ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[Mr.Pink]

This is where I experience trouble finding the GTLs though. If I up Vcore a notch or two, I will get more stability (if not, total stability), but it will still reboot on the majority of occasions. If I give more or less VTT than 1.32 then the system becomes more unstable. On another note, I got back after a weekend away, started the rig up, and with the most stable GTLs I found so far, it was failing withing 5-10 minues of prime (during 1024k test) which it passed all the time 2 days ago and was stable for almost an hour. Something very fishy here imo.

if your failing large FFT's 1024k test then you need more VTT or vNB

1024 - increase VTT or vNB
896 or 448 - vNB
768, 512, 332 - VTT

[In-Fluence]

Yes I'm aware of this, but it passed 1024k every time when I was blend testing with different CPU GTL combinations (that was over 25 times and always failed during the first two small FFT tests). I then leave it off over the weekend, come back and run the test with the exact same settings, volts etc, and the most succesful CPU GTL setting (so far) - then 1024k fails within 5-10 minutes. This is why it's so hard for me to tune this thing - it's simply not playing ball the way it should.
I've tried another restart and power cycle, and it's still failing at the same point - I've wasted so much time with this I'm tempted to at least RMA the board provided Arseus allow it, failing that I could hope that my new PSU (due to arive soon) could help the matter. If not I'll probably sell the board and try a gigabyte on for size. Sorry about these constant rantings, but It's really bugging me! I'm no noob to overclocking (since about 2000 and mainly spent time on the OCW forums) and I feel my experience is often enough to work out which settings need tweaking to get stable and get a good feel for how a motherboard operates.

Sorry, this isn't a dig at anyone taking the time to help me, it's always greatly appreciated, but I hope you see where I'm coming from! :)

[64dragon]

In-Fluence, use small FFT to determine cpu voltage, large for NB and VTT as Mr. Pink listed and then go to blend. This worked like a charm on my Xeon...not so much with my 9505 (which i still apparently don't have 100% stable for WCG)

[In-Fluence]

That's exactly what I have been doing when finding a stable spot. I tuned the vcore using small fft for about 4 complete loops. I then moved onto the NB/memory and tested with large fft for another 4 loops, then ran 25 large linpack, followed by 12 hours of blend, so I can quite easily get stable as far as I'm concerned.
It's just the GTL tuning which I really thought I was getting somewhere with until I returned after this weekend and powered up with the same settings.

Like I've said, I got better results with -ve GTLs after I lowered vcore to make it unstable and blended. When testing and comparing -55,-5,-55,-5 (and upwards) to +50,+10,+50,+10 (and many combinations in both directions) the -ve ones (with a 50mv gap) gave me an average of 25 minutes of extra stability (well into 8k, and often into 12k, as mentioned before) which made sense to me (even though it seemed a bit odd given the VTT of 1.32, the 50mv gap, and the equation). When testing the +ve GTLs I got blend failures within 10 minutes of 1024 which indicated much more instability.

If I up the vcore to one notch below a completely stable vcore (1.45v when at 3.6GHz) and try to find the GTLs when I'm seemingly 98%+ stable already (i.e able to prime for hours before failure/reset) this is clearly going to take far too long. The trickiest thing is the fact it keeps rebooting which although seems like a sign of greater instability, doesn't help when you have to keep staring at your screen ever 30 seconds to find out how long it lasted or look through log files if you miss it!

The only reason I went back to tuning the GTLs after being 100% stable is because I read a lot about the GTLs helping to lower vcore if tuned right (although I understand this isn't always the case).
After discovering that -ve GTLs worked better and gave me 8K stability with 1.425vcore (I needed 1.44v with +ve) I thought this was worth persisting with, but after returning this weekend, it all went out of the window!

I'll wait for my PSU and see how things go from there and probably make a decision about what to do. The inconsistencies I'm experiencing is now the main problem I'm having, nothing to do with getting stable, I just want to tune it properly!

[64dragon]

The inconsistencies I'm experiencing is now the main problem I'm having, nothing to do with getting stable, I just want to tune it properly!

understandable. Personally, after my experience with tuning the GTLs i don't think the board is made right or the equation they provide is completely wrong since the equation gave me -5,-45,-5,-45 and i ended up with 90,50,90,50 as being the most stable

[Mr.Pink]

Yes I'm aware of this, but it passed 1024k every time when I was blend testing with different CPU GTL combinations (that was over 25 times and always failed during the first two small FFT tests). I then leave it off over the weekend, come back and run the test with the exact same settings, volts etc, and the most succesful CPU GTL setting (so far) - then 1024k fails within 5-10 minutes. This is why it's so hard for me to tune this thing - it's simply not playing ball the way it should.
I've tried another restart and power cycle, and it's still failing at the same point - I've wasted so much time with this I'm tempted to at least RMA the board provided Arseus allow it, failing that I could hope that my new PSU (due to arive soon) could help the matter. If not I'll probably sell the board and try a gigabyte on for size. Sorry about these constant rantings, but It's really bugging me! I'm no noob to overclocking (since about 2000 and mainly spent time on the OCW forums) and I feel my experience is often enough to work out which settings need tweaking to get stable and get a good feel for how a motherboard operates.

Sorry, this isn't a dig at anyone taking the time to help me, it's always greatly appreciated, but I hope you see where I'm coming from! :)

Unless your FSB is above 450 GTL's are not really a factor for this board.
I too overclock and I do it rather well, I have been here for along time dont let the account fool you.
I think your letting your frustration get the best of you..have a pint relax and start from scratch..
I played with many bios versions I find some clock better than others for an example my 8400 clocks better on bios 1802 while my 9650 clocks better on 1307.. I own 2 MIIF boards and both run/clock very well. Its possible you have a faulty board but Asus will ask if its stable at stock

[Sejo5]

I have been searching everywhere on this thread for a Similar setup as mine i have tried all sorts of ways to keep it stabled anything passed 3.5Ghz can someone send me a layout that can help me it will be greatly appreciated.

Asus M2F
q9550 45NM yorkfield.
8GB PC1066 GSkill
800PSU
Water Cooling on CPU and NorthBridge
Ati 4800 Crossfire.

Right now im back to default this has been so frustrating. I was able to overclock my 6600GO on a P5WDH with very little Fuss.

Thanks in advanced.

[In-Fluence]

You're quite right Mr.Pink. I'm definitely going to take a step back, chill, and have a good think. I'll definitely try 1802 as well (I obviously missed the fact that this was actually a good one). I've tried 2202, 2104, 1901 and 1307 without much luck, but who know, maybe 1807 or any lower ones might help (if anyone knows which ones are good, please let me know).
Like you also say if gtls definitely need only be tuned whilst higher than 450, then I guess I could do without them. I'm just eager to get past this frustrating wall of 3.6GHz when I know I can get better out of it. >400x9 is an option I have also seemingly exhausted, so more bios are probably my last resort. 1307 seems to have done best for me so far.

...

Just a quick update - tried 1802 and managed to boot at 490fsb (still only 2 cores) which I couldn't do on any other bios, plus copy scores seem much better now. Still not easily stable, but this one seems better (so far).

[overclocking101]

I'm running bios 1901 and am able to 485 fsb stable in prime blend overnight but highest clockspeed thus far for my q6600 is 4.1ghz hit 4.2 on my asus P5Q-premium weird the rog board wont clock as high as the mainstream board did

[In-Fluence]

One further update, just tested the battery with a dmm, and it was about .3v less than a fresh one, so I put that in and have done a full clear of CMOS, perhaps this will help with the inconsistencies, perhaps bios settings werent getting saved properly?...

Just got my corsair HX850 too - 12v and 5v are above spec (with other psu they were lower), and vcore is being reported nearer to actual bios setting now - fingers crossed! :)

[Mr.Pink]

I'm running bios 1901 and am able to 485 fsb stable in prime blend overnight but highest clockspeed thus far for my q6600 is 4.1ghz hit 4.2 on my asus P5Q-premium weird the rog board wont clock as high as the mainstream board did

nice :up:
maybe you could post your profile as to help others with similar chips

[e.v.o]

whats up at the MIIF frontline?
what about that new 2202 BIOS? does it perform better?

[In-Fluence]

Not a great deal mate, seems the 2202 doesn't offer a great deal more. I'm not really having a huge amount of luck though :/

Does anyone find they have to use different GTLs for different bios or can they be the same?

Doesnt seem like the new PSU has done a lot for me :/

[overclocking101]

nice :up:
maybe you could post your profile as to help others with similar chips

sure thing m8 ;) is there like a template to use? i'll just post it rough on the settings I use right now if a setting is not listed then it's left on auto.

overclocking: Manual
Ratio: 9
FSB: 467
Strap: Auto
cpu delay: 200ps/300ps
nb delay: auto
all mem timings: auto
all mem tweakings: set to best for overclocking or auto
PCI-E: 105
CPUV: 1.61250v
CPU PLL: 1.80V
DRAMV: 1.850V
FSB: 1.475v
NB: 1.430
SB 1.5: auto
SB 1.1: auto
CPU GTL 1: +70 2: +40 3: +70 4: +40
NB GTL: +50
Spread spectrum: disabled
LLC: enabled

this is just for raw fsb and high clock stability, i have another that the memory settings are better with higher mem clocks but I was not able to achieve 4.2GHZ with the better memory serttings.

My setup:
Q6600 VID=1.2v
m2f
4GB OCZ low voltage 1066mhz
2XHD4870
ultra 1000w psu
all watercooled nb water cooled to
vista X64

any other questions?

[In-Fluence]

Wow, that's a lotta volts even for WC. I assume that's just for benching? What are your CPU temps like?

[Marcio]

Wow, I am new here, and just finished reading this thread.
Looks like only one guy managed to master this board and run it at 500FSB 24/7 with a quad. There were some few people showing their quads at 490-500fsb, but without any stability tests, so that means nothing.

Here is simps's quad, and its pretty much the only one I found on this entire thread, running 500fsb 100% stable.

494FSB (wtf, his board volts are so low for that fsb)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5383/4945ju6.jpg


500FSB (the only quad 500fsb stable overclock on this entire thread)
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5244/new50013wu3.jpg

He is aircooled he said, that is really impressive. I can't make my quad 500fsb stable on this board, even with lower cpu clocks.

[overclocking101]

Wow, that's a lotta volts even for WC. I assume that's just for benching? What are your CPU temps like?

yep those are high volts but 4.2GHZ settings. just got it stable last night, in order to get 485 fsb i have to drop the multi to 8 settings are the same ecxept vcore is a bit lower thats it will post at 492 fsb but as soon as it hits above 40% load it crashes

[64dragon]

Wow, I am new here, and just finished reading this thread.
Looks like only one guy managed to master this board and run it at 500FSB 24/7 with a quad. There were some few people showing their quads at 490-500fsb, but without any stability tests, so that means nothing.

Here is simps's quad, and its pretty much the only one I found on this entire thread, running 500fsb 100% stable.

494FSB (wtf, his board volts are so low for that fsb)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5383/4945ju6.jpg

He is aircooled he said, that is really impressive. I can't make my quad 500fsb stable on this board, even with lower cpu clocks.

seems he got lucky and got a really good board, don't know if it helps that he is running an extreme edition cpu.

with my Xeon x3330, i was able to boot at 490fsb with 1.38 vtt and vnb and 1.40 vcore on the 333 strap, i had never messed with the strap until this week so i might be able to get stable at 480+ if i try. i may look into it after i try the chip on a UD3P

[In-Fluence]

yep those are high volts but 4.2GHZ settings. just got it stable last night, in order to get 485 fsb i have to drop the multi to 8 settings are the same ecxept vcore is a bit lower thats it will post at 492 fsb but as soon as it hits above 40% load it crashes

Stable with 1.6v 4.2GHz and on watercooling? Or do you just mean bench stable? Let's see some screenies then!

I managed 4.08GHz which was just about stable enough for a 1M superpi run, and 4.05GHz for a 32M run, but didn't mess with it too much as I'm still trying to get a 24/7 stable config, but may try for more soon :D

Gone back to 1901 after having multiplier problems with 1802. Stabilising the system with the same settings used on other bios wasn't successful. Does anyone have to use majorly different settings for different bios (in particular GTLs, skews & voltages)?

[64dragon]

Gone back to 1901 after having multiplier problems with 1802. Stabilising the system with the same settings used on other bios wasn't successful. Does anyone have to use majorly different settings for different bios (in particular GTLs, skews & voltages)?

hmm, that could explain things with my issues OCing the 9505, guess i'll have to try 1901

[Mr.Pink]

Wow, I am new here, and just finished reading this thread.
Looks like only one guy managed to master this board and run it at 500FSB 24/7 with a quad. There were some few people showing their quads at 490-500fsb, but without any stability tests, so that means nothing.








He is aircooled he said, that is really impressive. I can't make my quad 500fsb stable on this board, even with lower cpu clocks.

you cant compare 45nm to 65nm on this board, might as well compare dualies to quads:rolleyes:

[humeyboy]

45nm should be easier to OC but I am beginning to wonder now.

Asus are lamers, lack of support is main issue with this Mobo.

[Mr.Pink]

I might pop in my old 6600 for fun it did 3.8GHz stable on X38 and could hit 4.0GHz bench stable, and would do 500FSB altho I had to disable 2 cores to do it

[overclocking101]

the settings are prime stable 4 hours but with ibt it overheats and shuts down. I'll post screenies soon enough I have lowerd it back down with the multi trying for 500fsb with this quad but it just wont do it

[Hurtn4ASquirtn]

Hi everyone my first post and im stoked to be part of the forums. Big thanks to Ghostleader to get me to to 4.0 with this board. %100 stable

Mobo - Asus Maximus II Formula

Cpu - E8500 ( Zalman 9700 Cooler )

Ram - 2x2gig 8500 OCZ Reaper

Video - Vapour X 4890

PSU - 1200w Coolermaster


Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up [Auto]
Ratio CMOS Setting [9]
FSB Frequency [450]
CPU Clock Skew [Delay 100ps]
NB Clock Skew [Normal]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [333]
DRAM Frequency [DDR2-1081]

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1 [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2 [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1 [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2 [Auto]

DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
CAS# Latency [5]
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay [5]
DRAM RAS# Precharge [5]
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge [15]

The rest of memory setting is at manual timings

DRAM Static Read Control [Auto]
DRAM Read Training [Auto]
MEM. OC Charger [Auto]
Ai Clock Twister [Strong]
Ai Transaction Booster [Manual]
Common Performance 8


PCIE Frequency [100]

CPU Voltage [1.3250]
CPU PLL Voltage [~1.50]
FSB Termination Voltage [~1,30]
DRAM Voltage [~2,20]
North Bridge Voltage [~1,35]
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage [~1,50,one step above auto]
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage [~1,10, one step above auto]

CPU GTL Reference (0) [Auto]
CPU GTL Reference (1) [-40]
CPU GTL Reference (2) [Auto]
CPU GTL Reference (3) [Auto]
NB GTL Reference [-40]
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage [Auto]
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage [Auto]
North Bridge DDR Reference [Auto]


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting [9]
C1E Support [Disabled]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Intel Virtualization Tech [Disabled]
CPU TM Function [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Disabled]

Load-Line Calibration [Enabled]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]

[Mr.Pink]

:welcome:

try this

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9.0
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-900
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Enabled
MEM OC Charger : Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : Whatever your CPU needs
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
FSBT : 1.33850
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
North Bridge Voltage : 1.39150
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 1 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 2 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 3 : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[CryptiK]

It's only 450 FSB / 4.05 GHz on a dual core, it shouldn't need such high Vtt.

