ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[andressergio]

andressergio,

I am a bit confused.
I see on your last pic, that you are using this settings:

CPU GTL's: 10 -35 10 -35
NB GTL: +30
vFSB: 1.37825
vSB1.1 - 1.20600
vSB1.5 - 1.55300

But I don't get if you are better with them or not. Is your overclock more stable with them? Are you passing stress tests that you couldn't before, with this settings? Or are they worst that your previously settings?

I look at your pic (before you change your settings to this lastest one), and you too, were passing the same IBT test... So no improvements? Here are both pics I have from you.
My conclusion is that you didn't improve... You got the same result, with different settings..

[]'s
Simps

Sorry mate if i confused you...

Yes i passed IBT with a 2850Mb problem size custom test but an hour later gave my BSOD instant when i tried to re run it, tested today and again wont' pass...So i decided to try most of your settings for 500FSB and passed again, in a few hours will try again to see if it keeps going strong and also test using x9 multi

You uderstood now ?

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my first settings where (first pic)
passed IBT yesterday and today BSOD in seconds...

4105 (483x8,5)
2x2GB Gskill 1200 PL10 Moderate vdimm 2,1

CPU Skew: Delay 200
NB Skew: Delay 100
DRAM Skews: Delay 50
CPU GTL's: +10 -35 +10 -35
NB GTL: +40
CHA / CHB Reference: Auto
NB DDR Reference: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC CHARGER: Enabled
PULLINS: Disabled
PCI-E Frequency: 100
vPLL: 1.55
vFSB: 1.35
vNB: 1.45775
vSB1.5: 1.5
vSB1.1: 1.1
CPU Configuration: All disabled
Load line calibration: Enabled
CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disbaled
vcore set 1,35 idle 1,336

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my new settings (second pic)
will try with this one later to see if it's still strong

4105 (483x8,5)
2x2GB Gskill 1200 PL8 Moderate vdimm 2,1

CPU Skew: Delay 200
NB Skew: Delay 100
DRAM Skews: Delay 50
CPU GTL's: +10 -35 +10 -35
NB GTL: +30
CHA / CHB Reference: +12.5
NB DDR Reference: -25
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM OC CHARGER: Enabled
PULLINS: Disabled
PCI-E Frequency: 100
vPLL: 1.55
vFSB: 1.37825
vNB: 1.45775
vSB1.5: 1.55300
vSB1.1: 1.20600
CPU Configuration: All disabled
Load line calibration: Enabled
CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum: Disbaled
vcore set 1,35 idle 1,336

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[Simps]

Now I got it :)
Ok, I hope you can pass the test again in a few hours, with no errors, which will be an improvement over your old settings.
You said you got BSOD, with the old settings. This could be related to Vdimm. Since you didn't raise your Vdimm for the new test, there is a chance that the problem will happen again. But who knows, maybe it won't. Only way to know is trying it.
Waiting on your results.

[andressergio]

Now I got it :)
Ok, I hope you can pass the test again in a few hours, with no errors.
Waiting on your results.

Thank you mate let's hope so :up:

[Simps]

Thank you mate let's hope so :up:

If it fails, try the same thing, but replace 5-5-5-15 with 5-5-5-18. Might help.

[andressergio]

If it fails, try the same thing, but replace 5-5-5-15 with 5-5-5-18. Might help.

:( just re run it and failed in seconds

this time the BSOD reads "a clock interrupt was not received in a secondary processor"

the other BSOD i was getting say "hardware malfunction...."

[andressergio]

Just went back to VTT 1,3525 and passed IBT again...weird huh ? at least it passed again, i ONLY changed VTT the rest exact the same

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/185/4105483x85mems451207pl8dm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4105483x85mems451207pl8dm9.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img107/4105483x85mems451207pl8dm9.jpg/1/)

[Simps]

Look, what we are doing here, is what everybody seem to be doing with this board. We are randomly changing values, trying to "magically" find the right one. This is not the way to work with this board. That is why I wrote that guide. But to follow it, you will have to start from zero, and fine tune everything again. It is hard work, but that is the way to find the sweet spot.

But anyway, stop changing the settings like crazy, or you will never find what is holding you back.
Keep your current bios setting, and now only work on the RAM, to find if the problems is there.

It looks like, it is probably your ram that can't handle DDR2-1200 PL8 at 2.1v, on your FSB.
You need to know this for sure. Do one of the following without changing your settings:

1) Raise your Vdimm to 2.2 and test again.
2) If you don't wanna raise Vdimm, then just downgrade your ram from DDR2-1200+ to DDR2-1000 or something like that, keeping all the other settings as it is, and test again.

If you get no more BSOD, then the problem was your RAM needing more volts for sure.
Report results.

[]'s
Simps

[andressergio]

Look, what we are doing here, is what everybody seem to be doing with this board. We are randomly changing values, trying to "magically" find the right one. This is not the way to work with this board. That is why I wrote that guide. But to follow it, you will have to start from zero, and fine tune everything again. It is hard work, but that is the way to find the sweet spot.

But anyway, stop changing the settings like crazy, or you will never find what is holding you back.
Keep your current bios setting, and now only work on the RAM, to find if the problems is there.

It looks like, it is probably your ram that can't handle DDR2-1200 PL8 at 2.1v, on your FSB.
You need to know this for sure. Do one of the following without changing your settings:

1) Raise your Vdimm to 2.2 and test again.
2) If you don't wanna raise Vdimm, then just downgrade your ram from DDR2-1200+ to DDR2-1000 or something like that, keeping all the other settings as it is, and test again.

If you get no more BSOD, then the problem was your RAM needing more volts for sure.
Report results.

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Simps

LOL yes Simps i never do that but i entered on that phase that everything seems random...

What i did was memtest on this FSB and error appeared after 375% so the probelm can be what you say just RAM, will try on 2,15 vdimm and let you know

Thanks !!
Saludos :up:
Sergio

[andressergio]

Simps

I upped vdimm to 2,15 and passed perfect 1090% memtest, so i guess that mems failing after 375% was the problem, will see tomorrow when i run IBT again

They need 2,05 on multi x9 at 450FSB 1200 PL7 stronger

but need 2,1+ on multi 8,5 at 480+ FSB 1200+ PL8 moderate

will keep testing

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2733/4105483x85mems451207pl8ee1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4105483x85mems451207pl8ee1.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img522/4105483x85mems451207pl8ee1.jpg/1/)

[CryptiK]

Perhaps also alter the NB GTL Ref value - drop the vNB until you get errors in less than 100% coverage in memtest - adjust NB GTL Ref from -100mv to +100mv. When you find the setting that gives you the longest time before an error occurs, use that setting. You may find it's close to what you have set now, but at least you will know for sure it's the right setting.

NB GTL Ref was critical in gaining complete stability for me, and adding vNB did not help at all. Now the NB GTL Ref is properly adjusted, it's stable at 1.30 vNB, whereas before when it was not correctly set, I was unstable even at 1.45 vNB. It makes a huge difference.

For any given FSB you need to be sure you have tuned the NB GTL Ref correctly.

[CryptiK]

I picked up a new CPU, I needed greater flexibility for benching, and a little more speed 24/7 will also be nice. It's a Q829A, supposedly a decent batch. After about 5 hours idling at stock speed and 1.08v, and half an hour or so of orthos, i started working my way up. It passed 2 hours of orthos and 5 runs of IBT (max stress) at 4005 MHz @ 1.197v. I'm still slowly raising the clocks.

So far it's looking pretty good, passed an hour of small FFT's at 4104 MHz, 1.237v:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/1hourorthos41GHz1237v.jpg

New PB 3D Mark 06 with 8800GT:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/3dmark0641GHz1237v756-1836-950.jpg

[radaja]

looks like you got a good one there cryptik. should run cool too,vid 1.25. my e8400 EO with vid of 1.23 runs pretty hot,but my e8500 with vid of 1.25 runs cool

[CryptiK]

Well the volts are still low but it seems hotter than my C0 E8400 which is a 1.225 VID, but compared to other E0's I've seen, it is running pretty cool.

[andressergio]

I picked up a new CPU, I needed greater flexibility for benching, and a little more speed 24/7 will also be nice. It's a Q829A, supposedly a decent batch. After about 5 hours idling at stock speed and 1.08v, and half an hour or so of orthos, i started working my way up. It passed 2 hours of orthos and 5 runs of IBT (max stress) at 4005 MHz @ 1.197v. I'm still slowly raising the clocks.

So far it's looking pretty good, passed an hour of small FFT's at 4104 MHz, 1.237v:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/1hourorthos41GHz1237v.jpg

New PB 3D Mark 06 with 8800GT:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/3dmark0641GHz1237v756-1836-950.jpg

Congrats CryptiK !!

[andressergio]

Simps

As promised i re tested today and BSOD after first IBT test...:(

Mems are on 2,15 vdimm and passed 1000% memtest so now memory can't be

Cheers
Sergio

[CryptiK]

Cheers mate I'm working on 4.2GHz at the moment should be doable at around 1.263v but may need one more notch. I haven't fine tuned the GTL Refs yet either.

Concerning your issue - what happens if you set PL to 13 and leave everything else the same? This should take a lot of strain off the NB and if it passes IBT repeatedly, may indicate that was the issue. Have you determined the best NB GTL Ref setting? This may also be affecting it.

[Simps]

CryptiK,

Congrats on the new CPU. It looks good, maybe a 4.3 - 4.4GHz for 24/7 doable there. 4.2GHz is for sure, possible with reasonable volts / temps.



Simps

As promised i re tested today and BSOD after first IBT test...:(

Mems are on 2,15 vdimm and passed 1000% memtest so now memory can't be

Cheers
Sergio

Man, then I really have no idea why are you having thoses crashes.
If your mem is not the problem, and you are at 1.45vNB so the NB is not the problem too. Your VCC and VTT are fine too. PLL too. You are not a very high FSB / CPU clock too (considering your Q9650). You should be stable.

I can only think, that you don't have your Maximus II Formula tunned the right. Probably the values you have for CPU GTL's, NB GTL, Skews, References are not the right ones for you. You just think they are fine, but they are not, and they are holding you back. That is the only thing I can think off. Maybe you should start from zero, and run the tests the proper way to really fine tune your mobo.

[]'s
Simps

[andressergio]

Man, then I really have no idea why are you having thoses crashes.
If your mem is not the problem, and you are at 1.45vNB so the NB is not the problem too. Your VCC and VTT are fine too. PLL too. You are not a very high FSB / CPU clock too (considering your Q9650). You should be stable.

I can only think, that you don't have your Maximus II Formula tunned the right. Probably the values you have for CPU GTL's, NB GTL, Skews, References are not the right ones for you. You just think they are fine, but they are not, and they are holding you back. That is the only thing I can think off. Maybe you should start from zero, and run the tests the proper way to really fine tune your mobo.

[]'s
Simps

Thanks Simps seems so, i started again testing slowly and leaving mems very loose so they don't mess with cpu...Maybe it's true those values are not right for me or maybe is something else i really don't know.

Cheers
Sergio

[Simps]

Maximus II Formula is probably the best non-core i7 board out there for 24/7 usage.

I have been looking at all the other mobo threads, and I have seen no other mobo with so much potential as the MIIF. Once your MIIF is correctly tunned, and you really have your best GTL's, Skews, References votls going on, you can do "miracle" with this board. I have been doing some tests at 490FSB on a quad, and would like to share what I found. This is all 100% stable for 24/7 use.

1) 1.25vNB is what is needed for a quad at 490FSB and DDR2-1178 PL8 STRONGER
2) 1.27vFSB is what is needed to clock a 65nm quad at 490FSB on this board for 24/7 use! 45nm values would be even lower!
3) vPLL, vSB1.1 and vSB1.5 can be at the lowest possible volts the board allows, even at 490FSB on a quad.
4) The board just don't heat up! It is insane that your NB, SB, PWM's are not going to heat up, even at the most extreme clock / volts! Idle to load delta's are arround: NB=5C, SB=3C and PWM=10C

Once you have your Maximus II Formula right configured, you will only need to mess with VCORE and VDIMM to perform overclocks. This board can handle all the other voltages, at default / auto or below default, even at 490FSB on a quad, and PL8 and STRONGER on a DDR2-1178. So if you are using higher vNB, or vSB or vPLL, and probably vFSB (this one is CPU related too), at lower FSB and MEM clocks, then that is a head ups to you, that your MIIF is probably not tunned the right way.

Take a look at the FSB / MEM speed, and the voltages required to do so, all on a 65nm quad!
This is a 6h prime blend and 20 loops IBT on max stress.
Everything, CPU, MOBO, etc, is aircooled inside a closed case.

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6965/lowvolts1fx7.jpg

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/3739/lowvolts2yu1.jpg

I really haven't seen the other P45 boards doing this. And as you can see on the pic, mine is a rev02, just like everybody else.
This can also show, the difference a really well tunned MIIF can make, over a bad tunned board. Volts can be dropped insanaly once the board is on the sweet spot. Also, this board can do 500FSB on quads, and I don't have a dualcore, but I am sure this board would clock 600FSB there if tunned correctly. And it would take less volts to do it, then the other boards for sure.

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Simps

[andressergio]

I tried your settings i was able to boot to vista 64 still didn't test stability but no way to use that NB volts or Stronger for 2x2GB in my case...

This are the values i could boot to vista, didn't try less vcore yet

i'm scared of testing stability lol :p:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5751/3430490x7mems561176pl8mjl8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3430490x7mems561176pl8mjl8.jpg/1/w1144.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img99/3430490x7mems561176pl8mjl8.jpg/1/)

[Simps]

Nice going my friend!
Test the stability there. If it is stable, that might give you some good information about your 8.5 x 483 overclock. If you are stable at 490FSB then there is no reason for you not to be stable on 483FSB, other then lack of vcore for raw speed, or lack of vdimm for ram speed. I don't think this chipset has FSB holes. So if you are stable at 490FSB with that settings, then you might want to try again for 8.5 x 483 overclock, with a bit more vcore to it. Maybe that will do solve your stability issues there. If not, add a bit more of vcore and vdimm, and test again.

I see you are using a vFSB of 1.34v for 490FSB. Was that the lowest or you didn't try to lower it? I really believe you could lower that a lot.

[]'s
Simps

[andressergio]

Nice going my friend!
Test the stability there. If it is stable, that might give you some good information about your 8.5 x 483 overclock. If you are stable at 490FSB then there is no reason for you not to be stable on 483FSB, other then lack of vcore for raw speed, or lack of vdimm for ram speed. I don't think this chipset has FSB holes. So if you are stable at 490FSB with that settings, then you might want to try again for 8.5 x 483 overclock, with a bit more vcore to it. Maybe that will do solve your stability issues there. If not, add a bit more of vcore and vdimm, and test again.

I see you are using a vFSB of 1.34v for 490FSB. Was that the lowest or you didn't try to lower it? I really believe you could lower that a lot.

[]'s
Simps

Hey no it's not stable, i'm re testing all again will post when i have some good and re tested results, for now this has been a hell for me, more than a month and a half and every OC i pass on IBT or prime the other day won't...

Cheers and much thanks for all your help

Sergio

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Maximus II Formula is probably the best non-core i7 board out there for 24/7 usage.

I have been looking at all the other mobo threads, and I have seen no other mobo with so much potential as the MIIF. Once your MIIF is correctly tunned, and you really have your best GTL's, Skews, References votls going on, you can do "miracle" with this board. I have been doing some tests at 490FSB on a quad, and would like to share what I found. This is all 100% stable for 24/7 use.

Perhaps is is a good 24/7 board, but for benching, especially memory OC, it leaves a lot to be desired. My UD3P is kicking its butt all over the place with my D9GMH/D9GKX sticks.

[Grnfinger]

Agreed, decent board but no world records will be set on it thats for sure.
I'm looking for a decent benching board now

[Simps]

I totally agree that for benching, the Maximus II Formula will not be the best choice, and I never said that. We know Biostar P45 is a better bencher, DFI p45 DK is more efficient on superpi, and as you said, those Gigabyte UD3P are showing some nice FSB clocks and mem clocks for benching too. And there are other examples out there.

But as I said before, I am talking about 24/7. About the memory issue, YES, it is true, but, as an example, for a screenshot a 12000mb/s is very different from a 10000mb/s on everest. But on a day to day performance on games or other applications, it means absolutely nothing. Other things are much more important as stability, and low volts for higher solid stable clocks, and more important, SAFFER volts for 24/7 use for years.

Maximus II Formula can keep overclocks, with lower volts then all other boards (I am saying this, because I visit the other board threads, and I can compare), including your UD3P. MIIF 16 phase power do make a difference on vcore and vFSB against the 6 power design of the UD3P, and the 8 - 12 power design of other boards. Mosfets on MIIF will ALWAYS be cooler then on those other boards, and more stable at very high quad clocks and FSB. Maybe it has some problems clocking ram at some point, but that is far beyond a 24/7 use situation anyway.

The thing I don't like much about "showing a screenshot" or just benching for the highest number, is that it makes no sense for me. Everybody would be reaching 550 - 560FSB on quads, for a screenshot, if they were crazy enough to push 1.8 vFSB and 1.75vPLL, like NapalmV5 and others were doing. Everybody would be showing 12.000mb/s on everest, if they would push their 2.1v rated mem to 2.4v or so.
There is no secret. I is just plain simple and easy. Buy the best and expensive hardware, and risk it by pushing crazy volts. You will get some nice numbers and screenshots for sure.

