[Newegg] XIGMATEK HDT-S1284

[evil-98]

didnt know if anyone knew, didnt do a search but ill post it anways

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233017

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/35-233-017-02.jpg

[Das Capitolin]

Nobody seemed to listed to me when I said that Benchmark Reviews had tested the final version. I tried to tell you guys.

[Spawne32]

Xigmatek is gona have some explaining to do.

[vengance_01]

hum interesting. Kinda Pricey. the old S1283 will still be the better buy.

[loonym]

Nobody seemed to listed to me when I said that Benchmark Reviews had tested the final version. I tried to tell you guys.I was listening :D You had to know if they're shipping retail packages to reviewers that they aren't unfinished samples. They had to have a whole storeroom full of them.


Xigmatek is gona have some explaining to do.:shrug: To who?? End users? I ordered one yesterday.

[loonym]

hum interesting. Kinda Pricey. the old S1283 will still be the better buy.I don't want to compare it to an s1283. I want to put a big panaflo on it and see how it compares to my trues on overclocked quads :D

[poohball]

oh well, hope people won't buy it to upgrade their S1283, cuz I doubt there will be any.

[poohball]

I don't want to compare it to an s1283. I want to put a big panaflo on it and see how it compares to my trues on overclocked quads :D

I actually thinking about that too, I suspect that it is same as TRUE and need a stronger fan to make it shine.

[poohball]

hum interesting. Kinda Pricey. the old S1283 will still be the better buy.

yeah, judging it with nickel and led fan, this should be the version just like the RS1283, I wonder if they gonna come out the regular version not the luxury version.

[Das Capitolin]

I was listening :D You had to know if they're shipping retail packages to reviewers that they aren't unfinished samples. They had to have a whole storeroom full of them.

I'm so glad someone was picking up what I was laying down! :cool:

As for the TRUE: I have been retesting that cooler every day with different fans. My conclusions: it cools far better with high-output fans because of the dense fin array, and doesn't cool so well in high ambient (room) temperatures (24-28C). That's in stock form...

... but if you lap the surface, and add a medium-output fan series to the front and back for a push/pull configuration, the TRUE is top-notch!

In the next week I have a very detailed TRUE vs Vendetta 2 vs HDT-S1283 article coming out... which might include the Achilles S1284 v2 if it comes to me in time.

[poohball]

I'm so glad someone was picking up what I was laying down! :cool:

As for the TRUE: I have been retesting that cooler every day with different fans. My conclusions: it cools far better with high-output fans because of the dense fin array, and doesn't cool so well in high ambient (room) temperatures (24-28C). That's in stock form...

... but if you lap the surface, and add a medium-output fan series to the front and back for a push/pull configuration, the TRUE is top-notch!

In the next week I have a very detailed TRUE vs Vendetta 2 vs HDT-S1283 article coming out... which might include the Achilles S1284 v2 if it comes to me in time.



question, so for example... if 2 1500rpm fan front and back and 1 3000rpm (ultra kaze)....which setup will cool better? assuming room temp is 24-28? (CALI pretty much falls into that range)

[tuksonrider]

Fin density on the Xig is pretty sparse so it doesn't make a huge difference on CFM of the fan. It's pretty efficient with lower rpm/cfm (thus lower noise) fan.

I have the Scyth Ultra Kaze 3000 mounted on my Kingwin RVT-12025. I tested the stock fan (Full 1500rpm) vs the Ultra Kaze 3000 (full RPM). With the SAME ambient room temp, and same OC with voltage, the Scyth gave me a -1C avg difference using Prime95 SMALL FFT for 15min. The noise though was atrocious on the Ultra Kaze. I couldn't justify using full RPM and the resulting noise for 1C difference *shrugs*

[SKYMTL]

Nobody seemed to listed to me when I said that Benchmark Reviews had tested the final version. I tried to tell you guys.

Olin, you seem to have completely contradicted yourself:

According to Xigmatek, there probably aren't any differences since NewEgg decided to go ahead and begin shipping this first version of the product. Benchmark Reviews tested this version of the product, and will receive the second retail version of the Achilles when it is made available in a few more weeks. All in all, it's not a bad product; especially for AMD processors..

From here: LINK (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3005051&postcount=108)

So, which one is it? There is a Final version and a Final Final Version?

[poohball]

i guess don't really matter, I ordered a kaze 3000 along with S1284, let see what sup lol

[Das Capitolin]

What I meant was that Xigmatek had sent me the final version... or at least as far as they knew at that point in time. It wasn't until I revealed their design flaw that they went and ordered a redesign. Know I realize that philosopically, nothing is ever final, but I believe they meant the version they sent Benchmark Reviews to be 'it'.

Now we know it was, but my Xigmatek sources tell me the design is being 'adjusted' and that the new revisions will be available in product around the first part of June.

