pc users petition to keep XP alive

[rozzyroz]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_save_xp


Fans of the six-year-old operating system set to be pulled off store shelves in June have papered the Internet with blog posts, cartoons and petitions recently. They trumpet its superiority to Windows Vista, Microsoft's latest PC operating system, whose consumer launch last January was greeted with lukewarm reviews.

[nn_step]

People do realize that Microsoft is preparing a lower resource version of Vista right?

[Warboy]

Already known, But not the same story i think.

[adamsleath]

windows 7 next year also i think, along with a whole new set of bugs probly.

[grimREEFER]

i like the idea of an OS with high requirements, it prevents crappy pc's from being sold. note how a lot laptops nowadays have 2 gigs of ram and non-intel graphics.

[nn_step]

windows 7 next year also i think, along with a whole new set of bugs probly.

all new software has new bugs, that is a given. The question is if any of them will ever be noticed by the end users

[rozzyroz]

People do realize that Microsoft is preparing a lower resource version of Vista right?

I wasnt aware of this myself, but thats a good bit of info to know about. any idea when and what its going to be called? functionality?

[adamsleath]

all new software has new bugs, that is a given
particularly for microsoft

...customer notices when things dont work properly.

now all ms needs to do (& their partners/affiliates/minions) is to make new windows software that detects for XP and auto-crashes :ROTF: i think they can manage that.

[Helmore]

...only when things dont work properly.

now all ms needs to do is to make new windows software that detects for XP and auto-crashes :ROTF:

LOL, that would be quite the April fools joke for next year :yepp: :rofl: :ROTF:
as an update to EI 8 :p:

[Speederlander]

Good grief. Let XP die already.

[nn_step]

I wasnt aware of this myself, but thats a good bit of info to know about. any idea when and what its going to be called? functionality?
I can not comment on the official name but it will be compatible with Windows Vista but to be honest the 64bit edition is going to be the hot ticket ;)

particularly for microsoft

...customer notices when things dont work properly.

now all ms needs to do (& their partners/affiliates/minions) is to make new windows software that detects for XP and auto-crashes :ROTF: i think they can manage that.
Most of Microsoft's problems tend to come from prior API decisions rather than bad engineers per say. At the same time, the majority of the bugs in Vista are related to drivers, which are not the fault of Microsoft rather the independent hardware vendors.

[adamsleath]

the majority of the bugs in Vista are related to drivers, which are not the fault of Microsoft rather the independent hardware vendors.

SEP - somebody else's problem; gee i wish those affiliates would toe the line.:slapass: they are so laggy in following MS.

Real MS devotee's/minions should already be using VISTA.

i assume if someone were to buy XP in June, that they could still get all MS updates up to this point in time , and until XP "support" officially ends.

[Vapor]

So I'll never be allowed to install XP again? :rolleyes:

[Emerica]

I didn't make the jump from Win2k to XP until post SP2 days. Given my current pattern, I do not think I will be moving to Vista any time soon. There is just no reason to. I am happy on Server 2003 x64, XP x64, or Debian Testing x64.

[[XC] riptide]

Good grief. Let XP die already.

It won't die with me so quickly. Very much alive on 7 machines here. And will remain so for quite the while.

[B.E.E.F.]

People do realize that Microsoft is preparing a lower resource version of Vista right?

You mean Windows 7?

Or Vista Garbage Basic Mark II.

[Syn.]

Can someone please tell me why anyone would want to buy a new PC with XP on it?

[3NZ0]

riptide;2919522']It won't die with me so quickly. Very much alive on 7 machines here. And will remain so for quite the while.
Yes but that's for an actual reason, it would cost you a fortune to upgrade all those machines to vista for little/no/negative gains.

The only reason for me using vista over xp is the vista iteration of x64 (which I use on all my machines) is much better than its xp counterpart.

Better support, more stable and some features that xp doesn't have already integrated into it.

[Movieman]

riptide;2919522']It won't die with me so quickly. Very much alive on 7 machines here. And will remain so for quite the while.

^^:up:

[Jethro]

It takes years for Microsoft to get things right, nothing new there. While you vista users are being guinea pigs and waiting for performance, I'll be enjoying the fruits of Microsofts labor and dabbling in Linux. Enjoy! :D

[nn_step]

^^:up:

Just because a company stops selling a product doesn't mean they will stop supporting it...