1.1 - 1.25v Vtt range should be fine.

[Mr.Pink]

It's only 450 FSB / 4.05 GHz on a dual core, it shouldn't need such high Vtt.

1.1 - 1.25v Vtt range should be fine.

I cant do all the work, he can fine tune the volts once the chip is stable

[Hurtn4ASquirtn]

Thanks guys will try those settings and report back thanks heaps for the help I appreciate it.

Prime 95 fails within 10seconds. LOL I'm really pulling my hair out im a bit lost.

[darkgregor]

Hi everyone my first post and im stoked to be part of the forums. I'm hoping someone can give me help to overclock my E8500 to 4.0 with this board. Any help is much appreciated here are my specs.

Mobo - Asus Maximus II Formula

Cpu - E8500 ( Zalman 9700 Cooler )

Ram - 2x2gig 8500 OCZ Reaper

Video - Vapour X 4890

PSU - 1200w Coolermaster

I have tried a few different things, On the settings below I lasted 1 hour and 6 mins before fatal error in prime 95. FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4 ( Is this a ram related error ? ) I have a bit of idea what im doing with the voltages but that's about it. ( Below is someone template I copied ) Please help where am I going wrong.

Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up [Auto]
Ratio CMOS Setting [9]
FSB Frequency [450]
CPU Clock Skew [Delay 100ps]
NB Clock Skew [Normal]
FSB Strap to North Bridge [Auto]
DRAM Frequency [DDR2-900MHz]

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1 [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2 [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1 [Auto]
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2 [Auto]

DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
CAS# Latency [5]
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay [5]
DRAM RAS# Precharge [5]
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge [15]

The rest of memory setting is at auto

DRAM Static Read Control [Disabled]
DRAM Read Training [Disabled]
MEM. OC Charger [Disabled]
Ai Clock Twister [Auto]
Ai Transaction Booster [Auto]

PCIE Frequency [100]

CPU Voltage [1.3625]
CPU PLL Voltage [~1.50]
FSB Termination Voltage [~1,30]
DRAM Voltage [~2,20]
North Bridge Voltage [~1,40]
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage [~1,50,one step above auto]
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage [~1,10, one step above auto]

CPU GTL Reference (0) [Auto]
CPU GTL Reference (1) [-40]
CPU GTL Reference (2) [Auto]
CPU GTL Reference (3) [Auto]
NB GTL Reference [-40]
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage [Auto]
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage [Auto]
North Bridge DDR Reference [Auto]


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting [9]
C1E Support [Disabled]
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Intel Virtualization Tech [Disabled]
CPU TM Function [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit [Disabled]

Load-Line Calibration [Enabled, if disabled you may have to raise CPU voltage with 0,04v]
CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]

you could see it .... ( Moliere language )

http://kio74.skyrock.com/2.html

[In-Fluence]

I've taken out my MIIF and am trying a P5Q-Dlx from work over the weekend for comparison's sake. It seems to be very similar although I think I'm gonna be able to push further with this.
It's interesting how the pullins work with this board and ket's modded bios but not with the m2f - would it be at all easy to perhaps do the same for the m2f given that they're similar boards? Lack of temp & voltage monitoring is quite a downside, and I'm missing the little LCD screen too.
MIIF will go back in next week though and looking forward to getting back to it as during the board changeover, I discovered a big load of gunk in my CPU block, and temps have plummeted as a result. Not sure if it was growth over the past year or a result in using some pretty poor quality anti-freeze! I dread to think what has built up in my radiator! Any good advice on how to flush all this out?

[humeyboy]

Yes there is a guide here somewhere, involves 2 different types of vinegar.

[In-Fluence]

Cheers Humey, that's a good keyword to search for :)

[humeyboy]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17683179&highlight=rad+cleaning

[In-Fluence]

Oooh, just spotted this! (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3955043&postcount=2026) Has anyone tried it? Any improvemets? Don't remember seeing it talked about in this thread..

[Mr.Pink]

yeah he did a 1307 mod bios nothing to get excited about, all he does is copy a memory table .....

[humeyboy]

No gain, All MF II Bioses are crap (all claim better memory support not much more).

Cant fix what Asus don't add to it, Memory support (look at list) is poor, many that can run 1200mhz sticks on other Mobos will not do so on MF II and the Pulls In's have never worked so WTF is point in putting them on Mobo and in the Bios lol.

[In-Fluence]

Quite right, I heard that some of the modded bios fixed them on the P5Q which was the only reason I got my hopes up a little. Still, the P5Q-D seems to go well at 457*8 which was a lot harder to get on the MIIF. Havent even bothered with gtls, mainly because I haven't tried to work out their equivalent from the MIIF settings. Would moving +/- 5 mv on the MIIF be the same as x0.635/x0.625 (given that x0.630 is standard on GTL0/2)?

It is indeed frustrating to spend this much money on the MIIF only to discover Asus' support is getting very shabby. I'll probably go DFI or Gigabyte next time around, but that won't be until I think about going i9 or something better - I've spent far too much money & time on all this and must use my PC more :) I've gotta say that new Foxconn P55 board looks mighty sweet though!

[Mr.Pink]

Quite right, I heard that some of the modded bios fixed them on the P5Q which was the only reason I got my hopes up a little. Still, the P5Q-D seems to go well at 457*8 which was a lot harder to get on the MIIF. Havent even bothered with gtls, mainly because I haven't tried to work out their equivalent from the MIIF settings. Would moving +/- 5 mv on the MIIF be the same as x0.635/x0.625 (given that x0.630 is standard on GTL0/2)?

It is indeed frustrating to spend this much money on the MIIF only to discover Asus' support is getting very shabby. I'll probably go DFI or Gigabyte next time around, but that won't be until I think about going i9 or something better - I've spent far too much money & time on all this and must use my PC more :) I've gotta say that new Foxconn P55 board looks mighty sweet though!

I was hoping your REV 3 mobo was going to be a stellar board, I see that rev 2 or 3 really makes little difference. It is a sad day when Asus drops support on its top line P45, frustating to say the least. Maybe I'll bring my Q6700 home from work and play around with it

Here is a GTL calculator you can DL, it will do the math for you. Try negative and positive values, my Q9550 really liked positive values and would fail with negative.

http://cid-988b91f35a949678.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/GTL%20REF%20CALC.exe

[In-Fluence]

So was I, it seemed to like the E8400 I put in there and I managed 614fsb without too much trouble though - not sure if that's anything special - it's just hates my q6600! After I get a 4g kit of memory, I'll look into going 45nm I think. Won't cost me too much after I sell my Q6600. Q9550 seems like the one in my price trange - I assume most users get ~4GHz out of them.

Thanks for the calculator, it's handy to have something that doesn't need excel :)

[Mr.Pink]

np

This board really likes the dualies but for some reason quad chips suffer, most max at 470-475 stable.

[humeyboy]

To get 4GHZ on a Q9550 you are going to need hit 470FSB and that's about/approaching where most top out on these Mobos.

I am at 475FSB but any higher is temperamental and so unstable.

[In-Fluence]

Couldn't get 457x8 stable with 1219MHz DDR on the P5Q but 1142MHz is as easy as pie (sorry, don't remember the strap). MIIF does seem to be able to get a little more stable at the same speeds, and I can run a lower PL too, but the CPU seems harder to stabilise. It does seem evident that the MIIF does seem better at running memory and general NB performance is quite well tuned, but that FSB hole after ~47x is quite a nuisance, and 478 is around the point where 2 cores disappear on my quad.

I'm tempted to try out my E6700 from my lappy in there and see how it does with the 10x multi although I couldn't get a high FSB with that in my P5B (Unlike my E6300 which could get 552FSB), so I don't hold a lot of hope there. Would be good to see if I can push it any more though, as I know it can do ~3.5GHz already.

[humeyboy]

I would hope a Rev A3+45nm Quad could get 500FSB but it is then resting on the Bios support or lack of lol.

[In-Fluence]

Yes, it definitely seems more commonplace to see the 45nm quads get to 500fsb. I got my hopes up before I bought this board reading carefully through Simp's guide to acheive 490-500 FSB on a q6600, but my CPU's capabilities clearly fell short of that which was a let down, particularly after spending quite a bit of time researching the best option. Going back to the P5Q-D seems to have proved (for me) that Asus' bios support for the MIIF is lacking, particularly now that I've been blending away for 8hrs at 459x8 with no increase in voltage, and could probably push for a few more MHz (which I will). I might even keep my hands on the P5Q-D and sell off the MIIF if results prove rewarding, which is definitely a big let down from Asus considering how much more I paid for it.

[Mr.Pink]

Yes, it definitely seems more commonplace to see the 45nm quads get to 500fsb. I got my hopes up before I bought this board reading carefully through Simp's guide to acheive 490-500 FSB on a q6600, but my CPU's capabilities clearly fell short of that which was a let down, particularly after spending quite a bit of time researching the best option. Going back to the P5Q-D seems to have proved (for me) that Asus' bios support for the MIIF is lacking, particularly now that I've been blending away for 8hrs at 459x8 with no increase in voltage, and could probably push for a few more MHz (which I will). I might even keep my hands on the P5Q-D and sell off the MIIF if results prove rewarding, which is definitely a big let down from Asus considering how much more I paid for it.

I toss'd in my old 65nm chip today for a quick run, could NOT do 450x8 stable for the life of me, 460 would not boot, now this is the same chip than ran 3.8GHz stable for a 24/7 setup on a x38 board...

500FSB ( had to disable 2 core to boot)
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/th_500fsbquad.jpg (http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/?action=view&current=500fsbquad.jpg)

4.0GHz
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/th_40-2.jpg (http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/?action=view&current=40-2.jpg)

3.825GHz
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/th_3800final.jpg (http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/?action=view&current=3800final.jpg)

[In-Fluence]

Interesting stuff :) 459x8 proved 8hr blend stable, just pushed to 461 and it's still going strong after 2 hours. Whether or not I got lucky with the GTLs I don't know, I just moved one notch per 5mv from good GTLs on my MIIF with rougly the same vtt. I also used the same voltage and NB GTL as on the MIIF too - seems surprising how similar these 2 boards are, except the P5Q-D seems better from my experience so far.
Here's 459x8 stable on the P5Q-D:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/459x8-1148stableP5Q-D.jpg

[Mr.Pink]

it would seem the MIIF is a dualie board only, I have a E8400 that runs 4.3GHz stable for 24/7 on a Rampage board, wonder what it would do on this pos

[Starage]

I could run my board to 540 100% stable, but had to drop the multiplier on my E8400 to 7.5. I could get 560 but ran instability problems. I wish I had an E8600 in there.

[Musho]

500fsb with a 45nm quad with all 4 RAM slots used? Yes we can!

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=713216

[Musho]

prime blend running. I know it isn't much yet, but atleast it is showing _some_ stability. It's still running as I'm typing this.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7566/firstsignsofprimeblends.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/firstsignsofprimeblends.jpg/) http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/firstsignsofprimeblends.jpg/1/w1680.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img12/firstsignsofprimeblends.jpg/1/)

[GFORCE100]

prime blend running. I know it isn't much yet, but atleast it is showing _some_ stability. It's still running as I'm typing this.
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That's only been running 8 minutes, anything can happen.

Post settings if you want the majority here to believe you, the general consensus is that the MIIF will not do 500MHz FSB with a quad.

[Leeghoofd]

If some P5Q Dlx's can, I think this one can too, but it might take some time and maybe some good strong rams to get there, FYI also not all REX mobo's do 650FSB either... always some luck involved...

[Musho]

This is _not_ about 24/7 stability for me. It's about enough stability to run Some benchmarks. Also, I don't think many people are able to boot to Windows at 500fsb, let alone running prime. I stopped prime after 15 minutes without any errors. Working on 9*500 now ;)

[Musho]

9 * 500 with 4 RAM modules installed. Even posting this message from the same machine at the same speed ;) Vcore is prolly way higher than it really needs, just wanted to get some quick validation done. Gonna try prime now. Wish me luck :up:

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=713253

[Musho]

Small FFT test got a bit toasty. Quickly reached 75c on the hottest core. Blend instantly crashed. Gonna tinker with my settings a bit more now.

[Leeghoofd]

try 8 x 500 then mate, these 9650 cpu's prefer to stay sub 70°C

[humeyboy]

He is doing well, I never managed to prime that long at 500FSB.

Infact most times I cannot even post Bios at 500FSB it is temperamental.

He may have a Rev 3 NB but we cannot see the correct Tab in CPU-Z to see.

Can you please post a Template for that please.

[Mr.Pink]

This is _not_ about 24/7 stability for me. It's about enough stability to run Some benchmarks. Also, I don't think many people are able to boot to Windows at 500fsb, let alone running prime. I stopped prime after 15 minutes without any errors. Working on 9*500 now ;)

now now lets not be so hasty :D
9x500 has already been done stable no, benchable YES!!!


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/MIIF_CPUZ_500FSB.jpg

[Musho]

I think my board is using the NB rev 2. I'll double check once I have time. Currently playing with loads of setting to gain stability in prime blend :p best so far at 9 * 500 was 2 second :rofl::ROTF:

[Musho]

That screenshot is with just 2 RAM sticks, though ;) using more slots, stresses the NB more, even with the same total size

[Musho]

Yep, it is rev 2. The validation file got corrupted though :p

[humeyboy]

Hmm makes no difference to me if 1 stick or all 4 (8GB), still temperamental.

