The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[Zucker2k]

help! I'm having random crashes with this settings, sometimes it gives me memory dump error, sometimes it will restart instantly specially when i play games such as GTA IV.

here is my bios setting:

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Setting : 10.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 266Mhz
FSB Frequency : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100

DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1203Mhz
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A: 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B: 300
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information : 5-5-5-18-3-55/60-6-3
2nd Information : All Auto
3rd Information : All Auto
DRAM Static Read Control : Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level : 05
Pull-In of CHA PH1 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 : Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.26875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.41 (only wayto know if this is adequate is to test some related stress apps)
DRAM Voltage : 2.00
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.24
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Disabled This may be the culprit afterall.
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67x You may be able to lower your FSBT as a result of higher GTL. FSBT could also cause the symptoms you're describing, it's all about testing.
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 10.0
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : DisabledHow's the Philippines; did Manny Pacquiao arrive yet? :) Try the highlighted changes. What bios are you using?

[junkun13]

How's the Philippines; did Manny Pacquiao arrive yet? :) Try the highlighted changes. What bios are you using?

he will arrive here wednesday, maybe another motorcade will happen.

thank you for the suggestions, I will try it later :up:

[OVERK|LL]

Anybody else running Linux? I have this bizarre issue with the JMicron controller. I have an open bug report with the kernel devs, but I'm curious as to whether the JMicron BIOS is updated in any of these newer BIOS's? I'm running 308........

[junkun13]

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A: 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B: 300

after i changed my settings to this i got a ntldr error. then changed it back to normal the error is gone but another problem arises..
because of the Loadline Calibration disabled my pc won't get to windows a blue screen appears then restarts so I enabled loadline calibration again.

[Zucker2k]

after i changed my settings to this i got a ntldr error. then changed it back to normal the error is gone but another problem arises..
because of the Loadline Calibration disabled my pc won't get to windows a blue screen appears then restarts so I enabled loadline calibration again.

set it back to 300 A/B
Disable Loadline Calibration
Increase cpu voltage to 1.275v
Set NBV to 1.450v

Goodluck.

[Grnfinger]

So my Maximus X38 arrived today from Asus

I begin the process of removing the heatpipe and fuzion block assembly to replace the TIM...lots of fun

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/DSCF0126-2.jpg http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/DSCF0127-1.jpg

After the slow process of removing the cement like compound, I finally was able to apply some Ceramique to the NB and SB and replace the assembly

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/DSCF0128-1.jpg

Isnt she pretty all dress'd up :D
I installed it all back into the case, routed the cables extra extra nice, even toss'd in 2 new blue led 120mm fans for bling hit the power botton and to my amaze it posted with a BORKED BIOS that will not allow me to boot or hotflash the bios, crash free will not work keeps :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:in about "rom id error".

So I phone Asus and take a royal crap all over the girl who answerd the phone, got transfferd to level 3 tech support ( ooo I am impressed now) After he quoted his big book of bs we are now at the 3rd RMA. Sending this board in to the California facility ( maybe this will help ) , my wife has been without her rig since August and has been using my lappy, think I will suck this loss up and go buy a UD3P tomorrow.

I have had it, maybe I should buy a Dell :rofl::ROTF::rofl:

[Zucker2k]

Isnt she pretty all dress'd up :D
I installed it all back into the case, routed the cables extra extra nice, even toss'd in 2 new blue led 120mm fans for bling hit the power botton and to my amaze it posted with a BORKED BIOS that will not allow me to boot or hotflash the bios, crash free will not work keeps :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:in about "rom id error".

So I phone Asus and take a royal crap all over the girl who answerd the phone, got transfferd to level 3 tech support ( ooo I am impressed now) After he quoted his big book of bs we are now at the 3rd RMA. Sending this board in to the California facility ( maybe this will help ) , my wife has been without her rig since August and has been using my lappy, think I will suck this loss up and go buy a UD3P tomorrow.

I have had it, maybe I should buy a Dell :rofl::ROTF::rofl::down: I'd be royally pissed; you deserve an upgrade to RF for all the troubles you've been through.

Edit: "Rom id error" sounds like the wrong bios was flashed to the bios. Did they ship you someone's board from a borked rom flashing? Man, Asus tech support is getting hilarious lately.

[Grnfinger]

:down: I'd be royally pissed; you deserve an upgrade to RF for all the troubles you've been through.

Edit: "Rom id error" sounds like the wrong bios was flashed to the bios. Did they ship you someone's board from a borked rom flashing? Man, Asus tech support is getting hilarious lately.

Dunno about the bios but man I'm very upset.
I'm going to press the issue about an upgrade, I doubt if it will happen but you have to try.
To make matters worse, there appears to be dilectric grease around the cpu socket:shocked:
Plus if you noticed I sent a SE they shipped back a rev 1.03g NON SE and slapped the fuzion block on it.:shakes:

[Zucker2k]

Dunno about the bios but man I'm very upset.
I'm going to press the issue about an upgrade, I doubt if it will happen but you have to try.
To make matters worse, there appears to be dilectric grease around the cpu socket:shocked:
Plus if you noticed I sent a SE they shipped back a rev 1.03g NON SE and slapped the fuzion block on it.:shakes:Looks like you a strong case for an upgrade. Keep pushing till you either talk to the boss or someone caves :)

[MJR]

Zucker2k, care to share your bios settings for that OC? also, how much difference do you think 0308 vs and newer bios makes?

I'm starting to think you either have the midas touch or a golden board. ;)

[Zucker2k]

Zucker2k, care to share your bios settings for that OC? also, how much difference do you think 0308 vs and newer bios makes?

I'm starting to think you either have the midas touch or a golden board. ;)I wish! :) I just prefer 0308 for that extra bandwidth, however little. As far as newer bioses, you know what they say; unless you have a justifiable reason to upgrade, don't. I have tried all newer bioses just for the heck of it, but I always revert to 0308.

Here are the settings:

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Setting : 8.5
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333MHZ
FSB Frequency : 471
PCI-E Frequency: 101

DRAM Frequency: DDR2-942
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A: 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B: 300
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information : 4-4-3-12-1-40-4-2
2nd Information : 7-2-4-4-6-4-6
3rd Information : 11-4-1-4-4
DRAM Static Read Control : Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level : 07
Pull-In of CHA PH1 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 : Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.3875v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.500v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.350v
DRAM Voltage : 2.160v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.24v
South Bridge Voltage : 1.100v
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.600v
Loadline Calibration : Disabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : +20mv These three, I have on for now, they're probably not impacting my OC much, if any at all. Still experimenting.
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : +20mv
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : +20mv

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

I'll recommend you start all over from stock, as your cpu might behave differently to mine. Still worth a try. Goodluck.

[MJR]

I'll recommend you start all over from stock, as your cpu might behave differently to mine. Still worth a try. Goodluck.

Yeah, I just don't know where to start. Once I get my NB block on I'll start over on 0308, but I'm not sure what to try with the CPU. On the MF bios, it read 1.1125 VID now with the RF bios it's reading 1.2125 VID.

So if I start from scratch, how should I pick my voltages? I usually go auto at stock, and then hard set whatever voltages that gives me. Any better ways to go about it?

[Zucker2k]

Yeah, I just don't know where to start. Once I get my NB block on I'll start over on 0308, but I'm not sure what to try with the CPU. On the MF bios, it read 1.1125 VID now with the RF bios it's reading 1.2125 VID.

So if I start from scratch, how should I pick my voltages? I usually go auto at stock, and then hard set whatever voltages that gives me. Any better ways to go about it?I envy that chip of yours, it should be a good clocker. The best way to quickly find out the limits is to overclock in isolation; try to eiminate NB, VTT, RAM from the equation by being a little bit generous/loose with those, then set the lowest vcore for the cpu and see how far it'll go before before you need to add more voltages. Once you determine clock/vcore ratio, you can start with the ram, and with a combination of all the essential voltages start stabilizing. With my board, from stock clock/multi to 4.1Ghz is good on the 0.67x cpu gtl and low vtt as you can see from the screenshots. After 4.1Ghz, 483 FSB, I have to drop cpu gtl to 0.63x and bump fsbt all the way to 1.56-1.58v to be stable.

[MJR]

will do. My NB block is on the way so as soon as I get time, it's on. Thanks for the tips!

[junkun13]

with this settings:

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A: 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B: 300

I'm getting a boot screen but it doesn't load windows..

[Zucker2k]

with this settings:

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A: 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B: 300

I'm getting a boot screen but it doesn't load windows..If it boots okay when you revert to auto, then stick with that. It may be ram/nb latencies are too hard on your ram seeing that your running PL5 @ fsb 400/1200mhz.

[youraa]

I wish! :) I just prefer 0308 for that extra bandwidth, however little. As far as newer bioses, you know what they say; unless you have a justifiable reason to upgrade, don't. I have tried all newer bioses just for the heck of it, but I always revert to 0308.

Here are the settings:

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Setting : 8.5
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333MHZ
FSB Frequency : 471
PCI-E Frequency: 101

DRAM Frequency: DDR2-942
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A: 300
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B: 300
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st Information : 4-4-3-12-1-40-4-2
2nd Information : 7-2-4-4-6-4-6
3rd Information : 11-4-1-4-4
DRAM Static Read Control : Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level : 07
Pull-In of CHA PH1 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 : Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 : Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.3875v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.500v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.350v
DRAM Voltage : 2.160v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.24v
South Bridge Voltage : 1.100v
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.600v
Loadline Calibration : Disabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : +20mv These three, I have on for now, they're probably not impacting my OC much, if any at all. Still experimenting.
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : +20mv
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : +20mv

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8.5
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

I'll recommend you start all over from stock, as your cpu might behave differently to mine. Still worth a try. Goodluck.

Hi there you got those settings working on AM x38 with rampage bios? If yes on what Ram and wh is the stepping of your chip? I wonder how far I could go with mine

[Zucker2k]

Hi there you got those settings working on AM x38 with rampage bios? If yes on what Ram and wh is the stepping of your chip? I wonder how far I could go with minePM replied.

[youraa]

Has anyone tested the Rampage Formula 701 Bios? Is it a beta? I mean is it safe to try it or I might have problems with going back to maximus formula bios or any other?

[MJR]

I'm tempted to try it, but I want to get my NB under water first and prolly try 0308 first. IDK

[youraa]

http://cid-988b91f35a949678.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/rampage-asus-formula-0701.rom


while trying to load the 0701 rom file from usb I get the message:

error-ubale to open th ROM file

:(

did't try with other roms though :) this is the one I'm interested in :) hopes for more than 430 on this board

[youraa]

I'm tempted to try it, but I want to get my NB under water first and prolly try 0308 first. IDK

Will try 0308 then :) but will do it on friday most propably today it's too late :)))

[Grnfinger]

701 is supposed to resolve the GTL issue for 45nm quads that creates the FSB wall.
308 has a better tref value for higher bandwidth but you lose ram compatibility running 308.
I would suggest trying 701 if you want to break the 430FSB barrier

[MJR]

can you verify a good source for the 0701 bios? I'll load it up tonight.

[youraa]

701 is supposed to resolve the GTL issue for 45nm quads that creates the FSB wall.
308 has a better tref value for higher bandwidth but you lose ram compatibility running 308.
I would suggest trying 701 if you want to break the 430FSB barrier

Ok thx, but as I mentioned above the file is not working for me, maybe I will try it with a different pendrive, will try that tomorrow.
I also found some info on a japanese site, that's it about to be published, and it can be found on the asus ftp, dunno if it's true though.

[youraa]

can you verify a good source for the 0701 bios? I'll load it up tonight.

I found the bios in a different location:

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Rampage_Formula/

:)) hope it will work :)

hmmm that's interesting I also found a new maximus bios 1302, I think it's a beta not sure though:
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Maximus_Formula/


RELEASE THE FSB :)))) give us the power ;)))

[Zucker2k]

I found the bios in a different location:

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Rampage_Formula/

:)) hope it will work :)

hmmm that's interesting I also found a new maximus bios 1302, I think it's a beta not sure though:
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Maximus_Formula/


RELEASE THE FSB :)))) give us the power ;)))Good find, I don't know if your syntax for flashing is wrong though :shrug: Try these steps:

1. Rename the file to 0701.ROM (If the filename is too long, you won't be able to see all the characters in DOS, because of the 8 character limit.
2. Once you boot into DOS, type:

Afu236u /i0701.ROM /N /PBNC

3. Wait till the process completes, and you're prompted to reboot.

[youraa]

Good find, I don't know if your syntax for flashing is wrong though :shrug: Try these steps:

1. Rename the file to 0701.ROM (If the filename is too long, you won't be able to see all the characters in DOS, because of the 8 character limit.
2. Once you boot into DOS, type:

Afu236u /i0701.ROM /N /PBNC

3. Wait till the process completes, and you're prompted to reboot.

I also found this way of the command, with the .exe extention:

will try both
thx :))

[Zucker2k]

I also found this way of the command, with the .exe extention:

will try both
thx :))Yeah, either would work:

Afu236u.exe /i0701.ROM /N /PBNC

[KALISPIMENTA]

What about the bios directly from intel?
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2807&OSFullName=Windows+Vista*+64&lang=eng&strOSs=150&submit=Go!#BIO

[MJR]

What about the bios directly from intel?
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2807&OSFullName=Windows+Vista*+64&lang=eng&strOSs=150&submit=Go!#BIO

That's a different board.

[KALISPIMENTA]

I see...

[Grnfinger]

Has anyone botherd to test the Maximus/Q9550 wall with new Rampage bios?
I was wondering if they actually fixed it.
new bios and no one will comment on it:shakes:

[KALISPIMENTA]

i know i keep hitting F5,lol

[Sources]

Any thoughts on what would cause my USB mouse and Keyboard to lose power occasionally? They are both plugged into the back ports of the Mobo, port 2 and 3. They power off for 1 second then repower on. almost like a reset or something, but nothing else is affected at all.

Also guys I just flash the new 0701 and thought I had my settings backed up for bios... im a newb.. please someone with a Q6600 G0 and ballistix tracers PC8500 post their bios for me plz plz.

NVM. I seemed to remember them in my head once I started going through it all. I just started to panic while the bios was flashing. So far stable on 20 mins prime

[MJR]

I'm on 0701 as well now. I have a NB block coming tomorow so I plan to start this OC from scratch, w/ a properly cooled nb and see if I can keep my volts down. I'll post results as I have them.

