The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[Grnfinger]

So has anyone OCed a Q9550 on this board? I'm thinking about buying one to replace my Q6600 when those price drops kick in next week......I see people hitting 4.2 on air with some of these 45nm chips, so I should be able to do some damage with my water setup.

Maximus X38 is 45nm quad limited, rare ocasions you'll break the 425-430FSB wall but I have not seen many chips do it, 425FSB was the max for my X38/Q9550

[chew*]

HHmmmm....I should install 06 on my rig. I haven't even run it since I got my 4870X2.

Bah! I'm getting that openal32.dll error in Vista x64.......I thought I just had to reinstall openal, but it's not working. I'll post results as soon as I get the bench working.

Ok I have it figured out. I'm currently running 06. It seems that it's more stressful on the GPU than vantage, as I have hard locked twice in FireFly Forest at 852 MHz and 842......now I'm backing down to 837. I was stable at least at 852 in Vantage......maybe even higher :confused:
Yep it just looks like good old fashioned instability in FireFly Forest. It's a bit strange considering that I'm stable much higher in Vantage, but no worries.

My 4870X2 runs so cool with this block.....it's just begging for voltage. I really don't have the steady hands to volt mod (or the balls TBH), so I guess it's BIOS mod or nothing (which most likely means nothing.)

I need to clock this CPU higher.....score isn't very good compared to others.
http://www.overclock.net/attachments/ati/94274d1232177213-ati-hd4870x2-owners-thread-4870x2-3dmark06-842-940-475x8-pl9.jpg


Yah you need to turn that bad boy up a notch, If I actually used lod tweaks in 06 I might have yah with a single 512mb ;)

http://members.cox.net/chewxs/4050.JPG

[Grnfinger]

Tisk Tisk :nono:
You coverd the res on that screen shot :rofl:

Some douche at HWBOT flag'd 3 of my submissions claiming that, now when I try to edit so I can add a validation link it wont let me:shrug:
So I responded with that 22k 3D run.
Going to do a few Vantage runs now at 500FSB,
HAve you tried CC 8.12? I'm still running 8.11 and wondering if there is a performance incease like they say.

[chew*]

thats 8.12, its worth a few points, I did a compare let me see if i can find it.

here' the compare link for that 19k ;) forgot about not covering res, its been awhile.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9627529

8.10 IIRC ( 8.11 caused FO3 to crash )
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9124834

8.12
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9183077

What tool is the best for Lod tweaking now, I haven't used Lod since geez 3d01 and my 9800 pro. I installed ati tool newest version and it loaded all my cores and my GPU and stopped responding :(

[binormalkilla]

Maximus X38 is 45nm quad limited, rare ocasions you'll break the 425-430FSB wall but I have not seen many chips do it, 425FSB was the max for my X38/Q9550

Well then no thanks! I'm stable at 475 with my Q6600. I suppose it's wiser to just wait until the i7s get cheaper anyhow (not to mention the motherboards......they're outrageous right now.)

I put together a shopping card at newegg with an i7 CPU, 6GB of RAM, and a 'mid-range' ASUS mobo. The card was over $700.......I just can't justify that to the wife considering that I just spent $500 on my graphics card and $120 on my Perc 5/i RAID controller :ROTF:

[binormalkilla]

Yah you need to turn that bad boy up a notch, If I actually used lod tweaks in 06 I might have yah with a single 512mb ;)

http://members.cox.net/chewxs/4050.JPG

WTF........that's insane. Have you tweaked anything, like turned down IQ in CCC? Are you running the default res? I ran mine at 4 GHz and got this (http://service.futuremark.com/resultComparison.action?compareResultId=9663291&compareResultType=14)


BTW that's on Vista x64 so maybe that's hurting the score a little. IIRC there is a performance hit in 3dmark06 in Vista.

[Grnfinger]

thats 8.12, its worth a few points, I did a compare let me see if i can find it.

here' the compare link for that 19k ;) forgot about not covering res, its been awhile.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9627529

8.10 IIRC ( 8.11 caused FO3 to crash )
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9124834

8.12
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9183077

What tool is the best for Lod tweaking now, I haven't used Lod since geez 3d01 and my 9800 pro. I installed ati tool newest version and it loaded all my cores and my GPU and stopped responding :(


8.12 seems not to like my card much, hard locks running Vantage and 3DMark05 when 8.11 did not at same settings....
3D06 is down a few hundred points compared to 8.11 run.
Guess its time to tear the loop apart and run the new card on ....air (ick)
Well maybe one more run on 8.11 to confirm my suspicions

[chew*]

WTF........that's insane. Have you tweaked anything, like turned down IQ in CCC? Are you running the default res? I ran mine at 4 GHz and got this (http://service.futuremark.com/resultComparison.action?compareResultId=9663291&compareResultType=14)


BTW that's on Vista x64 so maybe that's hurting the score a little. IIRC there is a performance hit in 3dmark06 in Vista.

nah thats at default high performance settings. I don't lose much between vista/xp :shrug: I ran out of slider bar for ram :( I need a bios that allows more :rofl:

Vista 64 + 4870x2 is your issue. I've seen this before, you will score alot higher in vista 32 and XP.

believe it or not if i set mitmap detail to high performance my score actually gets worse.

I got an ati tool version working and the Lod bias settings dont work, cant find where to set it in rivatuner and ati tray tools i'm lost. :(

[binormalkilla]

nah thats at default high performance settings. I don't lose much between vista/xp :shrug: I ran out of slider bar for ram :( I need a bios that allows more :rofl:

Vista 64 + 4870x2 is your issue. I've seen this before, you will score alot higher in vista 32 and XP.

believe it or not if i set mitmap detail to high performance my score actually gets worse.

I got an ati tool version working and the Lod bias settings dont work, cant find where to set it in rivatuner and ati tray tools i'm lost. :(
Yea I don't benchmark much for competition, as I just want to make sure my system is running as it should be. I would like to take some time and chill my water loop, then overvolt like crazy......but sadly I don't have as much time since I started school again.

BTW ATI Tool doesn't play well with the 4870X2....I would look around the driver level tweaks in Rivatuner.

8.12 seems not to like my card much, hard locks running Vantage and 3DMark05 when 8.11 did not at same settings....
3D06 is down a few hundred points compared to 8.11 run.
Guess its time to tear the loop apart and run the new card on ....air (ick)
Well maybe one more run on 8.11 to confirm my suspicions

I haven't had any issues with 8.12 in Vista x64 one bit. There is an annoying water artifact bug in Call of DUty World at War, where the border of puddles looks like it has frozen. This sort of flickers on and off at times. Not extremely noticeable, but still annoying.
I found a pic:
http://ninjamonkeys.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/shot0000.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Holy hannah this cards fan is LOUD!!!!
Grn's pc was so nice and quiet you could hear my cats claws on the hardwood as he walks, not anymore :shakes:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4870X2stock.jpg

Some benches to follow if I can stand the noise

[zlojack]

Nice setup, Grn!!

[Grnfinger]

Thanks Jack, I think I'm going to need a stronger PSU, seems I hardlock and then quicly reboot if I try anything over 875/1000 but its early, only been playing for hour or so, lots to learn.

[zlojack]

I had a lot of trouble overclocking the 4870 X2 in the short time I had one.

What PSU are you running?

[Grnfinger]

Corsair HX620...me thinks its a tad weak
looking at a HX1000 like yours

Q9550 @ 8.5x500FSB
4870X2 800/975

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4870_500FSB.jpg

[zlojack]

Corsair HX620...me thinks its a tad weak
looking at a HX1000 like yours

Q9550 @ 8.5x500FSB
4870X2 800/975

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/4870_500FSB.jpg

Hmm...the 620 should do the job for a single 4870 X2.

[Grnfinger]

ahh so it might be heat then
This pleases me....guess I got to decide on a block and soon

[chew*]

grn 4870 tips, not sure if you tried it but toss that fan to 100%, that ram should clock to the moon as long as you can keep the core temps down. Icreasing core increases over all temps, ram declines with higher core. aww screw it just get water on it lol.......

[Nuckin_Futs]

Anybody get good FSB OC w/ a Xeon X3350 or simular? I wanna keep my old MF bu want a good quad to OC on it since I too had very little luck w/ my Q9550 to barely get close to 430 and stable. I also have a good stable Q6600 to 3.8GHz but would like to go 45nm and maybe try an X48 for fun. Oh ja, if I do get an X48 DDR3 mobo, will it do anything signifigent for my Q6600 over what I can already do on my X38 DDR2 compared to what the Q9500 can do for me in terms of FSB OC on the X48?

If I have to stick w/ the Q9550, how much further can I expect on an X48 DDR3 version or this mobo? I'd be OK w/ the P5E3 Primeum as well if the cost has come down. I really had my eye on the Rampage Extreme when it came out. Will this do a 45nm quad fair justice and too how much if anybody can share?

[mit78]

what is the best bios for this mobo,original bios,not another.
thx,

[Grnfinger]

grn 4870 tips, not sure if you tried it but toss that fan to 100%, that ram should clock to the moon as long as you can keep the core temps down. Icreasing core increases over all temps, ram declines with higher core. aww screw it just get water on it lol.......

I'm going to play today with it, My 3870X2 clock'd very high on water.
This card pumps the heat, it's a frosty minus 15c here so I might open the window and cool the room down for some overclocking fun.
Lots to learn about this card atleast it will cut down on my heating cost for teh house:rofl:
Wifes got her eye on my 3870X2 :shakes:

[chew*]

what is the best bios for this mobo,original bios,not another.
thx,

0308 for memory bandwidth.

0701 for 3d benching/games.

grn, i'm debating on grabbing another 4870 and take a chance it will clock as high, if it does i can probably tip over some 4870x2's, although the brand new 4870x2 for $350 is very very tempting....plus after trifire scaling goes out the window.

You have vantage?

[Zucker2k]

Coby,
Sorry for the delay, had to drive all day yesterday under terrible driving conditions. Needless to say, I was busted when I returned home. Anyway, here's a picture from this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=203720&highlight=MCW60+4870 as mine were too difficult to get to. Yes, the x2's are loud and that's why I threw mine under water. Mind you, I couldn't get higher clocks on mine under water. Waiting for that super bios.

Edit: The difference in the picture below is that I just took off the shell so I didn't have to break anything. One guy in the thread also had a different method; check it out.

[Grnfinger]

0308 for memory bandwidth.

0701 for 3d benching/games.

grn, i'm debating on grabbing another 4870 and take a chance it will clock as high, if it does i can probably tip over some 4870x2's, although the brand new 4870x2 for $350 is very very tempting....plus after trifire scaling goes out the window.

You have vantage?

Yes I have Vantage, I was debating on a Crossfire setup with 2 4870's but then I factored in the waterblock cost and scrapped that idea.
Guess I should head over to the gpu section and educate myself on what others are achieving with this card. According to Gautam the bios is better than Asus TOP bios.


Coby,
Sorry for the delay, had to drive all day yesterday under terrible driving conditions. Needless to say, I was busted when I returned home. Anyway, here's a picture from this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=203720&highlight=MCW60+4870 as mine were too difficult to get to. Yes, the x2's are loud and that's why I threw mine under water. Mind you, I couldn't get higher clocks on mine under water. Waiting for that super bios.

Edit: The difference in the picture below is that I just took off the shell so I didn't have to break anything. One guy in the thread also had a different method; check it out.

That looks damn good actually.
So no ram sinks just the 2 MCW60's and the stock HS modded for the barbs?
Whats your max stable clocks on your card?
I'm currently testing that today, I might need some ear plugs from the noise

[Zucker2k]

Yes I have Vantage, I was debating on a Crossfire setup with 2 4870's but then I factored in the waterblock cost and scrapped that idea.
Guess I should head over to the gpu section and educate myself on what others are achieving with this card. According to Gautam the bios is better than Asus TOP bios.



That looks damn good actually.
So no ram sinks just the 2 MCW60's and the stock HS modded for the barbs?
Whats your max stable clocks on your card?
I'm currently testing that today, I might need some ear plugs from the noisePretty much. Max stable for GRID was 842/1000. The ram can do 1050 but I flashed the asus top and was limited to 1000. What's the max on your card? Can I have the bios?

[Grnfinger]

Pretty much. Max stable for GRID was 842/1000. The ram can do 1050 but I flashed the asus top and was limited to 1000. What's the max on your card? Can I have the bios?

Of course:)
Let me find something that works with Vista, once I have the bios I'll pm you the link.

[RAINMAN2004]

Has anyone had success running 4x4gb memory on the x38 by flashing to rampage or other bios,just wondering if 16gb @ 800 would show any realworld gain compared to 8gb @ 1000 ? I'm running rampage 410 bios right now with Q6600@3400 (on air) on 333 strap with 8gb gskill pc2 8000.Any and all input is welcome.

[les_paulde]

Has anyone had success running 4x4gb memory on the x38 by flashing to rampage or other bios,just wondering if 16gb @ 800 would show any realworld gain compared to 8gb @ 1000 ? I'm running rampage 410 bios right now with Q6600@3400 (on air) on 333 strap with 8gb gskill pc2 8000.Any and all input is welcome.

I would say just stick with your 8gb of 1000mhz ram, unless you really need all 16gb of memory for whatever use you have for it... ;) 1000Mhz ram gives you more bandwidth than 800Mhz, and considering you already have a large amount of ram which probably does not get fully utilized, your system would probably slow down a little (prolly only noticeable in benches though) compared to your current setup...


OH, and on another note, I'm currently running the system in my sig (Q9550 E0 + P5E dlx --> rampage). I'm currently busy getting the 4Ghz rocksolid and tweaked, and for some strange reason I cannot lower my performance level to below 9 or the PC won't even post anymore. When using PL9, Vantage crashes on me so I'm currently forced to use PL10. Obviously I would like to be able to lower this, especially as I'm forced to run my GSkills at only 471Mhz, but was just wondering what the main reason is why I can't lower this. Would I need more NB volts or do I need to relax other timings? Thanks for any input!

[Grnfinger]

Zucker2k I'm having trouble getting ATIFlash or Winflash to work with 64bit Vista.
Any ideas on how to grab the bios or am I the problem :D

Cant test max clocks on my card unless I have the room extremely cool, ran 840/1100 for 6 mins b4 3DMark06 lock'd up
Also GPUZ wont report my clocks correctly any ideas?
lol maybe I should head over to right thread to ask these questions

Now back to are regular scheduled programing.....

[les_paulde]

Zucker2k I'm having trouble getting ATIFlash or Winflash to work with 64bit Vista.
Any ideas on how to grab the bios or am I the problem :D


Doesnt it involve using atiflash under a DOS bootdisk? At least back in the HD3870 days thats how i used to backup my biii (correct multiple of bios? ;) lol) before flashing... I typed

atiflash.exe -ai

to get the designated numbers of the graphics cards, and then using

atiflash.exe -s adapter_number whatever_file_name.xxx

to save the actual file. Not sure if the nature of the 4870x2 changes this process, but prolly you'll have to flash each card independently using their designated numbers (0 and 1 most likely).

Or am I just stating the obvious now? :shrug:


EDIT: according to this page (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33928825), even GPU-z should be able to extract a bios, but not sure if, and how well, it can do so.

[Zucker2k]

Zucker2k I'm having trouble getting ATIFlash or Winflash to work with 64bit Vista.
Any ideas on how to grab the bios or am I the problem :D

Cant test max clocks on my card unless I have the room extremely cool, ran 840/1100 for 6 mins b4 3DMark06 lock'd up
Also GPUZ wont report my clocks correctly any ideas?
lol maybe I should head over to right thread to ask these questions

Now back to are regular scheduled programing.....Yes, GPU-Z will do it; after saving first adapter, switch to second and save with another name. It's easy, but not too obvious; look the little green card sign in the middle-right.

Edit: On the GPU-Z screen where it says Bios Version, look all the way to the right, there's an ic icon, click on that to save the current selected adapter. Thanks for the effort.

[orbiter]

Hello again you guys :)

Remember me?... Q9650 hitting wall on Maximus Formula @ 3.8GHz, and trying to decide on mobo for higher FSB.

Well, after listening to your views and doing a bit of reading for myself as suggested. I've decided not to splash out on any of those expensive boards I was considering.. Rampage Formula/Extreme etc. Instead I've been looking at the Gigabyte UD3P and some of the excellent results its been achieving with the 45nm quads. I must be honest, for the price the board sounds amazing. I understand it's not got some of the bells and whistles that the expensive boards have, however it's maximum performance I'm after with my Q9650, so I'm gunna give it a try. Have you heard of anything I should be concerned about regarding the UD3P e.g. heat, reliability etc?

Kind Regards

Orb

[Simps]

Hello again you guys :)

Remember me?... Q9650 hitting wall on Maximus Formula @ 3.8GHz, and trying to decide on mobo for higher FSB.

