A short story behind Corsair Dominator @ DDR3-2462 CL9

[bachus_anonym]

Hi there, guys!

Some of you probably already read on other hardware sites on the Web that we hit DDR3-2462 CL9 with Corsair Dominator. I decided that I might have to "explain myself", to those of you I grew up with in Xtreme Bandwidth section on XS, place I call home :) This is also the chance for me to come by again, and say hi, even though I constantly pay attention to you guys pushing the limits here everyday - awesome 15k @ 2200 Jody, sweet 11m @ 4G Spi32M dinos, nice 1200+ on 9136C5 George, and more!

So here it goes...

All this was a it "on the side" activity during some test we've been doing at very high DDR3 speeds on Intel X48 chipset. Then I decided, what a hell, let's go, and see how far I can crank up those babies. Natually, I had to find a spot for SuperPi 32M. Nothing tweaked here, no copy-waza, maxmem and all the good stuff, not this time at least. Fruits of the work below :)

http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/Dominator.gif

Setup:

Motherboard: Asus P5E3 Premium
Memory: Corsair Dominator 2133C9 "in the works"
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
CPU cooling: Corsair Nautilus 500
NB cooling: stock, 120mm fan blowing across

Voltages for:
DDR3-2462 CL9 DDR3-2268 CL9 DDR3-2228 CL9 SuperPi 32M

vDD = 2.30v vDD = 2.10v vDD = 2.10v
vNB = 1.71v vNB = 1.71v vNB = 1.71v
vPLL = 2.30v vPLL = 2.10v vPLL = 2.10v
vFSB = 1.30v vFSB = 1.30v vFSB = 1.30v



As you can see, there's not much extreme about this setup's cooling.


Absolute MAX achieved DDR3 speed

--- Click image for DDR3-2462 CL9 CPU-Z Validation ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2462C9_CPUZvalidation.gif
(http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=361829)

MAX achieved DDR3 speed in dual-channel configuration (2 DIMMs)

--- Click image for DDR3-2268 CL9 CPU-Z Validation ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2268C9_CPUZvalidation.gif (http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=360137)

Dual SuperPi 32M at DDR3-2228 CL9 (2 DIMMs)

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http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2228C9_DualHyperPi32M_small.gif (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2228C9_DualHyperPi32M.gif)

SuperPi 32M at DDR3-2228 CL9 (2 DIMMs)

--- Click image for larger version ---
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2228C9_SingleHyperPi32M_small.gif (http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2228C9_SingleHyperPi32M)


So, that's the story! Hit me up here, if you need an urge to ask a question :D


Greetings to all XB pushers,

:toast:

[metro.cl]

Great achivement, i have some question about volts specially about vPLL you needed that much for high FSB? also with GTL_Ref did you use for the FSB? which BIOS? how about CAS8 tests?.

Really impresive Bachus and nice to see you here :)

[dinos22]

awesome results particularly because it's Intel chipset i must say

great RAM and great mobo :up:

[EnJoY]

Holy $h!t!!!! 2462MHz with 2.3v on X48! That is awesome Bachus! :clap:

And very nice to see you again, you should really show your face more. All we have these days from corsair is some guy with a yellow beard? :p: j/k

[Eldonko]

Excellent BA, good to see you in XB again. :up:

[M.Beier]

Nice :)
I want a board that can go that high !!!

Bach, what chips?

[bachus_anonym]

Great achivement, i have some question about volts specially about vPLL you needed that much for high FSB? also with GTL_Ref did you use for the FSB? which BIOS? how about CAS8 tests?.

Really impresive Bachus and nice to see you here :)Hi metro! After 550FSB/2200DDR, increasing vPLL from Auto (around 1.95-2.00v) to 2.20v was a must, and then 600FSB/2400DDR was a no go, unless I bumped it to 2.30v. On another hand, 533FSB/2133DDR is a walk in the park :). CPU GTL Ref was at 66%, and BIOS I used in essence 0301. These modules would run whatever I throw at them @ 2000C8 at 1.90v on P5E3 Premium.
awesome results particularly because it's Intel chipset i must say

great RAM and great mobo :up:Yeah, it will do :) Asus P5E3 Premium has a lot of potential if set up right. All it needs is some kick a$$ RAM ;)

Holy $h!t!!!! 2462MHz with 2.3v on X48! That is awesome Bachus! :clap:

And very nice to see you again, you should really show your face more. All we have these days from corsair is some guy with a yellow beard? :p: j/kThanks, man! They don't let me out anywhere anymore, hehe! But I secretly watch what's up on XS everyday :)

Excellent BA, good to see you in XB again. :up:Heellooo... :)

Nice :) I want a board that can go that high !!!

Bach, what chips?Hey! Hmm, chips... Something else for a change ;)

[M.Beier]

IC's :D
Im not talking about "Sour Onion princles" :D

Btw... Im suprised by the big difference between single and dualchannel.... This must be due chipset...?
Bachus, do you have a RAM-tester? I imagine Corsair have a few....? Can you please by chance test some IC's on it?

JNL / GTS / JNM / GTR, see if ANY hit 1500mhz+ (DDR3-3000) at CL9-9-9-xx

Thanks,
Marc

[dinos22]

Thanks, man! They don't let me out anywhere anymore, hehe! But I secretly watch what's up on XS everyday :)


quite the contrary
from what i could see you are the one not happy when they pull you out of the lab :ROTF:

see you soon mate...catching a plane in a couple of hours :D

[[XC] gomeler]

Fantastic ram there :up: Wonder if you could gain anything by cooling the northbridge slightly below ambient.. sounds like it's time to setup a waterloop with some ice cubes :cool:

[Parad0x]

Hey! Hmm, chips... Something else for a change ;)

could it be a non-micron chip?:rolleyes:

congrats on the WR!:up:

[BulldogPO]

Want to see chips these sticks use :D

[nut311]

wow....amazing roxxxies corsair:up:
what chip used? jnm/jnl or gtt

[K404]

isnt 2.00vPLL for auto a bit high, especially for 45nm?

congrats on the MHz ;) I appreciate the question might be straying towards off-topic, but seeing as 2.20vPLL was damanging Team Japans 65nm chips back in the day, I think its an important area to have info on, before people are inspired by your results and try it for themselves...

:)

Cheers!

K

[Monstru]

The clocks are amazing. What do you think will be the highest rated kit that would go on the retail market? 2133C9 or do you guys have even more up your sleeve? :)

[saaya]

Xtreme Bandwidth section on XS, place I call home :)your an outdoor guy then i guess? :D havent seen you for ages! good to see your back... for a few days at least :D


Bachus, do you have a RAM-tester? I imagine Corsair have a few....? Can you please by chance test some IC's on it?
JNL / GTS / JNM / GTR, see if ANY hit 1500mhz+ (DDR3-3000) at CL9-9-9-xx
:lol:

The clocks are amazing. What do you think will be the highest rated kit that would go on the retail market? 2133C9 or do you guys have even more up your sleeve? :)besides michal metro and jody, i dont know anybody who managed to get 2133 stable... i mean rock stable, 24/7 stable... not bench stable :D
even with a handpicked board, handpicked memory and a looooot of tweaking.. so before you ask for more, wait for the 2133 id say :D
I think chipsets are limiting DDR3 clockspeeds more than the memory chips... and p45 doesnt clock ddr3 any better than current chipsets it seems :(

nice results michal!
Did you try 790? jody reached almost the same 32m clocks as you with 888 on 790 :D
What was the max 32m cas7?
and a question you probably wont reply to, how many boards did you try hehehe :D

[Johnny Bravo]

Damn Bachus that's some scary VPLL voltages you're running there :D

Congrats on the speeds though :up:

[Monstru]

your an outdoor guy then i guess? :D havent seen you for ages! good to see your back... for a few days at least :D

:lol:

besides michal metro and jody, i dont know anybody who managed to get 2133 stable... i mean rock stable, 24/7 stable... not bench stable :D
even with a handpicked board, handpicked memory and a looooot of tweaking.. so before you ask for more, wait for the 2133 id say :D
I think chipsets are limiting DDR3 clockspeeds more than the memory chips... and p45 doesnt clock ddr3 any better than current chipsets it seems :(

nice results michal!
Did you try 790? jody reached almost the same 32m clocks as you with 888 on 790 :D
What was the max 32m cas7?
and a question you probably wont reply to, how many boards did you try hehehe :D

You are right, I know that. But I was thinking that once technology gets more mature we're really going to see high clocks with good latency on DDR3 (just like DDR2 was at the beginning and then the clocks went sky high). Maybe that will also come with a new chipset.

