios but it seems it's Impposible to hit 4

Asus Maximus Formula II Bios 0901


Try this

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1069
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8] maybe 9 or 10 if you get a DET DRAM Hang

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : Whatever your CPU needs
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.095
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +20mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

lmk how you make out

[kwalker]

I'm not sure how you got it stable running everyting AUTO but nice job!

If your ram can handle it I would run this
Strap 333 @ 1132MHz you can then set a PL of 8 for some nice bandwidth

My Mushkins at 1132MHz will damn near hit 10K read write and copy in Everest. Sadly I cant seem to get 4.0GHz 100% stable, prime will run for hours and hours with 3 cores passing everytime tho core 2 fails at 45mins with "SUMOUT ERROR" very frustrating for I have tried everything, even a ton of vcore dosent help.

The best the ram will do is 1081 450 FSB.
they will do higher but requires a latency change.
then they come alive over 500 FSB but thats for another day.
On the formula board they seemed to clock higher 1200 +.
probably a difference in divider at higher FSB.
This is were the QX9XXX shines.
Ram shopping :D:D:D

[kwalker]

Well whatever the issue was, hope your new one goes well and doesn't take to long to get to you.



I think your vFSB, vNB & vPLL are a bit too high, but that's a good start. Just work on the ram now I guess.

Absolute Max on the Q9550 Vtt is 1.45 as for the north bridge I know the Intel P45 chipset has dropped the absolutes as well but hey
If you own a Ferrari
what good is it in the garage. :cool:
the Q9XXX CPU's have protection devices on die the prevent damage due to high static voltages and I'm sure to exceed this by quite a margin
the only thing I don't like is the Pll voltage :shrug:
As for the Ram......... this has been an issue for me with the dominator's and the Maximus II.
We shall see

[ATLNY]

Try this

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1069
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8] maybe 9 or 10 if you get a DET DRAM Hang

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : Whatever your CPU needs
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.095
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +20mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

lmk how you make out


it hangs right after it post
the message said "checking NVRAM.."
then I went to 10 PL
I reset it, but then at said checksum does not match computer
it would not go any futher from there

[CryptiK]

This is an adapted version of my setting for 4GHz with an 8400 for you to try.



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-892 MHz (ie: 1:1 ratio)
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Dram Read Training : disabled
MEM OC Charger : disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level: 10 (lowest you can set is 10 on 1:1 ratio)

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.3500v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325v
FSBT : 1.2v
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.32v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled


Let me know how it goes. You should also know, not all e8400's do 4GHz on less than 1.45v, so vcore may be your issue.

[CryptiK]

I can run 3900 10 hours stable with reasonable volts.
333 strap and 1103MHz ram PL8, LLC enabled

My GTL's are set to a + value any change and it fails prime and linpack
The values dont match the formula I know but they work so I dont argue with them

CPU Voltage : 1.3875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.53975
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.095
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +30mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +20mv try +30/+40/+50mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +20mv try +30/+40/+50mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +30mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO


If core 2 always fails, try increasing the GTL Ref for that core. I believe it is 'core 1' (as 4 cores are denoted 0,1,2,3) but also try increasing it on 'core 2' it *should* make a difference.

[Copenhagen69]

whats highest stable FSB anyone is getting on this board?

i got 480fsb but with 2.25V (2.1 stock) i cant seem to break the 500FSB mark ... has anyone? is it common?

using 1066 dominators

[The Nemesis]

whats highest stable FSB anyone is getting on this board?

i got 480fsb but with 2.25V (2.1 stock) i cant seem to break the 500FSB mark ... has anyone? is it common?

using 1066 dominators

I topped out @ 495FSB boot from windows. Can use setFSB or aisuite to get to 500FSB but its not stable. Few have gotten this board or any other for that matter to reach 500FSB on a 45nm quad. I finally quit this weekend and settled on 475 X 8 1.35vcore.

[Seewolf]

500 Mhz are possible with my Q9550

http://www.abload.de/thumb/3d0624183h0j.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=3d0624183h0j.jpg)

I need 1,5V NB and I can boot @ 500 Mhz and Bench 3D Mark and all other Benchmarks.

[CryptiK]

whats highest stable FSB anyone is getting on this board?

i got 480fsb but with 2.25V (2.1 stock) i cant seem to break the 500FSB mark ... has anyone? is it common?

using 1066 dominators

You must mean with quad's, right? And what is stable to you? Orthos, SPI32M etc.

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

Hello everybody,

i heard that the voltages from the board are extremly high - also if u use the lowest voltage settings. This should happen if u use a fsb over 450 MHz.

I would like to check this... Do anybody know where are the measure points for different voltages of this board?

