"i strike the empire back..." 15K has fallen // D9GTR @ 1100MHz 32M

[3oh6]

yeah yeah, who cares really but i thought i would post it none the less. i haven't seen another 15k read in Everest but managed to pull it off last night with the EVGA 790i. i have all kinds of crazy benches with this setup i will be posting in a motherboard thread here shortly but for now, here are the two latest accomplishments this board has managed.

http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/small/mcw30-1.jpg (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/mcw30-1.jpg) http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/small/mcw30-2.jpg (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/mcw30-2.jpg)

588MHz x 9 5290MHz / 1102MHz @ 8-7-6
click for full size...
http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/small/588x9_1102_8-7-6_32m-1.png (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/588x9_1102_8-7-6_32m-1.png)

there is water cooling on the north bridge in the form of a Swiftech MCW30/PA 120.2/DD5/MCRES loop. it has obviously helped and allowed for more vSPP voltage. the maximum 32M FSB went from 575MHz @ 1.61v up to 588MHz @ 1.66v. at this point i could be memory or CPU limited, haven't done the appropriate testing to push past.

and the useless Everest milestone...

http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/everest_15K-1.png

when massaged correctly, the 790i platform definitely has some bite :up:

[SeLecT]

Very nice! Great results! :clap::shocked:

Which Vdimm do you use?

[BenchZowner]

Amazing sticks Jody.
And of course, good job ( as always ).

[Eldonko]

Team Canada FTW. :D

[3oh6]

thanks guys :up:

Which Vdimm do you use?
2.15v as measured from the open vDIMM slots. as BZ said, these sticks are simply amazing on this motherboard. they were great on the Maximus Extreme, but they love the 790i. i benched 3d for pretty much a week straight at 1080MHz+ at 2.15v and not a single memory related issue.

i also just got a D9JNL kit from Crucial today so it will be interesting to see how they stack up at high frequencies.

[Gautam]

Holy crap. :eek:

[SeLecT]

Nice vdimm!

That is then really impressive! :D

[M.Beier]

Good work mate :)

[Oliver]

Sweet work Jody and the g.skill d9gtr kit is really sweet, the kit M.Beier have does also quite good, sadly not tested on 790i yet...

Keep pushing it.

[MaSell]

loves the mem div :D

[Data_]

Awesome, great results and sticks....

[zsamz_]

wow 15k:eek::clap::clap: nice job
nice cpu you got there

[saaya]

congrats! hehehe the nb block was kinda tight there eh? :D
beautiful pics of a beautiful setup, as always :D

[EnJoY]

Nice!!!! Very impressive! :clap:

[Misko]

beautiful :clap:

[Achill3uS]

GTR roxx, i never liked JNL ;) congrats, impressive result! :up:

[alexio]

Very nicely done. Killer setup you got there :up:

[M.Beier]

My friend, can you try cranking up the vdimm another 0.25v and try same with CL7-6-6-18 ?

[ChinStrap]

:slobber:

[gundamit]

yeah yeah, who cares really but i thought i would post it none the less. Uh ... this kind of wildly entertaining stuff is the reason I frequent XS. Its great. Keep it coming! :D

[I34z1k]

Wow, that's awesome!!!

I missed what sticks those are...?

[dinos22]

My friend, can you try cranking up the vdimm another 0.25v and try same with CL7-6-6-18 ?

790i doesn't play as nice on 7-6-x-x as it does on 8-7-x-x



jody is killing it with this board
very inspiring to watch :yepp:

[3oh6]

thanks guys...i absolutely love this setup right now and am glad your enjoying the show as much as i am.

congrats! hehehe the nb block was kinda tight there eh? :D
yeah man, the block is pinched right up against the insulation, i thought i was going to have to cut some out but the mount seems to be good so it stays as is. not sure how i am going to get a pot on there for some real cooling but hopefully there is a bit more space when i put the CPU pot on instead of the single stage...fingers crossed.

My friend, can you try cranking up the vdimm another 0.25v and try same with CL7-6-6-18 ?
as Dino said, this board isn't a fan of CL7. my kit of Dominators did manage 960MHz dual 32M at 7-6-5 2.1v but i honestly haven't really pushed for single 32M or anything at CL7. i will give it a go if i find some time but the JNL Ballistix are in the hot seat right now so it might be a little while.

Wow, that's awesome!!!

I missed what sticks those are...?
G.Skill F3-12800CL7D-2GBHZ...my black beauties. they are the older ones with D9GTR, apparently they come with D9JNL now.

jody is killing it with this board
very inspiring to watch :yepp:
thanks man...i really just feel like i am along for the ride with this board. there is much more in her, i can just feel it :D

[hipro5]

15K IS something interesting there...... ;) :up:
Well done M8...... :D

[Miravo]

Good job :)

[DStealth]

AWESOME :shocked:

You need x10 multi and 32M sub 8 and WR is yours ;)

[jesperme]

Nice!