Well, after listening to your views and doing a bit of reading for myself as suggested. I've decided not to splash out on any of those expensive boards I was considering.. Rampage Formula/Extreme etc. Instead I've been looking at the Gigabyte UD3P and some of the excellent results its been achieving with the 45nm quads. I must be honest, for the price the board sounds amazing. I understand it's not got some of the bells and whistles that the expensive boards have, however it's maximum performance I'm after with my Q9650, so I'm gunna give it a try. Have you heard of anything I should be concerned about regarding the UD3P e.g. heat, reliability etc?

Kind Regards

Orb

This is just my opinion. I would never ever put a Q9650 on a mobo with a 6 phase power like the UD3P's. But then again, this is just me, my personal opinion. Anyway, a 16 phase power like Maximus II Formula BIOS 1901, can handle your quad and even 500FSB is you want. I am actually working on 508FSB stable on my quad at this moment.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5244/new50013wu3.jpg

[]'s
Simps

[orbiter]

This is just my opinion. I would never ever put a Q9650 on a mobo with a 6 phase power like the UD3P's. But then again, this is just me, my personal opinion. Anyway, a 16 phase power like Maximus II Formula BIOS 1901, can handle your quad and even 500FSB is you want. I am actually working on 508FSB stable on my quad at this moment.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5244/new50013wu3.jpg

[]'s
Simps

That was one of the few things I was looking at, but a quote from a review hardwarecanuks (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/10885-gigabyte-ga-ep45-ud3p-p45-motherboard-review-6.html) put me at ease...
Now six phases might not seem like a lot in this age of twelve to sixteen-phase voltage regulation systems, but this model supports 30 amps per phase and can deliver a total of 180 amps to the CPU, which is overkill even for extremely overclocked quad-core processors.

Should I really be worried about this?

Regards

Orb

[Zucker2k]

That was one of the few things I was looking at, but a quote from a review hardwarecanuks (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/10885-gigabyte-ga-ep45-ud3p-p45-motherboard-review-6.html) put me at ease...

Should I really be worried about this?

Regards

OrbNo, you can do things with that Giga board you can't even dream about.

[Grnfinger]

UD3P is a decent board, but remember no NB sensors, has been known to kill chips altho iirc a bios update sorted this.
Gigabyte is trying to make a name in the overclocking community, solid board and most who buy it were impressed.

MIIF like all boards has its pros and cons, MIIF is a really good board for air cooling, it likes low volts compared to its big brother X48 but the bandwidth and latancey is poor compared to X48, the bios needs alot of maturing, some key bios options still do not work, ( ASUS are you listening???) wich limits the boards true potential.
Following teh UD3P thread and having a chance to test the board for an afternoon I was impressed how quickly you can overclock a chip, all auto and I had a E8500 upto 4.3GHZ stable.
After an hour or 2 of tweaking and the chip maxed out at 4.5GHZ with air cooling!
Best advice do you homework and research many boards, ask the questions that are important to you, in the end all that matters is your happy with your choice

Hit me up on PM if you want to unload that Max X38, I'm looking for a replacement

[orbiter]

No, you can do things with that Giga board you can't even dream about.

Thanks Zucker2k :up:

Believe me my friend.. I'm dreaming already after seeing some OC results :)

EDIT - Thank you for your valued info also Grnfinger :up:. With my savings on the UD3P I may buy a DMM also to keep an eye on NB/SB temps.

[Grnfinger]

Please come back and post some screenies of your overclocks when your board arives

[Zeppelin]

Hi!

I'm trying to flash my P5E Deluxe with the Rampage BIOS!
Did everything exactly as described and allways get the error message:
"Unable to open rom file"!!!

Any ideas here?

Tks
[]

[Zucker2k]

Hi!

I'm trying to flash my P5E Deluxe with the Rampage BIOS!
Did everything exactly as described and allways get the error message:
"Unable to open rom file"!!!

Any ideas here?

Tks
[]

rename the bios you want to flash to bios.rom

download afudos ES (afu236u.exe)

type:

afu236u.exe /ibios.rom /n /pbnc

hit enter, and wait till process completes, turn off power, wait 30 seconds and power back on.

@ Grnfinger: Did you manage to upload that x2 firmware?

[Zeppelin]

rename the bios you want to flash to bios.rom

download afudos ES (afu236u.exe)

type:

afu236u.exe /ibios.rom /n /pbnc

hit enter, and wait till process completes, turn off power, wait 30 seconds and power back on.



Tks m8!
But it didn't do the trick!!! :shakes:

I've been flashing BIOS'es for a long time...
Never had this kind of problem :shrug:

[]

[Zucker2k]

Tks m8!
But it didn't do the trick!!! :shakes:

I've been flashing BIOS'es for a long time...
Never had this kind of problem :shrug:

[]hmm, you're doing this in dos mode right? Also, could be environment, I don't know if this'll work on compressed drives or not. There are other alternatives, albeit dangerous methods.

[chew*]

Tks m8!
But it didn't do the trick!!! :shakes:

I've been flashing BIOS'es for a long time...
Never had this kind of problem :shrug:

[]

Are you at stock clocks? I've found when oced this board is hell on USB sticks, flash drives.

[chew*]

Got my "other board" grn went with gigabyte for various reasons anyway ripping windows in as I type, keep an eye out for results.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=215130

[Zeppelin]

hmm, you're doing this in dos mode right? Also, could be environment, I don't know if this'll work on compressed drives or not. There are other alternatives, albeit dangerous methods.

Yop @ DOS
I really don't have a clue here!
Strange!!!

Tks anyway ;)

[]

[Zeppelin]

Are you at stock clocks? I've found when oced this board is hell on USB sticks, flash drives.

First rule fr flashing --> Stock ;)

[]

[ziggo0]

I'm having a lot of trouble with 4x1gb Buffalo Firestix. They are stock 2.1vDIMM, but this board doesn't give enough juice to get them to post, so I have to take out all the ram, stick a cheap stick in, post, set voltage, then attempt different settings while overclocking. Any ideas? I appreciate it greatly.

Oh, running the Rampage Formula 408 bios.

[orbiter]

Please come back and post some screenies of your overclocks when your board arives

I sure will mate :yepp: That's assuming I can clock it up to a level which will fit in with all the big figures I'm seeing around here.

Orb

[chew*]

Yop @ DOS
I really don't have a clue here!
Strange!!!

Tks anyway ;)

[]

I don't think you can compress the drive. Format the USB stick and start from scratch, make it bootable. follow steps from there.

[Grnfinger]

Got my "other board" grn went with gigabyte for various reasons anyway ripping windows in as I type, keep an eye out for results.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=215130

I will be lurking in your thread :D


rename the bios you want to flash to bios.rom

download afudos ES (afu236u.exe)

type:

afu236u.exe /ibios.rom /n /pbnc

hit enter, and wait till process completes, turn off power, wait 30 seconds and power back on.

@ Grnfinger: Did you manage to upload that x2 firmware?

Yes I have them, sorry I forgot to upload them, will do that in a few mins.
Busy today, it appears Grn is getting audited tomorrow at 1:00pm and I'm trying to find important papers for my tax credits and such.
Bastards, you make one questionable claim and there all over you like a fat chick on smarties
If I'm not around much after tomorrow just look for the big cardboard box I'll be living in.....

[Zeppelin]

Format the USB stick and start from scratch, make it bootable. follow steps from there.

Yeah, I've done that!...
I'll just keep trying!
Gonna try with another USB stick now and pray :up:

[]

[ziggo0]

Any ideas for my rather specific question :(

[hewi]

I seem to have gotten the worst Q6600 in the world :rolleyes: I have to feed it 1.55V throught bios around 1.5V actual to obtain 3.6ghz.
My question is.. am I slowly killing my cpu with that much juice, I don't mind it degrading slowly in time, since an upgrade will prolly happen before she dies off. How fast might I see degrading if it even occurs at these volts with the Maximus formula.

Oh and does it effect the board aswell or other components ? This is the first time I actually push a board & cpu a bit more :p:

[Grnfinger]

I seem to have gotten the worst Q6600 in the world :rolleyes: I have to feed it 1.55V throught bios around 1.5V actual to obtain 3.6ghz.
My question is.. am I slowly killing my cpu with that much juice, I don't mind it degrading slowly in time, since an upgrade will prolly happen before she dies off. How fast might I see degrading if it even occurs at these volts with the Maximus formula.

Oh and does it effect the board aswell or other components ? This is the first time I actually push a board & cpu a bit more :p:

1.55vcore is less important than temps, if your chip is running at decent temps and your board is running cool than dont worry about it.
If your running on the hot side then yes you'll burn that hardware up quicker.

[hewi]

The parts are under water, except for the NB which still has the stock heatpipe assembly on it. After an hour session on OCCT im getting load temps up to 60c. Thinking of slapping my MCW30 on the NB since it's prolly running a bit too hot on the stock setup. Or I'll just back down to my safe settings Voltage on auto @ 3.2ghz temps under 50c.

[aussie-revhead]

Hi guys, some quick advice please:

For my existing q6600 would you guys get a p5e and rampage it or go for a p5q-pro ? These are my best options atm. I have 8Gb of g.skill PQ 8000 , are these Ok for p5e ? Or even p5q ?

Any help would be great.

:up:

[les_paulde]

Hi guys, some quick advice please:

For my existing q6600 would you guys get a p5e and rampage it or go for a p5q-pro ? These are my best options atm. I have 8Gb of g.skill PQ 8000 , are these Ok for p5e ? Or even p5q ?

Any help would be great.

:up:


Thats a good question that is not easy to answer. In short, I would say get yourself the p5q-pro instead of the p5e, but only if you do not want to run crossfire. IF you do want to run crossfire, I would suggest you get the P5E deluxe (x48 instead of x38 from P5E) and rampage it, although many people say that the 8x pci2.0 speeds are only noticeable in benches. I was very happy with my rampaged P5E dlx and Q6600 - got her up to 3700MHz stable! For RAM compatibility, please check the QVL (qualified vendor list) on the asus website as it will list the ram that is compatible for that particular motherboard.

If you dont need crossfire, I would suggest go with the P45 chipset, as it runs cooler than the x48 (smaller manufacturing process, therefore less heat) and is known to reach higher fsbs, especially with 45nm quads if you ever decided to upgrade your CPU. PErsonally, I would rather have a p45 board atm, as i feel my P5E dlx is holding back my Q9550 by limiting the fsb to ~471...

just my thoughts, not necessarily wisdom... ;)

[Grnfinger]

The parts are under water, except for the NB which still has the stock heatpipe assembly on it. After an hour session on OCCT im getting load temps up to 60c. Thinking of slapping my MCW30 on the NB since it's prolly running a bit too hot on the stock setup. Or I'll just back down to my safe settings Voltage on auto @ 3.2ghz temps under 50c.

CPU temps are decent for that voltage, I would recommend getting the MCW30 on the NB, it kept mine very cool with 1.53 volts on the NB it never saw 45c

[ZenEffect]

Hi guys, some quick advice please:

For my existing q6600 would you guys get a p5e and rampage it or go for a p5q-pro ? These are my best options atm. I have 8Gb of g.skill PQ 8000 , are these Ok for p5e ? Or even p5q ?

Any help would be great.

:up:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/icon22976/cpuz.jpg

p5q-e isnt a bad board at all :cool:

[ziggo0]

I'm having a lot of trouble with 4x1gb Buffalo Firestix. They are stock 2.1vDIMM, but this board doesn't give enough juice to get them to post, so I have to take out all the ram, stick a cheap stick in, post, set voltage, then attempt different settings while overclocking. Any ideas? I appreciate it greatly.

Oh, running the Rampage Formula 408 bios.

boing

[Grnfinger]

boing

I have 3 kits all require 2.1 volts and Maximus boots no problem.
The board over volts .8 on the ram, my first sugestion is to get off that crappy 408 bios, it was :banana::banana::banana::banana: iirc, 701 is what you want for better ram compatibilty
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Rampage_Formula/RAMPAGE-ASUS-Formula-0701.zip

flash to 701 and retest your stix
just my :2cents:

[ziggo0]

I have 3 kits all require 2.1 volts and Maximus boots no problem.
The board over volts .8 on the ram, my first sugestion is to get off that crappy 408 bios, it was :banana::banana::banana::banana: iirc, 701 is what you want for better ram compatibilty
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Rampage_Formula/RAMPAGE-ASUS-Formula-0701.zip

flash to 701 and retest your stix
just my :2cents:

Wow, I can keep my sticks now, THANKS!

[OLDcomer]

I found very interesting phenomenon with my motherboard, which I think Zucker2k had mentioned (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3503853&postcount=7594). Above a certain fsb, for example about 465, I have to switch off the system and kill the switch. After this intervention the system is stable at 8.5x471 Prime95 Blend (9 hours) without problems and occurs benchable above 475 fsb. Without this intervention the system cannot load Vista or freezes at the logon screen. I tried 701 and 410 bios. Same s**t.

[WaterFlex]

ZenEffect :up:

[aussie-revhead]

Nice zeneffect but I just want to game with it , no LN etc for me .

I went shopping today and the only store close by that has decent prices had nothing I wanted , no ram no p5q-d or p5q-e .... ffs

:shakes:

[Grnfinger]

Nice zeneffect but I just want to game with it , no LN etc for me .

I went shopping today and the only store close by that has decent prices had nothing I wanted , no ram no p5q-d or p5q-e .... ffs

:shakes:

Never fails, I'm waiting for stock on a new case and 4870X2 water block.
This sets me back atleast 10 days, while the case is less important, I need that water block to tame the blast furnace I have installed




Wow, I can keep my sticks now, THANKS!
Glad it worked

[Nuckin_Futs]

I'm looking for feedback from anybody w/ a Q9550 OC'd on X48. I want to run it on a DDR3, X48 based ASUS. What are some of the better OC chioces? I am aiming for FSB500 in 1:2 for DDR2000. Is that too much to hope for out of a Q9550? What is the average max to date?

[hewi]

Ok...Got my Q6600 under control with 1.518V @ 3.6ghz which is nothing spectacular, but I think I'll hold onto these volts. Not sure if im going to replace the stock NB heatpipes as it's stable for now, and it's pain to find a nice solution for the SB if I rip it off :shakes: Funny thing is im reporting idle temps of around 40C's on Vista 64 and exact same setup on Windows 7 64bit runs at 34C. Still think my temps are reasonably low since im running a single loop = MCR320 with some ultra kazes @ 900rpm and I also have a blastfurnace in da loop 4870X2.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/3986/img0592pa9.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0592pa9.jpg)

[Grnfinger]

I'm looking for feedback from anybody w/ a Q9550 OC'd on X48. I want to run it on a DDR3, X48 based ASUS. What are some of the better OC chioces? I am aiming for FSB500 in 1:2 for DDR2000. Is that too much to hope for out of a Q9550? What is the average max to date?

500FSB is doable, My Q9550 requires alot of juice to bench at 8.5x500. 500x8 and it starts to settle down. 7.5x500 is 24/7 stable
If you get a decent E0 I'm fairly certain you can hit your goal

[Grnfinger]

Ok...Got my Q6600 under control with 1.518V @ 3.6ghz which is nothing spectacular, but I think I'll hold onto these volts. Not sure if im going to replace the stock NB heatpipes as it's stable for now, and it's pain to find a nice solution for the SB if I rip it off :shakes: Funny thing is im reporting idle temps of around 40C's on Vista 64 and exact same setup on Windows 7 64bit runs at 34C. Still think my temps are reasonably low since im running a single loop = MCR320 with some ultra kazes @ 900rpm and I also have a blastfurnace in da loop 4870X2.



Nice case!!
I've always liked the style of Lian Li cases.
Well now your stable lets see some 3Dmark scores...

What kinda temps are you getting on your 4870X2 under water?
I'm still waiting for my block!

[chew*]

I'm still waiting for my block!

Slacker :p:

Open that window and crank that fan up to 100% ( bolt case down so it don't take flight ):D

Btw, finished my mounting, got some insulation, off to the store for kneaded eraser, dielectic, and a few other odds and ends. Tommorow should be interesting.

[MJR]

Wow. I just got my new (open box) Rmapage x48 setup with Windows 7 beta on it. What a change. Haven't had much time to mess w/ Win7, but the Rampage booted my chip at 450, all auto settings. I'd say my 430 fsb wall I had on the maximus is officially broken.

Any suggestions on keeping this thing stable up to 500fsb? I'll obviously have to set voltages and such in the bios and I'm going to wait to get my H2O on the NB before I push it, but if I can hit 500fsb w/ 8gb of RAM, I'll be happy for a while.