[saaya]

You are right, I know that. But I was thinking that once technology gets more mature we're really going to see high clocks with good latency on DDR3 (just like DDR2 was at the beginning and then the clocks went sky high). Maybe that will also come with a new chipset.
well 790 is a step in the right direction, but it solves one problem, the fixed mem divider and limitation by fsbs, and creates 2 new, gtl and vtt problems :D hehehe
p45 doesnt seem to bring any improvements...
so im hoping for the next new chipset... nehalem! :D

any hints on nehalem clocking michal? :D

[bachus_anonym]

Thanks guys! :toast:

Bachus, do you have a RAM-tester? I imagine Corsair have a few....? Can you please by chance test some IC's on it?

JNL / GTS / JNM / GTR, see if ANY hit 1500mhz+ (DDR3-3000) at CL9-9-9-xxMan, never enough? :) We're constantly looking into the future, in an effort to bring fastest, and most exciting memory for extreme overclockers, but my humble prognosis is that you will not see DDR3-3000 kits making its way anytime soon, hehe. Even if DDR3-3000 becomes reality at a reasonable voltage on a component level, you will still need a platform that could support DIMMs built with it. I'd wouldn't hold your breath until DDR4 for that...
The clocks are amazing. What do you think will be the highest rated kit that would go on the retail market? 2133C9 or do you guys have even more up your sleeve? :)Always, always :) As you can see, we know how to make DDR3-2133 happen, and we'll go from there ;)

[bachus_anonym]

isnt 2.00vPLL for auto a bit high, especially for 45nm? congrats on the MHz ;) I appreciate the question might be straying towards off-topic, but seeing as 2.20vPLL was damanging Team Japans 65nm chips back in the day, I think its an important area to have info on, before people are inspired by your results and try it for themselves...

:) Cheers!

K
Damn Bachus that's some scary VPLL voltages you're running there :D Congrats on the speeds though :up:I know :( Good thing is, that's only for 600FSB. Up to 550FSB, it's not so bad, actually.
Did you try 790? jody reached almost the same 32m clocks as you with 888 on 790 :D
What was the max 32m cas7?
and a question you probably wont reply to, how many boards did you try hehehe :DYep, I've seen his 15k @ 2200C8+ on C73. Very impressive! I know we did above 2000C8, but I have not pushed it too far on C73 yet.
Regarding amount of boards I tried. Honestly, only two and they are very close, within a few MHz. Those are regular retail boards with retail E8400s. As I mentioned, things seem to get a bit bumpy above 550FSB/2200DDR3 on Intel X48 boards, and a lot of voltage seems to be needed, from what I can tell, once you approach 600FSB. Plus few tweaks here and there. We're still talking on air, that is.

[Monstru]

well 790 is a step in the right direction, but it solves one problem, the fixed mem divider and limitation by fsbs, and creates 2 new, gtl and vtt problems hehehe
p45 doesnt seem to bring any improvements...
so im hoping for the next new chipset... nehalem!

Yes, indeed. But you know that Nvidia chipsets always clocked RAM different than Intel ones, with much more accent on CR 1. Nevertheless, it is indeed a step forward.

Always, always As you can see, we know how to make DDR3-2133 happen, and we'll go from there

This is really good news, I think that this is a major bump forward for all the DDR3 market, as other producers will have to come up with something similar to stay in the race. And that is always good for us, users :)

[TheKarmakazi]

Spectacular speed!! Thats very impressive, and makes me need to save even more cash for nehalem setup, for some nice ddr3

[M.Beier]

Thanks guys! :toast:

Man, never enough? :) We're constantly looking into the future, in an effort to bring fastest, and most exciting memory for extreme overclockers, but my humble prognosis is that you will not see DDR3-3000 kits making its way anytime soon, hehe. Even if DDR3-3000 becomes reality at a reasonable voltage on a component level, you will still need a platform that could support DIMMs built with it. I'd wouldn't hold your breath until DDR4 for that...
Always, always :) As you can see, we know how to make DDR3-2133 happen, and we'll go from there ;)

Exactly ;)
Never is enough! For daily I use a laptop, only benchmarks of importance for desktop, so never is enough for that one :)

No, the reason is, I have belives in nehalem will reveal the true power of DDR3, and would be very nice to know which ram to gather...
GTR / GTS puts more load to NB, due tighter subtimings, compared to JNL / JNM - this might cause them to overclock lower, but it would be rather interesting to see what is the better when memorycontroller is out of the picture....
Yet, it will still be impossible for me/others to know which is better, as we dont have any information on the nehalem.

[3oh6]

first off, as everyone else has said, it is GREAT to see you back in action here at the house of Bachus. we (a lot of great clockers) have been trying our best to keep this place popping but it just doesn't have that same feeling without your excellent work. i don't have to say you inspire us with your work Michal so don't be a stranger :up:

Yep, I've seen his 15k @ 2200C8+ on C73. Very impressive! I know we did above 2000C8, but I have not pushed it too far on C73 yet.
thank-you. i have also managed some very interesting numbers with dual 32M / single 32M / 1M with this Ballistix kit and a G.Skill D9GTR kit. check my sig for the OC Report of the Ballistix PC3-16000 kit, but definitely not on X48 like you have.

oh yeah, and head over to the 32M low clock if you have time...some results from you over there would be nice too ;)

[bachus_anonym]

Oh, I forgot about some ORTHOS action at, let's call it, default speed - 2133C9 :)

ORTHOS Blend at DDR3-2133 CL9

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http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2133_ORTHOS_small.gif
(http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2133_ORTHOS.gif)

A quick Everest bench at DDR3-2133 CL9

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http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2133_Everest_small.gif
(http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DDR3-2133_Everest.gif)

This is really good news, I think that this is a major bump forward for all the DDR3 market, as other producers will have to come up with something similar to stay in the race.That's what we do best, always pushing the envelope :) :up:

[DMH]

Sayya I think we're getting close to 24/7 2133 CL9 DDR3 kits:D
congrats on your achievements bachus

[Tony]

Sayaa will probably think these are Micron...which those in the know will know they aren't ;)

Most will be stocking 2133 kits, I know we are.

So bachus are you going to spill the beans on the IC's or shall I? LOL

[metro.cl]

Bachus for our help could you please post some BIOS SS or Pictures with the settings you used? i'm really corious and will try the good cellshock i have here that couldnt push more because of FSB.

Regards and 2133MHz CL9 sounds sweet for a retail kit :)

P.D. Not micron? i'll say Samsung then like TCCD looser timings and really high MHz.

[railmeat]

Sayaa will probably think these are Micron...which those in the know will know they aren't ;)

Most will be stocking 2133 kits, I know we are.

So bachus are you going to spill the beans on the IC's or shall I? LOL

plz spill someone...:D

[DMH]

Sayaa will probably think these are Micron...which those in the know will know they aren't ;)

Most will be stocking 2133 kits, I know we are.

So bachus are you going to spill the beans on the IC's or shall I? LOL

Are there IC's the one's you said about the 2000Mhz kit of OCZ??The ones of the (hope you don't mind)ahead of present technology??

[bachus_anonym]

first off, as everyone else has said, it is GREAT to see you back in action here at the house of Bachus. we (a lot of great clockers) have been trying our best to keep this place popping but it just doesn't have that same feeling without your excellent work. i don't have to say you inspire us with your work Michal so don't be a stranger :up:Hey Jody! Thanks for the kind words! You've been doing awesome work yourself! Keep it up, man! You have a huge fan base here :up:

Sayaa will probably think these are Micron...which those in the know will know they aren't ;)
Most will be stocking 2133 kits, I know we are.
So bachus are you going to spill the beans on the IC's or shall I? LOLEh, the fact that you know what ICs are used doesn't make any difference at all, Tony. I'd be surprised you didn't know, you wouldn't be doing your job, hehe. Unlike some other DRAM module makers, we've never been secretive about components we used.

