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p2501

05-18-2008, 04:39 AM

You've got yourself a new folder! After looking around and realizing that I can't take my points from the old team with me (I just joined team Rechenkraft germany at some point because it was a german team, I never had any relation to them lol) I thought to myself "aaah, what the heck". So I joined team XS yesterday. Maybe I lost my points because I also set up the account according to my username here, but I don't care. I fold for a cause.

Currently I'm only folding on the quad in my sig, but I also thought about setting up a x4 9750 95w dedicated machine. I wonder what points I would be getting from that... :rolleyes: (does anyone has experience with dual smp phenom folding with linux?)

I'm glad I joined, you're all great people! Long live XS! :up:

SparkyJJO

05-18-2008, 05:27 AM

p2501

05-18-2008, 06:33 AM

:welcome: glad you are here. But, Germany? Your location says Beermany :shrug: :lol2:

FWIW my X4 9600 stock does anywhere between 1000 PPD on the really slow 2665 project to 1800 on the 2653 project with a single SMP instance in Windows. I don't run dual so I can't help you on that. Perhaps something to get some comparisons out there for you.

Hehe, thank you for the welcome message! :cool:

Those ppd's don't look too bad, maybe someone running dual smp's could clear up if there's any benefit on x4's...

Kingcarcas

05-18-2008, 10:37 AM

:welcome:Sorry but we won't let you on unless you brought enough beer for everyone :shocked:

The_Barnacle

05-18-2008, 10:41 AM

Welcome to the team p2501! :up:

p2501

05-18-2008, 01:41 PM

:welcome:Sorry but we won't let you on unless you brought enough beer for everyone :shocked:

That at least won't be a problem since we have more than enough beer to suit everyones taste! So I guess I'm in? :ROTF:

Welcome to the team p2501! :up:

Thanks alot, I'll try to catch up with you guys! :up:

DAK1640

05-18-2008, 02:08 PM

Welcome p2501...Thanks for helping...:up:

p2501

05-18-2008, 11:11 PM

Welcome p2501...Thanks for helping...:up:

Hehe, thank you! Let's see how long it'll take until I'm back at 500000 points.. :yepp:

Polizei

05-18-2008, 11:19 PM

p2501

05-18-2008, 11:55 PM

:welcome:

:wtf: for XS. :up:

As said before and in other threads, folding is the most important part, not what team you fold for. We are still glad you joined the team though. Kick back, relax, and wander over to the WCG forum and learn how to make off topic posts. ;)

Thanks for your welcome, too! :p:

I know that in the end it's not about for which team I did how many points, but about how many WU's I did, so that Stanford might make their breakthrough. But hell, since I'm lurking around here anyway and got much help from XS, I figured giving back is only fair, ey? :D

But what's about those off topic posts.. I never checked into the wcg section? Some fun going on around there?

coo-coo-clocker

05-19-2008, 03:47 AM

Great to have you on the team.
Nice rig you've got there. You'll be in the top-50 quickly!

p2501

05-19-2008, 04:07 AM

Great to have you on the team.
Nice rig you've got there. You'll be in the top-50 quickly!

Oooh thanks you! It's really nice to have so many people greeting me since I joined the team!

But I have a question: I know I'm getting around 4300ppd with the right wu's on my q6600 and, as I already mentioned, I wanted to setup a dedicated cruncher. So I clicked around a bit in online stores and found out that, with matx board+cheapo 2gig ddr2 800 ram+q6600+case, I would be in the same price range as with an 95w x4 9750. So what I'm asking is, with which machine would I be getting more wu's done at a given time frame? I was thinking of going back to green, but I'm getting the feeling that an AMD setup would be less produtive and more energy consuming than an cheapo q6600, which most likely will do 3-3.2ghz even on stock cooling...

The_Barnacle

05-19-2008, 07:38 AM

Yup, right now a Q6600 will get you more ppd for your dollar than a Phenom.

Polizei

05-19-2008, 08:29 AM

But hell, since I'm lurking around here anyway and got much help from XS, I figured giving back is only fair, ey? :D

But what's about those off topic posts.. I never checked into the wcg section? Some fun going on around there?