[fireice2]

Change is really hard to achieve when people are by nature resistant to change.

[grimREEFER]

not hard to change when its essentially free for everyone with a bittorrent client lol. i just need a windows xp with dx10 and a pretty gui, and thats exactly what vista is.
the change in inevitable anyway. dx10 is a necessity for gamers, a soon to be necessity for benchers when the new 3dmark comes out.

[ZOMGVTEK]

I dont like windows that much, but i REALLY dont like vista. Even with its 50% performance boost from SP1, it still SUCKS. You need to spend 3 hours figuring out how to turn off all this dam 'security' crap, and then it still sucks, and looks the same as xp when you throw it in performance mode. So, i plan on running XP for at least the next few years. Maybie when the revamped vista aka Windows 7 comes out... Eh, id still run XP PRO 64.

[jaredpace]

Vista Garbage Basic Mark II.

ROFLMFAO

[jaredpace]

Can someone please tell me why anyone would want to buy a new PC with XP on it?

i just bought a new lappy it came with vista on it but i downgraded to xp pro sp3 :P

[jaredpace]

Change is really hard to achieve when people are by nature resistant to change.

im sure it wasn't too hard to change to that e8400 in your sig:ROTF:

sorry, jk jk jk, point is that change is easy when the benefits are obvious...

[bgd73]

not hard to change when its essentially free for everyone with a bittorrent client lol. i just need a windows xp with dx10 and a pretty gui, and thats exactly what vista is.
the change in inevitable anyway. dx10 is a necessity for gamers, a soon to be necessity for benchers when the new 3dmark comes out.

I am not into the free stuff...
Am I the only one that finds a dx upgrade is the next os?
Same old routine. Can only gripe for a little while.
No graphics guru here, but pixel shader four and HD cards actually getting helped along with thier efforts (avivo is amazing, even in my current xp and a card without the dx10 it works with). I pretty much have to upgrade.
Given my 2.8e is a "lucky" setup, i do not believe it will ever get old to me...
by the time 64bit has 64bit good stuff, 32bit is still alive and kicking...like a p4 e that will never be called dual core.

[Emerica]

change is easy when the benefits are obvious...

:clap: And I do not see any obvious benefits to upgrading to vista.

[strange|ife]

pirate copies of XP will be through the roof after june.(haven't they always been..) And I doubt windows 7 will be Gold by 2009, maybe 2010..but not 2009..perhaps very early alpha/beta builds..dont get your hope's up though

[ToTTenTranz]

I think I'm gonna start a petition for microsoft to kill XP.

Vista is good enough. Life goes on.


Grow up.

[naokaji]

I use Vista daily, sure, the first few months there where driver issues, but they are mostly fixed by now, besides most people who compare xp and vista compare vista at stock settings vs a heavily tweaked xp, once you set up vista properly the difference to xp becomes much smaller.
I still have xp though (thanks to dualboot) but I only use it for benching or when nostalgy overcomes me and I want to play some old game.

[[XC] riptide]

^^:up:

I think the next few OS's I use will be 64bit. Maybe Server 2003 I'll try out on a machien and see how that goes.

[Syn.]

i just bought a new lappy it came with vista on it but i downgraded to xp pro sp3 :P

Why?

[jbartlett323]

i have been playing with server 2008... all the functionality of vista without all the BS... but there are too many deal breakers for me to switch to it or vista... biggest one for me is lack of hardware video overlay support... really irritates me... but otherwise it is the same as everyone else has said... poor proformance... crappy drivers... incapatible programs... loaded crysis last night, set it to exactly the same settings i played through the whole game on XP... i got to watch a slide show... yeah no need for that crap i think ill stick to XP till either the get the bugs worked out or the next OS comes out... why would i want to switch? no obvious reasons i can see!

[SafeFire]

I'm pretty sure Windows 7 finished name for it, it was codenamed vienna a while back, and blackcomb before that, off from which longhorn sprung.

[Donnie27]

im sure it wasn't too hard to change to that e8400 in your sig:ROTF:

sorry, jk jk jk, point is that change is easy when the benefits are obvious...