Anyway, I don't have the money, and I never killed a computer part. Not even a single memory stick. I hope I can keep it that way... Except for the money part of course =/

I will quote Leeghoofd on this:

The GB boards have got the A3 rev of the NB and the board pushes way more volts... for 24/7 I prefer the Asus board as I got the same clockspeed with way less NB and FSB term voltage... for benching the Gb might be better... but does that NB get scorching hot...

Don't get me wrong, this is xtremesystems, and to push it is the way to go here. I believe there is space for everybody. For the extreme benchers, and also for the ones only interested in 24/7 operation.

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Simps

[Grnfinger]

I totally agree that for benching, the Maximus II Formula will not be the best choice, and I never said that. We know Biostar P45 is a better bencher, DFI p45 DK is more efficient on superpi, and as you said, those Gigabyte UD3P are showing some nice FSB clocks and mem clocks for benching too. And there are other examples out there.

But as I said before, I am talking about 24/7. About the memory issue, YES, it is true, but, as an example, for a screenshot a 12000mb/s is very different from a 10000mb/s on everest. But on a day to day performance on games or other applications, it means absolutely nothing. Other things are much more important as stability, and low volts for higher solid stable clocks, and more important, SAFFER volts for 24/7 use for years.

Maximus II Formula can keep overclocks, with lower volts then all other boards (I am saying this, because I visit the other board threads, and I can compare), including your UD3P. MIIF 16 phase power do make a difference on vcore and vFSB against the 6 power design of the UD3P, and the 8 - 12 power design of other boards. Mosfets on MIIF will ALWAYS be cooler then on those other boards, and more stable at very high quad clocks. Maybe it has some problems clocking ram at some point, but that is far beyond a 24/7 use situation anyway.

I will quote Leeghoofd on this:


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Simps

No one was arguing your claim:)
I like the MIIF its a solid board but lacking in a mature bios to really show its true potential. There are many boards that will clock chips with low volts the MIIF is not alone in this catagory, DFI will beat this board easy but the bios is what scares ppl off.
You have done a great job here and have made a very valuble contrabution, you should be proud. My wife is reading your guide and will try to overclock my second MIIF board with a Q6700 and then a E8400. It will be interesting to see her results based on your guide.

[Simps]

Wow, I am curious to see what can she achieve with that Q6700. Please give us some feedback on that!

[screwtech02]

I'm about to put my MIIF and Q6600 back together, and use your guide. It oughta be a better combo than this friggin DFI x48 board.... Ugh....:shakes:

[CryptiK]

Been having a bit of fun with the new cpu :)

Sub 11min SPI32M done :D
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/SPI32M44GHz10m55890s.jpg

259K Aquamark done with 8800GT :D
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/AQM44GHz774-1836-950259532.jpg

[radaja]

very nice clocks there cryptik.with very low volts

[chew*]

I'm just gonna hang out and spectate, interested in your wife's results grn, last time my wife played with one of my rigs she smoked my 939 x2 3800 on phase :rofl:

[CryptiK]

very nice clocks there cryptik.with very low volts

Thanks :) It's a decent cpu, nothing that special though unfortunately. I'm still searching for a really nice one. I really want an e8600 it's just a matter of finding a great batch, preferably a Q822A435 so if anyone knows of one that hasn't been really thrashed please let me know.

[andressergio]

:up:
Thanks :) It's a decent cpu, nothing that special though unfortunately. I'm still searching for a really nice one. I really want an e8600 it's just a matter of finding a great batch, preferably a Q822A435 so if anyone knows of one that hasn't been really thrashed please let me know.

Congrats CryptiK !!!

I'm sure you'll find the best one :up:

[Simps]

CryptiK,

Looking good, looks like 4.2GHz or even 4.3GHz very possible on resonable volts for 24/7 with your E8400. From what I have seen, the E8600 would do a 4.5GHz 24/7. No that much improvement, on a dual, you wouldn't notice that difference on 24/7 operation.

Now if you are looking for a cpu to bench, then I would say E8600 would be much better... You would bench @ 4.9GHz aircooled or more with a good chip and with some agressive volts.

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Simps

[brain@voz]

-this is my result on Q9550, based on Simp 'method, I 've just tested 2 hours with Small stress, I will do some more with blend and ITB, thks so much Simp :)
-490x8.5 vcore bios 1.3875, bios 1901

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/3755/4168ac0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[CryptiK]

CryptiK,

Looking good, looks like 4.2GHz or even 4.3GHz very possible on resonable volts for 24/7 with your E8400. From what I have seen, the E8600 would do a 4.5GHz 24/7. No that much improvement, on a dual, you wouldn't notice that difference on 24/7 operation.

Now if you are looking for a cpu to bench, then I would say E8600 would be much better... You would bench @ 4.9GHz aircooled or more with a good chip and with some agressive volts.

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Simps

Yeah the 8600 wouldnt be for the small increase in 24/7 clocks, it would be purely for benching. I can do 4.3 GHz @ 1.272v (cpu-z) 1.268v (pc-probe), and 4.23 GHz @ ~1.23v so it's not a bad cpu. It's better than some e8600's Ive seen too so if I was to get an e8600, I want a good batch or it's not worth it.

Also, I was very impressed with your overclock and the voltages you used to achieve total stability. Really good work. I'm sure a lot of people will benefit from your guide and information; your contribution to this thread has been valuable. Your board is above average mate, not all can do what yours can on those voltages, so don't kill it! :)


-this is my result on Q9550, based on Simp 'method, I 've just tested 2 hours with Small stress, I will do some more with blend and ITB, thks so much Simp :)
-490x8.5 vcore bios 1.3875, bios 1901

Welcome to the thread! Looking really good well done :up:

[ea6gka]

I picked up a new CPU, I needed greater flexibility for benching, and a little more speed 24/7 will also be nice. It's a Q829A, supposedly a decent batch. After about 5 hours idling at stock speed and 1.08v, and half an hour or so of orthos, i started working my way up. It passed 2 hours of orthos and 5 runs of IBT (max stress) at 4005 MHz @ 1.197v. I'm still slowly raising the clocks.

So far it's looking pretty good, passed an hour of small FFT's at 4104 MHz, 1.237v:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/1hourorthos41GHz1237v.jpg

New PB 3D Mark 06 with 8800GT:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/3dmark0641GHz1237v756-1836-950.jpg

dude , priority 1 in orthos is almost not pushing anything at all. You should try at priority 9 or 10.

[chew*]

/\

Runs to get popcorn and a soda.

[CryptiK]

dude , priority 1 in orthos is almost not pushing anything at all. You should try at priority 9 or 10.

Yes I'm aware it's better to set priority 9 or 10, that was just a quick test, and I was doing other things in the background while the test was running so i needed it set to priority 1. I'm not calling that stable, just roughly establishing what the cpu can do.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I don't know what's up with my M2F, it barely wants to POST anymore. Hangs at DET DRAM most of the time with known good memory, when I do get it to post and try any overclocking settings they don't stick, it goes in a reboot cycle or does the DET DRAM thing again. I had it in a box for the past month or two so it's had a good break, waste of $269 :mad:

[CryptiK]

Do a full cmos clear (remove battery too) and see if that helps. If not, try and use the other bios chip by setting the jumper to bios2. Do either of those things help?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I did try jumpering to BIOS2, and that got it to at least POST (after I used almost every RAM kit I own) but I tried to OC and it went back to its non-POSTing self. Did the battery removal too.

[CryptiK]

Thats odd. When it does post, on stock settings, is it stable enough to flash the BIOS? If so try that. Does it do the same thing with only one stick of ram installed?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I can only get it to post with one stick. It was freezing up in the BIOS quite a bit as well.

[loonym]

When mine did that it was because the chipset was over heating.

[JoeBar]

Thanks :) It's a decent cpu, nothing that special though unfortunately. I'm still searching for a really nice one. I really want an e8600 it's just a matter of finding a great batch, preferably a Q822A435 so if anyone knows of one that hasn't been really thrashed please let me know.
Nice clocks Cryptic. My Q828 8400 E0 needs 1.36v to be totally stable @ 4.5ghz, on water though...

[Grnfinger]

I'm just gonna hang out and spectate, interested in your wife's results grn, last time my wife played with one of my rigs she smoked my 939 x2 3800 on phase :rofl:

Nice to have you here.
I am not so trusting supervision will be on hand.:up:

[Simps]

Also, I was very impressed with your overclock and the voltages you used to achieve total stability. Really good work. I'm sure a lot of people will benefit from your guide and information; your contribution to this thread has been valuable. Your board is above average mate, not all can do what yours can on those voltages, so don't kill it! :)

Thanks! But I really don't think my board is special. I was running into a lot of problems (the same most of people on the thread), till I got it going. So I really think it is about tunning it the right way.

As I type, I am priming some nice little settings... So far 90mim on prime blend and running... What do you think about the volts required for that FSB on that 65nm quad? :)

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6206/4941zj1.jpg



brain@voz,

That is one nice overclock! I really hope it is stable for 24/7. I have some good news for you. That a look at the pic above. I found out that from 490FSB to 494FSB on a quad (so far), the board doesn't need volts adjusts. I am doing 494FSB on the exactly same settings I was doing 490FSB. I didn't even change the vcore. I changed nothing but the FSB. So you can take that o/c higher!



Shiranui Gen-An,

Try to update your bios with 1901, and check your mobo temps.



Grnfinger,

What has your wife achieved so far? :)


[]'s
Simps

[Fragger]

Nice clocks Cryptic. My Q828 8400 E0 needs 1.36v to be totally stable @ 4.5ghz, on water though...

My E8500 EO needs 1.4v to get 4.5GHz stable on water................... At least heat is not an issue.

[ViViD]

hi
Any1 Use This WaterBlock On M2F:
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/cases_cooling/ek_supreme_cpu_water_block/1
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EK_Waterblocks/EK_Supreme

EK WaterBlock Supreme
Idon't Wanna Rip Heat Sink On Mosfet Maybe If I Get This WB I Must Get Out Heat Sinck
Please Help Me
(sorry 4 my english)

[trickson]

I am so getting this mobo !

[Grnfinger]

Last run for my 3870X2.....well maybe

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/3d06_495FSB_22127.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Last run this time

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/500FSB.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/500FSB_22189.jpg

[andressergio]

Well finally i get my system stable after so many trials and errors for a month, i want to thank my mates Cryptik and Simps for all the help :up::up:

I discovered that tough i could pass IBT i couldn't pass BLEND for more than 20mins, so i focused on that, and finally passed Blend 1h+ then i was able to pass IBT various runs...wich i never could...
I'm using same settings that i passed memtest for this 1200 PL7 Stronger

this is what i get many runs of IBT and BLEND

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8457/4095455x9mems341213pl7sah2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4095455x9mems341213pl7sah2.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img297/4095455x9mems341213pl7sah2.jpg/1/)

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9209/4050450x9mems341200pl7mbr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4050450x9mems341200pl7mbr2.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img404/4050450x9mems341200pl7mbr2.jpg/1/)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2574/capturaja9.jpg

[andressergio]

Last run this time



Congrats mate :up:

[Simps]

Grnfinger,

Very nice scores. I also see you got to bench 500FSB on your quad. That 4870X2 is a killer hum? Does it get hot?
Congrats!


andressergio,

You finnaly made it! I knew you were going to get it stable sooner or later.
Congrats...

Well, I would like to share to everybody 494FSB for 24/7 on a quad with DDR2-1186 5-5-5-18 PL8 STRONGER and the low board voltage it takes to do so.
This board is good stuff. Lets keep this thread alive!

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5383/4945ju6.jpg

[]'s
Simps

[Grnfinger]

That was without the 4870X2, I will do a few air runs in teh morning with it.
Wife needs a hand with some bios settings, this is going to be a long night I think.....
Post up some of her results in the morning as well, running her E8400 first

[IcemaN22]

Does anybody know which settings is correct for getting OCZ reaper PC8500 RAM stable? 4x 1gb. There is no chance to get these stable on this board while overclocking, and on the old commando I had no problem. Please, I don't wanna go back to commando :(

[Simps]

That was without the 4870X2, I will do a few air runs in teh morning with it.
Wife needs a hand with some bios settings, this is going to be a long night I think.....
Post up some of her results in the morning as well, running her E8400 first

OMG, that was with 3870X2! I thought it was done with your new 4870X2. I guess good results like that can make people confuse :)
Even more impressive on the 3870X2 =/

[CryptiK]

Thanks! But I really don't think my board is special. I was running into a lot of problems (the same most of people on the thread), till I got it going. So I really think it is about tunning it the right way.

As I type, I am priming some nice little settings... So far 90mim on prime blend and running... What do you think about the volts required for that FSB on that 65nm quad? :)



Looks good. Just wondering why you dont use 7.5x or 8x multi for 3.6GHz or even higher? You'd get better performance from an extra 100 - 200MHz cpu speed with lower FSB than at 7 x 500 FSB. I would have thought if your cpu can do 500 FSB it should be able to hit 3.6GHz like a lot of Q6600's.

@Grnfinger - very nice results, that cpu and card are screaming :up:

[ViViD]

hi
Any1 Use This WaterBlock On M2F:
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/cases_cooling/ek_supreme_cpu_water_block/1
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EK_Waterblocks/EK_Supreme

EK WaterBlock Supreme
Idon't Wanna Rip Heat Sink On Mosfet Maybe If I Get This WB I Must Get Out Heat Sinck
Please Help Me
(sorry 4 my english)

PLZ Help Can I Get This WB For My Mobo M2F Without Any Problem:confused::confused::confused:

[CryptiK]

Just a quick question - do you guys install the M2F chipset drivers? I haven't done so yet, I thought all it really added was the power saving features (EPU-6) which is of no benefit for me. If you have installed them, did you notice any gains vs not running them?

@Vivid - sorry I have no idea about water blocks I air cool.

[Grnfinger]

Just a quick question - do you guys install the M2F chipset drivers? I haven't done so yet, I thought all it really added was the power saving features (EPU-6) which is of no benefit for me. If you have installed them, did you notice any gains vs not running them?

@Vivid - sorry I have no idea about water blocks I air cool.

You get a slight increase in Vantage and 3DMark running the chipset drivers.
B4 you install them remove Asus Six Engine if your running it,
I would recommend using them, I have had no ill effects and have run them since day 1 on both boards, I would get the latest P45 drivers from Intel not Asus

[CryptiK]

Cheers. I don't run EPU-6. Just installed the drivers off the CD, will look for updated ones from intel later on.

[tom_86]

@Vivid
Yes you can use the ek block on this board i have one on mine with the lga775 Mounting Bracket
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2183/dsc000101ov5.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000101ov5.jpg)

[ndGreg]

I have gotten to the point where I am testing for DDr CHA/CHB NB DDR2 Ref.
With my current settings, Prime got to 18 mins before I shut it down myself.
Note: This was after achieveing best NB GTL.;
NB GLT:
+10- 30 sec
+20- No post
-10- 17 mins
-20- No post
-15- 18mins + shut down when it beat -10.

I've run a couple of tests for the CHa/CHb NBDDR2 and haven't gotten prime to stop. Tho I have stopped it myself after 20-25 mins. I know I should let it run til it stops on its own, to get a base.
My question here is: should I be taking temps into consideration here, or just keep letting it run til Prime fails?

Hotest temps Ive seen so far (with Prime running)
CPU: 49
Core 1: 50
Core 2: 49
NB: 52
SB: 48

Thats gonna be alot of testing +12.5 +12.5 +50 thru -12.5 -12.5 -50,
or am I missing out on something here?

Heres my sttings so far: (not looking to get but 3.6GHz) as this is my very
1st overclock. Once I get 3.6 running stable, I will try more.


Ai Overclock Tuner Manual
OC From CPU Level Up Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting 8.5
FSB Frequency 422
CPU Clock Skew Auto
NB Clock Skew Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge 333
DRAM Frequency DDR2-1014MHz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1 Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2 Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1 Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2 Auto
DRAM Timing Control Auto

CAS# Latency 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge 5
DRAM RAS# Active to Precha 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time 55
Write Recovery Time 6
Read to Precharge Time 3

READ to WRITE Delay(S/D) 8
Write to Read Delay(S) 3
WRITE to READ Delay(D) 5
READ to READ Delay(S) 4
READ to READ Delay(D) 6
WRITE to WRITE Delay(S) 4
WRITE to WRITE Delay(D) 6

WRITE to PRE Delay 14
READ to PRE Delay 5
PRE to PRE Delay 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay 5

DRAM Static Read Control Auto
DRAM Read Training Auto
MEM. OC Charger Auto
Ai Clock Twister Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster Manual

Pull-in of CHA 1 Disabled
Pull-in of CHA 2 Disabled
Pull-in of CHA 3 Disabled
Pull-in of CHA 4 Disabled
Pull-in of CHB 1 Disabled
Pull-in of CHB 2 Disabled
Pull-in of CHB 3 Disabled
Pull-in of CHB 4 Disabled

Common Performance 8

PCIE Frequency 101

CPU Voltage 1.275
CPU PLL Voltage 1.553
FSB Termination Voltage 1.312
DRAM Voltage 2.10475
North Bridge Voltage 1.45775
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage 1.5
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage 1.1

CPU GTL Reference(0) Auto
CPU GTL Reference(1) -40mv
CPU GTL Reference(2) Auto
CPU GTL Reference(3) -40mv

NB GTL Reference -15
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference Auto

Load-Line Calibration Auto
CPU Spread Spectrum Auto
PCIE Spread Spectrum Auto

Your guide is working out great for me so far:clap:,
Thanks

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I don't know what's the deal with this piece of junk, everytime I get it to boot up and I try to do any kind of overclocking, it goes into it's non-posting DET_DRAM mode.

