FOXCONN and 5:8 issue? - HIGH Dual Core FSB -

[hipro5]

Firstly I would like to dedicate this thread to "someone" who is a REAL quiter....
IF you don't have the pattience and the guts to "seek" and "find" the sweet spots of any mobo, then DON'T touch it in your hands and ruin it OR EVEN speek bad words about it.... :p: :rolleyes:
The BIG joke is that you were used with the DFI ones which had a LOT of settings into their bios and you SHOULD be some kind familiar about them.... :rolleyes:
DON'T expect to put the frequency and the ram timings and there you go.... :rolleyes:
You HAVE to "seek" each mobo to find out how it works....If you don't, then you're a quiter and nothing more.... ;)


NOW....

Just a couple of screenshots for now till I fix the bios captured photos I did so users to see them and boot at HIGH FSB with the 5:8 divider (1:3.2)....;)

This is with my crappy E8400 which did MAX screen 570MHz FSB on ASUS.....
I'm waiting for an E8500 that does well to test it.... ;)


HAVE you ever seen TIGHTER timings (or EVEN tRP = 4 with DDR3 Rams?) :)


http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/Bencies/580MHz_FSB.png

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/Bencies/550MHz_FSB_5_8_Rams_Super-Pi_1M_Fast_settings.png

[eva2000]

wow nice.. 880Mhz 7-5-4-14 1T :eek:

voltages used ?

[hipro5]

My CellShock rams always works at 2.28Volts
VNorth = 1.594Volts
VFSB = 1.4Volts (real)
VPLL = 1.5Volts

[LardArse]

Wonderful settings Georgie... I always like to see timings tight as these, but you have the High FSB to bundle with it too so that is one of the nicest performance settings I've seen one run on an X48!

[Pt1t]

very nice FSB and tight ram timings hipro :D

[hipro5]

Below are some bios settings for the E8xxx Dual Core CPUs with the 1:3.2 (5:8)....
This way your mobo will boot.....
These settings are on a RETAIL mobo..... :)

When boot into windows, you could change them via MemSet as the picture above or so....


http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/5_8_Boot_Settings/P6102812.jpg

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/5_8_Boot_Settings/P6102813.jpg

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/5_8_Boot_Settings/P6102815.jpg

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/5_8_Boot_Settings/P6102818.jpg

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/5_8_Boot_Settings/P6102822.jpg

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/5_8_Boot_Settings/P6102825.jpg


These are the "Boot settings" for the 1:3.2 (5:8) .....
VFSB is NOT 1.5Volts as bios shows......It is 1.4Volts REAL..... Bios always shows 0.1Volts more..... ;)

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[Monstru]

Vey nice Hipro, but the FSB looks like normal FSB for X38 or P35 boards, nothing special about that, except that it is on a BlackOPS X48 and many had problems with those. Still seems that BlackOPS is meant to be used with QX-es, not Wolfdales. However...rams are killers :D

Anyway, thank you for this great guide on DualCores and BlackOPS, I am sure a lot of guys will find these settings very useful and it will help a lot of people :)

[M.Beier]

Sorry, I have to answer the question;
Yes, I have seen tighter timings, and on DDR3 ;)

[Tuppen^^]

Seems that you've found your way with this mobo :)
Glad to see you ain't experiencing the problems many others have had :)

[hipro5]

Vey nice Hipro, but the FSB looks like normal FSB for X38 or P35 boards, nothing special about that, except that it is on a BlackOPS X48 and many had problems with those. Still seems that BlackOPS is meant to be used with QX-es, not Wolfdales. However...rams are killers :D

Anyway, thank you for this great guide on DualCores and BlackOPS, I am sure a lot of guys will find these settings very useful and it will help a lot of people :)

BlackOps makes steps these days, so we'd better be patience with them.....They give bioses every day with fixes and they make HUGE steps each time with them..... ;)

This mobo HAS FSB but it lucks with the dividers (1:3 and 1:3.2)...Now we have started to see some nice things going on and I'm SURE that in the end it will be a blast for E8xxx CPUs as well.... ;)

[massman]

So, you reached 580MHz FSB cpu-z screen stable, and 550MHz 1M stable ... great!

