Ek supreme temp problem!

[Aisi]

I built new watercooling system (my first one). Now temps seems to be quite high.:shrug:

Temperatures:

CPU Idle 43°c
CPU Load 58°c (Orthos small FFTs)
Water 28-30°c (Tested with crappy sensor in reserator)
Room temp ~23°c

CPU:

e6700 @ 3,6 Ghz 1.48 v

Watercooling rig:

Thermochill PA120.3 with 5 yate loons @ 7 v (same temps with 12 v)
Ek supreme horisontally mounted
Masterkleer 7/16" tube
Laing DDC 18w Pump (rev 3.2) with Xspc res top

I cleaned everything before mounting. I used vinegar and ioniced water for cleaning.
No any kinks or elbows in tubing. I have tryed as5 and mx-2.TIM

With air cooling temps were almoust the same (Thermalright 120 ultra extreme). So is temps normal for this system? I was hoping that I can get lower temps with water than air.:confused:

http://www.kh-team.com/Watercooling/09042008089.jpg

http://www.kh-team.com/Watercooling/09042008090.jpg

http://www.kh-team.com/Watercooling/09042008093.jpg

Ty for answers.:up:

[jarman]

You dont seem to have any jubillee clips on the barbs?

[Big_Daddy]

Which of course, wouldn't effect his cooling. The TR 120 is a good aircooler.

You can try reseating the cpu block. What method are you using to apply the TIM?

[jas420221]

Those temps seem high... but the pictures are LARGE.. thumbnail those please!!!!

[evil-98]

holy high temps.. thats not right. fully bleed?

try reseating, and make sure that the loop is fully bleed.

i dont see why your temps would be that high

good luck

[Aisi]

Same problem with this system. Exact same cooling setup. Idle 44 °C Load 59 °C

http://kh-team.com/Watercooling/PIC-0021.jpg
http://kh-team.com/Watercooling/PIC-0014.jpg
http://kh-team.com/Watercooling/PIC-0011.jpg
More images here here:http://kh-team.com/Watercooling/

I have tryed remounting the block and there is no air in loop (I think). Don't know what to do anymore.:shakes:

Any ideas?

[Yeknom]

what TIM are you using?

[Zaskar]

what TIM are you using?

Man even noname should have better temps, those temps are like $60 air cooled setup temps.

[Aisi]

what TIM are you using?

Tested as5 and mx-2, now mx-2. It doesn't effect much.

[Polizei]

Tested as5 and mx-2, now mx-2. It doesn't effect much.

How did you apply it?

Pressure?

Board flex?

[Jamestuk]

when I first did my EK supreme loop I didn't take it to bits to clean only rinsed through it. I redid my loop though because my temps were high - took it to bits and it was all clogged up with stuff. gave it a scrub with a tooth brush and rinsed it off, temps improved by about 10*C when reassembled.

[Aisi]

How did you apply it?

Pressure?

Board flex?

I have tryed to spread it with plastic piece, and like that in ac instruction (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/downloads/installation/install_mx1_retail.pdf)

You mean block mounting pressure? Mounting feels tight and I have backplate. Last time I checked contact was good. I will remount once again tomorrow.

[Aisi]

when I first did my EK supreme loop I didn't take it to bits to clean only rinsed through it. I redid my loop though because my temps were high - took it to bits and it was all clogged up with stuff. gave it a scrub with a tooth brush and rinsed it off, temps improved by about 10*C when reassembled.

hmm, ok. I used vinegar and tooth brush to clean ek supreme. Good news is that there is still hope that I get this run with better temps.

My block was maybe 2 hours in vinegar can it do any harm?

[Waterlogged]

Which way are the fans moving the air, pushing or pulling?

I also think the GX2 might have something to do with the temps on the one as they get quite hot from what I hear and it's blowing air straight at the rad which might be enough to heat it up a bit.

[aoch88]

I have the same issue. Idle at 44C, 1.4125Vcore full load Orthos small FFT at 57C.

I'm on an E8200 and here is my setup:

Swiftech Apogee GT (bowed) waterblock
Danger Den Maze 4 GPU waterblock
Swiftech MCR220 radiator 2 x 120mm
Nirox pump 1200 l/h

[Jimmer411]

Its them ugly coolsleeves thats killing your temps I bet

[aoch88]

Its them ugly coolsleeves thats killing your temps I bet

What's coolsleeves? :shrug:

[Rob_B]

I have tryed to spread it with plastic piece, and like that in ac instruction (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/downloads/installation/install_mx1_retail.pdf)
Those temps are high.
Here is how I used the TIM. http://www.articsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm


I have a different system, but load temps are around 50°c for me.

[Aisi]

Now I have done more testing. I have reseated many times, cleaned the block and I even tryed ek supreme without the metal plate...:cool: as you can see in photo (I know that is stupid:D ).

http://kh-team.com/Watercooling/11042008100.jpg

http://kh-team.com/Watercooling/11042008101.jpg

I was really supraised, temps were almoust the same without Supreme's metal plate. That means something have to be really wrong.

Today I'm going to lap the block, lets see if it helps.

I'm still hoping that someone have some idea what I'm doing wrong here.

More answes needed here quys! This is starting to be really frustrateing.:mad:

[nikhsub1]

FWIW, I'm getting terrible temps with my EK on my test bed... I'm trying to figure this out too...

[Martinm210]

I would suggest that you lap the nozzle plate and double check seating on the channels, I've seen one that didn't sit flush, but a little lapping of the plate will take care of that easily.

[Aisi]

FWIW, I'm getting terrible temps with my EK on my test bed... I'm trying to figure this out too...

Let me know if you figure something out. I will post here if I can get this work properly.