[Grnfinger]

Slacker :p:

Open that window and crank that fan up to 100% ( bolt case down so it don't take flight ):D

Btw, finished my mounting, got some insulation, off to the store for kneaded eraser, dielectic, and a few other odds and ends. Tommorow should be interesting.

Home early today and its not bad outside for temps, -4c so I think I good bench session is in order after maybe a cool refreshing beverage

[chew*]

Home early today and its not bad outside for temps, -4c so I think I good bench session is in order after maybe a cool refreshing beverage

Cool well I was batting a 100% today, yesterday was a mess, took all day to find the sleeving for the pot.....Today was a breeze though, tommorow will be very interesting.

http://members.cox.net/chewxs/Ready.jpg

[Grnfinger]

oooo this is going to be interesting...some AMD performance, havent seen any in a long time.
My card must suck ass it hard locks the rig on anything above 840/1050 :shakes: no artifacts just hard locks.
maybe a volt mod is in order???

[chew*]

oooo this is going to be interesting...some AMD performance, havent seen any in a long time.
My card must suck ass it hard locks the rig on anything above 840/1050 :shakes: no artifacts just hard locks.
maybe a volt mod is in order???

What were temps of cores? I think mine was idling 32ish and max was 50 when I cold air benched it, hotter made me drop core more. I got better results from clocking memry first than going after core because once it gets the heatsink so hot memory artifacts.. Heres a post its in.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3584509&postcount=8002

[Grnfinger]

What were temps of cores? I think mine was idling 32ish and max was 50 when I cold air benched it, hotter made me drop core more. I got better results from clocking memry first than going after core because once it gets the heatsink so hot memory artifacts.. Heres a post its in.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3584509&postcount=8002

My cores are like 67c+ on load, if you touch the back of the heatsink its actually to hot to leave your finger on for more than a few seconds.
Emailed the etailer about changing my order for a block instock and it would be easier to sell a kidney on the black market than to change my order, it piss's me off.
Maybe I'll let the card cool and test just ram clocks leaving the core's at stock not even run them at the factory OC settings.

Thanks for the link, off to read it now

[t_ski]

The parts are under water, except for the NB which still has the stock heatpipe assembly on it. After an hour session on OCCT im getting load temps up to 60c. Thinking of slapping my MCW30 on the NB since it's prolly running a bit too hot on the stock setup. Or I'll just back down to my safe settings Voltage on auto @ 3.2ghz temps under 50c.

hewi, take off the heatpipe assembly and replace the thermal compound with something decent, then post your results.

BTW, if you want to go H2O on the NB, you can pull the pipe out of the SB and use the stock SB heatsink like I did.

[loften]

Never fails, I'm waiting for stock on a new case and 4870X2 water block.
This sets me back atleast 10 days, while the case is less important, I need that water block to tame the blast furnace I have installed




Glad it worked there has been a few posted on the for sale thread here.. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214568

[Nuckin_Futs]

I need to pick a choice between tow OCZ 4g kits of 2x2g to use on an X38 and X48 based Maximus and Rampage. These are my two runner ups; OCZ Reaper HPC 4g kit @ 5-5-5-18 OCZ2RPR10664GK or the OCZ Platinum 4GB kit @ 5-5-5-18 OCZ2P10664GK.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289 Reaper

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298 OCZ

EDIT: What about this set by Patriot, a 4g, 2x2g kit feTURING iNTEL EPP. I haven't heard any high end overclocking reviews on these yet.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220314 Patriot

Has anybody here used eather and with what kind of results? I'm looking for 1150MHz or above to 1200MHz.

[Grnfinger]

OCZ Reapers were decent b4 2008 when they came with Micron D9GMH IC's now I'm not sure what they use.
Plat's are not my flavour but they also used to have great IC's b4 2008 and now not sure what there using.

Unsure on Patriot , I have seen mixed results with this ram and have never used it myself.

[hewi]

Nice case!!
I've always liked the style of Lian Li cases.
Well now your stable lets see some 3Dmark scores...

What kinda temps are you getting on your 4870X2 under water?
I'm still waiting for my block!

Thanks, im a huge fan of Lian Li cases...the older ones that is.
Breaks my heart to cut her open for a radiator, kinda ruined the clean lines of a V1000-S :( maybe I'll get another one and hide it somewhere.

My 4870X2 idles around 32c & loads well under 50c which is a huge improvement over the stock aircooler, was getting ridiculous temps 60-70c idle with 30% fan control.
The XSPC block does it's job remarkably well, and my loudest part now is the daymn velociraptor, soon to be replaced with some SSD goodness.

[hewi]

hewi, take off the heatpipe assembly and replace the thermal compound with something decent, then post your results.

BTW, if you want to go H2O on the NB, you can pull the pipe out of the SB and use the stock SB heatsink like I did.

Hey, thanks for the tip. i might try that or put some enzotec ram sinks or chiset sink on there. I kinda like the siple look on my loop tho, adding the NB will make my tube routing a bit more crowded. we'll see :)

[t_ski]

If you do add the NB into the loop, I strongly suggest some thick-walled tubing, as the bend from CPU to NB is pretty tight, I have a piece of 5/8" OD, 7/16" ID tubing (Masterkleer IIRC). They Tygon would kink no matter what I did. :(

[Grnfinger]

Ahh its not a bad bend, even cheapo tubing can do it.
But getting the NB on water will help alot for high FSB clocks

[Nuckin_Futs]

OK, thankx on the RAM feedback. I guess it is obvious I mean for today. So for whatever IC's are being used today. I nerrowed down the choices to either OCZ Reaper or Platinum as for what is comparable in cost. In general, what is concidered to be OCZ's higher OC performer.

also, whp is offering quality X48 compatable NB coolers recently. I am looking for full copper to go w/ Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Copper as I am moving the water kit to another new project.

if not too much more in cost, what are some good PC2-9600 (DDR1200) known to perform well on this MF x38 mobo? I like the idea of the OCZ FLEX-EX but do they perform well to rated spd on our boards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227405

[Grnfinger]

OK, thankx on the RAM feedback. I guess it is obvious I mean for today. So for whatever IC's are being used today. I nerrowed down the choices to either OCZ Reaper or Platinum as for what is comparable in cost. In general, what is concidered to be OCZ's higher OC performer.

also, whp is offering quality X48 compatable NB coolers recently. I am looking for full copper to go w/ Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme Copper as I am moving the water kit to another new project.

if not too much more in cost, what are some good PC2-9600 (DDR1200) known to perform well on this MF x38 mobo? I like the idea of the OCZ FLEX-EX but do they perform well to rated spd on our boards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227405


Not sure about the Flex kit, but the GSkill 9600 kit is stellar, if you can afford them that is, A member here on XS has a kit for sale, I'd buy them and sell my 8800 kit but my spending days are done for a while after 2 water blocks a new case and my 4870X2 this past few weeks.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214795

[DemonsBlood]

Hi guys, I was wondering which board was better for overclocking an e5200 or q8200? The maximus formula or the new p5q-e...i know the p5q-e technically is p45( a newer chipset ) but the x38 chipset was a last-gen flagship so...which would be an overall better board to choose at the moment if they both costed the same?

[Grnfinger]

X38 is 45nm quad core FSB limited 425-430 will be you limit most likely, a few rare ones got higher buy not many
P5Q will most likely clock the quad higher...If you get the dual core grab a X38, if you get the quad core grab the P5Q my:2cents:

[t_ski]

Ahh its not a bad bend, even cheapo tubing can do it.
But getting the NB on water will help alot for high FSB clocks

Depends on how you set it up, I guess. My CPU outlet and my NB inlet are about 4" apart or less. The thin-walled Tygon kept kinking. :(

[Grnfinger]

Depends on how you set it up, I guess. My CPU outlet and my NB inlet are about 4" apart or less. The thin-walled Tygon kept kinking. :(

I've never used Tygon tubing myself so you would know, I once was stuck when I redid the loop and had to use cheapo Home Depot tubing, 10 feet for 5 bucks!!!!!!!!! cause my primoflex was in the mail....

[viccan]

Killer Job I got me a RAMPAGE NOW :)
:up::yepp:

[ZenEffect]

If you do add the NB into the loop, I strongly suggest some thick-walled tubing, as the bend from CPU to NB is pretty tight, I have a piece of 5/8" OD, 7/16" ID tubing (Masterkleer IIRC). They Tygon would kink no matter what I did. :(

1/2' id tygon would work better but would require some clamps. you could try putting a twist in the tygon to get it to work.


I've never used Tygon tubing myself so you would know, I once was stuck when I redid the loop and had to use cheapo Home Depot tubing, 10 feet for 5 bucks!!!!!!!!! cause my primoflex was in the mail....

ive used tygon before AND cheap home depot tubing. tygon is more prone to scaling than the cheap home depot tubing but is about 100x more flexible.

personally, I will never buy anything else but the cheap home depot tubing because it fits the barbs tighter than tygon, its way cheaper , clear as glass, and i dont have any tight enough so it doesnt kink,. if it works well, and still looks good then use it.

[les_paulde]

Only "problem" I have with cheap home depot tubing is the fact that it allows the coolant to evaporate more quickly than tygon tubing, meaning I have to refill my sytem more often than before. But you guys are totally right that the price is unbeatable!

Also, I find that if there is a bend that is too tight, Swiftech coolsleeves are the answer, I have yet to find a bend that is unmakeable!

[Grnfinger]

I personally like Primoflex, is very soft and flexible, thick walled so kinks are not really an issue, if you do happen to get one a 90 degree or 45 degree barb can fix you right up.
Reasonably priced, I think 12 feeet was 26 bucks or so, problem is its getting harder to find Candian stores selling watercooling. So if I shop American I get hit with and extra 20-30 percent for currency exchange. NCIX sucks for service and there selection is rather poor. Direct Canada (is NCIX I'm sure of it) and there prices and shipping are great but there stock level is ratehr crappy.
Orderd my 4870X2 block on Jan 11, has yet to ship :shakes:

[Kiwi76]

My cores are like 67c+ on load, if you touch the back of the heatsink its actually to hot to leave your finger on for more than a few seconds.
Now this is interesting. Under Orthos loads, (one of) my CPU core goes up to 65C even in Everest with the default TjMax of 100C, which Intel states (although there are compelling arguments it may be 95C). The CPU itself sometimes goes up to just under 65C, and the other core tops out around 60C. This is at 4.05GHz. At 4.275GHz, add ~5C to each.

I've long expected my CPU to be running much cooler than it's being reported as. I've lapped it, switched from a Freezer 7 Pro to a Xigmatech HDT s1283 (yes, I applied thermal paste correctly), and have great case airflow (Stacker 830SE with many fans). All of these efforts gave minimal or no improvement in temperatures, yet, the sensors aren't stuck. If I overclock, they go up, and if I underclock, they go way down. I simply think the CPU itself or motherboard sensors are way off.

I also think this because I always see others saying they have the same CPU with an weaker cooler, a non-lapped CPU, and comparable case cooling, and they get idle temperatures in the 20s, and loads under Orthos for the cores no higher than 45C. How, then, is mine running that much warmer, or is it really?

Get this. With the temperatures you listed above, you say it's too hot to touch. I can touch the base of the heatpipes on the cooler, and remember, the heatpipes are HDT touching the CPU itself, and I can not only hold my finger there at these supposed 65C+ (70C at 4.2GHz wasn't much warmer) temperatures, but it's barely even warm. My Northbriudge, by contrast, typically runs ~45C, and the heatpipe between it and the Soutbridge is much warmer, almost too hot to keep a touch on, but not quite.

Would I be safe then, to assume I can basically "ignore temperatures" and push it further? I got my E8400 the day after launch (January 21st was the first day Newegg had them in), and the batch number is in the signature in case it matters, and I remember these early ones had temperature issues. I'm thinking I got either I got one of them, or the motherboard just has really sensitive sensors.

[Grnfinger]

Now this is interesting. Under Orthos loads, (one of) my CPU core goes up to 65C even in Everest with the default TjMax of 100C, which Intel states (although there are compelling arguments it may be 95C). The CPU itself sometimes goes up to just under 65C, and the other core tops out around 60C. This is at 4.05GHz. At 4.275GHz, add ~5C to each.

I've long expected my CPU to be running much cooler than it's being reported as. I've lapped it, switched from a Freezer 7 Pro to a Xigmatech HDT s1283 (yes, I applied thermal paste correctly), and have great case airflow (Stacker 830SE with many fans). All of these efforts gave minimal or no improvement in temperatures, yet, the sensors aren't stuck. If I overclock, they go up, and if I underclock, they go way down. I simply think the CPU itself or motherboard sensors are way off.

I also think this because I always see others saying they have the same CPU with an weaker cooler, a non-lapped CPU, and comparable case cooling, and they get idle temperatures in the 20s, and loads under Orthos for the cores no higher than 45C. How, then, is mine running that much warmer, or is it really?

Get this. With the temperatures you listed above, you say it's too hot to touch. I can touch the base of the heatpipes on the cooler, and remember, the heatpipes are HDT touching the CPU itself, and I can not only hold my finger there at these supposed 65C+ (70C at 4.2GHz wasn't much warmer) temperatures, but it's barely even warm. My Northbriudge, by contrast, typically runs ~45C, and the heatpipe between it and the Soutbridge is much warmer, almost too hot to keep a touch on, but not quite.

Would I be safe then, to assume I can basically "ignore temperatures" and push it further? I got my E8400 the day after launch (January 21st was the first day Newegg had them in), and the batch number is in the signature in case it matters, and I remember these early ones had temperature issues. I'm thinking I got either I got one of them, or the motherboard just has really sensitive sensors.

I was referring to my 4870X2 gpu core NOT cpu

Most 8400 have stuck temps sensors, everyone argues over the tjmax so its really a matter of how comfortable are you with the way everything runs.
You seem to have investigated your problem, so maybe trying 3 or 4 different apps to check temps, then take teh average and run with that?
Dont rely on anything from Asus for temps, they coudnt code a screen saver

[Zucker2k]

No, it's not stable.... yet. ;)

[xxDayTrader]

Not sure about the Flex kit, but the GSkill 9600 kit is stellar, if you can afford them that is, A member here on XS has a kit for sale, I'd buy them and sell my 8800 kit but my spending days are done for a while after 2 water blocks a new case and my 4870X2 this past few weeks.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214795

a bit off subject but does anyone know what the requirement (post count I'd assume) is to access the "for sale" board? Whatever it is, I don't have it yet and I need to do a little shopping.

Edit......nevermind. Amazing what 3 seconds of looking can do for ya:
Yes there is a for sale forum.
But it only can be accessed once you reached 100 posts.

[Kiwi76]

I was referring to my 4870X2 gpu core NOT cpu

Most 8400 have stuck temps sensors, everyone argues over the tjmax so its really a matter of how comfortable are you with the way everything runs.
You seem to have investigated your problem, so maybe trying 3 or 4 different apps to check temps, then take teh average and run with that?
Dont rely on anything from Asus for temps, they coudnt code a screen saverAh, I must have missed that. Either way, regardless of if it's a CPU or GPU, if something is running at 65C-70C, I shouldn't be able to hold my touch there on the heatpipe less than an inch away from where said heatpipe is touching the source of the heat and it only feel slightly warm, right? If I stick my hand inside my case in front of the CPU fan, I feel alot of cool ambient air from the fans. It can't be an ambient problem.

Most programs report the same thing. Either they give results as though the TjMax were 100C (Everest), or 95C (Core Temp, Real Temp, etc.).

My point is that, A) for what I've attempted to keep it cool, this seems too high, B) others with less colling preparation get better results with the same CPU at the same speed, and C) I've touched it and it's not as warm as my Northbridge heatpipe.

Also, my sensors aren't stuck. They move both ways. They just seem way, way off.

[Jokester_wild]

Is it a huge benefit to do the rampage conversion on the Maximus Formula. Just debating it right now. Be interesting to try it if I knew it would also be stable.

[Nuckin_Futs]

Is it a huge benefit to do the rampage conversion on the Maximus Formula. Just debating it right now. Be interesting to try it if I knew it would also be stable.
I've been curious for to get more detailed feedback myself. In over a year of teh hack, I still cant get any clear cut daily user feedback as to its functions in Sleep and Hibernate and on the 5:6 CPU:RAM divider?

Also I realized the RAM I asked about was not available and just now found out it is shipping out tomorrow so I can find out for myself now. I ordered the OCZ Flex EX PC2-9600 in the 2x2g kit and may try the PC3-16000 on my other X48 set.

Anybody else running newer rated DDR1200 on x38?

[Allubz]

I've posted here before with my problem, and today I got back to testing again.

For some reason whenever I overclock and Prime95 the whole thing Core 0 seems fine with it but core 1 stops after a while (when using separate affinities). When I assign both Cores to Prime95 the whole thing stops right after a few seconds (same goes for OCCT, same script anyway)

My temps are perfectly fine 47-50 degrees. Another interesting note here is that Core 0 (altough not assigned) gets hotter than Core 1, about 2-3 degrees.