Absolutely QFT!

[B.E.E.F.]

I think I'm gonna start a petition for microsoft to kill XP.

Vista is good enough. Life goes on.


Grow up.

Its a shame you don't own a business. You would be bankrupt in a month.

Supply and demand.

[[XC] NetburstXE]

You mean Windows 7?

Or Vista Garbage Basic Mark II.

LOL :ROTF: :ROTF:

[Boissez]

Change is really hard to achieve when people are by nature resistant to change.

QFT

I guess there would be a lot fewer Vista naysayers if only Vista had a 'windows classic' checkbox that enabled an XP-like UI and look.

[Donnie27]

QFT

I guess there would be a lot fewer Vista naysayers if only Vista had a 'windows classic' checkbox that enabled an XP-like UI and look.

I thought it did.

http://grok.lsu.edu/Article.aspx?articleId=1975

[Donnie27]

If Win98SE was still fully supported, look at Video, Sound up to 7.1, Video Out, NT stable 32bit and etc.. that XP brought that 98SE didn't have? If there were something to gain, Microsoft wouldn't have to try forced Obsolescence but pull real support in about a year. First real price cut was good and now another wouldn't be a bad Idea at all. I'm Glad I grabbed a few copies of WinXP upgrade for $50 when they thought folks would flood to Vista.

Sorry, I don't torrent and free? I hope folks stealing this or anything else gets caught and pay fines LOL! Stealing is NEVER good or justified=P

[Boissez]

Oops... missed that one. I guess I didn't really gave Vista a chance :p: - anyways thanks for the pointers.

[jbartlett323]

QFT

I guess there would be a lot fewer Vista naysayers if only Vista had a 'windows classic' checkbox that enabled an XP-like UI and look.

its not the look at all... personally i love the new look and am getting used to the menus... its the actual core OS that drives people away... kinda wish xp looked like vista... then vista would be ok cause its XP...

[Eastcoasthandle]

It's amazing that people care that others don't want to use Vista. It is as if their use of vista has some dependency of others accepting it. I have to ask, are you really trying to convince the naysayers or yourself through written cues as reinforcement?

[m^2]

People do realize that Microsoft is preparing a lower resource version of Vista right?

I didn't, but what does it change? Vista still sucks for me, mostly because of poor software compatibility (strangely people rarely complain about it) and totally broken rights management. And doesn't offer anything instead.

[twilyth]

I scanned through this thread and didn't see any reference to it, so just to make sure everyone is aware - XP Home (and only xp home) will be on sale until at least June 2010 (or one year after next version of Windows - and god knows when that might be) for the low-end market - see http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Extends+Sales+of+Windows+XP+Home+for+Low cost+PCs+Until+2010/article11371.htm

edit - quoted wrong link

[Donnie27]

I scanned through this thread and didn't see any reference to it, so just to make sure everyone is aware - XP Home (and only xp home) will be on sale until at least June 2010 (or one year after next version of Windows - and god knows when that might be) for the low-end market - see http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Extends+Sales+of+Windows+XP+Home+for+Low cost+PCs+Until+2010/article11371.htm

edit - quoted wrong link

I don't remember where I saw it but that is supposed to be a stripped down version of XP Home. SPECULATION It's might be meant to run using less system resources, less system RAM, removal of Game support like Direct X Multimedia Processes and etc.......... This OS is meant to run on VERY LOW End not just Low end computers. The guy talking about this didn't know exactly how much would be removed but hey!!! It's meant for computer with less hardware than even these. (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Nav=|c:927|m:107|&SRCCODE=WEBGOONOTE&CMP=KNC-GOOGL)

Maybe nn_step knows something about this?

[twilyth]

It will be interesting to see what's kept and what gets scraped.

I haven't looked at laptops in over a year - pretty cool that you can get something that actually works for around $300. Who would have ever thought you could use the words 'cheap' and 'laptop' in the same sentence?

[Donnie27]

Oops... missed that one. I guess I didn't really gave Vista a chance :p: - anyways thanks for the pointers.

No biggie, I don't use Vista either. I have tried it some, still have tons to learn and figure out. But that's part of the problem. I'm going to get Vista 64 and leaning towards Home Premium with the final aim to upgrade to Ultra later. No guys, I'm NOT going to Torrent it. I don't hate Torrents but have to dump Commie-cast:mad: Torrents trigger a slow-down where I live.