But ... at what FSB is it 32M stable? Is the board completely unmodified? More importantly: could you make a similar thread that does not start with offensive words? Do you have a really good retail board, or can 50% of all boards do this? How good is that E8400 in combination with other boards?

[hipro5]

Sorry, I have to answer the question;
Yes, I have seen tighter timings, and on DDR3 ;)

....grrrrrrr...... :D :p:

[Pt1t]

....grrrrrrr...... :D :p:

For High fsb clock , did you try CPU SKEW to 150 and less VTT voltage than 1.5v ?

[hipro5]

So, you reached 580MHz FSB cpu-z screen stable, and 550MHz 1M stable ... great!

But ... at what FSB is it 32M stable? Is the board completely unmodified? More importantly: could you make a similar thread that does not start with offensive words? Do you have a really good retail board, or can 50% of all boards do this? How good is that E8400 in combination with other boards?

THIS IS my RETAIL board and FULLY UNMODED..... ;)

I can bench 580MHz FSB all 3Ds BUT not with the 1:3.2 (5:8) ...YET...
I can bench 560MHz FSB all 3Ds (and boot at that FSB too) with the 1:3.2 (5:8)....
.....PLUS that you have to take care that this is just the "begining" of the Dual Cores Overclocking with this mobo...No?...... ;)

My E8400 ES CPU is completely crap.....It did on my ASUS mobos (Blitz Extreme, P5E3 WS Pro and P5W64) 3D Benchable ~ 550MHz.....PLUS that it NEEDS ~ 1.45VCore for 4000MHz...... :p:

.....as for the others....no comments...... :)

[Monstru]

George....I know what you mean, and we all appreciate their effort. But you know that Wolfdale FSB is limited by X48, just like X38 did, no matter what implementation, so this is not a BlackOPS problem, but an Intel problem. However.....maybe a P45 implementation from Foxconn...a new addition to the Quantum Force series.... would solve that problem, I just hope somebody doesn't need to be hipro5 to get >620 FSB on that :)

*Monstru grins and pets nice monster FSB Commando*

[hipro5]

For High fsb clock , did you try CPU SKEW to 150 and less VTT voltage than 1.5v ?

VTT IS 1.4Volts REAL.....and NOT 1.5Volts as bios shows..... ;)

[massman]

So, this can be reproduced by someone who's not part of (or related to) the QuantumForce group? If so, it's a step in the right direction, definitly :).

By the way, can this board do the same FSB's in combination with multiplier 9?

[hipro5]

So, this can be reproduced by someone who's not part of (or related to) the QuantumForce group? If so, it's a step in the right direction, definitly :).

By the way, can this board do the same FSB's in combination with multiplier 9?


IF FOXCONN has sent me a "regular retail" mobo and not a "super dupper" one, then YES ANYONE could do this..... Rams tested though were either CellShocks PC14400 OR GSKILL PC12800 with the Micron D9GTR chips....

multi x9 I have to put it under cold to test it..... :D

[massman]

multi x9 I have to put it under cold to test it..... :D

You understood my hint :D:D:D

[M3kk]

So, this can be reproduced by someone who's not part of (or related to) the QuantumForce group? If so, it's a step in the right direction, definitly :).

By the way, can this board do the same FSB's in combination with multiplier 9?

Yap :)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3050141&postcount=299

Nice guide, hipro.

How about 500 fsb with 1:4 266 333 or 400 ?
I cant boot with 500 ant that 1:4 ratio :(.

[M3kk]

Maybe my rams are bad..
I`m using SST ProiectX, binned by MickeyMouse...
I cant boot with your settings hipro, just with 500 , and setfsb to 550 :).

[ZillaPct]

Blackops is very fast this is my configuration......:D


http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_200806/20080610164308_blackopspower2.JPG

[massman]

.....as for the others....no comments...... :)

By the way, I reckon you're using the new bios on this board? One that wasn't available about a week, maybe two weeks ago? :)

[massman]

No answer? I'd like to know if this 580FSB is also possible with previous bioses or if it's because of this new bios that the 580FSB is possible ... :)

[Nosfer@tu]

TRULY GREAT HIPR05 ;)

Im glad you took the time to show what the board can do so we dont have to listen to anybody bashing it because they are mad because they dident get one for testing purposes but had to buy one.

[hipro5]

Yap :)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3050141&postcount=299

Nice guide, hipro.