[Astri]

Looks like GDDR3 to me :clap:
Nice job man

[George_o/c]

OMG ! :eek: Amazing work man :up: And look at that GSkill kit going crazy ! :p: These G.Skill are always equipped with D9GTR chips ? ... Isn't there a possibility they are equipped with the JNL ones ?

[Hyperhorn]

790i + Jody = perfect match :clap:
I'm absolutely spellbound by your efficiency. Just using a E8500 at the same FSB would give you 5586 Mhz and ~8m 11s, want to try that? ;)

[3oh6]

cheers guys :up:

OMG ! :eek: Amazing work man :up: And look at that GSkill kit going crazy ! :p: These G.Skill are always equipped with D9GTR chips ? ... Isn't there a possibility they are equipped with the JNL ones ?
yes, apparently they come with JNL now people are reporting. not sure if any still have GTR or not though. not sure if it is visible in CPU-Z or not in the screenshot, but these sticks are dated 38/07. no idea how accurate that is or not but they are definitely an older pair. i have had them since the end of 07.

790i + Jody = perfect match :clap:
I'm absolutely spellbound by your efficiency. Just using a E8500 at the same FSB would give you 5586 Mhz and ~8m 11s, want to try that? ;)
thanks man. yeah, i was thinking about trying to find a decent E8500 but at $300/pop and harder to resell here locally for little loss, un-like E8400s, i decided i would just wait it out until E8600s dropped. if i had access to LN2 i would definitely grab a couple E8500s as the odds of being able to get 5600MHz would be decent but with just dry ice those odds drop pretty drastically.

if someone has an E8500 that is known to clock this well under dry ice then i would definitely be willing to pay a somewhat reasonable price for it ;) .

i just wish you could send chips into Intel and pay the difference to have the multi un-locked higher if you found a gem like this one :D

[zsamz_]

3oh6 ncix has 50 e8500 cpus on sale today @ 295$

[G H Z]

I'd say you reached the top of 'Everest' with that one :clap:

[3oh6]

I'd say you reached the top of 'Everest' with that one :clap:
:rofl:

so cheesy yet so funny...thanks man, made my morning.

[George_o/c]

1) yes, apparently they come with JNL now people are reporting. not sure if any still have GTR or not though. not sure if it is visible in CPU-Z or not in the screenshot, but these sticks are dated 38/07. no idea how accurate that is or not but they are definitely an older pair. i have had them since the end of 07.

2) i just wish you could send chips into Intel and pay the difference to have the multi un-locked higher if you found a gem like this one :D

1) Thanks for the answer Jody :) I am planning on buying a new benching rig in summer (I have here 8 Northwoods + 2 Asus P4P800 I'm bored of playing with :p:), and I am interested in buying a decent 1600MHz DDR3 kit ;) Thus, I was talking with a good friend of mine about a month ago about DDR3 1600MHz kits (he's in xtremesystems, and likes playing with RAMs mostly :D), and I asked him, with what chips are these G.Skill (the ones you used) equipped with ... He told me that there is a small chance they are equipped with GTR, but mostly with JNL ;) I later understood that he was right, as for example hipro has also one G.Skill PC12800 kit equipped with GTR ;)

2) Yeah, that would be fantastic :yepp: But what are the odds of that happening ? :D ( I already know the answer that's why I can't help but laugh with my question :p: :ROTF:)

[3oh6]

2) Yeah, that would be fantastic :yepp: But what are the odds of that happening ? :D ( I already know the answer that's why I can't help but laugh with my question :p: :ROTF:)
yeah, i think we all know the answer on that one...and we don't like it ';)

[Kabauterman]

DAMN GOOD!

What NB Voltage used?
my board dosn't start with 1030 CL8 2.2V
but 1000 MHz runs with only 1.95 V

[Don_Dan]

Yeah, those are some really crazy Everest benchmark results! :clap:

What NB Voltage used?


Have a look in his first post! I think vSPP is what you are asking for! ;)

[3oh6]

DAMN GOOD!

What NB Voltage used?
all the info according to BIOS readings is in the SPi screenshot and the same settings were used for the 15K shot as well. to save you a couple clicks though, it is 1.66v for vSPP according to the BIOS reading but the reading from the coil right at the SPP is 1.672v. i think the read point from the coil is correct but not 100%.

going over 1.67v didn't seem to help much at all. it really would have been nice to have an on-die temp sensor for the SPP as the readings in Everest are not on-die temps, just a surface sensor to my understanding.