Anyway, as a matter of fact these components can be found on our 2 x 2GB parts that have been available for a few weeks now; and nope, it's not Micron this time. So, that leaves who? Pretty easy guess guys, come on... :D

[EnJoY]

Oooh, you guys are getting a little feisty... :D Let the battle of the brands begin!

Seriously though, I don't care what chips they have if they clock like this, and neither will the consumer. :up:

[CyberDruid]

:up: I love Bandwidth...that is some impressive trailblazing!

[M.Beier]

Hey Jody! Thanks for the kind words! You've been doing awesome work yourself! Keep it up, man! You have a huge fan base here :up:

Eh, the fact that you know what ICs are used doesn't make any difference at all, Tony. I'd be surprised you didn't know, you wouldn't be doing your job, hehe. Unlike some other DRAM module makers, we've never been secretive about components we used.

Anyway, as a matter of fact these components can be found on our 2 x 2GB parts that have been available for a few weeks now; and nope, it's not Micron this time. So, that leaves who? Pretty easy guess guys, come on... :D

Hmm, didnt think they scaled with voltage above 1.5-1.6, guess I was VERY wrong!!! But samples have been availible since mid-end feb, or am I mistaken?

Where do I sign up for receiving FAE info? :ROTF:

[Fatalbert]

insane clocks :D

nice ;)

ps.

Czy ten komplet jeszcze żyje ? :P

[saaya]

Seriously though, I don't care what chips they have if they clock like this, and neither will the consumer. :up:
exactly :D

I know :( Good thing is, that's only for 600FSB. Up to 550FSB, it's not so bad, actually.
Yep, I've seen his 15k @ 2200C8+ on C73. Very impressive! I know we did above 2000C8, but I have not pushed it too far on C73 yet.
Regarding amount of boards I tried. Honestly, only two and they are very close, within a few MHz. Those are regular retail boards with retail E8400s. As I mentioned, things seem to get a bit bumpy above 550FSB/2200DDR3 on Intel X48 boards, and a lot of voltage seems to be needed, from what I can tell, once you approach 600FSB. Plus few tweaks here and there. We're still talking on air, that is.
yeah, i saw 2133 999 at cebit, but it wasnt 100% stable unfortunately...
i think it was a 790 problem tho and not memory...
i agree with you totally in that regard, we are platform limited atm... and unfortunately intels mainstream chipset, p45, hasnt really raised the bar.
and 790 has...but not very much... and its not exactly mainstream.

so you only tried 2 boards? and they were retail?
nice! :) im not a fan of those suicide shots at all tbh...
i hope you have time to show us some more 32m results :D

first off, as everyone else has said, it is GREAT to see you back in action here at the house of Bachus. we (a lot of great clockers) have been trying our best to keep this place popping but it just doesn't have that same feeling without your excellent work. i don't have to say you inspire us with your work Michal so don't be a stranger :up:
yes, please try to stay for a while michal! :(

oh yeah, and head over to the 32M low clock if you have time...some results from you over there would be nice too ;)
*waves hands* oooouuuuhhhh its OOOONNNN, ITS ON!!!! :D
do you take the challange michal?
or will you :chicken:

:hehe: jk man :D

[Parad0x]

Anyway, as a matter of fact these components can be found on our 2 x 2GB parts that have been available for a few weeks now; and nope, it's not Micron this time. So, that leaves who? Pretty easy guess guys, come on... :D

you mean these (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=187853)?:rolleyes:

[Bluebeard]

right - just a better speed binning ;)

[Hyperhorn]

Congrats! When I read about this achievement the first time (not @XS) I didn't thought that it was made "easy" according to the cooling. :up:

[saaya]

Congrats! When I read about this achievement the first time (not @XS) I didn't thought that it was made "easy" according to the cooling. :up:

thats true... i would have exepected at least ps cooling cause of the high fsb :D
michal, you should post some pics of the setup in your first post of this thread!
im sure everybody would love to see some pics of it, and to those who didnt realize it or are only seeing this thread now it shows clearly that it was all on air, which is nice :D and im sure some people here would start to :slobber: on their keyboards if you show em a pic of the 2133 sticks :D

jody, prepare for results, hes so quiet... i think hes already benching :lol:

[George_o/c]

oh yeah, and head over to the 32M low clock if you have time...some results from you over there would be nice too ;)

Oh yeah, it would be nice to see this amazing Corsair kit, on action to 32M low clock challenge :up:

@bachus: OMG ! This kit is definitely amazing :eek:, orthos for 4+ hours stable ! :shocked: Plus, IT CLOCKS LIKE H3LL ! :D ;) Any CL8 action planned ?

[saaya]

george! wth are you doing online again?? :stick:
shhh shhhh, go and studdy some more! :cord:
:D heheheh

[Hyperhorn]

george! wth are you doing online again?? :stick:
shhh shhhh, go and studdy some more! :cord:
:D heheheh
Absolute truth Sascha :D
Hides from MSN and sneaks into this thread later :rofl:

[George_o/c]

Hahahahaha :D Just doing a small break :p: ... Going to continue right now though ;) :) I heard a voice inside me telling me : " George go back ... go baaaack ... you have to see the updates of bachus ... you can of course study later ... :p: " :ROTF:

@Stephan: I swear ! :p: I really logged out ... :D ;)

Sorry for the off topic bachus, won't happen again :)

[bachus_anonym]

michal, you should post some pics of the setup in your first post of this thread!
im sure everybody would love to see some pics of it, and to those who didnt realize it or are only seeing this thread now it shows clearly that it was all on air, which is nice :D and im sure some people here would start to :slobber: on their keyboards if you show em a pic of the 2133 sticks :DOK, OK... Some pics :D

Face-to-face with Corsair Dominator :)

http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DominatorDIMMs.jpg

Asus P5E3 Premium actual test setup

http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DominatorSetup.jpg

A quick test if we're still GO --- Boot up @ 612FSB :slobber: :up:

http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DominatorBootUp.jpg

:toast:

[saaya]

OK, OK... Some pics :D
http://g-up.de/download/0_2d1f421c5c0d693655f4e4bb40db7995_1200343401.gup :D

thanks michal! :toast:

so you didnt even watercool the nb?
damn, those P5E3 premium are some very nice boards then!
Did you play with the new DFi Gigabyte or Foxconn boards yet?
Whats next? do you plan to run some 790 tests? :D
Is there a big difference from Cas9 to Cas8?

[bingo13]

http://g-up.de/download/0_2d1f421c5c0d693655f4e4bb40db7995_1200343401.gup
damn, those P5E3 premium are some very nice boards then!

Wonder what the results are on the released 0402 BIOS instead of a custom BIOS spin? I bet they might just be a little different. ;)

[Kasparz]

1066MHz XMP profile? Why do i smell FAIL when using XMP? :D
What cpu can do 6x533 with stock cooling/voltages(fsb wise), and what board can do 533FSB with everything stock?
I would like to know how Corsair did that, seriously...
Everything over 933MHz should be with EPP2.0 extension for nVidia, due to having unlinked mode therefore not touching cpu and FSB to sky high frequencies.
I know that enthusiasts over there would ever use XMP, but average Joe getting fast memory would put computer together on Intel chipset and it just won't work.
That speedbin for memory is only useful for Nehalem.

[Cooper]

1066MHz XMP profile? Why do i smell FAIL when using XMP? :D
What cpu can do 6x533 with stock cooling/voltages(fsb wise), and what board can do 533FSB with everything stock?
I would like to know how Corsair did that, seriously...
Everything over 933MHz should be with EPP2.0 extension for nVidia, due to having unlinked mode therefore not touching cpu and FSB to sky high frequencies.
I know that enthusiasts over there would ever use XMP, but average Joe getting fast memory would put computer together on Intel chipset and it just won't work.
That speedbin for memory is only useful for Nehalem.