[Copenhagen69]

You must mean with quad's, right? And what is stable to you? Orthos, SPI32M etc.

nope im running e8400
well stable coule be long enough to run some benchies or 24/7

[Starage]

whats highest stable FSB anyone is getting on this board?

i got 480fsb but with 2.25V (2.1 stock) i cant seem to break the 500FSB mark ... has anyone? is it common?

using 1066 dominators

Hey what voltages are you talking about? What is 2.25v for.
If you are running an E8400, I have hit 560 FSB, but ddr2-1066 is only good for 533. I have tried 570 and 588 but at that bus speed is not stable.
I am using a 7x multiplier for a 3920mhz core speed. My E8400 is not stable over 4000mhz. My DDR2-1200 is running at 1:1 or (560mhz) 1120.

[vaderat-at]

550fsb here. 3 hours and counting. I'll let it run for 12 to make sure. I had to up the vcore slightly to achieve this.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8874/e8600550fsbyx3.th.jpg (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e8600550fsbyx3.jpg)

[lowdog]

Correct except for your conversion from volts to millivolts. It's not -12.5mv, it's -125mv

There's 1000 mv in 1 volt

0.001v = 1 mv
0.010v = 10 mv
0.100v = 100 mv

:up:

**There's something I want to add concerning this, I'm relatively sure the Reference voltage should scale up with increasing vdimm, however I'm not sure what the 'safe max' is, so that's why I dropped it back a little, but I'd like some input from anyone who knows something about it. Where's freecableguy when you need him - I may ask about it on the tech repository.


Can you please let us know if and when you find out what and how to set these GTL's - NB GTL, DDR2 chA and DDR2 chB, NB DDR Ref.

At present with this board I have my Q9650 running at 3.6GHz, 9x400fsb with:

Cpu v - 1.2v with LL disabled = 1.16v idle and 1.12v load (Linpack and Prime95 stable)
CPU PLL - 1.51v
FSB Term V - 1.118v
Dram V - 1.82v (8gb of Corsair Dominator 8500C5DF)
NB V - 1.118v
SB 1.5 - 1.51v
SB 1.1 - 1.10v

CPU GTL (0) auto
CPU GTL (1) -40
CPU GTL (2) auto
CPU GTL (3) -40

All other GTL's auto

LL - disabled.

Going to push for 4GHz but I want to know what all the other GTL's do and how to set them first before I push up volts etc..

On stock speed of 333fsb all voltage setting when set to auto seem to give minimum volts across the board, when the fsb is bumped to 400 all auto volts SKYROCKET to dangerous levels, so people had better be carefull when running 45nm to make sure they are manually setting ALL volts when they start overclocking and trying to keep whatever and if not all volts as minimal/low as possible if they can keep stability like that.

[vab206]

im getting 4ghz easily with 450fsb X 9, ram set to 1199 @ 5-5-5-12. was booting at 500fsb but had to drop my ram down considerably to do so, went with 450 in the end.

[CryptiK]

Can you please let us know if and when you find out what and how to set these GTL's - NB GTL, DDR2 chA and DDR2 chB, NB DDR Ref.

At present with this board I have my Q9650 running at 3.6GHz, 9x400fsb with:

Cpu v - 1.2v with LL disabled = 1.16v idle and 1.12v load (Linpack and Prime95 stable)
CPU PLL - 1.51v
FSB Term V - 1.118v
Dram V - 1.82v (8gb of Corsair Dominator 8500C5DF)
NB V - 1.118v
SB 1.5 - 1.51v
SB 1.1 - 1.10v

CPU GTL (0) auto
CPU GTL (1) -40
CPU GTL (2) auto
CPU GTL (3) -40

All other GTL's auto

LL - disabled.

Going to push for 4GHz but I want to know what all the other GTL's do and how to set them first before I push up volts etc..

On stock speed of 333fsb all voltage setting when set to auto seem to give minimum volts across the board, when the fsb is bumped to 400 all auto volts SKYROCKET to dangerous levels, so people had better be carefull when running 45nm to make sure they are manually setting ALL volts when they start overclocking and trying to keep whatever and if not all volts as minimal/low as possible if they can keep stability like that.

I know, and have briefly explained how, to set the GTL Ref's on this board. Depending on how each core of your CPU behaves, you need to tweak them yourself accordingly, after setting the standard values, which as I said earlier, are 0.635x Vtt for 45nm CPU's.

This means you need to adjust GTL Ref 1 & 3 (0.667x) to a negative mv value (which you work out by using the equation or second, easier method I gave based on your Vtt) as you have done, and leave the GTL Ref 0 & 2 (0.635x) alone so all the GTL Ref values are as close to the same as you can get them.

From that point you need to tweak for your individual CPU, GTL's are a not a 'set this number and you're done' setting. For example your core 0 may be weak, so it may need more voltage than the others etc.

For the NB GTL Ref, I have had no reason to change it from stock yet, it may help get the FSB to 600+ levels but I haven't had time to play with it yet.

The max FSB on my board I can get into windows with is 550 (1.30v vNB) so something isn't right there, as my CPU will do 600FSB on 1.344v, I could do 600FSB at 1.26v vNB on my P5Q-Deluxe easily.