[gandalfone]

Wow...I love that spi;)

[3oh6]

Wow...I love that spi;)
thanks man...i would like it even better at 620FSB ;)

**edited because this kit of Crucials is not JNL, it turned out to be GTS which makes sense with the timings it was running.**

Crucial Ballistix PC3-16000 (D9GTS) @ 2.10V (actual)...just a teaser to the OC Report:

click for full size
http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/small/dual32m_8-7-6_1100-1.png (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/dual32m_8-7-6_1100-1.png)

[hipro5]

WTF are you doing M8?........ :shocked:
1100MHz (2200MHz DDR) with 1T?..... STABLE SP 32M?.....

[3oh6]

WTF are you doing M8?........ :shocked:
1100MHz (2200MHz DDR) with 1T?..... STABLE SP 32M?.....
haha, not SP 32M...SP dual 32M :D

i will also have a second kit of memory join the 15K club on this board shortly. the Ballistix are starting to really take off. it would be a dream if they scaled up to 2.20v but i don't think i am that lucky.

[Oliver]

Sweet update Jody...

[hipro5]

Ahhhhh.......Oliver I'll smack your arss..... :D
WHERE is your TM that we all love to see in every post of yours and that you became beloved to all of us?..... :(
Are you geting old or what?...... :(

[Gautam]

:lol:

Okay Jody, you're very very seriously enticing me to enter the unchartered realm of CAS 8. How much longer can I hold out?? Unfortunately my Pi times and Everest numbers are guaranteed to be junk tho without P1/P2. :-/

[M.Beier]

Jody,
They're not shipped with GTR anymore, no....

[3oh6]

:lol:

Okay Jody, you're very very seriously enticing me to enter the unchartered realm of CAS 8. How much longer can I hold out?? Unfortunately my Pi times and Everest numbers are guaranteed to be junk tho without P1/P2. :-/
if i have to convince you 'CL7 rul3z CL8 suckorz' guys one at a time...then so be it, but it will be done. at this rate, these JNL will start their own club...16K ;)

[Gautam]

Nah, I'm all for big clocks. And frankly I feel too inexperienced with DDR3 to comment. I've really never tried anything besides CAS 7 on these sticks, and was pretty pleased. Sure I'm a BH5 diehard that hasn't fully recovered yet, and hate anything looser than 2-2-2-5, but what can ya do? :shrug:

I've read on more than one occasion that 800 CL6 ~ 900 CL7 ~ 1000 CL8...any truth to that in your opinion??

JNL is that good eh...

[BenchZowner]

For high CL8 clocks D9JNL is the way to go.
I have yet to see a single D9GTR kit reach DDR3-2150+ Dual SPi32M stable, but I've seen 3 D9JNL reach DDR3-2150+ Dual SP32m stable.

I think I'll be hunting a good D9JNL kit soon :(

[3oh6]

Sure I'm a BH5 diehard that hasn't fully recovered yet, and hate anything looser than 2-2-2-5, but what can ya do? :shrug:
still running my benching BH-5 in my daily AMD rig...the one i am responding on now. i know where your coming from.

I've read on more than one occasion that 800 CL6 ~ 900 CL7 ~ 1000 CL8...any truth to that in your opinion??
i would say that is the natural thought process. i haven't really gone as far to test them all directly like that but have done some similar comparisons in DDR3 reviews. i think that sounds about right, but it also depends on what your testing i think. in 32M, like it has been for so long...higher frequency rules all. hell, my TCC5 would always out run my BH-5 back in the day...but i wouldn't make that claim in public until now :D

JNL is that good eh...
i don't know about all kits, but this one sure is. just spit out dual 32M 1112MHz @ 2.10v w/pretty much the same sub-timings as above, just slightly looser. if they continue to scale at 20~25MHz per 0.05v up to 2.20v, then 1150MHz dual 32M may be in reach...that is a scary thought.

[George_o/c]

WTF are you doing M8?........ :shocked:
1100MHz (2200MHz DDR) with 1T?..... STABLE SP 32M?.....

Yeah, Jody is determined to drive us crazy with these sticks :eek2: 1100MHz DUAL SPi 32M is just :eek: ... scary should I say ? :D

I have yet to see a single D9GTR kit reach DDR3-2150+ Dual SPi32M stable, but I've seen 3 D9JNL reach DDR3-2150+ Dual SP32m stable.

We 're still talking CL8 here huh ? :D 3 of 'em ? :eek: Bill, could you say which please ? :) Just to take them into consideration when I buy my bench rig in a month or so ... ;)

Sure I'm a BH5 diehard that hasn't fully recovered yet, and hate anything looser than 2-2-2-5, but what can ya do? :shrug:

Oh yes I know that feeling my friend :) ... Mushkin Level 2 PC3200 @ 270MHz+ 2-2-2-5 ... :yepp:

:off: :D Back then, did anyone manage to get his bh5 do CL1 ? :shrug:

i don't know about all kits, but this one sure is. just spit out dual 32M 1112MHz @ 2.10v w/pretty much the same sub-timings as above, just slightly looser. if they continue to scale at 20~25MHz per 0.05v up to 2.20v, then 1150MHz dual 32M may be in reach...that is a scary thought.