How about 500 fsb with 1:4 266 333 or 400 ?
I cant boot with 500 ant that 1:4 ratio :(.

I booted 514MHz and 1:4 rams with older bios......I have the settings so I will upload them to you...... ;)

[hipro5]

By the way, I reckon you're using the new bios on this board? One that wasn't available about a week, maybe two weeks ago? :)

DO you want to see OLDER bios AND 530MHz FSB benchable.....?.... ;) :p:

[massman]

Yes, 530MHz FSB 2M/4M stable with an older bios :)

[M3kk]

I can do 530 with older bios too :D.

[hipro5]

Yes, 530MHz FSB 2M/4M stable with an older bios :)

There you are upon your request.....Don't take into consideration the score cuz it is untweaked..... :)

ALSO this bios (17.bin) is TOO aggressive and difficult to manipulate but it does 530MHz FSB AND 5:8 .... No?.....
With bios 21.bin it's WAY easier to do that..... ;)

FOUR MONTHS OLD BIOS .... :rolleyes:

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/Bencies/530MHz_FSB_2M_Stable_1.png

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hipro5/1_FOXCONN_BlackOps/Bencies/530MHz_FSB_4M_Stable_1.png


Now one question from me now (my turn :D )

AM I right about my VERY first sentences of this thread - YES or NO?.... :)


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[dinos22]

can you actually show some stable high FSB screens you mentioned please :)

:up:

can you let everyone know where you measure real VTT
are you also saying that setting higher VTT in bios actually droops to much lower voltage as your "friend" is claiming that he killed a CPU with 1.46v VTT selected in bios :confused: (thread is now deleted so i cannot 100% confirm whether it was 1.45 or 1.46 or whatever

[@rne]

I would be really interested in vTT and vPLL measure points:)


With G25, 550MHz FSB prime custom stable with ffts in place and 1,59vNB without problems:up: (E6700). Prime is running now for about 30 min without error:)

[massman]

I am reliefed it's indeed possible :).

What vtt and vpll are you using?

To answer your question: The deeper meaning of your words is correct: it's not because it doesn't work for you, that it doesn't work at all. Sometimes it's necessary to look beyond what you consider as the only truth, the only way to achieve results. For every motherboard you need to use different techniques if you want to tune it to perfection and sometimes the techniques you usually use are not enough. HOWEVER, I don't agree with the actual words you chose to express yourself as those are too offensive and even have a sense of aggression in it, which I don't need in a post that shows the power of the new bios. Words like this can upset people and I don't think that the BlackOps was designed to upset people (unless you upset people who you've beaten 3DMark with the help of the blackops :p).

Anyway, I've gone too much off topic here. Thanks for sharing your techniques, Hipro5, and thanks to the Foxconn crew for the new bios improvements ;).

[hipro5]

I can do 530 with older bios too :D.

:D

can you actually show some stable high FSB screens you mentioned please :)

:up:

can you let everyone know where you measure real VTT
are you also saying that setting higher VTT in bios actually droops to much lower voltage as your "friend" is claiming that he killed a CPU with 1.46v VTT selected in bios :confused: (thread is now deleted so i cannot 100% confirm whether it was 1.45 or 1.46 or whatever

OK......I'll upload pictures of measuring VFSB and VPLL...... :)

NO there is NO Vdroop at all neither at VPLL nor at VFSB..... VPLL is the correct setting into bios and reading is the same.....VFSB on the other hand has a 0.1Volts error into bios so when you chose 1.5Volts for example, it IS 1.4Volts in REAL.....1.575Volts in bios, IS 1.475Volts in REAL and so on...... ;)

P.S. I don't believe that anyone killed an E8xxx CPU by chosing 1.475VFSB cuz in REAL, it IS 1.375Volts..... ;)

I am reliefed it's indeed possible :).

What vtt and vpll are you using?

To answer your question: The deeper meaning of your words is correct: it's not because it doesn't work for you, that it doesn't work at all. Sometimes it's necessary to look beyond what you consider as the only truth, the only way to achieve results. For every motherboard you need to use different techniques if you want to tune it to perfection and sometimes the techniques you usually use are not enough. HOWEVER, I don't agree with the actual words you chose to express yourself as those are too offensive and even have a sense of aggression in it, which I don't need in a post that shows the power of the new bios. Words like this can upset people and I don't think that the BlackOps was designed to upset people (unless you upset people who you've beaten 3DMark with the help of the blackops :p).