I think the M2F bios needs to be much better optimized for high FSB and also high ram speeds, I could do much better on my P5Q-Deluxe in both respects. Disappointing considering the price of the P5Q-Deluxe compared to the M2F. Also, the M2F is way too sensitive to the vFSB:vNB voltage ratio, requiring vNB to be no more than 0.113v higher than vFSB or the board will not POST on reboot - again the P5Q-Deluxe was better and allowed you to run ~1.34v vNB and 1.11v vFSB without issues. I'm sincerely hoping the next M2F BIOS revision will address these issues.

[lowdog]

I know, and have briefly explained how, to set the GTL Ref's on this board. Depending on how each core of your CPU behaves, you need to tweak them yourself accordingly, after setting the standard values, which as I said earlier, are 0.635x Vtt for 45nm CPU's.

This means you need to adjust GTL Ref 1 & 3 (0.667x) to a negative mv value (which you work out by using the equation or second, easier method I gave based on your Vtt) and leave the GTL Ref 0 & 2 (0.635x) alone so all the GTL Ref values are as close to the same as you can get them.

From that point you need to tweak for your individual CPU, GTL's are a not a 'set this number and you're done' setting.


Yeah I understand that in regard to the individual CPU GTL's and have set them accordingly (spelling :rolleyes: ) and can comprehend the formular for working out the correct setting.

My question was in reference to the NB GTL , NB DDR Reference V and DDR2 ChA/B Reference V. What they do? how important/crucial are they? are there any adverse affects leaving them on auto? etc. Would be nice to get some difinitive answer regarding formular on setting these correctly and their function in so called "laymens terms"

[CryptiK]

Well I have PM'd FCG, hopefully he can shed some light on it, as I'm unsure what to recommend regarding these voltages. I'll let you know if he gets back to me, and in the meantime I'll do some research tonight when I get home and try to figure out what they are/do.

[lowdog]

Well I have PM'd FCG, hopefully he can shed some light on it, as I'm unsure what to recommend regarding these voltages. I'll let you know if he gets back to me, and in the meantime I'll do some research tonight when I get home and try to figure out what they are/do.


Coooooool, and thanks. Will hopefully help us all out if we get some light shedded on these settings. :D

[Grnfinger]

I think the M2F bios needs to be much better optimized for high FSB and also high ram speeds, I could do much better on my P5Q-Deluxe in both respects. Disappointing considering the price of the P5Q-Deluxe compared to the M2F. Also, the M2F is way too sensitive to the vFSB:vNB voltage ratio, requiring vNB to be no more than 0.113v higher than vFSB or the board will not POST on reboot - again the P5Q-Deluxe was better and allowed you to run ~1.34v vNB and 1.11v vFSB without issues. I'm sincerely hoping the next M2F BIOS revision will address these issues.

I have never experienced this issue
I run NB volts at 1.39 and VTT at 1.33 and have had the NB volts highe than that all the way to 1.42 and it would still post and reboot.

[lowdog]

I only have to have NB V - 1.16 and VTT V - 1.16 with vcore of 1.28 LLC enabled for 4GHz - 9 X 450fsb mem 1:1. All other volts at one notch above there lowest value.

Q9650 FPO/Batch # L825B323 vid 1.2250

[CryptiK]

I have never experienced this issue
I run NB volts at 1.39 and VTT at 1.33 and have had the NB volts highe than that all the way to 1.42 and it would still post and reboot.

1.33 Vtt & 1.42 vNB = 0.09 vDiff. That's within the max of 0.113v difference I stated, so i would completely expect it to be fine at that setting. Boards may differ, but in my case, the 0.113v max vDiff between Vtt & vNB is a completely reproduceable phenomenon.

[KRich]

1.33 Vtt & 1.42 vNB = 0.09 vDiff. That's within the max of 0.113v difference I stated, so i would completely expect it to be fine at that setting. Boards may differ, but in my case, the 0.113v max vDiff between Vtt & vNB is a completely reproduceable phenomenon.

I get the same issue with my MIIF, but in my case, the maximum difference I appear to be able to set between VTT and VNB, is roughly 0.15v in the higher ranges.

Any more than that, and when I try to restart the system from Windows, the CMOS is cleared and reset and the same occurs from a cold/warm start.

As soon as I bring the difference between the VTT and VNB selection back within the permissable range, no problems at all.

[CryptiK]

KRich - Yes, that is exactly what I mean. I think the boards are too sensitive to this, we should be able to set the vFSB (Vtt) and the vNB further apart without encountering the problem you described (which is exactly what I experience too), as it is limiting the boards performance. The maximum vFSB intel allows is 1.15v and my cpu can do everything I want it to at less than this voltage. I do not want to have to overvolt my cpu simply to be able to run the vNB higher.

I could run a larger vdiff on my P5Q-Deluxe, such as 1.1v vFSB and 1.34v vNB without issues, so I know that it can be done with an Asus platform with the P45 chipset, just not on the M2F. I want Asus to address this issue, along with allowing better ram overclocking above 1200 - 1300 MHz, and increasing the boards ability to run FSB 550+ stably.