It is a scary though indeed ... :p: :shocked:

So let me get this straight here ... As far as 790i is concerned, if someone wants his memory frequency at around 900MHz benchable, for highest possible performance he should use a GTR kit @ CL7, right ? If though, one aims at sky high frequencies then his choice should definitely be a JNL @ CL8 ... ?

I find your tests Jody, more than interesting, and for sure a lot of helpful ;) Keep 'em coming :up:

[BenchZowner]

We 're still talking CL8 here huh ? :D 3 of 'em ? :eek: Bill, could you say which please ? :) Just to take them into consideration when I buy my bench rig in a month or so ... ;)

This one.
One other G.Skill of a friend. And a Super Talent E.S. that I played with ( not my kit, not on my hardware, just run some memtest with it on a eVGA 790i board ) [ was helping him in setting up and tweaking his new pc ]

So let me get this straight here ... As far as 790i is concerned, if someone wants his memory frequency at around 900MHz benchable, for highest possible performance he should use a GTR kit @ CL7, right ? If though, one aims at sky high frequencies then his choice should definitely be a JNL @ CL8 ... ?

Well, on the Striker II Extreme with BIOS 0601 ( the one I'm running atm ) 7-6-5-21 clocking sucks big time.
Same goes for 6-5-5-18.

I'd say a high clocking 6-5-5 kit or a really high clocking 7-7-6 or 8-7-6 kit.

[M.Beier]

For high CL8 clocks D9JNL is the way to go.
I have yet to see a single D9GTR kit reach DDR3-2150+ Dual SPi32M stable, but I've seen 3 D9JNL reach DDR3-2150+ Dual SP32m stable.

I think I'll be hunting a good D9JNL kit soon :(

If ever I get a 790i board, you can count on me to give that a shot... Else, with nehalemn, you can be sure too see such numbers ;)

4x2GB JNL should be on their way... :)

[EnJoY]

Oh yes I know that feeling my friend :) ... Mushkin Level 2 PC3200 @ 270MHz+ 2-2-2-5 ... :yepp:

:off: :D Back then, did anyone manage to get his bh5 do CL1 ? :shrug:

I had over 30+ sets of BH-5. KHX, Corsair, Mushkin LVL2 Black...and my favorite...the OCZ PC3500 LE's. I too am a BH-5 whore.

Btw, CL1 was never possible as it was a technical impossibility on both the nForce chipsets northbridge and later in the Athlon 64 IMC. As was CL1.5, despite it being an option on DFI boards.

[Gautam]

This one.
One other G.Skill of a friend. And a Super Talent E.S. that I played with ( not my kit, not on my hardware, just run some memtest with it on a eVGA 790i board ) [ was helping him in setting up and tweaking his new pc ]



Well, on the Striker II Extreme with BIOS 0601 ( the one I'm running atm ) 7-6-5-21 clocking sucks big time.
Same goes for 6-5-5-18.

I'd say a high clocking 6-5-5 kit or a really high clocking 7-7-6 or 8-7-6 kit.

7-6-5 seems to suck on 790i, but loosen it to 7-6-6 and it flies. :)

[3oh6]

7-6-5 seems to suck on 790i, but loosen it to 7-6-6 and it flies. :)
that is what i have found so far as well, but 7-6-6 didn't gain me much. that was also right after i got the board so things might be a bit different.

**edited because the Crucials turned out not to be JNL...GTS instead :D**

[clo007]

nice overclocks

[dinos22]

Jody is right IMO
8-7-6-x 1T is where it hits the sweet spot on this chipset

790i doesn't have much over Intel i CAS7 but CAS8 it is definitely better in my experience with Nvidia ref. vs. Gigabyte and Asus Intel boards

[George_o/c]

I had over 30+ sets of BH-5. KHX, Corsair, Mushkin LVL2 Black...and my favorite...the OCZ PC3500 LE's. I too am a BH-5 whore.

Btw, CL1 was never possible as it was a technical impossibility on both the nForce chipsets northbridge and later in the Athlon 64 IMC. As was CL1.5, despite it being an option on DFI boards.

Thanks for the answer m8 ;) Another great DDR kit is OCZ Gold VX PC4000 1G kit (utt chips) ;) 255MHz @ 2-2-2-5 @ 3 Volts is TOO easy (on a DFI ;))

[M.Beier]

Thanks for the answer m8 ;) Another great DDR kit is OCZ Gold VX PC4000 1G kit (utt chips) ;) 255MHz @ 2-2-2-5 @ 3 Volts is TOO easy (on a DFI ;))

And the G.Skill F1-PC3200-1GBHS I belive that were their name... 277-283mhz 2x512MB... ;) I belive I hit 287mhz as far as I remember...