Any suggestions guys? I'm just going to take this one slow like Zucker2k said and pay attention to what my board does as I move along. Right now I'm at stock with:
1.18 fsb vtt
1.34 nb vcore
1.18 cpu vcore

I plan to see how far these volts will take me and just go from there.

[MJR]

well. 0701 looks to be a bit better on the voltages for now. I haven't testes for stability yet, but I managed to boot at:

430fsb
1.18vcore
1.5nb core
1.33 fsb term
PL8

With 0601, I wasn't able to boot these settings. I'll keep testing and see how high I can get the fsb with these settings if they prove to be stable.

[KALISPIMENTA]

Can someone redirect me to the flash utility that i can use in vista 64?
Thank You

[MJR]

Can someone redirect me to the flash utility that i can use in vista 64?
Thank You

The one in post #1 of this thread works fine for me.

[youraa]

well. 0701 looks to be a bit better on the voltages for now. I haven't testes for stability yet, but I managed to boot at:

430fsb
1.18vcore
1.5nb core
1.33 fsb term
PL8

With 0601, I wasn't able to boot these settings. I'll keep testing and see how high I can get the fsb with these settings if they prove to be stable.

I will test it tonight :) How about the fsb limitation, did you manage to go past 430fsb???

[MJR]

Right now I'm priming at 430 fsb, but although it seems to take a little less voltage, I don't think it's behaving all that much different than 0601. I tried to do a quick 450 and no luck. I'll put on my NB block and see how much NB stability plays a factor, but the same fsb walls seem to be in place. Next stop if this doesn't work... 0308.

[Zucker2k]

Okay, this is bound to make some people jealous..... another first on XS :cool:

Mandatory cpu-z shot; 8.5 x 500 (4.250Ghz), 4x 2GB DDR2 1000
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/2a73d26f1ae51f9ef1e5b18c5fa45cf6.jpg

Some Everest bandwidth action, DDR2 1000, PL8 8GB ram
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/6a49597ff7f54bc819f24ba6ca0dcba7.jpg

Some priming action...
http://www.hostthenpost.org/uploads/4cd67d562914d082045fac9e3c99fa4b.jpg

This is doable on bios 0308, but I think the higher TREF was causing some issues. Anyway, testing continues, so far no hiccup :up:

[youraa]

Right now I'm priming at 430 fsb, but although it seems to take a little less voltage, I don't think it's behaving all that much different than 0601. I tried to do a quick 450 and no luck. I'll put on my NB block and see how much NB stability plays a factor, but the same fsb walls seem to be in place. Next stop if this doesn't work... 0308.

:(((( that's bad news maybe I'll try this 1302 for maximus then, otherwise no point for me to change from 1207, got stable 3.655 :(only sigh!

[Grnfinger]

Okay, this is bound to make some people jealous..... another first on XS :cool:

Mandatory cpu-z shot; 8.5 x 500 (4.250Ghz), 4x 2GB DDR2 1000



This is doable on bios 0308, but I think the higher TREF was causing some issues. Anyway, testing continues, so far no hiccup :up:


Jeebus thats a sweet ass chip you have there, Asus has my Maximus
hope to hear something Monday, maybe I can squeeze a Rampage out of them.

Anyways impressive as always :up:

[Zucker2k]

Jeebus thats a sweet ass chip you have there, Asus has my Maximus
hope to hear something Monday, maybe I can squeeze a Rampage out of them.

Anyways impressive as always :up:Thanks mate, I need an EO Quad badly; maybe Santa has something in store for me this christmas ;)

[KALISPIMENTA]

So did anyone tried the 1302 yet?

[youraa]

So did anyone tried the 1302 yet?

Yes I did a quick test on 440x8,5 - 471x8,5 :) - 450x 8,5 with no luck this same thing the bios boots but the windows splash hangs, tried strap 333 400

[KALISPIMENTA]

So was it an improvement or same thing?

[youraa]

Okay, this is bound to make some people jealous..... another first on XS :cool:



This is doable on bios 0308, but I think the higher TREF was causing some issues. Anyway, testing continues, so far no hiccup :up:

nice one :):clap:
I think the answer in my case is unfortunately a new board with x48 and I'm not sure Santa can afford it :)

The Asus Maximus II Formula Intel P45 is a nice thing and it's cheaper here than rampage formula but the ICHR10 is an issue with mac os x and I need it :(
although I wonder how it works with Q9950

[youraa]

So was it an improvement or same thing?

as I wrote above:) same thing

[Grnfinger]

nice one :):clap:
I think the answer in my case is unfortunately a new board with x48 and I'm not sure Santa can afford it :)

The Asus Maximus II Formula Intel P45 is a nice thing and it's cheaper here than rampage formula but the ICHR10 is an issue with mac os x and I need it :(
although I wonder how it works with Q9950


Very well :D

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/1140.png


I'm tempted Zucker2k to post that screenie of yours in the MIIF thread but damn after the last episode I doubt cryptik can take it:rofl:
Its early maybe I will change my mind:D

[MJR]

well, looks like no luck for me on the 430 fsb wall with 0701. I got no where with 450 so I tried 440fsb. turns out the same voltage I'm using prime stable at 430 (1.5vfsb, 1.8vnb) wouldn't boot at 440 and after trying different things, I got the windows screen to load by jacking up the pci-x frequency, sb and sb core voltage. Still no luck getting it into windows though.

It's just amazing to me that 10mhz can make such a difference. 430 no problem, 440 no way. I'm starting to think this board just doesn't have it in it.

[MJR]

You know what? The only thing I haven't tried yet is changing the cpu pll. Zucker2k reccomended I lock it at 1.5v. Any reason I shoudln;t raise it? Can that harm the CPU or could it help the fsb issue?

[Zucker2k]

You know what? The only thing I haven't tried yet is changing the cpu pll. Zucker2k reccomended I lock it at 1.5v. Any reason I shoudln;t raise it? Can that harm the CPU or could it help the fsb issue?Feel free to change it. It works for some people, has only created instability for me, but that may be due to other factors. I've shown you overclocks of 8x450 easy with everything at the lowest possible setting. My bet is you're overlooking something, all those voltages you mentioned are just too high. The 4.25ghz priming action you see in the screenie is done with 1.650v VNB @ 500 FSB! It was just a guesstimate so I think I can get it even lower when I find time to play with the overclock again.

This is a note to all; TO BE SURE A PARTICULAR OVERCLOCK ISN'T WORKING, AFTER YOU REBOOT, GO BACK INTO BIOS (IF YOU'RE NOT DUAL-BOOTING), TURN THE SYSTEM OFF. UNPLUG IT FROM THE WALL. WAIT 30 SECONDS AND TURN IT BACK ON.

THIS IS TRUE FOR BOTH MAXIMUS AND RAMPAGE FORMULA. I DON'T KNOW WHY, PROBABLY A BUG.

[MJR]

maybe I'll hang out at 430 for a bit then, install the NB block I received today and see how low I can get the voltages. There are enough settings on this board that I do not truly understand that I'm sure you could be right in that I'm just overlooking something.

[kup]

Just installed my new QX6850 (old tech I know, but good price) and testing @ 4GHz without breaking a sweat.

Will post some screenies in a bit.

Also, updated to 0701, liking it and not noticing much difference between that and 0308.

[kup]

Bios 0701 is giving me the infamous Asus Termination Voltage bug, where it jumps from 1.2v to 2v...

Will the CPU be ok @ 2v vFSBT for 20seconds? Saw it in bios, fixed it, save and reboot.

[Budious]

So, I have posted a few times here in the past and check in on this thread every so often. I am personally at wit's end with this board today, the longer I own it the quirkier and more faulty it apparently is becoming.

I bought my Maximus Formula in early October last year when it first hit the market if memory serves correctly, I had paired the system with a Corsair Dominator 4x1GB DDR2-1066 kit. In the beginning, it was possible to install one module, boot to BIOS (0401) and up the voltage (kit uses 2.2v by default, and I've been running them on 2.35v) to the required level. I could then install the other 3 modules and get the entire kit to boot.

Each time I made a change that kit did not like, it required to me to go through the process of reseting the CMOS and installing one module, upping the voltage, and installing the other modules. I upgraded to BIOS 0505 but it had no impact on the memory booting (DET DRAM) issue. I had setup the system to run a modest 320x9 (Q6600 B3) with DDR2-1067 memory divider in play. If I was lucky enough to get the system to boot up, I would leave it turned on for months at a time on a UPS. The overall system is apparently very stable and reliable, but the DET DRAM issue plagues me if I ever have to do a cold startup or snags the occasional reboot.

Fast forward to October 2008, I have to shut down the system one day to move some furniture around, but now the system does not let my old trick of installing one of the modules and booting to change BIOS settings. With a single module installed it would still display DET DRAM after a full BIOS reset. Since memory prices had dropped, I picked up a 512mb DDR2-667 module for $8 at newegg and was able to boot the system and up the voltage, and install the Dominator DDR2-1066 4x1GB kit. After this fiasco, I upgraded the BIOS to 1207 from 0505 hoping it might address these issues, but nothing appears to have addressed the DET DRAM issue.

So jump ahead to this week, after a spontaneous reboot the system restarted and then froze during the nightly backup the next day. After shutting it down, and using the DDR2-667 module to perform the same usual tricks, I can only get one of the DDR2-1066 modules at a time to boot with the new BIOS settings. Switching out 2 or more of the DDR2-1066 kit modules causes the system to hang at DET DRAM. I tried upgrading the BIOS again to the available beta 1302 version, but it appears to not to address the DET DRAM issue.

I should note this latest fit of interoperability is being attempted under the lightest of settings, full auto and default clock settings, DDR2-667 for the DDR2-667 diagnostic module and the DDR2-1066 Dominator kit. I have tried using the 333/400 straps with transaction booster disabled and relax 0/1. No combination of settings appears to address the issue, nor have any of the BIOS updates since the time this board came available. To say it's frustrating is an understatement, I'm ready just to toss the system in dumpster.

Any thoughts? Anyone have a Maximus Formula SE with Corsair Dominator DDR2-1066 4x1GB kit who can post their BIOS version and settings for me? I'm not a happy customer at the moment.

[OVERK|LL]

OK, so you have RAM that does not work at the default settings that the motherboard operates at, and you are angry at the BOARD?

Obviously, since the board works fine with the 667 stick, this isn't an issue with the board.

Perhaps now you've developed a bad DIMM?

[Grnfinger]

I would agree, one would test each stick independantly with memtest at stock speed / volts,
DET DRAM is a incorrect PL setting, set your ram strap and FSB then set the correct PL level, DET DRAM will no longer happen to you.
I run Corsair Dominators on my MAX X38 SE and have since the day I bought it (Novemeber 07), best ram ever hands down. I find they play very nice with the board and do anything I ask from them.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST4_505.png

[OVERK|LL]

I would agree, one would test each stick independantly with memtest at stock speed / volts,
DET DRAM is a incorrect PL setting, set your ram strap and FSB then set the correct PL level, DET DRAM will no longer happen to you.
I run Corsair Dominators on my MAX X38 SE and have since the day I bought it (Novemeber 07), best ram ever hands down. I find they play very nice with the board and do anything I ask from them.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST4_505.png

Grnfinger:

For clarity's sake: Did you have the same POST issues as he did with stock voltage?

[Budious]

All the modules are good as far as I know. Like I have said, this system has months upon months of uptime on it, the issues I'm having are at the boot level and detection of the memory. Once the system gets up and running it can stay up for months on end without problems. Windows applications run flawlessly, I frequently run multiple virtual machines and games simultaneously. Tools such as OCCT and Super Pi operate flawlessly. I think the freeze the other night was heat built-up from me neglecting to knock the dust out of the heat sinks as of late.

I tried the modules separately and in different slots, but the system won't boot any one of them installed separately in any slot with the BIOS set to defaults. I'll try setting the memory timings manually and see if will help me get all four modules swapped out and up and running, but as I said, it's a problem with the BIOS not detecting any of the modules with BIOS set at defaults. Whether or not I should be blaming the board or the memory is subjective, I'm just angry because of spending so much time with it and not finding a solution.

[OVERK|LL]

I know what you mean bud. My Ballistix did 1113Mhz; they were 667's, but, I had no issues booting with them at stock voltage.

My current 'el cheapo grande Kingston DIMM's likely won't OC much, so I haven't pushed them at all, as I'm sure you can tell from my sig.

I have not experienced the problem you are experiencing, but if you had better luck with an earlier BIOS, perhaps flashing back would be a good idea.

[MJR]

Bios 0701 is giving me the infamous Asus Termination Voltage bug, where it jumps from 1.2v to 2v...

Will the CPU be ok @ 2v vFSBT for 20seconds? Saw it in bios, fixed it, save and reboot.

wow. I'll be on the lookout for that. Haven't experienced that myself, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to try 0308 soon anyways.

[Grnfinger]

Grnfinger:

For clarity's sake: Did you have the same POST issues as he did with stock voltage?

Of course not.
Random freezes and reboots are usually bad ram
His reply is "All the modules are good as far as I know" so no he has not tested them, untill he does there is no point in speculating anything
Plus his sig state's he's running bios 505 and wonders why there is issues

[OVERK|LL]

Of course not.
Random freezes and reboots are usually bad ram
His reply is "All the modules are good as far as I know" so no he has not tested them, untill he does there is no point in speculating anything
Plus his sig state's he's running bios 505 and wonders why there is issues

Hhehehe, K, thanks for clearing that up ;)

[youraa]

Hi there
I can boot to windows, but Adobe Lightroom and every game crashes the pc
any thoghts?

My bios is on page 300 :) I did try lower and higher voltages with no sukcess
thx
I think I'll give also this 701 a try :)

[Budious]

Of course not.
Random freezes and reboots are usually bad ram
His reply is "All the modules are good as far as I know" so no he has not tested them, untill he does there is no point in speculating anything
Plus his sig state's he's running bios 505 and wonders why there is issues

I don't post here often, so I didn't update my signature. But your post makes me wonder if you even read my post as I posted my BIOS upgrade path, which was 0401 -> 0505 -> 1207 -> 1302 and I said that I've experienced similar problems under all BIOS. Also, I did not specifically mention testing each module individually, but I have in the past when I was still having these issues. I used Windows Memory Diagnostic (including extended suite) and have used Super Pi (which is a good indicator of memory stability) under Windows with an instance on each core doing a 32M calculations. So, yeah "I'm pretty sure it's not the modules" and I'll stand by that statement.