[Donnie27]

It will be interesting to see what's kept and what gets scraped.

I haven't looked at laptops in over a year - pretty cool that you can get something that actually works for around $300. Who would have ever thought you could use the words 'cheap' and 'laptop' in the same sentence?

Heck, tell me about it! One of my Friends went to buy his little Sis, Soph at U of AR a Laptop. He ended up giving her his and keeping the new one for himself. Similar to the one he gave her but half the price:up:

[jaredpace]

as if their use of vista has some dependency of others accepting it.

that's the point for the pro-vista guys... "Everybody jump on board, (with xp support eventually phased out) vista will get better with the masses behind it" ;)

[Den Leiw]

With SP3 out I can't see any reason to upgrade to Vista. I'm not into Vista's eyecandy look. And if I wanted, there are enough customisation programs that will make my XP look like Vista anyway.

[Nikolasz]

Can some 1 edit first post?, its so hard to find that right petition.
I just spend 30 sec to find it, moust of ppl will take time in lazy searchings :shrug:

Why m.s whants to killl perfect os such as XP?? :shrug:
Is that M.S is on low money "in question"?

Or they whant to remake 1998y win98 with no "se"(1999) or maybe milenium? Or maybe vista:rofl:

In my time of pc x86 time i use
win 3.11
then

win 98se
then

xp.

Thats best 3 stable eazy usable oses for me in past 13-14 years!

[m^2]

Why m.s whants to killl perfect os such as XP?? :shrug:
1. XP is far from perfect...even though IMO it's the best home OS.
2. To make money :D

[zsamz_]

they cant stop me from usin xp for 10 more years :rofl: no matter what micrapsoft does

[Jowy Atreides]

The reason this petition is popular is not that vista sucks,
but rather that gamers want to have continued support for dx9 in games


it's cool to hate vista, all the scenester whinge about vista (when most haven't even tried it)


let me be the uncool kid and say that it's a good improvement over xp for the end user

so please let xp die for mainstream pcs, it's old and overhyped with many problems of its own
I cringe having to use xp in the uni comperters

[ToTTenTranz]

Its a shame you don't own a business. You would be bankrupt in a month.

Supply and demand.


That "demand" isn't made by a couple of geeks who, as stated before, "are by nature resistant to change".

It is by far better represented by the average joe who actually enjoys Vista's new look and who's everyday usage won't even let him notice the SO's flaws.


Microsoft doesn't have to win your opinion to make Vista succeed. It has to win the big retailers' favorable opinion, like Dell, HP, Toshiba, Acer, etc etc.


By failing to select the most favorable demand through statistical means, I guess your business would be bankrupt in a week.

[B.E.E.F.]

That "demand" isn't made by a couple of geeks who, as stated before, "are by nature resistant to change".

Geeks make up a large niche of the PC market. Ignoring geeks will lead to lost potential revenue.



It is by far better represented by the average joe who actually enjoys Vista's new look and who's everyday usage won't even let him notice the SO's flaws.

Flaw; You misspelled OS. And Average Joe wants a cheap PC with an OS that works. He doesn't want to replace all the equipment in his house, and upgrade to 8GB to make it run good. That would make Average Joe a power user/enthusiast which is not a very profitable segment of the market.



Microsoft doesn't have to win your opinion to make Vista succeed. It has to win the big retailers' favorable opinion, like Dell, HP, Toshiba, Acer, etc etc.

No that is a Push marketing strategy as opposed to a Pull marketing strategy. They have to convince me as the end user to use Vista so I want to use it and not make the distribution channel shove it down my throat. This does not work well on the mass market. Maybe for niches, but not general.



By failing to select the most favorable demand through statistical means, I guess your business would be bankrupt in a week.

What demand? There is NO demand. And planned obsolescence to stimulate an artificial demand will not be good for MS since it will create consumer backlash.

They have to improve Vista or get rid of the damn thing. Its all over the news that Vista is a piece of banana. There goes the rest of the demand. Vista is currently a niche product.