[George_o/c]

And the G.Skill F1-PC3200-1GBHS I belive that were their name... 277-283mhz 2x512MB... ;) I belive I hit 287mhz as far as I remember...

Really ? hmmm, I might search for one :p:

[M.Beier]

Really ? hmmm, I might search for one :p:

My Ultra-D didnt want to run 4v stable... I only used 3.93v, aircooled :rofl:

[3oh6]

My Ultra-D didnt want to run 4v stable... I only used 3.93v, aircooled :rofl:
ahhh, those were the days. when motherboards only wanted to supply 3.93v to memory...and the memory took it with a smile on its face ;)

[PytonOrm]

Holy Crap dude :eek: nice work there m8

[George_o/c]

My Ultra-D didnt want to run 4v stable... I only used 3.93v, aircooled :rofl:
ahhh, those were the days. when motherboards only wanted to supply 3.93v to memory...and the memory took it with a smile on its face ;)

Hehe ... :) And then hipro came with the Maximizer and telling us this he drove us crazy :eek: :p:

The voltage WITH the dip switches will go up to 3.60Volts(for more "secure" reasons) and with the trimmer will be up to 4Volts for more "dangerous" overclocking....... :D

[Darkstormz]

Impressive speeds and T1. WOW!

[3oh6]

Holy Crap dude :eek: nice work there m8

Impressive speeds and T1. WOW!
thanks guys...just doing my duty of beating these incredible sticks.

just a small update with a pinch higher and a 1M SPi at the highest frequency to boot...

596MHz x 9 5362MHz / 1117MHz @ 8-7-6 :: 1M - 8.609 // Everest - 15070
click for full size...
http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/small/1m_596x9-1.png (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/reviews/mb/evga790i/1m_596x9-1.png)

[George_o/c]

Jody, breathtaking results :eek: These G.Skills have really taken me aback with these impressive clocks ... They kick ass in high frequencies ;) What should my choice be as far as the 1600MHz kit is concerned ... ? Cellshock, G.Skill, Supertalent ... hmm :shrug: :D Well, I think I have to go and continue studying :p: 'cause tomorrow, the exams will start ... 1st Lesson is Greek Language combined with Composition writing ... ;) I've revised all the book several times, one more won't hurt me though ;)

[quake6]

Could somebody explain GTS,GTR and JNL chips... I'm lost in it... And does new sets of G.Skill 12800 Cl7-7-7-18 HZ series come with JNL chips? Thanks

[I34z1k]

:| Wow those sticks ROCK. Volts for latest speeds?

[George_o/c]

Could somebody explain GTS,GTR and JNL chips... I'm lost in it... And does new sets of G.Skill 12800 Cl7-7-7-18 HZ series come with JNL chips? Thanks

Yeah, the new G.Skill 12800 kits are coming with JNL (well in most of the cases ;)) ... GTR = ~GTS (maybe GTR are a little better - not for sure though ;)) > JNL ;) And in 790i terms it seems that, if you want CL6 or CL7 high freqs you should stick with GTR or GTS, but if you want CL8 high freqs (one main advantage of 790i) you should choose JNL :)

[M.Beier]

Could somebody explain GTS,GTR and JNL chips... I'm lost in it... And does new sets of G.Skill 12800 Cl7-7-7-18 HZ series come with JNL chips? Thanks

GTS & GTR: 8x balled
JNM & JNL: 7x balled

GTS & GTR was more expensive, and less severe productionline.
JNL is in massproduction, JNM is as well I belive - But JNM has some issues (wont go into details)

GTS & JNM is 1333 CL: 9
GTR & JNL is 1066 CL: 7

All chips officially operates at same voltage.

- New sets of G.Skill 12800 CL7 is JNL, yes, but this might change.. But currently they are I belive...

GTS isnt on many kits...

EDIT:
Those AINT mhz, but DDR-ratings... Thats 666mhz / 533mhz....

[saaya]

gtr/gts and jnl/jnm are different chip revisions made in a different process, jnl/jnm are the newer ones and use a smaller package with less solder balls.
gts/gtr scaled with more vdimm than jnl/jnm, and could run lower trcd and trp than jnl/jnm can. ie 765 for gtr/gts vs 777 or 776 for jnl/jnm
At the same voltage jnl/jnm clock better than gtr/gts, and, like george o/c said, for cas6 and cas7 gtr/gts seem to be slighty better while for cas8 jnl/jnm seem to be better.

again, this doesnt apply to all chips, some good jnl/jnm like our cellshock 1866 kits can reach 1900-2000 cas7 :D
So not all jnl/jnm chips clock bad with cas7... :)

Overall I can hint that jnl/jnm have a MUCH wider field of yields than GTR/GTS ever had.
This means the difference between the best and the worst is pretty large for JNL/JNM while it was rather low for GTR/GTS

[3oh6]

:| Wow those sticks ROCK. Volts for latest speeds?
it's in the screenshot...2.203v at the DIMM slot. i might have be able to do it with less, that's just what i had set.