Signature updated and bolded just for you... ;)

Likewise: I should point out your signature indicates:
G.Skill F2-8500CLD5-4GBPK @ 1130MHz
G.Skill F2-8800CLD5-4GBPI @1142MHz
So where's those Dominators you claim to be running?

[OVERK|LL]

I don't post here often, so I didn't update my signature. But your post makes me wonder if you even read my post as I posted my BIOS upgrade path, which was 0401 -> 0505 -> 1207 -> 1302 and I said that I've experienced similar problems under all BIOS. Also, I did not specifically mention testing each module individually, but I have in the past when I was still having these issues. I used Windows Memory Diagnostic (including extended suite) and have used Super Pi (which is a good indicator of memory stability) under Windows with an instance on each core doing a 32M calculations. So, yeah "I'm pretty sure it's not the modules" and I'll stand by that statement.

Signature updated and bolded just for you... ;)

But if you can't test the modules now because the board won't boot with them, how can you be sure it's NOT the modules?

[Budious]

But if you can't test the modules now because the board won't boot with them, how can you be sure it's NOT the modules?

Because I can swap out the lower spec'd module for one module of the kit at a time and the system still boots. All the modules are good and will boot to Windows and pass Super Pi or pass Windows Memory Diagnostic bootable cd test suites. But none of the modules will boot from BIOS defaults on their own, nor can I use the set BIOS settings with lower spec'd module and swap out two or more of the four modules of the kit. This problem is not new, I have had it since day one in one capacity or another, but it's getting worse and not better. The modules have always worked fine once they get past the DET DRAM stage of the post process.

Also, you can see my last post in this thread before today was related to this issue as well:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2881669&postcount=3503

The difference was back then, it would not reboot immediately reboot without displaying DET DRAM but if I left it off for a period of time and tried it later, it would boot. This is part of the "getting worse" description of the problem, as I just wish that leaving it off for a while would still work. :(

[OVERK|LL]

Memtest86+ pass?

Tried flashing back to the previous BIOS?

[ShawnTRD]

Hey OverKill,
Can I get the details of your BIOS settings?

Thanks

[ShawnTRD]

Row Refresh Cycle Time??? Is that the tRFC? And 52 is what I want for 1066?

[OVERK|LL]

Hey OverKill,
Can I get the details of your BIOS settings?

Thanks

For which RAM setup? My old 2x1GB Crucials or my current Kingston 4x2GB sticks?

[ShawnTRD]

2x1GB Crucials fried? How about what you could suggest for my Q6700 and 4X1GB Crucials 6400 (the new 2.0V versions)

Thanks

[OVERK|LL]

2x1GB Crucials fried? How about what you could suggest for my Q6700 and 4X1GB Crucials 6400 (the new 2.0V versions)

Thanks

Nope, I sold them. Wanted 8GB of RAM :D

My settings are actually in this thread somewhere if you search on my name.

[youraa]

one of my core thermal sensors is stuck according to realtemp, do I have to worry? i still have the warranty for it do you think, they could replace it? or maybe there is a way to activate the sensor?

[Grnfinger]

I don't post here often, so I didn't update my signature. But your post makes me wonder if you even read my post as I posted my BIOS upgrade path, which was 0401 -> 0505 -> 1207 -> 1302 and I said that I've experienced similar problems under all BIOS. Also, I did not specifically mention testing each module individually, but I have in the past when I was still having these issues. I used Windows Memory Diagnostic (including extended suite) and have used Super Pi (which is a good indicator of memory stability) under Windows with an instance on each core doing a 32M calculations. So, yeah "I'm pretty sure it's not the modules" and I'll stand by that statement.

Signature updated and bolded just for you... ;)

Likewise: I should point out your signature indicates:
G.Skill F2-8500CLD5-4GBPK @ 1130MHz
G.Skill F2-8800CLD5-4GBPI @1142MHz
So where's those Dominators you claim to be running?

You take an attitude when looking for help... good plan:up:

Anyways lets start fresh shall we.
My sig indicates what I'm currently running, I could add the 5 cpus and 3 other kits of ram, my laptop, 2 old socket 939 rigs, my sons e8400/p35 ds3l
I think you get my point, I have no reason to lie here and I kind of take offence to the accusation.

Post your bios setup and temps CPU NB SB please.
I'm still leaning towards memory, you could also inspect the dimm slot area for swollen capacitors, pay really close attention, if any are swollen then your looking at an RMA for sure.
But lets have a look at your bios and temps so we can get a better idea of what is happening.

[zlojack]

You take an attitude when looking for help... good plan:up:

Anyways lets start fresh shall we.
My sig indicates what I'm currently running, I could add the 5 cpus and 3 other kits of ram, my laptop, 2 old socket 939 rigs, my sons e8400/p35 ds3l
I think you get my point, I have no reason to lie here and I kind of take offence to the accusation.

Post your bios setup and temps CPU NB SB please.
I'm still leaning towards memory, you could also inspect the dimm slot area for swollen capacitors, pay really close attention, if any are swollen then your looking at an RMA for sure.
But lets have a look at your bios and temps so we can get a better idea of what is happening.
Someone with an attitude like that doesn't even deserve your help, dude.

Budious, Grnfinger is one of the most helpful guys around and has a lot of practice and experience with a lot of different boards, RAM and CPUs. If he's offering help, say thanks instead of giving him attitude. :shakes:

[Budious]

Someone with an attitude like that doesn't even deserve your help, dude.

Budious, Grnfinger is one of the most helpful guys around and has a lot of practice and experience with a lot of different boards, RAM and CPUs. If he's offering help, say thanks instead of giving him attitude. :shakes:

Whatever... it was rhetorical reply to his attitude. He's the one that not so jokingly wanted to make an issue out of BIOS 0505 in my signature when my original post said I had updated it twice. Anyways, if he's so helpful, how about a helpful reply instead? :)


Post your bios setup and temps CPU NB SB please.
I'm still leaning towards memory, you could also inspect the dimm slot area for swollen capacitors, pay really close attention, if any are swollen then your looking at an RMA for sure.
But lets have a look at your bios and temps so we can get a better idea of what is happening.

I will inspect the board closely as soon as I get a chance later today.

[Dostoyevsky77]

Wow, after a year of perfect problem-free performance on this board, this morning I couldn't turn it on because of "DET DRAM". I only had enough time to try a few things out & tried just two sticks in blue and then the other two in white, but no joy. I also tried clearing CMOS. Still DET DRAM.

Tonight, I will try my wife's PC2-1000 G.Skill 2x2s, but I am pessimistic considering 2x1 Ballistix didn't work. Any other thoughts why it would suddenly not pass POST after working absolutely fine for so long? My rig is current sig.

***EDIT: Good to see Zlojack & Grnfinger still hang out here. You guys FTW. Zlojack, your new build looks awesome. I'm also a Carlsberg fan. :p

[youraa]

Wow, after a year of perfect problem-free performance on this board, this morning I couldn't turn it on because of "DET DRAM". I only had enough time to try a few things out & tried just two sticks in blue and then the other two in white, but no joy. I also tried clearing CMOS. Still DET DRAM.

Tonight, I will try my wife's PC2-1000 G.Skill 2x2s, but I am pessimistic considering 2x1 Ballistix didn't work. Any other thoughts why it would suddenly not pass POST after working absolutely fine for so long? My rig is current sig.

***EDIT: Good to see Zlojack & Grnfinger still hang out here. You guys FTW. Zlojack, your new build looks awesome. I'm also a Carlsberg fan. :p

Last year when I bought the mobo I had kinda similar problem suddenly my 1150 OCZ stopped working, with one of them it did boot, but never with both, although when I tried with just the one stick I thought was damaged it didn't boot. Did you try booting with one of them? Finally I exchanged them for the Black Dragons, the funny thing is that when I went to the store the guy checked the RAM and it was working fine!!???? he checked it on a different board.

[zlojack]

Wow, after a year of perfect problem-free performance on this board, this morning I couldn't turn it on because of "DET DRAM". I only had enough time to try a few things out & tried just two sticks in blue and then the other two in white, but no joy. I also tried clearing CMOS. Still DET DRAM.

Tonight, I will try my wife's PC2-1000 G.Skill 2x2s, but I am pessimistic considering 2x1 Ballistix didn't work. Any other thoughts why it would suddenly not pass POST after working absolutely fine for so long? My rig is current sig.

***EDIT: Good to see Zlojack & Grnfinger still hang out here. You guys FTW. Zlojack, your new build looks awesome. I'm also a Carlsberg fan. :p

Thanks man! I hope to eventually finish that build :ROTF: It's taking forever!

Anyway, weren't there issues with Ballistix and these boards a while back? Could be that yours held out longer and finally decided to die? :shrug:

[Dostoyevsky77]

Youraa & Zlojack, you guys are right. One stick POSTed for me. Looks like the other three are bad. Sadly, it looks like my luck with these Ballistix has run out and it's time to order a new set.

I am thinking 2x2 for obvious reasons. Do you guys know some good sticks that can take my 1128MHz OC in the 333MHz 5:4 strap? I need to stay cheap. I was thinking of THESE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166), but my wife's PC2-1000 OCZs don't OC except a couple MHz. Is there some good sticks that reliably OC on this board? ***EDIT: I just saw Grnfinger's sig. I'm going to get those G.Skills for now, but do let me know your thoughts.

Wow... what to do with these Ballistix? RMA them, and then... eBay? How sad.

[youraa]

Youraa & Zlojack, you guys are right. One stuck POSTed for me. Looks like the other three are bad. Sadly, it looks like my luck with these Ballistix has run out and it's time to order a new set.

I am thinking 2x2 for obvious reasons. Do you guys know some good sticks that can take my 1128MHz OC in the 333MHz 5:4 strap? I need to stay cheap. I was thinking of THESE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166), but my wife's PC2-1000 OCZs don't OC except a couple MHz. Is there some good sticks that reliably OC on this board?

Wow... what to do with these Ballistix? RMA them, and then... eBay? How sad.

You should check them on a different board, cause as I was saying my sticks on a different board worked fine and they were passing all the tests, so that was a strange situation, it seems that it was a mobo problem but after changing the ram it never happend again

[ShawnTRD]

I just seen that some people are showing that they have changed theres. Are changing these important? Why?

[MJR]

soem of those settings can make a huge difference.

[Grnfinger]

I just seen that some people are showing that they have changed theres. Are changing these important? Why?

Speed step and C1E are turned off for overclocking,
vanderpool can be enabled, I used to run it enabled but no longer
TM function will throttle your CPU, so disabled is best
Ex Disable Bit, enables or disables page protection, disabled is best.


Wow, after a year of perfect problem-free performance on this board, this morning I couldn't turn it on because of "DET DRAM". I only had enough time to try a few things out & tried just two sticks in blue and then the other two in white, but no joy. I also tried clearing CMOS. Still DET DRAM.

Tonight, I will try my wife's PC2-1000 G.Skill 2x2s, but I am pessimistic considering 2x1 Ballistix didn't work. Any other thoughts why it would suddenly not pass POST after working absolutely fine for so long? My rig is current sig.

***EDIT: Good to see Zlojack & Grnfinger still hang out here. You guys FTW. Zlojack, your new build looks awesome. I'm also a Carlsberg fan. :p

Sorry to hear about your ram, but glad your still around m8
GSkills kick ass you wont be disapointed with them.

Crucial BT's were notorious for dieing on X38 boards, Test your sticks in a P35/45 if you can b4 you RMA them, they might be just fine.

[ShawnTRD]

How do these Voltage look for Q6700 @ 3.36

Everest
Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.33 V
FSB VTT 1.44 V
North Bridge Core 1.46 V
South Bridge Core 1.10 V
South Bridge PLL 1.52 V
DIMM 2.00 V
DIMM VTT 1.01 V
GPU Vcc 3.27 V

[ShawnTRD]

OCCT only last for 18 minutes :(

[Grnfinger]

OCCT only last for 18 minutes :(

run prime blend and tell me what test it fails.

[Dostoyevsky77]

Grnfinger, thank you so much for the PM with the timing/PL/voltage information on the G.Skills. FYI to everyone else, Green sent me a LONG PM with every setting I could possibly want for running the G.Skills @ sigged OC (except at 5-5-5-15).

Speaking of, I wonder what you guys think about this. A good friend at the Nvidia forums is sending PC2-8500 Dominators 4x1GB (probably rev 1.1 or later without the D9GMHs). He says he can get them up to 1150 on a 790i, but only two at a time. He can't run both kits. Anyway, he's sending them FOR FREE! (I love you guys & these forums). It's Jaafaman, if any of you are regular in the Nvidia or EVGA forums. I'll let you all know how both kits (G.Skill v. Dominators) work out. I'm looking for some tight timings at some high speeds.

I haven't benched RAM in over 6 months! What fun to start again (even if it is eclipsed by i7... who cares? I still run a terminal window to override GUI! DDR2 <> FTW, but it sure is a lot of fun!).

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I can't seem to get my Maximus with Rampage BIOS 0701 to even boot when I try to 533FSB or higher with my E0 E8400. I know the chip has it in it, when it was in my DFI P35 it could do at least 542FSB and didn't require a lot of VTT. Right now I'm running 500x8 on the Maximus which seems stable, but it seems odd that I'm having problems going higher. I tried bumping NB voltage all the way up to 1.65 with no success; the highest FSB I've gotten it to POST with is 525.

[Zucker2k]

@ Dostoyevsky77, where have you been hiding? Nice to see you back.

Alright guys and girls, I have a proposition. It's amazing how quickly we can forget stuff, but I have this pesky thing where I can boot windows normal running my Q9550 @ 495 fsb, but at 500 fsb, I always get a black screen..... unless I switch off the system and kill the switch. It'll seem a strap change may be the issue, since I'm running @ PL8 with CL5, but even if I change to PL9, I get the same treatment at boot. The system is perfectly stable (guess not) in windows,and I've shown you some screenies of it priming at 4.250Ghz (8.5 x 500). This anomally is true for both 308 and 701 bioses. So I decided to go to the very early bioses and re-discovered 0207. This bios' microcode is obviously outdated,and even though it throws up a warning about updating my bios to unleash the full power of the processor, actual performance in windows is on par with 308. 207 has a higher TRFC too, and very low gtls - 57 (which I'm running on right now), 59, 61, and 63. The only problem I foresee is TRFC is maxed at 42. Now if we can convince Ket? to copy the latest microcode and may be update the ram table in 207, maybe even append the gtl configuration for that bios, we should have a very effective hybrid bios which should help many people overclock their quads better. I doubt Asus will ever go to those low gtls again. What do you guys think?