[CryptiK]

Sounds like either a bios issue, or a faulty MCH. Can you get it to boot dual channel yet? If you do get it to boot up (single or dual channel) can you get into windows and run any stability tests on it? Also in bios voltage monitor, are there any out of spec voltages or are they all normal?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

It still won't post with two sticks in dual channel. I don't have a hard disk attached to the board at the moment as I was just trying to do some high DDR2 clock memtest stressing. The voltages and temperatures look fine in the BIOS. The weird thing is when it does its DET_DRAM thing, the voltiminder LEDs simply do not light up. I'm getting a lot of hangs in the BIOS too.

[Simps]

I have gotten to the point where I am testing for DDr CHA/CHB NB DDR2 Ref.
With my current settings, Prime got to 18 mins before I shut it down myself.
Note: This was after achieveing best NB GTL.;
NB GLT:
+10- 30 sec
+20- No post
-10- 17 mins
-20- No post
-15- 18mins + shut down when it beat -10.

I've run a couple of tests for the CHa/CHb NBDDR2 and haven't gotten prime to stop. Tho I have stopped it myself after 20-25 mins. I know I should let it run til it stops on its own, to get a base.
My question here is: should I be taking temps into consideration here, or just keep letting it run til Prime fails?

Hotest temps Ive seen so far (with Prime running)
CPU: 49
Core 1: 50
Core 2: 49
NB: 52
SB: 48

Thats gonna be alot of testing +12.5 +12.5 +50 thru -12.5 -12.5 -50,
or am I missing out on something here?

Heres my sttings so far: (not looking to get but 3.6GHz) as this is my very
1st overclock. Once I get 3.6 running stable, I will try more.


Nice to hear the guide is helping you out. No, you don't need to take temperatures in consideration at this point.

"NB GLT:
+10- 30 sec
+20- No post
-10- 17 mins
-20- No post
-15- 18mins + shut down when it beat -10."

That is exactly the right kinda test to do, to find your best settings. See how different they are from each other, and how bad some of them are? You are on the right path. But you should test more NB GTL's. Like from -80 to +80. Maybe there are some even better value for you.

And yes, to find the best CHa/CHb NBDDR2, you should be testing all that range. This test is much less sensitive, so it might give you some trouble and take some time to find the right ones. You might raise your fsb and mem clock a bit, so tests fail after only 3 - 5 minutes, so you won't need to wait a lot between tests...

I see you are at the begining of the guide. When you get to the skews part, your system will become a lot more stable, and you will push it much higher.

Nice going there!

[]'s
Simps

[Grnfinger]

It still won't post with two sticks in dual channel. I don't have a hard disk attached to the board at the moment as I was just trying to do some high DDR2 clock memtest stressing. The voltages and temperatures look fine in the BIOS. The weird thing is when it does its DET_DRAM thing, the voltiminder LEDs simply do not light up. I'm getting a lot of hangs in the BIOS too.

Look real close around the dimm slot area for swollen/fat capacitors if you see any its RMA.

[CryptiK]

It still won't post with two sticks in dual channel. I don't have a hard disk attached to the board at the moment as I was just trying to do some high DDR2 clock memtest stressing. The voltages and temperatures look fine in the BIOS. The weird thing is when it does its DET_DRAM thing, the voltiminder LEDs simply do not light up. I'm getting a lot of hangs in the BIOS too.

It's not sounding good. Have you tried running the ram in both blue and white slots? Have you tried each slot one by one with only one stick at a time?

Can you enter bios set vNB to 1.45v, set mem OC charger to enabled (if its isnt already) and exit and see if that has any effect?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I'm fairly certain something is wrong with the DIMM slots now, I'm getting freezes/failures in memtest at stuff like DDR2-800 CAS5 with 2.10V.

[radaja]

well i just went to fire up my rma board using 4 sticks of cellshock pc-8000 cl4 and guess what happend? nothing ,absolutley nothing.board lights up but never boots. so i try two sticks in the blue slots,boots up just fine.so i try the same two sticks in the white slots,nothing.so i try one stick in the fist blue slot ,boots fine,same stick in the second blue slot,boots up fine. then the first white slot,boots fine,second white slot,NO BOOT! this is utterly insane. this the third bad board.i am so disgusted with asus right now.

[CryptiK]

@ Shiranui-GenAn - That's not good at all. Clean your rams gold contacts with alcohol and a q-tip and re-test. Also Grnfinger has a point, although these solid caps shouldnt swell they can still die, causing the board to feed the ram dirty power. Do you have any crappy ram thats less sensitive to ripple than D9 to test with? You dont want to kill any sticks testing it.

@radaja - that's not good, sorry to hear that. Did that slot used to work ok? Guess if you have tried all your ram in that slot and no go then its time for another RMA?


************************************************

Just did more testing, looking pretty stable so far, just have to run small FFT's.

Linpack 10 trials @ 4.23GHz
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/Linpack10runs423GHz564MHzPL8.jpg

Orthos 4096K 3 hours passed:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/Orthos4096K423GHz564MHzPL8moderatev.jpg

[radaja]

cryptik, i just got the board back from rma a few days ago.i didnt want to tear apart my ud3p system again,so i ordered a new power supply, graphics card, cpu cooler and harddrive, and they just got here yesterday. so this morning i put the RMA'ed maximus together with two sticks to load the operating system(i have vista original w/out sp1).once i was finished installing drivers and updating the OS i shut it down and installed the other two sticks of ram and no boot. then i proceded to test the stick and the slots individually and the only conclusion i could come to was that theres something wrong with the second white slot.

[CryptiK]

That's really bad. Good thing you resisted the temptation to put your first through it. I hope you can get a speedy rma and a fully functional board this time, you sure have had a bad run.

EDIT - the issues you guys have had just motivated me to pull apart my system and test slots 2 & 4 to make certain they worked, luckily they did :cool:

[Grnfinger]

cryptik, i just got the board back from rma a few days ago.i didnt want to tear apart my ud3p system again,so i ordered a new power supply, graphics card, cpu cooler and harddrive, and they just got here yesterday. so this morning i put the RMA'ed maximus together with two sticks to load the operating system(i have vista original w/out sp1).once i was finished installing drivers and updating the OS i shut it down and installed the other two sticks of ram and no boot. then i proceded to test the stick and the slots individually and the only conclusion i could come to was that theres something wrong with the second white slot.

Call Asus request level 3 tech support.
If possible ask for Mason Winner, this guy is one of the best and I highly recommend speaking to him.
Tell him everything from day one, he will take care of you.
iirc last dimm slot is 1.8volts so if your ram needs more it wont post.

[ViViD]

@Vivid
Yes you can use the ek block on this board i have one on mine with the lga775 Mounting Bracket
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2183/dsc000101ov5.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000101ov5.jpg)

:up: tanx M8:up:

[Simps]

Call Asus request level 3 tech support.
If possible ask for Mason Winner, this guy is one of the best and I highly recommend speaking to him.
Tell him everything from day one, he will take care of you.
iirc last dimm slot is 1.8volts so if your ram needs more it wont post.

WOW, I didn't know that last ram slot was 1.8v. What are the others then? What is the difference from 1st, 2nd and 3rd to that last slot?
BTW, I am using the blue slots (1st and 3rd, two ram sticks here.).

What are you guys with two sticks using?

[loonym]

What are you guys with two sticks using?

White

http://lakesidepc.com/m2f113.jpg

[eligray]

A magnificent MB indeed, but the addition of a debug screen like my DFI has would truly give it the cake

[Simps]

A magnificent MB indeed, but the addition of a debug screen like my DFI has would truly give it the cake

It has that external LCD thing, that can work as a debug screen.

[Grnfinger]

It has that external LCD thing, that can work as a debug screen.

:rofl:

[Grnfinger]

4870X2 first run stock speeds 800/975
Q9550 @ 460x8.5

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4870X2_stock.jpg


4870X2 800/975
Q9550 @ 500x8.5

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4870_500FSB.jpg

[radaja]

i dont quite understand the 1.8v on the second white slot? are you talking about auto voltages?

[CryptiK]

I haven't measured with DMM so I'm not certain, but a few boards supply about 0.02 - 0.05v less to the 2nd & 4th slots, I think the M2F is like this, so you get better overclocking at a given BIOS set voltage in the blue slots (1 & 3). Other boards it's the other way around, so you get less voltage being supplied to slots 1 & 3 so you get better overclocking for a given set BIOS voltage in slots 2 & 4.

I run my 2 sticks in the blue slots, as the manual states that they are better for overclocking so I can only assume they have a higher supplied voltage than slots 2 & 4.


4870X2 first run stock speeds 800/975
Q9550 @ 460x8.5


4870X2 800/975
Q9550 @ 500x8.5



Nice scores, that card's going well.

[Simps]

Here is another example of how this board can really handle 500FSB on quads.
I have done 20 IBT loops on my load this time, and at this moment I am still priming (1:45h so far). I took the pic while priming so the full load board temps are there too.

Take a look at voltages required. This time, I am testing 1:1 divider, witch gives DDR2-1000 and PL10.

Rock solid stable.

quadcore 500FSB with DDR2-1000 5-5-5-18 PL10
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4468/new50010ou9.jpg

[]'s
Simps

[eligray]

so grnfinger, i assume you're laughing at him for... wrongness? Just checking lol.

[IcemaN22]

How can this be the new "p45" king when it not even support OCZ reaper ram with over 800mhz and all other brands that have 1x 1GB ? :down:
It's really disappointing, my friend tells me it's because the ram only have 1.0V DRAM VTT while motherboard require 1.1V DRAM VTT, I can't find any option how to increase it in bios.
No matter what, it fails on memtest test 7.

[CryptiK]

No one's under the illusion this board is the new P45 king, it never was and never will be. No you cant adjust dram Vtt on this board, it is simply 0.5 x vdimm. Not sure what you mean about 1 x 1GB incompatibilities, I use two brands not on Asus' QVL and they work fine, and are 1GB modules.

However if you are failing memtest #7, it suggests a FSB problem, not a ram problem. Try increasing the vNB or adjusting the NB GTL Ref value. Your CPU may not be stable and causing the issue.

OCZ memory seems to have issues with a lot of boards, pretty much whenever I see someone complaining of ram incompatibility issues etc with any motherboard, they have OCZ ram. I'm not bashing the brand, but they are not something I'd recommend from what I've read.

[andressergio]

Here is another example of how this board can really handle 500FSB on quads.
I have done 20 IBT loops on my load this time, and at this moment I am still priming (1:45h so far). I took the pic while priming so the full load board temps are there too.

Take a look at voltages required. This time, I am testing 1:1 divider, witch gives DDR2-1000 and PL10.

Rock solid stable.

quadcore 500FSB with DDR2-1000 5-5-5-18 PL10
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4468/new50010ou9.jpg

[]'s
Simps

congrats Simps :up:

I advanced and i'm still stable re testing each day on this

Q9650 @ 4104 Gskills PC29600@ 1200 PL7 Stronger
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3383/44104456x9mems341216pl7wc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/44104456x9mems341216pl7wc6.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img141/44104456x9mems341216pl7wc6.jpg/1/)

It's a shame this quad needs so much vcore but well, it's ok either, im testing 4185 but needs 1,3875 to pass a few runs of IBT and 1,4vtt

Cheers
Sergio

[Simps]

andressergio,

Very nice, I see you are passing IBT now.
There is no chance you can run on the 5:6 divider? I believe it is the fastest one.

I just woke up, stop priming and now I will call it 100% stable.

quadcore 500FSB
7h prime blend + 20 IBT loops on max stress
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5244/new50013wu3.jpg

[]'s
Simps

[Simps]

No one's under the illusion this board is the new P45 king, it never was and never will be.

Well, for sure not the king of the bench boards. Now, for solid stability on quads I have not seen any other better board. Please show me one, so I can investigate.
I see you have a dualcore, and the thing is, dualcores won't push these high end boards, and they will perform very alike on different good boards (on bad boards they will suck of course), since they are all designed to handle quads, they won't have any problems with dualcores. Dualcores will run just fine on even 6 phase power boards.

Now with quadcores, you would really feel the difference the 16 phase power of this board has, against other boards. Stability on high clocked quads with high fsb, is very dependent on this 16 phase power, witch for dualcores, is of course a totally overkill.

Believe, this 16 power design, is not just a market thing. And I don't see non-asus boards using it. It is there for a reason.

So in a way, for me at least, if you have a quad, this is the best p45 board for it yes, for solid stability on 24/7 operation.

[andressergio]

:up:
andressergio,

Very nice, I see you are passing IBT now.
There is no chance you can run on the 5:6 divider? I believe it is the fastest one.

I just woke up, stop priming and now I will call it 100% stable.

quadcore 500FSB
7h prime blend + 20 IBT loops on max stress
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5244/new50013wu3.jpg

[]'s
Simps

Hey same here lol

Will try i'm testing 4140 (460x9) on SAME settings but have residual but no BSOD...

Cheers
Sergio

[Grnfinger]

Well, for sure not the king of the bench boards. Now, for solid stability on quads I have not seen any other better board. Please show me one, so I can investigate.I see you have a dualcore, and the thing is, dualcores won't push these high end boards, and they will perform very alike on different good boards (on bad boards they will suck of course), since they are all designed to handle quads, they won't have any problems with dualcores. Dualcores will run just fine on even 6 phase power boards.

Now with quadcores, you would really feel the difference the 16 phase power of this board has, against other boards. Stability on high clocked quads with high fsb, is very dependent on this 16 phase power, witch for dualcores, is of course a totally overkill.

Believe, this 16 power design, is not just a market thing. And I don't see non-asus boards using it. It is there for a reason.

So in a way, for me at least, if you have a quad, this is the best p45 board for it yes, for solid stability on 24/7 operation.

I can show you one, Rampage X48 will beat this board everytime, on FSB and Bandwidth. Gigabyte UD3 beats MIIF in FSB and Bandwidth at alot less $$. Hard to make a sweeping claim like that when you only have 1 board. I have tested 6 boards this year and probably 15 chips. Your intitled to your opinion and yes this is a good board but to call it the best when the bios is need of a major overhaul, many valuable performance feature's simply do not work makes it hard to support your claim. More to a board than having 1 chip clock well. Do it with 3 or 4 different chip's and you start to add merrit to your claim

[humeyboy]

How can this be the new "p45" king when it not even support OCZ reaper ram with over 800mhz and all other brands that have 1x 1GB ? :down:
It's really disappointing, my friend tells me it's because the ram only have 1.0V DRAM VTT while motherboard require 1.1V DRAM VTT, I can't find any option how to increase it in bios.
No matter what, it fails on memtest test 7.

Because OCZ are crap.

Go and read their forum stickies, see that the Asus NF6 Mobos had issues with them.

They blame Asus for non Ref Bios's, well why do they also mention the EVGA 680 has issues when it uses a Nvidia ref Bios ?

The fact is all Asus mobos use non Ref bioses, and Corsair work best with them IMO, I have had OCZ both for Ram and PSU (very loud for a so called Silent model) and they are crap IMO.

[Simps]

I can show you one, Rampage X48 will beat this board everytime, on FSB and Bandwidth. Gigabyte UD3 beats MIIF in FSB and Bandwidth at alot less $$. Hard to make a sweeping claim like that when you only have 1 board. I have tested 6 boards this year and probably 15 chips. Your intitled to your opinion and yes this is a good board but to call it the best when the bios is need of a major overhaul, many valuable performance feature's simply do not work makes it hard to support your claim. More to a board than having 1 chip clock well. Do it with 3 or 4 different chip's and you start to add merrit to your claim

X48 is not p45 so. And about the Gigabyte UD3P. You should go for it then, and compare it to your MIIF. I doubt that board can make a better stable overclock on quads at high FSB's then MIIF. That board has a cheap 6 phase power design. Entry-level board these days uses 4 - 6 phase design, maybe that is why these gigas cost 100 bucks? That is a mistake for people running high FSB and 4GHz quads. That will for sure jeopardize your stability. There is a huge huge difference from 16 phase to 6 phase. Like I said, you shoud go for it, and compare yourself. That board is a nice bench board. You can boot up to windows up to 560FSB on quads, and therefore the mem bandwidth will be a lot better, and you will never manage to do that with a MIIF. That is because of the Rev03 chipset those giga use, and they allow much higher voltage. Now that is only good for entering windows, bench, taking a SS. That's it. I am talking 24/7 board.

Also, I went to the UD3P thread, I post a SS of what it takes for the MIIF to make 500FSB stable on quads. The voltages and board load temps. I asked for them to post the same overclock, with their UD3P, so we can compare MIIF and UD3P, and see what are the volts both boards needs, and their temps, at the same overclock. So far, no UD3P matched it, and one UD3P user called me a cheater, that the voltages MIIF needed were "impossible". You can see for yourself here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205132&page=54

I don't have a special board, and I don't have a special CPU. My CPU is a 1st revision B3 65nm quad. I think that says it all.

Just because there are people with UD3P pushing 1.7PLL and 1.7VTT on their quads, breaking WR's of highest clock on Q9650, doesn't mean anything of how solid the board is. Don't get yourself fooled.

I have never had a giga board before, but I know some people here on XS lost a lot of ram sticks on giga boards. I don't know if they kill ram or not, like I said, I never had one, but I have read here on XS a lot of people getting D9 ram killed by giga boards. Good luck. Also good luck on having some BSOD or freezes once in a while =/

I have been looking at all the P45 threads here and on other forums. I can tell you that Maximus II Formula is the best P45 board for a quad solid stable 24/7 use.