[loonym]

The photo I saw with the sharpie outline of the ihs on it didn't look bad. If I'm getting good contact over the cores I think it's enough. If they can make it better then I'm all for it but I'm going to run a current one on one of of my 3600mhz quad crunchers. With a different fan than stock of course, either panaflo or one of those big mama 120x38 sythes.

[Loser777]

Does this really outperform the TRUE? Benchmarks said it doesn't.

[SKYMTL]

Now we know it was, but my Xigmatek sources tell me the design is being 'adjusted' and that the new revisions will be available in product around the first part of June.

In that case would you recommend potential customers wait until this new version is released?

[Das Capitolin]

In that case would you recommend potential customers wait until this new version is released?

I think that this is a good cooler as it stands now, without changes. It's not the best, but rather it performs among the best (after you upgrade the fan). The contact area is reduced, but not so much that it would have a very negative impact.

My advice is this:

If you want an outstanding product right out of the box, the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 with stock fan will do very well. The Kingwin RVT-12025 is a clone, but uses a low-output fan which is not going to perform well for overclockers.

An out of the box Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme needs a very high-output fan (or two medium output fans) to overcome the dense fin array before you'll get performance matching the HDT-S1283/RVT-12025.

If you will actually commit yourself to lapping surfaces, then the Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme with high-output fans is a great product that can't be matched.

[mrcape]

How are Zalman ZM-F3 120mm for push pull? (For a new open air setup with either the Xigmatek or a True)

I have a few extra Zalmans and a pile of San Ace 38mm big boys that are similar to the Panaflows or Deltas. What's better, push pull with the zalmans or one big San Ace fan?

I currently just use one of the San Ace on a normal TR Ultra 120 and it cools like a champ. I'm ordering a Xigmatek and True because doing this comparison looks kinda fun.

Finally, does the Achilles version come with the crossbow mounting kit?

[Das Capitolin]

I have not tested with any Zalman fans; but two fans of 40~CFM each in push pull do not equal one 80~CFM fan. It would take two 60~CFM fans to come close.

The Achilles does not come with the Crossbow mounting system; however, we used this Crossbow system for all of our tests referenced here:
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=151&Itemid=1

[biftek.]

What exactly is the design flaw you think their changing?

I didn't keep up on the last thread very well...




And it makes since that retailers are selling the early version. What were they (xigmatek) supposed to do? Bite the bullet on a couple thousand coolers, and not make any profit?
If they did that consumers would have to pay more for the "final version".

[Das Capitolin]

What exactly is the design flaw you think their changing?

I didn't keep up on the last thread very well...

To be clear, they have only said that there will be a replacement version introduced in June. I am not making any promises, because some of the information they have released to me has been contradictory. If they do as they say, the new version will address the contact area of the pipes so that the entire processor is covered.

[mrcape]

Anyone know where I can pick up the crossbow kit? Is there a backplate kit for the OCZ cooler?

[mrcape]

It's pretty awesome that these are selling for approx $40. I talked a noob buddy through a purchase and install of the 1283 over the phone, and it gave him great load and idle temps with just the push pins. He's running 8400 @ 4ghz 1.35vcore with blend load temps around 56c.

[Das Capitolin]

In the next week I have a very detailed TRUE vs Vendetta 2 vs HDT-S1283 article coming out...

Finally... Vendetta 2 vs TRUE vs HDT-S1283 (http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156&Itemid=1)

[Spawne32]

I finally did get around to buying the S1284 btw now that this thread comes back up, it should be in this weekend, thermalright was also kind enough to send me a TRUE Black edition, cant wait to see the results, also planning on making a few changes to where the reviews will be posted but thats a secret ;)

[Das Capitolin]

I was told by Loren at Thermalright that it performs identically to the TRUE, since it is the same exact cooler but with a black finish.

[Spawne32]

I was told by Loren at Thermalright that it performs identically to the TRUE, since it is the same exact cooler but with a black finish.

I dunno yet myself as it still hasnt arrived at JFK according to the tracking, i guess we'll find out though. :shrug:

[JokerCPoC]

I don't want to compare it to an s1283. I want to put a big panaflo on it and see how it compares to my trues on overclocked quads :D

panaflo? Give Me a Delta anytime. Sure panaflo's are nice fans, I just prefer Delta. :D

[vengance_01]

can't wait to see your results.

[Spawne32]

Xigmatek tells me that the new Achillies will be ready next week, im not sure when the sample will be in, i have both the original one that Newegg has been selling people, and ill compare it against the new one for you.

[khamo]

Finally... Vendetta 2 vs TRUE vs HDT-S1283 (http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156&Itemid=1)

Good review but the differences bw the performance are marginal. It all comes down to cost, compatibilty and taste. Anyway the debate is moot as 4 HDT coolers are here. ie sunbeam. I wish that was included in comparison. Mybe next time along with the new HDT-S1284

[Bubbinator91]

Does anybody know if the new achilles is out yet?