PS: Oh, 0207 did solve my booting issue @ 500 FSB when I use 0.57x gtl and bump fsbt a bit higher.

[Zucker2k]

I can't seem to get my Maximus with Rampage BIOS 0701 to even boot when I try to 533FSB or higher with my E0 E8400. I know the chip has it in it, when it was in my DFI P35 it could do at least 542FSB and didn't require a lot of VTT. Right now I'm running 500x8 on the Maximus which seems stable, but it seems odd that I'm having problems going higher. I tried bumping NB voltage all the way up to 1.65 with no success; the highest FSB I've gotten it to POST with is 525.Try changing PL to one step higher; also, advance clockskews to 300 each, don't forget, a little more fsbt may be necessary. Try the PL first though.

[Dostoyevsky77]

@ Dostoyevsky77, where have you been hiding? Nice to see you back.
(SNIP!)

Thanks. I've been busy lately @ work, but now it's boring again. That, and well... I started getting DET DRAM! :p New modules should arrive today, though.

Vis-a-vis your issue, it's pretty amazing that you found a BIOS that (kind of) works. Have you tried any of the MF BIOSes?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Try changing PL to one step higher; also, advance clockskews to 300 each, don't forget, a little more fsbt may be necessary. Try the PL first though.

I was running the PL at 10, I'll just set it to auto and see how it goes. I hadn't thought about the clock skews; is that for CPU and NB or for DRAM?

[ShawnTRD]

I this all still true with the new BIOS and RF BIOS? I'm just going over the first post to see what I need to refresh on.

Bios Straps and Getting Them to Work!!!

400 strap set to enabled relax level 0
333 strap set to disable relax level 0
You may need to set Dram Static to Auto

[Shiranui Gen-An]

With the RF BIOS at least, you can manually set the Performance Level/tRD as its actual numeric value.

[ShawnTRD]

These are setting that I'm still confused about. (XXX) is what my setting are.

dram static read ? (Disable I think)
ai clock twister ? (Moderate)
trans.booster ? (Enable I think)

perf.level ? (I'm on 7)

[Grnfinger]

@ Dostoyevsky77, where have you been hiding? Nice to see you back.

Alright guys and girls, I have a proposition. It's amazing how quickly we can forget stuff, but I have this pesky thing where I can boot windows normal running my Q9550 @ 495 fsb, but at 500 fsb, I always get a black screen..... unless I switch off the system and kill the switch. It'll seem a strap change may be the issue, since I'm running @ PL8 with CL5, but even if I change to PL9, I get the same treatment at boot. The system is perfectly stable (guess not) in windows,and I've shown you some screenies of it priming at 4.250Ghz (8.5 x 500). This anomally is true for both 308 and 701 bioses. So I decided to go to the very early bioses and re-discovered 0207. This bios' microcode is obviously outdated,and even though it throws up a warning about updating my bios to unleash the full power of the processor, actual performance in windows is on par with 308. 207 has a higher TRFC too, and very low gtls - 57 (which I'm running on right now), 59, 61, and 63. The only problem I foresee is TRFC is maxed at 42. Now if we can convince Ket? to copy the latest microcode and may be update the ram table in 207, maybe even append the gtl configuration for that bios, we should have a very effective hybrid bios which should help many people overclock their quads better. I doubt Asus will ever go to those low gtls again. What do you guys think?

PS: Oh, 0207 did solve my booting issue @ 500 FSB when I use 0.57x gtl and bump fsbt a bit higher.

You do know that Ket just copies memory tables and any major bios changes he attemps usally results in ppl losing there boards, I realalize there is a risk involed doing anything but it seems he has borked alot of boards ...someting maybe you should consider b4 trashing your cherry board.

I tried a MIIF bios he did, it actually ran worse:rofl:

[Zucker2k]

Thanks. I've been busy lately @ work, but now it's boring again. That, and well... I started getting DET DRAM! :p New modules should arrive today, though.

Vis-a-vis your issue, it's pretty amazing that you found a BIOS that (kind of) works. Have you tried any of the MF BIOSes?I'm on rampage. :D


You do know that Ket just copies memory tables and any major bios changes he attemps usally results in ppl losing there boards, I realalize there is a risk involed doing anything but it seems he has borked alot of boards ...someting maybe you should consider b4 trashing your cherry board.

I tried a MIIF bios he did, it actually ran worse:rofl:ROFL, woah! Scary stuff. :down:

[Dostoyevsky77]

Grnfinger, my G.Skill F2-8500CLD5-4GBPK arrived today. I dropped them in at 1128, and they gobbled that :banana::banana::banana::banana: up. I can't thank you enough for your help. I did notice, though, that at AUTO my sticks wanted some tighter advanced timings than you gave in your PM to me. I'm guessing for stability? I haven't done a torture test yet, so I'll keep you posted.

The 4x1 PC2-8500 Dominators should be here by Thursday, and I'll give a head-to-head at that time. Here is a run I just did. Right after OS loaded, I was over 9.7GB/s on read and copy, but it's still a way's off from my Ballistix, which could do over 10 on all three for shorter latency. Still, for the money, these are some great sticks.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee93/Dostoyevsky77/Capture-44.jpg

Zucker, I know you're on RF BIOSes. I was just wondering if you've tried any of the MF for your issue... you know, just out of curiosity.

[Zucker2k]

Zucker, I know you're on RF BIOSes. I was just wondering if you've tried any of the MF for your issue... you know, just out of curiosity.I'm on a rampage formula, physically.
Yeah, we all love those G.skills; I think Grnfinger gave you the timings for the PI series, those are a little looser. I have your ram, they can run very high on the frequency and very stable. :up:

[Dostoyevsky77]

I'm on a rampage formula, physically.(SNIP!)

Oh. Now I understand. Haha!

I can't wait to compare these sticks to the Dominators. IIRC, they swapped the Micron D9s after the first couple months to Powerchip... or something. Do you know what's in our G.Skills? I miss the cool lights from the Ballistix Tracers. I know that sounds really stupid, but the under-desk lighting would change significantly from RAM activity with all four modules installed.

[Zucker2k]

Oh. Now I understand. Haha!

I can't wait to compare these sticks to the Dominators. IIRC, they swapped the Micron D9s after the first couple months to Powerchip... or something. Do you know what's in our G.Skills? I miss the cool lights from the Ballistix Tracers. I know that sounds really stupid, but the under-desk lighting would change significantly from RAM activity with all four modules installed.The G.Skills have powerchips in them. I did take mine out for these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231211 cheap and fast. I'm currently running 8GB of these (4x2GB) 1:1 @ DDR2 942 with the following timings

4-4-3-9-1-2-1

7-2-4-4-5-4-5

11-4-1-4-4

I'm yet to see any such timings from any 2x2GB sticks on the market. I hear they have qimonda chips.

[Grnfinger]

Yes my bad I posted the PI timing, I'll hunt arounf for the other setup.

My Corsairs are vers 1.1 Micron D9GMH best kit of ram ever!
Sadly I have a 1x1GB kit, and would sell my soul for another matching kit

Zucker2k I thought GSkills 8500cl5d's were Micron D9GKX

[Dostoyevsky77]

My Corsairs are vers 1.1 Micron D9GMH best kit of ram ever!
Sadly I have a 1x1GB kit, and would sell my soul for another matching kit


Hehe. I sold my kit on eBay when I upgraded from 2 to 4GB because I couldn't find a matching Micron kit. Maybe I can track down that shipping address, and we can go over there with some eggnog (and a baseball bat).

*Sniff* Come back, sweeties!
http://www.overclock.net/gallery/data/500/medium/CIMG5254.JPG

[Zucker2k]

Yes my bad I posted the PI timing, I'll hunt arounf for the other setup.

My Corsairs are vers 1.1 Micron D9GMH best kit of ram ever!
Sadly I have a 1x1GB kit, and would sell my soul for another matching kit

Zucker2k I thought GSkills 8500cl5d's were Micron D9GKXWoah, I wish. No, they're powerchips.


Hehe. I sold my kit on eBay when I upgraded from 2 to 4GB because I couldn't find a matching Micron kit. Maybe I can track down that shipping address, and we can go over there with some eggnog (and a baseball bat).

*Sniff* Come back, sweeties!
http://www.overclock.net/gallery/data/500/medium/CIMG5254.JPGYou're quite the thug aren't you? :rofl:

Edit: I clocked my first dominators PC2-8500s to DDR2 1400+ on my Asus P5E. Those had D9GMHs.

[youraa]

I can't seem to get my Maximus with Rampage BIOS 0701 to even boot when I try to 533FSB or higher with my E0 E8400. I know the chip has it in it, when it was in my DFI P35 it could do at least 542FSB and didn't require a lot of VTT. Right now I'm running 500x8 on the Maximus which seems stable, but it seems odd that I'm having problems going higher. I tried bumping NB voltage all the way up to 1.65 with no success; the highest FSB I've gotten it to POST with is 525.

I cant't go over 433 :((( and hoped that the bios could help same thing with AM 1302 :(((

[youraa]

@ Dostoyevsky77, where have you been hiding? Nice to see you back.

Alright guys and girls, I have a proposition. It's amazing how quickly we can forget stuff, but I have this pesky thing where I can boot windows normal running my Q9550 @ 495 fsb, but at 500 fsb, I always get a black screen..... unless I switch off the system and kill the switch. It'll seem a strap change may be the issue, since I'm running @ PL8 with CL5, but even if I change to PL9, I get the same treatment at boot. The system is perfectly stable (guess not) in windows,and I've shown you some screenies of it priming at 4.250Ghz (8.5 x 500). This anomally is true for both 308 and 701 bioses. So I decided to go to the very early bioses and re-discovered 0207. This bios' microcode is obviously outdated,and even though it throws up a warning about updating my bios to unleash the full power of the processor, actual performance in windows is on par with 308. 207 has a higher TRFC too, and very low gtls - 57 (which I'm running on right now), 59, 61, and 63. The only problem I foresee is TRFC is maxed at 42. Now if we can convince Ket? to copy the latest microcode and may be update the ram table in 207, maybe even append the gtl configuration for that bios, we should have a very effective hybrid bios which should help many people overclock their quads better. I doubt Asus will ever go to those low gtls again. What do you guys think?

PS: Oh, 0207 did solve my booting issue @ 500 FSB when I use 0.57x gtl and bump fsbt a bit higher.


so there is hope :))))

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Try changing PL to one step higher; also, advance clockskews to 300 each, don't forget, a little more fsbt may be necessary. Try the PL first though.

Nothing seems to be working well, most of the time it gets stuck and the LCD Poster still shows "EN SETUP."

[Zucker2k]

Nothing seems to be working well, most of the time it gets stuck and the LCD Poster still shows "EN SETUP."List your parts please, bios, and what clocks you want. Please list ram specs too.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Board: Maximus Formula
BIOS: Rampage 0701
CPU: E8400 VID 1.2500
Memory: 2x1GB OCZ FlexXLC 9200 (D9GMH)
CPU Cooler: OCZ Vendetta 2

For right now, I just want to get 533x7.5 stable with the memory at 1:1; once I can get that I'll try the memory on the 333/800 strap as it can do 1280. I eventually hope to at least be able to bench 542FSB with memory at 650MHz.

[Zucker2k]

Board: Maximus Formula
BIOS: Rampage 0701
CPU: E8400 VID 1.2500
Memory: 2x1GB OCZ FlexXLC 9200 (D9GMH)
CPU Cooler: OCZ Vendetta 2

For right now, I just want to get 533x7.5 stable with the memory at 1:1; once I can get that I'll try the memory on the 333/800 strap as it can do 1280. I eventually hope to at least be able to bench 542FSB with memory at 650MHz.

Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 7.5
FSB Frequency : 533
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 1066
DRAM Command Rate : 2T

Set both clockskews on CHA/CHB to 300

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 45~60 (you can tighten later)
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : STRONGER

Set PL to 9

CPU Voltage : ? Mess around with these, you know your chip best
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : Try 1.65 ~ 1.70 (you can lower it later; the objective is to see what it'll take to boot itso you can fine-tune settings later)
DRAM Voltage : 2.20v
FSB Termination Voltage : Try .1v higher than vcore
South Bridge Voltage : 1.100
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.60
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO


NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 7.5
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

Goodluck.

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I gave it a try last night with most of your settings, a few changes here and there, but no go. I was pretty tired so I'll have to try again after work today.

[Zucker2k]

I gave it a try last night with most of your settings, a few changes here and there, but no go. I was pretty tired so I'll have to try again after work today.Start going down on the fsb till it starts to post, you can then try individual voltages and voila, you should see what's holding you. I have a feeling your not giving it either much vcore, vdimm. :shrug:

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Well it's an E0 E8400, so ~4GHz (533x7.5) shouldn't need that much vcore, maybe 1.28V real, at least it didn't on the DFI P35.

[Zucker2k]

Well it's an E0 E8400, so ~4GHz (533x7.5) shouldn't need that much vcore, maybe 1.28V real, at least it didn't on the DFI P35.Well, you do have it to give it what it needs to run on this board.

[Kiwi76]

I finally got around to flashing the BIOS on my Maximus Formula from the 0602 version it shipped with. I tried before going to 1201, but my overclocks would never stick and reset to stock at reboot, so I reverted back to 0602 because it worked. Well, I got the Rampage 0701 BIOS working, so I want to tweak my setup. For now, I just stuck in my settings that worked for 3.6GHz on the old BIOS and it seems to work just fine. I want to get back to 4.05GHz and then tweak it. I never FULLY tweaked it on the old BIOS, so I want to try to now.

Pertinent hardware is as follows (if anything else is needed, it's in the signature).
ASUS Maximus Formula (Rampage Formula BIOS 0701)
E8400 (C0 stepping, Batch#Q746A381, 1.1125VID)
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
It idles ~40C at 3.6GHz, and I can't remember load temperatures to be honest, but it was running fine at 4.05GHz loaded on the old BIOS. If I maximize fan speed, it idles ~4C lower.
4GB (2x 2GB) Corsair XMS2
Since there's so many Corsair XMS2 RAM types, here's (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184) a link. It's the worst of the types. I'm pretty sure it maxes out a little over 950MHz (highest overclock I've ever done was 4.32GHz, but it wasn't exactly stable), but, I've never tinkered with timings much.