Working on the DC projects here is the best way to give back to XS, according to the site owner here.

The off topic posts? It's almost like the WCG guys here try to make off topic posts. Their threads get derailed like you wouldn't believe.

p2501

05-19-2008, 09:07 AM

Yup, right now a Q6600 will get you more ppd for your dollar than a Phenom.

That's just sad, I wanted to build an AMD crunching army. But since I'm a poor student who has to get the most out of the little money he earns with side jobs I guess it'll be an Intel one. Hopefully Deneb will be something worth buying in terms of performance per watt, I have to admit I'm an AMD fanboy. But hush, don't tell anyone, since my last two systems including this were Intel ones... :doh:

Working on the DC projects here is the best way to give back to XS, according to the site owner here.

The off topic posts? It's almost like the WCG guys here try to make off topic posts. Their threads get derailed like you wouldn't believe.

Okay, DC might be the way to go, but I'm a stubborn man, I want to fold! So folding is what my systems will do. But nonetheless will I check the DC sections for some thread derailment reading fun! :up:

SparkyJJO

05-19-2008, 09:23 AM

Polizei

05-19-2008, 09:36 AM

That's just sad, I wanted to build an AMD crunching army. But since I'm a poor student who has to get the most out of the little money he earns with side jobs I guess it'll be an Intel one. Hopefully Deneb will be something worth buying in terms of performance per watt, I have to admit I'm an AMD fanboy. But hush, don't tell anyone, since my last two systems including this were Intel ones... :doh:

Okay, DC might be the way to go, but I'm a stubborn man, I want to fold! So folding is what my systems will do. But nonetheless will I check the DC sections for some thread derailment reading fun! :up:

Great... a Sparky clone. ;)

DC projects I guess I should say, just distributed computing projects in general. Working on any project - WCG, F@H, D2OL, Dimes - is the best way to give back to XS.

SparkyJJO

05-19-2008, 09:41 AM

Polizei, your location is wrong.... ;)

Polizei

05-19-2008, 09:44 AM

:rolleyes:

Don't you have some servers you could be crashing Sparky? ;)

p2501

05-19-2008, 10:08 AM

Hey we can derail threads here.... I've been the culprit of that before :wasntme:

I'm an AMD man too (as you can tell by my sig lol :D) must come from me liking green so much :rolleyes: I haven't given into the darkside yet though! I just bought a phenom which happens to be all screwy so I gotta RMA it... but I don't want to because then my farm will take a big hit. So I bought an X2 to tide me over while I RMA the phenom, then I got to thinking more (dangerous) and bought a cheap AM2 board and nabbed some 1GB DDR2-800 from ebay for $20 so that I can turn the X2 into a cruncher once my phenom returns.... This addiction gets bad sometimes :nuts:

Yes, the dark side. I have to admit that I feel all dirty and bad sometimes because of buying first the e6600 and then the q6600. My excuse was "Hey I want to fold, and I want to play Crysis and StarCraft2, so I need a beefy machine". But not everything is lost, since I still have some two or three weeks to decide what the intestines of the head and diskless fold-zombie nr.1 will look like. And you are so right about going overboard with this kind of addiction. Not to forget the power consumption. But ooh well, it's fun and actually it's for the common good, so I guess no one in here should feel bad about his addiction. As long as the wife/gf is okay with it, hehe..:ROTF:

Btw concerning the matx board you want to buy, I checked around a bit, what about this (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodcpusupport&prod_no=1351&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=#menu) board here?

Great... a Sparky clone. ;)

DC projects I guess I should say, just distributed computing projects in general. Working on any project - WCG, F@H, D2OL, Dimes - is the best way to give back to XS.

Nah, no clone, just someone who gets all weepy when he thinks about the old days, when AMD stood up against Intel and K6 or Athlons ruled the planet. Even if those days are over, I wish that AMD would get their act together, fire some apparently stoopid people and then stand up and fight. I know. Wishful thinking... I'm not saying Intel should die or something, since I find their IA64 arch pretty interesting. It's just a feeling I guess.
what comes to my mind right now after I read these (http://www.gizmag.com/ibms-new-bladecenter/9342/) news, I wonder if folding on a cell would be a massacre...