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Simps

[loonym]

Now, for solid stability on quads I have not seen any other better board. Personally I found it rather disappointing compared to some of my other setups. Both my 790i ultra and x48t-dq6 are more stable. I bought the m2f for price only, I paid $160, and that has been it's one redeeming factor. ;)

[Simps]

Personally I found it rather disappointing compared to some of my other setups. Both my 790i ultra and x48t-dq6 are more stable. I bought the m2f for price only, I paid $160, and that has been it's one redeeming factor. ;)

I was saying P45 boards, and non of your examples are.
We can discuss what is the best chipset too, but it is a different discussion.
And it won't be any Nvidia one, you can bet on that too.

[]'s
Simps

[loonym]

I'm not looking for an argument, as defensive as you wish to become. Your rather broad statement specifically said "any other" and if you want to cheer and wave pom poms for a mediocre board with lackluster support that's your business. My machines all run 100% load around the clock for months on end so I get a chance to see real stability at work and I'm merely relaying my experience. Good day and keep pushing, that's a superior 6700 you have there, good show. :)

[andressergio]

Well guys i made it to the 4140 on 1227 PL7 Stronger still need some fine tuning on my GTLS as they are close but to enough

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9823/24140460x9mems341227pl7ne1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers :up:
Sergio

[radaja]

simps,i know that english is not your first language but you keep making sweeping statments about this board(being the best p45, best 24/7 stability,best quad core board, best voltage,best temps,best pwm design)but you really have nothing to base it on.i dont want to offend you but this is just your opinion from using the maxII,from what ive read in your post you have not tried any other boards.(but maybe im wrong)for one i think that the UD3P has 6 phase digital pwm,where as the maxII has 16 phase analog pwm(on this i could be wrong also)and if you would take the time to read the UD3 thread they are OCing quads very very well.the biostar p45 has some amazing dual core OC's.the asus P5Q-deluxe is probally the one of the best all around 24/7 board for quads and dual cores,mind you i said one of the best.dfi's p45's are also doing quite well.but remember these are just opinions base on my limited knowledge of these other boards.for instance i cant really make any solid opions about quad cores at all, since ive never owned or used an intel quad.all boards have thier own set of problems from my experience.you have to be careful of what you post.there are people that might check in these threads that dont have the experience that some of us have,and are looking for advice as to what to buy,whats best and so on.and i can tell you that the maxII is far from being the best p45 board.it has a whole host of problems.as does every board out there.nothing in this world is perfect(except for me)just kidding.

[Simps]

radaja,

I understand and sorry if I have pushed this too far. I won't continue this debate. If someone would like to reply on it, based on something I have said, I see no problem with it, but I will just not say anything about this anymore.
Also, no, that on your UD3P is not a digital pwm.

[]'s
Simps

[Grnfinger]

X48 is not p45 so. And about the Gigabyte UD3P. You should go for it then, and compare it to your MIIF. I doubt that board can make a better stable overclock on quads at high FSB's then MIIF. That board has a cheap 6 phase power design. Entry-level board these days uses 4 - 6 phase design, maybe that is why these gigas cost 100 bucks? That is a mistake for people running high FSB and 4GHz quads. That will for sure jeopardize your stability. There is a huge huge difference from 16 phase to 6 phase. Like I said, you shoud go for it, and compare yourself. That board is a nice bench board. You can boot up to windows up to 560FSB on quads, and therefore the mem bandwidth will be a lot better, and you will never manage to do that with a MIIF. That is because of the Rev03 chipset those giga use, and they allow much higher voltage. Now that is only good for entering windows, bench, taking a SS. That's it. I am talking 24/7 board.

Also, I went to the UD3P thread, I post a SS of what it takes for the MIIF to make 500FSB stable on quads. The voltages and board load temps. I asked for them to post the same overclock, with their UD3P, so we can compare MIIF and UD3P, and see what are the volts both boards needs, and their temps, at the same overclock. So far, no UD3P matched it, and one UD3P user called me a cheater, that the voltages MIIF needed were "impossible". You can see for yourself here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205132&page=54

I don't have a special board, and I don't have a special CPU. My CPU is a 1st revision B3 65nm quad. I think that says it all.

Just because there are people with UD3P pushing 1.7PLL and 1.7VTT on their quads, breaking WR's of highest clock on Q9650, doesn't mean anything of how solid the board is. Don't get yourself fooled.

I have never had a giga board before, but I know some people here on XS lost a lot of ram sticks on giga boards. I don't know if they kill ram or not, like I said, I never had one, but I have read here on XS a lot of people getting D9 ram killed by giga boards. Good luck. Also good luck on having some BSOD or freezes once in a while =/

I have been looking at all the P45 threads here and on other forums. I can tell you that Maximus II Formula is the best P45 board for a quad solid stable 24/7 use.

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Simps

Your arogance is blinding you
When you have tested more than 1 board come back and report on your findings in the mean time walk over to HWBOT and check on loonym's acomplishments b4 shoving your opinion down his throat

[radaja]

ok thanks i wasnt sure but i thought i read about it being digital.and any ways no hard feelings ok.you can post whatever you want,but when you make definitive statements it going to get noticed.and by the way you should be proud of what youve acomplished with your board and cpu,it is truley amazing.not all boards and cpu's are the same.i doubt many will be able to do what youve done(same setup ,cpu with those volts and temps)great job!

[Simps]

Ok radaja, again, sorry for anything.

Grnfinger, fair enough.

Lets move on!

[loonym]

I'm sorry if I offended you Simps, surely not my intent. Your contribution to this thread and helping me understand the mf2 bios is invaluable. I gained a few fsb points on my oc and for that I'm in your debt. :up: Grnfinger, the hwbot stuff is really just a game I play for boredom but thanks for your kind words. I'm much prouder of my wcg work and the m2f is turning into a very reliable producer. :D

[Simps]

I'm sorry if I offended you Simps, surely not my intent. Your contribution to this thread and helping me understand the mf2 bios is invaluable. I gained a few fsb points on my oc and for that I'm in your debt. :up: Grnfinger, the hwbot stuff is really just a game I play for boredom but thanks for your kind words. I'm much prouder of my wcg work and the m2f is turning into a very reliable producer. :D

Hey relax. I read all that I wrote again, and really, it was me crossing the line. I guess this things happens on the internet. I am pretty sure if we were all talking together in the front of each other, none of this would have happen.

Lets keep moving.

[Grnfinger]

agreed simps lets not ruin this with silly non sense :toast:

[chiman2]

hey everyone. im thinking about running windows 7 beta and was wondering what i would do about drivers? would i just install 64 bit vista ones or not instal drivers at all? advice would be appriciated.

[andressergio]

Hey Simps

I tested for 4,5hours on memtest the 2x2Gskills at 1240 PL7 Stronger 5-5-5-15-5-65-8-5 just loose them a bit on 2,15vdimm and then decided to go for this

4185(465x9) MEMS 1240 PL7 Stronger

This time i tuned GTLS the right way

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1157/54185465x9mems451240pl7uu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/54185465x9mems451240pl7uu7.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img184/54185465x9mems451240pl7uu7.jpg/1/)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3457/capturaih0.jpg

[Simps]

andressergio,

Holy crap! I think you just achieved some insane good 24/7 memory clocks!
2x2GB DDR2-1240 CL5 PL7 STRONGER for 24/7 at 2.15v!
Looks like for some reason, your mem loves that divider.
That 50.3ns latency is a killer for 24/7 usage!

Well, you made it my friend :)
It is the first time I see someone do that kinda mem o/c at PL7 on Maximus II Formula with reasonable volts for 24/7.

Big congrats, you deserve it!

[]'s
Simps

[andressergio]

andressergio,

Holy crap! I think you just achieved some insane good 24/7 memory clocks!
2x2GB DDR2-1240 CL5 PL7 STRONGER for 24/7 at 2.15v!
Looks like for some reason, your mem loves that divider.
That 50.3ns latency is a killer for 24/7 usage!

Well, you made it my friend :)
It is the first time I see someone do that kinda mem o/c at PL7 on Maximus II Formula with reasonable volts for 24/7.

Big congrats, you deserve it!

[]'s
Simps

Thanks mate i've been testing 1200 PL7 for a week now on memtest and tough i passed 2500% i couldn't pass IBT 10 test on max mem, it just need more vcore on the combo to achieve that, pll has no effect, vtt has its normal effect (i can do it on less but i want to keep vtt near vcore)

But i made it :up:

[CryptiK]

Hey Simps

I tested for 4,5hours on memtest the 2x2Gskills at 1240 PL7 Stronger 5-5-5-15-5-65-8-5 just loose them a bit on 2,15vdimm and then decided to go for this

4185(465x9) MEMS 1240 PL7 Stronger

This time i tuned GTLS the right way


Very nice Sergio, that is a very capable 24/7 setup :up:

[ndGreg]

OK, I up'ed the FSB and Memory clock as u stated on thread #2823,pg113.
I found that FSB 460, multi 9, Dram freq 1105 became my best testing area.
@465, my temps in everest went crazy. Showing 255 on a few when I started prime.
Retested ALL NB GTL's again, however, I have 3 that made it to 9 mins.
[-40],[-60],and[-65].
Any suggestions on how to determind which would be best?

Multipier 9
FSB 460
FSB Strap 333
DRAM Freq DDR2-1105MHz
Ai CLK Twister Stronger
PL 8
CPU Volt. 1.275
PLL 1.553
FSB Term 1.312
Dram Volt. 2.10475
NB Volt. 1.45775

CPU GTL Ref 0&2 Auto
CPU GTL Ref 1&3 -40mv

[CryptiK]

Did a bit more testing.

Orthos custom run 4096K
vcore 1.263/1.268 - 1.272 (idle/load)
vNB 1.20v
PL8

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/Orthos4096K423ddr1129PL8vNB120vgtlr.jpg

When I ran linpack it was not quite stable so increased vNB one notch, which gave me stability.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/linpack423ddr1129PL8vNB120vgtlref-6.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Good looking chip you have there, what kinda temps are you hitting on load?
Last low volt chip I had produced alot of heat.

[Simps]

OK, I up'ed the FSB and Memory clock as u stated on thread #2823,pg113.
I found that FSB 460, multi 9, Dram freq 1105 became my best testing area.
@465, my temps in everest went crazy. Showing 255 on a few when I started prime.
Retested ALL NB GTL's again, however, I have 3 that made it to 9 mins.
[-40],[-60],and[-65].
Any suggestions on how to determind which would be best?

Multipier 9
FSB 460
FSB Strap 333
DRAM Freq DDR2-1105MHz
Ai CLK Twister Stronger
PL 8
CPU Volt. 1.275
PLL 1.553
FSB Term 1.312
Dram Volt. 2.10475
NB Volt. 1.45775

CPU GTL Ref 0&2 Auto
CPU GTL Ref 1&3 -40mv

It is a good thing that all the best values you found for your GTL NB, are close to each other. [-40],[-60],and[-65].
I have run into that problem when I have tunned my GTL's too. You can try to put more stress on the system, to see if a single value of NB GTL will come out. You can do that by raising the FSB a bit and the mem clock, and testing the 3 values again. Or, you can just keep those 3 values for you, and randomly pic one. When you finish the guide, and have you tunning completed, then you can try to push the system harder, and again, test those 3 NB GTL's. Maybe after all the other settings are tunned, there will be a single best NB GTL value. I have done the second option. For me, NB GTL of +20mV and +30mV were the same. So I moved one, picking 30mV, and till these day, I couldn't find a difference between +20mV and +30mV for me.

Hope it helps.

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Simps

[Simps]

Did a bit more testing.

Orthos custom run 4096K
vcore 1.263/1.268 - 1.272 (idle/load)
vNB 1.20v
PL8

When I ran linpack it was not quite stable so increased vNB one notch, which gave me stability.

Looking good CryptiK.

Here is what I have found it is best and takes less time to test a system for full stability.
I found out that you only need to run IBT and PRIME BLEND.
I start with IBT 20 loops on max stress. If it don't pass it, then I don't even bother with PRIME. If it passes, then I go for prime blend for 4 hours.
If it passes, its done.

I have never had a single setting that passed 20 loops IBT on max stress, and 4hours prime blend to crash on me. All the other stress programs like OCCT, PRIME SMALL FFT's, memtest, etc, will pass too.

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Simps

[CryptiK]

Good looking chip you have there, what kinda temps are you hitting on load?
Last low volt chip I had produced alot of heat.

Thanks. It's around 58*C in IBT with a lapped TRUE, MX-2 and 54cfm fan. This was in ~20*C ambients, so it will get even hotter on a warm day.


Looking good CryptiK.

Here is what I have found it is best and takes less time to test a system for full stability.
I found out that you only need to run IBT and PRIME BLEND.
I start with IBT 20 loops on max stress. If it don't pass it, then I don't even bother with PRIME. If it passes, then I go for prime blend for 4 hours.
If it passes, its done.

I have never had a single setting that passed 20 loops IBT on max stress, and 4hours prime blend to crash on me. All the other stress programs like OCCT, PRIME SMALL FFT's, memtest, etc, will pass too.

[]'s
Simps

I was just testing a theory so I ran the tests in that order on purpose. I find that 4096K test is harder on ram/NB than blend/large FFT's are, and I was specifically trying to load the ram/nb during those tests.

EDIT - can anyone get the 1:2 divider to work on this board? I have tried multiple times and no go. My ram is good for 700MHz+ on P35 but cannot get 666MHz+ to work on this board, 620MHz is its limit.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I got an RMA approved for my MIIF today, they're going to do the cross-ship method. I'm not sure if I'm going to keep the replacement or not as I'm having a lot of fun with my DFI LT P35 and my Gigabyte EP45 UD3P...

[Simps]

EDIT - can anyone get the 1:2 divider to work on this board? I have tried multiple times and no go. My ram is good for 700MHz+ on P35 but cannot get 666MHz+ to work on this board, 620MHz is its limit.

I can give it try for you...
You mean 1:2 divider, as a 400FSB giving DDR2-1600?
Is that right?

[Codeman05]

guys, I have a likely stupid question that I hope you can help me out with real quick since your input helping my O/C on this board vastly :)

Not O/C related this time, but related to this mobo none the less, and no one else has had must input to offer.

I just bought a new HDTV and have a blu-ray drive in the mail to me that I want to output to the TV.
I have a 4870x2, so I'm HDCP compliant there. However, I want to output the audio via the onboard Optical SPDIF to my 7.1 receiver.

Am I going to be able to do that with the onboard X-FI...is that "card" HDCP...or does that even matter in this scenario?


Thanks guys

[Jor3lBR]

Just to reply Simps on Gigabyte Thread, I won't be answering any questions here only there to avoid people getting upset. This is Asus thread so discussions should be Asus only...

More results just click on my signature down there :up:


This board allows people to boot and enter windows @ 650FSB on duals, and 560FSB on quads. That is probably because of the Rev.A3 chipset. But due to its 6 power design only, I haven't seen people doing good stable FSB on this board, neither on dual or quad cpu's. Also, this board needs more volts then other good p45 boards, to perform the same overclock, and it heats way more.
For this reasons, I believe so far this is a good board to bench with, but for 24/7, I have my doubts. Maybe it needs better bios or so.

I know it's not a competition there is nothing to compete for, but sometimes it sounds like you underestimate engineers, if they build something to work with 6 Phase it's because they know what they are doing. Just because Asus has 16 Phase doesn't mean they can hold anything better. In fact as far as I'm concern the smallest route between to points is still a straight line... :up:

Here:

[System Setup]
CPU: Q9650@3500Mhz 500x7
Voltages:
VCORE=1.29V
VTT=1.20V
VPLL=1.5V
VNB=1.26V
VSB=1.1V
VDIMM=2.24V
Mobo: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P
Cooler: Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer
Ram: 2 x 2Gb - 4gb G.Skill Pi 9600 @1200 5-5-4-15
Video: X1300
PSU: OCZ Powerstream 520w Adj (http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzt3ld.jpg)


[Stability and Memory Benchmark Testing]
I can't show Prime95 now as I don't have 7hrs of the day, but testing was done using IBT Max and HCi Memtest 3.8 150%. If my systems passes those 2they can Prime95 all year. But I can Prime95 during the week if you insist.

Another note is that Everest OSD doesn't show much info on this board only the stuff is on screen so you have to see all voltages on ET6 (Easy Tuner 6).


IBT 35 Loops Maximum Stress starting - LOAD (I can only see pics of your system on Idle)
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Jor3llBR/a47f50c9.jpg


IBT 35 Loops Maximum Stress ending -IDLE
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Jor3llBR/67fcc5b3.jpg


HCI Memtest 3.8
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Jor3llBR/fff6555e.jpg


DDR2 500x7 FSB 1200Mhz Bandwith
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Jor3llBR/248a7998.jpg

This board is pretty much a joy to use, so easy you can hit and tweak and you can get the job done.

No matter how low volts you use this board will use less and remain stable and no matter how high fsb you want this board will keep breaking records with Quads.

Hope that settles the friendly inter-thread challenge :up:

[Simps]

Jor3lBR,

Wow, very nice numbers, but yes, prime is needed. No prime, the comparison is even less apples to apples as it already is.
I also see that your CPU is a 45nm, it will by definition need less volts to it its business on the same clock a 65nm will. That is independent on boards or anything. Its just a better and newer cpu. That is the major thing making the comparison even less fair.

I see the vPLL and vFSB you needed was lower then mine. But those are very cpu related, and this is a problem when comparing 45nm to 65nm cpus.
The vNB I used was lower then yours. I was on 1.23 on bios and 1.24 reported on everest, as you can see on pics. This voltage is much less cpu dependend that the others, but still, you are on 2x2gb mem, and I am on 2x1GB mem, which could explain it too.