[KRich]

KRich - Yes, that is exactly what I mean. I think the boards are too sensitive to this, we should be able to set the vFSB (Vtt) and the vNB further apart without encountering the problem you described (which is exactly what I experience too), as it is limiting the boards performance. The maximum vFSB intel allows is 1.15v and mine can do everything I want it to at less than this voltage. I do not want to have to overvolt my cpu simply to be able to run the vNB higher.

I could run a larger vdiff on my P5Q-Deluxe, such as 1.1v vFSB and 1.34v vNB without issues, so I know that it can be done with an Asus platform with the P45 chipset, just not on the M2F. I want Asus to address this issue, along with allowing better ram overclocking above 1200 - 1300 MHz, and increasing the boards ability to run FSB 550+ stably.

Indeed, you are right and I agree with you.

In fact, when I first got my MIIF last week and had the problem, I was stumped as to why it was happening. It was only when I saw your first post on the subject last week that things became clearer and I was able to workaround the issue by keeping the VTT and VNB voltages within the current permissable range.

I was wondering if I needed to check the CMOS battery or whether I had installed the board incorrectly :ROTF:

[KRich]

As has been mentioned on this thread previously, it appears that if you run 1:1, the minimum PL you can use is 10.

Any idea if this is a P45 chipset limitation or could it be fixed via a future BIOS update?

Additionally, has anyone noticed that enabling Pull-Ins under the PL section doesn't appear to enhance the PL at all?

For example, with the Maximus Formula w/ Rampage Formula BIOS, if you set the PL to x and enabled all pull-ins, you would effectively set one PL level down from what you had entered.

This doesn't appear to happen with the MIIF, even when enabling pull-ins, the BIOS and even Everest doesn't show any change.

[ACE76]

Are people achieving 600 fsb easily or with a lot of tweaking? I simply can not get 600 with my E8600 E0 or my E8400 E0 chips whatsoever, regardless of what I set in the BIOS...but I got the DFI DK P45 and I hit it the 2nd time I played with the BIOS....is there something I'm missing here with the MIIF's BIOS?

I just noticed that DFI actually put out a .pdf guide to achieve maximum overclock with their DK P45 boards....I wish Asus would do something like that!

[ATLNY]

This is an adapted version of my setting for 4GHz with an 8400 for you to try.



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-892 MHz (ie: 1:1 ratio)
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Dram Read Training : disabled
MEM OC Charger : disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level: 10 (lowest you can set is 10 on 1:1 ratio)

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.3500v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325v
FSBT : 1.2v
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.32v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled


Let me know how it goes. You should also know, not all e8400's do 4GHz on less than 1.45v, so vcore may be your issue.


It booted up all the way to windows, then I got the blue screen
I think it is my memory holding me back
I am going to get some corsair dominator pc8500

[CryptiK]

Try raising the vcore to 1.40v bios first, I'm not convinced its your ram. at 892MHz the ram should be ok.

@ KRich - the PL10 is the lowest you can go on 1:1 divider due to chipset limitation with P45 unfortunately. No way around it.

[KRich]

Try raising the vcore to 1.40v bios first, I'm not convinced its your ram. at 892MHz the ram should be ok.

@ KRich - the PL10 is the lowest you can go on 1:1 divider due to chipset limitation with P45 unfortunately. No way around it.

Thanks buddy :up:

[ATLNY]

Try raising the vcore to 1.40v bios first, I'm not convinced its your ram. at 892MHz the ram should be ok.

@ KRich - the PL10 is the lowest you can go on 1:1 divider due to chipset limitation with P45 unfortunately. No way around it.

ok
I will try that as soon as I got my board back
I RMA it today due to the NB temp too high
I got the temp down to 55 C(idle) from 79 C
this is not a cheap board and I should be happy with it
I can't wait to try those setting

thanks

[Grnfinger]

1.33 Vtt & 1.42 vNB = 0.09 vDiff. That's within the max of 0.113v difference I stated, so i would completely expect it to be fine at that setting. Boards may differ, but in my case, the 0.113v max vDiff between Vtt & vNB is a completely reproduceable phenomenon.

You are correct, I just tested your theory and I also get the reboot issue.
My Maximus X38 just arrived today back from RMA, it will be interesting to run some comparisons

[zlojack]

Looking forward to seeing that Grn.

[Grnfinger]

Looking forward to seeing that Grn.

Gotta take a management class tonight, apparently I'm not a ppl person :rofl:
So work is making me take some gay ass'd course in "how to motivate ppl"
Personally you stand behind them with a big metal pole :ROTF:

Anyways I hope to have some results tomorrow night

[SiGfever]

Gotta take a management class tonight, apparently I'm not a ppl person :rofl:
So work is making me take some gay ass'd course in "how to motivate ppl"
Personally you stand behind them with a big metal pole :ROTF:

Anyways I hope to have some results tomorrow night
:ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:

[zlojack]

Gotta take a management class tonight, apparently I'm not a ppl person :rofl:
So work is making me take some gay ass'd course in "how to motivate ppl"
Personally you stand behind them with a big metal pole :ROTF:

Anyways I hope to have some results tomorrow night
It's an easy concept.