Polizei

05-19-2008, 10:14 AM

Don't think of me as an Intel fanboy, please. ;)

Back in the day, if I had the money, I would've had an AMD XP 2500+ Barton and a 9800Pro. I'm in whichever camp that performance has pitched its tent in.

p2501

05-19-2008, 10:20 AM

Don't think of me as an Intel fanboy, please. ;)

Fear not, I won't do that. I noticed it's yours and Sparkies thing to poke fun at each other. :rofl:

Back in the day, if I had the money, I would've had an AMD XP 2500+ Barton and a 9800Pro. I'm in whichever camp that performance has pitched its tent in.

Pretty straightforward and pragmatic approach. I wonder if I'll be able to do that.. :rolleyes:

Polizei

05-19-2008, 10:27 AM

Fear not, I won't do that. I noticed it's yours and Sparkies thing to poke fun at each other. :rofl:

Good thing you caught that. We give each other hell for processor choice all the time... it's all in good fun though. :)

The_Barnacle

05-19-2008, 10:43 AM

Yeah, I tried to support AMD as long as they were somewhat close in price/performace. I was a big proponent of AMD-Nvidia platform, but when intel introduced their Core2 (especially the quads) chips and then AMD purchased ATI I kind of lost my enthusiasm for them. Hopefully they can come back with something good to win back customer support...:shrug:

p2501

05-19-2008, 11:03 AM

Good thing you caught that. We give each other hell for processor choice all the time... it's all in good fun though. :)

I guess, and no one should be taking that too serious. :)

Yeah, I tried to support AMD as long as they were somewhat close in price/performace. I was a big proponent of AMD-Nvidia platform, but when intel introduced their Core2 (especially the quads) chips and then AMD purchased ATI I kind of lost my enthusiasm for them. Hopefully they can come back with something good to win back customer support...:shrug:

I hope for that too, but if Deneb isn't the next big thing, what will happen to them? If they start loosing their buissness costumers... the future looks bleak. Intel monoculture, no one wants that.. :down:

sc00p

05-19-2008, 11:05 AM

Kingcarcas

05-19-2008, 11:46 AM

The secret is to build an Intel rig with an AMD HD3870 ;)

p2501

05-19-2008, 11:48 AM

Yo! :welcome: p2501 :up: Hopefully my posts didn't have anything to do with your change :D

BTW: I've still parts on my drawers for a mighty folder :) So if I build that back up, Barton XP3200+, Radeon9800256Mb, 512Mb DDR333Mhz and what not, I could fold one wu in the name of p2501 so you would feel warm and fuzzy and welcomed coming here :rofl::cool::D

...maybe an another wu for sparky so he won't feel left outside lol

second thought: I don't have a spare psu... ?

Hey scoop, thanks for your welcome! And no it's not your fault that I joined, I was wanting to do that anyway.. :cool:

Lol about that mighty folder, would you do that? That would be too kind! See, I told you, you people of the north are something special! :D

That reminds me, I still have that dual xp2100+ with a board and some registered ddr in the basement gathering dust..

The secret is to build an Intel rig with an AMD HD3870 ;)

Hehe, THATS BLASPHEMY! BURRRRRRN! :rofl:

stocius

05-19-2008, 11:57 AM

Working on the DC projects here is the best way to give back to XS, according to the site owner here.

The off topic posts? It's almost like the WCG guys here try to make off topic posts. Their threads get derailed like you wouldn't believe.

Three ridiculously easy ways of derailing threads:

1) Mention the great US State of Ohio

2) Mention the great US State of Ohio and sheep in the same post

3) Include a declarative statement involving Intel and AMD in the same post

Yes, the dark side. I have to admit that I feel all dirty and bad sometimes because of buying first the e6600 and then the q6600. My excuse was "Hey I want to fold, and I want to play Crysis and StarCraft2, so I need a beefy machine". But not everything is lost, since I still have some two or three weeks to decide what the intestines of the head and diskless fold-zombie nr.1 will look like. And you are so right about going overboard with this kind of addiction. Not to forget the power consumption. But ooh well, it's fun and actually it's for the common good, so I guess no one in here should feel bad about his addiction. As long as the wife/gf is okay with it, hehe..:ROTF:

Btw concerning the matx board you want to buy, I checked around a bit, what about this (http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodcpusupport&prod_no=1351&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=#menu) board here?