Forget 9x Multi for now, use lowest Multi and get FSB maxed and stable.

[Musho]

Why focus on the 6x multiplier? From crashing within 2 seconds of pressing start, to this. I know it isn't a lot, but I'm getting closer. I'm going to continue on pushing this setup tomorrow. It's time for me to catch some sleep now. College tommorow morning. Good luck guys:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7660/primek.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/primek.jpg/) http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/primek.jpg/1/w1680.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img4/primek.jpg/1/)

[Musho]

Quite an improvement over instantly freezing in my opinion. I can even use the computer now at 4,5ghz for webbrowsing without it crashing at all. I'll continue on tweaking tomorrow. I WILL get it stable, well....hopefully :D

:up:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5532/endofadventure.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/endofadventure.jpg/) http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/endofadventure.jpg/1/w1680.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img43/endofadventure.jpg/1/)

[Mr.Pink]

That screenshot is with just 2 RAM sticks, though ;) using more slots, stresses the NB more, even with the same total size

yes thanks for the already known information..

but I'd rather have the badwidth and reduced latency, running 8GB's for me offers nothing that 4GBs cant do...

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/500x8_1200ram.jpg

[humeyboy]

Why focus on lowest Multi, you ask.

Well to OC and find MAX FSB you do not leave it on 9 as you will not know if you fail on FSB or overall MHZ as you would be at 4.5GHZ if you got 500FSB.

I think you should concentrate on proving 500FSB is stable before you worry abut anything else.


The above is pointless, showing us Prime for a few minutes at a time, get 500FSB stable at lower Multi then if its 100% raise multi and you only need worry about .PLL and VCore after that.

[GFORCE100]

Why focus on lowest Multi, you ask.

Well to OC and find MAX FSB you do not leave it on 9 as you will, not know if you fail on FSB or overall MHZ as you would be at 4.5GHZ if you got 500FSB.

I think you should concentrate on proving 500fSB is stable before you worry abut anything else.

Musho,

humeyboy speaks wise words. Think about it. If you let emotions take over your overclocking bonanza then you'll have too many variables all affecting your overclock and thus stability. In such case it will be tedious to find out what's wrong (especially as things get ever so sensitive around 500MHz FSB on a quad).

My 2 cents is use an 8x multiplier and get 4GHz stable in Prime95, LinX, 3DMark and whatever else you choose to throw at it.

We know it's exciting but before you take a step forward take two steps back and consider the easier/quicker way to finding that sweet spot.

Of course as you're in college hence have ample time on your hands you may choose to ignore our recommendation.

[64dragon]

what is the highest i could run vNB for 24/7 use?

I threw my Xeon chip back in and am trying to raise the clock from 3.5ghz to see how high it will go for 24/7 use, i've boot at 3.9ghz so i know the chip can go higher. i'm currently working on 3.64ghz (8*455) but so far have vNB at 1.43 and failing Orthos. Load temps are all under 47C. Maybe i need to tune gtl's on it first?

[In-Fluence]

Eeek, what happened to Mr.Pink? Banned you say?

[CryptiK]

OK, I found a nice Q9650, so I decided to dust off my M2F for some action :)

What's the consensus on the best BIOS for quads now? I'm still on 1901 and I have 1307 on the secondary chip. When you suggest a BIOS please state your reasons.

I'm currently focusing on Large FFT's as its where this board has the most trouble, small FFT's and LinX are easy by comparison. The vcore is obviously much higher than I need for the clock, I'm just testing FSB only. I haven't had much time with it, but this is what I've managed so far.

1 HOUR+ Large FFT / 467 FSB / 1.26 Vtt / PL 8 @ 1.30 vNB / 560 MHz @ 5-5-5-15

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/1hourlargeFFT467FSB-126Vtt-130vNB-P.jpg

[In-Fluence]

Looking at your vcore and overall speed, it's pretty clear that one of these 45nm chips would basically pee all over my q6600, particularly with this board. I'm struggling with 462x8 and on 1.48v. Makes me think how much electricity I could save too!
Think I'll get a Q9650 after my OCZ blades, and will hope to have a nicely tuned, quiet, low voltage rig when I'm done :)

[64dragon]

:eek: how is your VTT and vNB so low?? i realize you're only 1hr in but i doubt my board would boot 460 with those voltages. i needed 1.457vNB to get my X3330 (equivalent to Q9400) stable at 3.68ghz (8*460). maybe i need to move to 1901 BIOS from 18xx

[humeyboy]

I only need 1.27v VTT and NB for 475FSB, its past that's it totally unstable and tempormental.

[yoyoo73]

Hi guys, brand new on XtremeSystems.
First, excuse my poor english, Molière is easier for me than Sheakspeare (frenchies and others languages...).
Second, big, big and big thanks for all and your replies, helps me fully to find stable oc.
Third: how to get sig on this forum?
And last, screens about my system :
2 hours Prime blend
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5103/480x85strap266ram1200.th.png (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/480x85strap266ram1200.png/)
BP everest and cpuz/gpuz
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1002/bpeverestcpuzgpuz480.th.png (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/bpeverestcpuzgpuz480.png/)

[Leeghoofd]

good stable clock there mate :) bien fait

For ya signature go to USER CP ( top of ya screen ) and edit signature there

[yoyoo73]

Thanks, mate. Done for sig. Merki !

[e.v.o]

http://xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30

SLI @ P45. If anyone has my already SLI Patches BIOS, then go for it!

[KURTZ]

http://xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30

SLI @ P45. If anyone has my already SLI Patches BIOS, then go for it!

hi EVO, you mean your 1901 patched bios?

[In-Fluence]

Well, I just signed my life away for 8GB OCZ blade 1150 DDR2 and a Q9650 (and another 120mm Thermochill rad), which I hope will be with me by the end of this week. Can't wait to give these a go on this board, although I don't expect very high memory clocks with 8GB, but it'll be nice to stretch this board's legs a bit, and be able to compare against a few more rigs in this thread.... Watch this space :)
After this I'm done spending cash on it for at least 2 years!

[humeyboy]

If you get the right memory it will do 1200mhz with 8GB.

This Mobo is simply picky, I cannot even get past 1175MHZ with 1 stick but these sticks can do 1200mhz in other Mobos (older Rev Corsair Modules).

Getting off the 1:1 Ratio may lighten the load on the NB and let you get 500FSB on the new Quad.

If I were you I would have either gotten the newer 1200mhz OCZ (1.85v) or the 1200mhz G.Skill Trident (1.80v)

[In-Fluence]

I did hunt around for 1200MHz ram, but the only stuff I could find that were specced at decent timings (i.e. 5-5-5-15) and were in stock were the GSkill PI's which I know are among the best DDR2, but I couldn't justify paying double the price for them. There's not much info on their ripjaws, and the timings didn't fill me with confidence either, but I do admit they would look good on the MIIF. The blades are likely to do 1200MHz according to some buyer reviews (one guy reached 1300 5-5-5-18), but with 4 sticks, and this board, who knows?! :)
The fact is that I bought all these parts on a 'buy now pay in 12 months' scheme, which meant my choice was limited to one shop, but I'm happy with what I got, and I hope it'll all be with me on friday. I'm feeling pretty confident some reasonable clocks are on the way and I will be certain to report my findings! :D

[e.v.o]

yeah, i mean my SLI patched 1901 BIOS which i made many months ago ... i think there must be a link somewhere inside this thread :p

[KURTZ]

yeah, i mean my SLI patched 1901 BIOS which i made many months ago ... i think there must be a link somewhere inside this thread :p

DOWNLOAD (http://www.fniv.it/board/downloads/1901_sli.zip)

[In-Fluence]

Aww bugger, if only I'd got my hands on it a few weeks ago I would have had two 8600GTs to try this with.

[Eeky NoX]

Don't care any more but that was a great stuff to test :D ...Enjoy MIIF Ownaz ^^

[CL3P20]

Heres a pic of my MIIF running small FTT's @ 550mhz...trying to get Blend test stable with PL12/13 now.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/OCN%20post%20pics/20min_smallFTT_550fsb.jpg

Just curious if anyone is running over 570mhz FSB..and if so, did Skew or GTL's get the extra 'mile'..? I can boot up to ~590mhz, with NB air cooled..PL14 @ 1.55v...just trying to find some NB stability over 550mhz is tough. :(

[Starage]

I was doing 560. It is a really nice overclocking board. Anything more was not stable.

[In-Fluence]

Just curious if anyone is running over 570mhz FSB..and if so, did Skew or GTL's get the extra 'mile'..? I can boot up to ~590mhz, with NB air cooled..PL14 @ 1.55v...just trying to find some NB stability over 550mhz is tough. :(

Seems like you're encroaching on some nice stable fsb speeds. I wasn't really going for stability when I tried an E8400 in there, but tuning the NB & CPU clock skews can really help at high fsb. They're quite easy to find, and in most cases the NB is better off being delayed more than the CPU.

Finally got my board back from what was probably the worst RMA experience of my life, but the final result has got me another A3 revision board with bios 2202 already flashed, and it seems to behave a load better than my previous one. I'm now lowering vcore and mch, while testing 400x9 w/DDR1200 pl6 and it need less volts overall. :cool:
I've also had lots more rounding errors rather than the reboots and hangs I used to get before, much happier now. Can't wait for my Q9650 and 8Gb of blades!

[CL3P20]

So far, the following settings have made stability a reality at 540mhz FSB..

NB clock skew- delay 100ps
CPU clock skew- delay 100ps

RAM skews as follows:

advance 100ps
delay100ps
delay100ps
delay100ps

vcore- 1.43
FSBv- 1.35
PLLv- 1.75
NBv- 1.52
SB1.1- 1.16
SB1.5- 1.51

CPU GTL's:
+50mv
+10mv
+50mv
+10mv

NB GTL- -50mv

I am currently on PL13, with booster set to 'moderate'...tweaking further with latency is crapping out the NB still..but I am getting close. Now 4hr Blend stable.

[In-Fluence]

Good work, keep going, I'm sure you'll get there eventually! How did you go about tuning your ram skews? It's the one thing I never got around to doing with my last board. 100/100 on the skew actually seems about right, my suggestion to delay the NB more came from having a quad, but if I remember correctly normal/100 worked best for me with the E8400.

Your NB and DDR Refs might seal the deal if you tune those up, but they're not as easy to find as the skews.

How are you cooling the NB? Temp seems really low for 1.5v+ and I'm getting much higher temps with lower volts and a waterblock on it!?!

[CL3P20]

For the RAM skews, I was noticing the 'fine clock delay' in Everest..displaying the following for the RAM slots:

6T
2T
2T
4T

....Some bandwidth testing with 1x stick in the different RAM slots, showed me similar results with the latency of the different RAM slots @ a given speed/timing set. It was then, I started advancing the skew for the first slot, as I believe it to have a higher skew by default [maybe due to the difference in trace length in the mobo..]. It has worked great! ...and Delaying the skew on the other slots/channels has gotten me a smidge further in tightening down NB latency as well. Without RAM skews set, my NB is not stable with Clock Twister set to 'Moderate'...with skews set, I have gone just over 4hrs in Blend without errors [stopped test for moar tuning..not due to errors].

As for DDR Ref I leave mine set for +.35mv for speeds over 1100mhz..and set NB Ref to 'Auto' still.

*My NB temp is most likely false..as there is a 80mm fan sitting on it. :D I got 545mhz last night...but was having random lock-ups [no BSOD]..gonna try again later with ~1.8v PLL and see how it goes.

[CL3P20]

..quick Pi run at 556mhz FSB, PL14 and loose timings

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/OCN%20post%20pics/9313sec_1mil.jpg

and a even quicker PiFast run at 570mhz FSB, PL14 no timing adjustment.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/OCN%20post%20pics/1894sec_hexus.jpg

..will push for better FSB, once my chiller is operational again.

[WaterFlex]

CL3P20
Awesome. Can you show your chiller tems, just interesting :up:

[CL3P20]

....pics of the rev2 chiller ready for lead testing...then CPU and GPU will get sealed up better. Hoping for -70c with the changes I made from last time. :D

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/my%20rigs/P1060374.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/my%20rigs/P1060376.jpg

[In-Fluence]

Hehe, uber-cool stuff. Did the skews help you get there at all? I got past 600fsb and managed a 1M PI run with an E8400, but couldn't bust the 10s mark.

I had a little fiddle with the ram skews though, seems like A1 at advance 150, and B1 at advance 50 gave me the least memtest #5 errors. I'm gonna try & set them tonight and see if I can push past 1200, seems pointless when CPU & RAM will (hopefully) be replaced soon.

Yes, I'm STILL waiting for my order to arrive - 3 weeks now, and it's doing my nut :(

[WaterFlex]

CL3P20
Insane rig :up:

[Ghostleader]

Hi guys, I gave that SLI hack a shot on my MIIF

Hardware used, Maximus II Formula / E8600 / 2x2 OCZ Reaper ver3 PC-8500 / XFX 9800GTX Black Edition

E8600 @ 450 4,05, 2x2 OCZ Reaper PC-8500 @ 1080 555 15 tRD 8 strong

Here´s how I did it.

1 - Install Win7 RC x64.
2 - Install System and 191.07 Win7 x64 (WHQL) drivers.
3 - Disable UAC.
4 - Restart.
5 - Run SLI String Installer v1.81 (http://www.xdevs.com/sli/SLIStringInstaller%20v1.81.zip) as Admin select ASUS certificate.
6 - Run HAL Mod 0.9a (http://www.xdevs.com/sli/HALMod%20v0.9%20alpha.zip) as Admin
7 - Copy moded nvlddmkm.sys (rev2) Win7 x64 (http://www.xdevs.com/sli/nvlddmkm-64bit_rev_2.rar) to C:\windows\system32\drivers\
8 - Sign the nvlddmkm.sys with the Driver Signature Enforcement Overrider (http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=dseo), select "Sign a System File", type in C:\windows\system32\drivers\nvlddmkm.sys

( Check out this for more info, Activating NVIDIA SLI on all motherboards, detailed HOW-TO (http://xdevs.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.30))

Reboot, and we have a SLI capable system
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/SLI01.jpg

Enable SLI
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/SLI02.jpg

Some benchmark comparision between single card and SLI

Single
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE86003DMark06Single.jpg

SLI
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE86003DMark06SLI.jpg

Single
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600StalkerClearSkyDefaultMSAA.jpg

SLI
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600StalkerClearSkyDefaultM-1.jpg

Single
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600CrysisVHgpu0xSingle.jpg

SLI
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600CrysisVHgpu0xSLI.jpg

Single
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600CrysisVHHarbor0xSingle.jpg

SLI
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600CrysisVHHarbor0xSLI.jpg

Single
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600CrysisWarheadGamer0xSingle.jpg

SLI
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600CrysisWarheadGamer0xSLI.jpg

Single
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600CrysisWarheadEnthusiast0xS.jpg

SLI
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/VGA/MIIFE8600CrysisWarheadEnthusiast-1.jpg

That was it, pretty good scaling for a couple of old 9800GTX I most say

[CL3P20]

:eek: Woot!! I will have to give that a shot...and see how 8800GS SLI plays on the MIIF. :D *btw..got the chiller running yesterday.. @ -54c :up: Still tuning latency on PL12 between 540-570mhz [talk about tough] I really need a NB pot for this mobo to see decent latency at this FSB. NB is just fine with 1.48v ..but temps must be below 20c to hold 3D stable..

quick pic and bench
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/IceBox/P1060391.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/IceBox/P1060382.jpg

lowered the Pi time a bit..still tuning for 9.0/sub8's though..
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/OCN%20post%20pics/9235sec1mil.jpg

..also ran AM3 with my GS and E8400 @ 4.9ghz..managed 7th overall :D ..will definitely be tuning for lower ranking now!
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii220/CL3P20/OCN%20post%20pics/8800GS_49ghz.jpg



@ Ghostleader..bookmarked your post.. if I have any issues once I get around to the hack, I shoot you a PM.

[powellandy]

Hi

You don't need to use modded driver AND modded HAL. One or the other (when used inconjunction with a registry DST string inserter or modded BIOS).

Andy

[GaBBa-Gandalf]

here my best results...

560 MHz Primestable FSB @ vNB 1,44V

http://www.abload.de/thumb/560fsb_primestable75wg.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=560fsb_primestable75wg.jpg)

540 MHz Primestable FSB @ vNB 1,30V

http://www.abload.de/thumb/540fsb_primestablewzyn.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=540fsb_primestablewzyn.jpg)

[boo9000]

Hi, I'm posting here because you guys are clearly pc experts : - )

I have broken my PS2 keyboard port on my MIIF whilst changing keyboards, the port has recessed into the metal housing and I now get "Keyboard Interface Error" on bootup. My machine seems to be runniing fine with a usb keyboard but I really need some reassurance that it will not cause a short in the future and kill my components.

I cannot afford a new MB at the moment and good replacement Core 2 MB's are becoming hard to find in stock, now.

So what do you experts say, is it nothing to worry about ?

Many thanks,
boo

[In-Fluence]

The fact that the board has detected the issue isn't a bad thing, and you could assume that the circuitry is probably quite isolated from a lot of the more important parts of the board, but the board has detected a short in the socket. It might have shut the socket off but without a voltmeter it would be hard to tell.
If it was me, I would probably try and pull the socket out again until it didn't give the error (or if possible, un-solder it completely), shorts aren't a good thing over long-term because things can heat up or burn. Keep it running, and take a look around the area of the socket. Check for burns, strange smells, excessive heat. If the board starts to become unstable, I would suggest keeping it turned off until you remove the socket entirely.

[boo9000]

Thankyou, great advice, very much appreciated!

My brother used a screw to grasp the connector and pull it back in to place as far as possible.

No error messages at bootup now, the PS2 port is ruined but that is very cheap compared to a solder repair job or a new motherboard.

Hopefully job done : )

Thankyou!
boo

[SkOrPn]

I bet Asus would replace that board for you just by telling them you keep getting a keyboard interface post error on bootup. ROG products get the best replacement service from Asus, at least thats my experience with them. I recently had to replace my MIIF and when I got the replacement I discovered my troubleshooting was in error and nothing was wrong with the old board. Asus did not care that I was wrong and only wanted to make sure everything was working properly even though I was in error and not the board. Not sure if you would get the same good service from them though. But it is my bet that you can live without the PS2 port.

[boo9000]

Hi, thankyou for your reply, I did think about contacting Asus support but the whole process seems like so much hassle to me, unfortunately that's how my mind works, I would most likely just buy a new one (if I had the funds).

Yes I agree no working PS2 port should not be a problem, what a bummer of a thing to happen tho, I imagine everyone breaks their computer or other hardware at some point lol : -)

Many thanks.

[In-Fluence]

I bet Asus would replace that board for you just by telling them you keep getting a keyboard interface post error on bootup. ROG products get the best replacement service from Asus, at least thats my experience with them. I recently had to replace my MIIF and when I got the replacement I discovered my troubleshooting was in error and nothing was wrong with the old board. Asus did not care that I was wrong and only wanted to make sure everything was working properly even though I was in error and not the board. Not sure if you would get the same good service from them though. But it is my bet that you can live without the PS2 port.

I RMA'd mine around 2 months ago - I took care to pack all included items in the box like it was new (I even put the plastic stickies back on the mosfet sinks). 2 weeks later I got a crushed, taped up MIIF box with just a motherboard and a severely scrunched up manual! No sound card, no i/o backplate, cables, CD or LCD poster. I sent it back right away, and after 2 more weeks I finally got a new board. I was astounded!

[SkOrPn]

I RMA'd mine around 2 months ago - I took care to pack all included items in the box like it was new (I even put the plastic stickies back on the mosfet sinks). 2 weeks later I got a crushed, taped up MIIF box with just a motherboard and a severely scrunched up manual! No sound card, no i/o backplate, cables, CD or LCD poster. I sent it back right away, and after 2 more weeks I finally got a new board. I was astounded!

It clearly states in the RMA procedure to ONLY send the mobo back and nothing more. you are not suppose to include your original box or accessories, just the mobo and a standard ups, usps or fedex box. Just take care in packing it so it arrives un-damaged. Asus does not send new retail items back to its customers, so you actually got lucky. Below is the RMA email you get when dealing with their RMA service..



**Please do not respond to this email. For any inquiries, please contact the Customer Service Department at http://livesupport.asus.com or 812-282-2787 Option 2**


Dear Rod,

Your RMA# is xxxxxxxxx
Please complete the attached forms, sign, and fax back to (510) 608-4511 or email xship_rma@asus.com. Please allow up to 24 business hours for processing and before ship out.

**IMPORTANT:
- Any incomplete forms will cause a delay in processing time and All fields with a “*” must be completed.
- Serial # should be taken from actual product.
o Located: top of purple parallel port, actual side of PCI / Power Connector, underneath side of product. Format will be 10 or 12 digits and will start with a number, excluding 0 and 3rd digit will be M or Z
o If any discrepancies please contact Customer Service Team immediately by phone
o If s/n# is altered or missing on physical product, ASUS manufacturer’s warranty is void. Please see http://support.asus.com for more detail on your warranty.
- Part# must be listed on forms. Part # will be located near the edge of the board on a white / green sticker approximately 20 digits alpha-numeric including dashes. Example: C56B123-02347-60-MBL100-A02 or 90-MBL100-G0UAYZ
- Revision # is located near PCI slots in small white print next to model name imprinted on physical product
- Defective products must be received within 14 days from received date; otherwise credit card will automatically be charged and no refunds will be given.


You must write your RMA# on the outside of package. (If you do not write the RMA# on the outside of your package product will be rejected at the time of delivery).

Please do not include any accessories such as manuals, software, CPU, memory, retention mechanisms or clips, cables, Non-ASUS Products or your original box. If you send any of the above mentioned items they will not be returned or replaced.

Physical damage is not covered under your ASUS manufacturers warranty and automatically VOIDS your warranty. ASUS reserves the right to reject any product received with physical damage.

- Damage can include any shape or form of corner / edge damage / markings with pens and/or markers

- Broken traces or burns due to improper installation / removal of other components

- Broken CPU socket or bent pins


ASUS - USA is a warranty repair service center. Please contact place of purchase for credit, refunds, upgrades / model changes, or new retail box replacement. ASUS does not provide these services under any circumstances.

RMA Return Shipping Address:
ASUS Computers International

Attn: Xship Dept, RMA #xxxxxxxxxxx

800 Corporate Way

Fremont, CA 94539


Thank you,


ASUS Customer Service Team

812-282-2787 or 510-739-3777

Customer Service: Option 2

Technical Support: Option 3

[eddieobscurant]

My abit ix38-quadgt died and i change it with this one. I'd like to ask if there is a way to change the dram vtt, because i can't find it but pc probe 2 monitors it and it's giving different values depending on my overclock, so I assume there is somewhere an option and i left it on auto. Or does it change by itself when i change the ddr voltage? What's the maximum safe value for everyday use for dram vtt?

[In-Fluence]

It clearly states in the RMA procedure to ONLY send the mobo back and nothing more. you are not suppose to include your original box or accessories, just the mobo and a standard ups, usps or fedex box. Just take care in packing it so it arrives un-damaged. Asus does not send new retail items back to its customers, so you actually got lucky. Below is the RMA email you get when dealing with their RMA service..

I went via the retailer and followed their instructions. They were annoyed with Asus though.

[GeorgeVasil]

here my best results...

560 MHz Primestable FSB @ vNB 1,44V

http://www.abload.de/thumb/560fsb_primestable75wg.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=560fsb_primestable75wg.jpg)

540 MHz Primestable FSB @ vNB 1,30V

http://www.abload.de/thumb/540fsb_primestablewzyn.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=540fsb_primestablewzyn.jpg)

Could you post your settings for these please?? :)

[dro]

I have an E8400 paired with M2F
Previously I had to rma my board as I saw that the NB was at 80~90'C ish even when at stock 3.00ghz
Even after a washer mod.......still getting the same temperature reading

Well now I just got the board back form RMA
But I'm still getting the same temperature reading on my NB

I'm currently running 3.00ghz @
vcore=1.1v
vnb=1.1
vtt=1.1
vpll=1.5
vdimm=1.9v

Anybody care to help? Will post a SS soon enough


:UPDATES:
The board has been behaving these past few days
Temperatures drop.....but lingers around 70-80ish
Uploaded a screen shot too

http://img.techpowerup.org/091101/M2F-E84-3GHZ-1066.jpg

[64dragon]

dro, you should replace the stock thermal paste if you haven't done so yet.


time to update my status, this IS on air cooling, wish my board was better cause my chip has room to go
currently at 3.9ghz (8*486)
vcore 1.393v in bios 1.31v under orthos load
vNB 1.55v
VTT 1.40v
PLL 1.55v

pic
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/coldmm803/pc/x3330/orthos39ghz2.jpg

[In-Fluence]

Yes Dro, definitely take off that heatsink assembly and give it a clean with some alcohol or dedicated TIM cleaner. Lay the assembly flat out on the table too and check to see if there is any twisting. If you get it right, you can gently bend the areas to provide more contact with desired area. Replace the heat paste with something like arctic MX3 for best performance, and when you screw it back on, start with the NB screws first, and work your way outwards. If pumping 1.4v through it, I often reach the 60's but never 70°C. If all that fails, I would say you have a duff sensor. Good luck!

[64dragon]

when replacing the thermal paste, don't forget the 2nd part of the NB block, the piece that unscrews from the larger assembly.

i used IC D7 paste and didn't see NB temps over 52C. my pic above is the temps with aftermarket heatsinks, my NB is a thermalright hr5-sli ifx, the mosfet to the left of the socket is thermalright hr9 type 2 and above the socket is Enzotech 81 something or other, SB is also an Enzotech but i may change that to a thermalright also.

[In-Fluence]

It's strange how my NB temps seem to be so much higher, I can only put it down to running a 65nm Quad (as opposed to the majority who are running 45nm), it also seems that I generally need more NB volts too. It was the same on my P5B-D. On both MIIF boards the lowest NB Idle temp I saw was around 37-38°C, and that was with the NB naked against a waterblock, but as you might have seen a few pages back, without the heatsink assembly, some temps improved slightly, and other just increased beyond comfortable.

Once I get my new bits in, I'll probably go for seperate sinks on the SB and mosfets, and put the waterblock back on the NB. Hopefully a good system flush, followed by installing an extra Rad, exhaust fan and using better coolant will yeild better results. I've been stuck with the last of this huuuge tube of AS5 paste for a good few years now, so I hope my MX2 and MX3 will also improve matters. The memory and CPU I hope to receive by the end of the week will almost definitely will :)

[dro]

hey guys

thanks for the feedback
actually this is my 2nd M2F that i test
the 1st set was a loaner from a good pal mine
then i decided to buy one for myself

this didnt occur on the loaned set......but only to mine


last time before sending mine out for RMA
i removed every piece of the heatpipe assembly
i tried everything from washer mod to changing TIM
same results.......
thats when i decided to sent it in for RMA

upon receiving the board from RMA
everything looked new
i remember i kinda flex the board at the top mosfet area and there was no sign of flex when it came back
so i assumed they must have fix the board
unfortunately......same problem still exist


i wouldn't mind and i'd totally understand if i'm getting 70-80'c at 1.4v or sumting
but the thing is im running 1.1vcore, 1.1vnb, 1.1vtt & 1.5vpll

[In-Fluence]

Definitely sounds like another duff board mate, I would get it shipped back if the following fails:

Does the temperature drop if you push down on the northbridge area of the heatsink whilst on?

Just a long shot, but have you tried double-checking the temperature in everest? I've never really trusted the Asus probe software - it's functional, but a resource hog and buggy. Does bios show high NB temps too?

[64dragon]

agreed, last time i used Asus Probe (4 yrs ago), it didn't read true half the time.

[Ket]

I RMA'd mine around 2 months ago - I took care to pack all included items in the box like it was new (I even put the plastic stickies back on the mosfet sinks). 2 weeks later I got a crushed, taped up MIIF box with just a motherboard and a severely scrunched up manual! No sound card, no i/o backplate, cables, CD or LCD poster. I sent it back right away, and after 2 more weeks I finally got a new board. I was astounded!

Asus DO say on their site to NOT send all of the accessories and additional stuff, JUST the board :p:

[In-Fluence]

I know, the RETAILER asked me to send everything back. I was just following their instructions. What they did from that point on wasn't my problem :)

[Ket]

Well if the retailer said to send everything back to asus, then their stupid. Just caused you 2 more weeks of pain :(

[In-Fluence]

I shipped the item to the retailer. Tbh I think they did botch it a bit as they ended up sending me a brand new one which came from another online store. I would assume they probably sent the complete kit back to Asus and they sent back an appaulingly packed board directly to me. I've done it this way before without any major hassle. My guess is the retailer realised Asus' procedure for sending back boards, but wanted to provide a good service and got a new one for me. Either way they came through good, and I borrowed work's P5Q-D until I got the replacement so there wasn't anything lost really. In fact, it was a good opportunity to see what the P5Q-D could do :)

I'm about to try out your bios, gonna have a go with the reapers first, then try the dominator gt's if things go well.

