ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[TouGe]

Here's a direct link:


2104 (ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Maximus_II_Formula/Maximus-II-ASUS-Formula-2104.zip)

[humeyboy]

I never seen it on Asus site but the FTP.

I have gained nothing with this Bios.

Boot 4 sticks of my ram (Rev 1.1) to 1175mhz with normal voltage and no fancy tweaked settings but CANNOT boot out of Bios to even Post with just 1 stick beyond 1175mhz no matter how much voltage or settings tweaks.

[Grnfinger]

Here's a direct link:


2104 (ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Maximus_II_Formula/Maximus-II-ASUS-Formula-2104.zip)

Thanks for link :up:

Interested if it will allow a few more mhz from my ram

[GeorgeVasil]

OK..I've tried '2104'..:)

vNB-VTT issue : Present:)
Pull-ins NOT Working:Present:)
A little bit Lower Ram Bandwith at my 1901 27/4 Settings: Present
BSODs At my 24/7 Settings:Present

BIOS 1901

http://www.outofspecs.gr/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6264&d=1241875017

BIOS 2104

Same Settings All Pull-ins enabled.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9752/edsetup12104biosmoderat.jpg

Nice Work.. ASS-SUS© BIOS Engineers.

It took 5 months to add one more ''OC CPU Level Up'' Entry.:down: (The only change this Bios has).

ASUS=:sick:

[raym0n]

OK..I've tried '2104'..:)

vNB-VTT issue : Present:)
Pull-ins NOT Working:Present:)
A little bit Lower Ram Bandwith at my 1901 27/4 Settings: Present
BSODs At my 24/7 Settings:Present

BIOS 1901

IMG...

BIOS 2104

Same Settings All Pull-ins enabled.

IMG...

Nice Work.. ASS-SUS© BIOS Engineers.

It took 5 months to add one more ''OC CPU Level Up'' Entry.:down: (The only change this Bios has).

ASUS=:sick:
Could you please upload your bios setting please?

otherwise im not able to boot up with 1:1 fsb:dram at all!

[screwtech02]

Anybody got funky IDE light action during bootup with 2104???

[karamell]

Hi.
These are my settings for e8400. Orthos, Linpcak, OCCT, SuperPI, etc... all tests were OK, but when i start a 3d game (Burnout Pradise, Velvet Assasin, CoH:Tales of Valor) after a few minutes or seconds, freezes like hell.:shrug::shrug::confused::confused:
First i thought it was win7, but it does the same thing under vista. VGA not OC-ed.


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: 100ps
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1002Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Normal
DRAM Timing Control: Auto
1st Info: 5-5-5-16-3-42-6-3
2nd Info: 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
3rd Info: 14-5-1-5-5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: disabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage: 1.3875
CPU PLL Voltage:1.52
FSB Termination Voltage:1.31200
DRAM Voltage: 2.22400
North Bridge Voltage:1.36500
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.5
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.1

CPU GTL Reference (0): -40mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): -40mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[GeorgeVasil]

Could you please upload your bios setting please?

otherwise im not able to boot up with 1:1 fsb:dram at all!

:up:


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Crazy
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 470
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1129Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control:Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger:Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage: 1.25
CPU PLL Voltage:1.56
FSB Termination Voltage:1.20
DRAM Voltage: 2.05
North Bridge Voltage:1.335
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.52
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.12

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Eeky NoX]

Lol !! Just clocked wit it yesterday morning and it was great for suxx yeahhh !! MFAsus Bios !!!! Don't have any screenies cus' I thin that's useless after all ^^

What I can say is that the NB is limited to 1,54v, the vCore to 1,6v bios (1,58 real loadline cal on) didn't get higher than 440FSB on my E7500 and @4,2 stable -_-

For my Crucials (D9GMH) looked quickely with 3:5 and instead of 1200 it was 1333 :/ don't understand anything ...I'm still furious bout this release !!! Go to H(s)ell MF MIIF !!!

I think I'll go back to 1307 which gaves me more satisfaction.

All my Asus boards have some worth perfs at every new bios rev. so they definitly lost a costumer !!

[TouGe]

Yeah, I never bothered flashing to the 2104 BIOS. Even if it were to be the "Bee's knees" of BIOS's, I'm pretty much done with this board and Asus in general.
My interest as of late has been the DX48BT2 and 2 x's 2GB of G. Skill Pi Black DDR3 1600. I've never owned an intel board before so it should prove to be an interesting distraction until I upgrade CPU's sometime 1st quarter of 2010.

[Grnfinger]

Hi.
These are my settings for e8400. Orthos, Linpcak, OCCT, SuperPI, etc... all tests were OK, but when i start a 3d game (Burnout Pradise, Velvet Assasin, CoH:Tales of Valor) after a few minutes or seconds, freezes like hell.:shrug::shrug::confused::confused:
First i thought it was win7, but it does the same thing under vista. VGA not OC-ed.

try adjusting your PCIE to 101 or 102 and up SB volts a notch or 2

[screwtech02]

Hey guys, anybody got any suggestionos on gettin my 9450 stable?? Here are current settings..

Vcore- 1.5
DDR 2.17
CPUPLL 1.6
NB 1.59
VTTCPU 1.49

Running at 498fsb/1195 mem, PL10, AI-Moderate
CPU skew -200
NB skew -100

GTL's auto (please help here, i HATE math)

Chip and mem are known to run 4.0/1200 no issues....

Any help is appreciated...:cool:

[AquaRelliux]

Hello

I have had 4gb ram for ages now and my system has run fine with 450fsb on my Q9450@3600mhz. But recently I ordered more ram, so I now have 8gb and now I cant even get it stable in windows anymore with same settings. I have 4x 2gb Dominator PC8500 ram moduls one par is rev 1.1 and the other is 1.2 if that makes a diffrence. I have tried alot of settings on the ram now with alot of diffrent timings but it dosent get stable at all. Do u have any tips?, I have read the dominator thread on extreme bandwith section and they have 8gb of ram stable on alot better timings then I have. What am I doing wrong? I will post bios settings that works for my 4gb setting:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 450
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1081Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: +300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: +300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: +300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: +300
DRAM Timing Control Manual

CAS# Latency 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge 5
DRAM RAS# Active to Precha 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time 55
Write Recovery Time 6
Read to Precharge Time 3

READ to WRITE Delay(S/D) Auto
Write to Read Delay(S) Auto
WRITE to READ Delay(D) Auto
READ to READ Delay(S) Auto
READ to READ Delay(D) Auto
WRITE to WRITE Delay(S) Auto
WRITE to WRITE Delay(D) Auto

WRITE to PRE Delay Auto
READ to PRE Delay Auto
PRE to PRE Delay Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage: 1.23750v
CPU PLL Voltage:1.50v
FSB Termination Voltage:1.27v
DRAM Voltage: 2.19v
North Bridge Voltage: 1.44v
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +20mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

That has worked for over 1 year 100% stable with 2x2gb modules, now what should I do to get 4x2gb stable? is it impossible?

Here is the memory thread btw the first postar has the same mobo as I have and only diffrent cpu and his memory runs fine on alot higher fsb and tighther timings:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=179555

and note I am still using bios 1307 is that my problem?

[Grnfinger]

Hello

I have had 4gb ram for ages now and my system has run fine with 450fsb on my Q9450@3600mhz. But recently I ordered more ram, so I now have 8gb and now I cant even get it stable in windows anymore with same settings. I have 4x 2gb Dominator PC8500 ram moduls one par is rev 1.1 and the other is 1.2 if that makes a diffrence. I have tried alot of settings on the ram now with alot of diffrent timings but it dosent get stable at all. Do u have any tips?, I have read the dominator thread on extreme bandwith section and they have 8gb of ram stable on alot better timings then I have. What am I doing wrong? I will post bios settings that works for my 4gb setting:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 450
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1081Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: +300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: +300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: +300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: +300
DRAM Timing Control Manual

CAS# Latency 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge 5
DRAM RAS# Active to Precha 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time 55
Write Recovery Time 6
Read to Precharge Time 3

READ to WRITE Delay(S/D) Auto
Write to Read Delay(S) Auto
WRITE to READ Delay(D) Auto
READ to READ Delay(S) Auto
READ to READ Delay(D) Auto
WRITE to WRITE Delay(S) Auto
WRITE to WRITE Delay(D) Auto

WRITE to PRE Delay Auto
READ to PRE Delay Auto
PRE to PRE Delay Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage: 1.23750v
CPU PLL Voltage:1.50v
FSB Termination Voltage:1.27v
DRAM Voltage: 2.19v
North Bridge Voltage: 1.44v
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +20mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

That has worked for over 1 year 100% stable with 2x2gb modules, now what should I do to get 4x2gb stable? is it impossible?

Here is the memory thread btw the first postar has the same mobo as I have and only diffrent cpu and his memory runs fine on alot higher fsb and tighther timings:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=179555

and note I am still using bios 1307 is that my problem?

sent you a pm

[AquaRelliux]

sent you a pm

I think I tried all those solutions with any luck this just sucks:/

Edit: oh wait when I was about to decide it was time to bring the rams back to the store a they started getting more stable :D, But I do run tref @ 105 now lol, 1 hour prime 95 blend stable atleast so far

[AquaRelliux]

So none has any ideas?

[screwtech02]

I'm having the same issues man, i also posted in the GTL settings thread, maybe you should also??

[Grnfinger]

I'm having the same issues man, i also posted in the GTL settings thread, maybe you should also??

whats your issues m8?
I have 8GB 13 hours prime stable running 1121MHz

[screwtech02]

Man, having issues getting the skews straightend out i do believe. I cannot for the life of me get it stable at 1199-99.. Same setup did it on my Formula, but there is better bandwidth on the P45. Only thing is, i havent ran this board in almost a year, and have forgotten bios settings ect... I posted all my settings on the GTL post, think ya could look it over, and give me a heads up???

[ecidious]

OK..I've tried '2104'..:)

vNB-VTT issue : Present:)
Pull-ins NOT Working:Present:)
A little bit Lower Ram Bandwith at my 1901 27/4 Settings: Present
BSODs At my 24/7 Settings:Present


Nice Work.. ASS-SUS© BIOS Engineers.

It took 5 months to add one more ''OC CPU Level Up'' Entry.:down: (The only change this Bios has).

ASUS=:sick:

That would be why I dropped the extra money on an i7 setup rather than deal with this :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

Atleast they didn't break the CPU multiplier again :ROTF:

[AquaRelliux]

whats your issues m8?
I have 8GB 13 hours prime stable running 1121MHz

could u plz post your settings for that then?

[Grnfinger]

8GB Ram Timing

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18 (change to 15 once everything is stable)
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5(3-5)
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 60(55-60)
Write Recovery Time: 6(5-6)
Read to Precharge Time: 5(2-4)
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 12(7-10)
Write to Read Delay (S): 5(3-4)
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 5(4-5)
READ to READ Delay (S): 6(4-6)
READ to READ Delay (D): 6
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): 5(4-5)
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): 6(4-6)
WRITE to PRE Delay:14(13-14)
READ to PRE Delay: 6
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 6
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 6



Hey guys, anybody got any suggestionos on gettin my 9450 stable?? Here are current settings..

Vcore- 1.5
DDR 2.17
CPUPLL 1.6
NB 1.59
VTTCPU 1.49

Running at 498fsb/1195 mem, PL10, AI-Moderate
CPU skew -200
NB skew -100

GTL's auto (please help here, i HATE math)

Chip and mem are known to run 4.0/1200 no issues....

Any help is appreciated...:cool:

Your GTL's work out to -47.68
so start at -45 and work to -50

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : -45mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : -45mv

Dram Clock Skew will help to settle your ram down, just play with one setting at a time

[screwtech02]

Should i adjust the NB GTL also???

WOOT!! The above settings seem to be workin fine so far! Seems i had the GTL's reversed.... Ugh..... Thank's for the new direction!

You ever get those mosfet blocks yet Grn???

[AquaRelliux]

8GB Ram Timing

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18 (change to 15 once everything is stable)
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5(3-5)
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 60(55-60)
Write Recovery Time: 6(5-6)
Read to Precharge Time: 5(2-4)
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): 12(7-10)
Write to Read Delay (S): 5(3-4)
WRITE to READ Delay (D): 5(4-5)
READ to READ Delay (S): 6(4-6)
READ to READ Delay (D): 6
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): 5(4-5)
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): 6(4-6)
WRITE to PRE Delay:14(13-14)
READ to PRE Delay: 6
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: 6
ALL PRE to REF Delay: 6




Your GTL's work out to -47.68
so start at -45 and work to -50

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : -45mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : -45mv

Dram Clock Skew will help to settle your ram down, just play with one setting at a time


And u can do that with 450 fsb +? I dont think those timings will work for me looks pretty much standard to what I have

[screwtech02]

I couldnt do it with the 5-5-5 timings, my mem is rated at 6-6-6-18. Otherwise, 498fsb runnin my Q9450@4.0... WOOT!!!! :cool:

[Kayso]

I couldnt do it with the 5-5-5 timings, my mem is rated at 6-6-6-18. Otherwise, 498fsb runnin my Q9450@4.0... WOOT!!!! :cool:

Post full template please :)

[screwtech02]

Let me get it absoultly stable, and i will post back...

[Grnfinger]

And u can do that with 450 fsb +? I dont think those timings will work for me looks pretty much standard to what I have

depending on the version of your Dominators they may not clock well, I can hit 1121 on my GSkill kit and there power chips, I only have 4GBs of Dominators and they will do 1220 easy max out at 1230MHz

[screwtech02]

Grn, how do i figure the NB GTL settings, and were should i start with the dram clock skews?? Positive, or negative?? Wish this was easier to dial in.....

[Grnfinger]

Grn, how do i figure the NB GTL settings, and were should i start with the dram clock skews?? Positive, or negative?? Wish this was easier to dial in.....

4GBs I find advanced helps with stability, start at 100ps and work from there..
I have a NB GTL chart I'll post up the values shortly.

My mosfet waterblocks for the Rampage board finally arrived so I'll be starting the comparison this week comming.

[AquaRelliux]

depending on the version of your Dominators they may not clock well, I can hit 1121 on my GSkill kit and there power chips, I only have 4GBs of Dominators and they will do 1220 easy max out at 1230MHz

One par is version 1.1 they do 1081 mhz 24/7 stable the other par is 1.2 I havent tried them singley

[seba84_2005]

One par is version 1.1 they do 1081 mhz 24/7 stable the other par is 1.2 I havent tried them singley

I have such same mobo and memory 2x2GB is version 1.2. Max stable = 1120MHz with 2.1v. On higher mhz doesn't help up voltage.

[screwtech02]

I had to go up to PL10 for any type of stability, definatly took a hit on read performance....

I tried the NB GTL formula in the GTL thread, man, that seems to be all jacked up, plus, NOONE can tell me how you can tell to either set positive or negative settings/skews.... Seems like all the "write ups" are aimed at people who have a deg in electical engineering or something....

[Grnfinger]

I had to go up to PL10 for any type of stability, definatly took a hit on read performance....

I tried the NB GTL formula in the GTL thread, man, that seems to be all jacked up, plus, NOONE can tell me how you can tell to either set positive or negative settings/skews.... Seems like all the "write ups" are aimed at people who have a deg in electical engineering or something....