[bobbobson]

To the XP guys: Say hi to CrossfireX and Quad sli for .... oh wait never mind. At least you have 4gb of ram... oh sorry. XP is 6 years old and you all need a change.

ps. Im not bias as i administer over 400 pc's all with XP on them daily :up:

[phelan1777]

particularly for microsoft

...customer notices when things dont work properly.

now all ms needs to do (& their partners/affiliates/minions) is to make new windows software that detects for XP and auto-crashes :ROTF: i think they can manage that.


now see if MS actually did that.............you would have a stable non buggy os..........cause well there would be no conflicts with the OS.........:up:

[[XC] riptide]

To the XP guys: Say hi to CrossfireX and Quad sli for .... oh wait never mind. At least you have 4gb of ram... oh sorry. XP is 6 years old and you all need a change.


Emm.... 4Gig Ram? With XP 64bit? Win? ;)

[alucasa]

I really hated Vista when I started using it for the first time. Took me a while to turn off that UAC thingy, and all other new stuff as well as new interface. Well, it's been over a year now. Now, I cannot go back to XP.

[crash5s]

I'm not sure about the "demand" for vista, given the vast amount of business PC's out there.

Not sure about the rest of you guys but in our main office (roughly 800 people and a fraction of what we have world wide), most PC's would run vista like crap. And upgrading that many computers isn't cheap or easy. It's on a slow "runs till it breaks" cycle.

Vista doesn't really offer us anything, and increases cost. Toss in that a lot of our software doesn't work with it (not MS fault just a fact) and it's a negative, maybe in 2 years or so.

Oh well, massive order to dell coming soon.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

ive said this a million f-ing times lol but: my vista machine is MORE stable than ANY xp system i ever ran.

point 2: vitsa x64 is really really nice, please give me a legitimate reason XP is better
(and by legitimate I mean something that doesnt relate to xp having SLIGHTLY better frames and benches, despite its inferior graphics backbone)

[B.E.E.F.]

please give me a legitimate reason XP is better

1. Support for old apps. Many businesses use old stuff. Save money, time, effort.
2. Less resource hungry. You get more bang for the buck out of your hardware.
3. Compatibility with old hardware. You don't have to buy everything all over, or use cryptic hacks to get things working. Save money, time, effort.
4. The OS is cheaper.
5. More support with large user base. High chance that your problem has a immediate, workable solution.
6. Both Vista and XP use DX9 which most games, and benches are based on. XP's DX9 is not 'inferior' to Vista's.


But for you;
1. Vista is more 'stable'.
2. It looks pretty. You like the glass effect.
3. You don't care about money or time. Vista rulez. Yo.
4. You want cutting edge. DX10 built only for Vista to give it an edge.
5. You have or soon will have CrossfireX or QuadSLi.
6. You think it starts faster because it boots from Hibernate.
7. You like waiting for drivers to be written properly.

[fiskov]

I just dont like the way OS's are heading with all this eye-candy non-sense.
I like my desktop looking like Windows98. I don't need an icon for every task on my desktop, i don't need a giant clock in the corner of my desktop.
I dont need all these colours or aeroglass.
I like booting my system with only 91MB of physical memory being used.

Only reason in my eyes to even consider Vista would be DirectX10, but as i play with the minimum of graphics settings in all my games i just can't see the point.
It's the same for Microsoft office imo, I still perfer to use Office XP over 2008 as it just got terribly cluttered with non-essential quick link icons.

[Donnie27]

I'm not sure about the "demand" for vista, given the vast amount of business PC's out there.

Not sure about the rest of you guys but in our main office (roughly 800 people and a fraction of what we have world wide), most PC's would run vista like crap. And upgrading that many computers isn't cheap or easy. It's on a slow "runs till it breaks" cycle.

Vista doesn't really offer us anything, and increases cost. Toss in that a lot of our software doesn't work with it (not MS fault just a fact) and it's a negative, maybe in 2 years or so.

Oh well, massive order to dell coming soon.

I work at a place with about 5,000 employees and about 100 volunteers. At least 3700 have PC's and the rest share a few per Department. There are very few of our computers that's Vista Ready but are fine for WinXP and even Win2K.

To the other guy, yes they are very stable! On another thread Vista's stbility was brought up. WinXP's more mature Drivers hardly make it unstable, oh brother.