Dude where were you when some vendors introduced DDR600? :cool:
So please stop thread crapping - these modules are not for average Joe, but for people knowing the difference and ready to pay for it

[saaya]

Wonder what the results are on the released 0402 BIOS instead of a custom BIOS spin? I bet they might just be a little different. ;)huh? theese results are with a custom bios?

hmmm good point kasparz...
and even if you find the settings that let one cpu run 533fsb, i doubt it will work for many cpus... even if they can run 533, they might need different vtt and vcore and vpll hmmmm the fsb is becoming more and more a problem for intel, its really time for nehalem! imagine nehalem would still use fsb :D
im glad intel finally went IMC :)

[Kasparz]

First of all, there were no SPD extensions for DDR. Second, there were DDR625 too. DDR600 could be achievable on good K8 IMC, but 625 was really hard to achieve on most K8 IMC.
I know what our customers needs, and i know who need fast memory, and who does not. I'm not going to recommend product to anyone if its clearly not designed properly and could cause stability problems.
You might know that 95% of all people who purchased memory over jedec standard that needs to set timings/voltages manually, never even heard what BIOS is and how to get there. Even majority of people who purchases very expensive memory like DDR2 1200MHz+ or DDR3 1800MHz+ is same as described above. 70% of customer built computers is returned to RMA due to this problem.
And you might know that EPP you must enable manually in BIOS to work, XMP is enabled automatically without customers/system builders assist.
There were lots of people whom i should tell long story about why they need to set settings manually, and lots of people who returned memory for money due to this.
Thats just our community is experienced people with knowledge, lots of potential this memory buyers aren't.

[saaya]

Well with our 1866 so far nobody needed help getting them to work, and with our 1800 kits maybe 5 or 10 people worldwide, and they dont have an EPP or XMP profile.
But yes, i see what you mean kasparz. i dont think its a good idea to go that close to the limit cause you will get swamped with customer calls and emails... but then again, if this is just about a small quantitiy of kits for the top ocers... why not? :)

[Kasparz]

Thats not close to limits, thats way over limit.
Lets say, quads on stock with that FSB would not work...
95% of Wolfdales/Conroe at 533FSB and stock Vpll would not work.
99% of X38/X48 chipsets at 533FSB and stock voltages would not work, or will work very unstable.

Sascha, people asks most of their questions in shop, not to manufacturer directly ;)

[George_o/c]

im glad intel finally went IMC :)

I have a question for you guys as far as the Intel CPUs and IMC are concerned ... Won't these CPUs with IMC, experience cold-bug problems at high temperatures (for example -20*C ...) ... :( :confused:

[saaya]

Thats not close to limits, thats way over limit.
Lets say, quads on stock with that FSB would not work...
95% of Wolfdales/Conroe at 533FSB and stock Vpll would not work.
99% of X38/X48 chipsets at 533FSB and stock voltages would not work, or will work very unstable.does pll voltage really help that much? i thought for 45nm it doesnt help at all or barely helps? From what ive heard a lot of 45nm chips can hit 533fsb, but if they can run it stable... without tweaking i guess your right, only very few can. then again, on 790 you dont need a huge fsb, so i think thats what corsair is actually aiming theese sets at.

Sascha, people asks most of their questions in shop, not to manufacturer directly ;)with that i cant argue :D
i know its true... which is why usually shop owners tend to know a lot more about the products and the problems people have with it than the manufacturers :D

I have a question for you guys as far as the Intel CPUs and IMC are concerned ... Won't these CPUs with IMC, experience cold-bug problems at high temperatures (for example -20*C ...) ... :( :confused:i dont think so...
only some batches of a64 chips had an imc related cold bug i think.
there are newer K8 K9 and K10 chips that have cold bugs which are unrelated to the imc, and there are some that can run down to -50C or lower.

and dont forget, intel chips have cold bugs as well, and they dont have an imc :D some intel cpus have cold bugs at -60 already!

i think it actually doesnt have to do with temps directly but with over-current protections of the circuit. or its just a bi-product of the mfg process and silicon doping... intel and amd and tscm etc are doing really weird stuff :D
and they are looking for improvements in a certain temp and voltage and current range, so maybe some new technique works there, but causes probs at low temps or higher volts dont scale etc...

back on topic! :D
was this really achieve with a special bios?
is this bios available for download somewhere?
whats the difference between this special bios and the public bios?

[Tony]

Bios 0001 is a debug bios, possibly all options enabled, all options manually adjustable.
The bios was never made public, OCZ do not have it and I doubt ever will. Like end users OCZ use what is in the public domain, and always have done, Cellshock look to do the same.

[Tony]

Thats not close to limits, thats way over limit.
Lets say, quads on stock with that FSB would not work...
95% of Wolfdales/Conroe at 533FSB and stock Vpll would not work.
99% of X38/X48 chipsets at 533FSB and stock voltages would not work, or will work very unstable.

Sascha, people asks most of their questions in shop, not to manufacturer directly ;)

You know man you are bang on the money, FSB is beyond stretched now and the options in bios for Dram ratio mean you have to run 500+fsb to get these ram speeds.

XS users don't see the big picture, ram manufacturers don't make 10 kits for the extreme users who are able to run 2200fsb, they make 5000 kits in the hope that many people will be able to enjoy the added speed, issue is now we are able to provide technology that out paces 90% of the FSB capability of most processors and boards...but end users don't understand that and just RMA.

FSB is dead, its time for IMC if we want to run these uber high ram speeds.

[saaya]

Bios 0001 is a debug bios, possibly all options enabled, all options manually adjustable.
The bios was never made public, OCZ do not have it and I doubt ever will. Like end users OCZ use what is in the public domain, and always have done, Cellshock look to do the same.
have you ever used that bios or seen it?
do you think asus minds if michal shares that bios with us?
I guess so... but why exactly would they care?
a big selling point of x48 was extra bios options, so ok, you dont wanna spill all the beans at once... but they dont intend to release yet another x38/x48 board, do they? so why would they care if this bios goes public?
hell, its prolly a mess and most people would only look at it and then delete it :lol:

its time for IMC if we want to run these uber high ram speeds.what do you mean with IF :D

790 would be the only real platform for 2133 memory i think.
but then again, several people seem to have problems reaching even 2000 stable on 790. if anybody cares about my personal opinion, i think even 2000 is too much for an official spec... there are so many, especially older, p35 and x38 boards out there that wont even run 2000 stable and even the latest p35/p45/x38/x48 and 790 boards dont all run ddr3 2000 stable.

its really a shame that no mainboard mfg tests and guarantees ddr3 2000.
the highest ive seen is gigabyte and they only test and guarantee ddr3 1900... :(

thats why the fastest mem im making here at cellshock is 1866... everybody knows it can run way more than that...
but i thought its not a good idea to rate it higher than that.

anyways, if those results are really with a special bios, whats the max with the retail bios? :D
looking forward to some more results! :toast:

[bachus_anonym]

Wonder what the results are on the released 0402 BIOS instead of a custom BIOS spin? I bet they might just be a little different. ;)What would you like to bet, Gary? :) But seriously, the BIOS that was used on this system is in essence, as I mentioned earlier, 0301. There's nothing super-magical about it, and is as good as 0301 can be. It contains an update or, a fix if you will, that I suggested some time ago and it's up to Asus to decide if they include it in a final BIOS at some point. I think they will, or should. But from my testing here, it didn't make any difference for the numbers you see here.
Bios 0001 is a debug bios, possibly all options enabled, all options manually adjustable.
The bios was never made public, OCZ do not have it and I doubt ever will. Like end users OCZ use what is in the public domain, and always have done, Cellshock look to do the same.What I said above... I wish there was a BIOS like it, Tony. That's would be nice, wouldn't it? :)
1066MHz XMP profile? Why do i smell FAIL when using XMP? :D
What cpu can do 6x533 with stock cooling/voltages(fsb wise), and what board can do 533FSB with everything stock?
I would like to know how Corsair did that, seriously...
Everything over 933MHz should be with EPP2.0 extension for nVidia, due to having unlinked mode therefore not touching cpu and FSB to sky high frequencies.
I know that enthusiasts over there would ever use XMP, but average Joe getting fast memory would put computer together on Intel chipset and it just won't work.
That speedbin for memory is only useful for Nehalem.Kasparz, dude.. Don't pay attention to SPD, you too hang on it. SPD on those modules is an experiment, OK? And this is not a final product. Don't get too hot in the water, please?

