9800GTX information sum-up (including nude PCB leak pic)

[cookerjc]

GPU-Z (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2797949&postcount=25):

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72986&stc=1&d=1203998283

9800GTX Spec (http://en.expreview.com/2008/02/23/more-details-on-9800gtx/):

http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/02/23/9800GTX.jpg

Leak Pic and 3Mark03 Score (http://en.expreview.com/2008/03/05/leak%ef%bc%819800gtx-sample-pics-are-everywhere/):

http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/03/05/9800GTX-18.jpg
Up: 8800GTX
Down: 9800GTX

3DMark 06 Score (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178457&page=7):

http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/02/28/06_9800gtx_4Ghz_1.jpg

[Omastar]

Slightly higher than my 3DMark06 score using 24/7 clocks on an 8800GT...here's to hoping this card has a lot of headroom.

[Morais]

Is it a 8800GTX near the 9800 GTX?

[Nanometer]

Yes, that's an 8800GTX, most likely the 9800 part below that.

[pauldovi]

Weak. Is this all Nvidia can come up with after 15 months?

[ChinStrap]

yeah, it has to be the lower one. that first top picture is deff a g80 core

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

That PWM section is WAY better.

[Jowy Atreides]

Weak. Is this all Nvidia can come up with after 15 months?

no, this is just what they want to sell after 15 months.
nvidia wants max profit untill ati release the 4000 series

[hecktic]

no, this is just what they want to sell after 15 months.
nvidia wants max profit untill ati release the 4000 series

BINGO :up:

Heres for a big slap in the face to nvidia and a kick in the rear for playing games with the gamers and enthusiats wanting a better video card after all this time has gone by and the card we expected to be the next best thing.. 9800gtx is anything but that :hehe: :hehe: :slap: :slap: :slap: :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: :stick: :horse: :hammer: :hitself: :fight: :wierd: :slash: :cord: :dammit:

[hollo]

overclocked 8800 GTS

so fail

[shiznit93]

This card is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing pointless. And why is it bigger than G92 GT/GTS? It's the same :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing thing! It's even bigger than 8800GTX, what the hell is going on here?

I might but ATI this round out of spite.

[mu||et]

To make this a true ring of failure they will have to make a 9800GT.

[Dainas]

Wow, that is once big busy looking PCB for how little there is going on. Unless this thing OC's by +150mhz out of the box that fancy PWM looks like a big waste.

[Omastar]

Does anyone know what that small, black wire connected to the PCB (near the TV-out port) is? :confused:

http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/03/05/9800GTX-12.jpg

[lionel57000]

9800 gtx seems to be a big fake

and the 3dmark score is taller due to the cpu, not the gpu ....

my 8800gtx will run well for a long time again lol

[fhpchris]

Does anyone know what that small, black wire connected to the PCB (near the TV-out port) is? :confused:

http://en.expreview.com/img/2008/03/05/9800GTX-12.jpg

TOSLINK?

[hollo]

yeah, it seems to have S/PDIF optical out, but no coaxial or HDMI?
unless that port beside it is coaxial, but i thought it would be s-video
i guess manufacturers put whatever connections they want on different models anyway

[Yukon Trooper]

What a piece of crap. Mostly because I'm pissed off, but also because it's a steaming pile of crap.

[HKPolice]

If it doesn't OC to 1Ghz+ on aftermarket air, then it's totally useless.

[largon]

I see 4 vGPU phases, 2 vDD phases and one for vDDQ - so it matches G80GTX atleast for power specs. Everything else is of course a step backwards from G80GTX.

[Omastar]

yeah, it seems to have S/PDIF optical out, but no coaxial or HDMI?
unless that port beside it is coaxial, but i thought it would be s-video
i guess manufacturers put whatever connections they want on different models anyway

Huh. I didn't see anything about S/PDIF mentioned in that article, nor have I ever heard anything about the 9800GTX having TOSLINK capability. An HDMI port would be more practical, ala the 9800GX2.

[cookerjc]

Huh. I didn't see anything about S/PDIF mentioned in that article, nor have I ever heard anything about the 9800GTX having TOSLINK capability. An HDMI port would be more practical, ala the 9800GX2.

That's a Power LED. when you boot your rig the little thing will shine

[Yukon Trooper]

That's a Power LED. when you boot your rig the little thing will shine
Nifty! That totally makes up for the performance!

[AC3421]

pffft, my 8800GT's will rape this thing.

Then again its totally understandable for Nvidia to basically just rename the 8800GTX and make it bigger. ATi proves no competition right now and you can bet your ass they have something HUGE waiting for ATi to release there next next gen card.