I guess the only way to compare it, would be the same CPU running on each board. That would be the best. Or, second way, if I had a 45nm or you a 65nm. I don't have a 45nm. Do you have a 65nm quad by a chance? :)

Anyway, the numbers are good. Congrats. But as a comparison, it won't do, because the difference on the CPU's are much more then I imagined.

Anyway, this is what I get on the everest, for the mems clocked as yours. My write and copy values, are lower because I have less cache on the CPU (65nm vs 45nm). Every 65nm cpu will have lower write / copy. But the read / latency are unafected by the less cache and are fair comparison.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2472/mf2qqn8.jpg

[]'s
Simps

[Grnfinger]

Just to reply Simps on Gigabyte Thread, I won't be answering any questions here only there to avoid people getting upset. This is Asus thread so discussions should be Asus only...

More results just click on my signature down there :up:



I know it's not a competition there is nothing to compete for, but sometimes it sounds like you underestimate engineers, if they build something to work with 6 Phase it's because they know what they are doing. Just because Asus has 16 Phase doesn't mean they can hold anything better. In fact as far as I'm concern the smallest route between to points is still a straight line... :up:

Here:

[System Setup]
CPU: Q9650@3500Mhz 500x7
Voltages:
VCORE=1.29V
VTT=1.20V
VPLL=1.5V
VNB=1.26V
VSB=1.1V
VDIMM=2.24V
Mobo: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P
Cooler: Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer
Ram: 2 x 2Gb - 4gb G.Skill Pi 9600 @1200 5-5-4-15
Video: X1300
PSU: OCZ Powerstream 520w Adj (http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzt3ld.jpg)


[Stability and Memory Benchmark Testing]
I can't show Prime95 now as I don't have 7hrs of the day, but testing was done using IBT Max and HCi Memtest 3.8 150%. If my systems passes those 2they can Prime95 all year. But I can Prime95 during the week if you insist.

Another note is that Everest OSD doesn't show much info on this board only the stuff is on screen so you have to see all voltages on ET6 (Easy Tuner 6).


IBT 35 Loops Maximum Stress starting - LOAD (I can only see pics of your system on Idle)


This board is pretty much a joy to use, so easy you can hit and tweak and you can get the job done.

No matter how low volts you use this board will use less and remain stable and no matter how high fsb you want this board will keep breaking records with Quads.

Hope that settles the friendly inter-thread challenge :up:

Good looking clocks there, I had a chance to play with one and wish I had bought it , it would have been a great benching board.


Jor3lBR,

Wow, very nice numbers, but yes, prime is needed. No prime, the comparison is even less apples to apples as it already is.
I also see that your CPU is a 45nm, it will by definition need less volts to it its business on the same clock a 65nm will. That is independent on boards or anything. Its just a better and newer cpu. That is the major thing making the comparison even less fair.

I see the vPLL and vFSB you needed was lower then mine. But those are very cpu related, and this is a problem when comparing 45nm to 65nm cpus.
The vNB I used was lower then yours. I was on 1.23 on bios and 1.24 reported on everest, as you can see on pics. This voltage is much less cpu dependend that the others, but still, you are on 2x2gb mem, and I am on 2x1GB mem, which could explain it too.

I guess the only way to compare it, would be the same CPU running on each board. That would be the best. Or, second way, if I had a 45nm or you a 65nm. I don't have a 45nm. Do you have a 65nm quad by a chance? :)

Anyway, the numbers are good. Congrats. But as a comparison, it won't do, because the difference on the CPU's are much more then I imagined.

Anyway, this is what I get on the everest, for the mems clocked as yours. My write and copy values, are lower because I have less cache on the CPU (65nm vs 45nm). Every 65nm cpu will have lower write / copy. But the read / latency are unafected by the less cache and are fair comparison.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2472/mf2qqn8.jpg

[]'s
Simps

What ram you running there?
Everest scores look a little low...

[Simps]

Grnfinger,

Everest "write" and "copy" bandwidths, are affected directly by the CPU amount of cache. The 45nm CPU's have 6MB L2 (x2) and 65nm CPU's have 4MB L2 (x2).
So a 45nm CPU will have a much much higher "write" and "copy" bandwidth, then a 65nm CPU.

The other values, "read" and "latency" aren't affected my the CPU cache. And they are the only ones comparable between a 65nm CPU and 45nm CPU.

That is why those "write" and "copy" values are a bit low, because of my 65nm CPU. These days people are used to 45nm results and so.

[]'s
Simps

[radaja]

well im on the asus merry-go round once again.i call and ask to talk to the manager and the phone jockeys take my info and give me a new support ticket and they say someone will call,and of course if its like the last time no one does,so ill have to call again and do it all over again with someone else and the will tell me something similar about someone calling me but they never do so i call again this time im a little upset,cant explain myself clearly then they get some inkling of what im talking about and take some more info and tell me that they will have someone call me in the next hour,but no one does,and then guess what happens?nothing..........that is untill i call them again and again and again.

[Simps]

Grnfinger,

I just did a search on this thread, and found your old 65nm results. As you can see, your results showed the low "write" and "copy" values on 65nm too. And much lower then mine (that you tought was low), and that was on your x38. See for yourself, might refresh your memory.


Here is some old 65nm quad runs

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/3800final.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/40-2.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/40-1.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/1200.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/pl6.png

45nm C2D
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4500_keep.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4250_1200_3.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST4_505.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST3_500.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST2_498.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST1_495.png

Will post more when I get home from work and will match cable tie guys settings for a comparison.
CryptiK maybe you could run some tests with your MIIF and E8400 that would be a great head to head

[]'s
Simps

[Grnfinger]

Grnfinger,

Everest "write" and "copy" bandwidths, are affected directly by the CPU amount of cache. The 45nm CPU's have 6MB L2 (x2) and 65nm CPU's have 4MB L2 (x2).
So a 45nm CPU will have a much much higher "write" and "copy" bandwidth, then a 65nm CPU.

The other values, "read" and "latency" aren't affected my the CPU cache. And they are the only ones comparable between a 65nm CPU and 45nm CPU.

That is why those "write" and "copy" values are a bit low, because of my 65nm CPU. These days people are used to 45nm results and so.

[]'s
Simps

Thanks I'm well a where what the differences are in 65nm and 45nm cpu's and how they affect bandwidth.
So again I'll ask you what ram is that?


well im on the asus merry-go round once again.i call and ask to talk to the manager and the phone jockeys take my info and give me a new support ticket and they say someone will call,and of course if its like the last time no one does,so ill have to call again and do it all over again with someone else and the will tell me something similar about someone calling me but they never do so i call again this time im a little upset,cant explain myself clearly then they get some inkling of what im talking about and take some more info and tell me that they will have someone call me in the next hour,but no one does,and then guess what happens?nothing..........that is untill i call them again and again and again.

Perhaps your being alittle too polite, maybe take a royal dump all over someone, then say this is unacceptable you would like to speak with a supervisor.
Once he/her gets on the phone you will have to tone it down anotch or 2 or they will hang up on you....explain the problem and ask to be elevated to level 3 tech, once there remind the guy how much the board cost's, that your not some douche bag with more money than brains and refuse anything less than an upgrade, it worked for me and my Max X38 and it will work for you if your just irritating enough without crossing the line.

[CryptiK]

I got an RMA approved for my MIIF today, they're going to do the cross-ship method. I'm not sure if I'm going to keep the replacement or not as I'm having a lot of fun with my DFI LT P35 and my Gigabyte EP45 UD3P...

IMHO I think the LT P35 and the UD3P are much more capable ram clocking boards than the M2F. I still can't get 541 FSB & 650MHz to pass SPI32M, nor get 434 FSB & 650 MHz to pass. It's beyond me why, that isn't even pushing it frequency or FSB wise. My P5K could do that even, so could my mates LT P35.

I can get 534 FSB & 640 MHz to pass, but as soon as I crank up the multi at the same settings it fails straight away and no amount of skewing will make it stable. This board is a nightmare to bench on.

If I were you I'd sell it as new when you get it back (after testing it to make sure it works of course), they are still really expensive boards so if you took ~$100 off retail price you'd sell it in no time.


I can give it try for you...
You mean 1:2 divider, as a 400FSB giving DDR2-1600?
Is that right?

Yes, that's the one. 333 FSB & 666 MHz would be easier to test though, however my board wont boot no matter what I set on the 1:2 divider. I'm quite sure it's broken and Asus just never expected anyone to try and use it and find out.


Just to reply Simps on Gigabyte Thread, I won't be answering any questions here only there to avoid people getting upset. This is Asus thread so discussions should be Asus only...

More results just click on my signature down there :up:



I know it's not a competition there is nothing to compete for, but sometimes it sounds like you underestimate engineers, if they build something to work with 6 Phase it's because they know what they are doing. Just because Asus has 16 Phase doesn't mean they can hold anything better. In fact as far as I'm concern the smallest route between to points is still a straight line... :up:

Here:

[System Setup]
CPU: Q9650@3500Mhz 500x7
Voltages:
VCORE=1.29V
VTT=1.20V
VPLL=1.5V
VNB=1.26V
VSB=1.1V
VDIMM=2.24V
Mobo: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P
Cooler: Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer
Ram: 2 x 2Gb - 4gb G.Skill Pi 9600 @1200 5-5-4-15
Video: X1300
PSU: OCZ Powerstream 520w Adj (http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzt3ld.jpg)


[Stability and Memory Benchmark Testing]
I can't show Prime95 now as I don't have 7hrs of the day, but testing was done using IBT Max and HCi Memtest 3.8 150%. If my systems passes those 2they can Prime95 all year. But I can Prime95 during the week if you insist.

Another note is that Everest OSD doesn't show much info on this board only the stuff is on screen so you have to see all voltages on ET6 (Easy Tuner 6).


IBT 35 Loops Maximum Stress starting - LOAD (I can only see pics of your system on Idle)
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Jor3llBR/a47f50c9.jpg


IBT 35 Loops Maximum Stress ending -IDLE
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Jor3llBR/67fcc5b3.jpg


HCI Memtest 3.8
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Jor3llBR/fff6555e.jpg


DDR2 500x7 FSB 1200Mhz Bandwith
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss102/Jor3llBR/248a7998.jpg

This board is pretty much a joy to use, so easy you can hit and tweak and you can get the job done.

No matter how low volts you use this board will use less and remain stable and no matter how high fsb you want this board will keep breaking records with Quads.

Hope that settles the friendly inter-thread challenge :up:

Nice work, that board is great and your quad is a monster, I saw some of your results with it (4.4GHz stable) and was very impressed. You have got the hang of the Gigabyte well for a DFI aficionado.


well im on the asus merry-go round once again.i call and ask to talk to the manager and the phone jockeys take my info and give me a new support ticket and they say someone will call,and of course if its like the last time no one does,so ill have to call again and do it all over again with someone else and the will tell me something similar about someone calling me but they never do so i call again this time im a little upset,cant explain myself clearly then they get some inkling of what im talking about and take some more info and tell me that they will have someone call me in the next hour,but no one does,and then guess what happens?nothing..........that is untill i call them again and again and again.

That's appalling service, I had no idea Asus were so bad. Heh, now I think back, Grnfinger actually convinced them to upgrade him after the nightmare he went through, and they sent him the wrong board. They can't even make up for their bad service & faulty hardware properly :rolleyes:

Hope you have better luck with them.

[seban]

I got this strange issue with MF2 and downloading.

When I start a file with IDM it goes let's say 2.5mb/sec then next file from list would go 2.3mb/sec and after 1h file will go 1.5mb/sec and the decrease rate will gradualy slow down so it is less noticeable but still present.

Probably you would say that my provider is stuffed and that can happen but when I put some speed meter or I watch firewall activity it will state all the time 2.5mb/sec and in fact I got very stable connection and 95% of time it is 2.5mb/sec.

Also when I stop download the meters and firewall will still be showing full activity and it will not drop down - and those are also not fake values because when I play some on line games pings r affected as with 100% loaded connection.

I already tested both LAN ports and in addition USB Wifi Stick - all the same. On my previous NF4 board all was fine and whenever I dont use network I download 24/7 so I am sure there was no issue like this.

The only solution I discovered "for hanging full load" is to disable Network adapter which is currently in use and re-enable it again (all from system lvl). Then it is downloading again full speed and slowly slowing down.

Very irritating.

Anybody saw something like this on their systems? Can you test it?

Cheers

------------------


...
I just bought a new HDTV and have a blu-ray drive in the mail to me that I want to output to the TV.
I have a 4870x2, so I'm HDCP compliant there. However, I want to output the audio via the onboard Optical SPDIF to my 7.1 receiver.


Hi m8,

I dont have ATI card but as far as I know they got DVI to HDMI adapter and build in audio chip to passthrough PCM sound up to 5.1 (DTS and DD5.1) so I would do it this way on your place and forget onboard spdif. With HDMI it is cheaper and less cables also it is less stress and tuning then with onboard spdif.

Unfortunately neither your ATI or onbaord will be able to passthrough any 7.1 standard to your amplituner (so no MHD DTS and or HD DD 7.1 for you my friend). If you would like to pass through any of HD Audio formats you would need to buy ASUS 1.3 Audio card sorry cant remember full name at the moment.

As an alternative you can decode all formats on your PC and send them via analog cables but then your room with all cabling all over the place, would look more like rain forest rather than cozy little cinema ;) (also if you would like to go this route then again you need good audio card for nice sound quality as all sounds would be generated by it - and MF2 free addition is kind of joke ;) - for pass through you need anything even 5e card would do as all processing would be done by amplituner).

There are nice forums focused on HTCP and HDTV like http://www.avforums.com/ or http://www.avsforum.com/ you can get all knowledge and answerer you need there.

[ndGreg]

As stated in my last post, after testing to get NB GTL I had 3 values that stopped Prime @ 9 minutes. -40, -60, & -65.
Not sure if this would make any difference or be correct, but what I did was, Ran Everest Cache and Memory Benchmark, and found that -60 had the better latency.
So thats what I went with.
-40= 54.1ns
-60= 53.9ns
-65= 54.2ns

[Darknezz]

Hello CryptiK would you mind posting your bios settings so i can compare them with my own for i am having some problems getting it stable. 9x500 with Bios 1901 I can prime for about a 1½ hour and thats it....

[WaterFlex]

Jor3lBR :up:

[CryptiK]

Hello CryptiK would you mind posting your bios settings so i can compare them with my own for i am having some problems getting it stable. 9x500 with Bios 1901 I can prime for about a 1½ hour and thats it....

Sure here it is.

CPU Clock: 4.23GHz
Processor: E8400 E0
BIOS: 1307



Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 470
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1129MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Normal
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Normal
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 40 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): 8
Write to Read Delay (S): 3
Write to Read Delay (D): 5
Read to Read Delay (S): 4
Read to Read Delay (D): 6
Write to Write Delay (S): 4
Write to Write Delay (D): 6

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: 14
Read to PRE Delay: 5
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
All PRE to ACT Delay: 5
All PRE to REF Delay: 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 8
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH4: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH5: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH4: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH5: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.33750 (1.272v load in cpuz, 1.263v load in LCD POSTER)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50000
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.25900
DRAM Voltage: 1.95900
North Bridge Voltage: 1.27225
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50000
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10000

CPU GTL Reference (0): +60mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): +20mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): +60mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): +20mv
NB GTL Reference: -60mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Darknezz]

CryptiK Thanks you. I think i have found the problem... Are you running your mobo with raid???

[Grnfinger]

Sure here it is.

CPU Clock: 4.23GHz
Processor: E8400 E0
BIOS: 1307



I see you run Load-Line Calibration: Disabled, clearly you are having alot of success running disabled. How much do you need to overvolt to compensate for vdroop?

[CryptiK]

CryptiK Thanks you. I think i have found the problem... Are you running your mobo with raid???

No I dont run raid, just a single drive at this stage. What do you think your issue is?


I see you run Load-Line Calibration: Disabled, clearly you are having alot of success running disabled. How much do you need to overvolt to compensate for vdroop?

I have 1.312v idle, 1.272v load (according to cpuz which reads slightly high) so 0.04v droop. Its fine for now, but I need around 1.32 - 1.336v for 4.3GHz stable so if I move up to that speed I will have to enable LLC to avoid going over spec at idle.

[xoldboyx]

Last run this time

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/500FSB.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/500FSB_22189.jpg
grnfinger could you please post your settings for that 495 fsb?
I m trying to reach with no chance ,and still havent read the whole thread!
thx in advance!

[CryptiK]

Well I can bench 3D at 4500MHz at 1.336v. Don't laugh at the score it's just a 8800GT, I got a lowly 57th on HWBOT with this score. Better than with my old cpu though.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/AQM45GHz774-1836-950.jpg

[radaja]

that is a really nice chip cryptik.very nice vcore.my e8500 needs at least 1.39 just to get into windows at anything above 4400ghz.i hope my new 9650 will be able to do great things at low volts

[Celcius]

I just got this mobo and noticed that it comes with an x-fi card. I've already got an x-fi xtreme music and I'm wondering if I should use the mobo's card and sell the xtrememusic or is the xtrememusic a better card?

thanks

[CryptiK]

that is a really nice chip cryptik.very nice vcore.my e8500 needs at least 1.39 just to get into windows at anything above 4400ghz.i hope my new 9650 will be able to do great things at low volts

Thanks I'm heat limited in going any higher than 4.23GHz for 24/7 it hits 68*C @ 1.268v at that clock and going to 4.3GHz pushes temps to 75*C+ which to me is unacceptable. Short benches like the one above are ok though it doesn't heat up too much.

Congrats on your Q9650, hope it goes well for you. There are some real gems out there.