Boss says, you do.

If they can't figure it out, fire them :D

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

Hey guys,

I measured today some voltages on this board with an multimeter...

- in different FSB-Rate -> 333MHz, 450MHz, 500MHz
- between manual and auto voltage (BIOS)

http://www.abload.de/thumb/miifxyh.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=miifxyh.jpg)
(description in german; Messgerät = multimeter)

result:
The voltage which is set manual in the BIOS is exact the same which i measured...
But if u set the voltage on auto than the voltage is very high if u use an higher FSB.

Means.. if u use higher FSB u should set the voltage manual.


GaBBa

[barong]

550fsb here. 3 hours and counting. I'll let it run for 12 to make sure. I had to up the vcore slightly to achieve this.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8874/e8600550fsbyx3.th.jpg (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e8600550fsbyx3.jpg)

can u give me the bios setting , please :up:

[barong]

also which LAN should i disable to avoid IRQ bsod?

[CryptiK]

What IRQ BSOD problem are you having? I have not experienced that with my system.

[barong]

IRQ not equal, someone said that i should turn off LAN 1

[CryptiK]

IRQ not equal usually indicates a driver crash (like display driver for example) but i'm not sure in your case. You could try either one I guess and see if that helps.

[vaderat-at]

can u give me the bios setting , please :up:

Well I managed 555fsb stable with these settings:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 555
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1112MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: Auto
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: Auto
Read to Precharge Time: Auto

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.41875
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.61925
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24575
DRAM Voltage: 1.93250
North Bridge Voltage: 1.28550
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: Auto
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: Auto

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): +40mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4109/e8600555fsbidleku5.jpg

[Seewolf]

Anybody a Idea ?

Prime always stops (Core 1) at the 768K test after 1 hour and 10 minutes

[turtletrax]

Does anybody have a template for Q6600?

I want to give it a shot b4 I try my E8400.

Thanks!!

[Grnfinger]

IRQ not equal, someone said that i should turn off LAN 1

Actually that's usally a ram issue
I would test your ram with Memtest or Memtest Pro
A quick run of linpack would also rule out ram if it passes

[AquaRelliux]

Grnfinger can u post your settings for your Q9550? I am I just got a maximus II upgraded from Maximus X38. My Q9450 ran fine on my X38 board @3600mhz but I know it can do 4000mhz if u put 1.35v into it, problem was at those speeds I couldent run the ram in the speed I wanted on the X38 so I gave that up. But I am a total noob on this board and I dont know what settings I should have for my Q9450 anyone have adivices?

[FuryPT]

Hi guys, i would like to ask you something! What do you think which is the best bios for this mobo??
I am very keen on buying one and i want to know with which bios i have more performance! :up:

[LookyKai]

Hi guys, i would like to ask you something! What do you think which is the best bios for this mobo??
I am very keen on buying one and i want to know with which bios i have more performance! :up:

the latest one would be the best, that's 1307
got no probs so far

[Ket]

What IRQ BSOD problem are you having? I have not experienced that with my system.

IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL, I'm guessing ;)

[Grnfinger]

Grnfinger can u post your settings for your Q9550? I am I just got a maximus II upgraded from Maximus X38. My Q9450 ran fine on my X38 board @3600mhz but I know it can do 4000mhz if u put 1.35v into it, problem was at those speeds I couldent run the ram in the speed I wanted on the X38 so I gave that up. But I am a total noob on this board and I dont know what settings I should have for my Q9450 anyone have adivices?

Here is a 450x8 3600MHz setup
Good place to start and you can move up from there
This is 8+ hours prime stable

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Advanced 300ps
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Advanced 300ps
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Advanced 300ps


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.35
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : +20mv
CPU GTL Reference 1 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : +10mv
CPU GTL Reference 3 : +20mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[barong]

IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL, I'm guessing ;)

yap thats right :up:
what is that meant? any solution?

[FuryPT]

the latest one would be the best, that's 1307
got no probs so far

Thank u! ;)

[LookyKai]

yap thats right :up:
what is that meant? any solution?

most of BSOD cases from overclocking are not enough volt on DRAM or Northbridge, or even DRam timings too tight..?

[Sassy]

Hello guys & girls...

I wonder if you kind people would give me a heads up on what I should be running @ i.e... Fsb volts you name it, I’m not very clued up on OCing
Here are the specs of my rig>>>
Maximus II Formula
Q6600 G0
OCZ (2x2GB) PC2-8500C5 1066MHz Dual Channel Platinum Series
Seagate 500GB*32MB Cache
700watt PSU
Vista 32bit but up grading to 64 so I can get full use of the mem..