[saaya]

the BIOS that was used on this system is in essence, as I mentioned earlier, 0301. There's nothing super-magical about it, and is as good as 0301 can be. It contains an update or, a fix if you will, that I suggested some time ago and it's up to Asus to decide if they include it in a final BIOS at some point. I think they will, or should. But from my testing here, it didn't make any difference for the numbers you see here.
but if the bios didnt give you a boost... then why did you use it?
and why should asus make it public if it doesnt give a boost? :D
so with a retail bios you get the same ocs?

[Tony]

Its still a developer bios, its still something Cellshock and OCZ etc have not had access to so its still unfair to post any results using it. Period

Are you guys working on helping Intel getting quads to run 566FSB m8 as you are going to need it?

[bachus_anonym]

but if the bios didnt give you a boost... then why did you use it?
and why should asus make it public if it doesnt give a boost? :D
so with a retail bios you get the same ocs?... because it was on this system, and I did not flash it with anything never as there was no need for it. Sascha. It's that simple, believe me, that it doesn't make a difference.

[Tony]

Competitors never believe each other Bachus, I told you that when you started working for Corsair...

All Corsair have done here is damage the situation with DDR3 at 2000 or higher, not helped it. Blind posting like this gets end users hopes up and they clearly will be utterly disappointed by this when they struggle like crazy to get their systems running the same.

Well done guys!

[bachus_anonym]

Its still a developer bios, its still something Cellshock and OCZ etc have not had access to so its still unfair to post any results using it. Period
Are you guys working on helping Intel getting quads to run 566FSB m8 as you are going to need it?Eh come on, Tony. It's only a presentation of what can be done on this platform. Exploring the limits of X48 chipset...

[saaya]

michal, i trust you... :toast:
i still think it wasnt a good idea to use that bios, even if it doesnt give you a boost.
you should at least have mentioned that its a special bios, even if it doesnt boot.

Im a bit concerned how many memory reps are posting in this thread now :lol:
i hope this doesnt go wrong and i hope we can all get along without bashing each other :D

and im still hoping for some more results to maybe push this thread back on topic :D
(hopefully with a retail bios to convince the doubters and end that discussion)

[bachus_anonym]

and im still hoping for some more results to maybe push this thread back on topic :D (hopefully with a retail bios to convince the doubters and end that discussion)I will flash 0301 and 0402 BIOS, and rerun 2200+ HyperPI 32M, and 2133C9 ORTHOS (if I have time, I still have work to do, you know :)) as soon as I get to work this morning, OK? Just to prove that the BIOS is as good as any newer rev :toast:

[Tony]

DDR3 action is 7-7-7-22 at 1800, we all know it, tRD dictates it and the limit on quad FSB forces it....

X48 has FSB limitations but enhanced tRD, faster performance at lower FSB, this is exactly why Intel releases Extreme edition CPU's, high FSB no longer needed ;)

Im done with this now, I think you were bold to post 2400MHZ publicly, we have done the same at our labs but what is the point of getting end user hopes up???

ta ta

[DMH]

DDR3 action is 7-7-7-22 at 1800, we all know it, tRD dictates it and the limit on quad FSB forces it....

X48 has FSB limitations but enhanced tRD, faster performance at lower FSB, this is exactly why Intel releases Extreme edition CPU's, high FSB no longer needed ;)

Im done with this now, I think you were bold to post 2400MHZ publicly, we have done the same at our labs but what is the point of getting end user hopes up???

ta ta

Then why not show it?For me this is just a normal o'cer who got a magical number and wanted to share it nothing,else if he says the BIOS didn't gave him a boost i believe him;)

[IFMU]

Interesting post.
Think I'm gonna follow this one a bit.

[eva2000]

woah Bachus man crazy clocks.. and crazy CPU PLL volts there :eek:

Just when I thought finding my E3110 that does 545FSB 32M stable at stock CPU PLL 1.5v on Blitz Formula was enough for DDR3 testing, now I need >550-615FSB LOL

Anyone ask if Intel will give us P35/X38/X48 users a higher mem divider than 1:2 i.e. 2:5 or 3:7 for 500FSB 3:7 DDR3-2333 or quad core 450FSB 3:7 DDR3-2100 heh

[saaya]

Anyone ask if Intel will give us P35/X38/X48 users a higher mem divider than 1:2 i.e. 2:5 or 3:7 for 500FSB 3:7 DDR3-2333 or quad core 450FSB 3:7 DDR3-2100 heh
nooooooooooooooooooo they should just drop the whole divider stuff already and go unlinked IMC :D
its not easy to get an unlinked imc working well, but if anybody can do it, its intel :)

[Tony]

nooooooooooooooooooo they should just drop the whole divider stuff already and go unlinked IMC :D
its not easy to get an unlinked imc working well, but if anybody can do it, its intel :)

Its not that easy man, what gives you the idea it is?
Unlinked means clock crossing and all the issues it brings with it, welcome back tRD etc!!

Sync bus 1:1 is the ONLY way forward, plus Intel have gone for width not speed with IMC.

[Kasparz]

You know man you are bang on the money, FSB is beyond stretched now and the options in bios for Dram ratio mean you have to run 500+fsb to get these ram speeds.
XS users don't see the big picture, ram manufacturers don't make 10 kits for the extreme users who are able to run 2200fsb, they make 5000 kits in the hope that many people will be able to enjoy the added speed, issue is now we are able to provide technology that out paces 90% of the FSB capability of most processors and boards...but end users don't understand that and just RMA.
FSB is dead, its time for IMC if we want to run these uber high ram speeds.
Yeah, i totally agree, but...
...as long as there is no Nehalem in market, EPP2.0 for high speed rated memory is the only way to go. And you know that.

[QuadDamage]

DDR3 action is 7-7-7-22 at 1800, we all know it, tRD dictates it and the limit on quad FSB forces it....

X48 has FSB limitations but enhanced tRD, faster performance at lower FSB, this is exactly why Intel releases Extreme edition CPU's, high FSB no longer needed ;)

Im done with this now, I think you were bold to post 2400MHZ publicly, we have done the same at our labs but what is the point of getting end user hopes up???

ta ta

And you got screenshots to back this up?

[Yellowbeard]

This is the EXTREME BANDWIDTH section :up:

[bachus_anonym]

Alright, this will have to do for now, guys. I don't have much time today, unfortunately.

1. Below you see 2 different systems, cooled by Corsair Nautilus 500.
2. One running with BIOS 0301 that I mentioned is essentially what I used for 2462MHz, and the other is flashed with BIOS 0401, freshly DL'ed from Asus website. Look at CPU-Z Motherboard Tab for BIOS info.
3. Each has a 2GB kit of Corsair Dominator that you're looking at in this thread. Windows Vista 64-bit on the 1st, and Windows XP on the 2nd.
4. Running ORTHOS on both, at DDR3-2133 CL9.
5. One system at 533FSB x 6, and the other at 533FSB x 7.


5hrs ORTHOS Blend at DDR3-2133 CL9, BIOS 0301

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Over 3hrs ORTHOS Blend at DDR3-2133 CL9, BIOS 0401

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Boot up @ 612FSB - BIOS 0301

http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DominatorBootUp_0301.jpg

Boot up @ 610FSB - BIOS 0401

http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAtCorsair/AsusP5E3Premium/DominatorBootUp_0401.jpg


Let's put the speculation about the "developers" BIOS to bed now...

[metro.cl]

From my POV i like to see what manufacturers can do in their lab, so thanks Bachus for the post and info.

For me BIOS 401 is much better than 402.

[kiwi]

So what are these non micron chips? Do they like volts? Do they like tight timings/sub timings? Because if they don't they are not any better. I'd like to see at least 13K read speed @ 4Ghz

[M.Beier]

Interesting Tony & Bachus... :)
Bachus, the BW, frustrating low :| But chipset and other settings must be your problem.. I mean... sub 800mhz 11GB/s is possible on P35 as far as I remember...

From my POV i like to see what manufacturers can do in their lab, so thanks Bachus for the post and info.

For me BIOS 401 is much better than 402.

The kings of lab testing is.....

PATRIOT.... :yepp:
Sooo cool results that they've acheived.... =)
Sadly, none is published to my knowledge!