NB GTL's work out to about 50mv if your still running 1.59 volts

Dram clock scew is your friend, as I posted 2x2GB kits advanced seems to be the sweet spot, for 8GBs delay works better...I dont have an engineering degree but I have lost about 4 nights of sleep testing clock skews..

If you set a higher tref value and run 5-5-5-18 you might be able to lower your PL

try this

*In Brackets are timings that can be optimized later, outside of the brackets is a good starting point*
CAS# Latency - 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay - 5
RAS# PRE Time - 5
RAS# ACT time - 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay - 4(3-4)
Ref Cycle Time - 55 (25-55)
Write Recovery Time - 6(3-6)
READ to PRE Time - 4(2-5)

READ to Write Delay (S/D) - 9 (7-10)
WRITE to READ Delay (S) - 5 (3-6)
WRITE to READ Delay (D) - 5 (4-6)
READ to READ Delay (S) - 4 (3-5)
READ to READ Delay (S) - 6 (5-7)
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S) - 4 (3-5)
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D) - 6 (5-7)

DRAM Static Read Control - Disabled (Enabled)
Ai Clock Twister - Light (Strong)
Transaction Booster - Disabled

[screwtech02]

Currently the only way i can get it to boot is...

6
6
6
18
5
60
6
5
12
5
5
6
6
5
6
14
6
1
6
6

GTL's
0 = auto
1 = -45
2 = auto
3 = -45

Have to run NBv @ 1.736

Current NB GTL is -25, i lowered it to -10, and seemed to gain some stability..

This is the only way i can boot into windows at all...

All other settings AI twister, ect, are set to your reccomendations.....

Should the NB GTL settings be positive, or negative??

Tried the memory skews also, none seem to work as well as auto...

[AquaRelliux]

ok my motherboard is really :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed now after I played around alot with the 8gb of
ram that I sent back to the store now because I dident feel the need to have them. But now I have problems
with the motherboard not posting sometimes when I save bios settings or reboot the computer.

What I have to do then is to unplug he power to the psu and then put it back in again and it boots and
runs stable after that, and it dosent reset the bios settigns either.

What is this problem? it is really a pain in the ass is the mobo broken? I doubt that because after
I rebooted it a couple of times it starts just fine and runs stable for hours.

[Grnfinger]

ok my motherboard is really :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed now after I played around alot with the 8gb of
ram that I sent back to the store now because I dident feel the need to have them. But now I have problems
with the motherboard not posting sometimes when I save bios settings or reboot the computer.

What I have to do then is to unplug he power to the psu and then put it back in again and it boots and
runs stable after that, and it dosent reset the bios settigns either.

What is this problem? it is really a pain in the ass is the mobo broken? I doubt that because after
I rebooted it a couple of times it starts just fine and runs stable for hours.

Sounds like you have loaded a saved bios profile...copy your settings reflash the bios, do a full cmos reset and enter your bios setting manually.
There is also a small bug related to vNB and VTT, if the values are within a few volts you get a post hang, I've never experienced it but many have, search this thread for the issue and check your vtt and vnb values

[screwtech02]

Gotta question on Seban's GTL calcultor, there are 2 sperate fields, VTT for set 1, and VTT for set 2, which of the settings are to be used, and are they positive, or negative settings???

[Grnfinger]

positive value for 65nm cpu and negative for 45nm cpu
not sure about the gtl calculator you have...the one I use has 2 options 1 for 45nm and 2 for 65nm and enter your vtt value of course.

[screwtech02]

I've used that one, it doesnet give any nb GTL settings.... The one im using is a xls file posted within this thread way back....

[seba84_2005]

what at me after the setting NB GTL : AUTO, Windows not start normally ( BSOD after logo Vista ) after the setting NB GTL: +60mV he just works normally... but i don't know if this good setting :shrug:

ASUS Maximus II formula
Processor: Q9550
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 480
CPU Clock Skew: normal
NB Clock Skew: normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-960MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Auto (with Enabled BSOD)
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10 (0.8 no boot)
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled


PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.3625 (real 1.340 checked the measure)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.30
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
North Bridge Voltage: 1.39
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -40mv
NB GTL Reference: +60mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[screwtech02]

I've had enough Grn, ordered some Enzotech mosfet blocks, and a NB block for my DKX48TRS2+.... Hopefully i will have better luck with it, and its bios.....

[jason4207]

I've used that one, it doesnet give any nb GTL settings.... The one im using is a xls file posted within this thread way back....

Just experiment. It's only 1 setting. Just try from -100mv to +100mv and see what works best. That's what I did. Those formulas are OK to get started, but can be overly confusing and lead you astray if you stick to them for set-and-forget settings.

Since it is inter-dependent w/ vNB you have to do a back-and-forth w/ each setting. See what NB-GTL works best for the vNB you're at, and then try lowering or raising vNB and try again. Make yourself a table and plot out the best combos.

Yes, it is time-consuming, but this is a hobby board, and requires a lot of attention to get it just right. Copying others settings will only get you so far.

I spent a good 4 weeks playing w/ mine before giving up on 485+FSB for 24/7 stability. I can boot at 505x8.5 and run any bench at 500x8.5, but for 24/7 I took a more conservative approach and settled on a nice even 4GHz (471x8.5) 5:6 DDR-1132 5-5-5-15 PL8 Strong. Trying to push the FSB too hard makes it hard to get the RAM tight anyway.

[Furiøùs]

Okay, how do I enable the LAN teaming? Where can I get the driver etc.

I've been googling for 30min with no results. Seems like everyone talks about it but never tried it out.

Anyone know where to go to figure out how to enable and use it?

[screwtech02]

You can download the utility from Marvel, it's called NCU. As of now it doesnt support windoz 7, but works fine in other os's. Just install it, and go to the properties of each nic, create a "team" i use "static", and add the other nic to it. Easy as that, connection will change to 200mbps, and your good to go...

[Furiøùs]

Nice! Thanks man :)

[Grnfinger]

unless you have a edu pipe or similar that can take advantage of the increased bandwidth..whats the benifit of a 200mbps nic?

[screwtech02]

It definatly made for better torrent connections for me.....

[Grnfinger]

hmmm, I have a 10mbit line at home maybe I shall try it, I dont use torrents but I use newsgroups and have top site axx

[jason4207]

It definatly made for better torrent connections for me.....

Really?

I'd think the Internet connection would bottleneck it. I mean it shouldn't matter how fast you can talk to the router if the router can only talk to the web via 10Mb/s.

And shouldn't it be 2000Mb/s (2Gb/s) if you team? I guess you need a Gb router, though.

[Kayso]

24/7 settings - 100% stable with my hardware :)
I will post screens later :)


Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 480
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Autol
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1152Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Advance 150
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 150
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Advance 150
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 150
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Info: 5-5-5-15-3-55-6-3
2nd Info: Auto
3rd Info: Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage: 1.425
CPU PLL Voltage:1.55
FSB Termination Voltage:1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.00
North Bridge Voltage:1.45
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.55
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.15

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -45mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -45mv
NB GTL Reference: +60mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[screwtech02]

Kayso, did you use Simps guide to get there???

[eSp!s0]

Hi guys,
I am new with this board and it`s not even installed. I took a look in the manual and read sth about the Epu6-Engine software.
I will change from my current Maximus Formula and there was the option to only install the Epu driver without the software with it. How is this with the M2F and is the software good in your opinion?
Also the manual says to first install ram in the yellow slots for better running/OC, I guess they mean the white ones!?
Regards.

[Kayso]

Kayso, did you use Simps guide to get there???

Not exactly, but this was something like FAQ for me.

[humeyboy]

Really?

I'd think the Internet connection would bottleneck it. I mean it shouldn't matter how fast you can talk to the router if the router can only talk to the web via 10Mb/s.

And shouldn't it be 2000Mb/s (2Gb/s) if you team? I guess you need a Gb router, though.

The GIG NIC's will show 100mbit as that's all you need normally.

They will change to 1000mbit if needed or if you take setting OFF Auto and set to 1000mbit

They are 10/100/1000mbit NIC's actually.

[GFORCE100]

Really?

I'd think the Internet connection would bottleneck it. I mean it shouldn't matter how fast you can talk to the router if the router can only talk to the web via 10Mb/s.

And shouldn't it be 2000Mb/s (2Gb/s) if you team? I guess you need a Gb router, though.

The same effect can be triggered by amending the TCP/IP settings of the NIC itself rather than teaming them together. It's worth checking out the NIC settings in device manager and/or the Windows registry. I don't know which settings would need tuning off the top of my head (too taxing on the brain hehe) but things like concurrent connections, read/send buffer and so forth. Changing things like MTU won't help if you're on ADSL since as far as I remember ADSL supports a MTU of 576 bytes. You're always going to get encapsulation/overhead/fragmentation and unless you're using Gigabit or higher (Your PC <> Router/Switch) I wouldn't worry about it overly much (no need to think jumbo frames to increase throughput efficiency etc.).

The only exception to the above would be if you have a hub in play, especially if it's set at 10Mb/s Ethernet which wasn't full duplex hence packet collisions galore (I doubt many people still use them though).

There are apps online that tune your Internet connection for you, or info on what to change in the Windows registry.

You can't get 1000Mb/s Ethernet to work if your router/switch only supports Fast Ethernet which is 100Mb/s. Auto-negotiation won't allow it, even if you set it manually to 1000/1000 it's a no go. Also you ned CAT 5e/6 UTP or better cabling (i.e. STP if you are sending secret info :) )

[Grnfinger]

Hi guys,
I am new with this board and it`s not even installed. I took a look in the manual and read sth about the Epu6-Engine software.
I will change from my current Maximus Formula and there was the option to only install the Epu driver without the software with it. How is this with the M2F and is the software good in your opinion?
Also the manual says to first install ram in the yellow slots for better running/OC, I guess they mean the white ones!?
Regards.

I run Raid0 so cannot comment on Asus Six Engine but I can only assume its crap like the rest of there software.

I would recommend getting the latest chipset driver from Intel and IMSM if your running raid. And yes they mean white slots for the dimms Asus copied most of the manual from a P5Q

[eSp!s0]

Allright, thank you. After installing I only have the problem that I can`t use the Console Starter and AudioConsole from the X-Fi Utility, only the Volume Panel is working. When I try to start Console Starter for example, there comes a message "no supported audio found" (sth. like that) and I have the option to switch to another audio but in this list only is Windows-Standard and nothing else to switch to. I installed AudioMax driver and X-Fi Utility after. Also I cant get Mic or Headphones working with the front panel (tried HDAudio and AC97 in bios and different settings in AudioMax software).

[Grnfinger]

Allright, thank you. After installing I only have the problem that I can`t use the Console Starter and AudioConsole from the X-Fi Utility, only the Volume Panel is working. When I try to start Console Starter for example, there comes a message "no supported audio found" (sth. like that) and I have the option to switch to another audio but in this list only is Windows-Standard and nothing else to switch to. I installed AudioMax driver and X-Fi Utility after. Also I cant get Mic or Headphones working with the front panel (tried HDAudio and AC97 in bios and different settings in AudioMax software).

I run a xtreme gamer creative card but iirc you need to set HD audio in bios, do not let vista/xp install anything and then install the sound max and creative drivers from the cd...my wifes rig runs the same board and thats the method I used and the audio is working 100%

you may need to uninstall from device manager and clear the registry of any drivers

[eSp!s0]

I never let XP install sth I don`t want to have ;)
I installed the card the way you did. Soundmax is working, X-Fi Volume Panel is working. Then I started X-Fi Console Launcher and I had to activate the card with the serial on the Asus CD and I could activate without a problem. Then I wanted to start the now registered/activated function X-Fi Console Launcher and then the error message I wrote in my post before apeared and is still appearing when starting Console Launcher or Audio Console.
I wonder that the Soundcard is not fitting optimal in the slot. The hole with which the card becomes screwed with the case is a few mm above the hole from the case. I already removed the mainboard screw exactly under the soundcard but that didn`t help a lot. The case is straight, I don`t know why it`s not fitting right.
Whatever, the card is working, only the X-Fi functions won`t find the audio needed to start and the list only contains windows standard, nothing to switch (and fornt audio doesn`t work).
I don`t like mainboard sound and my X-Treme music is defect/had problems with Maximus Formula X38. Therefor I want to buy a X-Fi Titanium PCIe in a few weeks but I am scarred it won`t fit, too. Another option would be a X-Treme Music UAA but that`s PCI and PCI is the main reason for most problems with this X-Fi PCI cards. Grrrrrrrrr :)

[Grnfinger]

that is wierd did you update the creative drivers once the cd install was finished?
I had some issues with feedback when I moved the mouse around and after the update all was fine.

[eSp!s0]

No, I used a downloaded installer for Soundmax and X-Fi utility. Soundmax version in installer-filename is V510X6480 (XP) and X-Fi utility is 1.0, didn`t find any newer version.
Got them from here: http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/showthread.php?t=588579

[529th]

Ok, so I've had my Maximus II Formula up for sale for a while ($160) and no ones bought it. Recently a guy has shown some interest in mine. So, I just was going through the retail packaging etc. making sure everything was there and caught myself a slight interest in it again. This prompted me to check the Asus download page for an update to the bios for this motherboard and I noticed BIOS 2104 is out for this board which amazes me. Now, I am having thoughts of keeping this board in blind hopes of my previous goal of rock solid 24/7 500fsb with my Q9650 + 4gb (but I do have 8gb in disposal)

What's the reports of this new bios!? Grn, anyone? Thanks,

529th

[WaterFlex]

1307 is still the best for me :(

[529th]

Ok, so I've had my Maximus II Formula up for sale for a while ($160) and no ones bought it. Recently a guy has shown some interest in mine. So, I just was going through the retail packaging etc. making sure everything was there and caught myself a slight interest in it again. This prompted me to check the Asus download page for an update to the bios for this motherboard and I noticed BIOS 2104 is out for this board which amazes me. Now, I am having thoughts of keeping this board in blind hopes of my previous goal of rock solid 24/7 500fsb with my Q9650 + 4gb (but I do have 8gb in disposal)

What's the reports of this new bios!? Grn, anyone? Thanks,

[eSp!s0]

that is wierd did you update the creative drivers once the cd install was finished?
I had some issues with feedback when I moved the mouse around and after the update all was fine.

I removed the drivers and installed the drivers from CD and now the X-Fi functions are working :)
Which update do you mean, can you give me a link? Perhaps I will have these issues, too. Than I will give the update you mentioned a try.

[Grnfinger]

Ok, so I've had my Maximus II Formula up for sale for a while ($160) and no ones bought it. Recently a guy has shown some interest in mine. So, I just was going through the retail packaging etc. making sure everything was there and caught myself a slight interest in it again. This prompted me to check the Asus download page for an update to the bios for this motherboard and I noticed BIOS 2104 is out for this board which amazes me. Now, I am having thoughts of keeping this board in blind hopes of my previous goal of rock solid 24/7 500fsb with my Q9650 + 4gb (but I do have 8gb in disposal)

What's the reports of this new bios!? Grn, anyone? Thanks,

Didnt bother to try the new bios Asus epaper had this to say about its new release


Maximus II Formula Release BIOS 2104, 04/13/2009 [Download] Enhance system stability with certain memory modules.