Nah, no clone, just someone who gets all weepy when he thinks about the old days, when AMD stood up against Intel and K6 or Athlons ruled the planet. Even if those days are over, I wish that AMD would get their act together, fire some apparently stoopid people and then stand up and fight. I know. Wishful thinking... I'm not saying Intel should die or something, since I find their IA64 arch pretty interesting. It's just a feeling I guess.
what comes to my mind right now after I read these (http://www.gizmag.com/ibms-new-bladecenter/9342/) news, I wonder if folding on a cell would be a massacre...

Yes, it would be nice to see AMD actually market and engage in actual business practices.

sc00p

05-19-2008, 12:08 PM

Lol about that mighty folder, would you do that? That would be too kind! See, I told you, you people of the north are something special! :D

:cool:

:D I knew my memory isn't any good :( I looked and found a case and looked inside...
...there was a nice almost complete rig... XP2700+, 1.5Gb DDR333MHz etc... only a cpu cooler is lacking :ROTF::rofl::yepp:
I thought I had already wasted that or I should've threw it away :shrug::p:
...lets see what happens :up:

EDIT: found that radeon 9800Pro256Mb but it has no cooler anymore :confused: Who has nicked that :shrug:

p2501

05-19-2008, 01:10 PM

Three ridiculously easy ways of derailing threads:

1) Mention the great US State of Ohio

2) Mention the great US State of Ohio and sheep in the same post

3) Include a declarative statement involving Intel and AMD in the same post

Yes, it would be nice to see AMD actually market and engage in actual business practices.

Very true. Not just air but somthing solid would be really good. Maybe ATI's new cards will be a beginning. But I don't see something new on the CPU side, Deneb is just a shrink isn't it?

Btw, what is it with Ohio and sheep? Did I miss something? :)

:cool:

:D I knew my memory isn't any good :( I looked and found a case and looked inside...
...there was a nice almost complete rig... XP2700+, 1.5Gb DDR333MHz etc... only a cpu cooler is lacking :ROTF::rofl::yepp:
I thought I had already wasted that or I should've threw it away :shrug::p:
...lets see what happens :up:

EDIT: found that radeon 9800Pro256Mb but it has no cooler anymore :confused: Who has nicked that :shrug:

You can always get some 50 litres of mineral oil and submerge the whole thing in it, put some copper on cpu+gpu and you're all set for the cooling. And if the old crap pile let's out the magic smoke you still have a nice geeky aquarium. With dead parts, bit, nice anyway. :yepp:

SparkyJJO

05-19-2008, 03:00 PM

That reminds me, I still have that dual xp2100+ with a board and some registered ddr in the basement gathering dust..

Dust it off and get it running! :D I used to run a crapload of 700MHz to 1GHz P3s and durons :cool:

BTW on that MSI board, I looked at that one as well... in fact, I ended up buying it :) The AM2+ support (meaning possible quad later, perhaps?) was a good selling point, and that it sound like it may OC a bit better. Good for the brisbane :up:

The_Barnacle

05-19-2008, 04:25 PM

I hope for that too, but if Deneb isn't the next big thing, what will happen to them? If they start loosing their buissness costumers... the future looks bleak. Intel monoculture, no one wants that.. :down:
Who knows, maybe Nvidia will start making CPUs :)

p2501

05-20-2008, 12:38 AM

Dust it off and get it running! :D I used to run a crapload of 700MHz to 1GHz P3s and durons :cool:

BTW on that MSI board, I looked at that one as well... in fact, I ended up buying it :) The AM2+ support (meaning possible quad later, perhaps?) was a good selling point, and that it sound like it may OC a bit better. Good for the brisbane :up:

Nice that you decided for a board, do you intend to work the Brisbane for a while in it or are you going to put a Phenom in there soon? I'm wondering what will happen when you oc a Phenom on this board? Will it melt or burn your house down? I only owned one MSI board until now (I was running a Turion MT-34 on) and that board was a tank. Well of course the Turion didn't put much strain on it but still I wonder if all their boards are like that...