[Evil_AnAnAs]

Hi, just bought this card for 100€ to break some WR with some p4 cpus. Can I use setFSB with this card? have been looking a long time for the clockgenerator but I can't find it. And If someone could give me a link to a page that could help med understand the settings with skew, like the cpu clock skew.

[radaja]

thanks cryptik,i hope i get one of those gems.what was the vid on your chip?is it one of the lower vids(the ones that run hot)?

[JoeBar]

I just got this mobo and noticed that it comes with an x-fi card. I've already got an x-fi xtreme music and I'm wondering if I should use the mobo's card and sell the xtrememusic or is the xtrememusic a better card?

thanks
Don't even bother with the included "X-Fi" card. Keep your XtremeMusic...

[Grnfinger]

Hi, just bought this card for 100€ to break some WR with some p4 cpus. Can I use setFSB with this card? have been looking a long time for the clockgenerator but I can't find it. And If someone could give me a link to a page that could help med understand the settings with skew, like the cpu clock skew.



http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40747

[CryptiK]

Hi, just bought this card for 100€ to break some WR with some p4 cpus. Can I use setFSB with this card? have been looking a long time for the clockgenerator but I can't find it. And If someone could give me a link to a page that could help med understand the settings with skew, like the cpu clock skew.

The clock gen is either ICS9LPRS918BKL or ICS9LPRS918JKLF, have a look at the chip that is half covered by the NB heatsink to the left of the NB itself, if you get the right angle you can read the number off it without having to remove anything.


thanks cryptik,i hope i get one of those gems.what was the vid on your chip?is it one of the lower vids(the ones that run hot)?

No strangely my chip is 1.25 VID but runs way hotter than other 1.25 VID chips I have seen, in fact its significantly hotter than my 1.225 VID chip so not sure what's going on there.

It's a bit irritating when a lapped true with mx-2, a solid mount and good fan can't keep up with cooling a dual core.

[radaja]

yea that is strange.maybe its just one of those prima donna chips that was born to be watercooled

[CryptiK]

Yeah seems like it. It appears to be about as hot as 1.1875 - 1.20 VID chips, I didn't think it would be this hot when i saw it was a 1.25 VID. Also it hit 77*C in about 5 seconds after starting IBT so it would have climbed higher if I'd left it running perhaps 80*C or more.

Watercooling concerns me though so I think I will be staying with high end air, I'd only gain ~10*C going to water anyway, and when I weigh up the expense & risk vs benefits it's just not worth it to me at this stage.

[radaja]

yep.same thoughts here,with my airconditioned air i dont think i would gain very much either.and like you ,WC scares me.i dont think i could forgive myself if something bad happened.too many things to go wrong.although some of the shots of the insides of peoples cases that WC look awesome(like nugzo's).oh well.also my first e8400 i couldnt run IBT cause of that same problem with heat,after 5 seconds it was nearing 70c.

[CryptiK]

Yeah one of my mates tells me watercooling is safe if done properly, with almost no chance of a leak or pump failure. I just don't like the fact that if something does go wrong, the chance of everything getting bricked is very high. Especially in a case like mine or yours with the PSU at the bottom, a leak would almost certainly take out the entire system, and if the pump failed when you weren't around I'd hate to see the temps things would get up to.

Watercooled systems really do look the part, and have far superior cooling ability than air, but it still concerns me, a lot. I am going to look into it more as I think I need to better educate myself about it before deciding, but from what i know, the tubes are about 2mm thick, you can get high quality clamps, the pressure in the system is pretty low, and you can get good quality pumps & blocks etc so I can see if done properly it could be safe, but I think it would be hard for me to feel comfortable using it. I'd probably spend minutes checking for leaks before each time I powered on, and every 10 minutes I was using the system :rofl:

[radaja]

I never even thought about the psu being on the bottom,for some reason in my head i just pictured coolant leaking all over the board and seeping into all the nooks and cracks as if it were laying flat.but thats even more frightening coolant getting to the psu and just frying everything.

[al-]

I never even thought about the psu being on the bottom,for some reason in my head i just pictured coolant leaking all over the board and seeping into all the nooks and cracks as if it were laying flat.but thats even more frightening coolant getting to the psu and just frying everything.

Whenever I think about water-cooling, I have this image of finding a puddle of coolant underneath my PC, on my wall-to-wall carpet :ROTF:

[Kayso]

Finally with Simps HowTo, I was able to make my Q9450 stable for 24/7 work. Now Prime95 is testing at home, so I will post screens later, but here are my settings:


Processor: Q9450
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 480
CPU Clock Skew: Auto (for now)
NB Clock Skew: Auto (for now)
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-960MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto (for now)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto (for now)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto (for now)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto (for now)
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto


3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.19
North Bridge Voltage: 1.45
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): -55mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): -10mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): -55mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): -10mv
NB GTL Reference: +60mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: +12.5
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: +12.5
North Bridge DDR Reference: -25


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Temp doesn't go over 65-66C and for now I'm pretty happy with it.
Unfortunatelly my memory doesn't boot at lower PL, no matter what I do. It just freez on DET_RAM and doesn't show boot screen at all. :(

And a question to Simps - how do you set GTL's to 00 ??? I don't have 00 as an option ?

[xoldboyx]

Finally with Simps HowTo, I was able to make my Q9450 stable for 24/7 work. Now Prime95 is testing at home, so I will post screens later, but here are my settings:


Processor: Q9450
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 480
CPU Clock Skew: Auto (for now)
NB Clock Skew: Auto (for now)
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-960MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto (for now)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto (for now)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto (for now)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto (for now)
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto


3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Auto
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.19
North Bridge Voltage: 1.45
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): -55mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): -10mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): -55mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): -10mv
NB GTL Reference: +60mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: +12.5
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: +12.5
North Bridge DDR Reference: -25


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Temp doesn't go over 65-66C and for now I'm pretty happy with it.
Unfortunatelly my memory doesn't boot at lower PL, no matter what I do. It just freez on DET_RAM and doesn't show boot screen at all. :(

How about 3dmark06?What score do u have?

[Kayso]

How about 3dmark06?What score do u have?

Here is your result and a shot:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3151/3dmark06xi6.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark06xi6.jpg)

btw. How do you manage to start your Corsairs at 1100 Mhz ? Any advices ? And how do you keep DRAM Static Read Control, DRAM Read Training and MEM. OC Charger, because when I put sumething else than Auto, always end with a blue screen ?!?

[Grnfinger]

Yeah one of my mates tells me watercooling is safe if done properly, with almost no chance of a leak or pump failure. I just don't like the fact that if something does go wrong, the chance of everything getting bricked is very high. Especially in a case like mine or yours with the PSU at the bottom, a leak would almost certainly take out the entire system, and if the pump failed when you weren't around I'd hate to see the temps things would get up to.

Watercooled systems really do look the part, and have far superior cooling ability than air, but it still concerns me, a lot. I am going to look into it more as I think I need to better educate myself about it before deciding, but from what i know, the tubes are about 2mm thick, you can get high quality clamps, the pressure in the system is pretty low, and you can get good quality pumps & blocks etc so I can see if done properly it could be safe, but I think it would be hard for me to feel comfortable using it. I'd probably spend minutes checking for leaks before each time I powered on, and every 10 minutes I was using the system :rofl:

Distilled water will not conduct electricity.
I had a leak once, my NB clamp was loose and coolant leaked all over the 3870X2 and my Sound Blaster, all was fine after everything was properly dry.
Water cooling is far superior and if done properly is totally safe. Plus its alot of fun

[CryptiK]

Yes I had read about using distilled water. That's the reason they use distilled water in lead/acid batteries. Still, when there are leaks using distilled water it causes issues so it appears to be somewhat conductive soon as it touches the mobo or graphics card etc? Safer than normal water though.

Well I have posted on Asus forums about the Phase pull-in issue. I tried to submit a query to the technical support but the submission form is (surprise surprise) not working. I cannot select product type or product model the drop down boxes do not open.

You can see my post here:

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20090123192347940&SLanguage=en-us&board_id=1&model=Maximus%20II%20Formula&page=1

Hopefully someone (if anyone here is a member there) can submit the problem to them on my behalf, we need this addressed ASAP.

[seban]

Water cooling is one of those things were benefit of having one is nowhere near of risk / cost / effort put into it (for me ofc :) - chicken :D)

I relay prefer to buy cherry picked CPU and play with it then play with OC then play with WC and eventually loose - most important time on setting up machine and OC rather then even money itself - i just dont have time anymore to waste.

BTW for ppl who has random reboots. In the end cause for them was SB voltage, which one exactly I dont know i bumped both to 1.2 and 1.55 following advice of Simps as I run both PCI higher then 100 and got 4HDDs and a lot of stuff connected to MB.

About my connection issue it looks like it was crapy version of downloader - installed new version and problems seems to be gone.

This weekend I will try go higher then my sig as CPU can do it easily - mobo is holding me back.
------------------------------


Don't know, I didn't tested. I will and post screens.

btw. How do you manage to start your Corsairs at 1100 Mhz ? Any advices ? And how do you keep DRAM Static Read Control, DRAM Read Training and MEM. OC Charger, because when I put sumething else than Auto, always end with a blue screen ?!?

What version of those Dominators u got? u will have it on sticker on HS.

If 1.x then they should clock easily If 2.x then your current clock might be your reality (at least this is what i read about them - no personal experience as I got 1.x).

Anyway you can up voltage on them for 1100 to 2.1+ (mine are working 2.15 as in singature - but passing test no problem 1160 PL8 on same settings - did not try higher)

You might need to adjust NBGtl ref or bumb NG voltage to do PL8 - just a thought (but on your cloks it seems that you have more then enough juce on NB tho I would try NBGTL ref)

You can find my settings for RAM (which are copy of some Grnfinger's settings for ram in the thread just look for my posts)

[radaja]

cryptik,i just submitted a technical support inqury for this issue.maybe if enough people submit this same issue,it might get the ball rolling.

[CryptiK]

Great thank you very much for that. I just tried again but the form is still not working for me.

Hopefully we can get this resolved. Functional pull-ins would be very nice indeed.

**EDIT - ok I have submitted my technical support inquiry. I hope this goes somewhere, I will continue to push them to resolve this issue if they try to brush it off or claim the pull-ins work. We all know they don't work, as we have all tested them rigorously. I have tested every released BIOS edition and they do not work in any of the BIOSes.

[dawdaw]

I'll send them a query about Pull-ins, just them me how and i follow:)

[CryptiK]

You go here: http://support.asus.com/techserv/techserv.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

and choose the maximus II formula and then fill out the form and submit it. I think you have to be a member first though, so sign up first, then do the form if that is the case.

Go here to sign up: http://member.asus.com/login.aspx?SLanguage=en-us

Thanks, the more people we get hassling them about this problem the better :)

[Kayso]

What version of those Dominators u got? u will have it on sticker on HS.

If 1.x then they should clock easily If 2.x then your current clock might be your reality (at least this is what i read about them - no personal experience as I got 1.x).

Anyway you can up voltage on them for 1100 to 2.1+ (mine are working 2.15 as in singature - but passing test no problem 1160 PL8 on same settings - did not try higher)

You might need to adjust NBGtl ref or bumb NG voltage to do PL8 - just a thought (but on your cloks it seems that you have more then enough juce on NB tho I would try NBGTL ref)

You can find my settings for RAM (which are copy of some Grnfinger's settings for ram in the thread just look for my posts)

I'm with v 1.1, so you say they have to be good. I will do some more test, but they can't boot at PL8 at all, neither on PL9 :(

[6apa]

I forgot about that issue CryptiK, i will check out my settings, i have been bumping different volts, so that is probably exactly what the issue is....:cool:

Hi. What s your Mobo OC settings? My Q6600 running 3,2GHz max:(
My english no good Sorry.:)

[screwtech02]

Well, getting any type of response from these guys is gonna take a while....:shakes:



Dear Valued Customer,:

Due to the traditional Chinese New Year, the online technique support service will be suspending for a period from Jan. 24th, 18:00 to Feb. 1st, 9:00(GMT+8)。
During this period, you can still send your mails to us and our system will record them.We will come back to work at 9:00 on Feb 1st and will give you a reply as soon as possible. Please wait with patience!
Thank you for your understanding! And sorry for the inconvenience！
Here we also wish you a nice new year and hope that everything is going well over there. Thank you!

Best regards!
ASUS Customer Service Center

[CryptiK]

Yeah I hope they get to it when they get back from partying it up. It says that if it has not been replied to in 48 hours it will automatically be raised to 'urgent' status.

I'll keep at it though, the fact the pull-ins never worked at all is just ridiculous, and every time I see them in the BIOS it annoys me.

[Grnfinger]

Well, getting any type of response from these guys is gonna take a while....:shakes:



Dear Valued Customer,:

Due to the traditional Chinese New Year, the online technique support service will be suspending for a period from Jan. 24th, 18:00 to Feb. 1st, 9:00(GMT+8)。
During this period, you can still send your mails to us and our system will record them.We will come back to work at 9:00 on Feb 1st and will give you a reply as soon as possible. Please wait with patience!
Thank you for your understanding! And sorry for the inconvenience！
Here we also wish you a nice new year and hope that everything is going well over there. Thank you!

Best regards!
ASUS Customer Service Center

:rofl:
Atleast Asus is consistant


I'm with v 1.1, so you say they have to be good. I will do some more test, but they can't boot at PL8 at all, neither on PL9 :(

I have a kit of Dominators that are ver 1.1 and they are sweet sticks, they will boot and are stable at 1200MHz PL7 on the MAximus Formula X38, and Rampage X48, but will not boot at 1200MHz on the Maximus II at PL 8,9 or 10, its very frustrating.
Have yet to find timings that will allow them to boot @ 1200MHz

[JoeBar]

Water cooling is far superior and if done properly is totally safe. Plus its alot of fun
QFT... :up:

[Eeky NoX]

Yeah I hope they get to it when they get back from partying it up. It says that if it has not been replied to in 48 hours it will automatically be raised to 'urgent' status.

I'll keep at it though, the fact the pull-ins never worked at all is just ridiculous, and every time I see them in the BIOS it annoys me.

Sorry I'm a bit late :D

This begining of year has been so busy with new hardware, that I left until page 83

So gat to know if you've updated to another bios than this 1307 to gat what you have now ?

Some members clocked any E8600 on air wit it like me ? Curious to know how much they achieve ^^

I'll work again on this board in a few days before getting an UD3P :cool:

THX Cryptik

[CryptiK]

Lucky you getting to play with new hardware :) I'm still on BIOS 1307, the new BIOSes don't add anything unless you are a quad user or your current ram isn't compatible and there was some issue with dual VGA cards they fixed, so I have no reason to upgrade.

Your e8600 is flying, nice work on that, what are your temps like because I cant use 4.3 & 1.336v without going over ~80*C on load with my current chip. I haven't seen anyone else using an e8600. I was going to get one but after looking everywhere I couldn't find any Q822A435's, maybe you can send me one :D

[Fragger]

Went to start my MIIF this morning and cmos had been wiped including 2 saved OC profiles, sweet I thought as I had saved a profile to a usb stick but when I tried to load it I got a message saying file not compatable (or words to that effect - cant remember exact wording). Blimey I have not removed battery or even touched the mobo. Anyone else had this happen to them?

Oh and dont worry about water cooling, honestly you will love it and the temps, I know I do. Its also silent:yepp:

[IcemaN22]

Guys, I got linpack stable 10/10 but after some minutes of playing I get BSOD (often driver not equal thing), and sometimes when I restart the PC, it doesn't boot correctly on the first try, then it shuts off, and turn on normal again with the clock settings. The temps are high but not to high so it would cause BSOD. I have tried to increase the NB from 1.29V too 1.31 and over, but then I can't post. Please what can I do to fix this?

here is screenshot from linpack

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4108/overclockformulaum9.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=overclockformulaum9.jpg)

[radaja]

well this watercooling is starting to really peak my interest now,i guess i was only thinking about the bad(what can go wrong).but there is all lot of interesting points being made in WC's favor that i didnt realize,for instance, up untill now ive been buying computer parts purely for the enjoyment of OCing,which is kinda sick considering thats all i do with the computer.i dont game,dont edit photos or do any of the things one might use a computer for.so really its just an addiction for me.spending vasts amounts of money to improve this computer,OC it, then a month later spend some more money on some new part to theroreticly make it better but why?so this is what i started thinking when someone mentioned WCing being quiet.i play guitar and thought maybe i should make a home studio with this computer.im pretty sure most of the hardware i have wil do.but thats where the idea of WCing would help out in the low noise dept. i dont know yet though,if i do this i would have to backup the files or cut back on the OCing to actually be able to do both.but then again maybe like an addict im just trying to justify another large purchase for my computer?are any of the full WC kits any good?

[CryptiK]

Went to start my MIIF this morning and cmos had been wiped including 2 saved OC profiles, sweet I thought as I had saved a profile to a usb stick but when I tried to load it I got a message saying file not compatable (or words to that effect - cant remember exact wording). Blimey I have not removed battery or even touched the mobo. Anyone else had this happen to them?

Oh and dont worry about water cooling, honestly you will love it and the temps, I know I do. Its also silent:yepp:

That is very odd, I have not had that happen. Is the battery dead perhaps? Do you power off at the wall and/or unplug your system at night? If it is and you do this could explain it.

When you are in the Bios does it say you are using the correct bios version? Does it work ok if you use the jumper and choose the other bios chip?

All I could suggest is try and reflash it if the other bios chip is fine and the battery is fine etc. It may even be a case of the bios chip going bad.