[quake6]

Is there any ddr3 chip list? Cause ramlist isn't working...
I can choose between

OCZ 1600MHz Platinum 7-6-6
G. Skill 1600MHz HZ series 7-7-7
OCZ 2000MHz Platinum 9-9-9
Corsair 1600MHz 7-7-7

It is for E8400,Maximus Extreme...

Sorry for OT

[M.Beier]

Is there any ddr3 chip list? Cause ramlist isn't working...
I can choose between

OCZ 1600MHz Platinum 7-6-6
G. Skill 1600MHz HZ series 7-7-7
OCZ 2000MHz Platinum 9-9-9
Corsair 1600MHz 7-7-7

It is for E8400,Maximus Extreme...

Sorry for OT

By those specs, the OCZ...
But I know which one I would pick....

None of them are 1600/2000mhz btw....

[3oh6]

i don't like chip lists because the ICs that come on modules change so often. for instance, the early G.Skill HZs were D9GTR, but now are all D9JNL. the 1000MHz Ballistix in my signature i just posted are D9GTS but lots of users have gotten D9JNL. at this point though it is pretty much the understanding that most 1000MHz kits are going to be D9JNL and obviously some 800MHz 7-7-7 kits are D9JNL now so expect all manufacturers to follow suit to bring costs down. the 900MHz 7-7-7 kits are likely going to still be D9GTR/D9GTS but if D9JNL is binning for that slot, don't be surprised to see it there either.

it is so hard to recommend memory because there are so many factors involved including what you are running for FSB, what your motherboard can run as far as tRD goes, what your needs for the system are, and your budget. i personally would recommend what ever is cheapest out of that list because the differences are going to be minimal and for daily use, the difference isn't going to be seen anyway. perhaps the OCZ 1000MHz kit if anything because then you are guaranteed a 1000MHz kit and can always run them at 7-7-7 at lower clocks if the system warrants it. they are dirt cheap here in Canada too.

and BTW, this is a DDR3 thread...so definitely not off topic ;)

[quake6]

Then what to pick? And if you know say what chip is on that memory
Maybe OCZ ReaperX 133M3MHz 6-5-5-18?

[saaya]

i don't like chip lists because the ICs that come on modules change so often. for instance, the early G.Skill HZs were D9GTR, but now are all D9JNL. the 1000MHz Ballistix in my signature i just posted are D9GTS but lots of users have gotten D9JNL. at this point though it is pretty much the understanding that most 1000MHz kits are going to be D9JNL and obviously some 800MHz 7-7-7 kits are D9JNL now so expect all manufacturers to follow suit to bring costs down. the 900MHz 7-7-7 kits are likely going to still be D9GTR/D9GTS but if D9JNL is binning for that slot, don't be surprised to see it there either.sorry to dissapoint you, but 1800 777 kits are with d9jnl as well afaik.... actually D9JNL/JNM has better yields with 1800 cas7 than D9GTR/GTS from what ive seen.

when you max out the volts GTR/GTS beats JNL/JNM with cas7, but for an official spec with a not so high voltage... JNL/JNM beats GTR/GTS...

Well at least here at cellshock we dont change chips at all.
for the D9JNL we made new products that clearly differ from the GTR stuff...
But it seems everybody else is making it a big secret what chips they use... :D

[quake6]

I wont go over 2.2v max max is 2.3v,so than better jnl?

[The0men]

Just got onto this thread, 15+k in everest is astonishing, the other figures arn't too shabby either. Nice work...

Now I just need somewhere to live and some money so I can get some DDR3 going lol.

[saaya]

I wont go over 2.2v max max is 2.3v,so than better jnl?i wouldnt go over 2.1v 24/7 with D9GTR/GTS... :D
so gtr or gts or jnl or jnm will all be fine.
its more about what cpu your running.
quadcore = limited by fsb, so gtr/gts will get you slightly better results cause you can run slightly higher cas6 with low fsb/memspeed

dualcore, especially 45nm, jnl/jnm are better for high fsb/mem clocks with cas7 and cas8 :) just look at 3oh6's results :D perfect example

[M.Beier]

I wont go over 2.2v max max is 2.3v,so than better jnl?

JNL is the better at low voltage it seems, especially as they dont scale with voltage....