Oh and I won't be dusting off that dual XP machine, I need to watch my performance/watt ratio until I graduate and get a real job! :rolleyes:

Who knows, maybe Nvidia will start making CPUs :)

Wasn't it so that you would need a x86 license to do that, which nVidia doesn't have? Who knows what would happen if they did start making CPU's, knowing that gt200 will be monster in terms of size, what would a CPU from nVidia look like? Double the size of Montecito, because size matters? :ROTF:

Still it would be interesting I guess..

SparkyJJO

05-20-2008, 04:38 AM

Nice that you decided for a board, do you intend to work the Brisbane for a while in it or are you going to put a Phenom in there soon? I'm wondering what will happen when you oc a Phenom on this board? Will it melt or burn your house down? I only owned one MSI board until now (I was running a Turion MT-34 on) and that board was a tank. Well of course the Turion didn't put much strain on it but still I wonder if all their boards are like that...

I plan to run the brisbane for a while. My budget doesn't allow for much. Not all MSI boards are tanks, one recent model people have had issues with them burning through their mosfets too often to be considered a random failure. More like a design flaw. My friend has one of those boards, hopefully it lasts.

p2501

05-20-2008, 05:31 AM

I plan to run the brisbane for a while. My budget doesn't allow for much. Not all MSI boards are tanks, one recent model people have had issues with them burning through their mosfets too often to be considered a random failure. More like a design flaw. My friend has one of those boards, hopefully it lasts.

Well I hope for you that it lasts, even if you can always RMA it, that almost always takes too much time. I hate waiting for RMAs if the vendor isn't willing to send a replacement in advance.. :mad:

My decision if I'm going AMD just got a little more difficult to justify, I read in the news section that Intel is dropping the prices for q6600 even more... gyaaah! :eh:

SparkyJJO

05-20-2008, 08:43 AM

Well I hope for you that it lasts, even if you can always RMA it, that almost always takes too much time. I hate waiting for RMAs if the vendor isn't willing to send a replacement in advance.. :mad:

My decision if I'm going AMD just got a little more difficult to justify, I read in the news section that Intel is dropping the prices for q6600 even more... gyaaah! :eh:

Well I am going to RMA my phenom, the brisbane is going in my DFI 790FX board while the phenom goes in, then when I get the replacement phenom back the brisbane will go into the MSI board I got for its permanent home.

SocketMan

05-20-2008, 09:35 AM

Greetings ! Welcome to the dark side:welcome:

I have a Phenom just like Sparky, please don't hurt me:eek:

I am getting 2500ppd on the GPU2 client:
2 threads (clients) for 1/3870/GDDR4 card. right now
Still have 3 empty PCIe16 slots:rolleyes:

p2501

05-20-2008, 10:56 AM

Well I am going to RMA my phenom, the brisbane is going in my DFI 790FX board while the phenom goes in, then when I get the replacement phenom back the brisbane will go into the MSI board I got for its permanent home.

Nice plan, hopefully everything goes well. I can imagine that the loss of your phenom, be it just for a short while, means a hit to your ppd. But dude, RMA it already! You can't live forever with a broken part, the faster you send it in, the faster will it be a thing of the past! Go for RMA! Oh, good luck for that, hopefully you get a B3 back! :up:

Greetings ! Welcome to the dark side:welcome:

I have a Phenom just like Sparky, please don't hurt me:eek:

I am getting 2500ppd on the GPU2 client:
2 threads (clients) for 1/3870/GDDR4 card. right now
Still have 3 empty PCIe16 slots:rolleyes:

Thanks for your welcome, too! I'm already feeling quite comfortable here at the dark side! :yepp:
But why would I hurt you because you own a Phenom? I like Phenoms, I just don't know yet if I should buy one..:eh: And About your GPU folder, 2 instances on one card works? I mean not that I would go the GPU folding way but it certainly sounds productive! :)

Shadowtester

05-20-2008, 10:57 AM

p2501

05-20-2008, 11:34 AM

With the new AMD Phenom X3 wonder what kind of ppd you could get running 1 GPU2 client and 1 smp client with a high end graphics card or maybe a AMD Phenom X4 with 2 high end graphics cards running 2 GPU2 clients and 1 smp client that could be a real monster folder if you could find a big enough power supply to feed it.