ATM I’m running stock with core temps around 27c Thanks to my Asus silent square & Antec 1200 with more fans than a Britney Spears concert.

I got this chip as I was told it’s a great overclocker, I’m not looking to set the world alight nor my living room lol, I’m a avid gamer so need it stable for the likes of BF2 /COD4 ect!!! If I can run stable @ 3.2 GHz to 3.3 GHz with no twitching ingame I’ll be a happy bunny

Any help you can give me would be very much appreciated, I’ve looked over many forums but after reading here I think I found the right forums with the right people...

Thanks for you time
sassy

[LookyKai]

Hello guys & girls...

I wonder if you kind people would give me a heads up on what I should be running @ i.e... Fsb volts you name it, I’m not very clued up on OCing
Here are the specs of my rig>>>
Maximus II Formula
Q6600 G0
OCZ (2x2GB) PC2-8500C5 1066MHz Dual Channel Platinum Series
Seagate 500GB*32MB Cache
700watt PSU
Vista 32bit but up grading to 64 so I can get full use of the mem..

ATM I’m running stock with core temps around 27c Thanks to my Asus silent square & Antec 1200 with more fans than a Britney Spears concert.

I got this chip as I was told it’s a great overclocker, I’m not looking to set the world alight nor my living room lol, I’m a avid gamer so need it stable for the likes of BF2 /COD4 ect!!! If I can run stable @ 3.2 GHz to 3.3 GHz with no twitching ingame I’ll be a happy bunny

Any help you can give me would be very much appreciated, I’ve looked over many forums but after reading here I think I found the right forums with the right people...

Thanks for you time
sassy

try this..



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 400 - (3600MHz)
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
North Bridge Clock Skew : Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto or [266] ~ [333]
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-XXXXMHz (your choice)
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : [Auto]
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55 or [Auto]
Write Recovery Time : [Auto]
Read to Precharge Time : [Auto]

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Auto - My set up
Dram Read Training : Auto - My set up
MEM OC Charger : Auto - My set up
Ai Clock Twister : Auto (set for lowering memory latencies)
Transaction Booster : Manual (i suggest [Auto])

Common Performance Level: 10 (lowest you can set is 10 on 1:1 ratio)

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.4v ~ 1.45v (always check the Idle and Load Temp)
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5v ~ 1.6v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.3v ~ 1.35v
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v ~ 2.2v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.35v ~ 1.45v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5v ([Auto] - My set up)
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.5v ([Auto] - My set up)

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Try to change GTL Refs, sometimes helpful

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled or [Auto]
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled or [Auto]

for the stability test, i always using HyperPI 32MB and IntelBurnTest by AgentGOD, make sure Air Conditioner in your room turned on when running IntelBurnTest :D

Good Luck!

IMO

---
forgot to mention, make sure to update BIOS to 1307 version

[Grnfinger]

holy hannah thats alot of auto settings.
Damn hard to get stability with auto settings.
8x450 would yield higher bandwidth. plus running 1:1 means PL10 wich is crap.

A better setup would be
450x8
333 strap
1080MHz for ram.

Then this would allow for PL8
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger

[Ender3rd]

heres another weird one for you, when i have the asus probe running every now and again i get alarms for wierd voltage spikes. like just a minute ago it said my vtt cpu was at 13v early my ram aparently spiked to 18v. im thinking its just an error in the bios. but odd none the less

Yes, I see that with Probe as well. It will sound the alarm and report random device voltages as 0.00v or VCORE as 50.0v now and then. It has to be a glitch in the momentary sampling as it polls the sensors. It does tend to get your attention though!

:)

Ender

[CryptiK]

Yes, I also get those random warnings in Probe, I have turned off the sound so it doesn't startle me anymore, but it is really annoying.

[Ender3rd]

Yup, looks pretty impressive though when you get a report like this, especially with sound enabled...

:)

[ThugsRook]

do yourself a favor, uninstall the Asus software and leave it uninstalled.

[CryptiK]

Asus definitely need to revise the software and fix the bugs, the poor quality of asus software is legendary.

Asus really need to bring out a new bios too, that corrects the inability of D9 GMH/GKX ram to overclock past 1210 MHz, I have sticks that do 1333+ MHz but I can't get them over 1210 on this board no matter what. Also the low FSB should be addressed, as at the moment, the P5Q-Deluxe is better than this board in every way doing 590 FSB on 1.26 vNB (whereas the M2F maximum FSB is around 560 using 1.30 vNB) and being able to clock ram above 1350 MHz.
Asus better fix these issues with the next bios release or the M2F will become a legendary failure, as it is being outclassed by boards 30% cheaper than it (P5Q-D, DFI P45 Dark Plus etc).

[LookyKai]

holy hannah thats alot of auto settings.
Damn hard to get stability with auto settings.
8x450 would yield higher bandwidth. plus running 1:1 means PL10 wich is crap.