EDIT:
Ohh crap, entered message too fast, didnt write my opening comment ;)

[saaya]

thanks michal! :toast:
makes me wonder why you used the special bios to begin with as 0401 seems to give you better scores? :lol:
read is still very low though... is 2000 cas7 bencheable or stable? what about cas8?
I think when your pushing the clockspeed up too high perf actually degrades...
unless you keep the timings tight like jodies 2200 cas8 :D

[dinos22]

lol guys

i think ppl are forgetting we are in the Xtreme Bandwidth section here and getting their knickers in a twist of some new ICs which are still in ES stage.....

i spent a couple of hours with Michal in the labs a few days ago and there was no funny business going on here. These results are truthful. The setup was as described and CPU watercooled....These motherboards are pretty good though. Asus has done some improvements over the X38 chipset which is testament to the fact Corsair had many many setups with these boards doing great FSB and clocks fairly easy...........

FSB however is hard to tweak if the board ain't all too happy which is what my X38 boards are like and i am pushing limits on Intel chipsets with DDR3 gear on air/water cooling

i'll have to buy one of these Premium boards though after seeing what Michal can do with them.....

i'll do some testing with my 2133MHz kit to see what they will do....first i have to get some rest/sleep after such a short trip/no sleep and these long ass 14 hour flights between sydney and San Francisco...........man oh man i'm just buzzing with all this new tech coming out and all :D

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6418/img3621hj6.jpg

but i'll do some benching on 790i which kicks the pants off a lot of Intel setups these days as people can do that kind of FSB very easy >> i've got a new P05 bios from nvidia for 790i so let's see what that does in terms of some known bug fixes as well

keep pushing it as Oliver would say :D

[M.Beier]

Its in my nature to argue, so Dinos, here goes :) :
Since its ES, it doesnt mean anything....

Unless its one of them fancy "ES spree" but hopefully, Corsair doesnt lowern themselves to such level and writes ES just for making it look "cool"... If its truely ES, then the final specs sure aint decided, aint certain, can be changed....
- And if thats the case, then, wuhuu lets wait for the final product...

However, it does look promising... :)
I will ask for what killer IC's are on the market the upcoming monday, and try to get some ram with such IC's shipped... :)

[Oliver]

Looks really good and quite interesting...

Lol Dino ;)...

[eva2000]

interesting dinos 2133 ES ram that's already at v4.1 ????

[gundamit]

but i'll do some benching on 790i which kicks the pants off a lot of Intel setups these days ... Hersey! :ROTF: x48 vs. 790i and jumping in (late) to DDR3 ... so hard to choose after so much quick and dirt(y) cheap DDR2. Oh well ...

BYW - everyone keep encouraging company guys like bachus_anonym to stay in the mix at XS. They bring a lot to the table.

[saaya]

i think ppl are forgetting we are in the Xtreme Bandwidth section here and getting their knickers in a twist of some new ICs which are still in ES stage.....
i think we are all spoiled from michal :D
he posted a lot of really really impressive threads with nice results and pics and scores, and this time its a suicide screenshot and then 2133 999 with average performance results...

To me this thread has a strong hype factor for average users but its not impressive/interesting for ocers when you look at the actual stable/benchable speeds... at least from what ive seen so far.

we have all seen a lot of 1800+ cas6, 2000+ cas7 and recently 2200 cas8...
so 2133 cas9 isnt exactly amazing compared to those results
its been about a year since michal posted everest@13K, and now we see 11K... :D

having said that, im sure you and michal will up the ante and raise some everest hell with theese sticks :D so bring it on! :D

interesting dinos 2133 ES ram that's already at v4.1 ????
hahah yeah, i wondered about that too and pmed michal, he confirmed its supposed to show 4.1... i dont get why tho :D
maybe all sticks that say 4.1 use the same chips, and all sticks that say 4.0 use the same chips etc, accross the board. that would be cool, still you cant see what your buying until you actually have it in hand, but then you can be sure what chips it is.

[George_o/c]

Interesting info dinos, waiting for the results in 790i ... They should be kick-ass ;) :up:

i've got a new P05 bios from nvidia for 790i so let's see what that does in terms of some known bug fixes as well


Any other improvements with this new bios ? ... :)

keep pushing it as Oliver would say :D

He has now updated to " keep tearing it up ", which I like even more :p: (Nice one Oliver)

But I'm sure he will come with more updates ;) :D

[saaya]

a couple of people already tried the pr05, its been out for a week or two i think.
some people still get corruption with it, even at low clockspeeds, but most say its very good.

[bachus_anonym]

interesting dinos 2133 ES ram that's already at v4.1 ????hahah yeah, i wondered about that too and pmed michal, he confirmed its supposed to show 4.1... i dont get why tho :D
maybe all sticks that say 4.1 use the same chips, and all sticks that say 4.0 use the same chips etc, accross the board. that would be cool, still you cant see what your buying until you actually have it in hand, but then you can be sure what chips it is.On a label, ver4.x indicates ICs used, not stages of development of the part.
To me this thread has a strong hype factor for average users but its not impressive/interesting for ocers when you look at the actual stable/benchable speeds... at least from what ive seen so far. we have all seen a lot of 1800+ cas6, 2000+ cas7 and recently 2200 cas8...
so 2133 cas9 isnt exactly amazing compared to those results
its been about a year since michal posted everest@13K, and now we see 11K... :DThere are few main points of this thread, If I may:

- show my take on what may be the upper ceiling for DDR3 speed in a foreseeable future, hence DDR3-2462 CL9 1-up, and DDR3-2268 CL9 2-up;

- inject some fresh ingredient into DDR3 overclocking by showing very good, high-speed alternative to Micron DRAM components;

- present 100% solid, fully stable DDR3-2133 configurations based on Asus P5E3 Premium motherboard - not only SPi32M stable as we all know, 32M at max speed does not equal 100% stability; correct me if I'm wrong but DDR3-2133 ORTHOS runs shown here are the only to date, regardless whether it's on X38/X48 or C73;

- introduce what could be our new product that has been kept on hold for a while due to rather high requirements for X48 chipset based setups, and C73 being still in early stages, with its share of "intermittent or random corruption" issues once memory frequency is pushed above DDR3-2100. We have an expertize to produce DDR3-2133 product for both platforms, but we decided to take a wait-and-see approach :)


As for the bandwidth results, I respectfully disagree with the assertion that they are sub-par. If you look at DDR3-2228 @ nearly 3.9GHz shot in the 1st post, bandwidth scores are actually very good for 9-9-9, and even for some 8-8-8, if we keep the same CPU frequency - 11.9k Read, 11.7 Write, 11.7 Copy. I'm not talking about uber tweaked out timings either, as results shown here can still be improved for efficiency. Additionally, please do not compare it to C73's Read score as BIOS on this chipset has performance paths enabled that give substantial boost in bandwidth, yet e.g. clock-for-clock C73 is still a bit slower in SPi32M than X48.

i'll do some testing with my 2133MHz kit to see what they will do....first i have to get some rest/sleep after such a short trip/no sleep and these long ass 14 hour flights between sydney and San Francisco...........man oh man i'm just buzzing with all this new tech coming out and all :DI'm looking forward to seeing what you manage to do with those on your C73 board, Dino.

[saaya]

On a label, ver4.x indicates ICs used, not stages of development of the part.so my guess was right, cool :D

- show my take on what may be the upper ceiling for DDR3 speed in a foreseeable future, hence DDR3-2462 CL9 1-up, and DDR3-2268 CL9 2-up;why do you think suicide screenshots have any relevance on what will be possible stable in future? yes, speeds that we can only reach suicide stable today might be possible stable in future, but its not like a suicide screenshot at any speed proves anything. its not like it shows this speed WILL definately be stable in future. ive seen 2000+ cas6 and 2200+ cas7 suicide shots and videos... but they are pretty meaningless imo. yet to most people who dont know a lot about memory this sounds amazing, and from what you posted and what corsair PR emailed to the press, its sounds like 2460 was stable. and even though i doubt it was worded to sound like this on purpose, it wasnt worded to make clear that it was just a suicide screenshot and not stable either.

thats all im saying, imo you should focuss on the "real" results of 2133 999 and 2200 999 and add the suicide shots as a goodie, and not draw all attention on a suicide shot that doesnt really mean that much.

im looking forward to some more real results now :D
dinos has shown that he has a very good clocking 790 board, so im looking forward to see his results.
after he caught some sleep :D

[bachus_anonym]

It's me aaaagaaaain! :D I hope you haven't had enough of it yet...