BIOS settings are as follows with my current temporary 3.6GHz overclock, and I'll note the differences for when it was at 4.05GHz.

Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9.0
FSB Frequency : 400MHz (was 450MHz for previous 4.05GHz overclock)
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400MHz
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2 800MHz
DRAM Command Rate : 2N

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18 (it can do 12 at 3.6GHz/400MHz FSB with 1.86V in the BIOS which really is ~1.9V, but for 4.05GHz, I think it'll need to be left at 18)
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: N/A (not sure, whatever it defaults to)
Ai Clock Twister : N/A (not sure, whatever it defaults to)

CPU Voltage : 1.2V set in BIOS so ~1.8V real for 3.6GHz. 1.32V set in BIOS so 1.3V real for 4.05GHz.
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : 1.35V for 3.6GHz. I think 4.05GHz needed a bit more like 1.39V or something.
DRAM Voltage : 1.186v (results in 1.9v on the old BIOS) for 3.6GHz and 2.086 (results in 2.1V) for 4.05GHz
FSB Termination Voltage : AUTO (not sure about this BIOS, but on the old one, it had a drop/droop of ~.1V)
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

All of the Intel Speedstep and stuff is enabled.

[chawks2]

Well it's an E0 E8400, so ~4GHz (533x7.5) shouldn't need that much vcore, maybe 1.28V real, at least it didn't on the DFI P35.

Maybe you should check to see the actual voltages being produced based on what you're choosing. This board mad overvolts, so be careful and make sure you know your actual voltages.

[xxDayTrader]

Right off the bat (in my first post here ;) ) I want to thank everyone who's contributed to this thread. The information here allowed me, a complete N00B at overclocking, BIOSes, RAM timings, and so forth, to take my first pc build from a Maximus Formula to a "Rampage Formula" with the 0308 BIOS.

I took these settings from some of the many suggestions in this thread. Unfortunately, I had to set a lot of them to 'Auto' just to get 8x425 to post, boot and test stable in OCCT and Prime95.

I'm beginning my first "real" overclock (real in the sense that I'm not using the standard/automatic Asus OC settings to bump things up for me) and would appreciate some input. As I said, I'm really new at this so I thought I'd post up my settings for now in case someone notices some glaring problems and/or has some suggestions. My goal is to hit 3.6 or maybe 3.8 Ghz (on air cooling if that's possible). For now, all I can manage is 3.4Ghz (8x425) without getting BSOD (posts OK) when window tries to load.



8x425

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- Auto
DRAM Command Rate : Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto
CAS# Latency :
RAS# to CAS# Delay :
RAS# Precharge :
RAS# ActivateTime :
RAS# to RAS# Delay :
Row Refresh Cycle Time :
Write Recovery Time :
Read to Precharge Time :

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :
Write to Read Delay (S) :
Write to Read Delay (D) :
Read to Read Delay (S) :
Read to Read Delay (D) :
Write to Write Delay (S) :
Write to Write Delay (D) :
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : Auto

CPU Voltage : 1.45
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.52
North Bridge Voltage : 1.45
DRAM Voltage : 2.06
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
SB 1.5V Voltage :

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled

Here are some screenshots of Everest and CPUZ:
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/TheMowler/0308-8x425-cpuz.jpg?t=1229540610
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/TheMowler/0308-8x425-everest-realtemp.jpg?t=1229540668

[Grnfinger]

Just got off the phone with Asus.
Seems after 3 tries they agree my SE is borked. Waiting now on the email of options for replacement boards......

[ShawnTRD]

What ya going to get? (hoping)

[Shiranui Gen-An]

This is just frustrating. I can get 525FSB semi-stable, and by that I mean sometimes it will hang on DET DRAM, but I can press the restart button and it will post and run memtest which showed no errors, but if I go to 530 or above, nothing.



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : 7.5
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
FSB Frequency : 533
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1080
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 45
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : Auto

CPU Voltage : 1.35V
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50V
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65V
DRAM Voltage : 2.20V
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40V
South Bridge Voltage : 1.100V
Loadline Calibration : Disabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.57x~0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50V

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

[chawks2]

Just got off the phone with Asus.
Seems after 3 tries they agree my SE is borked. Waiting now on the email of options for replacement boards......

:shocked: Unbelievable. They better be giving you an i7 iteration. :shocked:

[Kiwi76]

xxDayTrader, try these to see if your RAM isn't holding you back. Changes are in Blue and bold.


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto 400MHz
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- Auto DDR2 850MHz
DRAM Command Rate : Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto
CAS# Latency :
RAS# to CAS# Delay :
RAS# Precharge :
RAS# ActivateTime :
RAS# to RAS# Delay :
Row Refresh Cycle Time :
Write Recovery Time :
Read to Precharge Time :

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :
Write to Read Delay (S) :
Write to Read Delay (D) :
Read to Read Delay (S) :
Read to Read Delay (D) :
Write to Write Delay (S) :
Write to Write Delay (D) :
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : Auto

CPU Voltage : 1.45
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.52
North Bridge Voltage : 1.45
DRAM Voltage : 2.06
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.50 (Unless that's a typo, that's way too high. This might be why Windows is BSODing. This should be ~1.05V)
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5V (This is the one that should be 1.5V, it's the South bridge PLL)

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU Volt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

I suggest taking RAM out of the equation as a start. I'm not sure for CPU PLL or FSB Termination. Maybe try Auto, but maybe that's a bad idea. Definitely fix your South Bridge voltage though, and try taking the RAM out of the equation to narrow it down to the board or CPU.

[xxDayTrader]

^^^^ thanks. Will give that a shot!

Mike

[adrenaline7879]

got my G.Skill F2-8800 in yest thanks to grnfinger for the recommendation. popped them in last night and hit 1100 with ease. tonight i will get a chance to see what they can do. :D

[Grnfinger]

got my G.Skill F2-8800 in yest thanks to grnfinger for the recommendation. popped them in last night and hit 1100 with ease. tonight i will get a chance to see what they can do. :D

Glad they worked out for you. :bounces:
Post your max MHz please, I have yet to see a kit go beyond 1140 ish

[askimo]

This is just frustrating. I can get 525FSB semi-stable, and by that I mean sometimes it will hang on DET DRAM, but I can press the restart button and it will post and run memtest which showed no errors, but if I go to 530 or above, nothing.



Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : 7.5
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
FSB Frequency : 533
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1080
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 45
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : Auto

CPU Voltage : 1.35V
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50V
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65V
DRAM Voltage : 2.20V
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40V
South Bridge Voltage : 1.100V
Loadline Calibration : Disabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.57x~0.67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50V

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled


I have exactly the same issue with similar hardware. Above 525FSB nothing works

[Shiranui Gen-An]

I left NB and FSB volts on auto for a test to see if it would boot at 533FSB and it did, but when I checked the BIOS for the values NB was over 1.7v and VTT over 1.5V :eek:

[Diegis0n]

It always had an overvolt addiction, but this off the charts :down:

What PSU?

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Asus Quattro 850W.

[ShawnTRD]

run prime blend and tell me what test it fails.

Hey Grnfinger,
I tried getting my Q6700 to a nice OC without OCing my RAM. So 3.20 passes OCCT, but 3.30 fails right away. The only thing I've changed for 3.30 is FSB Freq. from 320 to 330.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/fail.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/HPIM0739.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/HPIM0740.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/HPIM0741.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/HPIM0744.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/HPIM0745.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/HPIM0747.jpg

3.20 no problems...
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/pass.jpg

[Grnfinger]

try upping the NB 1.39 is rather low for 4x1GB, try 1.45-1.47 and see what happens

[ShawnTRD]

Ok I the NB is now 1.46. I also bumped the FSBT voltage from 1.36 to 1.46, and CPU from 1.28 to 1.30. So far it's better. What temp should I make sure the cores and the NB stay below.

Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type W83627DHG + W83791D + ADT7475 + ADP3228 (ISA 290h, SMB 2Ch/2Eh/20h)
GPU Sensor Type Analog Devices ADT7473 (NV-I2C 2Eh)
Motherboard Name Asus Maximus Extreme / Maximus Formula / Rampage Formula
Chassis Intrusion Detected No

Temperatures
Motherboard 28 °C (82 °F)
CPU 37 °C (99 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 51 °C (124 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 51 °C (124 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 46 °C (115 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 47 °C (117 °F)
North Bridge 46 °C (115 °F)
South Bridge 35 °C (95 °F)
GPU 42 °C (108 °F)
GPU Diode 51 °C (124 °F)
GPU Memory 42 °C (108 °F)
GPU Ambient 39 °C (102 °F)
SAMSUNG HD103UJ 22 °C (72 °F)
WDC WD2500KS-00MJB0 50 °C (122 °F)

Cooling Fans
CPU 2177 RPM
Chassis #2 1758 RPM
Chassis #3 2212 RPM
GPU 1582 RPM (60%)

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.30 V
+3.3 V 3.23 V
+5 V 4.90 V
+12 V 12.10 V
+5 V Standby 4.92 V
FSB VTT 1.46 V
North Bridge Core 1.46 V
South Bridge Core 1.07 V
South Bridge PLL 1.52 V
DIMM 2.00 V
DIMM VTT 1.01 V
GPU Vcc 3.27 V

[ShawnTRD]

try upping the NB 1.39 is rather low for 4x1GB, try 1.45-1.47 and see what happens

failed again :(

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd247/ShawnTRD/OCing/fail2.jpg

[Zucker2k]

Shawn, try cpu gtl of 67. What temps are you getting? At 333 fsb you should be able to boot PL6. I'd enable static read, and aiclock to stronger. These boards love tight everything.

[ShawnTRD]

boot PL6? Whats that?

[Zucker2k]

boot PL6? Whats that?Set performance level to 6.

[ShawnTRD]

Yeah that's what I thought it was. So I did that.

[ShawnTRD]

try upping the NB 1.39 is rather low for 4x1GB, try 1.45-1.47 and see what happens

Would I be much better off with a 2x2GB kit? If so whats the best for this board?

[Grnfinger]

Would I be much better off with a 2x2GB kit? If so whats the best for this board?

In my testing I have found that when running prime blend if you get errors at the following test adjusting these values correct the problem.
This is not law here ....its just my own findings.

1024 - increase VTT or vNB
896 or 448 - vNB
768, 512, 332 - VTT

As for 2x2GB kits, GSkill would be my firrst choice, Corsair Dominators and Mushkin Redlines.

[MJR]

I've given up trying to break 430 for now. Maybe once I get the h20 on the NB, I'l have some luck getting the volts down.

[Grnfinger]

45nm quads and X38 seem to hit a wall at about 425-435 FSB
Watercool that NB all you like it wont help you.

[xxDayTrader]

Ok fellas... I appreciate the help so far. For the first time I was able to get 8*450 stable for 24 hrs of Prime95. I feel like I REALLY had to crank my voltages though and wonder if I am pushing too hard. Below my BIOS settings are my prime tests (screen shot taken 23 hrs in or so) and my Real Temp + CPUZ screenshots.



Maximus Formula --> 0308 Rampage BIOS

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400MHz
PCI-E Frequency: 115
DRAM Frequency: DDR2 850MHz
DRAM Command Rate : Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto
CAS# Latency :
RAS# to CAS# Delay :
RAS# Precharge :
RAS# ActivateTime :
RAS# to RAS# Delay :
Row Refresh Cycle Time :
Write Recovery Time :
Read to Precharge Time :

Read to Write Delay (S/D) :
Write to Read Delay (S) :
Write to Read Delay (D) :
Read to Read Delay (S) :
Read to Read Delay (D) :
Write to Write Delay (S) :
Write to Write Delay (D) :
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : 10

CPU Voltage : 1.55625
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.76
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65
DRAM Voltage : 2.20
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.54
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU Volt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Everest (benchmark done while Prime95 was running)
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/TheMowler/8x450everest.jpg

Prime95, CPUZ and Real Temp - Is the max of 73 degrees in two of my cpu's cores reason for concern?
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/TheMowler/8x45024hrstable.jpg?t=1229809336


I assume my volt #'s REALLY need to come down but I kinda worked my way UP to them just to get a stable boot and Prime run so I don't really know where to start. -- Suggestions would be great.

Mike

[Grnfinger]

Ok fellas... I appreciate the help so far. For the first time I was able to get 8*450 stable for 24 hrs of Prime95. I feel like I REALLY had to crank my voltages though and wonder if I am pushing too hard. Below my BIOS settings are my prime tests (screen shot taken 23 hrs in or so) and my Real Temp + CPUZ screenshots.



Maximus Formula --> 0308 Rampage BIOS


Everest (benchmark done while Prime95 was running)


Prime95, CPUZ and Real Temp - Is the max of 73 degrees in two of my cpu's cores reason for concern?



I assume my volt #'s REALLY need to come down but I kinda worked my way UP to them just to get a stable boot and Prime run so I don't really know where to start. -- Suggestions would be great.

Mike

73C is a tad high, I would watch that ....

450x8 suggested setup
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 5
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 30
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [7]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : whatever your CPU needs
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53
DRAM Voltage : 2.02
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

[Zucker2k]

Ok fellas... I appreciate the help so far. For the first time I was able to get 8*450 stable for 24 hrs of Prime95. I feel like I REALLY had to crank my voltages though and wonder if I am pushing too hard. Below my BIOS settings are my prime tests (screen shot taken 23 hrs in or so) and my Real Temp + CPUZ screenshots.

MikeTransaction booster is too loose.

[xxDayTrader]

Transaction booster is too loose.

I can move the transaction booster down to 8 but at 7 I hang at DET_RAM. Any suggestions? Or, if I move DRAM Static Read Control to 'ENABLE' I hang at DET_RAM.

[Zucker2k]

I can move the transaction booster down to 8 but at 7 I hang at DET_RAM. Any suggestions? Or, if I move DRAM Static Read Control to 'ENABLE' I hang at DET_RAM.DRAM static to enable 1 is 2 points tighter you know that right? So enable 0 is 1 point tighter; may work.

[xxDayTrader]

DRAM static to enable 1 is 2 points tighter you know that right? So enable 0 is 1 point tighter; may work.