Guys, I got linpack stable 10/10 but after some minutes of playing I get BSOD (often driver not equal thing), and sometimes when I restart the PC, it doesn't boot correctly on the first try, then it shuts off, and turn on normal again with the clock settings. The temps are high but not to high so it would cause BSOD. I have tried to increase the NB from 1.29V too 1.31 and over, but then I can't post. Please what can I do to fix this?

here is screenshot from linpack



What are your NB temps like loaded? Is your ram/NB stable in HCI memtest and Orthos blend?

If it is all ok temp wise & passes all stress tests, perhaps adjust your NB GTL ref, I was totally everything stable except in games, and I found it was my NB GTL Ref.

Adjust it from say -80mv to +80mv and play games you usually crash out of and see if you can find a setting that makes you game stable. Once you do that, you need to re-stress test it, as after I found a game stable NB GTL Ref setting, I found it was not stress test stable (go figure) so I adjusted the NB GTL Ref more till I was stress test stable again and also game stable.

Also if you need to further raise vNB, you may need to increase Vtt (vFSB) as some boards have weird behaviour if vNB is too much higher than Vtt.

[Fragger]

That is very odd, I have not had that happen. Is the battery dead perhaps? Do you power off at the wall and/or unplug your system at night? If it is and you do this could explain it.

When you are in the Bios does it say you are using the correct bios version? Does it work ok if you use the jumper and choose the other bios chip?

All I could suggest is try and reflash it if the other bios chip is fine and the battery is fine etc. It may even be a case of the bios chip going bad.


My pc is never unplugged or turned off at wall, on a ups.
Bios version looks good and is rebooting now with OC still intact, cant imagine what caused it to drop all settings.
Im not gonna play with the jumpers as I really hate messing with those damm fiddly things, that what I love about this board, you no longer have to mess with jumpers woot.

Radaja you only OC?, man you are an addict ;)

There is of course one more reason to water cool...........

BLING!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/beveldrive/Water.jpg

I guess you could say this is my addiction but it is great fun. I have custom built alot of bits for it - espically proud of my reservior which was built from a bronze pipe and 2x 25mm thick bits of perspex.
Swiftech water block for north bridge and UV green hoses coming when I get some more bucks together.
Never had a leak as I run 7/16 tubing on 1/2 barbs for a tight fit and I clamp the hell out of every tube.

[radaja]

fragger that is just friggin awesome looking.that is one of the cleanest and coolest looking setups ive ever seen.great job!i mean its hard to make a regular case look clean and organized but see thru acrylic,like i said that is very nice and clean.

[Grnfinger]

Guys, I got linpack stable 10/10 but after some minutes of playing I get BSOD (often driver not equal thing), and sometimes when I restart the PC, it doesn't boot correctly on the first try, then it shuts off, and turn on normal again with the clock settings. The temps are high but not to high so it would cause BSOD. I have tried to increase the NB from 1.29V too 1.31 and over, but then I can't post. Please what can I do to fix this?

here is screenshot from linpack



I would be looking at your ram / MCH . Test your ram with memtest 3 passes.
If everything checks out up your NB volts a notch or 2.
Your tref value might need increasing

[CryptiK]

well this watercooling is starting to really peak my interest now,i guess i was only thinking about the bad(what can go wrong).but there is all lot of interesting points being made in WC's favor that i didnt realize,for instance, up untill now ive been buying computer parts purely for the enjoyment of OCing,which is kinda sick considering thats all i do with the computer.i dont game,dont edit photos or do any of the things one might use a computer for.so really its just an addiction for me.spending vasts amounts of money to improve this computer,OC it, then a month later spend some more money on some new part to theroreticly make it better but why?so this is what i started thinking when someone mentioned WCing being quiet.i play guitar and thought maybe i should make a home studio with this computer.im pretty sure most of the hardware i have wil do.but thats where the idea of WCing would help out in the low noise dept. i dont know yet though,if i do this i would have to backup the files or cut back on the OCing to actually be able to do both.but then again maybe like an addict im just trying to justify another large purchase for my computer?are any of the full WC kits any good?

Heh, you sound like me :) 90% of what I do with my system is OC, I sometimes watch DVD's and occasionally game, but that's about it. I used to use it for work but no longer need to.

I am also becoming more and more interested in water cooling, especially when its hot my temps are ridiculous. Benching is not an option in high ambients on air.

It's not that expensive either really. I would use 7/16 tubing on 1/2 inch barbs (like my mate recommended and uses) and use high quality clamps/tubing/pump/rad and fans. I'm definitely considering it now and trying to get over my concerns.


My pc is never unplugged or turned off at wall, on a ups.
Bios version looks good and is rebooting now with OC still intact, cant imagine what caused it to drop all settings.
Im not gonna play with the jumpers as I really hate messing with those damm fiddly things, that what I love about this board, you no longer have to mess with jumpers woot.

Radaja you only OC?, man you are an addict ;)

There is of course one more reason to water cool...........

BLING!

I guess you could say this is my addiction but it is great fun. I have custom built alot of bits for it - espically proud of my reservior which was built from a bronze pipe and 2x 25mm thick bits of perspex.
Swiftech water block for north bridge and UV green hoses coming when I get some more bucks together.
Never had a leak as I run 7/16 tubing on 1/2 barbs for a tight fit and I clamp the hell out of every tube.

Really nice rig I have not seen an acrylic case used for a long time. Glad your board is working again too.

[radaja]

cryptik, yea i think i might take the plunge into WCing.thanks for the info on the parts.i wish some who has a great WCing setup could just put together a shopping list for me as to what parts(like you just did) and what manufactuer for these parts would be best.

[CryptiK]

Yeah the manufacturer(s) are hard to choose, and apparently there is a lot of fanboism concerning that too so its hard to be objective without the knowledge. It's going to take a lot of reading to get up to speed.

[Sem]

Maximus II Formula is probably the best non-core i7 board out there for 24/7 usage.



i agree 100%

ive used many boards with my Q6600

Maximus Formula
DFI x48 UT T2R
Striker II Extreme

And the Maximus II Formula is head of shoulders above them all for stability and low voltage

With the other 3 boards my Q6600 needed at least 1.408 vcore to be stable at 3.6
And the DFI and Maximus Formula needed high amounts of vNB to be stable at 400FSB PL8

With the M2F i only need 1.368 vCore for the CPU to be linpack stable
(actually works at 1.344 but i always up it a notch or 2 to be extra safe)

As for the vNB and VVT i have them both at 1.28v 400FSB PL7 with 6GB ram
all rock stable not had a single BSOD (apart for some nv_disp ones) in the 3 months ive been using it

awesome board that looks great as well :up:

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3606/mf2primekm3.png
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5264/mf2linxav6.png

[Grnfinger]

Yeah the manufacturer(s) are hard to choose, and apparently there is a lot of fanboism concerning that too so its hard to be objective without the knowledge. It's going to take a lot of reading to get up to speed.

Come on get wet:D
Once you do you'll never look back at air cooling again....

There are alot of good sites to read up on, XS is good but there are some members that like to flame ppl for asking questions. But I suppose you get that anywhere. Newls1 would be a good source for information, his waterkeg is very professional, he could give you great advice on wc gear.
In the end everyones opinion will vary just dont buy Thermaltake:rofl:

[screwtech02]

Yeah the manufacturer(s) are hard to choose, and apparently there is a lot of fanboism concerning that too so its hard to be objective without the knowledge. It's going to take a lot of reading to get up to speed.

Dont let the whole tubing size thing sway you either, there is like 1-3 deg difference in the temps with tubing size. There is a good read about it somewere here, think Cather made the post/review.....

[Fragger]

Thanks for the nice comments guys.
Lately as the air temp is reaching 30 degrees its good to be liquid cooled.
As long as you use quality parts you cant go to far wrong, if you love hardware you will love water cooling.

[JoeBar]

cryptik, yea i think i might take the plunge into WCing.thanks for the info on the parts.i wish some who has a great WCing setup could just put together a shopping list for me as to what parts(like you just did) and what manufactuer for these parts would be best.


Yeah the manufacturer(s) are hard to choose, and apparently there is a lot of fanboism concerning that too so its hard to be objective without the knowledge. It's going to take a lot of reading to get up to speed.

Guys it's not rocket science... :D

Though i may sound a bit arrogant, it's not my intention. I just want to make a point that wc'ing is really easy for smart ppl and the shopping list is pretty easy to find. I know it may sound a bit scary now, i was aircooled in the past too, but once u setup one loop things will get way easier... :)

[Simps]

My pc is never unplugged or turned off at wall, on a ups.
Bios version looks good and is rebooting now with OC still intact, cant imagine what caused it to drop all settings.
Im not gonna play with the jumpers as I really hate messing with those damm fiddly things, that what I love about this board, you no longer have to mess with jumpers woot.

Radaja you only OC?, man you are an addict ;)

There is of course one more reason to water cool...........

BLING!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/beveldrive/Water.jpg

I guess you could say this is my addiction but it is great fun. I have custom built alot of bits for it - espically proud of my reservior which was built from a bronze pipe and 2x 25mm thick bits of perspex.
Swiftech water block for north bridge and UV green hoses coming when I get some more bucks together.
Never had a leak as I run 7/16 tubing on 1/2 barbs for a tight fit and I clamp the hell out of every tube.


OMG that looks so nice!!! I love that backplate on the GFX! Where is the rad? I f everything were inside the case it would have been ever better!

[radaja]

joebar,i am absolutely 100% percent sure i can put it together.my problem is everyone has always told me not to buy ready made kits,so the only thing im worried about is getting the right parts since i will be spending a lot of money again.i want to get it right the first time .dont want to be posting problems and have other people start posting,you should have got this or theres your problem that the wrong barb.get what im saying

[Fragger]

OMG that looks so nice!!! I love that backplate on the GFX! Where is the rad? I f everything were inside the case it would have been ever better!

Being a mid tower there is just not enough space to fit everything, it is very compact. I get better temps because the rad is external so it gets air which hasnt been heated by the system.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/beveldrive/Side.jpg

[Grnfinger]

joebar,i am absolutely 100% percent sure i can put it together.my problem is everyone has always told me not to buy ready made kits,so the only thing im worried about is getting the right parts since i will be spending a lot of money again.i want to get it right the first time .dont want to be posting problems and have other people start posting,you should have got this or theres your problem that the wrong barb.get what im saying

Swiftech makes a very good complete kit, the Apex H220, it comes with all the goodies needed, and its upgradedable later on, the pump is top shelf , you wont find anything better, the Apogee GTZ is on of the best blocks on the market, there res is very very good and alot of ppl use it, not me tho:p:..
There MCR220 rad is decent, it was able to cool my Q6600, NB and 8800GTS.
Alittle common sense is all it takes, never got wet b4 and my first time was a Swiftech kit, no problems installing, great instructions and there forums are stellar for information.
NOW GET WET!:D

[radaja]

that what im going to do,im sitting here typing this with a swim cap on,im ready.i think i just got the info i needed (swiftech ApexH220,ApogeeGTZ,MCR220) thank you

[IcemaN22]

What are your NB temps like loaded? Is your ram/NB stable in HCI memtest and Orthos blend?

If it is all ok temp wise & passes all stress tests, perhaps adjust your NB GTL ref, I was totally everything stable except in games, and I found it was my NB GTL Ref.

Adjust it from say -80mv to +80mv and play games you usually crash out of and see if you can find a setting that makes you game stable. Once you do that, you need to re-stress test it, as after I found a game stable NB GTL Ref setting, I found it was not stress test stable (go figure) so I adjusted the NB GTL Ref more till I was stress test stable again and also game stable.

Also if you need to further raise vNB, you may need to increase Vtt (vFSB) as some boards have weird behaviour if vNB is too much higher than Vtt.
♦
Thanks, you are the man :bounce:
GTL REF at -60mv did the trick, game stable whole day and linpack still stable.
By the way, I got 10fps more on this board on Farcry 2 benchmark compared to Asus commando with pci-e 1.1 (same settings and same cpu,ram) :up:

[chew*]

hey grn :D DI

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/492149.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=492149)

[xoldboyx]

Here is your result and a shot:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3151/3dmark06xi6.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark06xi6.jpg)

btw. How do you manage to start your Corsairs at 1100 Mhz ? Any advices ? And how do you keep DRAM Static Read Control, DRAM Read Training and MEM. OC Charger, because when I put sumething else than Auto, always end with a blue screen ?!?
ATM are in in stock speed,cause I was away from home for a few days.
best score i ve ever had with my rig:
(and that why I want 8x500 setup,so maybe I could do better score)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1707/17001ai2.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17001ai2.jpg)
17001 is not bad score for this card,right?

[CryptiK]

Guys it's not rocket science... :D

Though i may sound a bit arrogant, it's not my intention. I just want to make a point that wc'ing is really easy for smart ppl and the shopping list is pretty easy to find. I know it may sound a bit scary now, i was aircooled in the past too, but once u setup one loop things will get way easier... :)

Oh no, I'm screwed then :D :p:


Swiftech makes a very good complete kit, the Apex H220, it comes with all the goodies needed, and its upgradedable later on, the pump is top shelf , you wont find anything better, the Apogee GTZ is on of the best blocks on the market, there res is very very good and alot of ppl use it, not me tho:p:..
There MCR220 rad is decent, it was able to cool my Q6600, NB and 8800GTS.
Alittle common sense is all it takes, never got wet b4 and my first time was a Swiftech kit, no problems installing, great instructions and there forums are stellar for information.
NOW GET WET!:D

Good info thanks.


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Thanks, you are the man :bounce:
GTL REF at -60mv did the trick, game stable whole day and linpack still stable.
By the way, I got 10fps more on this board on Farcry 2 benchmark compared to Asus commando with pci-e 1.1 (same settings and same cpu,ram) :up:

No problem, good to hear that sorted it out, -60mv is also my NB GTL Ref setting.

[CryptiK]

Sorry for double post but this is worth it :)

I realized my ram and possibly NB were giving me errors in linpack (I'm yet to isolate which), so after getting the system stable by bumping them both up 2 notches, I found I was able to lower my vcore to 1.240v @ 4.23GHz. The LCD poster reports the load vcore as 1.237v although cpuz reports 1.240v, I'm not sure which s correct. Although I doubt I'll be able to lower it more, I will do some more testing later.

The screens below are from the same run, you can see the time/date and residual norms are the same in each SS.

10 trials of Linpack after 1 trial, you can see the load voltage
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/linpack10trialsrunning423GHz1240vDD.jpg

10 trials of Linpack finished, you can see the idle vcore, Vtt, vNB & vdimm
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/linpack10trialsfinished423GHz1240vD.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Small problem guys, wondering if anyone has some suggestions to fix my issues.
During some benching I hard lockd a few times, and hosed my OS.
Did a clean install eect ect, now when Vista loads up I have a dos window that pops up saying, "updating USB" or something to that effect, while this window is open nothing happens as far as the OS loading, it just hangs there,once the window closes Vista continues to load like normal, My problem is its taking longer to boot than normal and I have never seen this b4 Even on my second MIIF its not there.
Any ideas other than re install?
Maybe I should hunt a floppy down and go XP....




hey grn :D DI

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/492149.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=492149)

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Your going to get me in trouble, I think I should burn my wallett :D

[Gunnz Akimbo]

Ya know the tumbler fan the mobo comes with.

Well, i just attached it to the northbridge heatsink section, it sits fine at a 45* angle.
I have picture, but am backing up from USB drives atm, so when thats done i will link the pic. It looks cool, asus should make a angle mounted NB tumbler next time.

[Grnfinger]

Small problem guys, wondering if anyone has some suggestions to fix my issues.
During some benching I hard lockd a few times, and hosed my OS.
Did a clean install eect ect, now when Vista loads up I have a dos window that pops up saying, "updating USB" or something to that effect, while this window is open nothing happens as far as the OS loading, it just hangs there,once the window closes Vista continues to load like normal, My problem is its taking longer to boot than normal and I have never seen this b4 Even on my second MIIF its not there.
Any ideas other than re install?
Maybe I should hunt a floppy down and go XP....

Ignore that post, I had the wrong INF drivers installed 9001011 dont like my hardware much.:shrug:

[Gunnz Akimbo]

Here's the tumbler grasping onto the NB heatsink :idea:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1889/tumblerfitig7.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Looks good:up:, the Thermaltake Extreme Spirit vers 1 and II NB/SB cooler works also

[CryptiK]

Here's the tumbler grasping onto the NB heatsink :idea:

Looks good, how much did it improve your NB temps?


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4.3 GHz @ 1.280v (CPUZ) / 1.270v (LCD Poster) load, 1.320v (CPUZ) / 1.310v (LCD Poster) idle - Linpack stable :D

Linpack running (load)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/linpack10trialsrunning43GHz1280vDDR.jpg

Linpack finished (idle)
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/linpack10trialsfinished43GHz1280vDD.jpg

Everest
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/timbosan/Everest43GHz1280vDDR1147MHz5-5-5-15.jpg

[ChaosWDG]

You guys are getting some insane clocks on this board and im extremely tempted by it!!
Is there anything similar like a "Maximus II Extreme" for a DDR3 version? I really dont wanna go back to DDR2 when my g.skills overclock sooooo nicely

but seriously.. its an amazing board!

[JoeBar]

that what im going to do,im sitting here typing this with a swim cap on,im ready.i think i just got the info i needed (swiftech ApexH220,ApogeeGTZ,MCR220) thank you
An MCR220 would be a bit small for a cpu/gpu loop. Get a MCR320 or even better a Thermochill. A ones day reading should clarify your shopping list...