[Emerica]

riptide;2921974']Emm.... 4Gig Ram? With XP 64bit? Win? ;)

Yeah, you won, HAHA. :rofl:

[Donnie27]

The reason this petition is popular is not that vista sucks,
but rather that gamers want to have continued support for dx9 in games


it's cool to hate vista, all the scenester whinge about vista (when most haven't even tried it)


let me be the uncool kid and say that it's a good improvement over xp for the end user

so please let xp die for mainstream pcs, it's old and overhyped with many problems of its own
I cringe having to use xp in the uni comperters

I almost agree with you. I say let WinXP die on High-end systems and leave the mainstream systems the heck alone! So MS then chokes Vista and makes every one adopt Win7, then 8, 9, and so on, right? So who determines how long any OS lasts? So Win7 in this case is like Win98SE replacing WindowsME (mistake edition).

Man how I wish for a United Linux with installers and etc...:rolleyes:

[B.E.E.F.]

To the other guy, yes they are very stable!

No. No. No.

OLD = BAD.
XP is old so its unstable, it crashes all the time, and its using ancient tech. Vista is much better because its more stable, and better, and new. And it has superior security like UAC which is extremely useful for everyone because its good, and better and I like it. Its shiny, oooohhh Shiney. eyecandy = big improvement. If I like it then everyone is wrong, and everyone should listen to me, and buy new hardware to use Vista because its improved and not a rushed job at all.

In the future operating systems will be 2x as good, and take up 12x more resources.

I cant wait. :yepp:

[alucasa]

I think one of reasons people hate vista is that they think they have to upgrade to Vista.

Well, they don't. But let's face it. XP is reaching end of its life. It's like what, 7 years old ?
MS needed a new OS whether XP was Godly stable or not.

[Jowy Atreides]

No. No. No.

OLD = BAD.
XP is old so its unstable, it crashes all the time, and its using ancient tech. Vista is much better because its more stable, and better, and new. And it has superior security like UAC which is extremely useful for everyone because its good, and better and I like it. Its shiny, oooohhh Shiney. eyecandy = big improvement. If I like it then everyone is wrong, and everyone should listen to me, and buy new hardware to use Vista because its improved and not a rushed job at all.

In the future operating systems will be 2x as good, and take up 12x more resources.

I cant wait. :yepp:


yeah, I found xp more unstable

nearly every day I had some kind of explorer.exe error
or games crashing :mad:

[B.E.E.F.]

yeah, I found xp more unstable

nearly every day I had some kind of explorer.exe error
or games crashing :mad:

Intel hardware?

[ak_47_boy]

I love Windows XP. I have my meager Athlon XP 2400+ laptop tweaked and running like a champ. I can play Half Life 2 on medium high settings and sit at a comfortable 35fps.
I have not had to reformat in 2 years. My laptop has been running 24/7 for 3 weeks strait without a reboot. I have never had any virus trouble or hacking trouble (no virus scanner, spyware scanner, or firewall installed) despite frequenting warez sites, etc.
I look at my tray and all i have is a volume icon, i look in my task manager and i have only 11 processes running, i look at netstat and nothing is connected, my hard drive activity light only blinks once or twice an hour. Life is good.

Can i get this level of perfection with Vista? :ROTF: Vista is an utter mess, cut it down to its bare bones and then i will be interested. I don't want it working on ANYTHING i don't tell it to do.

[alucasa]

Can i get this level of perfection with Vista? :ROTF:

Yep, one of my cruncher which also serves as my family file-server has been up for 2 months ever since I installed and updated Vista.
Exact uptime is 63 days.

It uses its all four cores to 100%, it handles HTTP steam requests via IIS, plays movies through a directly screen on my desk, and handles my backup transfers all at once.

[Jowy Atreides]

Intel hardware?

yep, core 2 conroe chips always used in my gaming pcs

[Donnie27]

yeah, I found xp more unstable

nearly every day I had some kind of explorer.exe error
or games crashing

Intel hardware??


Same Question I was about to ask;)

[Donnie27]

yep, core 2 conroe chips always sed in my gaming pcs

I'm just not seeing such instabilities, on any of my systems. The two up and running are the one in my Sig, the other is an old 3500+ and nVidia Asus A8N 16X with a Prelude X-Fi and an ATI old X800XT video card. I think it has NEVER crashed and has had WinXp Home installed since Sept-06.