I'm currently running my rig at:
8*500 = 4GHz (E8400 C0) 1.45v, VID 1.225 (yes I know that's ridiculous)
1:2 = 1000MHz CL5 (OCZ FlexXLC PC2-6400 CL3) (2.3v)

I'm running these rather high voltages to make sure I'm having enough juice on there. The temps are just fine.

I am to say that there's something wrong with this processor, or at least a core of it.


While posting I am running Prime95 on Core 1. After two tests Worker 2 gave up due to a false rounding of the processor.
Worker 1 is still running.


Worker 1 failed after test 8

[les_paulde]

After two tests Worker 2 gave up due to a false rounding of the processor.

I would suggest to have a look at GTL references, there's an excellent thread on the topic here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202292)

Usually, one core failing with a rounding error can be corrected for by using CPU GTL referencing, most common way is to set it at 0.63x and go up if necessary.

What about your other voltages (VTT, vNB)?

[Allubz]

Ah, Nederlander :)

I'll post the voltages tomorrow I think since I'm lacking time and energy right now, but they're all rather high.

The CPU GTL reference is, I'm pretty sure, on 0.67x and the other one, whatever it's named is set to 0.63x (both their maxes, afaik).

I'll buy 4x1GB of 8500 Tracers right now so they should be in around monday or tuesday.

[les_paulde]

Hehe Nederlander indeed... ;)

Yeah the GTL reference voltage needs to be calculated according to the maths in the linked thread. For me, with 1.3v VTT, 0.63x seemed to be the best match, but this all depends on your voltages, cpu and motherboard. My NB GTL doesnt like to be touched at all, whereas others seem to have good results with 0.67x. It requires some trial and error but does help stabilize high FSBs it seems. I guess at 500 fsb, your NB voltages are quite crucial as well.

Are you getting the double or single-sided tracers? My x48 P5E dlx hated the guts of the single-sided- I could not for the life of me get them to run stable so I hope you're getting te double sided ones! (although people's experiences seem to differ on these boards...)

let us know how it goes!

[devilhood]

I was referring to my 4870X2 gpu core NOT cpu

Most 8400 have stuck temps sensors, everyone argues over the tjmax so its really a matter of how comfortable are you with the way everything runs.
You seem to have investigated your problem, so maybe trying 3 or 4 different apps to check temps, then take teh average and run with that?
Dont rely on anything from Asus for temps, they coudnt code a screen saver

:ROTF::ROTF: ASUS coding a screen saver that showed your mobo sensor info..

I think the latest Everest beta is showing my temps correctly now, before it would always be around 10c too much.

[Allubz]

I'll update you guys on my situation as soon as I get the Crucial sticks, which should be tomorrow or the day after.

Since I bought them new, I do have the bad feeling they will be single-sided, but heck, it's still a lot better than OCZ FlexXLC PC2-6400 CL3 which run up to 1000MHz.

[Nuckin_Futs]

Question on the good ol' Crucial Tracers? If I want how can I confirm they will be the early revisions other then double sided? What sites (net stores) will know that before shipping?

[les_paulde]

Question on the good ol' Crucial Tracers? If I want how can I confirm they will be the early revisions other then double sided? What sites (net stores) will know that before shipping?

That can get a little tricky. If I remember correctly, the old revisions had serial number BL2KIT12864AL1065. But looking at, for example, this site (http://www.cyberport.de/item/2/0/0/89274/2048-mb-2x1024-crucial-ballistix-tracer-ddr2-1066-cl5-5-5-5-15-ram---kit-.html) (where I had bought mine which turned out to be single-sided) lists both BL2KIT12864AL1065 and BL2KIT12864AL106A as the serial. Upon delivery it turned out to be the BL2KIT12864AL106A kit (I'm pretty sure) which would not for the life of me get my computer to run Vista stably, even at stock. But as I said, people's experiences seem to differ on this matter, so I'm curious what you will find Allubz!

I guess personally I would write the etailer an email if you wanna make sure which version it is exactly, and what crucial told me back then (~5 months ago) was that the double-sided were almost not available anymore. PriceGuideNetwork (http://www.priceguidenetwork.com/crucial-ballistix-tracer-bl12864al1065-1gb-ddr2-1066-pc2-8500-240-pin-gaming-memory-bl12864al1065.html) still lists them as BL2KIT12864AL1065 but I check with them before doing anything... :p:

[Grnfinger]

Question on the good ol' Crucial Tracers? If I want how can I confirm they will be the early revisions other then double sided? What sites (net stores) will know that before shipping?

I'd buy them from ebay or a XS member b4 I took my chances with Crucial now.

[Jagged]

Which BIOS seems to be most stable & being able to OC much better...?

[Allubz]

Got 'em.

4x BL2KIT12864AL106A

Let's get to the RAM first then, shall we.

333 / 1066 / CL5 / 2.0v - As spec'ed
344 / 1101 / CL5 / 2.2v
360 / 1152 / CL5 / 2.2v
367 / 1175 / CL5 / 2.2v
375 / 1200 / CL5 / 2.2 - 2.4v

This makes me a tad sad.

BIOS:
Multi: 6
PCIE: 100
DRAM timings: 5-5-5-18-2N
CPU: 1.4v
PLL: 1.5v
NB: 1.55v
DRAM: 2.1v (+0.1 ASUS gift)
FSB: 1.4v
SB: 1.050v
SB: 1.5v
LoadCal: Enabled
Spread Spectra: Disabled

All other settings on auto since I don't really know how to set them to actually be as loose as possible to allow maximum overclocking, to tighten them later.

Someone claimed the newer BallistiX have Powerchips on them, but I thought that would only be true for the 2GB DIMMs, any input on this is also appreciated.

Currently running:

8.5*470 = 4GHz 1.4v
1128-5-5-5-18-2N 2.2v

[Grnfinger]

Got 'em.

4x BL2KIT12864AL106A

Let's get to the RAM first then, shall we.

333 / 1066 / CL5 / 2.0v - As spec'ed
344 / 1101 / CL5 / 2.2v
360 / 1152 / CL5 / 2.2v
367 / 1175 / CL5 / 2.2v
375 / 1200 / CL5 / 2.2 - 2.4v

This makes me a tad sad.

BIOS:
Multi: 6
PCIE: 100
DRAM timings: 5-5-5-18-2N
CPU: 1.4v
PLL: 1.5v
NB: 1.55v
DRAM: 2.1v (+0.1 ASUS gift)
FSB: 1.4v
SB: 1.050v
SB: 1.5v
LoadCal: Enabled
Spread Spectra: Disabled

All other settings on auto since I don't really know how to set them to actually be as loose as possible to allow maximum overclocking, to tighten them later.

Someone claimed the newer BallistiX have Powerchips on them, but I thought that would only be true for the 2GB DIMMs, any input on this is also appreciated.

Currently running:

8.5*470 = 4GHz 1.4v
1128-5-5-5-18-2N 2.2v

You are a where that crucial ballistix tracers are NOT campatible with X38 chipsets right.

[Allubz]

Oh really >.<

I thought I've seen enough different boards to think they're good on any chip.

How's a P45 board? I might just sell this one off and buy a decent P45 board.
I'm not going NV chips for sure, nor do I feel like changing CPU brands atm.

I suppose the X48 boards aren't any better with it either?

Anyone EVER heard of this P/N: BL1286AL106A.8FE5

I can't seem to find it anywhere!

[Grnfinger]

P45 an X48 are OK, its just X38 for some reason hates this ram
I have confirmed this with Crucial, if you search this thread the reference is there

[Allubz]

Well, lucky me.

This explains my problem:
http://i4memory.com/f67/quick-review-crucial-ballistix-pc2-8500-single-sided-module-5446/

They do 1150 at best...

Any newer RAM that runs 1200-1250?

[Grnfinger]

Crucial is not the company it once was.
Try to find to Team Xtreme or Cellshock on ebay there amazing
There was an XS member selling the older double sided BT's not sure if there still up 4sale or not.

[orbiter]

Anyone run 8GB memory on the Maximus Formula? And if so does are there any performance gains/losses or NB heat issues?

I'm getting memory erros with my reapers and was thinking down the lines of a set of 2x2GB or 4x2GB Corsair Dominators.

Orb

[Grnfinger]

Dominators are great ram, if you get the right IC's you'll be very happy with them.
8GB's is a tad overkill imo unless you do alot of heavy encoding or auto cad, 8GBs will be harder on the MCH wont clock as high and will be harder to get high FSB overclocks stable
If you do not have a legit reason for 8GBs then I would not make the investment but thats my :2cents:

[e1ectra_one]

Hi

I have some problems with OC on my Maximus Formula, I can't get my Q6600 pass 3DMark06 cpu test on anything above 3.6Ghz, i managed to get 3.69Ghz but very unstabile, is it the overheating or some thing else.

Here is one SS
http://i41.tinypic.com/35bef7o.png

:up:

[pphx459]

I would stay away from Crucials and this board, I've had about 3 pairs of the ballistix 8500's and they never worked correctly on this board. After switching to G.skill have not had a single issue for almost over a year.

[screwtech02]

Guys, i need HELP in a bad way. I flashed my P5E to the Rampage bios months ago, currently using the 0701 bios. Now my board is actin flakey, not recovering correctly ect. I have tried to flash back to the P5E bios to no avail. Keep getting invalid something or another when using the bootable usb stick method. I have my usb stick all set up, and the latest P5E bios on it.

Can sombody post the EXACT thing that i need to type in at the dos promt?? The AFUDOS /I ect, ect???

The bios is named P5E-ASUS-1102.ROM.

I wanna put it back to a "stock" bios to see if the flakiness goes away....

Any help is appreciated....

Screwtech......:cool:

[Zucker2k]

Guys, i need HELP in a bad way. I flashed my P5E to the Rampage bios months ago, currently using the 0701 bios. Now my board is actin flakey, not recovering correctly ect. I have tried to flash back to the P5E bios to no avail. Keep getting invalid something or another when using the bootable usb stick method. I have my usb stick all set up, and the latest P5E bios on it.

Can sombody post the EXACT thing that i need to type in at the dos promt?? The AFUDOS /I ect, ect???

The bios is named P5E-ASUS-1102.ROM.

I wanna put it back to a "stock" bios to see if the flakiness goes away....

Any help is appreciated....

Screwtech......:cool:Rename bios to 1102.rom

type:

afu236u.exe /i1102.rom /n /pbnc

[screwtech02]

Cool Zuker, ill give it a go....:up:

Woot!! It worked...... But it didnt solve my issue.... Only way to get the board to recover is to unplug the power supply from board, and let it set about 10min.... Maybe its time for a RMA....

[loften]

i am thinking of replacing my e6850 with a e8400, e8500 or e8600 as my e6850 will not do what i want it to do on air.. the most i can get out of it is about 3.79 and it has been running at 3.6 24/7 for almost a year. i am hoping to get 4.0. i see the e8400 does that for many people with fairly low volts but don't see to much info on the other two i listed.. which one do you think i should get? the e8400 is 160-170 and the e8500 is about 10 more the e8600 is way more. is it that much better? if the 8400 will do what i want is there any reason to spend any more for one of the others? i am not looking to break any records or anything just get a little higher oc with maybe less volts and close to the same temps.. once i start upping my volts to get this one to work any higher funky things start happening due to heat being on air?? thanks.

[Zucker2k]

i am thinking of replacing my e6850 with a e8400, e8500 or e8600 as my e6850 will not do what i want it to do on air.. the most i can get out of it is about 3.79 and it has been running at 3.6 24/7 for almost a year. i am hoping to get 4.0. i see the e8400 does that for many people with fairly low volts but don't see to much info on the other two i listed.. which one do you think i should get? the e8400 is 160-170 and the e8500 is about 10 more the e8600 is way more. is it that much better? if the 8400 will do what i want is there any reason to spend any more for one of the others? i am not looking to break any records or anything just get a little higher oc with maybe less volts and close to the same temps.. once i start upping my volts to get this one to work any higher funky things start happening due to heat being on air?? thanks.For $10 more I'll definitely go for the .5 more on the multi of the E8500. Just be sure you get a E0 and 4.2Ghz should be a breeze.

[loften]

thanks

[Allubz]

There's no good reason for getting a E0 over a C0 though.

I don't recall the proof atm. since it's 4.20am but the E0 has higher timings on its L2 cache and comparing 4.0 C0 vs a 4.4 E0 delivers about the same performance results, just due to that timing.

[Zucker2k]

There's no good reason for getting a E0 over a C0 though.

I don't recall the proof atm. since it's 4.20am but the E0 has higher timings on its L2 cache and comparing 4.0 C0 vs a 4.4 E0 delivers about the same performance results, just due to that timing.Well, go and sleep and then come back and see if you still feel the same way.

[loften]

i have been looking at the e8000's for a few weeks. it is hard to find out from many sites which stepping code they are selling even looking at the specs.. i almost got a e8500 today but the people at the place i was at didn't have a clue when i asked about the stepping. i asked for a print up of the specs and they were clueless or to buisy to help so i walked away.. i was thinking i should ask about it here first... the info is good to know and if the stepping is not to big of a deal then maybe i'll just go back and not worry to much about it because it is only a few more dollars there then i could get it online anywhere, it's even less if adding my gas and not paying shipping.

[loften]

SLB9K is eo right? is eo newer then co?

[loften]

:woot::woot::woot:another thing is my sig shows i am on the rampage bios but i was having issues with that bios so i switched back to the maximus bios. which was version number 1004 when i did it. is that maximus bios compatable with the newer cpu's with 45nm and or the .5 multi cpu's? thanks again.. edit :D

[Allubz]

SLB9K is eo right? is eo newer then co?
E0 is newer. Read my previous post about the difference(s) between the steppings though. Performance-wise it doesn't matter which one you get.



another thing is my sig shows i am on the rampage bios but i was having issues with that bios so i switched back to the maximus bios. which was version number 1004 when i did it. is that maximus bios compatable with the newer cpu's with 45nm and or the .5 multi cpu's? thanks again..

Maximus did support 45nm CPU's but not the Quads I think same for the .5 multi's at the first BIOS. I'm not totally sure though.

Please try to EDIT your posts instead of posting three times after each other.

[Grnfinger]

:woot::woot::woot:another thing is my sig shows i am on the rampage bios but i was having issues with that bios so i switched back to the maximus bios. which was version number 1004 when i did it. is that maximus bios compatable with the newer cpu's with 45nm and or the .5 multi cpu's? thanks again.. edit :D

iirc 1004 will support 45nm

[orbiter]

Dominators are great ram, if you get the right IC's you'll be very happy with them.
8GB's is a tad overkill imo unless you do alot of heavy encoding or auto cad, 8GBs will be harder on the MCH wont clock as high and will be harder to get high FSB overclocks stable
If you do not have a legit reason for 8GBs then I would not make the investment but thats my :2cents:


Thanks Grnfinger :up: I actually do quite a lot of batch processing of large files in CS4 so the 8GB may assist here. Would this extra loading on the NB come into effect at say 3.8GHz?

PS not getting rid of the Maximus Formula now. I just didn't like the UD3P at all.. Had issues with sound (even with separate card) and glitching in games at only moderate OC 4.1-4.2GHz. And boot time to windows was twice the time of my Max Formula. The MF is solid without any issues even though the OC is limited to around 3.9Ghz Max. I may just invest in a Rampage or MFII further down the road.

Regards

Orb

[viccan]

Has anyone experianced any crashing /or should i say freezing issues after flashing the maximus to the rampage??? Just got this Board and only had it a day before I flashed it but I keep getting freezing up on me not even at full load it will just randomly freeze?? I cant put my finger on it Ram tested out 100% fine with memtest86 and cpu is brand new Q9650, had to download newer bios from asus site as the bios that were offered on here werent capable of running 2 4870's in xfire... Help me help me :) any suggestions or thaughts grteatly appreciated..

vic

[screwtech02]

I'm still havin issues with the lateset Rampage bios too. Have to use it due to 2 4850x2's.... Flashed the latest P5E/Formula bios's too, they exibit the same issues.... All other componants test good...

[cyrixMII300]

hey guys.. i have a small problem now. my system is exhibiting strange usb problems lately. my mouse is clicking way too fast, probably at the speed of light. i click once and it opens things multiple times. I am not sure whats the problem. Also some of my front panel USB ports which are connected to the MB have stopped working. I hope that I didnt fry the USB controller or anything. Have already tried reinstalling XP but to no avail. The problem persists. My Quad is overclocked to 3.8GHz at the moment and I have also tried dropping the voltage and yet cant resolve it. Anyone could guess whats the cause? It seems very difficult to identify the problem here and I would appreciate any help. Btw, I have already tried configuring the speed of the mouse click to the lowest and still the problem remains. I have also tried replacing the mouse and I still have the same problem. Help me out guys.