A better setup would be
450x8
333 strap
1080MHz for ram.

Then this would allow for PL8
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : AUTO
MEM OC Charger : AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger

haha, i never had any experiences with Quad 6600 before, especially on this MIIF board

Sassy's just wanted for little overclocking, so FSB 400 with 9 multi is enough for him/her, reducing PL or any DRAM tweaks will giving hard time for him/her i believe.. and he/she just want to reach his/her CPU around 3.2 ~ 3.3GHz, so i gave him/her info with easiest way to OC to 3.6GHz especially with our beloved MIIF :up:

i copied all of my DRAM Timings set as reference, everythings set to auto except DRAM Clock Skew, 5-5-5-15 thing, Ai Clock Twister and Performance Level, and got no probs with me :)

[LookyKai]

Yup, looks pretty impressive though when you get a report like this, especially with sound enabled...

:)

must be cool ambient temp in your area :up:

but, how come the DRam VTT skyrocketed to 59.37v??? isn't it scary?

mine running at green 1.05v :confused:

what BIOS version you are currently use?

[Ender3rd]

must be cool ambient temp in your area :up:

but, how come the DRam VTT skyrocketed to 59.37v??? isn't it scary?

what BIOS version you are currently use?

Ah yes, the ambient temp has been perfect today @ 70F/21C. Sunny, breezy, and pleasantly comfortable! :clap:

As ThugsRook indicated, the probe software is fairly worthless as a reliable piece of monitoring software, and unfortunately the momentary displays of rubbish are not uncommon. My actual Dram VTT is 1.00v so no worries. Probe is great for initial setups to check things like the SB/NB temps and relative voltage settings, but beyond that...

I am still on the 701 bios and probably will not move to 13xx unless some new functions show up. The 701 has been rock steady for me.

:)

Ender

[LookyKai]

Ah yes, the ambient temp has been perfect today @ 70F/21C. Sunny, breezy, and pleasantly comfortable! :clap:

As ThugsRook indicated, the probe software is fairly worthless as a reliable piece of monitoring software, and unfortunately the momentary displays of rubbish are not uncommon. My actual Dram VTT is 1.00v so no worries. Probe is great for initial setups to check things like the SB/NB temps and relative voltage settings, but beyond that...

I am still on the 701 bios and probably will not move to 13xx unless some new functions show up. The 701 has been rock steady for me.

:)

Ender

cool, awesome temp and awesome weather :up:

oh, so it's BIOS bug monitoring read when read thru software, mine Probe read correctly with BIOS 1307

yea, i get what you guys meant, as for me PC Probe isn't worthless at all.. :)

ok

[CryptiK]

yap thats right :up:
what is that meant? any solution?

It means you're unstable most likely, there is no device conflict or issue that causes the BSOD's as far as I'm aware, so concentrate on your settings and get it stable.

[elsupremo]

Well whatever the issue was, hope your new one goes well and doesn't take to long to get to you.

To Cryptik and everyone else who offered assistance with my problem getting my board to work stable with the ATI 4870 X2. It WAS the board! The replacement board came yesterday, and it works beautifully. The board is VERY easy to overclock, in my humble opinion, and the graphics card is working like a charm. I am very happy, although it stinks that it required so much time and effort to determine that the board was bad.

So far, this is a very good board. :)

[Grnfinger]

To Cryptik and everyone else who offered assistance with my problem getting my board to work stable with the ATI 4870 X2. It WAS the board! The replacement board came yesterday, and it works beautifully. The board is VERY easy to overclock, in my humble opinion, and the graphics card is working like a charm. I am very happy, although it stinks that it required so much time and effort to determine that the board was bad.

So far, this is a very good board. :)

:up:

[CryptiK]

To Cryptik and everyone else who offered assistance with my problem getting my board to work stable with the ATI 4870 X2. It WAS the board! The replacement board came yesterday, and it works beautifully. The board is VERY easy to overclock, in my humble opinion, and the graphics card is working like a charm. I am very happy, although it stinks that it required so much time and effort to determine that the board was bad.

So far, this is a very good board. :)

Excellent news, now you can start having some fun with it :up:

[turtletrax]

Hey guys. Having a helluva time with this Mobo. I cannot get ANY oc to stick and after applying settings, board reboots and hangs and needs a hard reboot to get back into bios.

I have been trying with my Q6600 that is 4Ghz capable and proven as such with 2 other boards, and will be trying my E8400 that has done 4.7Ghz. I have 2x2 set of 8500 Dominators and a HX-1000. I can run stock with no issue till the cows come home, so needless to say I am frustrated as hell.

I have tried what worked on all my other boards as well as many toher templates with not so much as a unstable boot. Always ends up with hard lock.

Really starting to regret moving from my P35-T2R...

[CryptiK]

Hey guys. Having a helluva time with this Mobo. I cannot get ANY oc to stick and after applying settings, board reboots and hangs and needs a hard reboot to get back into bios.