[shoehorned]

Ignore that post, I had the wrong INF drivers installed 9001011 dont like my hardware much.:shrug:

Grnfinger, can you tell me exactly how you fixed this? This happens to me all the time and I don't know to get rid of it.

[JoeBar]

Grnfinger, can you tell me exactly how you fixed this? This happens to me all the time and I don't know to get rid of it.
Install 9.0.0.1008 maybe?

[andressergio]

Small problem guys, wondering if anyone has some suggestions to fix my issues.
During some benching I hard lockd a few times, and hosed my OS.
Did a clean install eect ect, now when Vista loads up I have a dos window that pops up saying, "updating USB" or something to that effect, while this window is open nothing happens as far as the OS loading, it just hangs there,once the window closes Vista continues to load like normal, My problem is its taking longer to boot than normal and I have never seen this b4 Even on my second MIIF its not there.
Any ideas other than re install?
Maybe I should hunt a floppy down and go XP....



Grnfinger that ASUS PROBE soft that do that...remove it and re install it

Tell me if that works

Cheers Sergio :up:

[shoehorned]

Install 9.0.0.1008 maybe?

What application/driver are you referring to? The PC Probe?

[JoeBar]

Intel's INF driver.

[Gunnz Akimbo]

it did a good job of keeping the nb cooler than without it.

today the nb hit 67* playin L4D online without the tumbler attached.
just played some L4D bout 2hrs ago with the tumbler, nb didnt go above 56* - the ambient is very high in this room, no oxygen...

I have QFan enabled for everything, just wondering when the fan speeds kick up into full throttle, even though its whisper silent right now.
The tumbler does around 6000rpm and is a bit noisy, but with QFan its at 2700rpm, cant hear it.

[Kayso]

ATM are in in stock speed,cause I was away from home for a few days.
best score i ve ever had with my rig:
(and that why I want 8x500 setup,so maybe I could do better score)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1707/17001ai2.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17001ai2.jpg)
17001 is not bad score for this card,right?

Huh, and you call this stock ???
GPU: 792, Memory: 1063 LOLL, nice overclock :clap:

A made some tests with
8*450 with memory on 1080, like in my signature:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9762152

and 8*480, with memory 960 Mhz, PL10, both stronger:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9760708

144 points for 30Mhz FSB more, I didn't expect it :confused:



Here's the tumbler grasping onto the NB heatsink :idea:

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Nice! I will try it and share some results. Because after washer mod, change of thermal paste and everything what is written in forums to lower NB temperatures, mine goes about 55-58 and nothing less.

[Grnfinger]

Grnfinger, can you tell me exactly how you fixed this? This happens to me all the time and I don't know to get rid of it.

Yes Joebar is correct 9.0.0.1008 INF /Chipset drivers resolves this issue
Also do not install Asus Six Engine


Install 9.0.0.1008 maybe?
:up:


Grnfinger that ASUS PROBE soft that do that...remove it and re install it

Tell me if that works

Cheers Sergio :up:

I never install Asus crap, I wont even use there MSM drivers or Chipset.
I go to Intel for them

[radaja]

JoeBar,thanks.see this is the kind of info i need.i dont think i'll wc the gpu,just the cpu and NB.maybe the other common areas of the motherboard(SB? PWM?). so i think i'll only need one loop right? but any ways i'll read up on it.just been to busy OCing this new 9650.

[Fragger]

@Radaja One loop is fine and dont bother cooling the SB or PWM, just not worthwhile. My vid card benefited the most from watercooling, it dropped 30+ degrees :shocked: and no more screaming fan. :up:

[radaja]

fragger thanks,thats what i was thinking.and since i dont game i never put any stress on the graphics card,so i never hear the fan even come on.so i guess cpu and NB it is.thanks

[Celcius]

Just upgraded to this mobo from 780i and I don't plan on going back :up:

edit: I'm not used to navigating intel's site, could someone post a link of where to download the latest chipset drivers for this mobo? thanks

[CryptiK]

@Radaja One loop is fine and dont bother cooling the SB or PWM, just not worthwhile. My vid card benefited the most from watercooling, it dropped 30+ degrees :shocked: and no more screaming fan. :up:

Under full load on a hot day my board's PWM gets to 46*C+, this is using a true with no real direct airflow over PWM sinks except case rear and top fans pullng air past them. Guys with quads, especially watercooled, report PWM temps over 55*C. I'm not sure what constitutes 'too hot' though.


You guys are getting some insane clocks on this board and im extremely tempted by it!!
Is there anything similar like a "Maximus II Extreme" for a DDR3 version? I really dont wanna go back to DDR2 when my g.skills overclock sooooo nicely

but seriously.. its an amazing board!

There's no Maximus II Extreme. P45 and DDR3 is not a really good combination, they just don't clock ram very well with a nice low tRD (PL), the P45 is too weak. Add a quad into that equation and it's a poor performer. Your Rampage Extreme would be a much better platform, you should be able to get your quad to ~4.3 GHz on that board.


it did a good job of keeping the nb cooler than without it.

today the nb hit 67* playin L4D online without the tumbler attached.
just played some L4D bout 2hrs ago with the tumbler, nb didnt go above 56* - the ambient is very high in this room, no oxygen...

I have QFan enabled for everything, just wondering when the fan speeds kick up into full throttle, even though its whisper silent right now.
The tumbler does around 6000rpm and is a bit noisy, but with QFan its at 2700rpm, cant hear it.

11*C improvement is pretty good for such a small fan. At 2700 rpm it cant be moving a lot of air.

[Celcius]

This board makes overclocking a breeze:
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3539/ibtaiv5.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibtaiv5.jpg)
All voltages are stock except for a slight bump on the cpu. :up:

[CryptiK]

Nice work Celcius, 4 - 4.1GHz should be easy on that setup, your chip has a nice low VID. You will need an increase in vNB, Vtt and do some ram tuning.

[Kayso]

Here is my best 24/7 setup for now:


Processor: Q9450
Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 450
CPU Clock Skew: Delay 300
NB Clock Skew: Delay 300
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1080MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto


3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled (setting it to Enabled gave me some more preformance in Everest)
DRAM Read Training: Enabled (and some more preformance too)
MEM. OC Charger: Auto (it is on auto, because Enabled or Disabled give me always BSOD :?)
Ai Clock Twister: Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 8
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.16
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.19
North Bridge Voltage: 1.45
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): -55mv
CPU GTL Reference (1): -10mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): -55mv
CPU GTL Reference (3): -10mv
NB GTL Reference: +60mv
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: +12.5
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: +12.5
North Bridge DDR Reference: -25


CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

I will try to lower vFSB and vNB next weekend, because I don't have much time to play right now. This voltages gave me best stability for "Stronger".
http://kayso.hit.bg/mem.png

I can't go over 450FSB on 5:6 ratio, because my dominators sucks. I'm waiting for 4GB G.SKILL PC8800 [F2-8800CL5D-4GBPI], so I hope I will be able to run them at about 1150 Mhz with 480 FSB on PL8.

I rembered that a user made some test with PL on MIIF long time ago:


After i upgraded to 0601 BIOS i made some simply checks what PL level is beign set at different mem dividers. As follows:
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/8849/060123ml5.th.png (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060123ml5.png)http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/668/060134tq2.th.png (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060134tq2.png)http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5182/060145lj3.th.png (http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060145lj3.png)http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8103/060156ae7.th.png (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060156ae7.png)

I did the same test with my mobo, and I know, why my dominators can't run lower then PL10 on 6:5 ratio and lower than PL8 on 5:6. It is just impossible for this mobo :)

[Celcius]

Nice work Celcius, 4 - 4.1GHz should be easy on that setup, your chip has a nice low VID. You will need an increase in vNB, Vtt and do some ram tuning.

I think my temps at 3.9 are as high as I can go while being safe:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7505/occtaix8.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=occtaix8.jpg)
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1989/tempsaka7.th.png (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tempsaka7.png)

What would increasing the vNB and Vtt do, allow me to run with lower vcore or just increase stability?
Also, how high should I raise them?

[Kayso]

I think my temps at 3.9 are as high as I can go while being safe:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7505/occtaix8.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=occtaix8.jpg)
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1989/tempsaka7.th.png (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tempsaka7.png)

What would increasing the vNB and Vtt do, allow me to run with lower vcore or just increase stability?
Also, how high should I raise them?

1. Your chip is cold man !! You can go in Prime and OCCT to 70-74C without worries. In normal 24/7 use, you temps won't go over 60-64C! So go for it.

2. About vNB and vFSB - for my chip they did the job and I'm able now to run it on 450 FSB with 1.16vcore :) But you have to play with GTL's. There is very nice HowTo wrote by Simps few pages behind, and very nice GTL calculator made by Seban. You have to tweak your mobo and you will be able to lower your voltages and push your Dominators to the limit :up:

[Celcius]

^^Thanks for the encouragement, I'll keep pushing and let you know how it goes :toast:

[Celcius]

P95 failed after 1hr 15min. Raised the vcore from 1.280 to 1.296 and trying again...

[Nevin]

Hi everyone , today I tried to set 8x565 but it was impossible for me , so I need some help, if someone can post BIOS settings for 8x565. My CPU is 8600 (Q822A444), MB MIIF and 4GB Corsair Dominator 1:1(1130). I need a point to start pls help.

[Fragger]

Under full load on a hot day my board's PWM gets to 46*C+, this is using a true with no real direct airflow over PWM sinks except case rear and top fans pullng air past them. Guys with quads, especially watercooled, report PWM temps over 55*C. I'm not sure what constitutes 'too hot' though.


I have used the supplied Asus fan on the PWM beside the back panel which also helps cool the NB thanks to the heat pipe and the psu fan is sucking air over the other set which has a huge heatsink on it so I really dont think it would be worthwhile to watercool them. Asus knew this board would get watercooled, they even collaborated with Swiftech to produce a NB block just for it http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=241&products_id=24408

[loonym]

Hi everyone , today I tried to set 8x565 but it was impossible for me , so I need some help, if someone can post BIOS settings for 8x565. My CPU is 8600 (Q822A444), MB MIIF and 4GB Corsair Dominator 1:1(1130). I need a point to start pls help.Nevin, best place to start is the guide Simps wrote I think. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3572470&postcount=2718

[ATLNY]

This is my setting for the E8400 (Stable)

I will be getting the Q9650 soon
I would like to know if I can use the same setting or where to modify

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-850 MHz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Dram Read Training : disabled
MEM OC Charger : disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level: 10

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.36250v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325v
FSBT : 1.2v
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.32525v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enable
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[Celcius]

Using only 1.22v-1.24v now and trying to get cpu 24/7 stable @ 3.9ghz...

How do I change the VTT voltage?

[seban]

Using only 1.22v-1.24v now and trying to get cpu 24/7 stable @ 3.9ghz...

How do I change the VTT voltage?

Go with Simp's guide - it covers everything basically and even if it would not get u where u want while proceeding with it you will learn all the voltages and how to adjust them (options too) so u can make your adjustments knowing what r u doing.

And if u insist on quick quide:

1. Test highest or target stable ram clock - with mem test 2.1. (u know ram is not a problem)
2. Test target cpu speed with P95 Small ftt. (u know cpu can make it)
3. Test MOBO at target FSB and CPU and RAM with IBT or linx as starter 10 loops and for finall stability 12h+ with P95 blend.

At point 3 u will see what for is vtt :P and GTLs.

But just use Simps guide it is detailed and really good starter.

GL and HF m8

[folklore11]

eSATA.....
Anyone getting this to work in Windows XP Pro?

I loaded Marvel SATA driver and that completely wracked the system even causing my DVD drive to disappear. Now it is uninstalled. I do have Marvell controller IDE/esata enabled in BIOS.

I am trying to get the Thermaltake BlacX USB & eSATA docking station to work with eSATA. USB works well. Any help?

Post Edit

[CryptiK]

This is my setting for the E8400 (Stable)

I will be getting the Q9650 soon
I would like to know if I can use the same setting or where to modify



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-850 MHz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Dram Read Training : disabled
MEM OC Charger : disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level: 10

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.36250v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325v
FSBT : 1.2v
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.32525v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enable
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

You should not start a new cpu OC at 4Ghz. At that point there may be multiple problems and if so getting it stable will be a nightmare. You need to work up from a lower point (preferably stock speed with all stock voltages for board/ram/cpu) and find what settings you need to increase and alter along the way.

Start with the ram 1:1 and PL10, later you can try and find what the best divider is for your ram at the FSB you end up at.

[radaja]

grnfinger,is this the WC kit you were talking about?it looks like it has the right block. http://www.coolerguys.com/840556020998.html

[Celcius]

If you change your NB strap do you have to change your GTL Ref's again?

[CryptiK]

You mean NB GTL Ref? Not sure really, I choose strap/ram speed etc then tune NB GTL. NB GTL is mostly dependent on FSB and ram speed/timings, but strap can theoretically affect it. Also testing NB GTL Ref using games is also important. You can be stress test stable and crash out of games in seconds/minutes if your NB GTL Ref is not correct.

[Celcius]

Thanks

I'm looking at all the possible values on Simp's guide and noticed that the value for cores 0&2 is always higher than the value for cores 1&3. Is that always going to be true?

Also, VTT = FSB termination voltage right?

[Mypejon]

Looks good:up:, the Thermaltake Extreme Spirit vers 1 and II NB/SB cooler works also

hi all.. just want to say thanks to cryptix for give me guide for the washer mode..now nb temp drop from 54c to 34c..so happy coz just litle bit work as easy 123 then the temp all improve..cheer for the good guide..
i m using tunic tx2 with properly using 1 washer each screww and 2 washer for the n/b..
this my result while oc.e86
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/faizun/45gztemp40-1.jpg

last time oc e84..

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/faizun/45zz.jpg

[CryptiK]

Thanks

I'm looking at all the possible values on Simp's guide and noticed that the value for cores 0&2 is always higher than the value for cores 1&3. Is that always going to be true?

Also, VTT = FSB termination voltage right?

Yes 0/2 will (usually*) be higher than 1/3 as 0/2 use use the 0.635x multi and 1/3 use the 0.667x multi, and yes, Vtt is FSB termination also denoted as vFSB).

* - you can of course set the GTL Refs to whatever you want, you could use 20/20/20/20 if it worked better for you. Dont limit yourself to a few orthodox choices. try as many combos as you can, just remember/write down what was stable so you don't get lost.


hi all.. just want to say thanks to cryptix for give me guide for the washer mode..now nb temp drop from 54c to 34c..so happy coz just litle bit work as easy 123 then the temp all improve..cheer for the good guide..
i m using tunic tx2 with properly using 1 washer each screww and 2 washer for the n/b..
this my result while oc.e86
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/faizun/45gztemp40-1.jpg

last time oc e84..

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/faizun/45zz.jpg

No problem glad it worked out for you. Your temps look very good now, much better than 70*C on NB. Congratulations on reaching 4500 MHz :up: Is that stable or just screen shot?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Afraid I'll be resigning from the MIIF club, I got my replacement back and put it up on eBay and I have a bid. Wish I could say it was fun while it lasted.

[WhiteFireDragon]

when doing the GTL's, is "auto" the same thing as 0mV? i want to set it to +40 for core 0/2 and zero for core 1/3, but there's only choices for -5mV and +10mV with nothing in between.

[Grnfinger]

grnfinger,is this the WC kit you were talking about?it looks like it has the right block. http://www.coolerguys.com/840556020998.html

Yes sir thats the one, its a great all in one kit for first timers, and lots of room for upgrades, but really the only upgrade for that kit will be bigger better rad later on

[radaja]

grnfinger,thanks,there is the same kit but the plus version the only difference is the gpu block added for 100 extra,i think i might get that one.

[CryptiK]

Afraid I'll be resigning from the MIIF club, I got my replacement back and put it up on eBay and I have a bid. Wish I could say it was fun while it lasted.

Good luck with the sale. Hope you have better experiences with other boards.


when doing the GTL's, is "auto" the same thing as 0mV? i want to set it to +40 for core 0/2 and zero for core 1/3, but there's only choices for -5mV and +10mV with nothing in between.

Yes 'auto' is the same as '0mv'

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Good luck with the sale. Hope you have better experiences with other boards.

I'm having a lot of fun with my Gigabyte UD3P, and I may get a DFI UT P45 at some point. Of course now that I'm getting rid of my MIIF, I'm sure Asus will release some super BIOS update that fixes all the problems and turns it into a monster memory overclocker :p:

[radaja]

it doubt it.if they havent done it by now,i fear they may never get around to it.im sure theyre working on the latest stuff now.but hope is always a good thing.its what keeps us moving forward in life.

[Furiøùs]

After alot of tweaking, This board just refuses 500FSB. I had 490 stable for an hour than it did the same crash as 500FSB, so 485x8.5 is AWESOME.

I used the NB GTL at +30 thanks to Simps, which got it solid no problem. then i put my CPU GTL to +20/-20/+20/-20 which got me 4.144Ghz with 1 NOTCH OF VCORE BUMP!!! I went from 1.3875 @ 450x9 (4.05Ghz) to 485x8.5 (4.14Ghz) with 1.39175!

Amazing. but i tried all GTL differences and 500FSB is a no go, 490 is possible but meh. This is fast.

My memory is slacking now though, currently using 400Mhz strap @ 970 1:1 with the ram, but im getting 1150 ram and i can use the 333 strap and set it to 1177.

Cant wait. :)

[Gunnz Akimbo]

the last time i tried esata, it just ruined my windows install.
do you have to plug it all in, then turn the power on?

also, will the speedinghdd ports handle 2 seperate drives not in any raid mode?
i wanna swap back to single drives instead of raid-0, but like the fact that its on a pcie lane rather than the useless pci bottlenecked bus.