In fact my current system crashes when I cause them overclocking too high. Yup, nothing like finding HL2 saved game files in the Far Cry folder LOL!

[B.E.E.F.]

yep, core 2 conroe chips always used in my gaming pcs

Besides that.

[bobbobson]

riptide;2921974']Emm.... 4Gig Ram? With XP 64bit? Win? ;)

Server 2003 more ? Lose

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

1. Support for old apps. Many businesses use old stuff. Save money, time, effort.
2. Less resource hungry. You get more bang for the buck out of your hardware.
3. Compatibility with old hardware. You don't have to buy everything all over, or use cryptic hacks to get things working. Save money, time, effort.
4. The OS is cheaper.
5. More support with large user base. High chance that your problem has a immediate, workable solution.
6. Both Vista and XP use DX9 which most games, and benches are based on. XP's DX9 is not 'inferior' to Vista's.


But for you;
1. Vista is more 'stable'.
2. It looks pretty. You like the glass effect.
3. You don't care about money or time. Vista rulez. Yo.
4. You want cutting edge. DX10 built only for Vista to give it an edge.
5. You have or soon will have CrossfireX or QuadSLi.
6. You think it starts faster because it boots from Hibernate.
7. You like waiting for drivers to be written properly.


1st) hibernate is for baddies
2nd) this IS xtremesystems, therefore the second list applies much more

[tiro_uspsss]

Server 2003 more ? Lose

:confused:

depending on which version of Server 03 u got, the Enterprise Edition 32bit can handle a max 64GB RAM...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/windowsserver/bb294403.aspx

[tiro_uspsss]

1st) hibernate is for baddies
2nd) this IS xtremesystems, therefore the second list applies much more

u hate XP, we get it.. now get out & leave us XP lovers alone :p:

[Nikolasz]

Im crazy lover of 3 ! :) ;)
Xp and win98se and vista instaled on my pc 3_hdd's.

[phelan1777]

1st) hibernate is for baddies
2nd) this IS xtremesystems, therefore the second list applies much more

Sniipe, if anything the latest greatest is not what made XS what is.

Doing Xtreme things with "what you had 2 years ago" and making it work like what we have today is what defines the Xtreme figures here.

If you really think about it, only a small % of the members here define Xtreme, be it and form of cooling, coding, modding, and other forms of taking things to the next step.

So, really in a time when so many are converting because Vista is the "1337", when really, running its just the "hip" thing and will soon fade for the next "hip" OS. Until another MS OS runs for as long and as widely used as XP, you don't have much of a foot to stand on.
Its here, we stil have a choice and many still choose in some manner to run XP because we know it, we like it, it does what we want it to do, with out spending more money for nominal if any real gains.

All the "kiddies" that glaze over their eyes when they see the eye candy, are just what the marketing folks @ MS are aiming for, and the fool and his money are easily separated.

Oh for the record I have at least 3 different versions of Vista/Server08 on 4 drives and really I am not all that impressed.

[gojirasan]

Fista is ME II. It is a bloated POS. I am holding out for Windows 7 which may or may not be leaner and meaner. 9 gigs of hard drive space and more than a gig of system ram just for the OS?! Are you out of your minds!? Sorry. Wake me up when MS actually releases something that improves on XP. Vista doesn't.

[mcbalaban]

If they stop selling XP, does that mean it's OK to pirate it? :rolleyes: :confused: :shrug:

[tiro_uspsss]

If they stop selling XP, does that mean it's OK to pirate it? :rolleyes: :confused: :shrug:

when has it never been? :confused:


:D :D :D

[Clint]

I dont like windows that much, but i REALLY dont like vista. Even with its 50% performance boost from SP1, it still SUCKS. You need to spend 3 hours figuring out how to turn off all this dam 'security' crap, and then it still sucks, and looks the same as xp when you throw it in performance mode. So, i plan on running XP for at least the next few years. Maybie when the revamped vista aka Windows 7 comes out... Eh, id still run XP PRO 64.

Now where did you get that number from?:D
There is no performance boost whatsoever.