[pphx459]

FYI, the latest 1302 bios supports 45nm quads.

[pphx459]

Has anyone experianced any crashing /or should i say freezing issues after flashing the maximus to the rampage??? Just got this Board and only had it a day before I flashed it but I keep getting freezing up on me not even at full load it will just randomly freeze?? I cant put my finger on it Ram tested out 100% fine with memtest86 and cpu is brand new Q9650, had to download newer bios from asus site as the bios that were offered on here werent capable of running 2 4870's in xfire... Help me help me :) any suggestions or thaughts grteatly appreciated..

vic

I never flashed to the rampage bios, but I did have random freeze issues with the same setup even though the system was able to prime and memtest for over 8 hours at 4ghz. I backed off on the OC to 3.9 and the system is now stable. I've also found that upping the nb volts on this board helps stability tremendiously, you can give that a try.

[viccan]

I'm still havin issues with the lateset Rampage bios too. Have to use it due to 2 4850x2's.... Flashed the latest P5E/Formula bios's too, they exibit the same issues.... All other componants test good...

Thats why I had to update Im running 2 4870's 1 4870x2 and 1 single both cards have 1 gig memory per gpu ?? But that is exactly why I upgraded the bios..


hey guys.. i have a small problem now. my system is exhibiting strange usb problems lately. my mouse is clicking way too fast, probably at the speed of light. i click once and it opens things multiple times. I am not sure whats the problem. Also some of my front panel USB ports which are connected to the MB have stopped working. I hope that I didnt fry the USB controller or anything. Have already tried reinstalling XP but to no avail. The problem persists. My Quad is overclocked to 3.8GHz at the moment and I have also tried dropping the voltage and yet cant resolve it. Anyone could guess whats the cause? It seems very difficult to identify the problem here and I would appreciate any help. Btw, I have already tried configuring the speed of the mouse click to the lowest and still the problem remains. I have also tried replacing the mouse and I still have the same problem. Help me out guys.

Its funny you bring up the USB, I had forgot about that element of my problem not so much with the click speed as just hearing my usb chime like something got unplugged or plugged in?? A few times my USB keyboard stopped working and it would re establish once unplugged and then pluged back in? I think its best I just go back to the latest formula maximus bios to see if that solves the issue?



I never flashed to the rampage bios, but I did have random freeze issues with the same setup even though the system was able to prime and memtest for over 8 hours at 4ghz. I backed off on the OC to 3.9 and the system is now stable. I've also found that upping the nb volts on this board helps stability tremendously, you can give that a try.


Make sure I got this right your using a true Maximus (not rampage) Bios and having similar issues? I had all clocks and voltages set to auto and Im still getting it also my cpu pll never goes below 1.6v even if I manually set it at its lowest setting (1.5v) in the bios Man Im getting aggravated by this board!
At first I thought it was memory I used prime 95 and memtest both for 8-9 hours no crash then Im like the problems gone hurray :) 2 seconds later I hit send on my email and KABOOM! she down for the count?? Im running @ 3.825 MHZ and still happening my vid reported by core temp is 1.1625v and Im currently running 1.216v I've been slowly bumping it up to find stability or should I say a stop freezing as everything was stable performance and bench wise @ 1.2v My max temps are running 59 59 56 56 with full load Prime95 as well as OCCT..:shakes:

EXTREME Clockers ACTIVATE!!! :)

[Grnfinger]

For those having USB issues up your damn SB volts and update to the latest chipset drivers.

For other anomalies it would be helpfull if you stated what bios your running, as Asus has coded some major :banana::banana::banana::banana: lately. Clocks speed for chip and ram would also be benificial. static read control and PL level are all relevant information that no one chooses to post, how about STOP posting about your problem untill you include the information required to help you.
Hard locks are usually vNB or tref values incorrect. The harder you tax the MCH the more volts you'll need to pump in to it. Cause your ram is rated for 2.1 - 2.2 volts dosent mean thats all you need, it's rated at that voltage for the rated speed, if you increase speed beyond its rating you might need to up the ram volts.
No offence to anyone that owns it but OCZ is crappy ram and is most likely what your problem is.

[loften]

ok i had to upgrade the bios to the newer one.. first post on the e8500 eo at 420x9.5 @ 4.0, 1.21 volts.. 36-38 degrees ram @ 11something right into windows.. going to start messing with it to see what volts things require.. thanks for the info guys.. i will keep you posted..

[viccan]

For those having USB issues up your damn SB volts and update to the latest chipset drivers.

For other anomalies it would be helpfull if you stated what bios your running, as Asus has coded some major :banana::banana::banana::banana: lately. Clocks speed for chip and ram would also be benificial. static read control and PL level are all relevant information that no one chooses to post, how about STOP posting about your problem untill you include the information required to help you.
Hard locks are usually vNB or tref values incorrect. The harder you tax the MCH the more volts you'll need to pump in to it. Cause your ram is rated for 2.1 - 2.2 volts dosent mean thats all you need, it's rated at that voltage for the rated speed, if you increase speed beyond its rating you might need to up the ram volts.
No offence to anyone that owns it but OCZ is crappy ram and is most likely what your problem is.


Ok here we go :

cpu= 1.216
cpu pll = 1.616
fsb term= 1.392
dram = 2.16
nb = 1.632 (just upped to 1.68)
sb = 1.088 (just upped to 1.136)
sb 1.5v = 1.552
dram controller v = 1.088
3.3 = 3.232
5v =4.992
12v = 12.152

cpu multiplier = 9
fsb = 425
fsb strap = auto
pcie freq = 100
ddr freq = 1066
dra,m command rate = auto
dram commmand skew (ch. A+B)= auto
dram clock skew (ch A+B) = auto
dram timming 5-5-5-15-3-54-6-3
2nd info = 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
3rd info = 14-5-1-6-6

dram static read = auto
a.i. clock twister = auto
a.i. transaction booster = auto
everything else set to auto except loadline calibration is enabled

again cpu pll is set at lowest setting available 1.5 yet it registers 1.616
and cpu voltage is set to 1.23125v but is registering 1.216v

Bios is asus formula rampage 0701 (latest bios avail. for multiple ati 4870 cards)

hope this helps you help me :) thanks

[Grnfinger]

I'll post up some suggstions shortly, off to eat :up:

Some things that will help....

whats the voltage rating for your ram?
in your sig I assume the 2 drives are raid?

[chew*]

Guess what I found today grn?

Black pearl.

How did you make out with the ram, seems to not do as well as 2x1gig variants could be the bios on that board i'm working with however.

Using the maxi to do a comparison review in the next week or so :D

[viccan]

I'll post up some suggstions shortly, off to eat :up:

Some things that will help....

whats the voltage rating for your ram?
in your sig I assume the 2 drives are raid?

Voltage rating is 2.2v Another member suggested tuning it down a tad but obviously i did not fix it so??? No the 2 750's are not in raid Thanks for responding so quick I do appreciate it:up:

It is OCZ But i did mem test is for 9 hours and not 1 error so Im hoping i got a good batch from them..

[Grnfinger]

Guess what I found today grn?

Black pearl.

How did you make out with the ram, seems to not do as well as 2x1gig variants could be the bios on that board i'm working with however.

Using the maxi to do a comparison review in the next week or so :D

OMG:shocked: I am so jealous
pics please pics,
you know your not helping my wallet any :D

Have not grabbed the ram yet, I know I'm slacking...I'm in argument over my 4870XX2 block, still no stock and I'm getting frustrated.
I want to change my order but they wont say how long to refund my current order.
iirc the 2x2 GB kit should do 1150MHz-1175MHz, cherry kit will do 1200



Voltage rating is 2.2v Another member suggested tuning it down a tad but obviously i did not fix it so??? No the 2 750's are not in raid Thanks for responding so quick I do appreciate it:up:

It is OCZ But i did mem test is for 9 hours and not 1 error so Im hoping i got a good batch from them..

try this out
CLOCK SKEW advanced 250ps both channels ( adjust down from here)
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 65 (this value is important for 8GBs)

CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60 ( try to work down)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53 - 1.55 ( try running it here adjust higher if need)
DRAM Voltage : 2.12 ( board over volts .8 so you get 2.2 actual)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40

Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.55

Let me know how you make out, worse / better / no change

[chew*]

OMG:shocked: I am so jealous
pics please pics,
you know your not helping my wallet any :D

Have not grabbed the ram yet, I know I'm slacking...I'm in argument over my 4870XX2 block, still no stock and I'm getting frustrated.
I want to change my order but they wont say how long to refund my current order.
iirc the 2x2 GB kit should do 1150MHz-1175MHz, cherry kit will do 1200


I took my set back, my board kept puking them up. Best timings I could do was 4-4-4-10 @ 420, 5-4-4-10 @ 500, 5-5-5-15 @ 1080 and wanted higher than 5 timings....for anything higher. This was on amd of course, I'm sure on the intel they would do considerably higher. That set that I know is good is at the location mentioned below.

That board is at a brick and mortar store, selling for 169.99. They take credit card. If you want info PM me...you can call them and talk to an actual person :shocked: :D

[viccan]

OMG:shocked: I am so jealous
pics please pics,
you know your not helping my wallet any :D

Have not grabbed the ram yet, I know I'm slacking...I'm in argument over my 4870XX2 block, still no stock and I'm getting frustrated.
I want to change my order but they wont say how long to refund my current order.
iirc the 2x2 GB kit should do 1150MHz-1175MHz, cherry kit will do 1200




try this out
CLOCK SKEW advanced 250ps both channels ( adjust down from here)
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 65 (this value is important for 8GBs)

CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60 ( try to work down)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53 - 1.55 ( try running it here adjust higher if need)
DRAM Voltage : 2.12 ( board over volts .8 so you get 2.2 actual)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40

Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.55

Let me know how you make out, worse / better / no change


Well It seems better but it never freezes at the same times like I said sometimes Ill just go to send an email and freeze.. Im primming now @ 3.92GHz I managed to boot with all the settings you provided except the pll increased to 1.6v and it wouldnt post? I had it set at 1.5 but it jest goes up to the 1.616v so i decreased to the 1.5 I had origionally had it at and it booted right up but still readds 1.616 in bios ? :) Thankyou very much So from here I guess time will tell... Im running 9x 433

If I wanted to push it to 9x 450 would I have to adjust any of these settings ? or would they be good there too?? Thanks again really appreciate the help ;)

[ShawnTRD]

What do I need? I thought my voltages were pretty high for air coolling. If you need more info I copy it from the BIOS. Also my USB Passport External drive won't show up in windows. Do I need more SB Voltage?

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.38 V
+3.3 V 3.23 V
+5 V 4.90 V
+12 V 12.10 V
+5 V Standby 4.90 V
FSB VTT 1.60 V
North Bridge Core 1.58 V
South Bridge Core 1.10 V
South Bridge PLL 1.54 V
DIMM 2.10 V
DIMM VTT 1.04 V
GPU Vcc 3.27 V

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/OC.jpg

[ShawnTRD]

Anyone?



What do I need? I thought my voltages were pretty high for air coolling. If you need more info I copy it from the BIOS. Also my USB Passport External drive won't show up in windows. Do I need more SB Voltage?

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.38 V
+3.3 V 3.23 V
+5 V 4.90 V
+12 V 12.10 V
+5 V Standby 4.90 V
FSB VTT 1.60 V
North Bridge Core 1.58 V
South Bridge Core 1.10 V
South Bridge PLL 1.54 V
DIMM 2.10 V
DIMM VTT 1.04 V
GPU Vcc 3.27 V

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/OC.jpg

[Grnfinger]

Anyone?

try a little more vcore, passing 1024 but failing 8k I would lean real hard towards vcore

[loften]

going to say up your vcore a little if that's a quad.... might put some sort of cooling on your north bridge if it has the bare se block.. not only did it help my nb temps and stability issues a little it helped my loaded cpu temps in tests by a few degrees..

[chew*]

Yah NB temps hinder your fsb overclocking attempts. Really need to put it on water. I put a decent individual sink on it and it still ran hot.

Grn did you pull the trigger on the black pearl?

[viccan]

Continued crashing ? Not sure why?? I tried upping the voltage dropping the voltage same w/ NB/SB/ RAM even everything set to auto continued to be a problem!
Went back to Old Gigabyte GA-X-38-DQ6 motherboard it has been running Prime95 stable 14hrs+ as I have obtained 3.8 only thing that bothers me about this board is its vcore jumps around under cpuz even with loadline cal enabled?? I have no idea why yet the asus board was rock solid voltage no matter where I set it? I might invest in a DFI board soon if this gives me any probs? Thus far it seems stable as a pyramid @ 3.8ghz ran 4 ghz for about an hour but couldn't find stable setting so dropped to 3.8 and hey Im ok with that for now, though DFI might be the answer?? Not sure why the asus max formula kept freezing real shame as I like the board and it bios immensely :(

viccan

[pphx459]

Continued crashing ? Not sure why?? I tried upping the voltage dropping the voltage same w/ NB/SB/ RAM even everything set to auto continued to be a problem!
Went back to Old Gigabyte GA-X-38-DQ6 motherboard it has been running Prime95 stable 14hrs+ as I have obtained 3.8 only thing that bothers me about this board is its vcore jumps around under cpuz even with loadline cal enabled?? I have no idea why yet the asus board was rock solid voltage no matter where I set it? I might invest in a DFI board soon if this gives me any probs? Thus far it seems stable as a pyramid @ 3.8ghz ran 4 ghz for about an hour but couldn't find stable setting so dropped to 3.8 and hey Im ok with that for now, though DFI might be the answer?? Not sure why the asus max formula kept freezing real shame as I like the board and it bios immensely :(

viccan

Yea, it's a shame that this board cannot handle 4ghz. About to try out a mIIF soon.

[Grnfinger]

Yea, it's a shame that this board cannot handle 4ghz. About to try out a mIIF soon.

I would have to disagree


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[viccan]

The Freeze continued , I swapped out my Memory for corsair, My video for a gforce8800 , my psu, even my CPU to the old 6600 and the freeze continues! Finally I just built on my old gigabyte x-38 dq6 and the freezing has stopped? over 24 hours prime stable! Go figure?? This was my 1st asus board since a k8v se I had for an old athlon years ago, that board still runs this board well there's much to be said...
Not sure what the deal was everything to stock / auto in settings even flashed back to the original maximus bios and zip?
The whole reason I upgraded to this asus board was CPU-z would show my vcore moving around even with loadline cal enabled? Wasn't crashing or anything was just pissed it wouldnt stay put..
The formula stayed locked on target with cpu-z as far as vcore goes but froze daily if not hourly? Wonder if I could RMA it? I bought it used

[cyrixMII300]

hey guys any ideas on the USB problems? (previous page). I have tried increasing the voltage to the NB and also reinstalling the chipset drivers but to no avail. i still have the same problems as before. someone help me out here please.

[Zucker2k]

New BETA bios 0802 with CPU/NB SKEW DELAYS courtesy of A-Grey: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/525714/RAMPAGE-ASUS-Formula-0802.zip

[chew*]

Yea, it's a shame that this board cannot handle 4ghz. About to try out a mIIF soon.

I would concur with grn as well ;) ALL AIR RESULTS.
You apparently just aren't using the right settings yet for your chip.

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[chew*]

hey guys any ideas on the USB problems? (previous page). I have tried increasing the voltage to the NB and also reinstalling the chipset drivers but to no avail. i still have the same problems as before. someone help me out here please.

Add SB volts.........not NB.

[Nuckin_Futs]

The Freeze continued , I swapped out my Memory for corsair, My video for a gforce8800 , my psu, even my CPU to the old 6600 and the freeze continues! Finally I just built on my old gigabyte x-38 dq6 and the freezing has stopped? over 24 hours prime stable! Go figure?? This was my 1st asus board since a k8v se I had for an old athlon years ago, that board still runs this board well there's much to be said...
Not sure what the deal was everything to stock / auto in settings even flashed back to the original maximus bios and zip?
The whole reason I upgraded to this asus board was CPU-z would show my vcore moving around even with loadline cal enabled? Wasn't crashing or anything was just pissed it wouldnt stay put..
The formula stayed locked on target with cpu-z as far as vcore goes but froze daily if not hourly? Wonder if I could RMA it? I bought it used

I think the 1st problem was leaving things to auto on this mobo. It is well documented in this as well as my origional tread that this mobo overvolts lots of its values. Not to mention overclocking the quad and on a ram divider takes more effort to get it stable on most boards.

Shoot us your BIOS template or request one I pposted long ago so you cvan fill in the blanks and the group can better help. Just list your voltages as reported so it is much more simple.