But Yet, I am to see the pair of JNL that will do 920mhz+ 6-6-5-12 trfc sub50, 32M stable.... Should be possible with most GTR/GTS at around 2.25-2.325v

[quake6]

Ok,thanks...And one more question,I hope you wont be mad :)

1333MHz 6-5-5-15 cant be elpida or something like that? I was looking for OCZ ReaperX 1333MHz CL 6-5-5-18

[M.Beier]

Ok,thanks...And one more question,I hope you wont be mad :)

1333MHz 6-5-5-15 cant be elpida or something like that? I was looking for OCZ ReaperX 1333MHz CL 6-5-5-18

Hmm, too my knowledge, maybe my memory is a little bad - others then micron dont run low lats...

But those are 666mhz :)
Another thing is micron, the current is usually rated to 1.8-2.0v by manuf... :)

The micron spec on all current chips is: 1.5v, later some with lower will be released.

[quake6]

So this could be micron?
Some additional page...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=171375
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemory/ddr3ram/2gboczreaperx1333pc310666.html

[George_o/c]

Hmmm, interesting info gathered in this thread in the past few days ;)

[saaya]

JNL is the better at low voltage it seems, especially as they dont scale with voltage....it DOES scale with vdimm :D
it just stops scaling at lower vdimm than GTR/GTS

920mhz+ 6-6-5-12 trfc sub50, 32M stable....Should be possible with most GTR/GTS at around 2.25-2.325vuhmmmm no :lol:
and stop bashing JNL just cause it cant run as tight lats as GTR and GTS, look at jodys results, try to beat that with your beloved GTR/GTS at tight lats :D


1333MHz 6-5-5-15 cant be elpida or something like that? I was looking for OCZ ReaperX 1333MHz CL 6-5-5-18
not that i know of, elpida ddr3 needs high trcd :)
this is either old micron ddr3 or new micron ddr3, most likely new micron.


The micron spec on all current chips is: 1.5v, later some with lower will be released.
you mean the 1.35v ddr3 chips? they are already out

[M.Beier]

Jody, sorry for this post...
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Whats up with your mornings posts?
This one, the one in Bachus' thread... What are you upto Sascha? Is this really what you want?

it DOES scale with vdimm :D
it just stops scaling at lower vdimm than GTR/GTS
IT stops scaling, and can handle HIGHER voltage without dying, GTR/GTS dies of voltage before stops scaling, this is OBVIOUSLY where Im getting at, its a overclocking/benchmarking community, not a guidance community for how to put your computer together...

uhmmmm no :lol:
and stop bashing JNL just cause it cant run as tight lats as GTR and GTS, look at jodys results, try to beat that with your beloved GTR/GTS at tight lats :D
As I've told you MULTIPLE times, I DONT HAVE A 790, how can I state it more clearly?? Do I need to send you an email as well?
- And please, what makes you think that I dont have more then one kit and more chips, including JNL?


you mean the 1.35v ddr3 chips? they are already out
SAMPLING, not massproduction... Why do you write they're out, when they're not? You have sight of this, why do you wish to state something false??? Your creditability isnt exactly high when you make such statements...

http://www.micron.com/products/dram/ddr3/partlist.aspx

[George_o/c]

All right guys, no need to destroy Jody's thread, don't forget it's about a wonderful milestone being completed ;) Why don't you lower your tones, and try to discuss like civilized people ... Do not use irony, no point in doing that (Sascha ;)) ... Do not also flah, flah, bla, bla about things, that you are not sure about - especially when you haven't tested your memory in more than one chipsets (and that's Intel ... huge difference from 790i, Marc that's to you ;)).

I'm not implementing that I'm more experienced than you guys (you are a 100 times more experienced than me, to be more specific :)), but some things are pretty damn' obvious and I have to tell them ... :( Let us all inexperienced users, being inspired from your knowledge and learn new things :up:

P.S. Marc what did you find inappropriate of Sascha to say in Bachus' thread ? :confused: He just said that DDR3 2133C9 is still a dream, as far as 24/7 is concerned ;)

[saaya]

m.beier, dont apologize, you know your starting to argue again, so why dont you just stop it instead of doing it and then apologizing?
if something i said pssed you off im sorry ok? ill just keep it to hardware and will ignore everything else

from what ive seen a lot of gtr/gts stop scaling at 2.1v or barely scale above 2.1v, and ive tested thousands of sticks... so please trust me when i say this.
until today i havent heard of a single stick of d9jnl that died... so i dont know if d9gtr/gts can survive higher voltages. its pretty pointless with jnl to run higher voltages though since they dont run stable with those high volts

what does a 790 board have to do with this?
look at michals results and mike guavas and metros and siouxs results. you dont need a 790 board for huge mem clocks

if you had a jnl kit and played with it then you would stop talking about JNL running 6-5-5 timings, cause thats nonsense...
i got the impression you keep saying that to make JNL and JNM look inferior to GTR/GTS, but as i said, look at this and other threads, the new chips are different but not inferior, at least in my opinion