[KoHaN69]

I'm still runnning Windows 2000 , biches

[tiro_uspsss]

I'm still runnning Windows 2000 , biches

:rofl: :up:

[phelan1777]

I had a call today, for a customer, still using Win ME, installing an FX5500

[adamsleath]

I'm still runnning Windows 2000 , biches
:lol:

i can think of so many other things to do with 200 bucks (aud)

[Emerica]

Server 2003 more ? Lose

Not only Server 2003 x64,

"Windows Professional XP Edition x64 currently supports up to 128 GB of RAM," straight from Microsoft's site. So, yes, you do lose. And these instabilities some people are talking about with XP, I just don't see. Don't make up problems just to justify your purchase of Vista.

[B.E.E.F.]

If they stop selling XP, does that mean it's OK to pirate it? :rolleyes: :confused: :shrug:

It means it not OK to pirate Vista. :up:

[B.E.E.F.]

Don't make up problems just to justify your purchase of Vista.

But XP is a POS because its ancient, 6 year old tech. Its unstable. (whatever that means).

[s1nykuL]

Years of using XP has eanabled me to build a customised, optimised and tweaked XP install. XP *IS* mature and stable. Perhaps those complaining of constant crashing should down clock their systems a bit, or purchase decent hardware with well written drivers. I cannot remember when my PC last crashed. oh wait I can, it was when using Xfired X1900XT's with inadequate airflow which caused overheating.

I use my PC for just about everything: TV/PVR, music production: Cuebase with lots of VSTi's, coding, gaming, browsing, media streaming. I can record TV whilst gaming, which is nice.

Vista for me would be a step backwards. I do have vista installed, though I haven't booted it since completing Crysis. DX10 over DX9 at this time is a disappointment, so I expect to boot into vista next when I get Alan Wake.

If it wasn't for gaming and music production I wouldn't use an M$ OS at all. I have Debian on my laptop and with a kernel I customised myself, it is fast, very fast, secure and reliable.

Now if vista had the compatibility and stability of my XP box, the speed, flexibility and reliability of my Debian laptop, I would recommend the OS to everyone. Unfortunately vista fails miserably in it's attempt to deliver on the hype that surrounded it's launch. The marketing catchphrase "WOW" should really have been "FFS"

No, I don't like microsoft as a company for many reasons. But I do give credit where due. I use w2k3 server on my DC in the garage, it provides DNS, FTP, DHCP and a web server. I can't remember when I built and installed it now, at least 3 possibly 4 years ago. It's been up and down a few times because of power outages, but It has never crashed, not once.

[phelan1777]

I have for over a year now, been using XSOS V1 and, guess what, its based off of XP Pro............oh and guess what else...........

IT DOESN'T CRASH!

I can do pretty much anything I want with it, the only "issue" I have come across is using Itunes (I don't own an Ipod, though I tried to play with the program just for fun) other then that, I use my PC for work, games, music, movies and other related uses.

I have to date never had an issue with Spyware/ADware, viruses, trojans.

Almost now known incompatibility issues regarding apps as most apps are focused on XP. Also, I can run it on a machine as old as a P2 with 128MB of RAM (I know I did it)

Now if XSOS was 64bit, i would be set for crunching (Hint hint NN (joke.))

[Chosen.]

You need to spend 3 hours figuring out how to turn off all this dam 'security' crap

No it takes about 7-8 seconds for a normal person with a basic knowledge of Google usage.

If it takes 3 hours for you, then Vista should be the least of your worries...

:shocked:

[[XC] riptide]

Server 2003 more ? Lose

The argument is Vista vs XP mate. Win x2 :rolleyes:

[B.E.E.F.]

riptide;2923736']The argument is Vista vs XP mate. Win x2 :rolleyes:

Close enough. :rolleyes:

[kingzl3y]

People do realize that Microsoft is preparing a lower resource version of Vista right?

REALISE
:mad:

:)

[nn_step]

REALISE
:mad:

:)

forgive me, my english not so good so majQa'

[[XC] riptide]

Close enough. :rolleyes:

:confused: Whats your game?

[B.E.E.F.]

riptide;2924698']:confused: Whats your game?

To me, 2003 = XP with some modifications.