Nope, wasn't aware of that. Most everything I could find on DRAM Static said it didn't really have any effect. I've tried enable with CPL at 8 and I get DET RAM post hang. Enable with 9 might work so I'll try that next. Assuming it works, is one preferable over the other? I haven't contacted Mushkin yet but from what I've read these Redlines tend to like the volts so perhaps bumping up my DRAM Voltage will help? Are you speaking about Ai Twister/Transaction boost that are part of the Maximus Formula? - If so, my Maximus is now a Rampage with 0308 BIOS.

I really wasn't happy with the FSB, PLL and NB #'s I had to use (and the temps I hit) to run 8x450 so I switched gears and moved to 9x400. Compared to almost all the other posts with 9x400 setups, I have to run much higher CPU Voltages but I was able to move all my other #'s down quite a bit vs. the 8x450 setup I had before. Perhaps it's just my chip and/or mobo. This is Prime stable for about 3 hrs..... will run 24hr test tonight. Does this look OK?

Here's where I am so far with 9x400

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 400
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400MHz
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2 800MHz
DRAM Command Rate : Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Auto
CAS# Latency : (5)
RAS# to CAS# Delay : (5)
RAS# Precharge : (5)
RAS# ActivateTime : (18)
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : Manual
CPL: 8
CPU Voltage : 1.54375
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6
North Bridge Voltage : 1.45
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5V

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU Volt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 9
C1E Suppport: DISABLED
Vanderpool: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: DIABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED

[weirkved]

today a new board came from RMA, and im having crashes everytime..

I cant even install windows.

Im using an E8500 and Gskill 2x2gb pc 8800, all settings on default

I have tried all bios of maximus, now im upgradding to rampage..

What do you think? bad board?


Thnks

[MurderCityDevil]

Hey guys i'm thinking about buying 4 more gigs of ram for my board. It currently has 4 gigs (2x2gig) of corsair dominator 8500 which I have running at 1066 5-5-5-15. My question is this - will I be able to run 8 gigs at the same settings, and if so, what kind of nb voltage would I need. I currently have it set at 1.53 (bios), but I think it could go lower. If it's not possible to get 1066 on all sticks, would I still need additional nb voltage just to run all the sticks? Does anyone have a system with 8 gigs of dominators and a q6600 at 3.6? Mine is running at 400x9, with the divider being something wierd, i don't remember the exact ratio. I think that if i ran the ram at 800, I'd be able to use the 1:1 divider and help stability, but I'm concerned about nb temps. Thanks in advance!

[ShawnTRD]

Hi Devil,
I would said you know the answer already. Four sticks is harder on you board then two. What do you need 8GB for anyway? I take it your running a 64-bit OS...

[OVERK|LL]

Hi Devil,
I would said you know the answer already. Four sticks is harder on you board then two. What do you need 8GB for anyway? I take it your running a 64-bit OS...

Probably the same reason I'm doing it: RAM is cheap, so why the hell not? :D

[MJR]

Hey guys i'm thinking about buying 4 more gigs of ram for my board. It currently has 4 gigs (2x2gig) of corsair dominator 8500 which I have running at 1066 5-5-5-15. My question is this - will I be able to run 8 gigs at the same settings, and if so, what kind of nb voltage would I need. I currently have it set at 1.53 (bios), but I think it could go lower. If it's not possible to get 1066 on all sticks, would I still need additional nb voltage just to run all the sticks? Does anyone have a system with 8 gigs of dominators and a q6600 at 3.6? Mine is running at 400x9, with the divider being something wierd, i don't remember the exact ratio. I think that if i ran the ram at 800, I'd be able to use the 1:1 divider and help stability, but I'm concerned about nb temps. Thanks in advance!

I've found the 8g makes it a bit more difficult, but does not limit the OC until you get way up there on this board. Zucker2k has hit some crazy 8gb speeds. Currently I'm FSB CPU limited, not RAM limited.

[youraa]

I've found the 8g makes it a bit more difficult, but does not limit the OC until you get way up there on this board. Zucker2k has hit some crazy 8gb speeds. Currently I'm FSB CPU limited, not RAM limited.

me too stucked to 433 :( but a new graphic card will put a smile on my face :) (good price sold mine good old 8800gts :)

[ShawnTRD]

Hey Zucker2k, Grnfinger,
I've been asking some questions about G.Skill in the Xtreme Bandwidth section, and I guess there recommending:

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 900(PC2 7200) F2-7200CL4D-4GBPI-B $49.99

Or do you think the F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK is better or equal (now $33.99 :shocked:)

[MurderCityDevil]

I need some help...after buying the 2x2gig kit, I cannot post no matter what with all 4 sticks in. Can anyone please post their settings for running 8 gigs at any speed? I currently have rampage bios 0408, and I don't know what the best bios for 8 gigs is. I do not know how much nb voltage I need either.

Both sets pass memtest fine, and all my dimm slots work. I just cannot post with 8 gigs, even at 800 mhz and no overclock.

[ShawnTRD]

What memory are you running? Did you try resetting your BIOS to AUTO? Try BIOS 0410 "Rampage Formula 0410 BIOS: Improvie Memory compatibility"
Might need like 1.47V on the NB.

[Grnfinger]

Hey Zucker2k, Grnfinger,
I've been asking some questions about G.Skill in the Xtreme Bandwidth section, and I guess there recommending:

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 900(PC2 7200) F2-7200CL4D-4GBPI-B $49.99

Or do you think the F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK is better or equal (now $33.99 :shocked:)

I have not used them but I hear good things about them.
My 8500s are nice and will do about 1160-1170MHz if I tweak them.
I have no complaints with teh 8500.


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/1140.png



I need some help...after buying the 2x2gig kit, I cannot post no matter what with all 4 sticks in. Can anyone please post their settings for running 8 gigs at any speed? I currently have rampage bios 0408, and I don't know what the best bios for 8 gigs is. I do not know how much nb voltage I need either.

Both sets pass memtest fine, and all my dimm slots work. I just cannot post with 8 gigs, even at 800 mhz and no overclock.

Set trfc ( row refresh cycle time) to 65
Set your PL to 9 for now.
Set vNB to 1.51-1.53

[Grnfinger]

Gotta double post!
Finally broke 21000 in 3DMark06 :bounces:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9339593

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/3d.jpg

[Zucker2k]

Gotta double post!
Finally broke 21000 in 3DMark06 :bounces:Congratulations mate. :up:

[Grnfinger]

Have you run Vantage yet?
If so what did you get for a score running @4.0GHz?

Heres mine and it seems a tad low imo...

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/vantage1.jpg

[ZenEffect]

Gotta double post!
Finally broke 21000 in 3DMark06 :bounces:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9339593

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/3d.jpg

w00t! you can almost catch me! and i can almost catch you in vantage! :p:

3870x2 + wb on the way to me btw... cost? the cost of shipping :rofl:

my vantage is weak, but good enough for hwbot gold!

[ShawnTRD]

DEE DEE DEE
I ordered the wrong RAM today. I ordered F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK (2 x 1GB), but meant to order F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK (2 x 2GB).. Hope Newegg and get that order out still.

[ZenEffect]

DEE DEE DEE
I ordered the wrong RAM today. I ordered F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK (2 x 1GB), but meant to order F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK (2 x 2GB).. Hope Newegg and get that order out still.

you can always change it before it charges you.

[Zucker2k]

[QUOTE=Grnfinger;3521255]Have you run Vantage yet?
If so what did you get for a score running @4.0GHz?

Heres mine and it seems a tad low imo...

[QUOTE]I haven't run vantage yet, I'm running an old crappy graphics card. :down:

[Zucker2k]

Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year To You All!!! This year was fun, hope next year is even better :banana3: :rehab: :bounce: :party2:

PS: Sorry for the OT and DP.

[kup]

I have not used them but I hear good things about them.
My 8500s are nice and will do about 1160-1170MHz if I tweak them.
I have no complaints with teh 8500.


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/1140.png




Set trfc ( row refresh cycle time) to 65
Set your PL to 9 for now.
Set vNB to 1.51-1.53

Grn,

How are you pushing your G.Skill to 1170MHz? Mine seem to max at about 1140MHz. I seem to remember you saying yours maxed there too?

[MurderCityDevil]

Set trfc ( row refresh cycle time) to 65
Set your PL to 9 for now.
Set vNB to 1.51-1.53

I tried this but could not boot. However, someone on the corsair forums said to try to set the speed at 667 with two sticks in, and then try booting with 4. Do you know if this means the max speed i can use is 667? Because if so, I might just stick with 4 gigs. I think 8 gigs at 667 is going to be worse than 8 gigs at 667. It's almost a 50% reduction in speed.

[ShawnTRD]

with all 4 sticks are you not getting the monitor to turn on at all? No splash screen or anything? What ram are you using? You might have to RMA your motherboard.

[Grnfinger]

:party: http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/christmas_t_3.gif :party:


MERRY CHRISTMAS...I WISH YOU GUYS ALL THE BEST FOR THE NEW YEAR.

[Leeghoofd]

Same to you lads, we are still 5 hours away from Xmas here; have fun and best wishes for 2009

[MurderCityDevil]

with all 4 sticks are you not getting the monitor to turn on at all? No splash screen or anything? What ram are you using? You might have to RMA your motherboard.

im using two sets of corsair dominator 1066 (2x2gig). the version numbers are the same. I'm not sure if it's the motherboard because any combination of two sticks in any two slots will boot and run fine. It seems like no matter what combination of settings I use, the second I populate another slot, the whole system turns into a vegetable and hangs at det_dram, no signal on screen, video card fan running 100%, etc. If someone can tell me for sure it's the motherboard, then i'll just return this set of ram and stick with 4 gigs because it's not worth it for me to go through the hassle. But so far, I have been unable to boot with any settings. I am stumped.

[Grnfinger]

im using two sets of corsair dominator 1066 (2x2gig). the version numbers are the same. I'm not sure if it's the motherboard because any combination of two sticks in any two slots will boot and run fine. It seems like no matter what combination of settings I use, the second I populate another slot, the whole system turns into a vegetable and hangs at det_dram, no signal on screen, video card fan running 100%, etc. If someone can tell me for sure it's the motherboard, then i'll just return this set of ram and stick with 4 gigs because it's not worth it for me to go through the hassle. But so far, I have been unable to boot with any settings. I am stumped.

Your still stumped eh, my Rampage just arrived today!!!!
I have some things to do shortly but in a few hours I'll power the board up and toss in 8GBs of ram, once I get it dial'd in I'll post actual pics of my bios setup.
You could always drop in the OCZ forum section here and ask Tony for advice
he is pretty damn smart ....PM is considerd bad for reps so dont pm him

[ZenEffect]

Your still stumped eh, my Rampage just arrived today!!!!
I have some things to do shortly but in a few hours I'll power the board up and toss in 8GBs of ram, once I get it dial'd in I'll post actual pics of my bios setup.
You could always drop in the OCZ forum section here and ask Tony for advice
he is pretty damn smart ....PM is considerd bad for reps so dont pm him

my 3870x2 just came in today, have a look :p:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/icon22976/21k6thrun.jpg

6th run, and not even on a quad :D

[Grnfinger]

but you need to run 4800MHz to score it:ROTF:
Atleast mines is 24/7 stable:p:
I might volt mod and overclock my card a bit further.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9362364

[kup]

How is that Rampage, dude?

[Zucker2k]

Woah! You guys know it's actually Christmas? :p: Yeah, let's see what Cory can do with that RF.

@Murder; you may need up to .1v more on the NB. Oh, don't forget to set DRAM clk skews to advanced, 200 - 300 on both CH A/B. Goodluck.

[t_ski]

I am back with some info. I changed out the 2x2GB sticks of PC2-8000 G.Skill I have for a pair of 2GB sticks of OCZ platinum 8500. I still can't get them up to rated speed, but at least these will run at PC2-6400 @ 4-4-4-12 (instead of 5-5-5-15 from the G. Skills).

I also took out the cooling and fitted my EK Spreme and S-Max on the board, along with some Enzo MST-81 mosfet sinks. I think the thermal material may have been a big part of the stability issue I saw before, as the stuff that was on there was a thick layer of some kind of rubbery-looking TIM. AND, underneath that stuff they had some blue paste of some kind on the SB & NB. :shakes: I didn't even need the hair-dyer as the heatsinks just lifted right off. :mad: Right now the CPU is running about the same idle as it was before (I think I may need to tighten down the bolts on the Supreme), but load temps are much, much lower. Also, NB temps went from ~65C down to ~24C, even though I'm cranking more volts into it. Oh, and I tried the pencil mod on it, too since everything was out of the case. I have turned off loadline calibration and volts seem pretty solid at 1.4v.

I have it running at 4 GHz (10 x 400MHz) with the ram @ PC2-6400, 4-4-4-12 and it was Priming for nearly 23 hours without failure when I stopped it. I have to reboot sometime soon and get all the BIOS details so I can post them up for your wise scrutiny. :worship:

In the meantime, do any of you have some recommendations for some 1000W+ PSU's that work well with this board? I had a Tt 1200W that worked fine, as long as the CPU was not OC'ed. (The brief power-on, power-off, power-on cycle upon reboot didn't play nice with the caps in the PSU or something, because it never came back up :( ). I'm also worried the Tt 850W I have right now is not enough for the dual 4870X2 cards :(

[Simkin]

what are the benefits of flashing the maximus with rampage bios?

[loften]

my stock maximus se n/b cooler works perfect on my shuttle an35ultra n/b..

[xxDayTrader]

to avoid a repost, here's my last post:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3517644&postcount=7652

I tried the Mushkin forums which were really pretty good in the past but the Mushkin employee who watched the forums is gone.

thanks a lot.....Mike

[Commander_HK47]

Well I've put trying to get a stable 4Ghz with this quad i have to the side and focus on stabilizing a lower speed(3.6). Well i have manged to do that however my memory scores don't seem to be as high as every one else in fact they seem rather low...:(. I was wondering if i could get some advice on how to bring the scores up with this board.

[lohoutlaw]

Sorry to bust in here, but i have a question!

Does any one know the max temp thresholds for the N-bridge and S-bridge on a Asus Rampage Formula?

[Grnfinger]

Sorry to bust in here, but i have a question!

Does any one know the max temp thresholds for the N-bridge and S-bridge on a Asus Rampage Formula?

Intel states 90c is max BUT many would disagree.
In my testing I have found anything above 52c on the NB and stability issues arise...
My advice would be to remove the NB and SB assembly, remove the stock TIM and replace it with AS Ceramique, its a bit of a pain but worth the effort in the long run


Well I've put trying to get a stable 4Ghz with this quad i have to the side and focus on stabilizing a lower speed(3.6). Well i have manged to do that however my memory scores don't seem to be as high as every one else in fact they seem rather low...:(. I was wondering if i could get some advice on how to bring the scores up with this board.