In general, I will side w/ the others to say you for sure need some more vcore on that Q6700. I know it's a great CPU and will do better then my old 2yo Q6600 and That can do 4g on this mobo w/ some good tweaking. The ram divider is another story, needs lots of NB volts FSBT, PLL and so on. Oh ja, your FSBT is quite high for what FSB you are show. I only used 1.504v at 500FSB w/ a PLL of 1.648v. I have had a few 65nm quads need a PLL as high as 1.7v to keep stable at 500FSB. Be patient, I think it can do it.:)

Good look, hope this helps.

[Grnfinger]

The Freeze continued , I swapped out my Memory for corsair, My video for a gforce8800 , my psu, even my CPU to the old 6600 and the freeze continues! Finally I just built on my old gigabyte x-38 dq6 and the freezing has stopped? over 24 hours prime stable! Go figure?? This was my 1st asus board since a k8v se I had for an old athlon years ago, that board still runs this board well there's much to be said...
Not sure what the deal was everything to stock / auto in settings even flashed back to the original maximus bios and zip?
The whole reason I upgraded to this asus board was CPU-z would show my vcore moving around even with loadline cal enabled? Wasn't crashing or anything was just pissed it wouldnt stay put..
The formula stayed locked on target with cpu-z as far as vcore goes but froze daily if not hourly? Wonder if I could RMA it? I bought it used

Whats your NB temps when your running Prime?

Please fill this in


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
FSB Frequency :
FSB Strap to North Bridge :
PCI-E Frequency:
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-
DRAM Command Rate :
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency :
RAS# to CAS# Delay :
RAS# Precharge :
RAS# ActivateTime :
RAS# to RAS# Delay :
Row Refresh Cycle Time :
Write Recovery Time :
Read to Precharge Time :

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :
Write to Read Delay (S) :
Write to Read Delay (D) :
Read to Read Delay (S) :
Read to Read Delay (D) :
Write to Write Delay (S) :
Write to Write Delay (D) :
DRAM Static Read Control:
Ai Clock Twister :
Transaction Booster :

CPU Voltage :
CPU PLL Voltage :
North Bridge Voltage :
DRAM Voltage :
FSB Termination Voltage :
South Bridge Voltage :
Loadline Calibration :
CPU GTL Reference :
North Bridge GTL Reference :
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :
SB 1.5V Voltage :

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

[Nuckin_Futs]

DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :

Can I get some instie on how and when to tweak these settings and for what to where? I had them left to Auto for over a year and recently fixed to DDR2 REfand I only noticed it moved my DDR ref from 1.152 to 1.130. at some settings it would also auto to 1.20. Where do I want this to be concidering my types of high FSB OC and 5:6 divider?

Also, I have moved to the OCZ FLEX EX PC2-9600 and it the mobo appears to need some more tweaking to keep it stable at 1200MHz/2.256v in 5:6 at 500FSB. outside of lowering the trfc to 55, what can I do about the rest of the sub timings or learn more about them? Most notably, the secondary settings if any benifit is gained. My Primary settings are 6-6-6-3-55-6-3 Auto was 6-6-6-3-46-6-3.

[Nuckin_Futs]

New BETA bios 0802 with CPU/NB SKEW DELAYS courtesy of A-Grey: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/525714/RAMPAGE-ASUS-Formula-0802.zip
Can you please feedback on some of the tested workings of the RF hack and what is the latest non beta? Can we get directly from site or is it actually hacked spacifically for the MF or P5e respectively?

At anybody else;
What about the INF drivers? I'm currently on chipset INF v9.0.0.1008 since 06-02-08 (Intel general 4 & 3 series). I have an Intel server still on x38 and it has an updated driver above what I can find for the general 4 & 3 series on their site, yet for my Intel x38 mobo, it offers v9.1.0.1012 posted 01-06-09 for use w/ the Intel DX48BT2. I have the X38, DDR2 version of this.

Any ideas

[Grnfinger]

DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :

Can I get some instie on how and when to tweak these settings and for what to where? I had them left to Auto for over a year and recently fixed to DDR2 REfand I only noticed it moved my DDR ref from 1.152 to 1.130. at some settings it would also auto to 1.20. Where do I want this to be concidering my types of high FSB OC and 5:6 divider?

Also, I have moved to the OCZ FLEX EX PC2-9600 and it the mobo appears to need some more tweaking to keep it stable at 1200MHz/2.256v in 5:6 at 500FSB. outside of lowering the trfc to 55, what can I do about the rest of the sub timings or learn more about them? Most notably, the secondary settings if any benifit is gained. My Primary settings are 6-6-6-3-55-6-3 Auto was 6-6-6-3-46-6-3.

You first question is over my head, maybe ask mikeyakame, he is an engineering student iirc.

Sub timings can be rather dreadfull to tweak and I'm no master of them.
What I do know is this ( get comfy its a long read but well worth your time to read it)

http://download.micron.com/pdf/technotes/ddr2/tn_47_01.pdf

If your having ram stability issues try setting tref at 65 and setting dram clock skew to advanced 100ps.

The new Rampage bios offers NB and CPU Clock Skew's. There very helpfull in getting high FSB stable and the NB clock skew will help with 8GB's for those suffering stability issues.

[Nuckin_Futs]

The new Rampage bios offers NB and CPU Clock Skew's. There very helpfull in getting high FSB stable and the NB clock skew will help with 8GB's for those suffering stability issues.
Way thanx on the fast reply, I will read through the guide later tonight.

As for the Rampage BIOS, I am just trying to find out how stable it is for real world daily use such as in full ACPI function like at least S3 & S4 (sleep & Hibenate). I cant seem to get anybody to answer this in over a year plus of hacking. If that will not function, I will hand this down and just get the real rampage since it's well half the cost of this when new.

Thankx again.

[loften]

chew is that 3dmark06 score with 1 hd4870?

[chew*]

chew is that 3dmark06 score with 1 hd4870?

yah ;) note I had CCC open and there is no XFire tab.

[viccan]

Whats your NB temps when your running Prime?

Please fill this in


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
FSB Frequency :
FSB Strap to North Bridge :
PCI-E Frequency:
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-
DRAM Command Rate :
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency :
RAS# to CAS# Delay :
RAS# Precharge :
RAS# ActivateTime :
RAS# to RAS# Delay :
Row Refresh Cycle Time :
Write Recovery Time :
Read to Precharge Time :

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :
Write to Read Delay (S) :
Write to Read Delay (D) :
Read to Read Delay (S) :
Read to Read Delay (D) :
Write to Write Delay (S) :
Write to Write Delay (D) :
DRAM Static Read Control:
Ai Clock Twister :
Transaction Booster :

CPU Voltage :
CPU PLL Voltage :
North Bridge Voltage :
DRAM Voltage :
FSB Termination Voltage :
South Bridge Voltage :
Loadline Calibration :
CPU GTL Reference :
North Bridge GTL Reference :
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :
SB 1.5V Voltage :

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

Grn, Thanks for continued support, I Called ASUS this afternoon and went over my settings and temps w/ some tech guy in any case he issued me an RMA and is going to replace the Board :) was pretty painless but with all the issues I've been having and the fact that it was happening at stock settings with 2 different types of memory and even my old Q6600 installed it pretty much narrowed it down I guess :) In any case Ive got my old gigabyte board installed and running @4ghz stable for 24 hours so guess the board was bad :( Should have my new board w/in a couple weeks hopefully. I'll keep ya posted on the results who knows maybe they'll send me an upgraded board (wishful thinking but hey ya never know :)

viccan:up:

[pphx459]

I would concur with grn as well ;) ALL AIR RESULTS.
You apparently just aren't using the right settings yet for your chip.


Sorry, was referring to the q9650, I was able to get my q6600 over 4 as well. Nice results there!:clap:

[loften]

nice chew.. i overlooked the ccc tab,, i was looking for a gpuz. that is a sweet score for 1 card.. i just finally got my 2 hd3870's to run and not get vpu recovery errors after a year of them dang errors.. they get about 750-800 less then that score with both of them on the stuff i have in my sig with stock card clocks... i may have to look into a upgrade on the video side of things now that i got them to work.. first i am going to try to play with their clocks a little so see if i can get them to 20 or 21k..

[chew*]

grn, better get that 4870x2 under water soon, I'm coming after it :D

http://members.cox.net/chewxs/4850.jpg

I always find the deals and hard to find hardware ;)

http://members.cox.net/chewxs/48501.jpg

[Grnfinger]

grn, better get that 4870x2 under water soon, I'm coming after it :D


I always find the deals and hard to find hardware ;)



Geebus thats a nice price:shocked:

Still waiting for stock...no stock soon and I'll order one from USA

[Jodiuh]

Wow? Those stores are still open, I suppose I better get down there.

[Zucker2k]

grn, better get that 4870x2 under water soon, I'm coming after it :DChew, Grn, you want a piece of me? :D Look in my sig. :yepp: Broke 27k with my x2 flashed to the Asus Top bios @ 832/1000.

[devilhood]

I would stay away from Crucials and this board, I've had about 3 pairs of the ballistix 8500's and they never worked correctly on this board. After switching to G.skill have not had a single issue for almost over a year.

I can confirm the same also... Crucial gave me some really bad experiences with this board.

G.Skill = the good stuff :yepp:

[mikeyakame]

DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :

Can I get some instie on how and when to tweak these settings and for what to where? I had them left to Auto for over a year and recently fixed to DDR2 REfand I only noticed it moved my DDR ref from 1.152 to 1.130. at some settings it would also auto to 1.20. Where do I want this to be concidering my types of high FSB OC and 5:6 divider?

Also, I have moved to the OCZ FLEX EX PC2-9600 and it the mobo appears to need some more tweaking to keep it stable at 1200MHz/2.256v in 5:6 at 500FSB. outside of lowering the trfc to 55, what can I do about the rest of the sub timings or learn more about them? Most notably, the secondary settings if any benifit is gained. My Primary settings are 6-6-6-3-55-6-3 Auto was 6-6-6-3-46-6-3.

DRAM reference voltages are only really useful above 1250mhz or if you are running 2.35V+ :D

DRAM CTL Ref works best with negative values, I use -20mV or -30mV in extreme cases, it helps to manage clock jitter at high Vdimm.

DRAM CHA/CHB Ref no matter what I set them to give inconsistent results period. I leave them on Auto, thats the only way they work correctly. Every bios I've used has been the same, they just work correctly on Auto and thats it.

your timings should be.

5-5-5-15-3-55-6-4 8-3-5-4-6-4-6 14-5-1-6-6

secondaries can be changed to 9-4-5-4-6-4-6 if stability is an issue. If you change tRTW to 9, lower tWR by 1 since both those timings are write recovery turnarounds.

Secondary timings are for consecutive bursts thats why there is very little to gain on 2GB sticks, there are too many banks which means longer Refresh Cycle turnarounds, longer Write Recovery turnarounds, etc for same rank if the burst (read followed by write, write followed by write, read followed by read, write followed by read, write followed by precharge, read followed by precharge, and so on) requires access to data from more than 4 banks in same rank. tFAW (four-bank activation window) is the timing responsible for this, and it is not adjustable.

Try that as a starting point for 1200mhz.
The most gains from secondary come from changing tRTW (8) lower if you can get it to run error free that is. You can always compensate by doing, tRTW = 7, tWR=7 you will gain a little bandwidth that way.

You'll find 2GB sticks don't have much room for adjustment on secondary and tertiary timings, they work best near default. 1GB sticks respond much better with tight secondary/tertiary timings.

[chew*]

Chew, Grn, you want a piece of me? :D Look in my sig. :yepp: Broke 27k with my x2 flashed to the Asus Top bios @ 832/1000.

I'll give ya a go, probably going for a DI run this weekend, May need LN2 to top ya though. I might have to dig deep in to my pocket of tricks to catch you on DI. FYI they do 700/1200 maxxed out ccc already.21,7K @4.0g not optimixed no tweaks, air :D

[Zucker2k]

I'll give ya a go, probably going for a DI run this weekend, May need LN2 to top ya though. I might have to dig deep in to my pocket of tricks to catch you on DI. FYI they do 700/1200 maxxed out ccc already.21,7K @4.0g not optimixed no tweaks, air :DTo be fair, you'll have to show some of those tweaks :) You already have an advantage by going extreme cooling. I'm only on water. :p:

[Grnfinger]

Chew, Grn, you want a piece of me? :D Look in my sig. :yepp: Broke 27k with my x2 flashed to the Asus Top bios @ 832/1000.

I can do 24500 with NO oc on the gpu, cant overclock the GPU yet cause of the lack of proper cooling.
Its -30c here today so I have extreme cooling if I open the window :rofl:
Theres a single 4870 at work that might migrate to my house for a little tri fire run. Getting pissed about the lack of proper cooling.
My new case, cpu block and rads are here, just need the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing gpu block to get things up and going. Want to start my i7 build shortly if the tax man is not to hard on me.

[chew*]

To be fair, you'll have to show some of those tweaks :) You already have an advantage by going extreme cooling. I'm only on water. :p:

Allrighty anything goes :D I may need to harness the power of hybrid with my 4870 and 1 4850 ;)

[loften]

after playing with the e8500 at 420x9.5 for a few days i wanted to see if it would do anything.. posted windows at 465x9.5 cpu 1.26/1.23 real and fsbt 1.30/1.22 real.. it wouldn't go untill i upped those volts a little from the 4.0 settings but only a little and it posted windows no problem.. since the air cooling i have is pretty much maxed out at 4.0 and the and idle temps went up from 38 to 41 degrees i shut it back down and went back to 420x9.5 untill i get water cooling for it.. once i do i think it will be on like donkey kong..

[JLK03F150]

I could use a little advice on pushing this farther. It's having some stability problems at 4.2GHz. It can run small ffts for a while, but blend fails in less than 5 minutes. Safe to assume I got something wrong with the ram or mobo settings. Hopefully someone can spot something I am missing.
E8600 E0 @ 1.262v, apogee block, 100% load temps ~42-47C
Maximus Formula SE 1207 bios
G.Skill PC2-6400 HZ (D9GMH) 4-4-4-12 @ 2.0v Worked great on my old Abit AW9D at 420-430MHz.
Seasonic S12-650W
2x HD3870
120GB sata 3.0 HDD, CD-RW, DVD-ROM


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 10
FSB Frequency : 421
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 842
DRAM Command Rate : T2
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 40
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: A
Ai Clock Twister : A
Transaction Booster : A

CPU Voltage : 1.2620
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.31
DRAM Voltage : 2.00
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.075
Loadline Calibration : E
CPU GTL Reference : A
North Bridge GTL Reference : A
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : A
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : A
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : A
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Enabled

[loften]

i would disable loadline calibration set the cpu volts at auto and fsbt volts at auto nb volts at auto and restart go right back into bios then see what they say.. work from there.. keep cpu and fsbt volts closer together.. 1.40 fsbt is quite a bit at that clock especially with the cpu volts being that much lower... i would say right from the get go that the nb volts need to be 1.47-1.51.. to get anything above stock speeds stable. my guess is that you should be able to hit that clock with both cpu and fsbt closer to 1.26-1.28 cpu and 1.28-1.30 fsbt. another thing is my 2x2 corsair 4,4,4,12 6400 gave me errors at anything above their rated speed but they liked the looser timings on this board on the 400 strap 5,5,5,18, tested them at 1066-1081-1119 speed with the recomended volts and dram static read enabled, ai clock strong, transaction booster disabled (0) performance level 7.. passed hours of tests at those settings but would fail at 4,4,4,12 at right around rated speeds even going up or down on their recomended volts a little. (EDIT) here are my settings for mine at 9.5x420 100% stable on air with loadline disabled.. vcore 1.26875-1.232 real.. cpu pll 1.50-1.623 real.. north bridge 1.51-1.552 real.. fsbt 1.30-1.232 real.. south bridge 1.050-1.088 real... dram 2.08-2.208 real,, 4x1 crucial ballistix double sided in it now 5-5-5-18-3-50-6-3-8-3-5-4-6-4-6 @ 1119 on the 400 strap.. again dram static read enabled, ai clock strong, transaction booster disabled (0) performance level 7

[JLK03F150]

I had been stable at 4.1 with slightly lower vNB & vcore. I raised the vNB to 1.41v, lowered FSBt to 1.28v & it seems better.

Trying 4.3ghz (10x431) w/ 1.28vcore, 1.30v FSBt, 1.45vNB.

[Kiwi76]

loften, I'm not understanding everything you say.

My Northbridge is perfectly stable at ~1.4V (1.39V set in BIOS), with a dual core and two sticks of RAM. Since his 2GB has less address space for the MCH to handle than my 4GB, there's no way he needs at least 1.47-1.51V for stability. This is using a 400MHz strap, but I think a 333MHz strap works fine too. My RAM isn't so good, so I use a 400MHz strap and lighter timings and performance levels for that stuff.