So, I took a week off from torturing this 2133C9 set and decided to come back today, to push it even more, looking for another milestone in ORTHOS / Prime95 stability on DDR3.

In a mid-time, Asus sent the latest beta BIOS last week. I want to add however, that 0401 BIOS did just as well for this new result. For the curious ones, new BIOS creates a separate sub-menu for Skew Control, with per DIMM skew tuning of for command, clock and control (CMD/CLK/CLK) signals in 25ps steps. Also, one can now play with skew of CMD signal at Command Rate 1N, which was not possible before - option was greyed out. But we enthusiasts want to play with all the knobs, right?

I would like to emphasize, that Asus engineers have been great in listening to suggestions for and implementing some of them so far. There are still a couple more things I would like to see in the next official BIOS that I have seen earlier, though. All that effort, makes Asus P5E3 Premium hands down the best to date motherboard for serious DDR3 overclocking on Intel chipset, period!

OK, enough! I really wanted to share what I woul;d consider quite a milestone :cool:

4hrs ORTHOS Blend at DDR3-2200 CL9 1T, BIOS 0503
This time, I also went with C2D E8500. Previously I used C2D E8400 :)


vPLL = 1.80v
vFSB = 1.30v
vDD = 2.02v
vNB = 1.71v
vSB = Auto



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Dual SuperPi32M & Everest Ultimate @ as above, BIOS 0503

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[dinos22]

great work there man :up:

[Movieman]

Thanks guys! :toast:

Man, never enough? :) We're constantly looking into the future, in an effort to bring fastest, and most exciting memory for extreme overclockers, but my humble prognosis is that you will not see DDR3-3000 kits making its way anytime soon, hehe. Even if DDR3-3000 becomes reality at a reasonable voltage on a component level, you will still need a platform that could support DIMMs built with it. I'd wouldn't hold your breath until DDR4 for that...
Always, always :) As you can see, we know how to make DDR3-2133 happen, and we'll go from there ;)

I admit to knowing very little about memory but when you post I read.
It's not all about the huge numbers to me but reading a thread from someone who does understand how it all works.
I'll add my name to the others here that say we miss your threads and the education we get from them.

[Tony]

In a mid-time, Asus sent the latest beta BIOS last week. I want to add however, that 0401 BIOS did just as well for this new result. For the curious ones, new BIOS creates a separate sub-menu for Skew Control, with per DIMM skew tuning of for command, clock and control (CMD/CLK/CLK) signals in 25ps steps. Also, one can now play with skew of CMD signal at Command Rate 1N, which was not possible before - option was greyed out. But we enthusiasts want to play with all the knobs, right?


Make sure you thank Raja from Anandtech as he was the one who asked for the options... also the 25ps skew was my idea ;)

great work there man

And we are the ones who don't support the enthusiast on the forum :up::shocked:

tooting ones own horn LOL

[Harshal]

Nice numbers guys!!! :up:

[bachus_anonym]

I admit to knowing very little about memory but when you post I read.
It's not all about the huge numbers to me but reading a thread from someone who does understand how it all works. I'll add my name to the others here that say we miss your threads and the education we get from them.Thank for the kind words, Dave!
Make sure you thank Raja from Anandtech as he was the one who asked for the options... also the 25ps skew was my idea ;)Although not taking anything away from Anandtech crew, they are not the only ones that deserve the credit. There are quite a few other people involved in the process as well, whose feedback, extensive testing and suggestions are being heard. Raja, Gary and Kris @ Anadtech sure are part of it, however not exclusive. Recognizing that is important as well :)

[Tony]

I just needed the world to know where certain options came from, I know others work to help, but this time that bios was the product of mainly Raja and a little my request also.

So corsair do well with a bios OCZ requested LOL ironic.

have a nice day man

[bachus_anonym]

I just needed the world to know where certain options came from, I know others work to help, but this time that bios was the product of mainly Raja and a little my request also.

So corsair do well with a bios OCZ requested LOL ironic.

have a nice day manAgain, you're not correct, just when you were when you mentioned "developer's BIOS" earlier in this post. Those types of results can be obtained with 0401 BIOS, which doesn't have per DIMM skew tuning, and without modifying the board the way Anandtech crew did. Do not make me prove you wrong again, Tony :)

On a side note, let's not go any further in this, please. We both know we may not agree, and I don't want this thread to turn into a fight. Thank you, Tony.

[Tony]

you are using the 503???

0401 was earlier...or so I thought, and before that was 0001 which Asus would not release to me.

Im done, I will keep my promise about keeping the bios private.

Have a nice day man

[Sadhiq]

On the first bench you used vPLL = 2.30v for max frequency, on the 4hrs of Orthos, much less, it doesn't seem to have that big influence ?!

[dinos22]

i did some testing last night on these new sticks

far out man >>> this ram kicks arse

and not just CAS9 fellas
i'm talking about CAS8 and CAS7 as well :shocked:

[dinos22]

And we are the ones who don't support the enthusiast on the forum :up::shocked:

tooting ones own horn LOL
Tony your opinion no longer interests me after the poor form you and your friends have shown me on another forum recently

i am getting my posts deleted on a forum owned by one of the guys from Anandtech because you cannot take an argument about some stupid theory you guys are trying to sell to us "dumb forum land people" and cannot back it up with more than a handful of examples.

I read and respect people's opinions on forums. You go insulting people because you think forum members at XS have nothing to contribute.

talk about poor form :down:

[Tony]

Tony your opinion no longer interests me after the poor form you and your friends have shown me on another forum recently

i am getting my posts deleted on a forum owned by one of the guys from Anandtech because you cannot take an argument about some stupid theory you guys are trying to sell to us "dumb forum land people" and cannot back it up with more than a handful of examples.

I read and respect people's opinions on forums. You go insulting people because you think forum members at XS have nothing to contribute.

talk about poor form :down:

I know of over 20 CPU's killed with VTT over 1.45V, so poor form or not im advising end users who pay hard earned cash top buy their CPU's to be careful with them.

I know of 2x9770's 2x9650's 1x9550 and the rest were dual cores, in fact some were from a system builder who sells pre over clocked systems.

So no poor form man, the truth....when ever I add input to an argument its because I feel a need to to ensure end users do not end up feeling robbed or abused by the hardware they have bought.

You are a prime example of believing what you read on a forum, I am sorry man but I deal with people outside forums who do just the same things but on a MUCH larger scale...sometimes hundreds of boards with hundreds of CPU's and hundreds of pairs of dimms.

Lastly, I did not delete your post off OCX, i would have responded with the same post their if I could although I do know the basics of what you posted.

I live in a totally different world to you, I live in a world that advises the forums and guides the technology, hence why I was advising caution.

[metro.cl]

It's me aaaagaaaain! :D I hope you haven't had enough of it yet...

So, I took a week off from torturing this 2133C9 set and decided to come back today, to push it even more, looking for another milestone in ORTHOS / Prime95 stability on DDR3.

In a mid-time, Asus sent the latest beta BIOS last week. I want to add however, that 0401 BIOS did just as well for this new result. For the curious ones, new BIOS creates a separate sub-menu for Skew Control, with per DIMM skew tuning of for command, clock and control (CMD/CLK/CLK) signals in 25ps steps. Also, one can now play with skew of CMD signal at Command Rate 1N, which was not possible before - option was greyed out. But we enthusiasts want to play with all the knobs, right?

I would like to emphasize, that Asus engineers have been great in listening to suggestions for and implementing some of them so far. There are still a couple more things I would like to see in the next official BIOS that I have seen earlier, though. All that effort, makes Asus P5E3 Premium hands down the best to date motherboard for serious DDR3 overclocking on Intel chipset, period!