Anyway, I've gone too much off topic here. Thanks for sharing your techniques, Hipro5, and thanks to the Foxconn crew for the new bios improvements ;).

I ALWAYS use with the E8xxx CPUs 1.5Volts PLL and 1.5Volts VTT which actually IS 1.4Volts VTT in REAL.....

As for the other off topic things I can understand what you are saying....BUT if the "other" IS aggressive TOO and doesn't EVEN trying how to make it work, I just can't handle it not to be a bit aggressive myself......sorry..... :(

P.S. YES BlackOps WAS designed to upset people..... :D :p:
You HAVE to be VERY stuborn with it to get the MOST out of it and in the end you will be reward..... ;)

[LardArse]

here u measure
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8176/2061796lg9.jpg

[@rne]

Thx!

[hipro5]

here u measure
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8176/2061796lg9.jpg


Ahhh......You're FAST..... :D
DID you used the BlackOps to post this?..... :D :p:

[hipro5]

I forgot to add ONE more tip for booting at 550MHz FSB.....

IF you guys get a "C1" error code and the mobo just stays there and do nothing, then POWER DOWN from the power button of the mobo and then POWER UP again (hit the same button).....It will power up with your settings....:)


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[LardArse]

Ahhh......You're FAST..... :D
DID you used the BlackOps to post this?..... :D :p:

heheh no i ripped SF3D's pic :yepp:

[dinos22]

some VERY interesting info in this thread

george don't forget to post those stable high FSB screens you mentioned pls :)

[hipro5]

heheh no i ripped SF3D's pic :yepp:

:rofl: :ROTF:

[dinos22]

I forgot to add ONE more tip for booting at 550MHz FSB.....

IF you guys get a "C1" error code and the mobo just stays there and do nothing, then POWER DOWN from the power button of the mobo and then POWER UP again (hit the same button).....It will power up with your settings....:)


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ROFL
that's what 790i does too hahahah

[hipro5]

some VERY interesting info in this thread

george don't forget to post those stable high FSB screens you mentioned pls :)

OK I will......BUT not right now cuz NOW I have to put away the "on air" mobo and give it's place the "LN2" mobo cuz I'll start to bench LN2 in a couple of minutes..... :p::D

[blindfitter]

[B]There you are upon your request.....Don't take into consideration the score cuz it is untweaked..... :)

ALSO this bios (17.bin) is TOO aggressive and difficult to manipulate but it does 530MHz FSB AND 5:8 .... No?.....
With bios 21.bin it's WAY easier to do that..... ;)

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Question, will be getting a Blackops on wednesday next:D this bios 21.bin is availble at foxconn? the latest I see their is G25 is this the one?

excellent info Hippro, gives me a starting point, I've got dom's 1800C7, to use will be following this thread, cheers

[nachthymnen]

You guys must to take a look at this 3d:)
635FSB on BlackOps+E8500 by 4 Italian guys:up:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191197

[HDCHOPPER]

exellent work hipro !!
your right thier ar a lot of ppl wanting everything eazy in thie part of the world hahahahaha (first senteance correct)

[jolliffee]

Thanks guys (hipro) this just shows the potential we have here with the Blackops, for us lesser mortals we need your results just to keep us in track!

[Solarfall]

mmmm i think i need to try a newer bios.. LOL..anyways this is all i could get out of mine so far

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/Solarfall_photos/superpi08625s.jpg

the setup

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/Solarfall_photos/DSCN1137.jpg

some bios screenies that you guys might find handy

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/Solarfall_photos/DSCN1136.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/Solarfall_photos/DSCN1129.jpg

[M3kk]

Cpuz 1.44.2 reads the vcore correctly?
Isnt that vcore kinda big for that freq? :)

[Solarfall]

Cpuz 1.44.2 reads the vcore correctly?
Isnt that vcore kinda big for that freq? :)

yeah it is..lol but it was the only way i could get my chip to boot into windows

[M3kk]

Why 1.44.2 reads the vcore well for blackops, but 1.45 - 1.46 isnt? :(