Also, my E8600 is running on a Maximus Formula at 4.5GHz with the FSB Termination at only .05V above the Intel recommendation of 1.15V. It's set to 1.3V, which results in ~1.2V. It does 4.0GHz at stock FSB termination. It may even do 4.5GHz at stock FSB Termination. I don't know. I haven't tried it.

I was under the assumption that FSB termination and CPU PLL is really only important for quad cores, at least not on dual cores until really high FSB speeds.

I do have Loadline Calibration enabled. It lets me get away with less voltage at idle, and voltages seem to stay the same under load and at idle (it'll go up from 1.376V to 1.384V every here and there, but it stays under 1.4V I have set in BIOS for it never to go over).

Am I missing something? I don't understand the every detail of every setting, but my values are way lower than you're suggesting, and it works.

[loften]

i am new to the 45 nm so maybe i shouldn't be giving any advise especially if it may be wrong... you guys got it good with your boards to run such low volts on your nb... mine won't on either sets of ram i have, 4x1 or 2x2. i will say with loadline enabled i can get away with lower volts on both cpu and fsbt. right about where yours is. v droop, i read a couple articles about loadline enabled on 45nm causing issues not under load at idle or coming down from load.. i do know his fsbt was way up there more then normal for a 45 nm.. with loadline disabled my real volts are only a little higher then they were set before with it enabeled even though they are set a little higher in the bios settings now there is only a little difference between the way they are @ real volts. my temps didn't change and i feel much safer especially reading about loadline being enabled may cause problems with 45nm..

[Grnfinger]

loften, I'm not understanding everything you say.

My Northbridge is perfectly stable at ~1.4V (1.39V set in BIOS), with a dual core and two sticks of RAM. Since his 2GB has less address space for the MCH to handle than my 4GB, there's no way he needs at least 1.47-1.51V for stability. This is using a 400MHz strap, but I think a 333MHz strap works fine too. My RAM isn't so good, so I use a 400MHz strap and lighter timings and performance levels for that stuff.

Also, my E8600 is running on a Maximus Formula at 4.5GHz with the FSB Termination at only .05V above the Intel recommendation of 1.15V. It's set to 1.3V, which results in ~1.2V. It does 4.0GHz at stock FSB termination. It may even do 4.5GHz at stock FSB Termination. I don't know. I haven't tried it.

I was under the assumption that FSB termination and CPU PLL is really only important for quad cores, at least not on dual cores until really high FSB speeds.

I do have Loadline Calibration enabled. It lets me get away with less voltage at idle, and voltages seem to stay the same under load and at idle (it'll go up from 1.376V to 1.384V every here and there, but it stays under 1.4V I have set in BIOS for it never to go over).

Am I missing something? I don't understand the every detail of every setting, but my values are way lower than you're suggesting, and it works.

Different straps, PL level and trans booster will effect the MCH and how much volts it will require for stability.
Alot of ppl here will tell you high NB volts, but its is not required for some boards, mine only needed 1.45 for 489FSB 333 strap PL7 with ram running 1175MHz.
Alot of guys will over volt the hell out of everyting and call it a day, I preferr to find the lowest stable setting.

[JLK03F150]

Trying 4.3ghz (10x431) w/ 1.28vcore, 1.30v FSBt, 1.45vNB.

Sadly, that wasn't stable. I'll get back to testing this weekend though.

[ShawnTRD]

Hows the new BETA BIOS 0802???

[chew*]

No clue haven't tried it but if its like most of the newer bios its not for me.

I barely have time to play with this rig anymore.

[neo_rtr]

I have managed to flash my Maximus to Rampage 0802. I am using a QX6700 and the 1st thing i notice is that i can run at much lower voltages.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=508970


http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/508970.png

http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/508970.png (http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=508970)

If any one can tell me how to get to 3.8Ghz i will be extremly happy..
I have tried lots of things with out luck.

[.OCX]

Continued crashing ? Not sure why?? I tried upping the voltage dropping the voltage same w/ NB/SB/ RAM even everything set to auto continued to be a problem!
Went back to Old Gigabyte GA-X-38-DQ6 motherboard it has been running Prime95 stable 14hrs+ as I have obtained 3.8 only thing that bothers me about this board is its vcore jumps around under cpuz even with loadline cal enabled?? I have no idea why yet the asus board was rock solid voltage no matter where I set it? I might invest in a DFI board soon if this gives me any probs? Thus far it seems stable as a pyramid @ 3.8ghz ran 4 ghz for about an hour but couldn't find stable setting so dropped to 3.8 and hey Im ok with that for now, though DFI might be the answer?? Not sure why the asus max formula kept freezing real shame as I like the board and it bios immensely :(

viccan

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/Intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3184&p=6

Loadline Calibration may be crippling your stability.


Imagine our confusion as we desperately struggle to understand why our system is Prime95 stable for days yet continues to crash under absolutely no load.

I have a QX9650 arriving from newegg tomorrow so I'll have more too contribute on Maximus Formula + QX9650 findings in a couple of days.

[Zucker2k]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/Intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3184&p=6

Loadline Calibration may be crippling your stability.



I have a QX9650 arriving from newegg tomorrow so I'll have more too contribute on Maximus Formula + QX9650 findings in a couple of days.Please tell me newegg sent you that chip for free. If not, send it back and get a Q9650. You can use the balance for a whole host of other components, including a Rampage Formula x48. Just a friendly advice. :up:

[.OCX]

Please tell me newegg sent you that chip for free. If not, send it back and get a Q9650. You can use the balance for a whole host of other components, including a Rampage Formula x48. Just a friendly advice. :up:

It's a Q9650 lol sorry about the $700 dollar typo, I even had to double check my order. :)

[MUYA]

It's a Q9650 lol sorry about the $700 dollar typo, I even had to double check my order. :)

Please do keep us informed when you get your Q9650.

I recently got one and with the mobo on 1302 bios (not rampage modded) I can't get anything stable over 3.6 GHz in windows. The CPU is watercooled with D-tek fuzion and MCR-220 rad. TH north bridge is also indcluded in the loop.

Also, on any cpu temp monitoring tool, I get core 1 that is higher than all the other cores. Is this normal? I even took the block off and re-clean, re seated, re-pasted AS5 and re installed the block on but still getting on core higher. Happens idling or loaded

For e.g. it would be like ;
core 1 = 42 Deg C
core 2 = 35 Deg C
core 3 = 37 Deg C
core 4 = 35 Deg C

[Grnfinger]

Please do keep us informed when you get your Q9650.

I recently got one and with the mobo on 1302 bios (not rampage modded) I can't get anything stable over 3.6 GHz in windows. The CPU is watercooled with D-tek fuzion and MCR-220 rad. TH north bridge is also indcluded in the loop.

Also, on any cpu temp monitoring tool, I get core 1 that is higher than all the other cores. Is this normal? I even took the block off and re-clean, re seated, re-pasted AS5 and re installed the block on but still getting on core higher. Happens idling or loaded

For e.g. it would be like ;
core 1 = 42 Deg C
core 2 = 35 Deg C
core 3 = 37 Deg C
core 4 = 35 Deg C

X38 chipset is 45nm quad limited

[ShawnTRD]

I would try RF 0802 BIOS


Please do keep us informed when you get your Q9650.

I recently got one and with the mobo on 1302 bios (not rampage modded) I can't get anything stable over 3.6 GHz in windows. The CPU is watercooled with D-tek fuzion and MCR-220 rad. TH north bridge is also indcluded in the loop.

Also, on any cpu temp monitoring tool, I get core 1 that is higher than all the other cores. Is this normal? I even took the block off and re-clean, re seated, re-pasted AS5 and re installed the block on but still getting on core higher. Happens idling or loaded

For e.g. it would be like ;
core 1 = 42 Deg C
core 2 = 35 Deg C
core 3 = 37 Deg C
core 4 = 35 Deg C


X38 chipset is 45nm quad limited

[Zucker2k]

Please do keep us informed when you get your Q9650.

I recently got one and with the mobo on 1302 bios (not rampage modded) I can't get anything stable over 3.6 GHz in windows. The CPU is watercooled with D-tek fuzion and MCR-220 rad. TH north bridge is also indcluded in the loop.

Also, on any cpu temp monitoring tool, I get core 1 that is higher than all the other cores. Is this normal? I even took the block off and re-clean, re seated, re-pasted AS5 and re installed the block on but still getting on core higher. Happens idling or loaded

For e.g. it would be like ;
core 1 = 42 Deg C
core 2 = 35 Deg C
core 3 = 37 Deg C
core 4 = 35 Deg CGet the 0802 RF pre beta bios. Set CPU skew to Delay 100ps, NB Skew to Normal. You should break through that wall. Of course, other settings are important too but 400 FSB is too low for that board and chip.

Edit: ShawnTRD beat me to it.

[MUYA]

Does the 802 Bios support 45nm CPUs? I have the Max Formula SE mobo only

[mr-rob]

->Muya: Bios 802 is a Rampage Formula bios... You have to do the Rampage conversion.

BTW, I try this bios & It brings me some odd stuff (USB Disappear, unstable, ...) I'm going back to 701.

[MUYA]

->Muya: Bios 802 is a Rampage Formula bios... You have to do the Rampage conversion.

BTW, I try this bios & It brings me some odd stuff (USB Disappear, unstable, ...) I'm going back to 701.

Thanks for info.

Will give it a shot.

If my mobo tanks..I will get a P5Q-E :p

[mr-rob]

:( Even with the bios 701, I can't have any USB in Vista's session... I had to reinstal Vista & it seems to be ok now.

[MUYA]

Get the 0802 RF pre beta bios. Set CPU skew to Delay 100ps, NB Skew to Normal. You should break through that wall. Of course, other settings are important too but 400 FSB is too low for that board and chip.

Edit: ShawnTRD beat me to it.

Thanks for your and ShawnTRD's input!
Much appreciated!

I am going to flash mod my mobo tonight! :D

[MUYA]

Flash modded to RF.

After hours of trying. Seems my mobo cannot go higher than 425 Mhz on the FSB ie load into Vista and OCCT for a few hours....hit the wall I suppose at this fsb.

The CPU can be booted at 450mhz/440MHz/430MHz...but just cannot load Vista. SO 425Mhz it is, max OC 3825 MHz!

for 3825MHz
Bios Set Everest
vcore = 1.275v 1.27v
PLL = 1.58v 1.6v
FSBT = 1.36v 1.3v
NB = 1.58v 1.55v


I even tried over the top voltage for 450 etc....nada!

[tiesum]

I'm having trouble getting a stable (undervolted) 24/7 setting.

specs:

E8400
4x1GB Crucial Ballistix (micron) PC8500
Maximus Formula SE (Bios: RF 0403)

This settings run Orthos stable. The problem is however that I get a DET DRAM error at coldstart. :(

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FSB Frequency : 389 (x9)
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 975 (4-4-4-12)

CPU Voltage : 1.20625
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.27
DRAM Voltage : 2.14
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.20
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What do you recommend for a stable setting?

[ShawnTRD]

try North Bridge Voltage of 1.4

[Grnfinger]

Agreed up the vNB

[tool_462]

Anyone have a good settings list for a starting point for high FSB DICE benching? I just got a Maximus Formula for my first DICE/phase runs to learn the ropes and not be worried if I fry the board.

I'm looking hopefully for ~560 FSB with an E8500 (or E8400)

Just dont know where to start on this board, my previous boards have had no issues doing that sort of FSB with little tweaking and what I'm finding right now is that it will take more knowledge of the Asus BIOS than I have a full understanding of :lol:

[ShawnTRD]

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3149&p=10
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3149&p=11


Anyone have a good settings list for a starting point for high FSB DICE benching? I just got a Maximus Formula for my first DICE/phase runs to learn the ropes and not be worried if I fry the board.

I'm looking hopefully for ~560 FSB with an E8500 (or E8400)

Just dont know where to start on this board, my previous boards have had no issues doing that sort of FSB with little tweaking and what I'm finding right now is that it will take more knowledge of the Asus BIOS than I have a full understanding of :lol:

[ShawnTRD]

Flash modded to RF.

After hours of trying. Seems my mobo cannot go higher than 425 Mhz on the FSB ie load into Vista and OCCT for a few hours....hit the wall I suppose at this fsb.

What CPU, RAM, Video Card(s), and Power Supply?

Fill it in

Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : ??
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : ??
PCI-E Frequency: 100 - 110
DRAM Frequency: ??
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : ??
RAS# to CAS# Delay : /?
RAS# Precharge : ??
RAS# ActivateTime : ??
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enable
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : 9 (go lower once your stable and happily clocked)

CPU Voltage :
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5v
North Bridge Voltage :
DRAM Voltage :
FSB Termination Voltage : ??
South Bridge Voltage : 1.5v
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5v

NB LED Selection : FSBT Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU Volt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[Grnfinger]

What CPU, RAM, Video Card(s), and Power Supply?



As I said b4 X38 is 45nm quad FSB limited, so that information is ilrelevant .
If he wants a higher FSB he'll need a new board.
Most 45nm quad hit the wall around 420-430FSB....there are a few rare exceptions but I have not seen many.....

[ShawnTRD]

As I said b4 X38 is 45nm quad FSB limited, so that information is ilrelevant .
If he wants a higher FSB he'll need a new board.
Most 45nm quad hit the wall around 420-430FSB....there are a few rare exceptions but I have not seen many.....

my bad

[Zucker2k]

I bet I can overclock that cpu past that fsb on that board; sorry, I don't want to sound like a smartass or anything, but 425 fsb is too low, even for a quad on that board.

[tool_462]

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3149&p=10
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3149&p=11

Thanks that is a very good write up, we'll see if I can get past 520 FSB here that I'm struggling with a bit after I read up a little. :up:

[tool_462]

Still struggling with FSB over 530 or so, not going to be a good DICE learning board if I can hit higher clocks on water or air on a budget P35 :p:

[Nuckin_Futs]

I had good luck with the ASUS 9800-GT on this mobo a year ago. I want to put it back in service and wanted to get an idea of it is worth getting another 512mb 9800-GT or if an older HD 3870 on GDDR4 would still be be better bang for the buck at todays prices? Is the 4850 much better then both, even on GDDR3? (comparing all at 512mb).

[tiesum]

I'm having trouble getting a stable (undervolted) 24/7 setting.

specs:

E8400
4x1GB Crucial Ballistix (micron) PC8500
Maximus Formula SE (Bios: RF 0403)

This settings run Orthos stable. The problem is however that I get a DET DRAM error at coldstart. :(

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FSB Frequency : 389 (x9)
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 975 (4-4-4-12)

CPU Voltage : 1.20625
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.27
DRAM Voltage : 2.14
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.20
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What do you recommend for a stable setting?

I tried upping the NB Voltage to 1.41. I still get the DET DRAM message and I'm still crawling under my desk in the morning... Any other suggestions?

Thnx!

[ShawnTRD]

I tried upping the NB Voltage to 1.41. I still get the DET DRAM message and I'm still crawling under my desk in the morning... Any other suggestions?

Thnx!

Try using only two of the four 1GB Ram sticks. And relax your "DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 975 (4-4-4-12)" to 5-5-5-15. Also try Prime95 "blend test".

[.OCX]

L829A405
Pack Date: 1/30/2009
Purchased: Newegg on 2/13/2009

Q9650
Currently Testing:

444x9

Temp Loaded:
C1=44c
C2=35c
C3=34c
C4=37c

BIOS 1301
1. Noticed the FSBT(VTT) will default to 2.00v after Hard Reset/Reboot related to Crash/Freeze

2. 442FSB is fine, stable 100%...I move it to 444mhz and the System completely powers off....3 sec delay...and then powers up almost as if I changed dividers...even though all I did was move to 444mhz which pushed the Ram to 1066. Can anyone explain this? After the complete power off, it comes back unstable/freezes in prime/system.



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
CPU Ratio Control : 9
FSB Frequency : 444
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 1067
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay :5
RAS# Precharge :5
RAS# ActivateTime :15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : A
Row Refresh Cycle Time : A
Write Recovery Time : A
Read to Precharge Time : A

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : A
Write to Read Delay (S) : A
Write to Read Delay (D) : A
Read to Read Delay (S) : A
Read to Read Delay (D) : A
Write to Write Delay (S) :A
Write to Write Delay (D) : A
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : STRONG
Transaction Booster : DISABLED
===Relax Level = 0

CPU Voltage : 1.26875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.61
DRAM Voltage : 2.0
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.32
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control :9
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled


UPDATE: More Testing to be Done....

[MUYA]

Yay I got a further 5 Mhz on the fsb bringing to 430MHz! But I went back to 425MHz on the fsb.

No matter what I try to tweak. It's a no go :) The rampage bios mod has not worked for me it seems.




Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
CPU Ratio Control : 9
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 1020
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: A
CAS# Latency : A
RAS# to CAS# Delay : A
RAS# Precharge : A
RAS# ActivateTime :A
RAS# to RAS# Delay : A
Row Refresh Cycle Time : A
Write Recovery Time : A
Read to Precharge Time : A

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : A
Write to Read Delay (S) : A
Write to Read Delay (D) : A
Read to Read Delay (S) : A
Read to Read Delay (D) : A
Write to Write Delay (S) :A
Write to Write Delay (D) : A
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : STRONG
Transaction Booster : DISABLED
===Relax Level = 0

CPU Voltage : 1.275
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.58
North Bridge Voltage : 1.56
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.36
South Bridge Voltage : 1.1
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.55

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

CPU skew = 100 pps
NB skew = normal
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control :9
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Enabled



BTW I have a 850 W PSU (Antec Quattro), =2 x 2GB OCZ Reaper 1066 ram, 295 GTX btw.

When i go above 430 MHz FSB, even if I set NB to above 1.61v, and fsbt to above 1.4v, CPUPLL to above 1.6...no joy. This is with multiplier at 7, I was trying to ascertain the fsb wall. At fsb above 430mhz, my comp boots but, when it tries to load Vista, it freezes....

[Grnfinger]

You clould try setting

FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : DISABLED
===Relax Level = 1 or 2

PLL 1.60
FSBT 1.40
Set tref (row refresh cycle time) to 60 or 65
And try different GTL's

I could not move the wall with my 9550 so I opted for a Maximus II Formula
Same chip/ram/PSU different board

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/500FSB.jpg

[.OCX]

Why does the System do a Hard power down (pause), then Power back up when I increase the FSB from 442 to 443 in the Bios and Hit F10 Save and Restart?

If I increase from 440 to 442, the system simply restarts, with no Power loss/Power down. Generally, the stability is much better because of the constant power to all the components, caps, etc...

If I increase from 442 to 443 or 444, Hit F10 to restart, the System will completely Shutdown, and then Powers Up similar to what happens if you change the Divider in the Bios and F10 to restart.

4.0ghz is possible with this Gem of a Chip, but I agree about this Board being janky with 45nm Quads, I've seen "Machine Check Exception" BSOD a couple of times, never saw that with the Wolfdale.

What I didn't like were the voltage amounts needed to be stable at 4.0ghz vs. 3.9ghz at substantially lower voltage inputs.

4.0ghz - Damn close to Stable 444x9
Strap 333
CPU Voltage : 1.26875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.61
DRAM Voltage : 2.0
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.32
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

==================================


3.9ghz Rock Solid 433x9
Strap 333
CPU Voltage : 1.2375
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.55
DRAM Voltage : 2.0
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.2
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

[Zucker2k]

It's a balancing act; more fsbt should enable you to drop cpu vcore.

[loften]

have any of you checked out this write up yet? i thought it may be usefull for some here..http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/Intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3184&p=6

[.OCX]

442x9 (http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1604/ss442.jpg)

Increasing FSB to 443 causes the PC to shutdown after the Bios Restart creating a wildly unstable and unpredictable overclocking environment.



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
CPU Ratio Control : 9
FSB Frequency : 442
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 1062
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay :5
RAS# Precharge :5
RAS# ActivateTime :15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : A
Row Refresh Cycle Time : A
Write Recovery Time : A
Read to Precharge Time : A

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : A
Write to Read Delay (S) : A
Write to Read Delay (D) : A
Read to Read Delay (S) : A
Read to Read Delay (D) : A
Write to Write Delay (S) :A
Write to Write Delay (D) : A
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : STRONG
Transaction Booster : DISABLED
===Relax Level = 0

CPU Voltage : 1.26875~~1.256v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5~~1.632v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.57~1.600
DRAM Voltage : 2.0~~2.128
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.26~1.20
South Bridge Voltage : 1.075~1.104
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2REF~~1.056
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.55~~1.616

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control :9
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled

[.OCX]

have any of you checked out this write up yet? i thought it may be usefull for some here..http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/Intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3184&p=6

Yeah thats a tough read, had to put it down a couple of times to keep my head on straight lol. The article was written over 1 year ago early in the 45nm Fab for Extreme/Non Extreme edition CPU's, having since matured that process during that time.

Bottomline: I just bought a MaxII Formula so I'm done with the wall hopping act on this board. Last upgrade before I wait for 32nm fabs to come out to upgrade to i7.;)

[Nuckin_Futs]

EDIT @ 02-23; Why the ignore? I pull over to ansewer questions for the foum.

Can I get a feedback on the various graphics card builders you gamers and or overclockers use and a brief or detailed reason for your choice when using on this ASUS x38 and or X48 mobo?
I'm looking for input on such builders as Sparkle, Apollo, Zotec, Saphire, Galaxy & Palit as far as anything in general.

I am also interested in reasons for choices of the big names like ASUS v/s Gigabyte, nVidia, MSI, LeadTeck XFX, EVGA, BFG and so on.

What brands are best chosen for what GPU chip (ATI or nVidia)? Which are chosen for either best quality v/s performance on a budget?

Thankx for your time.

[Grnfinger]

Yeah thats a tough read, had to put it down a couple of times to keep my head on straight lol. The article was written over 1 year ago early in the 45nm Fab for Extreme/Non Extreme edition CPU's, having since matured that process during that time.

Bottomline: I just bought a MaxII Formula so I'm done with the wall hopping act on this board. Last upgrade before I wait for 32nm fabs to come out to upgrade to i7.;)

:welcome: to the club.
I look forward to seeing you over at the other thread.

[orbiter]

Just ordered my MIIF as well. Got fed up with the cheapo UD3P :) At least now I'll be able to see what my temps are reading again, whilst also looking forward to viewing the inside my case each time I open it :)

Shoots across to see Grn and the gang in the appropriate thread ;)

Orb

[Grnfinger]

EXCELLENT!!!

Another member :up:

[xxDayTrader]

It's a balancing act; more fsbt should enable you to drop cpu vcore.


Ah haaaaa..... That sheds some light on my situation.

Would any of you guys be able to recommend something for me to read where I could read up on things like this. I've pounded through this whole thread in a quest to get my system stable on a 24hr prime run but I either have to crank the hell out of my voltages or settle for a system that is stable for a number of hours but not 24 (this is the route I chose......out of frustration).

Perhaps it's just my cpu and/or motherboard but my money's on user error. ;)

thanks
Mike

[Nuckin_Futs]

After experiencing some issues with a process named aacenter.exe from ASUS AASP folder. I stopped the process and then moved it for testing since I could get no help on what to do about it. Now I have al kinds of issues with ACPI suspend modes especially simple S3/S4 resume. How do we fix or reinstall correct ACPI for this mobo? I see an ATK fix on Windows downloads but it cannot install. In fact it has never installed and keeps saying failed since new VISTA install.

Prior to this, OC was nice and smooth and full ACPI worked in BIOS v1207 be it slow that it was, but it worked.

AmI looking at a new install just to fix? When and if I do, do I leave out the ASUS ProbeII or any other ASUS app that places the AASP folder and aacenter file in system?

[Grnfinger]

After experiencing some issues with a process named aacenter.exe from ASUS AASP folder. I stopped the process and then moved it for testing since I could get no help on what to do about it. Now I have al kinds of issues with ACPI suspend modes especially simple S3/S4 resume. How do we fix or reinstall correct ACPI for this mobo? I see an ATK fix on Windows downloads but it cannot install. In fact it has never installed and keeps saying failed since new VISTA install.

Prior to this, OC was nice and smooth and full ACPI worked in BIOS v1207 be it slow that it was, but it worked.

AmI looking at a new install just to fix? When and if I do, do I leave out the ASUS ProbeII or any other ASUS app that places the AASP folder and aacenter file in system?

aacenter is a dirty thing, this is what I did to resolve the issue, I posted this on page 221

Start > run >type regedit>press crtl +f> type aacenter.
set the value to zero, then delete the file, reboot. AACenter is now removed.

Then install updated NB driver and SB driver, this should resolve any issues.
I did not have to do a clean install after this

[tr8rjohnk]

Hello All:

Been a lurker here forever and a member for almost a year but this is my first post. :) I just wanted to start by saying what a great community, I've learned a lot here.

Well, here's my issue:

Can't seem to post my brand spanking new q9650 at 4ghz (a couple of times I've gotten to right before Windows boots but that's it). With this setup and these settings, I should at least be able to boot into Vista to stability test. I've kept roughly the same settings and have slowly increased the vcore from 1.29375 to 1.34375 (should at least boot at that voltage). CPU VID is: 1.2375. Here are my BIOS settings:


Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : tried both 333 and 400
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 900@400strap & 1069@ 333 strap and 445fsb
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : Disabled (also tried enabled)

CPU Voltage : 1.34375
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.56
North Bridge Voltage : 1.63
DRAM Voltage : 1.9 (board overvolts to 2.04)
FSB Termination Voltage (VTT): 1.36
South Bridge Voltage : 1.10
Loadline Calibration : Disabled (also tried enabled)
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR_REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : Auto

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Enabled
Vanderpool Technology : Enabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled

[Grnfinger]

Hello All:

Been a lurker here forever and a member for almost a year but this is my first post. :) I just wanted to start by saying what a great community, I've learned a lot here.

Well, here's my issue:

Can't seem to post my brand spanking new q9650 at 4ghz (a couple of times I've gotten to right before Windows boots but that's it). With this setup and these settings, I should at least be able to boot into Vista to stability test. I've kept roughly the same settings and have slowly increased the vcore from 1.29375 to 1.34375 (should at least boot at that voltage). CPU VID is: 1.2375. Here are my BIOS settings:


Strange issue you have...

first pull 2 sticks and run 4GBs for the moment

Try the 333 strap runing 1080MHZ ram @ 450x9
Your NB volts are excessively high for that clock, 1.47-1.51should work for 450FSB. Enable Load line it will reduce vdroop and help stabilize the chip.

Disable these....
CPU TM Function :
Vanderpool Technology :

[tr8rjohnk]

Strange issue you have...

first pull 2 sticks and run 4GBs for the moment

Try the 333 strap runing 1080MHZ ram @ 450x9
Your NB volts are excessively high for that clock, 1.47-1.51should work for 450FSB. Enable Load line it will reduce vdroop and help stabilize the chip.

Disable these....
CPU TM Function :
Vanderpool Technology :

Hey Grnfinger:

Thanks for the info. I'll try yanking those two modules and make the suggested changes.

Venderpool technology is kind of necessary since I run vmware quite a bit and I had enabled CPU TM function because I was being so aggressive with the voltages.

If these settings don't work correctly, I'm going to flash to the 802 Beta Rampage Formula BIOS.

Running out to visit dad in the hospital so I'll be playing mad-scientist tonight when I return. :D

[tr8rjohnk]

Before I even get started, thanks to mikeyakame, I have a much better understanding of clock skews and their importance after reading his guide. Also, thanks to ericeod for pointing me in the direction of the read. One more thanks to Grnfinger for his input up until now. Along with the pencil mod, I'm going to try the 333mhz strap at 1080 and bump down the voltage of the nb.

Here's where things stand. I'll start with the BIOS settings and then I'll go into what's going on. (I've flashed to the Rampage Formula, 0802 Beta)

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :9
FSB Frequency :445
FSB Strap to North Bridge :400
PCI-E Frequency:101
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-890
DRAM Command Rate :2N
DRAM CLK Skews all set to AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency :5
RAS# to CAS# Delay :5
RAS# Precharge :5
RAS# ActivateTime :15
RAS# to RAS# Delay :Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time :Auto
Write Recovery Time :Auto
Read to Precharge Time :Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) :Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) :Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) :Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) :Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) :Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) :Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister :Strong
Transaction Booster :Manual
Common Performance Level (10)
CPU Voltage :1.3625
CPU PLL Voltage :1.58
North Bridge Voltage :1.63
DRAM Voltage :1.92
FSB Termination Voltage :1.4
South Bridge Voltage :1.10
Loadline Calibration : Disabled
CPU GTL Reference :0.62x
North Bridge GTL Reference :0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : (DDR2_REF)
SB 1.5V Voltage :1.6
CPU Clock Skew: (Delay 100Ps)
NB Clock Skew: Normal
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Enabled
Vanderpool Technology : Enabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled

I initially tried these exact settings at 450fsb and couldn't get into Windows. When I bumped it down to 445fsb, I booted into the OS successfully (let's hope 450fsb is a fence and not a wall). I expected errors pretty fast since with only 5mhz more I couldn't boot but I wound up running stable under load for 9 1/2 - 10 hours or so. I also ran SuperPi to 1M (its in the screenie, just under 12 seconds), ran Vantage, 3D06 and moved around about 100gb's of data - all without incident. Then I decided to try and image C just for shoots and haha's (good thing I have a clean image already).

This is when I got the hard lock-up. :(

I restarted and this time I got stuck at OS load (I think it was at the scrollbar). I restarted and upped vCore to 1.36875 (mind you how terrible vdroop is on this board, at 1.36250, I reported as low as 1.27 in the OS), still nothing, this time I got stuck at the logo screen. So I upped vCore again to 1.37500, still no boot, stuck at the splash screen.

A couple of things to note:

I've set vcore to 1.3625 in BIOS but it drops to as low as 1.27 in Windows (gotta love the droop on this board - I don't know why I haven't done the pencil mod - this is one of the first things I'm about to do). I had to disable LLC to get any stability, so no help there. Temps are between 51c-60c on max OrthosX2 load with affinity set appropriately. Stable at 100% load for almost 10 hours before the lockup.

NB set to 1.63 in BIOS and reports as 1.68 in Windows (I need a bunch because I'm running 8gb and I'm trying to find a 24/7 for my rig as is but that's a bit much); this also puts it right at 47c (above that temp AFAIK it starts to loose stability). I'm at 1:1 right now so ram is 890mhz and the Transaction Booster level is set at 10.

Vanderpool Technology is Enabled because I virtualize on this rig quite often and CPU TM is Enabled because I'm shooting for as high as possible vcore.

Here's a quick screen. Oh, and feedback is greatly appreciated at this point as I'm a bit confused by a few things. :welcome:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/tr8rjohnk/FirstRun.jpg

[neo_rtr]

Just made this thread. http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showthread.php?p=3688585
Looking to get some answers on a single or dual rad just for the VGA. In case anyone know pls let me know. thanks

[adrenaline7879]

My MF(Rampage) will be back from RMA soon and sold to a friend. After playing with my MFII I can never look back. My Q6600 is running about 5C cooler cause of lower volts all around, and my Q9550 should be in within a week :)

[Grnfinger]

My MF(Rampage) will be back from RMA soon and sold to a friend. After playing with my MFII I can never look back. My Q6600 is running about 5C cooler cause of lower volts all around, and my Q9550 should be in within a week :)

Looking forward to seeing some results with that new chip.

[adrenaline7879]

With that new chip, it's starting to make to itch and get that thing under some water :up: Would be my first time to do anything watercooled :confused:

[Grnfinger]

Ahh watercooling is not so stressfull, its acutally alot of fun once you get a feel for it.
A little common sense and there will be no problems, I just upgraded a few parts so if you want a decent CPU block and a res at reasonable cost I can help you out, I just sold my spare rads and pump but there easily available in the 4sale thread

[shoota]

alright i've searched in here for awhile but didn't find anything. I'm sure my problem is just bios settings related but here goes. Is it normal, when booting, to have to wait for the jmicron controller to detect the IDE hard drives and then have to "press any button to continue" to get into windows? Why do i have to do this every time?

[chew*]

Ahh watercooling is not so stressfull, its acutally alot of fun once you get a feel for it.
A little common sense and there will be no problems, I just upgraded a few parts so if you want a decent CPU block and a res at reasonable cost I can help you out, I just sold my spare rads and pump but there easily available in the 4sale thread

Time for you to migrate to DI :D

I might be selling my MF soon its been fun but...all good things come to an end.

[Zucker2k]

alright i've searched in here for awhile but didn't find anything. I'm sure my problem is just bios settings related but here goes. Is it normal, when booting, to have to wait for the jmicron controller to detect the IDE hard drives and then have to "press any button to continue" to get into windows? Why do i have to do this every time?Do you have anything connected to the jmicron controller? If not, disable it and your problem is solved; otherwise it takes about 2-3 seconds to detect drives connected to it.


Time for you to migrate to DI :D

I might be selling my MF soon its been fun but...all good things come to an end.Chew, you still haven't touched my numbers... :p:

[chew*]

ehh nope not yet but not bad for 2x 4850's, dont worry I'm still working on it.
http://members.cox.net/bostonreefer3/061.JPG

One of my partners touched yah with the same card though with win 7 with a little guidance from me ;)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9723/screenshot033.png