Don't make me think of insane ideas... Like an X4 + 2x 4870x2, running one smp and 4 gpu clients, if thats even possible.. :slobber:
Don't you think one 1kw psu could power that? (Let's forget about the fact that this rig would kill your electricity bill :rolleyes:)

Polizei

05-20-2008, 12:19 PM

Don't make me think of insane ideas... Like an X4 + 2x 4870x2, running one smp and 4 gpu clients, if thats even possible.. :slobber:
Don't you think one 1kw psu could power that? (Let's forget about the fact that this rig would kill your electricity bill :rolleyes:)

A quality 750w could handle that.

The_Barnacle

05-20-2008, 01:19 PM

Each GPU client on a 3870 get around 2000ppd? So 2x 4870x2 could get 10,000ppd on one box? That would be awesome...

SparkyJJO

05-20-2008, 02:16 PM

Nice plan, hopefully everything goes well. I can imagine that the loss of your phenom, be it just for a short while, means a hit to your ppd. But dude, RMA it already! You can't live forever with a broken part, the faster you send it in, the faster will it be a thing of the past! Go for RMA! Oh, good luck for that, hopefully you get a B3 back! :up:

I know I know... it will happen after this weekend once I get the brisbane put in its place so I can still use my PC. It'll hold out until then... I hope :para: And fingers crossed for the B3! Would be sweet if AMD got another core revision out that cut the power consumption and increased overclockability.. like a G0? :D in my dreams! :p:

Each GPU client on a 3870 get around 2000ppd? So 2x 4870x2 could get 10,000ppd on one box? That would be awesome...

Don't know what a 3870 gets PPD-wise, but heck even if it was like 7500 PPD for them that would be nuts! :eek:

The_Barnacle

05-20-2008, 02:24 PM

A box like that would put me right up there with Angra...:shocked:

stocius

05-20-2008, 02:35 PM

Btw, what is it with Ohio and sheep? Did I miss something? :)

Randomly insert a statement with Ohio and sheep and see what happens, lol.:D

p2501

05-20-2008, 02:38 PM

A quality 750w could handle that.

Yes of course, but what you actually see in PSU load tests (check 80plus.org) is that peak efficiency is always around 40-60 percent of total power. So if you choose a smaller PSU just because it could run the box you're actually wasting energy. IMO thats why those 1kw PSU's are not only show off. 200w for an oc'd quad, two 4870x2 ~400-500w. This is exactly the best scenario for a 1kw psu..

Each GPU client on a 3870 get around 2000ppd? So 2x 4870x2 could get 10,000ppd on one box? That would be awesome...

Awesome. :eek:
This rig maybe sucks 600w from the wall. But then again, setup 3 q6600 rigs, they have the same consumption, but set up correctly they produce more ppd. Then again you could actually play crisis on that dual 48070x2. Then again...:nuts:

I know I know... it will happen after this weekend once I get the brisbane put in its place so I can still use my PC. It'll hold out until then... I hope :para: And fingers crossed for the B3! Would be sweet if AMD got another core revision out that cut the power consumption and increased overclockability.. like a G0? :D in my dreams! :p:

Hehe, yes because wasn't that in the news that b3's the last ervision for 65nm amd quads? Still I would have prefered that they kept the name Phenom for the shrink... :shakes:

Randomly insert a statement with Ohio and sheep and see what happens, lol.:D

D'oh.. I fell for it!!! :rofl::ROTF:

Polizei

05-20-2008, 02:44 PM

Yes of course, but what you actually see in PSU load tests (check 80plus.org) is that peak efficiency is always around 40-60 percent of total power. So if you choose a smaller PSU just because it could run the box you're actually wasting energy. IMO thats why those 1kw PSU's are not only show off. 200w for an oc'd quad, two 4870x2 ~400-500w. This is exactly the best scenario for a 1kw psu..

I would check jonnyguru.com about that... most of the reputable companies have 80+ efficiency from 30-90% load. You won't notice a difference between 84% and 80%.