I might test it out tonight for someting to do


I removed the drivers and installed the drivers from CD and now the X-Fi functions are working :)
Which update do you mean, can you give me a link? Perhaps I will have these issues, too. Than I will give the update you mentioned a try.

iirc in your sys tray there should be a XFI icon right click and select the update option, not at my pc right now I'll check when I return home

[529th]

Thanks for the Reply GrnFinger

[eSp!s0]

iirc in your sys tray there should be a XFI icon right click and select the update option, not at my pc right now I'll check when I return home

If you mean the Creative Volume Panel icon, there is no update function. I also took a look in the startmenu (don`t know if it`s right in english) Creative folder where you normally can select the update function with a real X-Fi card like my old X-Treme music but there is no update function, too.
I will wait till you are home again :yepp:

[529th]

Any results with the new Bios yet?

[eSp!s0]

I flashed the new bios directly after putting the new M2F in my system and I have no problems so far but I don`t no the versions before. Since the weekend I am playing around to find my 500x8 settings I also used before with the X38. I need a bit more VFSB, 1,25VBios/1,24-1,25V Everest (X38: 1,20VBios/1,10V Everest), a bit less VNB, 1,206VBios/1,19V Everest (X38: 1,33VBios/1,31V Everest) and almost the same Vcore (both 1,218V Bios/1,160-1,168V CPU-z) and VDimm (both 1,80V Bios). With VNB and VFSB I am not ready with testing, perhaps I can give them a little bit less V but not less than 0,05V, so far I already tested.
With the X38 I could run PL9, now I had to switch to PL10 with M2F (both Moderate) but it`s as fast in Everest Cache bench as X38 with PL9.
@ Grnfinger: Come home :D

[seba84_2005]

My new ram ;)

OCZ 2X2GB FLEX II 1150MHz 2.1v @ 1200MHz 2.2v

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1286/oczu.jpg

[WaterFlex]

Nice clock, Seba :up:

[Grnfinger]

My new ram ;)

OCZ 2X2GB FLEX II 1150MHz 2.1v @ 1200MHz 2.2v


Nice results, have you tweaked your timing yet?
Scores look a litle low imo

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/500x8_1200ram.jpg

[seba84_2005]

My setting of memory:

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): 8
Write to Read Delay (S): 3
Write to Read Delay (D): 5
Read to Read Delay (S): 4
Read to Read Delay (D): 6
Write to Write Delay (S): 4
Write to Write Delay (D): 6


3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: 14
Read to PRE Delay: 5
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
All PRE to ACT Delay: 5
All PRE to REF Delay: 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 0.8
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

One can still improve something?

[Kayso]

Grn - your result is at 500 Fsb and Seba's is at 480. It is normal to have such difference.

And Seba, try
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Disabled

[jason4207]

The GIG NIC's will show 100mbit as that's all you need normally.

They will change to 1000mbit if needed or if you take setting OFF Auto and set to 1000mbit

They are 10/100/1000mbit NIC's actually.

I haven't changed any settings, and it shows up as 1Gb. I'm only using 1 NIC (the other is disabled), and I'm hooked into a Gb router.

I've never seen it drop to 100Mb b/c of lack of need and I've never heard of NICs doing that. It's not like speedstep.





The same effect can be triggered by amending the TCP/IP settings of the NIC itself rather than teaming them together. It's worth checking out the NIC settings in device manager and/or the Windows registry. I don't know which settings would need tuning off the top of my head (too taxing on the brain hehe) but things like concurrent connections, read/send buffer and so forth. Changing things like MTU won't help if you're on ADSL since as far as I remember ADSL supports a MTU of 576 bytes. You're always going to get encapsulation/overhead/fragmentation and unless you're using Gigabit or higher (Your PC <> Router/Switch) I wouldn't worry about it overly much (no need to think jumbo frames to increase throughput efficiency etc.).

The only exception to the above would be if you have a hub in play, especially if it's set at 10Mb/s Ethernet which wasn't full duplex hence packet collisions galore (I doubt many people still use them though).

There are apps online that tune your Internet connection for you, or info on what to change in the Windows registry.

You can't get 1000Mb/s Ethernet to work if your router/switch only supports Fast Ethernet which is 100Mb/s. Auto-negotiation won't allow it, even if you set it manually to 1000/1000 it's a no go. Also you ned CAT 5e/6 UTP or better cabling (i.e. STP if you are sending secret info :) )

That makes more sense. Teaming shouldn't really help if the Internet is still the bottleneck, but if it's a work-around for unoptimized throughput settings then it seems much more feasible.

[Grnfinger]

Grn - your result is at 500 Fsb and Seba's is at 480. It is normal to have such difference.

And Seba, try
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Disabled

oops it was early in the morning coffee had not started working yet, thanks for pointing it out :up:

[eSp!s0]

Grnfinger could you take a look in your device manager > Audio- Video and Gamecontroller > Soundmax Integrated HD Audio. I did and my driverversion is 5.10.1.6480. You should have a newer one because of the update you made (and I cannot find). I would like to have the drivers up to date.
That would be nice :)

[GFORCE100]

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/500x8_1200ram.jpg

What PL is this? 8 and STRONG? Looks like it. I don't think you can get any kind of stabilty at 500MHz FSB and 1200MHZ DDR2 on the MIIF unless you drop to PL 10-11 and LIGHT/LIGHTER - naturally with a VNB of 1.45V or more.

I assume you just loaded it to do a quick memory benchmark without bothering with the stability right Grnfinger?

[WaterFlex]

GFORCE100
Lol mate :) You are funny

[GFORCE100]

GFORCE100
Lol mate :) You are funny

What makes you say that?

[xoldboyx]

hi guys havent posted in a while.
Well here in Greece the heat is starting to be a problem but anyway ,does anyone have "setup" for 500fsb or a setup for my memories @1200.
I need it for a bench test...

[hmmisee]

Hey guys. Seeing as a new $1,500 AUD computer is on the horizon for me. Is this board still good?

I can get it for $299AUD and wondering if it is worth it or not

Thanks in advanced :):)

[Nevin]

I made stable 4320 Mhz with my new Q9650 . Batch L826B006 VID 1.20
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5276/9x480.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=9x480.jpg)
I think it can reach 4600 Mhz (9x511) but I do not have a clue how to do it. So please can someone to post a template for MIIF .

[Grnfinger]

What PL is this? 8 and STRONG? Looks like it. I don't think you can get any kind of stabilty at 500MHz FSB and 1200MHZ DDR2 on the MIIF unless you drop to PL 10-11 and LIGHT/LIGHTER - naturally with a VNB of 1.45V or more.

I assume you just loaded it to do a quick memory benchmark without bothering with the stability right Grnfinger?

No that would be PL9 Stronger, timing 5-5-5-18, requires lots of NB juice to keep it stable, it will run 3dmark and games all day long but no it wont pass line pak but it will pass prime for 6 hours:D



Grnfinger could you take a look in your device manager > Audio- Video and Gamecontroller > Soundmax Integrated HD Audio. I did and my driverversion is 5.10.1.6480. You should have a newer one because of the update you made (and I cannot find). I would like to have the drivers up to date.
That would be nice :)

I will be home tomorrow and will post the info

[eSp!s0]

Thank you!

[just a noob]

i just put my stuff into my maximus 2, and i keep running into the problem of the system hanging at "init rom" and the "cmoserr" any ideas as to what is causing this? or does this mean my board is broke?

[Grnfinger]

i just put my stuff into my maximus 2, and i keep running into the problem of the system hanging at "init rom" and the "cmoserr" any ideas as to what is causing this? or does this mean my board is broke?

Board has 2 bios chips, switch to the other bios and flash it to 1901.

Looks like somehow you have the bios corrupt, do not load a saved bios profile enter all setting manually..if the board is still causing you grief I would test the ram in another board to rule out bad dimms otherwise your looking at RMA'ing the board

[Grnfinger]

Grnfinger could you take a look in your device manager > Audio- Video and Gamecontroller > Soundmax Integrated HD Audio. I did and my driverversion is 5.10.1.6480. You should have a newer one because of the update you made (and I cannot find). I would like to have the drivers up to date.
That would be nice :)

An XS member has posted the software, it is here
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=226020

I'm in the middle of a my Rampage build so I'll be a few more days b4 I can post the info, this is the same version tho

[eSp!s0]

Ok, thank you Grnfinger.

[orbiter]

Hi All,

Long time no speak,

Firstly I'm sorry if this is in the wrong place but I din't know where too put it exactly. It is regarding the appropriate hardware though (and possibly BIOS on formula II)?

Is anyone having problems with BIOS 2104? Reason I'm asking is...... I've been using 2104 for a few weeks now without any problems really apart from one! Racedriver GRID! (now I know GRID has problems of it's own but previously with BIOS 1901 I'm sure it was ok) It's not a BSOD I get, It's an app crash error normally right in the middle of a race (GRID.EXE has stopped working.) The system is stable, has no memory erros or anything. GPU temps are maxed at 88*C during the game (normal I think for a GTX295?) and CPU max is 60*C.

Basically could the 2104 BIOS be causing this please? I'm just asking before I back flash it.

TIA fellas

orb

[Grnfinger]

Hi All,

Long time no speak,

Firstly I'm sorry if this is in the wrong place but I din't know where too put it exactly. It is regarding the appropriate hardware though (and possibly BIOS on formula II)?

Is anyone having problems with BIOS 2104? Reason I'm asking is...... I've been using 2104 for a few weeks now without any problems really apart from one! Racedriver GRID! (now I know GRID has problems of it's own but previously with BIOS 1901 I'm sure it was ok) It's not a BSOD I get, It's an app crash error normally right in the middle of a race (GRID.EXE has stopped working.) The system is stable, has no memory erros or anything. GPU temps are maxed at 88*C during the game (normal I think for a GTX295?) and CPU max is 60*C.

Basically could the 2104 BIOS be causing this please? I'm just asking before I back flash it.

TIA fellas

orb

tbh I found 2104 not very stable for me....509FSB would run 3d apps all day long on bios 1901 while 2104 will not.
I honestly see no benifit moving to 2104

[WaterFlex]

Grnfinger
1307 is still the best for me :)

[orbiter]

OK fellas thanks for the feedback, going to flash it back now to 1901.

orb

[Kayso]

Hi All,
Long time no speak,

Firstly I'm sorry if this is in the wrong place but I din't know where too put it exactly. It is regarding the appropriate hardware though (and possibly BIOS on formula II)?

Is anyone having problems with BIOS 2104? Reason I'm asking is...... I've been using 2104 for a few weeks now without any problems really apart from one! Racedriver GRID! (now I know GRID has problems of it's own but previously with BIOS 1901 I'm sure it was ok) It's not a BSOD I get, It's an app crash error normally right in the middle of a race (GRID.EXE has stopped working.) The system is stable, has no memory erros or anything. GPU temps are maxed at 88*C during the game (normal I think for a GTX295?) and CPU max is 60*C.

Basically could the 2104 BIOS be causing this please? I'm just asking before I back flash it.

TIA fellas

orb

That's because too much overclock and not stable PC. Try to bump your vCore with 2-3 steps and I think will be better :)
I had same crashes in GTAIV and Fallout but that was because my PC wasn't complete stable. With +0.25 Vcore everything was fine.
If it is not the CPU, maybe is the memory or NB, you have to find it yourself. For me 2104 is the best bios until now.

[eSp!s0]

If some of you are interested, there are 2 modded versions of bios 1901 at forumdeluxx.de: http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/showthread.php?t=588579

BIOS modded by e.v.o - MIIF mBIOS

Hierbei handelt es sich um von mir gemoddete BIOSe für das MIIF. Die Benutzung erfolgt auf eigene Gefahr. Für Fehler übernehme ich keine Haftung, bisher kamen aber keine Klagen.

Was wurde gemodded?
Es wird hier jeweils 2 Versionen geben:
- Eine orginal Version mit neueren ROMs für Intel/Marvell RAID/SATA und PXE: mBIOS.XXXX.1xx
- Eine Testversion mit einigen Tweaks und Experimenten auf Basis von mBIOS.1xx: mBIOS.XXXX.2xx
- XXXX = Version des Asus Orginal BIOS. 1 bzw. 2 gibt die Geschmacksrichtung an gefolgt von der zweistelligen Versionsnummer des mBIOS.

Wer keine Ergebnisse zurückliefern möchte und nicht für die Community und sich selber testen möchte was an Performance noch möglich ist, greift bitte zur sichereren mBIOS.1xx Version. Der Rest ist dazu aufgerufen die orginal Version zu benchen und diese gegen das mBIOS.2xx antreten zu lassen.

# mBIOS.1xx Pack

- mBIOS.1901.101
- mBIOS.1901.100

# mBIOS.1901.2xx

- mBIOS.2xx Pack

...1xx is normal bios with updated device drivers and ...2xx is a version with some tweaks, I dont know any details, sorry. I just switched to the mBIOS.1901.101 yesterday and no problems so far.

[KURTZ]

hi fellas! good news!!!!! the evo's sli bios seem runs correctly!!!!!! :D :D :D

http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showpost.php?p=27758312&postcount=7761

[Grnfinger]

this is good news...I might give it a go with my old 8800's

[GFORCE100]

hi fellas! good news!!!!! the evo's sli bios seem runs correctly!!!!!! :D :D :D

http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showpost.php?p=27758312&postcount=7761

If SLI is indeed working in the BIOS E.V.O modded then it would be nice if he SLI patched his version 201 BIOS (he knows which) and also changed the RAID ROM for the latest 8.7.1007 which is now available. If he can't find it online I can email it. I looked into the BIOS myself but as I don't know which is the RAID ROM from all the four PCI code 20 ROM's I can't change it (and haven't gotten round to using a hex editor yet).

Hopefully E.V.O will come back here from Forum Deluxx forums as he seems to be hanging out there most often :)

[eSp!s0]

If SLI is indeed working in the BIOS E.V.O modded then it would be nice if he SLI patched his version 201 BIOS (he knows which) and also changed the RAID ROM for the latest 8.7.1007 which is now available. If he can't find it online I can email it. I looked into the BIOS myself but as I don't know which is the RAID ROM from all the four PCI code 20 ROM's I can't change it (and haven't gotten round to using a hex editor yet).

Hopefully E.V.O will come back here from Forum Deluxx forums as he seems to be hanging out there most often :)

I just wrote a private message to him at forumdeluxe.

[orbiter]

Hi guys..

Just a quick question for you guys who know the MFII inside out. I'm getting a Xonar D2X sound card tomorrow for which I need a PCI-E x1 slot free. I've been informed that I can't use the top black slot for this as its not wired up as a proper PCI-E slot. So to free up another PCI-E x1 slot I've had to move my GTX295 down to the lower PCI-E x16 slot, however someone has mentioned that the lower slot on th MFII only operates at x8 speed? now I think this is only true when crossfiring two cards and a single card would run at it's max x16 speed in either slot? Could you please confirm for me guys?

Many Thanks

Orb

[GFORCE100]

Hi guys..

Just a quick question for you guys who know the MFII inside out. I'm getting a Xonar D2X sound card tomorrow for which I need a PCI-E x1 slot free. I've been informed that I can't use the top black slot for this as its not wired up as a proper PCI-E slot. So to free up another PCI-E x1 slot I've had to move my GTX295 down to the lower PCI-E x16 slot, however someone has mentioned that the lower slot on th MFII only operates at x8 speed? now I think this is only true when crossfiring two cards and a single card would run at it's max x16 speed in either slot? Could you please confirm for me guys?

Many Thanks

Orb

Hi there,

I don't have a definite answer for you but here's a thought, have you tried checking what CPU-Z tells you in the mainboard tab for link width? Is it 8x or 16x with your GTX295 in the PCI-E x16 #2 slot?

As far as I know the MIIF only works at 8x when it has two graphics cards inserted, due to the limitation of the P45 chipset rather than the board itself.

[orbiter]

Hi GFORCE,

With the GPU in slot #2, CPUz shows "link width" x16 and "max supported" x16.

Is this a definate indication that i'm fine with the GPU in slot #2 and It won't revert to x8 or have a detrimantel effect on performance? You see I'd rather just send my (not yet arrived) Xonar D2X back and have the gpu back in the top slot if using this bottom slot is going to effect performance in some way.

regards

orb

[Grnfinger]

Hi GFORCE,

With the GPU in slot #2, CPUz shows "link width" x16 and "max supported" x16.

Is this a definate indication that i'm fine with the GPU in slot #2 and It won't revert to x8 or have a detrimantel effect on performance? You see I'd rather just send my (not yet arrived) Xonar D2X back and have the gpu back in the top slot if using this bottom slot is going to effect performance in some way.

regards

orb

performance will not be affected its only when running crossfire that it will dial down to x8....

[WaterFlex]

Who has Swiftech Nbmax? what are your temps, guys?

[GFORCE100]

Hi GFORCE,

With the GPU in slot #2, CPUz shows "link width" x16 and "max supported" x16.

Is this a definate indication that i'm fine with the GPU in slot #2 and It won't revert to x8 or have a detrimantel effect on performance? You see I'd rather just send my (not yet arrived) Xonar D2X back and have the gpu back in the top slot if using this bottom slot is going to effect performance in some way.

regards

orb

Hi concur with what Grnfinger wrote above. Just to be 110% sure you can do a 3DMark benchmark in slots #1 and #2 and compare the results. The chances are that they will be like for like except for the small variation between benchmark runs which is to be expected anyway.

[jspuds]

Hi Guys

I have been lurking in this thread for some time and was hoping you can help me.

I’m looking for a stable 24hr OC of about 4GHz and am looking for suggested settings.

I have read a few different guides and have ended up more confused as everybody seems to have slightly different settings

My Rig:
Maximus II Formula
Intel Q9650
True Ultra
Corsair Dominator 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 XMS2 PC2-8500C5 (5-5-5-15)
2x 80GB VelociRaptor (RAID 0)
2x 750GB Samsung F1 (RAID 1)
EVGA Geforce 260 SSC
Creative X-Fi
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610
Antec Twelve Hundred Case
Dual Boot XP/W7

Thanks in advance

[Khubilai]

Hi Folks,

I must confess it's been a long time I've been reading very carefully all the posts from the beginning but I never had time to post a comment myself...or maybe I was too lazy. I must thank you all for giving life to that forum everyday and it's a pity that I've heard so many people deceived by this board and giving up. I was also feeling the same many times, thinking I should not have paid the price for this board as many lower price boards can do better in matter of performances and it is a shame that Asus is not offering better services to people who has chosen the must of their products. But I'm still hoping that the bios we are all waiting for will come soon and bring all the potential of that board.
I had previously a P5K Premium which could not drive me to such FSBs than the MIIF but was more stable and faster (for example I was 10 MB/s faster on file copy)...it was based on P35 so logically P45 should have been better and it might be the case for some other boards.
According to a lot of posts, some of the bests MIIF have impressive results and what everyone agree is that it can strike violent FSB even with 4 rams. Hope there will still be people trying to reach the maximum of that Maximus...because so many available tweaking could not be just for cosmetic.
I'm happy to share a few results with you, it still can be improved (and we'll work on it:)), there are not so many posts about E8600 and I would like to add my contribution.
When I first got my MIIF, after long weeks of tweakin I could reach a safe 4.4 GHz at 490 of FSB pushing the RAMs to a nice 1177. I will attach some screenshots but only the Everest Memory Benchmark to save place...
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6822/cachememe8600maximus490.png
I was aware that it was not enough for such a motherboard though I'm on air.
Thanks to Simps and the documentation he made:clap: I could go on again with the overclocking and I was able to reach a benchable 540 FSB but not stable at all.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2916/cachememe8600maximus540.png
Anyway it was the best result for me so far with 4 gigs of memory...I remained at 490 and forgot the overclocking for a while. I recently got me a second E8600 which was supposed to need less voltage than mine but I had a lot of instability and could only perfom 4.3 GHz max.
Fortunately I kept a profile with the 540 FSB in my second boot and a few weeks ago I decided to retry a few tweakings. I could hold a stable 520 FSB but with 8 multi which gave me only 4.16 GHz.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6457/cachememe8600q822a435ma.png
I was seriously thinking that my new CPU was a crap and I was getting mad, but I was hoping that my MB has changed after many months of use and needed to modify a few settings. I never thought about changing the PLL voltage because I was scared to destroy my CPU:eek: so I was stacking at 1.5 V max...I finally got some courage and tried a little more voltage staying still far from the 1.6 V max safe for that CPU...that did the trick! I could reach a stable 4.37 GHz at 515 FSB with a 8.5 multi.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9558/cachememe8600q822a435mai.png
I used to enter manually the voltage with my first E8600 but as it was more tricky with the new one I set it to Auto to start hostilities...at 4.4 GHz it was needing 1.38 V (in Auto) and I found it more hot than the first one at that voltage due to the small VID (1.1000:yepp:)...after 2 days of stability I decided to give it less voltage and passed 1H CPUStress at 1.37 V...day after 1.36 V, 1H30 at 1.35 V and so on...my minimum voltage to get stable is 1.30 V (which is not bad after all:D).
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3603/cpustress5154377129v.jpg
What I can confirm is that adding a very few more volts on PLL helped me to decrease CPU voltage. High FSB has no real benefit for me because over 500 I need to decrease PL which means a lost in the bandwidth...when I was at 490 I was running PL 8 Stronger and now only PL 10 Moderate...a little more bandwith on Write and Copy but less on Read, a little more voltage on VNB and VFSB with a little more heat and I have the feeling that the MB is a little more noisy at high FSB.
So what's coming next? I will go on for a nice 4.5 GHz at 500 FSB with RAM 1200 and PL8/PL9 Stronger...it's a good challenge and I'm crossing fingers...sorry for the length of my post...best overclocking to all!

[orbiter]

performance will not be affected its only when running crossfire that it will dial down to x8....

Thanks very much Grnfinger for the confirmation & to you also Gforce for the help, It's very much appreciated and I'm looking forward to receiving my new D2X sound card again now :) I did try a 3DMark06 run which showed almost identical scores to the GPU being in the top slot, so like you guys say all will be fine :)

Thanks again & kind regards

orb

[eSp!s0]

Hi guys..

Just a quick question for you guys who know the MFII inside out. I'm getting a Xonar D2X sound card tomorrow for which I need a PCI-E x1 slot free. I've been informed that I can't use the top black slot for this as its not wired up as a proper PCI-E slot. So to free up another PCI-E x1 slot I've had to move my GTX295 down to the lower PCI-E x16 slot, however someone has mentioned that the lower slot on th MFII only operates at x8 speed? now I think this is only true when crossfiring two cards and a single card would run at it's max x16 speed in either slot? Could you please confirm for me guys?

Many Thanks

Orb

I thought it`s possible to use the black one for other audio cards? Here or at forumdeluxe I read a post from somebody reporting that he is using a X-Fi in the black PCIex1.

Edit: Ok, I found the post at forumdeluxe and the guy says, if you disable the onboardsound in the bios its a normal PCIex1 and his X-Fi Titanium is running without any problems in this slot.

[WaterFlex]

I have just installed my Swiftech NBMAX and was dissapointed: NB temp under Prime or win memtest 3.8 or linpack is max 45. With stock rad it was 53. WTF?

[WhiteFireDragon]

that's because the the swiftech block does not go directly on the NB. it has to travel through the heatsink assembly first before even reaching the block. and to add on to that, the whole stock assembly is mostly aluminum. only the heatpipes and small part of the base is copper. if you want to properly cool the board, you have to make direct contact with the NB. EK has two blocks that will fit it after you take off the heatsink assembly.

[loonym]

According to a lot of posts, some of the bests MIIF have impressive results and what everyone agree is that it can strike violent FSB even with 4 rams. Hope there will still be people trying to reach the maximum of that Maximus...because so many available tweaking could not be just for cosmetic.
I'm happy to share a few results with you, it still can be improved (and we'll work on it:)), there are not so many posts about E8600 and I would like to add my contribution.
Nice work, thanks for posting. I haven't given up on it completely yet. I've been waiting delivery of a 2 stage to have some more fun with my m2f. In a couple weeks I hope I can show you folks some results. :up:

Either that or a killed board :rofl: :D

[WaterFlex]

that's because the the swiftech block does not go directly on the NB. it has to travel through the heatsink assembly first before even reaching the block. and to add on to that, the whole stock assembly is mostly aluminum. only the heatpipes and small part of the base is copper. if you want to properly cool the board, you have to make direct contact with the NB. EK has two blocks that will fit it after you take off the heatsink assembly.

Maybe i need take out m2f heat pipe, delete stock paste and swap it with MX2?

[WaterFlex]

I don`t understand. I just removed stock NB rad and used MX-2 and istalled NBMAX. So, the surface where I put waterblock is not the surface of north bridge chipset?

[WhiteFireDragon]

the best is to put EK's S-MAX or NB/SB5 directly on there without any of the stock heatsinks in the way. but this will require to you cool the other two mosfet areas, the SB, and add enzotech copper PWM heatsinks.

but if you want to leave the heatsink assembly on there and add the swiftech NBMAX right over everythin, then put little washers with the back screw to add a little pressure to the mount. replace the stock TIM with better ones, and make sure every area makes contact with the heatsink.

[orbiter]

I thought it`s possible to use the black one for other audio cards? Here or at forumdeluxe I read a post from somebody reporting that he is using a X-Fi in the black PCIex1.

Edit: Ok, I found the post at forumdeluxe and the guy says, if you disable the onboardsound in the bios its a normal PCIex1 and his X-Fi Titanium is running without any problems in this slot.

Thanks for that eSp!s0 :up: Can anyone else confirm this please as It would mean I could put my GTX295 back in the right place?

[WaterFlex]

WhiteFireDragon
Thank you!

[Grnfinger]

Nice work, thanks for posting. I haven't given up on it completely yet. I've been waiting delivery of a 2 stage to have some more fun with my m2f. In a couple weeks I hope I can show you folks some results. :up:

Either that or a killed board :rofl: :D
looking forward to seeing your results

[KURTZ]

Who has Swiftech Nbmax? what are your temps, guys?

max 41° C onto the NB ... :)

[Eeky NoX]

So checked an E5200 on it and I lost 10 on FSB against the Commando ...so what about voltage -_- that's what's the worth !!
Cain't give any tension to my 45nm's with any bios above the 1307 and even wit it : I'ts bad -_- But a gat a 32M @4 stable with 580 ram.

For the fun I'm testing wit it my new CF these days : 2xHD4770 !! But they'll go on my new UD3's after ;) ...and the MIIF will go in other hands :D

So I'll realy leave you my friends ^^ (See U on next platforme)

[orbiter]

Hi all,

Just to confirm for anybody who may read this info or have the same MFII black slot query regarding sound and other PCI-E x1 cards. The black slot on the MFII is NOT just for the Asus Supreme FXII card (I was advised otherwise on another forum.) It CAN be used for other cards too :yepp: Yesterday I ended up moving my GTX295 and Network card in readiness for my new Xonar D2X as I was in need of another x1 slot, (thinking the first black one was of no use.) The sound card arrived today :).. So.. I put my GTX295 and the network card back in their original places, and fitted my dual TV tuner card in the top black x1 slot and it works just fine. You just need to disable audio in BIOS.

Thanks again to eSp!s0 for the assistance. Thanks mate :up:

Regards

orb

[eSp!s0]

Great that you can confirm this, too. Now I read posts from 3 different people that it works :up:

[jspuds]

Guys,

Any help would be gratefully received?????




Hi Guys

I have been lurking in this thread for some time and was hoping you can help me.

I’m looking for a stable 24hr OC of about 4GHz and am looking for suggested settings.

I have read a few different guides and have ended up more confused as everybody seems to have slightly different settings

My Rig:
Maximus II Formula
Intel Q9650
True Ultra
Corsair Dominator 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 XMS2 PC2-8500C5 (5-5-5-15)
2x 80GB VelociRaptor (RAID 0)
2x 750GB Samsung F1 (RAID 1)
EVGA Geforce 260 SSC
Creative X-Fi
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610
Antec Twelve Hundred Case
Dual Boot XP/W7

Thanks in advance

[screwtech02]

Man, i'm havin a hellova time getttin my Q9450 stable @4.0... It seems that the bios "lacks" the fine tuning adjustments for runnin a quad anywere near the "4.0" mark..... I was thinkin of gettin a Giga P45, but i've got too much damn $$$ wraped up in all the Asus stuff i've got...... Your 9650 oughta be a bit easier with the 9x multi, but like i said, its the "fine tuning" thats gonna make it, or break it.....

[Grnfinger]

Man, i'm havin a hellova time getttin my Q9450 stable @4.0... It seems that the bios "lacks" the fine tuning adjustments for runnin a quad anywere near the "4.0" mark..... I was thinkin of gettin a Giga P45, but i've got too much damn $$$ wraped up in all the Asus stuff i've got...... Your 9650 oughta be a bit easier with the 9x multi, but like i said, its the "fine tuning" thats gonna make it, or break it.....

here is my 9550 setup running @ 4.0GHz

this is chip testing so thats why you see 1:1

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/MII_4GHZ.jpg

here is the ram brought into play

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/10loop_40_stable_1130.jpg

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
FSB Frequency : 471
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1131
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 65
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 10
Write to Read Delay (S) : 4
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 6
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 5
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 16
Read to PRE Delay : 6
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 6
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 6

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 101

CPU Voltage : 1.4375
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.57950
FSBT : 1.36500
DRAM Voltage : 2.19750
North Bridge Voltage : 1.43125
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : -45
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : -45
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled


Hope it helps

[screwtech02]

I'll give that a shot GRN, currently have my DKx48+ installed, what a Epic Fail this board is with a Quad, ugh.... You get that Rampage going yet???

[Grnfinger]

I've been so busy lately and to top it all off my basement flooded when the road crew were working on the water mains.
Its supposed to rain all weekend so I really hope to have the Rampage running by Sunday

[CryptiK]

Not sure if this applies to everyone's boards, but mine seems to be very unstable between around 475 to 499 FSB. 470 FSB is fine, but it gets progressively less stable as it approaches 478 FSB, and is unstabilizable between 478 and 499 FSB. Sometimes at around 495 - 499 FSB, it won't even load windows.

For example, at 9 x 478 = 4302 MHz @ 1.28v it fails orthos in less than 2 mins, it doesn't make it to the 4th 8K test. However I'm currently testing 8.5 x 506 = 4301 MHz @ 1.28v all other settings the same (except the ram speed of course) and it has passed more than 2 sets of the 8K test and has been running error free for around 32 mins so far.

Perhaps it's worth testing if this applies to your board too, and although it may appear counter intuitive, going straight to 500 FSB from 470 - 499 FSB may help solve stability issues if you are experiencing them.

4301 Mhz (506 x 8.5) @ 1.27v - DDR2-1214 @ 1.96v - PL8

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/4301Mhz506x85127v-DDR2-1214196v-PL8.jpg

[Khubilai]

Mine is quite stable between 470 and 490 FSB but I'm actually fighting with 500 (and I guess it will be the same at 495)...but it might also be due to the fact that I use higher mem frequency at that FSB. I will try to give more NB voltage to see if it makes a difference. If not, I will perhaps forget these values and try higher ones as I might be around the FSB hole.

[CryptiK]

Interesting, I didn't think it would apply to all boards though. Knowing my luck I got some POS M2F with a huge FSB hole, and it just so happens that the FSB hole is right where I want to run it 24/7. 500 FSB is where it's suddenly stable for me. I can run 500 x 8.5 on the 5:6 divider and it's fine, but I'd prefer to not have to run 1.96v through my good D9's 24/7 (ignore my sig it's incorrect).

[Khubilai]

Very strange behaviour indeed, interesting settings on that MB are around FSB hole so we are getting mad as it's not easy to determine if we are right inside or not. Another strange thing on my MIIF is that even unstable at 500 FSB I'm still booting at PL8, but at 515 I cannot even use PL9, only PL10...I have to investigate values such as 505/510 to see if I have chance to boot at PL9 or if it goes straight from PL8 to PL10.

[CryptiK]

Each board behaves differently. I can run PL8 up to 542 FSB stable, higher than that the board can't the frequency, 651 MHz is the absolute max, and that requires 150ps delay to keep it SPI32M stable. If I attempt to go higher, no amount of skew (or any other) adjustment will stabilize it. It's definitely not my ram, it is stable at 651 MHz @ 2.24v and I have had it higher totally stable on other boards.

[Khubilai]

You won the jackpot with your sticks, what are the reference? There is a shop in my area that is selling very cheap ones but I don't think they are the same: Xtreem Dark Series TXDD2048M1066HC5D.

I had a very short night and fortunately it's Friday so I will be able to sleep a lot tomorrow:). I started to test several FSB values from 490 to 510 and the board is perfectly stable until 496 with 1.39 VNB. After 496 FSB unstability occurs and sometimes it is stable and sometimes not, but as I didn't write on paper:confused: I will have to redo one or two of the tests to confirm. I think I could be stable using PL10 with 1:1 divider. BTW it's because of that divider that I couldn't boot the MIIF at PL8 passed 500 FSB. Changing the strap helped me to boot with no problem at PL8 (12:10 is probably the best for that board) but I will need RAM that can go up to 1300 to pass 500 FSB, mine are doing 1200 at 2.25 V and are d9gmh but I'm not confident with giving them more than 2.35 V.
One thing is certain, 497 FSB is my worse value and could be the beginning of a small FSB hole, nothing stable at that value while I can use a stable PL8 at 496. It could for be the same reason that many owners find it difficult to get stable around 500 FSB. I will do some more test to check if I can get stable at PL8/9 - 515/520 FSB.

[CryptiK]

The TeamGroup product code is TXDD2048M1066HC5DC (not the Dark series).

Your sticks should hopefully be able to do DDR2-1200 with less than 2.25v. Make sure you have Memory OC Charger enabled in BIOS.

[Khubilai]

Thanks mate. The OC Charger is already enabled and the maximum frequency I could reach with the 4 sticks together is 1200 at 2.2 V (they can perform a little more one by one). Now they need 2.25 V to get stable (about 80 errors in Memtest at 2.2V) and I don't know where it's coming from...as it's not a lot of volts it might be a change in the motherboard with months of use or just another fine tuning need...anyway I will not expect something spectacular like 1300 with these sticks.

[CryptiK]

I've been doing a little testing. This seems to be a pretty nice 24/7 setup, the main aim being to restrict the voltage as much as possible. This also has the obvious knock on effect of keeping things cooler too which is also good. I'm working on reducing the vNB now, as it seems the board was struggling at 470 - 499 FSB and now seems much more comfortable at 500 FSB. Setting NB GTL Ref to -40mv also added some stability at 500 FSB.

I realize vdimm reads as 1.98v in the SS, it was flicking between 1.97 - 1.98v under small FFT load, I happened to capture that while it was on 1.98v, but under HCI Memtest load, it sits solidly on 1.97v which represents approximate maximum memory stress.

4250 MHz (500 x 8.5) @ 1.256v / DDR2-1200 @ 1.97v / PL8

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/4250Mhz1264v1256v-DDR2-1200197v-PL8.jpg

[WaterFlex]

Guys, can you share your 500x8 full bios config?

[eSp!s0]

Sure:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: 1002Mhz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: 5-5-5-12, others Auto
Auto DRAM Static Read Control: Deaktiviert
Auto DRAM Read Training: Aktiviert
Auto MEM. OC Charger: Deaktiviert
Auto Ai Clock Twister: Moderate

Ai Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level: 10

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1,218
CPU PLL Voltage: 1,50
FSB Termination Voltage: 1,179
DRAM Voltage: 1,80
North Bridge Voltage: 1,179
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: Auto
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: Auto

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load-Line Calibration: Deaktiviert
CPU Spread Spectrum: Deaktiviert
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Deaktiviert

[WaterFlex]

eSp!s0
Thank you mate, but I need someone share 1200mhz ram mode with tight timings and subtimings

[CryptiK]

I'm not running 8 x 500 but I'm currently running 8.5 x 500, so it should be the same but with higher vcore. Remember your board & hardware will be a little different too, so this will just be a base to tweak from. I wouldn't call my ram timings 'tight' though, they are just average in my opinion.



Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 500
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1200 Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Normal
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Info: 5-5-5-15-3-30-6-3
2nd Info: 7-3-5-4-6-4-6
3rd Info: 14-5-1-5-5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage: 1.31875
CPU PLL Voltage:1.50000
FSB Termination Voltage:1.25900
DRAM Voltage: 1.98550
North Bridge Voltage: 1.28550
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50000
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10000

CPU GTL Reference (0): +60mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +60mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +20mv
NB GTL Reference: -40mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Disabled (I prefer droop it provides cleaner power to the CPU if you do not adjust vcore accordingly- target load voltage is 1.256v)
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled


For anyone interested, here is my Orthos/Linpack/Memtest stable 4.3GHz (506 x 8.5) / DDR-1214 settings:



Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 506
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1216 Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Normal
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Info: 5-5-5-15-3-30-6-3
2nd Info: 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
3rd Info: 14-5-1-5-5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage: 1.34375
CPU PLL Voltage:1.50000
FSB Termination Voltage:1.25900
DRAM Voltage: 1.99175
North Bridge Voltage:1.29875
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50000
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10000

CPU GTL Reference (0): +60mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +60mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +20mv
NB GTL Reference: -40mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Disabled (I prefer droop it provides cleaner power to the CPU if you do not adjust vcore accordingly- target load voltage is 1.280v)
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[WaterFlex]

thank you, bro :up:
testing...

[WaterFlex]

CryptiK
You have a little strange subtimings.
When I was on MF x38 i just set 5-5-5-15 and other subs on auto. Was stable.
When I moved on MIIF I can got error while running Prime after 2-3 hours.
In 2-3 days I will get the second CellShock kit. Until that I need fix my system.
And yes: on x38 i had 10600 Read. Now, i have only 10300.

[CryptiK]

What do you mean by strange subtimings? They are essentially auto, but three of them are pulled in a little tighter. Auto for my sticks comes up as:

1st Info: 5-5-5-15-3-42-6-3
2nd Info: 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
3rd Info: 15-5-1-5-5


Here's my CellShock 8000 C4 sticks at the settings I provided above.

600 MHz / 5-5-5-15 @ 1.97v / 500% dual HCI Memtest

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/4250Mhz1256v-DDR2-1200197v-PL8vNB12.jpg

[WaterFlex]

CryptiK
I have the same auto timings. Hmmm, I`m not stable with your setup...probably, your RAM is better
Trying more vDimm

[CryptiK]

Could be a few things. Set your vNB and NB GTL Ref to what you know is stable, then try the ram settings. Your ram may need a little more vdimm but it should be similar.

[WaterFlex]

It seems i am stable using your setup but i had to increase vdimm to 2,05. Why my cellshock need more vdimm than your?

[CryptiK]

Not sure, I have 2 8000 C4 kits and they both perform the same. Probably just luck I'd say.

[WaterFlex]

CryptiK
hey, bro! show me your everest bench result!
I fixed subtimings and can do 1200 mhz at 1,96volts with 10300 read.
Will post a screenshot soon

[WaterFlex]

That`s my result:
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4531/63927816.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/63927816.jpg/)

[CryptiK]

Good work, so what subtimings are you running for 600 MHz HCI Memtest stable @ 2.00v? I am running some SPI32M benches while I cook dinner, I'll post up my everest later on but I also get 103xx MB/s read.

[WaterFlex]

5-5-5-15-3-30-6-3
7-4-5-4-6-5-6
14-5-1-5-5
Trying to tight timings.

[WaterFlex]

500x9 setup. Full stable. Can be used for 24/7. Hate my chip has max multiplyer 9 :(
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4715/29949978.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/29949978.jpg/)

[Grnfinger]

I wouldnt call 17 mins of prime stable but looks like you got a decent chip there, nice results :up:

[screwtech02]

Ok guys, lets see some Quad+8gb 500fsb stable settings...... Preferably 45nm quad.....

[Grnfinger]

Finally got the Rampage build done, my 2 MIIF boards will be sold off this week along with a couple of E8400 chips..
Going to run the Rampage and finally jump on the i7 wagon....shopping for a board and blocks now.
Have all the MIIF settings from a stock run to 500FSB, will post up some head to head runs of the 2 boards for anyone who is interested later this week.....

[screwtech02]

How ya likin the Rampage Grn??? I get better mem bandwidth with my MIIF......

[Grnfinger]

I'm running 467FSB atm currently they score almost identicle, now the rampage is untweaked and the MII was and to keep it fair I'm running PL8 on the rampage so once I drop it to PL7 the rampage will surpass the MIIF in bandwidth

MIIF

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/467FSB_MIIF.jpg


Rampage

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4200_notweaks.png


Just an update on the MIIF using my 467 setting I could not go 1FSB higher without errors, dial'd in the exact same voltages and was able to run 471FSB stable, a modest gain yes but 50MHz on the same settings is still 50MHz more :D , going to test more later in the week when I have proper time

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4250_notweaks.png http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/DSCF0093.jpg

[Khubilai]

I've been doing a little testing. This seems to be a pretty nice 24/7 setup, the main aim being to restrict the voltage as much as possible. This also has the obvious knock on effect of keeping things cooler too which is also good. I'm working on reducing the vNB now, as it seems the board was struggling at 470 - 499 FSB and now seems much more comfortable at 500 FSB. Setting NB GTL Ref to -40mv also added some stability at 500 FSB.

Good work! I've also found that using strong negative values on NB GTL helped me to reduce VNB. After setting it to -60 I was able to use 1.36 V instead of 1.39 at 515 FSB and I think I can lower it more (need more time for testing as I wasted time on RAM).


500x9 setup. Full stable. Can be used for 24/7. Hate my chip has max multiplyer 9 :(

Very nice indeed.


On my side I found why I was not stable at 500 FSB. These last days were too hot and running my memories over 1150 leaded me to unstability as they were generating more heat than usual. If I want to run safe at that FSB I must either use a better cooling or find me some other RAMs that can go higher. Using the 1:1 divider is forcing me to switch to PL10. What is a shame is that when I bought my MIIF I was using OCZ Flex 9600 memories with no problem on my P5K Premium and they were laughing at 1200 5.5.5.15. Due to f... incompatibility with the MIIF I had to buy me my actual CellShock sticks. Since that time, no decent bios was able to make me boot with the OCZ at 1200.:mad:

[KURTZ]

guys, news about the SLI bios?

[CryptiK]

Grnfinger - your Rampage looks really good with that one piece block & mosfet blocks on it. I will have to get you to do some SPI32M comparisons with the M2F.

Well I managed to reduce my vNB a little :D Seems stable so far, 1100+ % dual HCI memtest with about as much ram as possible allocated is pretty solid in my experience. I'll have to do some more testing though before I call it anything like stable.

4.25GHz (500 x 8.5) / DDR2-1200 @ 1.97v / PL8 @ 1.20 vNB / 1100% memtest

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/4250Mhz1264v1256v-DDR2-1200197v--1.jpg


4.25GHz (500 x 8.5) / DDR2-1200 @ 1.97v / PL8 @ 1.20 vNB / 1hr+ Orthos Small FFT

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/4250Mhz1264v1256v-DDR2-1200197v--2.jpg

[jason4207]

Ok guys, lets see some Quad+8gb 500fsb stable settings...... Preferably 45nm quad.....

I'd love to see this as well. I just don't think it's possible. I haven't seen 500FSB w/ a 45nm quad that passed enough tests that I would call it 24/7 stable.

There is a wall around 475-485FSB. You have to tweak so many voltages and play w/ so many interdependent settings to go only a few MHz that it's hardly worth it. And even when you think it's stable if you re-run a test w/ the same BIOS settings from the previous day that had passed 12hrs+ you can all of the sudden get failures very quickly. PITA!

I gave up after a month of testing and settled on 471x8.5 (4GHz). Voltages all around are nice and low which is great for this heat.

If you want 4GHz 24/7 stable on this board you really need at least a Q9550. If you want a little more then get a Q9650.

[Khubilai]

Some more tests using my RAM at 4.4.4.12 PL9 Moderate. I will see if I can go to Strong/Stronger tomorrow and maybe switch back to 5.5.5.15 if my sticks are not getting too hot.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8331/cpustress49544554441213.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9009/q822a4354455pl9moderate.jpg

[PhenomII2]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/93/screenshot019j.jpg

Done on the M II F , All air !

[WaterFlex]

CryptiK
Show everest, please

[CryptiK]

Here you go:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/everest425ghzddr1200pl8.jpg

[WaterFlex]

CryptiK
Very nice. BTW, I am sure, you have the latest BIOS, don`t you?
I just have updated my old 1307 to 2104. Started liking it.

[CryptiK]

I actually use 1901. I have given up trying new BIOS's for this board. I have 1307 installed on BIOS chip #2 and there is no real difference for me between 1307 or 1901. Glad new one's working for you.

[WaterFlex]

CryptiK, mate.
What do Intel Virtualization Tech & CPU TM Function do?

[humeyboy]

Virtualization Tech, is to let you run a hardware based Virtual PC.

Example, the new XP-Mode that's going to be in Windows 7 (for now a seperate beta download).

Your CPU needs to support this to even run XP-Mode.

Some low end Intel's do not as Intel disabled it but most new AMD's do.

TM I think is a thermal limit that will throttle or shut donn the PC by the Mobo not just relying on the CPU's built in protection (I'm not 100% on it TBH).

[In-Fluence]

Hi, just been trawling through this thread after taking some careful time to find something good to replace my P5B, and was in 2 minds about going for one of these.

But.... Thanks to the wealth of information found right here, and the impressive potential of this board, I ordered it along with another metre of tygon tubing! :)

My P5B-Deluxe (with a few mods), has reached it's limit now I've got my hands on a G0 Quad, and although 3.7GHz 24/7 was pretty damn good for a board of this age, I'm intent on breaking this barrier with the MF2, particularly sinc I hear it's pretty good at getting the most out of low voltages :)

Here's an old bench at 3.6GHz with 1.416v (vdroop modded, and almost exactly as a DMM reading reports), but has cruised at 3.7 on 1.46 for months since I went H20 :)
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/Q6600at361GHz.jpg

To go with the tubing (after I've removed the nice looking, but seemingly not very effective heatsink assembly), I'll be bolting down an MCW30 for the NB, along with 2 Enzotech MST-81's for the mosfets which were on my P5B. I'll probably hunt down some low-profile HS for the SB.

Hopefully my new bits will arrive tomorrow, and I'll probably go offline for a day or so whilst I pay close attention to my (and your) research, and tinker until I (hopefully) pass my old limit. Wish me luck!

[klataa]

Hi guys!

Anone was trying to bench on win 7?? I bought nvidia 295 graphic and 2x2gb ram's. I have installed win 7 64bits and my score at qx9650@4400mhz in 3dmark 2006 is 23430 wich is LOW because in XP 32bits i have 25430 pts. Meaby there is some option in bios that slows down CPU in 64 bits or make it faster when enable? In CPU options in bios i have all options disable (like Virtualization Tech or TM etc.) All my drivers are good and dedicated to win 7 64. One more. My friend have also win 7 64bit and GTX 295 and at the same CPU speed he can get 26230 pts in 2k6 3dmark.
Anyone have any idea whats wrong?

[WaterFlex]

humeyboy
Thank you!

[Grnfinger]

Heres a 467X9 MIIF VS Rampage ram is running 12:10 on both boards timings are exactly the same

MIIF

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/467FSB_MIIF.jpg

Rampage

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4200_pl7a.png

[WaterFlex]

X48 >> P45

[Ghostleader]

@Grnfinger

What about Clock Twister and Common Performance Level, what was the setup for those on the MIIF compare to RF?

You don´t have a 32M with the MIIF compare to RF, it should be interesting to see the different between them, even though RF have a bit better bandwidth and latency I´m not sure it´s faster in 32M.

[CryptiK]

Yes, a 32M comparison would be good. I'd be surprised if tyhe X48 was not faster than the P45 at the same settings.

@ Ghostleader, speaking of 32M comparisons, can you please run one with your rampage at the same settings as in your sig and show cpuz/memset in SS? I'll run one at the same settings. Use LSC enabled of course or it wont be comparable.

[Grnfinger]

the MIIF ss was from and older run...the rampage seetings were indentical to the MIIF

MIIF
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]


Rampage

DRAM Static Read :Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Will run a 32m tonight and post up setting for both was tired and lazy so just did a quick bandwidth run, tbh I havent had much time to play with the board I hope to get a chance to really test it out this weekend, been wrestling with a GPU issue on this board

[Ghostleader]

Yes, a 32M comparison would be good. I'd be surprised if tyhe X48 was not faster than the P45 at the same settings.

@ Ghostleader, speaking of 32M comparisons, can you please run one with your rampage at the same settings as in your sig and show cpuz/memset in SS? I'll run one at the same settings. Use LSC enabled of course or it wont be comparable.

Sure no problem, this should interesting.



the MIIF ss was from and older run...the rampage seetings were indentical to the MIIF

MIIF
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]


Rampage

DRAM Static Read :Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Will run a 32m tonight and post up setting for both was tired and lazy so just did a quick bandwidth run, tbh I havent had much time to play with the board I hope to get a chance to really test it out this weekend, been wrestling with a GPU issue on this board

Take your time, you gonna have my hours of fun in front of you, looking forward on those 32M runs.

With that FSB and ram speed you should be able to use tRD 7, in almost every case compare to P45 chipset you can go one lower on tRD with X48.

[Ghostleader]

@ CryptiK

Here´s 1M and 32M with my RF and the sig setup.

This was done with Windows 7 RC 64bit and with no optimizations, E8600 @ 500, 4,25GHz / 2x1Gb ram @ 1200 555 5 tRD 7 / DRAM Static Read disabled / Ai Clock Twister strong.

If I run the same with XP SP2 32bit the result get some what better, 1M 10,891s and 32M 11m 04,829s.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/EP45T-UD3P/E860050042502x1120055515tRD7DRAM-1.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/EP45T-UD3P/E860050042502x1120055515tRD7DRAMSta.jpg

[humeyboy]

I thought this was the MFII thread ! :confused:

Seems to be going elsewhere recently.

[Ghostleader]

I thought this was the MFII thread ! :confused:

Seems to be going elsewhere recently.

Sorry don´t mean to hijake this thread, It´s still a MIIF thread so don´t worry, It´s just that it´s interesting to do a comparison once in a while and since Cryptik asked for a comparison between my RF and his MIIF, so I gave him that.

In my opinion it´s interesting to compare things and see where the different are, if there any, no competition in what or which hardware is better then the other, it´s just for fun and to learn and get hold on new knowledge.

Sorry if I offended anyone. Be happy :)

[humeyboy]

NP's Just there is 1 peep who keeps talking/posting about his other Mobo here inc large pics and its getting a bit much TBH IMO. ;)

I come here to read about the MF II ideally.:cool:

[Grnfinger]

NP's Just there is 1 peep who keeps talking/posting about his other Mobo here inc large pics and its getting a bit much TBH IMO. ;)

I come here to read about the MF II ideally.:cool:

I'm not sure what your problem is but others have expressed interest and last time I checked your name was not on the XS domain registry, if it bothers you so much click the ignore button and it should no longer be a problem.


Take your time, you gonna have my hours of fun in front of you, looking forward on those 32M runs.

With that FSB and ram speed you should be able to use tRD 7, in almost every case compare to P45 chipset you can go one lower on tRD with X48.
you can actually go to PL6 with phase pullins enabled they actually work on the Rampage :P
I'm just testing max FSB atm and max Ram MHz I have 3 kits and they all seem to do rather well, I will post some runs in a seperate thread and post up the link here, we wouldnt want to offend anyone that comes here to read MIIF :rofl:

[humeyboy]

I never said I did own this site but this thread is about the MFII.

Feel free to make a thread for your super duper Mobo and I can IGNORE it.

At least your post above does not contain the ROTF smilie for a change.

I seem to remember you scoffed at the SLI bios that may have been possible for the P45 and now seems to be at its 1st stage by EVO (AFAIR) ;)

Comparing another Mobo an odd time is fine but all these giant posts and pictures of a non MFII Mobo are OFFTOPIC IMO.

[Grnfinger]

Comparing another board against the MIIF and posting in the MIIF thread is off topic??? please explain how that is I would be interested to hear it.
Because you cant/wont/dont appreciate comparisons between boards doesnt mean others share your opinion and because I'm curious why do large pictures bother you? are you frightend by them? what does it cost you? money, bandwidth, you dont host the files, are you on dial up and thats your problem??? If size were an isue I'm sure the mods would have filters in place to prevent it from happening.

As for the SLI issue no I did not think was possible and so did the bios's author, once it was proven it was possible I made a positive comment did I not.

I dont come here to argue I try to help when I can and share the little bit I know and soak up the valuble information that is here because others are kind enough to share it...I find this fun and I have a good time doing it, sharing/exchanging information with others is kinda what this site is all about is it not?

[loonym]

Really shouldn't be any need to argue. There are quite a few rampage threads and if I ever have one (doubtful) I'll look at them to get great info I'm sure. Until that time I'd just as soon read about M2F in this one. :up:
A compare thread is a fantastic idea for a new topic for those interested in that.

[Ghostleader]

NP's Just there is 1 peep who keeps talking/posting about his other Mobo here inc large pics and its getting a bit much TBH IMO. ;)

I come here to read about the MF II ideally.:cool:


I never said I did own this site but this thread is about the MFII.

Feel free to make a thread for your super duper Mobo and I can IGNORE it.

At least your post above does not contain the ROTF smilie for a change.

I seem to remember you scoffed at the SLI bios that may have been possible for the P45 and now seems to be at its 1st stage by EVO (AFAIR) ;)

Comparing another Mobo an odd time is fine but all these giant posts and pictures of a non MFII Mobo are OFFTOPIC IMO.


Really shouldn't be any need to argue. There are quite a few rampage threads and if I ever have one (doubtful) I'll look at them to get great info I'm sure. Until that time I'd just as soon read about M2F in this one. :up:
A compare thread is a fantastic idea for a new topic for those interested in that.

Why all this hostility and anger :shrug:, hopefully we all is here to help and share things with each other.

[CryptiK]

@ CryptiK

Here´s 1M and 32M with my RF and the sig setup.

This was done with Windows 7 RC 64bit and with no optimizations, E8600 @ 500, 4,25GHz / 2x1Gb ram @ 1200 555 5 tRD 7 / DRAM Static Read disabled / Ai Clock Twister strong.

If I run the same with XP SP2 32bit the result get some what better, 1M 10,891s and 32M 11m 04,829s.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/EP45T-UD3P/E860050042502x1120055515tRD7DRAM-1.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/Ghostleader_01/EP45T-UD3P/E860050042502x1120055515tRD7DRAMSta.jpg

Thanks for doing that, the X48 is significantly quicker than the p45. I ran SPI32M on Win XP 32 bit so using your XP time, your system is ~9 seconds faster. Your ram timings are also slightly looser than mine.

SPI32M @ 4250 MHz / DDR2-1200 / PL8 / SRC & DRT Enabled / CT Moderate = 11m 13.687s

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/SPI32M4250Mhz1264v1256v-DDR2-120019.jpg

Everest Bandwidth & Latency at same settings

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/CryptiKone/everest425ghzddr1200pl8.jpg

[Ghostleader]

You´re welcome, I just got:flame: because of you, just kidding :p:, glad that I could help out. :)

I most say that I got a bit surprised that the P45 wasn´t faster, what´s your bandwidth and latency?

Have you tried SRC & DRT Disabled and CT Strong, just to see if there´s a different?

[CryptiK]

Yeah that wasn't my intention. Perhaps I should have provided you with a flame suit with my request. Given this is the 148th page of the thread, I figured we have almost run out of things to say about the M2F alone, I was under the impression it was an interesting comparison, given the fact the 2 boards in question are often 2 boards compared by people when choosing a new DDR2/s775 platform. Now people are moving to i7 & X58, I didn't think a couple of posts on X48 vs P45 would be too off topic let alone irritating.

As for Grnfinger posting pics of his new Rampage in here, I don't mind in the slightest, I actually thought it was good. We have all been posting in here for the better part of a year now, and as such I feel we are somewhat like friends; you guy's posts are the ones I see the most and your thoughts and opinions are the ones I hear the most. I wouldn't banish a mate from my house for telling me he got a new piece of hardware, and likewise I won't banish a mate from this thread for doing the same thing, in fact I welcome the sharing of information and purchases, whether related directly to the M2F or not; 99% of this thread is 'on topic', the odd digression from that is perfectly fine in my opinion.

Getting back to P45 vs X48, from my experience X48 is always faster than P45 at the same settings, and higher Everest bandwidth & latency scores don't always translate to a faster SPI32M time, just look at the Nvidia 680i chipset for example, great in everest, slow in SPI32M.

EDIT - I edited my post to show everest at the same settings as the SPI32M run. I have mucked around with various combinations of Clock Twister and DRT/SRC but have lost my notes on their effects in terms of SPI32M times at a given setting. DRT and SRC increase bandwidth with minimal effect on latency, and Clock Twister decreases latency the stronger you go but has a minimal effect of bandwidth. I might play around with that when I get some time.

[Ghostleader]

Perhaps I should have provided you with a flame suit with my request.

:rofl: That was a good one, probably you should have done that.

No problems mate, happy to help and share.

I do it again if anyone request a comparison and do get flamed as long as it´s for a good course.

Interesting, to compare those two with each others, specially when they both are Asus board and the bios is not that much different to each others, shouldn´t be the same to compare for example a Asus X48 and a Gigabyte P45 with each others

I had the impression that the P45 was faster then the X48 even though it had lower bandwidth and higher latency then the X48, guess i was wrong.

Have a nice weekend :)

[xoldboyx]

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4380/cachememo.png
what do you think?

[WaterFlex]

xoldboyx
Nope. You should clock to 1200Mhz if you want to use CAS5.
If you want 1:1, try to set CAS4.

[Ghostleader]

@xoldboyx

Looks a bit off but not much.

How is your

DRAM Static Read Control
Dram Read Training
MEM OC Charger
Ai Clock Twister
Transaction Booster,Common Performance Level

set and which strap do you run?

Also a screenie of a Memset would be nice.

[LennyRhys]

I'm very tempted to get this motherboard... I just got a P5Q-E and the lack of sensors on the motherboard is sorely disappointing. The only voltage value I can view in windows is vcore :mad: don't get important voltages like DIMM, NB, SB, VTT :(

I know that the MF2 is regarded by many as "too expensive" for its raw performance, but dayum it's the best looking mobo I've ever seen in my life :eek:

[In-Fluence]

Back again! Managed to get the board fitted & chugging along nicely after some careful removal of the giant heatsink layout, installation of the NB block, and some copper on the remaining important parts. Temps are so much lower on this than my P5B it's unreal, and it's nice to get similar stability on lower volts too! It now makes me think I've got a better Q6600 than I originally thought, but this board is a bit of a beast, and it's bringing me back to the days of my DFI NF4-SLI-DR Expert (or whatever it was :) which I spent a looong time tweaking!

Anyway, I digress - after going through Simp's superbly written guide, I have at least started to mke some headway veering towards the 3.8GHz mark using 418x9 with memory on the 400 divider (running 1179MHz MT stable), although I do have a couple of questions about the methods for testing..


When you say 'prime unstable' I'm going by the point at which the computer just restarts. I'm almost assuming this is wrong, as I clearly wouldn't be able to make note of the time a test failed, (yes, I've been sitting there waiting for reboots). I got as far as the 2nd point in the guide before I thought I should ask before I possibly waste what little time I have! Results to seem reasonably consistent, but I fear could be a result of my power temp going too high is ~60°C too much? And could this represent the
mosfet temps? Should I be trying to aim for rounding errors?

One thing that raised my attention was the fact that the standard blend test goes from a high mem/nb test (1024k) straight to a high CPU stress (8k). Would it not be better to try and run more relevant tests when testing the results of certain settings? i.e. when adjusting CPU GTLs, running small fft tests to test CPU stability, and when adjusting NB GTLs/RAM skews, go for higher ones to test NB & RAM? Perhaps blends would be better suited to the CPU/NB delays?

Using the voltages Simp provides at the beginning of the guide, and my own ideal 24-hour vcore & vdimm values, I get reboots as mentioned before. Would starting from a lower clock and slightly undervolting to try & provoke rounding errors be better? The guide says I can adjust the FSB later on, but I'm wondering if any dramatic change would just mean I would have to re-tune everything again?



Sorry for the rant guys, I just wanna get this right and determine if I'm missing something silly, or if a certain component might be letting me down!

[eSp!s0]

That`s what I got, but couldn`t get 550FSB primestable so far.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cachememmiifbios210450embv.png (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cachememmiifbios210450embv.png)http://www.abload.de/thumb/cachememmiifbios1901mo0nkx.png (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cachememmiifbios1901mo0nkx.png)http://www.abload.de/thumb/cachemem1901evo550x6112vm2.png (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cachemem1901evo550x6112vm2.png)

[humeyboy]

I'm very tempted to get this motherboard... I just got a P5Q-E and the lack of sensors on the motherboard is sorely disappointing. The only voltage value I can view in windows is vcore :mad: don't get important voltages like DIMM, NB, SB, VTT :(

I know that the MF2 is regarded by many as "too expensive" for its raw performance, but dayum it's the best looking mobo I've ever seen in my life :eek:

DON'T.

Buy the Gigabyte, this Mobo is crap for Quad's.

I have just swapped my E8600 for a Q9650 and cannot even get 450FSB 100% stable.

CPU does 3GHZ with 1.03v which proves the VID is a lot of crap as mines is 1.275v (high) this is Primed Stable/Vantage etc).

For now I'm at 9x400 with all lowest Mobo voltages, but I cannot get 450 stable so far and 500FSB will not even boot into Windows no matter how much voltage etc.

Mobo is a Rev A2, doubt the Rev A3 NB helps that much, Asus sure have made a boob here.

[Grnfinger]

I'm very tempted to get this motherboard... I just got a P5Q-E and the lack of sensors on the motherboard is sorely disappointing. The only voltage value I can view in windows is vcore :mad: don't get important voltages like DIMM, NB, SB, VTT :(

I know that the MF2 is regarded by many as "too expensive" for its raw performance, but dayum it's the best looking mobo I've ever seen in my life :eek:

While others struggle with the board, its actually not a bad board, OC'ing quads is a little harder than dualies, it requires alot of tweaking its very fussy on settings, too much or too little and it will spit in your face while laughing at you.
If the bios ever matures the board will truely shine, comparing an X38 Maximus and a X48 Rampage the board hangs in ther very well....Lotta UD3P fanbois out there, yeah it oc's quads very well but it comes with a price

I've tested 4 chips ( all quads) and have 2 Maximus II Formula boards all chips and both boards will do 500FSB


DON'T.

Buy the Gigabyte, this Mobo is crap for Quad's.

I have just swapped my E8600 for a Q9650 and cannot even get 450FSB 100% stable.

CPU does 3GHZ with 1.03v which proves the VID is a lot of crap as mines is 1.275v (high) this is Primed Stable/Vantage etc).

For now I'm at 9x400 with all lowest Mobo voltages, but I cannot get 450 stable so far and 500FSB will not even boot into Windows no matter how much voltage etc.

Mobo is a Rev A2, doubt the Rev A3 NB helps that much, Asus sure have made a boob here.

We have same board same chip your ram is different but the timings are the same, start with 4GBs and try this...it should help point you in the right direction

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 467
CPU Clock Skew : Delay 100ps
North Bridge Clock Skew : Delay 100ps
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1121
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 103

CPU Voltage : 1.325
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.59275
FSBT : 1.37825
DRAM Voltage : 1.9
North Bridge Voltage : 1.4108
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.55300
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.20600

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : -45mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : -45mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/IBT_4200_10loop.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/Q9650_4200GHZ_prime_Stable.jpg

[LennyRhys]

UD3P is a great board but so is the MF2... the very first time I saw the MF2 I thought "I will own this motherboard one day, even if it kills me"

It's just one of these things *that you never tell people about* :D

There is only one problem...it seems that every retailer in the UK has 0 boards in stock :mad:

[In-Fluence]

Specialtech have them, it's where I got mine, and it came unopened, with all the protective stickers in place, basically, definitely unused :)
http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=6259&cat=903&page=1

Pretty good price too :)

Anybody care to help me re: my previous post re: Simp's guide? (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3572470&postcount=2718)

[Grnfinger]

Back again! Managed to get the board fitted & chugging along nicely after some careful removal of the giant heatsink layout, installation of the NB block, and some copper on the remaining important parts. Temps are so much lower on this than my P5B it's unreal, and it's nice to get similar stability on lower volts too! It now makes me think I've got a better Q6600 than I originally thought, but this board is a bit of a beast, and it's bringing me back to the days of my DFI NF4-SLI-DR Expert (or whatever it was :) which I spent a looong time tweaking!

Anyway, I digress - after going through Simp's superbly written guide, I have at least started to mke some headway veering towards the 3.8GHz mark using 418x9 with memory on the 400 divider (running 1179MHz MT stable), although I do have a couple of questions about the methods for testing..


When you say 'prime unstable' I'm going by the point at which the computer just restarts. I'm almost assuming this is wrong, as I clearly wouldn't be able to make note of the time a test failed, (yes, I've been sitting there waiting for reboots). I got as far as the 2nd point in the guide before I thought I should ask before I possibly waste what little time I have! Results to seem reasonably consistent, but I fear could be a result of my power temp going too high is ~60°C too much? And could this represent the
mosfet temps? Should I be trying to aim for rounding errors?

One thing that raised my attention was the fact that the standard blend test goes from a high mem/nb test (1024k) straight to a high CPU stress (8k). Would it not be better to try and run more relevant tests when testing the results of certain settings? i.e. when adjusting CPU GTLs, running small fft tests to test CPU stability, and when adjusting NB GTLs/RAM skews, go for higher ones to test NB & RAM? Perhaps blends would be better suited to the CPU/NB delays?

Using the voltages Simp provides at the beginning of the guide, and my own ideal 24-hour vcore & vdimm values, I get reboots as mentioned before. Would starting from a lower clock and slightly undervolting to try & provoke rounding errors be better? The guide says I can adjust the FSB later on, but I'm wondering if any dramatic change would just mean I would have to re-tune everything again?



Sorry for the rant guys, I just wanna get this right and determine if I'm missing something silly, or if a certain component might be letting me down!

Stability
Always start with prime small FFT's this will test teh cpu only....once you get it stable then run blend it will stress the MCH and cpu...rounding errors are a sign of a unstable rig...reboots of course is a very unstable rig.

Temps
60c is ok for your Q6600 dont let it get over 70c for long periods of time

As for Simps guide I read it and tested it out on my second MIIF board, I did not have any higher clocks from my own method...not overly familar with it so perhaps someone else could comment about that.


UD3P is a great board but so is the MF2... the very first time I saw the MF2 I thought "I will own this motherboard one day, even if it kills me"

It's just one of these things *that you never tell people about* :D

There is only one problem...it seems that every retailer in the UK has 0 boards in stock :mad:

I know a Canadian who has a gently used MIIF for sale :D

[In-Fluence]

Thanks Grnfinger - just what I hoped to hear :)

now all I need to do is find an unstable setting that gives only rounding errors - not having a lot of luck so far - I can't help but get reboots after 10 or so minutes of small or large prime tests :( Any hints?

p.s. CPU temps are welll within limits - it was just the power / pwn temp I'm a little concerned about (although re-seating the mosfet sinks seem to have helped a fair bit now).

Thanks again, I'll be sure to post settings once I'm all tuned up :)

[CryptiK]

@ In-Fluence - sounds like you have picked an arbitrary speed and are trying to stabilize things there. The best way is to work your way up, adjusting one thing at a time as you reach a point of instability.

[In-Fluence]

You're quite right Cryptik, I've been trying to run before I can walk!

I was going by my o/c on the P5B-dlx and was just hoping I would be able to get near to that without having to do too much else, although it seems this beast needs to be well and truly tamed, particularly with quads.
I did manage to get around 5hrs prime blend stable after going down to 400FSB a few days back (i stopped the test), but notching up the FSB 1MHz at a time after this only resulted in the usual 10-minute reboots. It's the timing that gets me, reboots seem to happen within 3-15 mins of each test..makes me think something might be overheating :(

I'm also getting a few hung POSTS, along with 'DET_DRAM' and 'POWER_OFF' messages on the LCD occasionally too. I hear this might be related to a bad bios flash, so I'm going to attempt a reflash in proper DOS mode tonight.

Failing all that, I'll test at stock speeds again, and if that fails, it might be an RMA...I'm beginning to grow a tad suspicious of this board, even though I have some sentiment towards Asus products! :)

Thanks for the help already though, hopefully I'll make some good headway tonight... Wish me luck!

[CryptiK]

You're quite right Cryptik, I've been trying to run before I can walk!

I was going by my o/c on the P5B-dlx and was just hoping I would be able to get near to that without having to do too much else, although it seems this beast needs to be well and truly tamed, particularly with quads.
I did manage to get around 5hrs prime blend stable after going down to 400FSB a few days back (i stopped the test), but notching up the FSB 1MHz at a time after this only resulted in the usual 10-minute reboots. It's the timing that gets me, reboots seem to happen within 3-15 mins of each test..makes me think something might be overheating :(

I'm also getting a few hung POSTS, along with 'DET_DRAM' and 'POWER_OFF' messages on the LCD occasionally too. I hear this might be related to a bad bios flash, so I'm going to attempt a reflash in proper DOS mode tonight.

Failing all that, I'll test at stock speeds again, and if that fails, it might be an RMA...I'm beginning to grow a tad suspicious of this board, even though I have some sentiment towards Asus products! :)

Thanks for the help already though, hopefully I'll make some good headway tonight... Wish me luck!

Use a template and fill out your complete BIOS settings, we can go from there. You should easily be able to get 450 FSB stable with the Quad. It's 450 - 500 FSB where it seems to be hard to stabilize.

At what speed/vcore/Vtt were you running that CPU stable at on the P5B-Dlx?

Check your temps when it's crashing - is anything overheating? I have had PWM temps in the 50's and NB temps in the 60's without it causing errors, so they can take a bit of heat, but lower temps are always better than higher ones. Some boards may be more heat sensitive than others though.

Personally I think you may benefit from leaving your chip at 6x multi, and clocking up the FSB gradually so you can focus mainly on the board and ram. Then bring the cpu back into play with a higher multi once you have a given FSB/ram speed stabilized. Leave everything at default voltage (but set them manually of course) except vNB for which you can set ~1.30v. Since you know you can get 400 FSB stable start there. Work your way up and when it becomes unstable, tweak things one at a time until you find what the limiting parameter is. Then move up again etc.

Your PSU could also be causing instability over a certain power draw, I have never heard of that brand you use but if all else fails perhaps it would be worth borrowing one off a mate to test the theory.

Interesting your board is an A3 rev. chipset, first M2F I have heard of with one.

[In-Fluence]

Will do, was busy rebuilding it last night just so I could re-seat the mosfet sinks and rule out them overheating, I have improved on the NB temps too which don't hit 50 now. (I thought it'd be lower with a swiftech block on it) :/

Anyway, here's a snapshot of it testing at 400x9 with temps, volts and chipset info:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/Testing.jpg

I'll get on with testing FSB at lunch or after work. PSU does have a few years of use although it was pretty well rated back then, one of the first 'unofficial' SLI PSUs which was running everything I have now plus one more 8600GT - and it weighs quite a bit which I know is often a good sign :)

[LennyRhys]

How safe is it to remove chipset cooling on the M2F? I did it with my 680i board and replaced the thermal gunk with my Zalman paste and it made a world of difference, so I plan on doing the same thing to my Maximus...as long as removing the heatsinks won't damage the nekid chipset. :D

[WhiteFireDragon]

nope, won't damage it. it's actually advised that you redo the TIM. once you take off the heatsink assmebly (it's only one big piece btw!), you'll notice how horrible they apply the paste on some boards.

[LennyRhys]

Ah ok cool - provided my board arrives tomorrow I'll get busy with a screwdriver and my cherished Zalman TIM, the best I've ever used. My evga 680i TIM was like a ball of play-doh, can't imagine I'll ever see worse than that lol. :D

[In-Fluence]

Think I sussed out what was going on. The VTT & Northbridge voltage difference bug seems to be coming into play bigtime here, I'm yet to find out the details, but I think the acceptable gap for me is something like 0.05 - 0.07v. Working within this limit isn't giving me any reboots now :)

I've now managed to save an OC profile that is 2hr small FFT stable at 450, so I'm just nudging up the FSB until I find the limit.
Currently testing at 454x6 now though, and seems to be going ok after 30 mins, NB@47°C on 1.3v, and VTT on 1.25v, power temp looming around 58°C... still having trouble finding a consistent rounding error point though.:shrug:

Man this is a quirky board with this quad, I set the FSB to 452x6 and it kept booting at 448x6!

Once I do get there I'll post settings up - eveything's now starting to behave as I thought it should :)

[In-Fluence]

Decided to put the heatpipe assembly back on with my swiftech block, and temps seem to be going down a lot on the SB and a little on the PLL although the NB is a few degrees higher without the direct waterblock contact, but not really suffering too much. 454x6 seemed to test well for 3 hours or so, but it crapped out on 457..

I got a bit sidetracked too, and went for a couple of suicide runs at 4GHz+:

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/M2F4GHz32M.jpg

And the highest I dare go, but crashed during 32M:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/M2F4087GHz10901M.jpg

I know these speeds aren't anywhere near stable but it's nice to see that my CPU could do it :)

Anyway, I'm getting back to finding my highest stable o/c, but still not having a great deal of luck avoiding the inconsistent stability. It appears to be small fft stable for a few hours, then after rebooting with the same settings and testing again, it's not! Either way, I'm convinced the board is actually ok, and it's just those voltages that are awry. I've got bios 1901 & 1204 onboard, but am contemplating 1307 - think it's worth it?

Here are my maximum stable FSB settings, any hints on going higher will be gladly taken on board :)


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 454
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
North Bridge Clock Skew : Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1091
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Auto
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Auto
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Auto


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 5
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 7

Write to PRE Delay : 13
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.4
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.55300
FSBT : 1.25900
DRAM Voltage : 1.215
North Bridge Voltage : 1.29875
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.50000
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.10000

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[Grnfinger]

1307 is a decent bios bios 1901 is very good, I found that 1204 was a real dog for my setup and quickly got rid of it.
If your passing small ffts what prime blend test are you failing 1024 --896 --- 768 ????
Try playing with clock skews they help a lot for higher FSB clocks

[In-Fluence]

Wow, that was actually a pretty golden hint in my case, thanks dude! I've tested the CPU/NB clock skews from auto and have moved up to 100/300ps delays which seem to be the most stable by far whilst running 467x6 I'm 30mins small fft stable so far (which I couldn't even boot at before). Can these delays remain the same at any FSB speed once tuned? Going up to around 490 fsb before always resulted in 2 cores getting disabled, could these skews be responsible for this? I guess I'll have to try & see for myself!

I haven't got around to doing the blend tests just yet, as I'm still trying to find my max CPU FSB which has now just got a big boost. Once I get there, I'll start pushing the memory & NB and doing the more relevant Blend tests.

Sorry I have so many questions, I've been a keen O/cer for a few years now and although I'm patient, I'm eager to get this thing running optimally without wasting too much time.

Thanks for the tips so far :)

[Grnfinger]

properly tuned GTL's and Skews are the secret to this board, I leave my skews set at teh same values for 467FSB and 500FSB, testing each is a long process but well worth the effort in the end... looking forward to your results

[In-Fluence]

Will be certain to post results, thanks for your input. I think the order in which I was trying to do things (i.e. as with simp's guide) might have been hindering me whilst trying to get over 460. The current CPU/NB skews have clearly allowed me to up the FSB significantly.

Still having trouble getting over 470 though - it seems like a die is getting disabled. It boots & primes ok at 500 on the 2 cores for a few mins with memory at 1200. I'm suspecting the GTL refs, but I've tried a few now to no avail, along with high & low voltages on vcore, vtt, nb, pll in several combinations (and a couple of 'known' NB GTLs that helped me in the past). The moment I go back to 470, it picks up all 4 cores again:shrug:

I think I'll find the FSB point at which it boots with 2 cores and see if helps to make any changes from there, but once again, I'm open to suggestions :D

[eSp!s0]

Just started to test for minimal voltages with my E8400 @ 533x7,5, ram 1:1 (333Strap).
:wave:
Alreay finished VNB and need 1,285V for 533Fsb 1:1 (1,179VNB for 500Fsb 1:1, 333Strap too) :eek:

[Grnfinger]

nice I need at least 1.41vNB for stability with my quad running 12:10 1121MHz with
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

[LennyRhys]

Got my MF2 today, I bought it as new but it came in a box with an RMA sticker (typical ebay) but it seems to work fine. I won't be overclocking with it until my Q9650 arrives. :yepp:

[eSp!s0]

nice I need at least 1.41vNB for stability with my quad running 12:10 1121MHz with
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

I use:
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Dram Read Training : Enabled
MEM OC Charger : Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10]
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cachememmiifbios1901mo0nkx.png (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=cachememmiifbios1901mo0nkx.png)

[Grnfinger]

Nice bandwidth scores

[In-Fluence]

Ok, after countless tweaks, reboots, CMOS clears and so on, I've finally managed to get to grips with the board. I'm now at the point where I've properly tuned the GTLs, (+40,0,+40,0) and clocked to the highest speed I can (and tuned the memory a little), and was pleasantly surprised to wake up and find it still testing :)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z182/in-fluence/36GHz1200smllfftStable.jpg

As you can see, the temps are at the absolute limit (it shuts off when CPU reaches 75°C), but considering temps in my flat are ranging from 28-35°C at the moment, I don't think I'm doing too bad! Hopefully after tuning the NB GTL and clock skews I'll either be able to drop vcore or raise FSB a fair bit.
I'm guessing that an IBT run will probably raise my temps some 10-15°C which isn't really an option in this heat, but I'll get around to it when it decides to cool down, I really don't wanna toast the CPU!

So what do you think of the results so far (particularly for memory)?

After I've done a complete tuneup of all settings at this multi / divider, I'll probably move onto 400x9 and do the same, and compare results :)

[Grnfinger]

:clap:

bandwidth looks decent altho your copy score looks low

[humeyboy]

@ Grnfinger, I'm kinda temp (I hope) stuck @ 475FSB on lowish voltages for now.

Did you state before latest Bios was bad for you and that 1307 and 1901 are better ?

Thanks for the info the other day, but until I got NB GTL sorted out I could not even do 425FSB stable no matter what.

I could boot into Windows at 490FSB with high voltages though but now its all stable at 475FSB mainly due to the NB GTL.

I found out my set up needs Positive values on the NB (Minus wont boot at current clocks) so set the CPU GTL's to Positive also (seemed ok at Minus but I assume best to keep in line with NB.

[In-Fluence]

Cheers, I'll get to work on detailed timings & stuff after I get a few more of the other setings tuned. There's definitely a few timings I could drop down by 1 or more which might hopefully bump the speeds up a touch. I'm still testing my NB GTLs at the moment, (seemingly at the same stage as Humeyboy:) seems like negative ones are working better for me. I've done all the way up to +80 with +20 being the best one, that is until I went negative, so far -15 has more than doubled stability time for me, but still plenty to go!
Humeyboy - I think you should stick with the positive CPU GTLs you had in the 1st place. I'm no expert on this level of o/cing, but I'm pretty certain adjusting them to match your NB isn't the way to go. I'm finding that sticking with my tuned CPU GTLs (which are +40,0,+40,0) prevented reboots, and has given me consistent results when moving on to tune up the NB GTL. Of course it might be a completely different story with your 45nm chip...just my 2p :) Good luck with it!

[LennyRhys]

My PC is empty at the moment since I'm waiting for my Q9650 to arrive so I took the opportunity to remove the motherboard heatsink and replace the crap that ASUS put on with my Zalman thermal paste. I was getting NB/SB temps of 45-48C with everything at stock so hopefully that'll improve. What sort of chipset temps are you guys getting, particularly those of you who have replaced the TIM with something better?

[Grnfinger]

@ Grnfinger, I'm kinda temp (I hope) stuck @ 475FSB on lowish voltages for now.

Did you state before latest Bios was bad for you and that 1307 and 1901 are better ?

Thanks for the info the other day, but until I got NB GTL sorted out I could not even do 425FSB stable no matter what.

I could boot into Windows at 490FSB with high voltages though but now its all stable at 475FSB mainly due to the NB GTL.

I found out my set up needs Positive values on the NB (Minus wont boot at current clocks) so set the CPU GTL's to Positive also (seemed ok at Minus but I assume best to keep in line with NB.

I found 1901 to be a very good bios, I honestly have not played with NB gtls much maybe I should give it try.
When I first got the board I ran my CPU GTLs at a positive value and it worked for me with a Q9550, then when the GTL calculator came out I went with a negative value and its still stable so I don't know


My PC is empty at the moment since I'm waiting for my Q9650 to arrive so I took the opportunity to remove the motherboard heatsink and replace the crap that ASUS put on with my Zalman thermal paste. I was getting NB/SB temps of 45-48C with everything at stock so hopefully that'll improve. What sort of chipset temps are you guys getting, particularly those of you who have replaced the TIM with something better?

I removed my complete stock cooling and replaced TIM with AS5, my NB is on water running 1.45vNB and I'm sitting at a cool 37c idle, single loop with a Q9650/4870X2/NB 120.3 rad

[humeyboy]

Yea minus or positive on CPU GTL's is kind of the same for me but not for the NB, its currently +40 (worked out on calc, -40 will not even post).

I will try CPU all -40 and NB +40 (they are same since both 45nm and I have voltages the same for VTT and NB.

[Ghostleader]

With all my LGA 775 board I need diffrent NB GTL depends on if I run dual or quad (45nm).

With a quad I need something between auto and +80, I can be stable with LinX and Prime95 blend but Crysis fail, Crysis need between +60 and +80 to be happy and I´m stable with all three around the same.

With a dual I need something between auto and -60

Of course above is depended on which bus speed and VTT value, with a quad is like higher bus speed and higher VTT volt, more at the +, with a dual it´s the other way around.

[Grnfinger]

Yea minus or positive on CPU GTL's is kind of the same for me but not for the NB, its currently +40 (worked out on calc, -40 will not even post).

I will try CPU all -40 and NB +40 (they are same since both 45nm and I have voltages the same for VTT and NB.

Please share your results, I'm interested in testing out NB gtl's, I'm going to power up the MIIF this weekend

[humeyboy]

Well it wont boot with 475FSB with the CPU GTL's @ -40 with the NB GTL @ +40.

I thought I had 480 FSB today but it froze, seem many get stuck at about 475 FSB on Quads.

I am on the latest (not necessary the best) Bios though, I may try 1307 and 1901 and then contact Asus and try get some support.

I ain't 100% sure if my settings are the best/lowest they can be but I'm 100% stable at 475FSB with 8GB.

Where do I get a blank template ? (I need print it out to fill in info while in Bios).

[CryptiK]

Just copy and paste a filled out template into Microsoft Word and erase all the values, then print that out.

[humeyboy]

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting: N/A (only testing FSB not MHZ)
FSB Frequency: 475
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 950Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Info: 5-5-5-15
2nd Info: Auto
3rd Info: Auto

(Tried 55 tRFC, but its 52 Default and makes no difference as ram is still under its stock 1066mhz)

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate (May try Stronger later)
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10] (May try 8 later)

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100/101/103 (testing all possibly even 105)

CPU Voltage: 1.1840 (set higher to test FSB not MHZ)
CPU PLL Voltage:1.55 (will help lower VCore later)
FSB Termination Voltage:1.27225 (1.26 Real)
DRAM Voltage: 1.99875 (Asus lights LED Amber at 2.0v)
North Bridge Voltage:1.27225 (1.26 Real)
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.5
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.1

CPU GTL Reference (0): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +40mv
NB GTL Reference: +40mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration: LLC Enabled/All rest disabled

[CryptiK]

Try this:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting: N/A (only testing FSB not MHZ)
FSB Frequency: 475
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333MHz
DRAM Frequency: 950Mhz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Info: 5-5-5-15
2nd Info: Auto
3rd Info: Auto

(Tried 55 tRFC, but its 52 Default and makes no difference as ram is still under its stock 1066mhz)

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate - also try light and lighter as you want to take the stress off the NB to test
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [10] (May try 8 later)

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100/101/103 (testing all possibly even 105)

CPU Voltage: 1.1840 (set higher to test FSB not MHZ)
CPU PLL Voltage:1.55 (will help lower VCore later)
FSB Termination Voltage:1.27225 (1.26 Real)
DRAM Voltage: 1.99875 (Asus lights LED Amber at 2.0v)
North Bridge Voltage:1.35 - 1.45v - this will probably need to be in this range rather than the 1.26v range
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.5
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.1

CPU GTL Reference (0): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +40mv
NB GTL Reference: +40mv ** try -70mv up to +70mv most people seem to find a sweet spot in that range, my setup prefers negative values**
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration: LLC Enabled/All rest disabled

[humeyboy]

Thanks but I'm 100% stable with my above settings at 475mhz.

Its trying to get above this that's an issue, I have tried more voltage but it does not help, must need mess with some other settings or try older Bios.

NB will not let PC even post the Bios with -settings above speeds.

[Ghostleader]

CPU GTL Reference (0): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +40mv


Hmmm, a bit strange that you guys get that to work, I thought that around this worked for a 45nm dual

CPU GTL Reference (0): +40mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): auto

and around this for a 45nm quad

CPU GTL Reference (0): auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -40mv

and I thought that default value is this

CPU GTL Reference (0): 0,635
CPU GTL Reference (1): 0,667
CPU GTL Reference (2): 0,635
CPU GTL Reference (3): 0,667

[CryptiK]

Thanks but I'm 100% stable with my above settings at 475mhz.

Its trying to get above this that's an issue, I have tried more voltage but it does not help, must need mess with some other settings or try older Bios.

NB will not let PC even post the Bios with -settings above speeds.

I understood you are stable at 475 FSB, I meant when you go for 475 - 500 FSB, they are the settings you will most likely need to alter. vNB will especially need to be adjusted as you are also running 8GB ram.

[kamieldehond]

im trying to get 4x1gb D9GMH stable on this bord. Atm i have it at 562.5MHz with a divider of 4:5, but i want them at 600+ MHz. Anybody here has 4 ram sticks running at 600+ here on this board?

If so what are your settings?

[In-Fluence]

Increasing the TRFC memory timing is supposed to help a lot with 4 sticks, have you tried vaues over 50?

[kamieldehond]

Increasing the TRFC memory timing is supposed to help a lot with 4 sticks, have you tried vaues over 50?

havent tried that yet. will try it when im done rebuilding my pc :)

thx for the advice

[Grnfinger]

Just setup the MIIF ran a quick run using Humeyboy's NB GTL settings, will test more today, NB GTL's seem to play a huge roll in high FSB Stability

471x9 1130MHz Ram

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/Stable_471FSB-1.png

Bios 1901

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 471
CPU Clock Skew : Delay 100ps
North Bridge Clock Skew : Delay 100ps
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1131
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 103

CPU Voltage : 1.325
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.59275
FSBT : 1.37825
DRAM Voltage : 1.9
North Bridge Voltage : 1.4108
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.55300
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.20600

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : -45mv
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : -45mv
North Bridge GTL Reference : +40mv
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[humeyboy]

My NB GTL ain't +40 just by luck, its due to me doing the same calculation as you do for CPU GTL's, its a 45nm Chipset so same formula applies

I think at 1.4108v NB your NB GTL would work out more than +40 (Will it even post at -40 ?)

Seems a tad higher volts esp as not 1:1 but that could be as your on Stronger and 8.

Also for now (not perm) lower to Moderate and 10 to see if you can get more FSB and try it on 1:1

[Grnfinger]

I'm fine tuning settings now, +40 was a base to start cause of your template....
looking for 475 to 480

Have not tried a negative NB GTL value yet, will test this later today and see if it will post

[CryptiK]

My NB GTL ain't +40 just by luck, its due to me doing the same calculation as you do for CPU GTL's, its s 45nm Chipset so same formula applies

I think at 1.4108v NB your NB GTL would work out more than +40 (Will it even post at -40 ?)

Seems a tad higher volts esp as not 1:1 but that could be as your on Stronger and 8.

Also for now (not perm) lower to Moderate and 10 to see if you can get more FSB and try it on 1:1

Calculating it will give you a ballpark and a starting point. However experimentation will show the best GTL setting for and particular FSB, divider, and other hardware combination.

[Grnfinger]

Negative NB GTL's will allow my rig to post untill I go below -30 anything lower will not post.....

475x9 @ 1140MHz ram the chip is stable but the ram craps out on IBT guess thats the max for my GSkill 8800 kit, testing my other kits of ram currently
Adjusting NB GTL's from +40 all the way to +80 has no effect on stability at 475FSB setting to +30 and IBT fails


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/475FSB_test1.png

[kwalker]

Nice clocks with that 9650 and decent bandwith :cool:

My 9550 settings for 24/7 are with gtl's at auto.
there are a few settings a tad on the high side.... pll, northbridge ,and vtt but Its what I found most reliable running VMserver with two Ubuntu installs folding non stop.
I can do anything I need or want except playing Crysis at the same time :D
The settings haven't changed for 7 months except 8 gig of gskills @ 1100/1.85 volts. and I haven't smoked a component as of yet

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa283/kwalker50/07-04-2009_11-39-32.png

[DonNiger]

Sorry for asking but there are150 pages .....
Is it a good board for OC? For dual and quad cores. Is it better than TPower for duals?

[Grnfinger]

very good board for dual core CPU, quads are harder to overclock on this board
cant comment on TPower board cause I dont own one but I think most boards are better than the TPower