I have been trying with my Q6600 that is 4Ghz capable and proven as such with 2 other boards, and will be trying my E8400 that has done 4.7Ghz. I have 2x2 set of 8500 Dominators and a HX-1000. I can run stock with no issue till the cows come home, so needless to say I am frustrated as hell.

I have tried what worked on all my other boards as well as many toher templates with not so much as a unstable boot. Always ends up with hard lock.

Really starting to regret moving from my P35-T2R...

Make sure the maximum difference between the vFSB and vNB is no more than ~0.11v. So if you set 1.2 vFSB, set no more than 1.21v vNB otherwise it will just lock on reboot. This is a very annoying 'feature' of the M2F, and Asus need to fix it (along with a lot of other stuff I keep mentioning) to make this board what I would call decent.

[turtletrax]

Make sure the maximum difference between the vFSB and vNB is no more than ~0.11v. So if you set 1.2 vFSB, set no more than 1.21v vNB otherwise it will just lock on reboot. This is a very annoying 'feature' of the M2F, and Asus need to fix it (along with a lot of other stuff I keep mentioning) to make this board what I would call decent.

Thanks :)

Gonna give it a shot here.

Asus needs to realize that if they are gonna charge a premium for Enthusiast boards it need more than a cool heatsink and flashy box. I mean get real.

Edit: Worked like a charm Cryptik. Thanks for that. Kinda halarious tho, I mean I have never heard of this before... makes no sense.

[CryptiK]

Thanks :)

Gonna give it a shot here.

Asus needs to realize that if they are gonna charge a premium for Enthusiast boards it need more than a cool heatsink and flashy box. I mean get real.

Edit: Worked like a charm Cryptik. Thanks for that. Kinda halarious tho, I mean I have never heard of this before... makes no sense.

Good to hear that sorted it out mate. It drove me nuts for a couple of hours too when I first got my M2F, I just kept stuffing around with it until I worked it out. I have not had that issue on any other P45 board either, my P5Q-Deluxe would be fine using 1.11 vFSB and 1.36 vNB if I wanted to. What made me think of it was remembering that the Biostar I45 board has vFSB and vNB linked so I tried to bring them close together and it worked.

I hope the next bios revision fixes the issues this board has, I can't overclock my ram past 1210 MHz with it and I know for sure my D9 GMH/GKX kits do 1300+ (did that on my P5Q-D) but even 1220 is not possible on the M2F. Also I could get 590 FSB on my P5Q-D on 1.26 vNB but my M2F cannot go over 540 FSB on the same vNB. If I increase the vNB to 1.33v I can get 550 out of it and thats it.

[FuryPT]

Hey people i am looking for 4gb memory (2x2gb) and i am very interested on the these ocz!

Link : http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8000_4gb_platinum_edition_dual_channe l

I would like to know if i will have any type of problems with this combination (OCZ + MIIF)

Cumps,
FuRy

[LookyKai]

Hey people i am looking for 4gb memory (2x2gb) and i am very interested on the these ocz!

Link : http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8000_4gb_platinum_edition_dual_channe l

I would like to know if i will have any type of problems with this combination (OCZ + MIIF)

Cumps,
FuRy

i believe that memory ram will be fine on MIIF, make sure to update the latest BIOS

FYI, that memory ram isn't high-end class ram, it's mainstream class memory ram, so if you're looking for better speed read/write/copy it doesn't suit you, same class as my late memory ram "Team Xtreem Dark" series


I would like to know if i will have any type of problems with this combination (OCZ + MIIF)
i'm sure there will be no problem with combination of OCZ + MIIF, it's just when the memory ram isn't fully compatible with the BIOS, it will be hard to get stable when OCing (CMIIW)

anyway, how much budget would you like to spend for 2x2GB memory ram?

[Grnfinger]

Hey people i am looking for 4gb memory (2x2gb) and i am very interested on the these ocz!

Link : http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8000_4gb_platinum_edition_dual_channe l

I would like to know if i will have any type of problems with this combination (OCZ + MIIF)

Cumps,
FuRy

I would avoid that kit like the plague
there is alot better ram out ther than that.

Corsair has a line about the same price and would perform alot better.
So does GSkill, and Mushkin. OCZ is not the best choice imo

[Ender3rd]

They are not specifically listed on the Max II QVL @ asustek.

http://www.asus.com/999/download/products/2166/2166_10.pdf

That certainly does not mean they will not work. You might want to browse the OCZ support forum and see how they get along with the P45 boards. I would browse the user comments at Newegg as well and see if issues have come up. My OCZ2N1066SR2GK sticks get along very nicely with the Maximus II, but it's only a 2GB kit, and they are on the QVL.

Ender

[turtletrax]

With DDR2 prices such as they are, being cheap makes very liittle sense. Many 2x2 kits that OC quite well at low volts can be had for around $100 or less. These are primium ICs and lifetime warranty.

Cheaping out on ram for a $300 board is a big mistake IMHO