You can buy 1.35v ddr3 chips in large quantities... whether microns official status is sampling or mass production means little.
Microns first DDR3 chips were officially only sampling for months after every memory mfg had already started selling kits...

back on topic:
jody, did you ever go on a suicide screenshot hunt with this combo? :D
im curious how close you could get to michals results since you seem to have a great board and several sweet sets of mem :D
in the past competition is what REALLY made michal shine...
maybe if somebody gets close to or beats his results he will spend more time on xs again trying to reach even higher scores hehehe :)

[George_o/c]

maybe if somebody gets close to or beats his results he will spend more time on xs again trying to reach even higher scores hehehe :)

Hehe :D Good point though :)

[3oh6]

George, Sascha, thanks. Marc...:banana::banana::banana::banana: off.
back on topic:
jody, did you ever go on a suicide screenshot hunt with this combo? :D
im curious how close you could get to michals results since you seem to have a great board and several sweet sets of mem :D
in the past competition is what REALLY made michal shine...
maybe if somebody gets close to or beats his results he will spend more time on xs again trying to reach even higher scores hehehe :)
i haven't gone straight up suicide running with any of my sticks because i really don't see the point. anytime i go over 2.1v i really want there to be a reason for it...and usually 32M SPi benching is it.

so far i have all but matched Michals dual 32M at 1114MHz and his max validation with dual channel at 1134MHz with the Ballistix at 8-7-6 but that single channel validation is just crazy. i might have to go to single stick to see what it will do but i won't be going too high with the volts for it...it might not need much either. i also haven't even set CL9 on this 790i so i might have to see how these two kits scale from 8-7-6 up to the same 9-9-9 Michal is running with those Dominators. i don't really expect much of a difference but you never know.

[TheKarmakazi]

Im always late to the party...:bday2:

Great results man, keep tearing it up on the 790. Lets see some DICE on that cpu too :clap::clap:

[saaya]

i haven't gone straight up suicide running with any of my sticks because i really don't see the point. anytime i go over 2.1v i really want there to be a reason for it...and usually 32M SPi benching is it.
hmmm your right, thats what ive been saying as well, its just that i wanted to see some competition for michal hehehe.
but the right way is to get michal to post more 32m and not to get everybody else to do more suicide screenshots... :D

i also haven't even set CL9 on this 790i so i might have to see how these two kits scale from 8-7-6 up to the same 9-9-9 Michal is running with those Dominators. i don't really expect much of a difference but you never know.from what ive heard, stability wise... it barely helps at all... for suicide screenshots it might help more...

[George_o/c]

but the right way is to get michal to post more 32m and not to get everybody else to do more suicide screenshots... :D

hehehehe :D

from what ive heard, stability wise... it barely helps at all... for suicide screenshots it might help more...

So if for example one manages to have his rams run stable at 900 with CL8 for 24/7 on 790i (790i & 24/7 ... :p: :ROTF: - god damn' you Striker another data corruption again :lol:), and then he plays at 900MHz with CL9 he won't gain anything as far as stability is concerned ? Why's that happening, can someone plz explain ? :confused:

[saaya]

i really dont know... tbh, on intel boards i never saw a gain for cas9 over cas8... never...
at any voltage from 1.5v to 2.3v i never saw a gain... but i tested in 25mhz steps... so maybe it does help, but less than 25mhz... :D
on 790 it seems that cas9 helps more than on intel chipsets... i suspect that the chipset actually likes cas9 and its not really the mem that needs it.
but im not sure...

anyways, from what ive heard cas9 gives 0mhz to 40mhz boost over cas8. so 2000 888 and 2040 999
thats in benching stable, not suicide screenshots, and its with micron chips.
other chips might actually like cas9 a lot more and scale more with it.
Quimonda and samsungs older chips for example loved high cas.

[George_o/c]

i really dont know... tbh, on intel boards i never saw a gain for cas9 over cas8... never...

From what I've seen yeah, generally Intel boards do not clock very well in terms of both CL8 and CL9 ... Hence, why someone should even bother about gains for CL9 over CL8 ? :p:

at any voltage from 1.5v to 2.3v i never saw a gain... but i tested in 25mhz steps... so maybe it does help, but less than 25mhz... :D

hehe :D :ROTF:

anyways, from what ive heard cas9 gives 0mhz to 40mhz boost over cas8. so 2000 888 and 2040 999
thats in benching stable, not suicide screenshots, and its with micron chips.

So only bench stable huh ? Oh that's a small difference anyway, what the heck ... :D

Thanks for the info Sascha :)

[saaya]

your welcome goerge, ask s7even and dinos for more infos if your interested, those are the only 2 people who told me they saw a gain from going to cas9.
everybody else said there was no gain or a tiny gain that wasnt worth mentioning. but s7even and dinos both used 790! so... thats probably why :)