[Ket]

I'm getting good results so far :up: Experimenting with low voltages and so far 1.35v NB seems enough for 465FSB PL8, RAM @ 1166MHz, ain't too bad so far. This mBIOS is almost like magical pixies dancing inside my mobo, the vanilla 2202 just didn't let me OC with any stability - period.

[64dragon]

I'm getting good results so far :up: Experimenting with low voltages and so far 1.35v NB seems enough for 465FSB PL8, RAM @ 1166MHz, ain't too bad so far. This mBIOS is almost like magical pixies dancing inside my mobo, the vanilla 2202 just didn't let me OC with any stability - period.

are you saying that your modded bios is helping lower NB volts or you just happen to have a board that does well at low volts?

[Ket]

From my experience with the modded BIOS, its helping lower volts for me. With vanilla 2202 I needed 1.4v NB to even attempt that.. nevermind get it stable. Currently I'm sitting on 475FSB PL8, deffo not too shabby for minimal work :up:

[Mikefra2008]

I have the bios 1901 also I have the g-skill trident 2x2 1066mhz, all that it he bears in oc without moving 1.8v?


Maximus2 formula
E8600
2x2 trident 1066mhz 1.8v wath chipset it has ?

[In-Fluence]

Stay on 1.8v, your memory should be good with that voltage. I'm not sure I understand what you were asking.
For chipset voltage, it depends what performace level and clock twister you want to run as well. Try 10 and 'lighter', then raise them. Try and stay around 1.3-1.4v for northbridge.
Did I understand your question correctly?

I would like to know how well the tridents work. I'm considering buying some different memory. Will you try to overclock it? ;)

[De5tr0yer]

Hey fellas, I have a hard time getting my q6600@3.8GHz.

I had asus p5k and biostar tpower i45 before and my q6600 would run stable at that freq with 1.46V (same as I used on m2f), but now I seem pretty lost in all the options of this MB. It needs roughly 1.5V to get to win without bsod.

BIOS: 2104

Could you help me out with this maybe?.

Options I currently use are below


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 423
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1016
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : auto
Ai Clock Twister : auto
Transaction Booster : manual
perf level 12
pull in all disabled


PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.46875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325
FSBT : 1.259
DRAM Voltage : 2.15775
North Bridge Voltage : 1.35175
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.53975
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.13975

CPU GTL Reference 0 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 1 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 2 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 3 : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[In-Fluence]

Trust me, I wasted months trying to get my Q6600 stable when overclocked. The only 2 things I feel are worth suggesting are to try adjusting CPU/NB skews to something like 100 for CPU and 200, 300 or 400 for NB. This helped me stabilise a lot at higher fsb, but test your own values and find the most stable point. I also found it was a lot easier to get 450x8 stable than 410x9 for some reason, so try to find out your max fsb, if you can boot 470-490 easily then it might be worth trying the x8 multiplier. You will probably need higher vtt and NB for this though. You'll also need to tune GTLs over 450fsb. Good luck with that, keep us posted ;)

On another note, I'm having a lot of trouble getting ~96-64k FFT stable. I've tried raising pll, vtt, nb voltages and adjusting gtls, but it just doesn't want to play ball. It always resets when hitting 96k and occasionally fails the 80k prior to that. Another overnight bleand test proved stable everywhere else until it hit the 96k range. At this point temps are at their highest across the board, but don't go far over 50°C which is still lots cooler than with my Q6600 before so I don't think its overheating (Q9650 hits 62-63°).
Anyone else experienced this and know how to stabilise?

[radaja]

not sure anyone saw this sticky yet?they are focusing on the
newer chipsets but say they will accept input on all ROG products
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=238770

[De5tr0yer]

I've remembered it wroooong godamit :D

I had 3.6GHz@1.46V (drop was about 0.03), so i don't actually have a problem... :)

Works fine :)

[lha]

On Maximus 2 Formula and setfsb what code should i use?
This far the ICS9LPRS918BKL is worked pretty good.

[humeyboy]

SETFSB does not yet support P45, it freezes mines. (look in "read me")

[lha]

SETFSB does not yet support P45, it freezes mines. (look in "read me")

OK.
Its weird that i have tried ICS9LPRS918BKL and JKL and some 919 ended works just fine for me.

[radaja]

ICS9LPRS918BKL this is the one that works for all
the P5Q series it should work with the MaxII.

[Mikefra2008]

It is possible to use the Heatpipe cpu and Mosfet Nb of the Asus Rampage extremes?..

[CryptiK]

Possible, never tried. However they are essentially identical in design, I'd be extremely surprised if there was any temp difference at all assuming you could even use it. You should be able to screw on the extra NB fins from the REX in place of the stock 'pin fin' NB block.....not sure if this would help at all though the main issue is the crappy block & 3 layers of paste. The basic design is absolutely terrible for both HPA's.

[In-Fluence]

Did a bit of a rebuild today and pimped my rig. Nice to be able to monitor coolant temps now. Also got rid of the heatsink assembly. NB temps weren't reassuring enogh for me. Now I feel I can give this thing some volts and see how it fares :)

Here's my post in the w/c gallery thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4110271&postcount=1298

And the kind of load temps I'm looking at:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/Postwcmodtemps.jpg

Unfortunately after removing my waterblock I noticed it wasn't making fulll contact with one corner of the CPU, I think it's surface is really uneven, but really don't want to lap it yet. Temps are still quite even on all cores though.

[bhzrd_rs4]

I have the bios 1901 also I have the g-skill trident 2x2 1066mhz, all that it he bears in oc without moving 1.8v?


Maximus2 formula
E8600
2x2 trident 1066mhz 1.8v wath chipset it has ?
please please please guys, dont listen to this animal...what he is doing is to overclocking his computer, damaging it and then he sell it, he doesn't know anything about overclocking.
Here in chile, mikefra is a liar and a scammer, after doing this, he sell his computer...this is the only place where he can get some help with his computer

sorry my english, if you can, read this

http://www.overclockers.cl/foros/index.php?showtopic=249604

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photos&ref=ts&gid=175764822034#/group.php?v=wall&ref=ts&gid=175764822034

http://www.tarreo.com/foro/index.php?showtopic=528498

http://www.madboxpc.com/foro/Asus-Rampage-Extreme-X48-Nueva-Sellada-t109517.html

http://www.madboxpc.com/foro/Denuncia-estafadores-Moderadores-Chw-t111141.html

http://www.chw.net/foro/overclocking-f76/284714-el-mejor-overclocker-de-chile-mikefra.html

bye

[In-Fluence]

good news for you de5tr0yer btw :) I guess I must have just had quite a naff q6600, yours seems to fly along nicely. Are you gonna try and push higher?

I've spent the past couple of days tweaking my board with this q9650 and I gotta say it does suit it very nicely. I'm running some good speeds at good volts with plenty of headroom for both temperature and voltage. So far I've managed 4.32GHz P95 stable (one complete blend loop at 480x9) with a measily 1.3v :cool:
Been at 490x9 for a day or so, but still not quite got it right. It's failing around the 320-256kfft mark, changing voltages hasn't helped, but still more to explore - gtls next - I'm sure this will get me close and I'll discover what needs adjusting to help compensate. I'm also suspecting skews to 300/300 might be worth a try as it helped me to do a 1M PI bench at 509x9, alas, I've still not broken the 10s barrier :(

One major setback is the rather high improbability that I'll manage anything over 500fsb stable which is a shame, I'm sure this CPU could do a lot more.

Any recommendations from this point?

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/432GHzStable1153PL8vcoretuned.png

[Geordie72]

I was removing HSF from my board, the stupid reverse thread screw that feeds down through the board to a normal thread not became loose, preventing me from removing the HSF.
My only option was to lever in a mini visegrip to try and hold the screw to allow me to get the nut of and remove the HSF.

Anyways, the vicegrips slipped and i damaged a capacitor, didnt look too bad but when i fired it up the two small compoents circled blew.
They also need to be replaced, but I'm waiting on some info so i can identify them.

I have sourced a repacement capacitor and have a decent soldering station.
I have also successfully recapped motherboards before.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/rapideyevj/OCING/th_DSC00009.jpg (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/rapideyevj/OCING/DSC00009.jpg)

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/rapideyevj/OCING/th_DSC00011.jpg (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/rapideyevj/OCING/DSC00011.jpg)

If anyone can help (Im asking around) with identifying the components in the red area I would be very gratefull indeed.
A close up picture showing the markings on the 2 small components (resistors i think?). Thanks :up:

[In-Fluence]

Sorry to say mate, but I wouldn't hold a lot of hope. Your best bet might be to try and get another broken M2F and swap bits from that, but those parts are tiny and although I worked in a SMT factory, these parts are very hard to identify. I would also say that its likely other components are now damaged because you switched it on after you broke it. I'd go for a new board to be on the safe side, damage around that area could mean bad things for your CPU/RAM

[eSp!s0]

You could try to rma it. I had the same situation with my Maximus Formula board:
I removed heatpipe and installed alternative coolers and at the first start a small piece was damaged. So I reinstalled the old pipe and sent it to the shop. A few days later I got a mail from the shop that they saw that the heatpipe was removed and that they will send it to Asus. 2 weeks later I got my board back from Asus, repaired!
Really lucky I guess. But it`s worth a try (that`s very bad english, isn`t it? But I don`t know it better, sorry.)!

[Mikefra2008]

please please please guys, dont listen to this animal...what he is doing is to overclocking his computer, damaging it and then he sell it, he doesn't know anything about overclocking.
Here in chile, mikefra is a liar and a scammer, after doing this, he sell his computer...this is the only place where he can get some help with his computer

sorry my english, if you can, read this

http://www.overclockers.cl/foros/index.php?showtopic=249604

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photos&ref=ts&gid=175764822034#/group.php?v=wall&ref=ts&gid=175764822034

http://www.tarreo.com/foro/index.php?showtopic=528498

http://www.madboxpc.com/foro/Asus-Rampage-Extreme-X48-Nueva-Sellada-t109517.html

http://www.madboxpc.com/foro/Denuncia-estafadores-Moderadores-Chw-t111141.html

http://www.chw.net/foro/overclocking-f76/284714-el-mejor-overclocker-de-chile-mikefra.html

bye

Noob works !!!

[Musho]

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=850009 :up:

Tried to do a superpi 32m at that speed, but I crashed 7,5 minutes into the test. :(
Do note the pretty high NB stress. I'm running the 1:1 RAM divider because my ram sucks.
Can boot into windows with same setup with ram at 1225mhz, but it is less stable. Crashes 3 minutes into 32M superpi.
I'm also running all 4 slots occupied.

[humeyboy]

Same as I stated in other thread means next to nothing unless hours of Prime and a few runs of IntelBurnTest. ;)

I have been in /windows running normal everyday Programs/Apps at over 500FSB but then next restart it will not work, thats Asus for you.

[CL3P20]

Same as I stated in other thread means next to nothing unless hours of Prime and a few runs of IntelBurnTest. ;)

I have been in /windows running normal everyday Programs/Apps at over 500FSB but then next restart it will not work, thats Asus for you.

My MIIF is sensitive to NB temps once latency starts to get down under 60ns..or if pushing for FSB over 515mhz. DICE'd it will run 575FSB + with tighter latency..but air cooled limit for me, is ~520mhz FSB with ~57ns latency.

[humeyboy]

My MIIF is sensitive to NB temps once latency starts to get down under 60ns..or if pushing for FSB over 515mhz. DICE'd it will run 575FSB + with tighter latency..but air cooled limit for me, is ~520mhz FSB with ~57ns latency.

Your on a Dual Core m8, I had 575FSB with my E8600 with lowish voltages (8GB Memory).

A Quad Core is a different kettle of fish though. :)

[Starage]

Hello

I have changed out my board for a foxconn black ops.
It now sits in its box and I have no use for it.
It is a great board, I just could not pass up the good deal from newegg for the x48.

If I was to sell this asus board, what would I get for it?
Where would be a good place to sell it?
I also have a Q6700 to sell to.

Thanks

[vampire2k5]

Dear all!!!

i've got a problem with this mainboad.. i have a q9650 and i can set all the cpu pll value without any problem. There is a little overvolt but it's ok. When i try the same think with a e8600 cpu q22a435 it seems to have cpu pll locked @ 2.106. every value i set i get 2.106 in bios monitor? any idea?


thanks

vamp

[De5tr0yer]

Dear all!!!

i've got a problem with this mainboad.. i have a q9650 and i can set all the cpu pll value without any problem. There is a little overvolt but it's ok. When i try the same think with a e8600 cpu q22a435 it seems to have cpu pll locked @ 2.106. every value i set i get 2.106 in bios monitor? any idea?


thanks

vamp

You have pll voltage set at 2.1V? And CPU is still working? :eek:

Or is it just me who learned that the pll V must stay as low as possible?

[vampire2k5]

You have pll voltage set at 2.1V? And CPU is still working? :eek:

Or is it just me who learned that the pll V must stay as low as possible?

i set it at 1.51v and now from bios i read 2.2v cpu is alive for now and under oc works pretty well with very low temp. I hope in a sensor problem of the board. the strange thing is that with my q9650 i have no problem with cpu pll.

[De5tr0yer]

i set it at 1.51v and now from bios i read 2.2v cpu is alive for now and under oc works pretty well with very low temp. I hope in a sensor problem of the board. the strange thing is that with my q9650 i have no problem with cpu pll.

Then it is not cpu PLL Voltage, check the names again.

But if your cpu works, then surely it isn't 2.2V ;)

[vampire2k5]

Then it is not cpu PLL Voltage, check the names again.

But if your cpu works, then surely it isn't 2.2V ;)

i`m sure about it.. it`s cpu pll voltage .. with my q9650 if i set it @ 1.51 volt i have a little overvolt but it`s ok. with the e8600 it`s going crazy and every voltage i set it always show me 2.106 or 2.2v ...
I`m writing both to intel and asus support...

Vamp

[eSp!s0]

You could check it again with a tool like Everest or something to see if it displays another value.
If you are on an old bios version, you could try a update.

[In-Fluence]

Have you tried removing the CPU, powering up without one in, then putting your dualie in again? This clears the CMOS, and I assume might help it prep for another cpu... I had a similar problem recently where after swapping my GFX card from the 8x PCIe slot to the 16x one, my CPU kept hitting 100°C and shutting off, after checking voltages all were actually normal, even after loading a pre-saved profile, but CPU was deinitely reaching that temp judging by how quickly the liquid heated up. Doing the aforementioned solved it though. It didn't half scre me though, but no real damage done I think...

[vampire2k5]

Have you tried removing the CPU, powering up without one in, then putting your dualie in again? This clears the CMOS, and I assume might help it prep for another cpu... I had a similar problem recently where after swapping my GFX card from the 8x PCIe slot to the 16x one, my CPU kept hitting 100°C and shutting off, after checking voltages all were actually normal, even after loading a pre-saved profile, but CPU was deinitely reaching that temp judging by how quickly the liquid heated up. Doing the aforementioned solved it though. It didn't half scre me though, but no real damage done I think...

when i moved from q9650 to e8600 it told me that a new cpu was in use. I also tried ALL the bios from 13** to 2202 but nothing happens. Now i will try this cpu with a rampage formula..

tnx

Vamp

[eSp!s0]

CMOS Clear!?

[De5tr0yer]

when i moved from q9650 to e8600 it told me that a new cpu was in use. I also tried ALL the bios from 13** to 2202 but nothing happens. Now i will try this cpu with a rampage formula..

tnx

Vamp


How did you update bios? If you've done it from win, try from dos.

And ofc, clear cmos before upgrading bios ;)

[kup]

Got a bit of an odd problem here guys...

I've got a Q6600 LinX stable @ 3.8GHz w/ 1.45v on this board but I cannot get 3.9GHz for love nor money! 1.5v fails, 1.55v fails. 1.6v fails! But it doesn't just lock or crash, anything over 1.488 volts seems to just reboot the system as soon as it gets 100% load.

It's a new M2F with a 1.25v VID Q6600 and a new Corsair 850HX PSU so I know it's not the power requirements that are failing it...

Has anyone got any ideas as to why it would just power down from a certain voltage onward? Are there any jumpers I need to move to allow a certain voltage limited to be lifted (I couldn't see anything documented)?

[In-Fluence]

I had the same issue with my P5B, and it only slightly improved with this board, but did enable me to boot at 4GHz with a Q6600. The only thing I feel might be worth checking is the 'TM enable' feature under CPU settings - make sure it's disabled if you havent already as this can cause the PC to shut down / reboot if temps hit TJmax (normally 71°C on these chips). Failing that, CPU/NB skews might be worth a try - post your settings, there might be something we're missing..

[kup]

I had the same issue with my P5B, and it only slightly improved with this board, but did enable me to boot at 4GHz with a Q6600. The only thing I feel might be worth checking is the 'TM enable' feature under CPU settings - make sure it's disabled if you havent already as this can cause the PC to shut down / reboot if temps hit TJmax (normally 71°C on these chips). Failing that, CPU/NB skews might be worth a try - post your settings, there might be something we're missing..
CPU TM disable hasn't changed it. :( I'm quickly trying my older Thermaltake Toughpower 850w to see if it's the PSU.

It is literally anything above 1.45v does it. I might try with lower clocks to see if I can isolate it as a voltage problem.

EDIT: Toughpower exhibits the same behaviour. Back to drawing board...

Gunna try 3.6GHz with 1.5v...see if it'll push it over the edge like that...

[kup]

Ok, it seems to be certain FSB/vCore combo.

9x400 1.35v vCore = stable.
9x400 1.5v vCore = stable.
9x425 1.45v vCore = stable.
9x425 1.5v vCore = stable.
9x435 1.5v vCore = shutdown.

8x450 1.35v vCore = stable.
8x450 1.5v vCore = shutdown.
8x475 1.45v vCore = stable.
8x475 1.5v vCore = shutdown.

My basic voltages for 520MHz FSB Prime stable with 8GB ram are:

vPLL = 1.5v
vFSBT = 1.4v
vDIMM = 2.3v (within ram specs so it's safe)
vNB = 1.4v
vSB 1.5v = 1.5v
vSB 1.1v = 1.1v

I have tried bumping all the voltages up to the first yellow value (I forget the values for each one) and keeping the vCore @ 1.5v and it still reboots so it doesn't seem to be a vPLL/vFSBT/vNB voltage problem.

Would loosening the Transaction Booster level to 11 or 12 make a difference?

[In-Fluence]

I'd be stunned if you were completely stable at 520MHz FSB, I assume that's a typo?

From my experience, I think it's quite a common trend for Q6600's and Asus boards to shut down with high vcore. My P5B did it, and P5Q, and MIIF, although I got furthest with the latter. Might be the same for other brands but couldn't say for myself.

[kup]

I'd be stunned if you were completely stable at 520MHz FSB, I assume that's a typo?

From my experience, I think it's quite a common trend for Q6600's and Asus boards to shut down with high vcore. My P5B did it, and P5Q, and MIIF, although I got furthest with the latter. Might be the same for other brands but couldn't say for myself.
Completely stable @ 520MHz. :D 500MHz can Prime Blend indefinitely and I've had about 2-3 hours out of 520MHz before I got bored... :p:

I've never had an Asus board do it before which is what is bugging me. :(

[humeyboy]

Please post your 500FSB settings. :)

Also is your mobo a Rev A2 or A3 NB ?

[kup]

Please post your 500FSB settings. :)

Also is your mobo a Rev A2 or A3 NB ?
vPLL = 1.5v
vFSBT = 1.4v
vDIMM = 2.3v (within ram specs so it's safe)
vNB = 1.4v
vSB 1.5v = 1.5v
vSB 1.1v = 1.1v

Transaction Booster @ 10
DRAM Static Disabled
Clock Twister @ Strong.

It's an A3 Northbridge. This Primed for an entire night. I fought with it for ages and eventually went back to basics, lowest volts, overclock, stable, overclock more, fail, more volts, stable, overclock more... I got to 485MHz with 1.3v vNB and vFSBT but from 485 to 520MHz needed 1.4v for both.

[humeyboy]

OK 1st thanks for info but its not really any good to anyone.

Need to know if its 1:1 and GTL Values etc.

I gather by your Memory Voltage its not 1:1 (which is harder on NB) unless that's PC6400 your overclocking.

I cannot go for non 1:1 for 5000FSB as my Memory will not do 1200mhz on this Mobo (supposedly it will on other Mobos as its the older Rev and clocks well).

All the Memory settings that can be enabled or disabled should not matter if 1:1 if its at least PC8500 as at 1000mhz it will be underclocked.

Also due to me currently doing some work on PC I have only 4GB installed so it again should be easier even on a Rev A2 NB.

I tried your above settings be it a different NB and CPU but it would have been a good starting point IMO.

I cannot even get to Windows, chucks it after Bios posts.

I have Primed at 500FSB before but it was not for long and no settings were stable for any 2 reboots and even tried it with only 1 Memory Module so 2GB and even a 1GB PC6400 Module I know does 1000MHZ in other Mobos and it still isn't stable.

[In-Fluence]

Like Humeyboy said, detailed o/c settings would be ideal. There's a template available if you go into the intel forums, then click on the paperclip by this thread's name :)
Would like to see some screenshots too, as I'm sure most people on this thread would as I think this far over 500FSB stable is unheard of on this board. Could you double check CPU-Z and check the number of cores?
I could get 500fsb stable but only with 2 cores enabled, the other two disappeared somewhere beyond 488 and there was a gaping fsb hole until ~500. It didn't play ball with that chip at all for me. Q9650 is lots better in this board now, but still not that impressive, which is why I'm gonna give a UD3P a whirl like so many others.

[kup]

OK 1st thanks for info but its not really any good to anyone.

Need to know if its 1:1 and GTL Values etc.

I gather by your Memory Voltage its not 1:1 (which is harder on NB) unless that's PC6400 your overclocking.

I cannot go for non 1:1 for 5000FSB as my Memory will not do 1200mhz on this Mobo (supposedly it will on other Mobos as its the older Rev and clocks well).

All the Memory settings that can be enabled or disabled should not matter if 1:1 if its at least PC8500 as at 1000mhz it will be underclocked.

Also due to me currently doing some work on PC I have only 4GB installed so it again should be easier even on a Rev A2 NB.

I tried your above settings be it a different NB and CPU but it would have been a good starting point IMO.

I cannot even get to Windows, chucks it after Bios posts.

I have Primed at 500FSB before but it was not for long and no settings were stable for any 2 reboots and even tried it with only 1 Memory Module so 2GB and even a 1GB PC6400 Module I know does 1000MHZ in other Mobos and it still isn't stable.
Sorry, I was just posting the settings I had changed to achieve the clocks.

GTL settings were AUTO, ram was 400 strap, performance level 10, clock twister @ strong, dram static disabled and ram @ 1:1 so @ 1000MHz.


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 6
FSB Frequency : 500 / 510
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1000 / 1020 (510MHz)
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : auto
Ai Clock Twister : strong
Transaction Booster : manual
perf level 10
pull in all disabled


PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.25
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
FSBT : 1.4
DRAM Voltage : 2.3
North Bridge Voltage : 1.4 / 1.5 (510MHz)
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 1 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 2 : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference 3 : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

All 4 cores. I don't have my 520 settings to hand but these are my Prime blend 12hours stable for 500/510MHz.

I don't have any screenies atm but I can get a couple of quick LinX runs tomorrow if people want? I don't see why people would disbelieve what I've said, I thought I'd been around long enough and put enough time and effort into the Rampage Formula thread to not need to provide proof for my clocks. :(

[kup]

Got 520MHz w/ 8GB Priming for you guys now.

[radaja]

Sorry, I was just posting the settings I had changed to achieve the clocks.

GTL settings were AUTO, ram was 400 strap, performance level 10, clock twister @ strong, dram static disabled and ram @ 1:1 so @ 1000MHz.



All 4 cores. I don't have my 520 settings to hand but these are my Prime blend 12hours stable for 500/510MHz.

I don't have any screenies atm but I can get a couple of quick LinX runs tomorrow if people want? I don't see why people would disbelieve what I've said, I thought I'd been around long enough and put enough time and effort into the Rampage Formula thread to not need to provide proof for my clocks. :(
dont take offense,were not doubting your skills but the MIIF itself.

[kup]

dont take offense,were not doubting your skills but the MIIF itself.
That's cool, I know what ya mean, sometimes very out of line results crop up and they need to be verified. :up:

I'm about 2hours into a 520MHz Prime Blend session. It's got a touch more voltage than for 510MHz but it's stable and Priming. I'll either post pics in about 10 hours on my lunch break or tomorrow evening after work. :cool:

[radaja]

hell im happy with 2-3 hrs prime blend.thats quite the accomplishment with a quad and the MIIF

[kup]

hell im happy with 2-3 hrs prime blend.thats quite the accomplishment with a quad and the MIIF

I woke up this morning to a locked screen after about 7 hours (according to start time and frozen clock) so have started again for you. My only screenie was just under 2hours in so I'll post that plus any more I have this evening.

[In-Fluence]

Seems like you're doing extrordinarily well Kup. Like others have said, it's not that we don't trust you, but so you can confirm the virtually unbeleivable! The amount of time I've wasted trying to get my board stable at 460+fsb with my old quad, and ~500fsb stable with my current chip is silly, and I'm just speaking for myself! Massive kudos for getting as far as you have, would be great to see higher clocks. Does it still behave if you up the multi?

[kup]

Cheers dude. Sorry for coming in here all headstrong, I didn't realise it was such a high fsb until you guys said. 500 was a breeze and the 510 and 520 were a bit of a struggle which is why I thought lots of people would have done it too.

I usually test with a quick 3run blast on LinX and if it passes that I'll try for at least 6hours Prime x64 Blend or Small for cpu.

Funny enough, with only 4GB installed I experience more instability than with 8GB...lol.

[In-Fluence]

Funny enough, with only 4GB installed I experience more instability than with 8GB...lol.

Will be able to try that for myself shortly. Turns out my RMA'd sticks have been sitting in our local sorting office for a week and I've had no 'failed delivery' card... Royal mail are doing themselves no favours at the moment! :ROTF:

What revision is your board? 1.03G?

[kup]

Not sure off the top of my head but I'll have a look when I get home tonight.

[kup]

As promised...

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6600/520mhz5hour.th.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/my.php?image=520mhz5hour.jpg)

This crashed after five hours but this is during the day so it's warmer. I came home to find my curtain had fallen down (lol) and was caught in the fan on my heatsink...oops! :rofl:


Massive kudos for getting as far as you have, would be great to see higher clocks. Does it still behave if you up the multi?

It behaves @ 500MHz up to 3.5GHz and then I can't go any further because I go past my CPU's limit (bloody thing is 3.825GHz stable with only 1.45v but hits a solid wall right there as documented above ^^^).

[radaja]

those are insanley high volts on the vtt/NB/pll
but nice job:up:

[kup]

those are insanley high volts on the vtt/NB/pll
but nice job:up:
I don't run it like that for 24/7 operation. :D :eek: I'll work on lowering those volts. :up:

Any ideas why I would hit a wall with overclocking, as I commented on above?

[radaja]

not really sure why,but maybe just try getting 7x500@3500 stable with decent voltages.
does 7.5x500@3750 work?

[kup]

not really sure why,but maybe just try getting 7x500@3500 stable with decent voltages.
does 7.5x500@3750 work?
Q6600 here so no half multipliers. :(

I've flashed Ket's mBios 1901v2 and will retest everything again. I'm sure I had it running past my 'wall' on the 1901 bios before I flashed it but I don't have anything documented in my notebook. :(

EDIT: And this board is a rev 1.02g.

[radaja]

whats the chipset rev?you can find it in cpuz under the motherboard tab,its either A2 or A3
oh i didnt know that about the Q6600.just stick to 7 then

[kup]

It's an A3 chipset.

[In-Fluence]

They are very high volts. I bet you would be able to get that 520MHz setting stable and lower a load of volts after tuning your NB and CPU GTLs. Very impressive indeed though, well done... I've not tried such high NB volts myself but with it sitting naked against a waterblock and it not hitting more than 40°C with over 1.5v, I'm starting to wonder if a bigger bump would make all the difference...

[kup]

Ok, I'm struggling with the GTL values. What should they add up to? CPU GTL equation should add up to...? And NB GTL equation should up to? I've used the settings presented in the GTL thread for 65nm CPUs (+50,+10,+50,+10) and it lowered both 3.6GHz and 3.8GHz required vCore for LinX x64 stability (3.6GHz @ 1.35v and 3.8GHz @ 1.4375v) but I'm unsure what the NB GTL should add up to, is it supposed to be whatever the vNB is?

[humeyboy]

I too have not got a real answer on NB GTL's but I cannot run Minus only Auto or Positive.

I am at 475FSB on 1.27v NB & VTT and NB seems best at +40.

I can get 485FSB stable with Ket's Bios but the gain in voltage although not too high is not worth 10MHZ IMO.

I want next 500FSB or I simply will stay at 475FSB.

Today I wasted all my time on once again trying to clock this POS to stable 490+FSB and no matter how much voltage or what tweaks its no go for long if it even boots (ain't the same any 2 boots).

If I were you I would be thankful and clock down to 5000FSB and lower voltages (yours are crazy high).

[kup]

I too have not got a real answer on NB GTL's but I cannot run Minus only Auto or Positive.

I am at 475FSB on 1.27v NB & VTT and NB seems best at +40.

I can get 485FSB stable with Ket's Bios but the gain in voltage although not too high is not worth 10MHZ IMO.

I want next 500FSB or I simply will stay at 475FSB.

Today I wasted all my time on once again trying to clock this POS to stable 490+FSB and no matter how much voltage or what tweaks its no go for long if it even boots (ain't the same any 2 boots).

If I were you I would be thankful and clock down to 5000FSB and lower voltages (yours are crazy high).

The voltages are nice and low again now, that was only a bench/test run.

I've found a nice guide on GTL settings here - http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/569273-asus-maximus-ii-formula-overclock-help-4.html#post7161320

I'm a bit confused as to which I tweak to what for a 65nm CPU, do I tweak .667 to .635 or .635 to .667 for the CPU GTL?

[humeyboy]

Just found out what I set was correct for my NB.

Treat it the same as the CPU GTL's (weird as the NB is not the same nm as the CPU I have).

[Marcio]

kup, those are ridiculous high volts on pll / vtt / nb.
You are for sure degrading some components. I wouldn't run prime for hours with those volts.

Anyway, look at simps's guide on this thread, he had a 65nm quad too, and he got it 24/7 500FSB stable with reasonable volts.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5244/new50013wu3.jpg

[kup]

The volts are much lower now. That was just for 520MHz.

[In-Fluence]

I couldn't agree more with Marcio:) It seems like you're one of the lucky ones who got a good CPU & board combo and it could be that yours will behave the same as Simp's setup did. It's a very thorough guide, worth trying in your case I think :)

[kup]

I couldn't agree more with Marcio:) It seems like you're one of the lucky ones who got a good CPU & board combo and it could be that yours will behave the same as Simp's setup did. It's a very thorough guide, worth trying in your case I think :)

Anyone got a link to his post? I can't use the search feature at work. :(

[In-Fluence]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3572470&postcount=2718

[kup]

Cheers Influence. I've just had a try but my 500MHz voltages are already lower. :( I'll keep trying for more.

This Q6600 is pissing me off now, it literally stops dead @ somewhere between 3.7GHz and 3.9GHz with any voltage over 1.464v...no crashes, no lockups, just power down. :(

[humeyboy]

I have once again Google'd some keywords and found a few sites concerning this Mobo and OC'ing.

You have to take some of the info as BS and other info as a "trial and error thing", but there is also good info out there.

Now what I did not tell you the other day was that although its true I was doing some PC work the real reason I'm on 4GB for now is due to me dropping 1 of my Modules onto a hard floor and now it will not even post. :(

I have found 2 settings (I have messed with them before but there is too many variables) and now I am 100% stable @ 490FSB, 99% stable @ 495FSB (still tweaking/testing).

When I get 495FSB 100% stable and I try lower some voltages and tweak GTL's more and do a proper long Prime/Orthos and then I will then use these settings to try and get 500FSB stable as I will only need to raise a few of many settings I hope.

I do not see my 8GB being an issue as this Mobo was made for 16GB and I have had the exact same stable or failed settings with 1-4 Modules (2GB-8GB).

[kup]

What were the two settings you found to provide more stability?

[In-Fluence]

Were they the DDR references? I'm intruiged too, I'm still hovering around 489x9 so I'm definitely interested :)

[humeyboy]

CPU Skew = 100ps and NB Skew = Normal, nothing else will even run as long if it even posts as these settings as I have tried many times before.

I'm messing with Simp's GTL theory but not sure if its 100% accurate as it seems back to front as the 1 and 3 should be the higher number on our Quads not 0 and 2 and I'm just as stable settings them to CPU 40/40/40/40 - NB 40 or if higher FSB CPU 50/50/50/50 - NB 50.

I am 100% stable at 495% but ain't happy its 1.45v NB and 1.45V VTT (ain't sure if VTT can be lowered but NB cannot), because this does not give me much headroom for a nice 24/7 500FSB if I can reach it.

[Musho]

CPU Skew = 100ps and NB Skew = Normal, nothing else will even run as long if it even posts as these settings as I have tried many times before.

I'm messing with Simp's GTL theory but not sure if its 100% accurate as it seems back to front as the 1 and 3 should be the higher number on our Quads not 0 and 2 and I'm just as stable settings them to CPU 40/40/40/40 - NB 40 or if higher FSB CPU 50/50/50/50 - NB 50.

I am 100% stable at 495% but ain't happy its 1.45v NB and 1.45V VTT (ain't sure if VTT can be lowered but NB cannot), because this does not give me much headroom for a nice 24/7 500FSB if I can reach it.

What NB strap are you running? 333mhz? Thanks for the info :up:

[humeyboy]

Yes 333 + 1:1 + Moderate + 10 , for some reason its always more stable then 400 for me.

[Musho]

Yes 333 + 1:1 + Moderate + 10 , for some reason its always more stable then 400 for me.

Yeah, I've noticed the same thing, 333mhz seems to be the most stable setting. Everybody seems to be running with atleast a 100ps difference in NB and CPU skews, but if I don't run the skews at the same delay, I won't POST most of the time, and if it does, it instantly freezes while loading windows. A bit strange. Seems like we really need 50ps, 100ps, 150ps, etc settings for fine tuning. The gigabyte P45 series has it, I'm fairly certain it has atleast _something_ to do with people getting better results with quads on that board.

If wonder how hard it would be to mod the bios to allow for setting the skews with 50ps increments. Maybe it isn't even possible at all, due to the hardware, I'm not sure.

[humeyboy]

I would guess the Skews are built into the Chipset's so its only the Bios that lack the increments.

I tried lots of variables but 200 (tried them all) + Normal (tried them all) is not stable at this high FSB so wonder if 50 + Normal would be better.

[In-Fluence]

I was wondering pretty much the same thing. The skews have such a drastic effect it would make sense to implement it if possible. I'm gonna drop a post in the ROG thread, maybe someone could listen there....

[kup]

Ok, here's something to mess with ya heads...

9x435 = CRASH DEATH SHUTDOWN BLUUAGAGARGHH!!!

8x488 = Prime Prime Prime!!!

Apparently either my CPU has stopped playing games or this board has a issue with slow FSB and high clock speed...lol

I'll get some screenies once I get a few hours under my belt.

[Musho]

Ok, here's something to mess with ya heads...

9x435 = CRASH DEATH SHUTDOWN BLUUAGAGARGHH!!!

8x488 = Prime Prime Prime!!!

Apparently either my CPU has stopped playing games or this board has a issue with slow FSB and high clock speed...lol

I'll get some screenies once I get a few hours under my belt.

You've started experiencing the Asus tricks. Sometimes it's stable, but upon rebooting, it's not anymore. Sometimes it's stable, but lowering the stress by running a higher multi with a lower FSB, and it's not stable anymore!

That's Asus :down:

[Marcio]

Yeah right.

This kup kid runs prime95 for hours with PLL=1.72v / VTT=1.58v / NB=1.75v and now he complains that his system is not stable anymore?
Of course you are going to degrade some component with those volts, and your system will become random.
You just ruined your system, this is not asus fault.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6600/520mhz5hour.jpg

[In-Fluence]

I'll be glad when my Gigabyte has arrived. I've just about had enough of this board. Tested for 5 hours at 500x8.5 blend last night, rebooted, and BSOD. I just don't get it anymore, skews might be a big help, but this amount of inconsistency is enough to drive anyone mad with a quad. This time, each time I changed settings I cleared CMOS and entered exactly the same settings with single adjustments and got to the above point. But the reboot followed by BSOD before login just about took the biscuit. It's a huge shame this board has a lot of great features that I'll miss, but it's also wasted a lot of my time and I will probably sell it.

[kup]

Yeah right.

This kup kid runs prime95 for hours with PLL=1.72v / VTT=1.58v / NB=1.75v and now he complains that his system is not stable anymore?
Of course you are going to degrade some component with those volts, and your system will become random.
You just ruined your system, this is not asus fault.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6600/520mhz5hour.jpg

Dude will you get off my back. I've not degraded anything. If anything the board and chip have improved because this wall existed long before I pushed those volts and clock.

I'm not some n00b overclocker, I've been overclocking for 9years now, with everything from extreme air cooling to phase change, peltiers, watercooling and volt mods. I've been running with a Q6600 or higher since just after they came out...I know what I'm doing...

The symptoms I'm experiencing are more than likely exactly as Influence has stated, Asus hardware being haunted by little Asus gremlins.

[kup]

The gremlins were heat related...whack a fan on the CPU power circuitry area and it's fine, take it off and reboot/hard shutdown after a few seconds. Time to strip the board and reapply everything.

EDIT: Odd though that a naked P5Q Pro (only one heatsink on CPU power area) could run it 24/7 Priming @ the same settings with no fans...

[kup]

Finished redoing the stock heatsinks and I think I've shaved off about 10*c off the PWM temp. Just giving it a test now but so far no random shutdowns...

BAM...shutdown. It seems to be when the PWM hits 50*c it shuts down. :( But over 1.55v vCore really bumps up the temps on it, 34*c atm with 1.55v, 1.575 sores up to 50*c. :(

[humeyboy]

If I thought redoing TIM would sort mines I would (did all my other Mobos but they ran hot as NForce's).

My Mobo was not one of early ones with badly fitted Heatpipe, my temps are all low, esp PWM's as them little rubber/silicon type strips are crap IMO.

That's not to say they could not be made better as Intel unlike Nvidia do not like heat but do run cooler.

I've gave up on 495+FSB so dropped back to 475FSB on low voltages (1.25v NB+VTT), simply ain't worth the massive increase in all voltages.

I think a CPU Skew of 50ps would have got 495FSB 100% stable and possibly onto 500FSB.

[kup]

Ok, random question. What third party cooling can I use on the M2F? I couldn't find anything on the Thermalright site but I've got some parts left over from my Rampage Formula (oh how I miss it...) that I could move over to the M2F to cool it better?

Has anyone modded theirs with extra/after market cooling?

[In-Fluence]

I know where you're coming from kup. During the summer I ran my MIIF with a household fan pointed into the case, this prevented it from crashing as often, but it was still unstable.

There's a lot of choice out there in terms of after market cooling, the route I took was to remove the entire heatsink, and put all my own aftermarket cooling on it. I used a pair of enzotech copper mosfet sinks, waterblocks on the CPU and NB, and just some block from another mobo for the SB. The difference I noticed was that the SB gets a little hotter as a result of not being 'connected' with the rest of the board, but the NB is much much cooler (NB doesn't go over 38°C on 1.5v), and the mosfets showed a small improvement. The whole Asus heatsink is a good concept in terms of spreading the heat around the board, but to get all those areas sitting flush with the crucial components it would have to be better engineered. It has been very hit & miss in terms of effectiveness from what I've read.

After realising I wasn't running the 64-bit version of prime for about a week (clicked the wrong d/l link for an update), and getting pretty near stable with that, I did a run at 490x9 with with 64-bit version last night (after 32-bit prime crashed out and I didn't reboot), and for the first time, I'm also 490x9 stable! It seems lowering the VTT to 1.33v could have been key to getting this far, but the weird display hangs I got with the 32-bit version weren't helping much. PWM temps seem to be lower as a result too.

Here's a shot of it still going - I'm scared to reboot because I've got that horrible feeling it'll not be stable afterwards, but will keep you updated if it has in fact helped :)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/490x9stable.jpg

[kup]

What are you cooling that small section to the left of the northbridge with? The long black section of the boards cooling stock cooling. Do you reckon you could link me to somewhere to the cooling you've used?

[In-Fluence]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4110271&postcount=1298

There's a few pics.

As you can probably see, I'm not cooling to the left of the NB as I don't really think there's a need for it, I think more of the heatsink assembly covering that area is just for show and has made absolutely no difference in terms of stability. There doesn't seems to be any excess heat from any of the components in that area either, and you can probably spot the white, taped up temp sensor, which doesn't report any high temps so I would assume it's safe.

I think your mosfets will definitely need better cooling with those higher CPU volts, my current setup wasn't nearly enough with my old Q6600 at anything over 1.475v so I would assume it would be similar for you. The 45nm CPU obviously uses lower volts and puts less strain on that area of the board, but I'm considering getting a pair of blocks and adding it to the loop just to rule those out. There's some nice, chunky thermalright mosfet sinks available if you fancied going down that route which if mounted well, should improve things a lot more for you.

[humeyboy]

Yes that area to the left is for show, the chips bellow it do not get/or need cooler.

[In-Fluence]

As usual, I spoke too soon :mad:
Not long after it failed at 4096K (~9 hours), so maybe a little bump in ram or NB voltage could have helped, but after leaving it running for the day, it failed at 96k on the second run whilst only 3 cores were running. As I'm so close to getting stable, I'm giving it another try with a notch in NB to 1.471v, and 1.89 on the RAM. CPU GTLs were set to 10,-45,10,-45.
0,45,0,45 gave a BSOD on login so I think I could actually be getting somewhere with a 50-55mv gap in the CPU GTLs, but with such a long time between tests it gets really finnicky . And this board is probably just playing silly buggers with me again :(

Had a missed delivery though, might be my UD3P from Belgium... I see a silver lining

[e.v.o]

We have an ANUS support forum at FdL now .. so if you have something to tell .. i will translate it and post it over there ;)

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/forumdisplay.php?f=248

[humeyboy]

Tell them there Mobos suck cawk, so does their support :P

You see the news the other day, Asus are going fabless with their Mobo's no longer made by their sole contractor.

[De5tr0yer]

Tell them there Mobos suck cawk, so does their support :P

You see the news the other day, Asus are going fabless with their Mobo's no longer made by their sole contractor.

Link to the news please?

And their mobos are the only one I never had any problems with. (except one p5k I pencil modded on wrong place) Am I just lucky or what, I don't know.

Whenever I've changed my mobo from asus to another manufacturer it broke down...

[humeyboy]

I use Asus for all builds for customers and you get zero issues with normal mid range Mobos. its the £200-300 POS's that are buggy and have dire support.


I do not have link for this (but it was said to be from Xbit website).


QUOTED :


"No before you start to stress -- it simply means that motherboard manufacturing would become outsourced rather then self (in-house) made. Anyway, xbitlabs is reporting that Asustek decided to completely spin off its mainboards and graphics cards manufacturing arm Pegatron Technologies, the company said this week.

The move will allow Asus to become more competitive in terms of branding, but will further withdraw the firm from the actual manufacturing. According to a statement posted with Taiwan Stock Exchange, Asustek company had convened a board meeting to resolve the spin-off of its ODM business. As a result of the meeting, Pegatron Holding, the company that made virtually all Asus-branded motherboards, will issue two billion new shares to a number of shareholders.

Asustek Computer and all shareholders of the company as consideration, among which it is expected that the company will receive 25% of the equity and all shareholders of the company will in total receive 75% of the equity in Pegatron Holding in proportion to their shareholdings in the company.

As a result of the move, Asus-branded mainboard are likely to be targeted not only on the highest possible quality market, but also onto performance mainstream segment. The question is what can a premium brand offer in the value segment ? "



But today there is more accurate info :


QUOTED :


" Asustek splits Pegatron from the rest
Written by Andreas G 14 December 2009 21:40



Electronics giants Asustek (better known for its brand ASUS) has decided to restructure the company similar to what AMD did a while back. It had decided to sell its wholly owned subsidiary Pegatron Technology that manufactures Asustek's and other companies' products.

Why is it Asustek wants to separate manufacturing and development? In Asustek's case it is simply because to avoid competing with itself. ASUS started as a motherboard manufacturer and it is still making a lot of motherboards per contract with many great PC builders; HP, Dell and others.

Now that Asustek has expanded its business to making its own computers, it all started with the very successful Eee series, the orders from other companies have reduced. They have been worried that ASUS would get advantages and in the long run would give them insight into how other companies was planning to act.

At the same time it wants to avoid supporting direct competitors by buying from them. Now that it separates the manufacturing from the rest, where Asustek will only own 25%, it hopes to remove all doubt that an order made to Pegatron Technology till be the same as with any other manufacturing company, for instance competitor Foxconn.

The change will not affect the brand ASUS, but it should result in an even brighter future for Asustek. "



http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10413.html

[In-Fluence]

As you can probably guess, I got my UD3P and it's quite simply the board to take overclocking quads to the next level with. After many wasted months farting around with the MIIF I've finally got the UD3P in there, and got the system stable at 500x9, and with less volts than I expected and in about 1000th of the time. I no longer have to deal with the mind f******g inconsistencies of the MIIF anymore, and move over to new pastures. It's a big shame this board didn't fare as well because I like the look and features. I would probably have settled with 500x9 if it were possible, but I firmly believe that ~490fsb was the limit with this board and a quad.

I would like to thank everyone for taking their time to help out with the MIIF though, I have learnt so much whilst posting here. But it's probably safe to say that I'll sell my board and give this thread a fond farewell.

Unfortunately a not-so fond farewell to Asus is due as I fell we've all been really short-changed with this board. One prime example is the memory pull-ins which are still not working along with their lame responses to requests to fix such things - very poor show.

Rant over :)

Ciao peeps :peace:

[Musho]

As you can probably guess, I got my UD3P and it's quite simply the board to take overclocking quads to the next level with. After many wasted months farting around with the MIIF I've finally got the UD3P in there, and got the system stable at 500x9, and with less volts than I expected and in about 1000th of the time. I no longer have to deal with the mind f******g inconsistencies of the MIIF anymore, and move over to new pastures. It's a big shame this board didn't fare as well because I like the look and features. I would probably have settled with 500x9 if it were possible, but I firmly believe that ~490fsb was the limit with this board and a quad.

I would like to thank everyone for taking their time to help out with the MIIF though, I have learnt so much whilst posting here. But it's probably safe to say that I'll sell my board and give this thread a fond farewell.

Unfortunately a not-so fond farewell to Asus is due as I fell we've all been really short-changed with this board. One prime example is the memory pull-ins which are still not working along with their lame responses to requests to fix such things - very poor show.

Rant over :)

Ciao peeps :peace:

Sounds good. Good to hear you're having fun with your new board! :up: I might move away from this POS in a little while too. To be honest, I too, am getting fed up with these inconsistencies and crappy clocking. By the way, have you tried finding your max benchable FSB on your new board yet? With the x6 multiplier? I'm eager to see some results ;)

[In-Fluence]

I managed 525fsb (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=880641) without really trying hard at all. x6 or x9 multi made no difference, which also meant I whooped my 10.062 1M pi time by about half a second. I almost booted at 540 and got just past login before it hung - once again, this was without really trying at all. I'm almost certain I could be looking at a benchable 550FSB+ with this CPU and board. I might have a good stab at it with the reapers tonight :)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/UD3P-525x9Sub10secs1MPI.jpg

[Copenhagen69]

i have my multiplier set in bios ... and even on my OC at 4GHz it idles down to .ike 2.5GHz when my computer is doing nothing ... what was the setting to make sure that does not happen?

[humeyboy]

CE1=Disable.

[Copenhagen69]

CE1=Disable.

sweet thanks!:up:

[thedan55]

so is it better to push the fsb or the multi? after loads of reading i thoght it was better to push the multi rather than the fsb if you can.

am just wondering will this guide still work if im using a higher multi and a lower fsb as opposed to the opposite like he has?

ive read the guide up and down and i just want to know.....

ive been trying to sort out my MF2 and QX6700 for like 3-4 weeks now and its soooo annoying!!!! im SO happy the amazing people at this forum showed me this and i am just amazed with the guy that wrote it!!!! hes going to heaven for helping so many of us!!! lol

[Starage]

Well with a quad, it could hard to get a high bus speed. My q6700 will run 333 fsb with little voltage but anything over 370 fsb is pushing it. I go further with my x48 blackops than the M2F board. I went from bios 1901 to 2202 and everything has changed, I can not get to 533-540 fsb. Best of luck.

[Copenhagen69]

so is it better to push the fsb or the multi? after loads of reading i thoght it was better to push the multi rather than the fsb if you can.

am just wondering will this guide still work if im using a higher multi and a lower fsb as opposed to the opposite like he has?

ive read the guide up and down and i just want to know.....

ive been trying to sort out my MF2 and QX6700 for like 3-4 weeks now and its soooo annoying!!!! im SO happy the amazing people at this forum showed me this and i am just amazed with the guy that wrote it!!!! hes going to heaven for helping so many of us!!! lol

hows the 2022 bios?
i have a qx9650 and i have been trying to OC it ...
i cant seem to get stable at 4GHz with over 1.53vcore and other settings upped ... with the 0503 bios

are you getting a higher OC with the multi overclocking or FSB?

[thedan55]

hows the 2022 bios?
i have a qx9650 and i have been trying to OC it ...
i cant seem to get stable at 4GHz with over 1.53vcore and other settings upped ... with the 0503 bios

are you getting a higher OC with the multi overclocking or FSB?

the 2202 is nice its got some good stuff but ALOT OF STUFF, and some i have no clue as to what they are lol but am sure i will after i finally get this machine stable. im not as experienced as everyone here ive only been overclocking mildy in the past but wanted to try a bit more with this cpu. am getting a better result with the 12 multi than the fsb.
am not going to 4ghz i just want to stay at 3.5 and ill be pretty happy

the system will be pretty stable but get lags and crashes when i try cpu intensive work and when am in prime 95

i really want to get this done as i was really excited to finally get a good system and i dont wanna get disappointed..more so !!

[In-Fluence]

so is it better to push the fsb or the multi? after loads of reading i thoght it was better to push the multi rather than the fsb if you can.

am just wondering will this guide still work if im using a higher multi and a lower fsb as opposed to the opposite like he has?

ive read the guide up and down and i just want to know.....

ive been trying to sort out my MF2 and QX6700 for like 3-4 weeks now and its soooo annoying!!!! im SO happy the amazing people at this forum showed me this and i am just amazed with the guy that wrote it!!!! hes going to heaven for helping so many of us!!! lol

Well, in your scenario, you have the advantage of an unlocked multiplier, so you don't need to put any strain on the motherboard or memory system by overcloking the fsb. Most of us with locked multis need to increase fsb to get the desired speeds. Theoretically, you should be able to keep everything at default (except voltages), and just up the multiplier and vcore, whilst keeping everything else at near to default voltages. Keep an eye on temperatures, and make sure everything stays below 65°C. A lot of it is trial and error, and you will probably spend a few more weeks tweaking away, the key is to make notes about what settings affect stability.

If you want more specific info, I would try to get to a point where you are nearly stable, and fill out a settings template which are scattered throughout this thread, then we may be able to advise on some changes.


hows the 2022 bios?
i have a qx9650 and i have been trying to OC it ...
i cant seem to get stable at 4GHz with over 1.53vcore and other settings upped ... with the 0503 bios

are you getting a higher OC with the multi overclocking or FSB?

1.53vcore is WAYYYY too high! Get off that 0503 bios too, that's a very old, unstable one!

Let me know how you get on with 1901 - that is what worked best for me ;)

[thedan55]

this is where i am at the mo

my fsb is 290 x 12x

CPU VCORE-1.37500
PLL V-1.53975
FSB TERMINATION/VTT- 1.31200
DRAM V- 1.89275 (ram is running at 872mhz)
NBCORE - 1.24575
SB CORE 1.5 - 1.50000
SB 1.1 CORE - 1.10000

THIS LASTED FOR <5 MINS THEN BSOD'D ON ME AND IS ALMOST ALWAYS CORE 4 ON PRIME95

this is really stressing me out and i really wanted this cpu to work well so i could get on with my stuff . I feel really disappointed lol
i must have started from scratch like 15 times!

[Copenhagen69]

ok ill try the 1901 BIOS ... ya i didnt stay at 1.53 haha i was there for like 5 minutes ...

right now im at 3.72GHz @ 1.37Vcore ...

hoping to get 4GHz but i know anything over 1.4 on these 45nm chips is really bad for them ...

[In-Fluence]

@ thedan:
I assume this is failing on 1024k test in p95?

What's your performance level set to? If it's too low this can cause instability, set it to 12 to rule this out. Try setting your clock twister to moderate/light/lighter too.

Have you tried adjusting CPU/NB skews? If I remember correctly, 100/300 worked best for me, these have a large affect on stability and they could just be out.

@copenhagen:
I expect 1901 to work wonders for you in comparison. Never had a need to try anything below 1301.

[thedan55]

[QUOTE=In-Fluence;4190792]@ thedan:
I assume this is failing on 1024k test in p95?

What's your performance level set to? If it's too low this can cause instability, set it to 12 to rule this out. Try setting your clock twister to moderate/light/lighter too.

Have you tried adjusting CPU/NB skews? If I remember correctly, 100/300 worked best for me, these have a large affect on stability and they could just be out.


ill try the nb cpu skews (im still new to this) and its the small ffts 8k that it fails on i havent tried any other tests on p95

shall i leave the setting of default or still follow the guide in this thread?

[Copenhagen69]

installed the new 1901 bios ...
everytime i try to OC i get this error "CPU core to bus ratio or VID configuration has failed"
the heck does that mean?
my settings were:
12x280 - 12x300 - 12x250 ... is my multi causing this?

[Starage]

I just switch to bios2 it was 1307, only saw 3gb of my 4gb. So I went to asus and downloaded 1901 and did update in asus auto update in windows. This bios clocks much better. 2202 does not even come close to 1901. I just ran a stress test at 533 fsb and no issue. My cpu multi is at 7. Now just to find the max cpu clock speed. It would be nice to have a quad run like this. Say what is normal temp for the NB? Is it worth getting the swiftech water block for the NB?

[Celcius]

Since I installed this mobo in my stacker 830 I haven't been able to get the stacker's front usb to work. The cables are connected to the mobo headers but when I plug a flash drive in they don't even light up. Any ideas?

Before this board I had an evga 780i and the front usb ports worked fine so maybe the usb ports just aren't getting voltage or something? The rear usb ports directly on the mobo work fine.

[SkOrPn]

Excuse me if these ideas are obvious, but its all I can think of right now.

1. Double check to make sure the header went on properly, if you have to pull off and push back on. You never know.
2. Check to make sure the header is enabled in the bios. Many mobo headers can sometimes be disabled by default.
3. Simply try a different header. On modern mobos there are usually more than one USB header. Swap the cable to a different one to rule out a bad header or cable.

Other than that maybe you got a bad header or the cable went bad during the swap out. Good luck...

[orbiter]

Are you guys still using LLC on the 45nm chips without a problem? Reason I ask is I re-ran Prime and LinX tonight after trusting my 4Ghz oc for a long time (LLC off.) Both programs were packing up almost immediately :( I tried upping vcore a tad more - vcore (1.3625v) CPU PLL (1.52v) VTT (1.2v) NB (1.3v) and all sorts of combinations but nothing seemed to work. I got more and more peed off and thought I'd just try LLC, so I lowered vcore to 1.275v and PLL, VTT etc to my normal low levels and ran the stress test again (LLC on).. Immediately the system was stable again :) This got me thinking that perhaps having LLC turned off (for over a year) thus requiring higher vcore etc is a bad thing because without LLC I seems to have suffered some sort of degredation which is now requireing more volts to get everything stable again? So again back to the question what are you guys doing regarding LLC these days?

Regards

Orb

[zalbard]

I'm pretty sure nothing's wrong with your chip. Don't worry.
And your voltage settings in BIOS are obviously going to be higher with LLC off than with LLC on.

[orbiter]

I wonder if perhaps the system has become unstable since changing the PSU then as it's the only thing I've changed since noticing the instability? Although I did have a good PSU previously too (Corsair TX750.) Is running LLC alright these days as it was considered a no no when the 45nm chips came out?

[Copenhagen69]

whats LLC?

[zalbard]

Load Line Calibration. I suggest using it if you're planning to achieve high overclocks.

[Copenhagen69]

oh ok .. ya i use LLC