OK, enough! I really wanted to share what I woul;d consider quite a milestone :cool:

4hrs ORTHOS Blend at DDR3-2200 CL9 1T, BIOS 0503
This time, I also went with C2D E8500. Previously I used C2D E8400 :)


vPLL = 1.80v
vFSB = 1.30v
vDD = 2.02v
vNB = 1.71v
vSB = Auto



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Dual SuperPi32M & Everest Ultimate @ as above, BIOS 0503

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:yepp:

Where did you get bios 503? for me 402 sucks so much.

[bachus_anonym]

On the first bench you used vPLL = 2.30v for max frequency, on the 4hrs of Orthos, much less, it doesn't seem to have that big influence ?!For 600FSB+ brute force of high PLL was necessary in order to boot from BIOS, and into Windows. At 533FSB, AUTO PLL (1.83v when measured) was plenty enough, and could go down to 1.56-1.60v without loosing stability. For 550FSB ORTHOS, I just left it alone at AUTO.
i did some testing last night on these new sticks

far out man >>> this ram kicks arse

and not just CAS9 fellas
i'm talking about CAS8 and CAS7 as well :shocked:I'm very glad, Dino! I hope to see your results soon. What are you running them on - 790i. X48 or P45? Thanks!
Where did you get bios 503? for me 402 sucks so much.ASUS, of course. From my experience, currently official 0401 is a very good BIOS. I'm sure I don't have to tell you anything as you've been already running high speeds on X48, but stick with 0401 for now, and play with CPU GTL Ref as well as skewing signals. It's a solid BIOS, and a lot can be acomplished on this motherboard without any hardware modifications at all ;)

Skewing signals per DIMM implemented in 0503 is mainly an attempt to figure out how far 4-up configuration could be pushed on this motherboard, but also improving stability of A1 & B1 DIMM sockets (orange ones) at very high frequencies. There is good indication it might help...

:)

[Movieman]

Tony your opinion no longer interests me after the poor form you and your friends have shown me on another forum recently

i am getting my posts deleted on a forum owned by one of the guys from Anandtech because you cannot take an argument about some stupid theory you guys are trying to sell to us "dumb forum land people" and cannot back it up with more than a handful of examples.

I read and respect people's opinions on forums. You go insulting people because you think forum members at XS have nothing to contribute.

talk about poor form :down:

I know of over 20 CPU's killed with VTT over 1.45V, so poor form or not im advising end users who pay hard earned cash top buy their CPU's to be careful with them.

I know of 2x9770's 2x9650's 1x9550 and the rest were dual cores, in fact some were from a system builder who sells pre over clocked systems.

So no poor form man, the truth....when ever I add input to an argument its because I feel a need to to ensure end users do not end up feeling robbed or abused by the hardware they have bought.

You are a prime example of believing what you read on a forum, I am sorry man but I deal with people outside forums who do just the same things but on a MUCH larger scale...sometimes hundreds of boards with hundreds of CPU's and hundreds of pairs of dimms.

Lastly, I did not delete your post off OCX, i would have responded with the same post their if I could although I do know the basics of what you posted.

I live in a totally different world to you, I live in a world that advises the forums and guides the technology, hence why I was advising caution.

Dino and Tony;
From someone that has spoken to both of you and respects both of you for your accomplishments can I suggest that what happens on another forum not be used as a reason to argue here?
I'm not so naive as to not understand the politics of sites and the ego's that come into play at the top level of our hobby but it seems to me that sometimes the cart gets put before the horse.
If we are here to learn and all profit from that then it must be done in a friendly atmosphere even if times we have to bite our tongues before responding.
I have said over and over that it has to be friends first for all of this to work and I beleive that strongly.
I'm not writing this as a mod here but as a forum member who has learned from people like yourselves and appreciates the spirit of giving that exists here.
Thanks for reading.

[dinos22]

I'm very glad, Dino! I hope to see your results soon. What are you running them on - 790i. X48 or P45? Thanks!
:)

i am running them on 790i with P05 bios..............i must say that none of my intel boards with ddr3 can even do 2000MHz on RAM let alone any higher so the only way for me to really test these properly is on the best platform for Intel >> nvidia 790i :D:D:D:D

i benchmarked 2D/3D at stock first so 1066MHz CAS9 ..............how cool is 790i....slap 400MHz FSB and 1066MHz on RAM and way you go........no need for crazy tweaking you'd need on Intel and in my opinion most P35/X38 chipsets won't even be able to handle such speeds and if Intel don't fix A2 silicone in P45 you are not going to see that chipset hit such speeds either.....X48 will probably be the only chipset only on selected motherboards that may be able to hit these clocks in large numbers....

......on another note.....CAS9 is OK and all but what can these ICs do on tighter timings as i want to use them during benching sessions :D

so i did some CAS8 benchmarks >>> and 1050MHz was easy :shocked: (easier than my Micron based modules) @ 8-8-8-20 1T 32M SuperPi and even tight subtimings and 3D

it also did great at CAS7 benching at 925MHz 7-7-7-20 1T as well :cool:

i'll knock up a quick thread to show some videos for users tuning their reference 790i boards with these sticks...should help a few ppl hopefully :)

[yankee]

@ bachus and dinos: :rocker: :rocker: Great stuff, keep pushin, always! :rocker: :rocker:

[splmann]

Hello everybody ,

I would like to share my little experience with this Wonderfull Memorys ! This was only a Quicktest.

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cl 7-7-7-20

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cl 8-8-8-20

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cl 9-9-9-24

Sorry Suicide with BlackOps !!


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Regards

splmann

[saaya]

nice results splmann!
did you play with the dll options?
what settings did you use?
what slots did you use?

dinos and tony, cant we all get along? :buddies: :toast: :D

[Yellowbeard]

dinos and tony, cant we all get along? :buddies: :toast: :D:up:

Saaya, I have been so busy I did not pay attention to your job change.

Congratulations! :clap:

[saaya]

thanks :D
the change of job wasnt a big deal, but moving to asia sure was and is :D
its hard to believe, but yes, there are places on this earth with crowds of people who speak no work of english :lol:
im good with languages, but chineese... damn :D

[dinos22]

i was surprised how little English ppl speak in Taiwan
even at places you'd think they'd have some idea like hotel receptionists, cabbies etc heheheh

definitely lots of pretty women over there hehehehe :up:

[dinos22]

dinos and tony, cant we all get along? :buddies: :toast: :D

it's not really a big deal
it was a bit of a misunderstanding actually
i'm not really dirty with anyone direct :up:

[saaya]

i was surprised how little English ppl speak in Taiwan
even at places you'd think they'd have some idea like hotel receptionists, cabbies etc hehehehyeah... and its really cut of from the rest of the world... there are 0 international news here on tv or in the newspapers...

definitely lots of pretty women over there hehehehe :up:yes, loooots of pretty, but barely any beauties.
but thats fine with me :D its hard to find an outspoken open minded girl over here tho, they are all into this "hihi im so shy hihi" stuff which is kinda fun but... come on... were not in junior high anymore :D

only in asia will you find 50 year old women dressing like teenagers and giggling around and talking and moving like they are 12... crazy :D

back on topic, where the hell are your results dinos???? :D

[dinos22]

yeah... and its really cut of from the rest of the world... there are 0 international news here on tv or in the newspapers...

yes, loooots of pretty, but barely any beauties.
but thats fine with me :D its hard to find an outspoken open minded girl over here tho, they are all into this "hihi im so shy hihi" stuff which is kinda fun but... come on... were not in junior high anymore :D

only in asia will you find 50 year old women dressing like teenagers and giggling around and talking and moving like they are 12... crazy :D

back on topic, where the hell are your results dinos???? :D
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:i am getting a crazy visual here of 50yo women doing that :ROTF:

results >> i'm on holidays for 2 months :D
one last LN2 session this weekend with my PC10000 Dominators and Biostar board and then i get to clear my head a little

i'll be back in full force in September....got a couple of Tek4 slims as well to get into 3D a bit more seriously

[saaya]

nice, enjoy your vacation then :toast:
maybe i can find some time to post some 2133ES results then :D

and if you want, i can actually upload a clip of some of those 50yo girls for you :D
there are plenty of them working in my office and the other offices around :D
the funny thing is asians always look way younger than they are, its eally hard to guess peoples age her, they all have really nice skin which is why i guess... but when you see a giggling "girl" dancing around that already has some grey hairs in her pigtails you know shes not 12 :lol: