Zytek's Quickie Build

[Zytek_Fan]

Welp, my trusty old eMachines is pretty much almost dead.
It will boot, but will shut itself off after 20 minutes, so I'm thinking the motherboard is starting to go.

So I need to get a quickie build, until I get a job and can get something better.

Here's what I put together.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Zytek_Fan/2008-04-08_215559.jpg?t=1207717061

Not the best there is, but it works. It will hold me over until I have more money from getting a job. Wanted to try to fit in a Core 2 Duo, but my budget won't allow.
I have a tube of AS5 around here somewhere, so I'll be using that.

[hstuehmeyer2000]

this intel mobo and cpu would fit in your budget,
Biostar Tforce TP35D2-A7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138075
e2160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116036

[Zytek_Fan]

How about a DFI Infinity P965 with an E2180?

[zanzabar]

if u have an extra $30 ($15 affter rebate) i think that u would like the 3870 better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103050

it will last u a lot longer than the 9600 since it has dx10.1 and more shaders

and this ram has the same chips but its cheaper, it would also move the combo with the 1218 2.6ghz into or near your current price range
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188
A-DATA 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1B16K - Retail

[hstuehmeyer2000]

i thought some of the p965 boards had a hard time ocing 800fsb cpu's unless they were bsel modded

edit: also here is a better deal on a 9600gt, http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10007954&prodlist=celebros

[p0tter]

Motherboardpro has the DFI P965-S for $78.00, since you mentioned it.

http://www.motherboardpro.com/DFI-INFINITY-P965-S-Intel-P965-Socket-775-ATX-Motherboard-p-7.html

[Shift]

cheap C2d > cheap AMD X2

and p0tter where you have been; I don't see online when I'm on

[SoulsCollective]

Replace the Purepower with something better - like a VX450 or 550.

cheap C2d > cheap AMD X2
Only when overclocking - and for a cheap build on stock cooling I don't think there's going to be much of that happening.

[hstuehmeyer2000]

also if you don't mind going open box you can get the p5k deluxe at newegg for $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131182R( i just ordered one of these a couple of hours ago)
edit: you can get a cm690 here for $31+shipping http://cmusashop.coolermaster-usa.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=58

[Zytek_Fan]

How about grab an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro for the E2180?

[Zytek_Fan]

also if you don't mind going open box you can get the p5k deluxe at newegg for $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131182R( i just ordered one of these a couple of hours ago)
edit: you can get a cm690 here for $31+shipping http://cmusashop.coolermaster-usa.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=58

Is it worth risking to go open box?

And that refurbished CM690 looks nice. It probably wasn't damaged, just a return :)

[zanzabar]

How about grab an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro for the E2180?

your max oc is about 3.2-3,3 with that cpu and the stock cooler works great for it, but do get mx-2 its better than as5 and has no cure time

and cm690 yes, but for MB i dont like open box unless i get in person and can return it with no questions asked

[Zytek_Fan]

I'll chat with a newegg rep before I order tomorrow so I can find out more about that open box P5K Deluxe Wifi.

And I'll prolly go for that refurbished CM690.

[hstuehmeyer2000]

Is it worth risking to go open box?

And that refurbished CM690 looks nice. It probably wasn't damaged, just a return :)

i haven't bought a new motherboard for at least a year, i bought a asus 680i at mwave and it came with everything, and usually the biostar's i buy open box at newegg also the board i am using right now(biostar tf520 a2+) cost me $40 shipped to my door and it came with everything, lol, the only trouble i have had with open box motherboards is dfi's nf4 series, the ones i bought fried my processors:eek: (expert and ultra-d)

edit: here is a good deal on a psu to, http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-550w-atx-power-supply/q/loc/101/205852646.html
edit2: here is a good deal on ram, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211188

[Zytek_Fan]

As long as the mobo comes with the driver disk and SATA cables, I'll be good :)
And the Q-Fan thing. hehe.

I've only got a copy of 32 bit Vista Home Premium (retail box), so should I get a 2x1GB kit of overclocking RAM, or should I send in for a 64 bit DVD?

edit: I'll be using WoW Glider to for my WoW characters, and it only supports 32 bit OSes, so I guess I'll get a 2x1GB kit of overclocking RAM.

[Asgard_thor]

I can vouch for the CM690 great case

[zanzabar]

here is the best budget ocing ram

2Gb Kit (2x1Gb) PC2 5400 3-3-3-8 D9GMH $43
http://www.tankguys.com/product_info.php?cPath=46_144_147&products_id=1806

but u wont beable to run 4x1GB with most budget boards so keep that in mind

[Zytek_Fan]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148076

I like that Crucial Ballistix kit. A nice MIB and Micron HQ is in Idaho :)

[zanzabar]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148076

I like that Crucial Ballistix kit. A nice MIB and Micron HQ is in Idaho :)

but thats hnl/nlh and single sided it wont clock like a set of gmh, i have that kit and it dose 1210c5 and 1030c4 testable, and 1164c5 and 1000c4 and 800c3 24/7 stable with 4 sticks so its awesome ram, but tank guys can take 1-2 weeks to get it to u

[hstuehmeyer2000]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148076

I like that Crucial Ballistix kit. A nice MIB and Micron HQ is in Idaho :)

you won't like them if they are single sided, lol:rofl:

here is the best budget ocing ram

2Gb Kit (2x1Gb) PC2 5400 3-3-3-8 D9GMH $43
http://www.tankguys.com/product_info.php?cPath=46_144_147&products_id=1806

thats a pretty good deal, i forgot about that

[Zytek_Fan]

I can go with a better heatsink now, so I'm leaning toward these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185027
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001

(why am I asking this, I know what answer I'll get.) :rofl:

[Zytek_Fan]

but thats hnl/nlh and single sided it wont clock like a set of gmh, i have that kit and it dose 1210c5 and 1030c4 testable, and 1164c5 and 1000c4 and 800c3 24/7 stable with 4 sticks so its awesome ram, but tank guys can take 1-2 weeks to get it to u

Doesn't need to overclock like balls. Just enough to get my E2180 to 3.2ghz+

[hstuehmeyer2000]

get this hs/f, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003&nm_mc=AFC-hardOCP&cm_mmc=AFC-hardOCP-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA and use this promo code to get free shipping hardocp47FS

[Zytek_Fan]

Alright, here we go:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Zytek_Fan/2008-04-08_232053.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Zytek_Fan/2008-04-08_232102.jpg

[hstuehmeyer2000]

if you are going to go for a 320gb drive i wold go for one of the wd single platters, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074 its $5 more with free shipping, but i am not sure if that is the newer version of the 320gb drive though because the 320 single platter and 320 dual platter are called the WD3200AAKS

[Zytek_Fan]

I read more on open box mobos, and as someone said in this thread, they ship with all the stuff, but sometimes in a white box.

edit: For the TIM, should I use the dollop, line or spread method?

[hstuehmeyer2000]

I read more on open box mobos, and as someone said in this thread, they ship with all the stuff, but sometimes in a white box.

also sometimes its just the board only and in the wrong box, but for $110 less i can take that chance:D

[Zytek_Fan]

Newegg live customer service chat was pointless. All I got were form answers.
Should I buy some SATA cables just in case?

[hstuehmeyer2000]

Newegg live customer service chat was pointless. All I got were form answers.
Should I buy some SATA cables just in case?

i would if they are cheap

[Zytek_Fan]

I went ahead and ordered.
Bought a P5K-E WiFi/AP instead. $60 more, but brand new guaranteed.

I'll be running stock cooling for a little bit, which is fine, because the E2180 OCs quite well under the stock cooler, but I will grab a better cooler once I get more money :up:
I'm aiming for 2.8ghz under stock cooler.

[zanzabar]

u should hit 3.2 with stock, and thats as high as the chips can go

[Zytek_Fan]

u should hit 3.2 with stock, and thats as high as the chips can go

Plenty enough for until I can pop in a quad :D

I got some MX-2 TIM. What method should I use; spread, dollop, or line? I'm thinking dollop...

All of it is coming from Cali, so it may be here Saturday :D :D :D

[Zytek_Fan]

I don't have any ArcticClean cleaning solution, so will rubbing alcohol suffice for cleaning the paste off the stock cooler?

[SoulsCollective]

I don't have any ArcticClean cleaning solution, so will rubbing alcohol suffice for cleaning the paste off the stock cooler?Sure. That's what most of us use anyway; no sense buying branded TIM cleaner if off-the-shelf works just as well.

However, note that if you've used the stock heatsink on the CPU then you're in a spot of bother. The stock TIM stuff that comes preapplied to the heatsink actually contains paraffin wax, which once subjected to heat melts itself into the crevices in heatsink and IHS, precluding other TIMs from doing so.

[zanzabar]

Sure. That's what most of us use anyway; no sense buying branded TIM cleaner if off-the-shelf works just as well.

However, note that if you've used the stock heatsink on the CPU then you're in a spot of bother. The stock TIM stuff that comes preapplied to the heatsink actually contains paraffin wax, which once subjected to heat melts itself into the crevices in heatsink and IHS, precluding other TIMs from doing so.

so if u use the stock tim u destroy the cpu, thats amazing that they would do that

so would u have to lap or use a tooth brush to fix the cpu

[Lev]

no way at the parrafin wax thing

ive used more then one c2d with stock then switched to a true... temps were fine after i switched

or is it a new thing?

[SoulsCollective]

no way at the parrafin wax thing

ive used more then one c2d with stock then switched to a true... temps were fine after i switched

or is it a new thing?
All thermal pads contain wax - that's why, you'll note, that the three lines preapplied to the heatsink are hard to the touch and can be lifted off with a fingernail - unlike thermal paste ;)

If my word isn't sufficient, straight out of the Arctic Silver instructions (http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appinstruct/as5/ins_as5_intel_quad_wcap.pdf) for C2Ds and C2Qs:

Thermal pads are made with paraffin wax that melts once it gets hot. When it melts, it fills in the microscopic valleys in the heatsink with wax. To minimize permanent contamination of the heatsink mounting surface with wax, the thermal pad should be removed before it is used and melted. Never use heat or hot water to remove the pad, as heat will melt the wax into the heatsink.

[Zytek_Fan]

Alright, I'll just scrape it off with a plastic scraper