[Das Capitolin]

Does anybody know if the new achilles is out yet?

My contact instructed me to request the new unit from him during Computex on 6/4, so he could ship it to me directly. I did that, and here we are two weeks later with no updates and no new product.

I'm beginning to think there might not be a revised version.

[Spawne32]

My contact instructed me to request the new unit from him during Computex on 6/4, so he could ship it to me directly. I did that, and here we are two weeks later with no updates and no new product.

I'm beginning to think there might not be a revised version.

tony told me the other day that they are shipping the version 2 review samples...yesterday actually

[Das Capitolin]

tony told me the other day that they are shipping the version 2 review samples...yesterday actually

Oh! That's great news. I'm glad someone is keeping me updated.

[Bubbinator91]

tony told me the other day that they are shipping the version 2 review samples...yesterday actually
Cool. When do you think the revised version will be out to retail?

[Spawne32]

Cool. When do you think the revised version will be out to retail?

I dont know, and i dont want to make any promises that there is a "revised version", so far the only thing xigmatek is advertising on their site is the one that is already out. Personally i think the whole thing is bullcrap but if there is a revised version ill be testing it whether they send a sample or not.

[mariosimas]

Silenx has a similar cooler:

IXC-120HA2


http://www.silenx.com/ixc-120ha2-base-large.jpg

http://www.silenx.com/ixc-120ha2-baseangle-large.jpg

http://www.silenx.com/ixc-120ha2-twofans-large.jpg

FrostyTech review (http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2272)

sounds good

[rusty]

when is True Copper edition coming out?

[Spawne32]

id like to point out that anything silenx makes me want to barf, and that silenx is a generic design from sunbeamtech ;)

[Das Capitolin]

id like to point out that anything silenx makes me want to barf, and that silenx is a generic design from sunbeamtech ;)

You're entitled to your own opinion, but Xigmatek is a generic design of another company as well. There's a particular manufacturer that holds the patent on all of the HDT coolers, and Xigmatek licenses from them (and so does Zaward, OCZ, Kingwin, and a few others).

[Das Capitolin]

when is True Copper edition coming out?

Spawne? I haven't heard of anything beyond the TRUE Black edition, and Thermalright isn't exactly on my radar right now.

[emoners]

Spawne? I haven't heard of anything beyond the TRUE Black edition, and Thermalright isn't exactly on my radar right now.

there was a display during the Computex but it won't go on retail.

http://en.expreview.com/img/computex08/0604/thermalright/dsc_2281.jpg

ComputeX’08 Coverage - Sorry but no U120E cooper version. (http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/05/computex08-coverage-sorry-but-no-u120e-cooper-version/)

Seems we did not make things clear yeaterday, beceasue today a Thermalright rep expains that company actually have no plan for producing Ultra 120 Extreme full cooper version. The cooler in this pic is only for ComputeX display only. It is said that the weight will broke any mobo so they won’t debut such a product.

[mariosimas]

You're entitled to your own opinion, but Xigmatek is a generic design of another company as well. There's a particular manufacturer that holds the patent on all of the HDT coolers, and Xigmatek licenses from them (and so does Zaward, OCZ, Kingwin, and a few others).

so the coolers are wall very similar in perfomance. the price will decide the best buy.

[Spawne32]

You're entitled to your own opinion, but Xigmatek is a generic design of another company as well. There's a particular manufacturer that holds the patent on all of the HDT coolers, and Xigmatek licenses from them (and so does Zaward, OCZ, Kingwin, and a few others).

yes i know this already, i was told that xigmatek owned the exclusive rights to it but how true that is i dont know, also, i was told today that the review sample will ship out monday now, and that they are not allowed to show pictures of it due to NDA :ROTF:

[Spawne32]

there was a display during the Computex but it won't go on retail.

http://en.expreview.com/img/computex08/0604/thermalright/dsc_2281.jpg

ComputeX’08 Coverage - Sorry but no U120E cooper version. (http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/05/computex08-coverage-sorry-but-no-u120e-cooper-version/)

yeh thats the one, i just dont see why they would go through all the trouble to tease us though :p:

[Das Capitolin]

yes i know this already, i was told that xigmatek owned the exclusive rights to it but how true that is i dont know, also, i was told today that the review sample will ship out monday now, and that they are not allowed to show pictures of it due to NDA :ROTF:

:ROTF::rofl:

You gotta love the excuses. Also, the patent owner is out of Taiwan, and they license to whomever will pay the fee. Looking at Kingwin, OCZ, and two others (nameless Taiwanese companies), Xigmatek is not exclusive. I'm sure they wish they were, though.