Commander....
Post your bios setup please

We can get the bandwidth up to speed :D


to avoid a repost, here's my last post:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3517644&postcount=7652

I tried the Mushkin forums which were really pretty good in the past but the Mushkin employee who watched the forums is gone.

thanks a lot.....Mike

I have a couple of Mushkin kits, I have many timing setups from Greg, RE-Post your troubles I will help if I can

[lohoutlaw]

Ty :)

[Commander_HK47]

Here they are:


Maximus Formula Converted to a Rampage Formula
BIOS: 0410
Q6600 GO
G.SKILL F2-9600CL5D-4GBPI @1200MHz 2x2GB (5-5-5-15-CL2)

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 400

DRAM Clock CMD Skew CH1 A1 : AUTO
DRAM Clock CMD Skew CH1 A2 : AUTO
DRAM Clock CLK Skew CH1 B1 : AUTO
DRAM Clock CLK Skew CH1 B2 : AUTO

FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto/(266)
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1203
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 52
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [5]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.425
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53
DRAM Voltage : 2.0
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO

[Grnfinger]

Here they are:




Do this one at a time and retest with Everest...

Enable Dram Static Read Control
Clock Twister..Start with Stronger, back off alevel at a time if there is stability issues..
You might have to test PL levels with clock twister
ie..PL6 with clock twister stronger may perform better than PL 5 and clock twister moderate.

Timing looks decent there might be room for adjustments

Play with your Dram static and adjust your PL and clock twister first, play around with a few combos and try to find the best for your hardware, after its stable we can tighten the timing if you like...

[kup]

Grn, those settings kill my Rampage. :( How did you work up to them?

[Grnfinger]

Grn, those settings kill my Rampage. :( How did you work up to them?

KILLED???? :shocked:
I had slowly backed off till the system booted, then used memset till the bugger would pass memtest. used them for a month or so with no troubles.
Please say your board is not actually dead

you could try this, it got my Mushkins 1200MHz stable

*In Brackets are timings that can be optimized later, outside of the brackets is a good starting point*
CAS# Latency - 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay - 5
RAS# PRE Time - 5
RAS# ACT time - 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay - 4(3-4)
Ref Cycle Time - 55
Write Recovery Time - 6(3-6)
READ to PRE Time - 4(2-5)

READ to Write Delay (S/D) - 9 (7-10)
WRITE to READ Delay (S) - 5 (3-6)
WRITE to READ Delay (D) - 5 (4-6)
READ to READ Delay (S) - 4 (3-5)
READ to READ Delay (S) - 6 (5-7)
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S) - 4 (3-5)
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D) - 6 (5-7)

DRAM Static Read Control - Disabled (Enabled)
Ai Clock Twister - Light (Strong)
Transaction Booster - Disabled
Relax Level - 2 (0-3)

Just adapt it for Rampage bios as this was done on MF bios 1004

[Commander_HK47]

Here are my results with Static read control and CLKTWR
Stress test included 10 pass run with IBT 1.9, unless stated otherwise:

PL SRC CLKTWR Read Write Copy Lantency Notes
5 D Auto 9157 7300 8132 55.6 (IBT stable)

5 E Auto 9209 7300 8153 55.4 (IBT stable)

5 E Stronger N/A N/A N/A N/A (would not post)

5 E Strong 9367 7300 8170 54.1 (pass 9/10 IBT)

5 E Moderate 9400 7300 8170 54.0 (IBT stable)

6 E Auto 9200 7150 8120 55.0 (stablity not tested)

6 E Stronger N/A N/A N/A N/A (would post but stop at USB itn)

6 E Strong 9150 7100 7999 55.1 (Stability not tested)

[Grnfinger]

hmm those seem not so good for 1200
heres mine at 500FSB/1200 ram

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/TEST3_500.png

24/7 setting with e8400 @ 4.3GHz

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/test2-3.png

Q6700 3.6GHz 24/7 setting

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/test16700.png

So there is room for improvement, let me try some setting with my 8800 kit, from my understanding there the reject ic's from your 9600 kit

Why not try alittle different setup, 450x8, the higher FSB will improve bandwidth. You can still run ram at 1200MHz

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/1200.png

[Commander_HK47]

What bios version are you using? I read that people get better results with the 308 bios do you have any exp with that bios in that regard?

[Grnfinger]

Bios 308 is best imo for stability and bandwidth, if your not running 308 I would recommend it

[kup]

KILLED???? :shocked:
I had slowly backed off till the system booted, then used memset till the bugger would pass memtest. used them for a month or so with no troubles.
Please say your board is not actually dead

you could try this, it got my Mushkins 1200MHz stable

*In Brackets are timings that can be optimized later, outside of the brackets is a good starting point*
CAS# Latency - 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay - 5
RAS# PRE Time - 5
RAS# ACT time - 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay - 4(3-4)
Ref Cycle Time - 55
Write Recovery Time - 6(3-6)
READ to PRE Time - 4(2-5)

READ to Write Delay (S/D) - 9 (7-10)
WRITE to READ Delay (S) - 5 (3-6)
WRITE to READ Delay (D) - 5 (4-6)
READ to READ Delay (S) - 4 (3-5)
READ to READ Delay (S) - 6 (5-7)
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S) - 4 (3-5)
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D) - 6 (5-7)

DRAM Static Read Control - Disabled (Enabled)
Ai Clock Twister - Light (Strong)
Transaction Booster - Disabled
Relax Level - 2 (0-3)

Just adapt it for Rampage bios as this was done on MF bios 1004

Didn't kill it outright, but had some crazy bios error with the POST *BEEP* having some kind of fit, BEEPING about 30times a second!!! :rofl: A full CMOS clear and then a fresh flash (just to be safe) and all was back to normal. I'll have to give 'em a tweak tomorrow because I quite fancy working on it again.

[Grnfinger]

Didn't kill it outright, but had some crazy bios error with the POST *BEEP* having some kind of fit, BEEPING about 30times a second!!! :rofl: A full CMOS clear and then a fresh flash (just to be safe) and all was back to normal. I'll have to give 'em a tweak tomorrow because I quite fancy working on it again.

Jeebus man you had me thinking I'll killed your board...
I have a few different timing setups that can get your ram to max MHz.
I'll pm them to you shortly, just about to bench a bit atm

[Commander_HK47]

Big jump Grnfinger, but not at or past the 10K mark i would like to be at(like you guys). Never the less thank you so far. IBT stable,

PL6, Static read control Enabled, & Clock Twister :Moderate.

[Grnfinger]

Try enabling the phase pull ins, that should get you a little more.

[Commander_HK47]

I did, However the system would not post after enablling them (3 per channel / 2 channels) system would not post. Ill be honest i don't know much about how the phase pull ins work(what needs to be increased if anything to get them to work).

[carepolice]

Have you run Vantage yet?
If so what did you get for a score running @4.0GHz?

Heres mine and it seems a tad low imo...

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/vantage1.jpg

I afraid that this wont help any, but result of mine Q9550 @ 3.8Ghz
http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00328/3273055.jpg (http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=3273055.jpg)
Just if you want to compare, My 4870 was 760/950 so i could say that nearly on stock setting

[Grnfinger]

ah I squeezed alittle more out of my card and broke 10000, looks like is time to go gpu shopping, I seem to be at the limit with this one...

[crosshairs]

subscribed.....gonna read this later...

[lohoutlaw]

Just wanted to share my little O/C.

Seeing and ready some what most of the end of this thread, i see other people are seeing the "auto" voltage setting is over-volting as well.

After a few adjustments i have seen some amazing O/C's with my E8600.

Mind you that this is on air and max load temps were 69c at 1.42v (bios)

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/lohoutlaw/40-2000fsb.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/lohoutlaw/44-2200.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/lohoutlaw/45-1800fsb.jpg

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=471360

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/lohoutlaw/46stable-2.jpg

So for the large photo :(

[ZenEffect]

ah I squeezed alittle more out of my card and broke 10000, looks like is time to go gpu shopping, I seem to be at the limit with this one...

what did you get your card clocks up to?

mine stabilized at 945/1080 (both cores/mem)

[OVERK|LL]

Tried BIOS 701. Was able to get my RAM to 925 with it.... Would only do 771 with 308. Probably sustained a bandwidth penalty though.

[Inpanic]

Hey guys. Nice FAQ BTW

Is it possible to flash a maximus extreme to rampage extreme? I believe its the same board only the DDR3 is the different. Thx for answer

[t_ski]

OK, I'm back with the new and improved settings. I want to get this up and running at 1066 for the ram (should be 5-5-5-15 according to SPD @2.1v), but every time I set it that way (only changing the divider and the timings above) I get a DET RAM hang. Suggestions??? Right now I am testing the NB strap @ 333 and the ram @ 962, 5-5-5-15. Boots OK, and bandwidth was about 7777 MB/s.


Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 10
FSB Frequency : 400
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 800
DRAM Command Rate : 2t
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Auto

CPU Voltage : 1.41875 (1.4 actual)
CPU PLL Voltage : Auto (1.616 actual)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.63 (1.648 actual)
DRAM Voltage : 2.04 (2.112 actual)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.52 (1.44 actual)
South Bridge Voltage : 1.10 (1.12 actual)
Loadline Calibration : disabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto (1.056 actual)
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.55 (1.584 actual)

Also, I am still looking for suggestions on a new PSU to power this board. Thermaltake 1200W is out, as I know the two I tried didn't work well with this board. Any other ideas?

EDIT:

Doing some more testing. I have set the strap to 266 and lowered the multi. I have manually set the PL @ 6. I have slowly increased the FSB up to 420 MHz, and then to 425 MHz 1 MHz at a time. I can boot at 424 MHz, which puts the ram at 1061. However, if I go up just 1 more MHz to 425, the ram goes to 1066, and the mobo does a "soft" power-off before rebooting. When it comes back up, I have the DET DRAM hang.

Why can't I get over the wall? :(

[Commander_HK47]

Has any one removed the IHS from the north bridge chipset and if so how?(without destroying the MB in the process).

[ChaosMinionX]

Hey guys. Nice FAQ BTW

Is it possible to flash a maximus extreme to rampage extreme? I believe its the same board only the DDR3 is the different. Thx for answer

I would imagine the same thing could be done for Extremes, as is done for the formulas.... Good time to be a Guinea Pig ey? :p:

[Zucker2k]

Have you run Vantage yet?
If so what did you get for a score running @4.0GHz?

Heres mine and it seems a tad low imo...I think it is; went to the microcenter yesterday for parts for a build and picked up a BFG NV GTX 260 OC. Here are my stock results @ 4Ghz (Q9550 @ 8.5 x 471).

[Inpanic]

Damn, i think Maximus extreme to Rampage extreme dont works perfect.... U cant config ur voltage settings... dunno why (i think the bios are different or so)

[Grnfinger]

Has any one removed the IHS from the north bridge chipset and if so how?(without destroying the MB in the process).

Its rather simple, remove the screws, pull on the NB ( you might have to take a screw driver and use the dimm slot for leverage and GENTLY pry up on the NB)
Once you remove it, settle in for a while you now get to remove the cement like tim.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/DSCF0128-1.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/DSCF0126-2.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/DSCF0127-1.jpg

[Grnfinger]

I think it is; went to the microcenter yesterday for parts for a build and picked up a BFG NV GTX 260 OC. Here are my stock results @ 4Ghz (Q9550 @ 8.5 x 471).

I'm going to get a 4870X2 2GB I think, cant go green as much as I would like to:rofl:
I would like to toss another 3870X2 for crossfire, but dont want to make the investment if it wont pay off...

[Zucker2k]

I'm going to get a 4870X2 2GB I think, cant go green as much as I would like to:rofl:
I would like to toss another 3870X2 for crossfire, but dont want to make the investment if it wont pay off...Yeah, if I had the dough, I might have considered x2 on the red team, even though I think the 295 x2 is going to be the new bad boy for a bit. I'll be overclocking the card in the next few minutes, see what it's about. :up:

[Grnfinger]

great this will give me chance to see what the card can do,
I got my 3870 to 900/1000 atm, will push it harder on Vantage after a few 3d06 runs, need a better HWBOT score :D

[Zucker2k]

great this will give me chance to see what the card can do,
I got my 3870 to 900/1000 atm, will push it harder on Vantage after a few 3d06 runs, need a better HWBOT score :DFirst oc. in; vantage next, then bump cores/freq. again. Not looking bad so far for air; fan @ 75%.

No.1 on the ORB for similarly configured systems.

[xxDayTrader]

Hello again fellas. I'm new to this and kinda need to know where to go / what to work on next. This is my first oc so I'm doing a lot of reading and learning as I go. Here's my current setup and, at the risk of sounding like a 'tard, I guess I don't know what the next step is or what I should focus on from here to improve my system performance. I'll try to not ask too many questions along the way (plus, I know I learn better the more research I do).

9x400 BIOS Settings (24hr prime stable)

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 400
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400MHz
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2 800MHz
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : (5)
RAS# to CAS# Delay : (5)
RAS# Precharge : (5)
RAS# ActivateTime : (15)
RAS# to RAS# Delay : auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : auto
Write Recovery Time : auto
Read to Precharge Time : auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
CPL: 8
CPU Voltage : 1.54375
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.6
North Bridge Voltage : 1.55
DRAM Voltage : 2.00
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_REF + 10mv
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5V

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU Volt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 9
C1E Suppport: DISABLED
Vanderpool: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: DIABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED



http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/TheMowler/9x400stable.jpg

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/TheMowler/9x400stableEverestand3DMark.jpg

[Zucker2k]

Hello again fellas. I'm new to this and kinda need to know where to go / what to work on next. This is my first oc so I'm doing a lot of reading and learning as I go. Here's my current setup and, at the risk of sounding like a 'tard, I guess I don't know what the next step is or what I should focus on from here to improve my system performance. I'll try to not ask too many questions along the way (plus, I know I learn better the more research I do).Hmm, your statement is a bit vague because it seems you don't have a overclocking goal in mind, like a definite target? Systems can be improved always depending on how far you want to go to "improve" them. In short, what is your target overclock? Not bad at all, but certainly can be improved.