I would suggest that you lap the nozzle plate and double check seating on the channels, I've seen one that didn't sit flush, but a little lapping of the plate will take care of that easily.

I have lapped my cpu, block and now the nozzle plate too. Temps are now ~55 °c, so something is still wrong. Nozzle plate seemed to be seated properly. Despite that I'm sure nozzle plate is causing the problem.

[Waterlogged]

What are you using to check temps?

Is TJunction correct?

Have you tried more pressure on springs to see if temp moves at all?

Anything hitting the mounting plate or preventing proper mounting?

Is there a reason your not using the gasket between the fans and rad?

You really should use the gasket as it ensures that all the air the fans pull is in fact going through the rad and not just getting sucked in from the sides.

[Martinm210]

I was going to also say the radiator location and hot air getting sucked in from the PSU and other stuff, but it looks like you tried that already.

Waterlogged is right with the gasket on the fans, you should add that in there.

The rest of the things to try is back plate, mounting pressure, and TIM application. If you're brave you can try coolaboratory liquid pro. It's a pain, but it works good.

[Aisi]

What are you using to check temps?

Is TJunction correct?

Have you tried more pressure on springs to see if temp moves at all?

Anything hitting the mounting plate or preventing proper mounting?

Is there a reason your not using the gasket between the fans and rad?

You really should use the gasket as it ensures that all the air the fans pull is in fact going through the rad and not just getting sucked in from the sides.

1. Mainly Coretemp but I have tested Everest and asus probe too
2. According to coretemp TJunction is 85 °C. How I know is it correct?
3. I have tryed very little tension and almoust full, same temps
4. No, I have tryed mounting vertically and horisontally, same temps
5. Other system (http://kh-team.com/Watercooling/PIC-0021.jpg) is using the gasket. And its not about radiator because water or rad isn't hot (max 30 °C I tested it today with infrared thermometer).

Maybe I just have to order d-tek fuzion. I was going to order it anyway but it was out of stock.

[Waterlogged]

1. Mainly Coretemp but I have tested Everest and asus probe too
2. According to coretemp TJunction is 85 °C. How I know is it correct?
3. I have tryed very little tension and almoust full, same temps
4. No, I have tryed mounting vertically and horisontally, same temps
5. Other system (http://kh-team.com/Watercooling/PIC-0021.jpg) is using the gasket. And its not about radiator because water or rad isn't hot (max 30 °C I tested it today with infrared thermometer).

Maybe I just have to order d-tek fuzion. I was going to order it anyway but it was out of stock.

Well, I'm out of ideas for the moment, everything looks OK. :shrug:

Yeah, the gasket won't make that much of a difference, It's more of an "insurance" thing.

[krusu70]

1) RAD is cleaned inside?
2) CPU Block is cleaned inside?

[Eddie3dfx]

This may sound weird, but could there be a bubble in the block? or radiator?

[krusu70]

This may sound weird, but could there be a bubble in the block? or radiator?

If its not worked much, then it will be possible.

Just try to hold reserve higher than other things.

[Aisi]

1) RAD is cleaned inside?
2) CPU Block is cleaned inside?

1. Rad is cleaned, but its not about the water temp so it's have to be the block(?). I even tryed with out the rad, with cold tap water in a bowl.

2. Yes, with ketchup and hot water. It's clean and shiny.

This may sound weird, but could there be a bubble in the block? or radiator?

That was my first theory but no its not that.


I'm not a guy with two left hands, so I cant understung why this isnt working for me.;)

...one thing, I'm using deioniced water not distilled but that cant cause the problem, can it? I have used last three days fixing this, so if its about same water I'm going to eat my head.

Thank you for trying to help btw.

[Tallpaul]

have you tryed to do res-pump-rad-cpu-res works for me tho keeping my pc cool here pic of my temp

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh93/Tallpaul30/wctemp.jpg


hope u get this sort bud :up: :up:

[GiN]

we tryed res-pump-rad-cpu-res and we lap the plate and still nothing temp is high maybe we just order d-tek fuzion with nozzle kit dunno what can do anymore

[Liquid.]

hmmm, Coretemp isnt really that accurate for measuring temps.

Realtemp works for me.

With coretemp i get 44c idle at 4ghz :)

At stock im sitting around 33c with coretemp and my e8400 :)

To me the EK supreme has to be one of the best blocks around!

[GiN]

now i have e8500 vcore 1.4 and 4.3ghz realtemp shows idle temp 46 and load 68 and my old cpu was e6700 vcore 1.48 and idle temp was 43 and load 57 this is strange with this wc setup

Thermochill PA120.3 with 5 yate loons @ 7 v (same temps with 12 v)
Ek supreme horisontally mounted
Masterkleer 7/16" tube
Laing DDC 18w Pump (rev 3.2) with Xspc res top

[gxavier]

Those are strange temps. I have an e8400 4.06ghz @ 1.4v and my idles are 26c, and max load is around 45c. My watercooling loop is only using a modded reserator xt too (3/8" tubing internal/external, second pump, and removal of restrictive quick connectors).

The only thing I can think of is that it's not seating properly... especially if your water temp isn't heating up.

Oh, and I use everest for temps

[GiN]

water temp idle 24-25 and load ~30 and contact looks good

[Waterlogged]

Aisi/GiN, please pardon the stupid questions, they're all I have ATM.

What is the source of power for the pump? Is it getting a full 12V?

Are you 100% certain you've re-assembled the Supreme properly?

[Serpentarius]

maybe there's deposits on the block itself ... or the thermochill rad?
have u try flushing them with some hotwater?

i wont recommend vinegar .. but u could try too ...