Vantage scores:

[xxDayTrader]

Hmm, your statement is a bit vague because it seems you don't have a overclocking goal in mind, like a definite target? Systems can be improved always depending on how far you want to go to "improve" them. In short, what is your target overclock? Not bad at all, but certainly can be improved.

Vantage scores:

Heh, I guess therein lies the problem. I don't have a "target" because I don't really know WTF I could/shoot shoot for. Perhaps that's where I could use some direction. I've basically hit a wall with my knowledge and don't know what I should be trying to accomplish.

..... I hope that makes some sense and.....THANKS for the reply (from one Michigander to another ;) )

[Grnfinger]

Nice score m8 :clap:

Heres my 3d06 @ 900/1000, going to push it further to see what I can get.

[Zucker2k]

Nice score m8 :clap:Thanks, you too. 22k is within reach. I'm at 1992 now 3dm 06, better watch out with that x2, I may be cranking things on the cpu side :D (8.5x500). I think I'm nearing shader limits as it won't do 1600 (3200) without artifacts. I may be able to squeeze a little bit more on the core and the memory. I wonder what the limits of these cards are, would be nice to compare my ocs to some others.


Heh, I guess therein lies the problem. I don't have a "target" because I don't really know WTF I could/shoot shoot for. Perhaps that's where I could use some direction. I've basically hit a wall with my knowledge and don't know what I should be trying to accomplish.

..... I hope that makes some sense and.....THANKS for the reply (from one Michigander to another ;) )Oh hi, mate! Didn't notice; weather is looking good today, don't know about the winds though. Anyway, generally speaking, it all depends on your hardware and cooling.

Best thing to do right now is to shoot for that 3.6ghz "standard" of the G0s. I suggest 8x450 for a nice speed boost.

There are many OC profiles on the first page you can use. I suggest you begin there and then ask for help if and when you ran into problems.

[t_ski]

Has any one removed the IHS from the north bridge chipset and if so how?(without destroying the MB in the process).


Its rather simple, remove the screws, pull on the NB ( you might have to take a screw driver and use the dimm slot for leverage and GENTLY pry up on the NB)
Once you remove it, settle in for a while you now get to remove the cement like tim.

Grnfinger, I think he's referring to the IHS on the NB, not the NB heatsink. To my knowledge, the only ones I saw that had been removed got killed in the process.

On, to my latest struggle...

When I set the FSB to 425, it hangs at DET DRAM. So I looked at the OCZ site for my ram, and it says 2.1v - 2.3v, but not to exceed 2.1v if it says so on the lable. Mine seemed perfectly stable at 2.1v, so I didn't think anything of it before. I looked at the stickers and it says 1066, 5-5-15 at 2.2v. So I bumped up the juice to 2.21v and it posted, but locked up on the post screen. I reset it and upped the voltage again to 2.3v, and it posted again, at least occasionally. Sometimes I would get a weird error saying "New CPU installed. Update the BIOS to take full advantage of the features for this CPU." Other times I got a Bootmgr error and Windows wouldn't load :eek: The CMOS wouldn't reset right away for that one either - it took a little trying :(

I was up to almost 2:00 am last night working on the FSB issue. I got tired of trying to figure out why it wouldn't hit 425 FSB and ran Prime at 9 x 424 (3.8 GHz). It went for over 9 hours error free. :confused:

Included for your viewing pleasure is a MemSet ss. Any suggestions for getting over the 1063 MHz wall would be appreciated.

[xxDayTrader]

Oh hi, mate! Didn't notice; weather is looking good today, don't know about the winds though. Anyway, generally speaking, it all depends on your hardware and cooling.

Best thing to do right now is to shoot for that 3.6ghz "standard" of the G0s. I suggest 8x450 for a nice speed boost.

There are many OC profiles on the first page you can use. I suggest you begin there and then ask for help if and when you ran into problems.

I tried every one of them and either hung at DET RAM or had stability issues. I was eventually able to get things stable at 8x450 for a 24hr Prime run by increasing my voltages one by one but they had to be much higher than any others I saw around here/the net and my temps got pretty high during the stress test. Here were my 8x450 settings from a previous post here...if you see where I might have messed something up please feel free to correct me:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3514854&postcount=7647

For now, I'm using all my 9x450 settings but had to change CPL from 8 to 9 or I got BSOD when the OS tried to load (post was fine). I'm wondering if I had one of my CPU Config settings different than I do now or had something else changed because I didn't figure I'd get anything other than BSOD with these CPU, PLL, NB, and so on volt settings. Will start Prime and see what happens.

[Zucker2k]

I tried every one of them and either hung at DET RAM or had stability issues. I was eventually able to get things stable at 8x450 for a 24hr Prime run by increasing my voltages one by one but they had to be much higher than any others I saw around here/the net and my temps got pretty high during the stress test. Here's my 8x450 settings from a previous post here...if you see where I might have messed something up please feel free to correct me:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3514854&postcount=7647I think both your nb and cpupll volts are too high for that overclock. You'll be surprised, but I'm sure even all auto settings would give you lower volts and still stable.

First off, run on the 333 strap, set both gtls to 67, advance both DRAm clockskews to 300 each
Set PL to 8
Too high vcore can also become a problem but you should generally add .40v for that 400mhz difference between 3.2 and 3.6ghz.
I'll set pll to 1.60v (real), check hardware info section in bios
NB to 1.55v
Run ram 1:1 so 900mhz 5-5-5-15 (you can tighten things later) set full max recommended volts too; test later with memtest if you're still having problems

Hopefully, this is not a cpu wall. remember, not all chips can do 3.6ghz stable. Goodluck.

[xxDayTrader]

Prime went for 5 minutes then got an error.... suggestions?

91625


EDIT: just noticed the post above this one. Will try those recommendations.

......and thanks again, thanks a lot.

[xxDayTrader]

I think both your nb and cpupll volts are too high for that overclock. You'll be surprised, but I'm sure even all auto settings would give you lower volts and still stable.

First off, run on the 333 strap, set both gtls to 67, advance both DRAm clockskews to 300 each
Set PL to 8
Too high vcore can also become a problem but you should generally add .40v for that 400mhz difference between 3.2 and 3.6ghz.
I'll set pll to 1.60v (real), check hardware info section in bios
NB to 1.55v
Run ram 1:1 so 900mhz 5-5-5-15 (you can tighten things later) set full max recommended volts too; test later with memtest if you're still having problems

Hopefully, this is not a cpu wall. remember, not all chips can do 3.6ghz stable. Goodluck.

made all your recommended changes but I have 2 questions:
1. Re. vcore... you suggested adding .4v because I moved from 3.2 to 3.6ghz. Are you suggesting I increase the vcore from 1.54 to 1.58? --- just want to clarify

2. My PLL voltage... No matter WHAT I change it to, when I check the hardware section in the bios to see what it's 'really' at, I get the same reading: 1.68 or 1.69. I changed it down and checked, moved it down/rebooted/rechecked and still the same thing..... it always reads 1.68 or 1.68.

Other than that, all the other suggestions have been applied and I'll give Prime another shot.

Mike

[Zucker2k]

made all your recommended changes but I have 2 questions:
1. Re. vcore... you suggested adding .4v because I moved from 3.2 to 3.6ghz. Are you suggesting I increase the vcore from 1.54 to 1.58? --- just want to clarify

2. My PLL voltage... No matter WHAT I change it to, when I check the hardware section in the bios to see what it's 'really' at, I get the same reading: 1.68 or 1.69. I changed it down and checked, moved it down/rebooted/rechecked and still the same thing..... it always reads 1.68 or 1.68.

Other than that, all the other suggestions have been applied and I'll give Prime another shot.

MikeYou need 1.54v for 3.2Ghz?

[Commander_HK47]

Its rather simple, remove the screws, pull on the NB ( you might have to take a screw driver and use the dimm slot for leverage and GENTLY pry up on the NB)
Once you remove it, settle in for a while you now get to remove the cement like tim.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/Grnfinger/DSCF0126-2.jpg


I think i may have miss spoke. I meant the actual IHS(the silver shim that is glued on top of the north bridge like a CPU has).

I also have a heat gun that is capable of up to 500C(did not use it at that setting). That is how i go the "cement" like TIM of in under a minute. I would just like to know where the resistors and such are so i don't cut into them with a utility blade.

[Commander_HK47]

Hey xxDayTrader, just out of curiosity do you have the 8 pin supplemental power connector plugged in? The one that sits behind the IO connectors.

[xxDayTrader]

Hey xxDayTrader, just out of curiosity do you have the 8 pin supplemental power connector plugged in? The one that sits behind the IO connectors.

YES, I do. Do my numbers look suspect? I'll recheck to make sure the plugs are seated firmly though.


You need 1.54v for 3.2Ghz?

No, I don't recall what I needed for 3.2 to be honest. I was 24hr stable at 8*450 with 1.55625 vcore and 1.76 PLL. Now, I believe I've got vcore at 1.54 and PLL at 1.6.

Does this help:
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/TheMowler/Hardwaremonitor.jpg

[Commander_HK47]

see if you can post with this:

Bios:
CPU v: 1.45
CPU PLL: 1.5
FSB Term V 1.4
North bridge 1.53~1.55

If your using the 400 FBS strap use:
static read to enabled
AI Clock Twister to light(for now)
set your memory PL to auto(for the moment as its a wired bug with this board then for 450FSB set no lower than PL 6, but start at 8 or 7 then walk it down between post).

Also a good rule of thumb i have found with this board; change the voltage/save before you change the multiplier/frequency/PL values in the bios.

[xxDayTrader]

see if you can post with this:

Bios:
CPU v: 1.45
CPU PLL: 1.5
FSB Term V 1.4
North bridge 1.53~1.55

If your using the 400 FBS strap use:
static read to enabled
AI Clock Twister to light(for now)
set your memory PL to auto(for the moment as its a wired bug with this board then for 450FSB set no lower than PL 6, but start at 8 or 7 then walk it down between post).

Also a good rule of thumb i have found with this board; change the voltage/save before you change the multiplier/frequency/PL values in the bios.

Zucker had me change it to the 333 Strap.

For what it's worth, when set to Auto, booted into Windows and restarted I got the following settings in the BIOS Hardware section:

CPU Vcore 1.46
PLL 1.616
NB 1.63
DRAM set to 2.20 by me (this is the max Mushkin "recommends")

Anyway, left in AUTO for those 3 settings (and FSB Strap @ 333) I tried Prime and after about 1 minuted I got BSOD.

Commander, I'll try those just for S&G. :up:

[xxDayTrader]

see if you can post with this:

Bios:
CPU v: 1.45
CPU PLL: 1.5
FSB Term V 1.4
North bridge 1.53~1.55



Actuals were:
CPU v: 1.44
PLL : 1.60
FSB Term: 1.45
NB : 1.55

POST was OK but BSOD as OS was loading up.

[t_ski]

I think i may have miss spoke. I meant the actual IHS(the silver shim that is glued on top of the north bridge like a CPU has).

I also have a heat gun that is capable of up to 500C(did not use it at that setting). That is how i go the "cement" like TIM of in under a minute. I would just like to know where the resistors and such are so i don't cut into them with a utility blade.

I don't think you really need to worry about it. Throw a waterblock on it and you should be good. I have 1.65v going into mine and temps are always around 25C.

Otherwise, if you're still insistant, you could do a google search for dead ones :rofl:

[ZenEffect]

Nice score m8 :clap:

Heres my 3d06 @ 900/1000, going to push it further to see what I can get.

nice score! lets both push for 22k today, me on dual you on quad :up:

[Commander_HK47]

I don't think you really need to worry about it. Throw a waterblock on it and you should be good. I have 1.65v going into mine and temps are always around 25C.

Otherwise, if you're still insistant, you could do a google search for dead ones :rofl:

The reason why i ask is because i have not move to water cooling yet so i am stuck with the default maxims formula(non SE)north bridge heat sink atm. Leaving me to have to fight to cool the north bridge so it stays under 55c

[ZenEffect]

The reason why i ask is because i have not move to water cooling yet so i am stuck with the default maxims formula(non SE)north bridge heat sink atm. Leaving me to have to fight to cool the north bridge so it stays under 55c

what voltage are you using? i can run up to 540fsb with the rampage mod @ 1.53 which keeps the nb at 48c. that is with the factory heatsink with a antec spot fan on it. i did however re-do the thermal material *to tell you the truth for me it was very easy because there was no cement or anything like that... seemed like it was already done with mx2, so i re-did it with ceramique.

[Commander_HK47]

1.53 Bios, Everest says 1.57. I have not tested lower though... currently IBTing and NB is at 61, SB is at 57

[ZenEffect]

1.53 Bios, Everest says 1.57. I have not tested lower though... currently IBTing and NB is at 61, SB is at 57

test lower nb volts. my nb sets the voltage dead on, yours is obviously over volting. try 1.49? what fsb are u running?

[t_ski]

If you remove the IHS, you may not be able to get the stock heatsink as tight. Sort of like the Athlon chips and how clip-on heatsinks no longer worked with the RM in stock condition. Yo may have to do some modifying to get it to sit again.

Before I did have better luck with air cooling when I had a fan directly on the NB heatsink. TBH though, it would have been a lot better if I had just replaced the TIM. After seeing what mine looked like when I took it off for watercooling, I wonder how it ever got cool at all with the stock TIM. :mad:

[ChaosMinionX]

Been having a strange problem lately of my Western Digital 500GB HDD dropping in Vista and going from NTFS to uninitialized and then getting converted to RAW where I have to recover the data and reformat the drive as NTFS.... Does anyone know what the problem could be? Its a rather new drive on Rampage Formula 407, and I am using RAID mode but this drive is not part of an array.

I also ran Spinrite on the drive, and nothing came up out of the ordinary.

[OVERK|LL]

Is it an REII?

[ChaosMinionX]

Yep

[elvislee58]

Any people have flash the new RF bios (701) on MF??

[MJR]

yeah. seems on par, nothing special, but all I have to compare it to is 0601. Also, didn't solve the 430 fsb wall with 45nm quadcore.

[loften]

i took a old socket a cpu heat sink. i hacked it up, drilled a few holes, lapped it, put a small fan on it, put it on my n/b with artic silver and it stays much cooler then the stock se block did..

[ChaosMinionX]

yeah. seems on par, nothing special, but all I have to compare it to is 0601. Also, didn't solve the 430 fsb wall with 45nm quadcore.

That 430 FSB wall only seems to occur on X38, X48 flies past it with ease.