[Omastar]

pffft, my 8800GT's will rape this thing.

Then again its totally understandable for Nvidia to basically just rename the 8800GTX and make it bigger. ATi proves no competition right now and you can bet your ass they have something HUGE waiting for ATi to release there next next gen card.

HD3870 is pretty good competition if you ask quite a few people. It's sure a step up from 2900XT fame in terms of power efficiency:performance. Seems like it's much more than 'no' competition to me.

[Warboy]

Nvidia is saving the best for last, Thats why I'll buy a 9800GX2 from eVGA then just step up to the "G100" when its released to battle the R700s

[Disaster_Master]

I think Nvidia is just trying out the new 65nm proces until the release a new series. And by doing so just squeeze as much money out of the g80 design.

[emoners]

hmmm not much improvement from 8800GTX :(

[donitsi]

This is crap and 9800GTS not supporting 3-way sli
They are raping the customers :shakes:

Luckily there is not that much time to the R700 and G100 ( or what that codename was again??) launch :cool:

[munim]

I'm 100% sure that they're just sitting on their real next gen stuff until it's actually needed in the market, in the economic sense.

[ShArKo]

I thing that the 9800GTX its a big fake......Theirs no "revolution" in this card like was 8800GTX.......


Maybe need to wait the G100 series.......

[BobyTT]

From what i saw so far, my GTX its going to last for few more months until NVIDIA or ATI/AMD show me something that is worth it to replace GTX.

[largon]

HD3870 is pretty good competition if you ask quite a few people. It's sure a step up from 2900XT fame in terms of power efficiency:performance. Seems like it's much more than 'no' competition to me.Competition as in performance is what ATi can't offer - without Crossfir, that's the problem. Performance per $ is has never been what drives high-end. Unfortunately, performance-wise ATi has been completely stagnant since R600 launched so nV has no reason to push anything innovative (= expensive) out because there's no competition even for the 1½ year old 8800GTX.

[flopper]

Competition as in performance is what ATi can't offer - without Crossfir, that's the problem. Performance per $ is has never been what drives high-end. Unfortunately, performance-wise ATi has been completely stagnant since R600 launched so nV has no reason to push anything innovative (= expensive) out because there's no competition even for the 1½ year old 8800GTX.

well, Nvidia dont get my vote if ati gets a good card out.

[kromosto]

can decide what to get after my 7800gtx hate this

[K404]

Well technically Intel have shown that customers dont care how the performance is generated, as long as its there. (dual-die quads)

The 3870X2 is the king of the hill. The GTS and GTX cant compete, and even if the GX2 wins in every single bench, it looks like it will be 40%+ more expensive, which makes it a shallow victory?

[Psycho_eddie]

Well at least its a got a black PCB, i wanted to have Watercooled 8800Ultra SLI but proved to expensive so hopefully this if price is right will look very slick and be appealing in performence if OC's well :shrug:

[Calmatory]

Yeah, we can say that 8800Ultra is the king, but AGAIN, who cares? Just because Nvidia has these "Act of desperation"-type of cards no one has, it doesn't mean that Nvidia is the king. Well, right now it is for sure, but just see any ATI card thread "But but Nvidia is teh king with 8800 Ultra lol its gtx almost 2 yrs old and ati can't compete im happy I bought the gtx lol!". It's like people look at what K|ngp|n benches with and decide the "side" by looking at top5 3Dmark scores (cherry-picked cards and CPUs and almost free LN2 for the skills!).

Same applies to ATI aswell, though it seems it has none of these "Take the crown!" cards. Something to compare is Intel EE's and AMD FX's.

What I want people to realize is that 8800Ultra etc. are just for the PR. It really seems people think that "Umg 8800 Ultra Nvidia > ati lol!" "FX-57 SuperPI AMD > intel lohl".

And no, I got no external ATI cards here, but 4 Nvidias. And yes, G80&G92 are great. ;)

[cozwin]

im a little disgusted on this re spinning of the 92 on all the ranges the only difference has been 96 so far its taking the piss how many times can you re release a card with small clock changes?

[Yakyb]

http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2008/02/29/the_sea_of_grey/1

interesting take on the 3870 vs Nvidia's offering

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03/05/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2_caught_on_camera/1

mention of g98 anyone have a clue or is that the name given to the g92 refresh?

[grimREEFER]

well, if they incorporate new AA modes into the 9800gtx, it will easily be better than the ultra. thats a big if though.

[horn_]

That's a Power LED. when you boot your rig the little thing will shine

Sorry this is a bit off topic, but who is that in your avatar? She's beautiful :(

[Pillo-kun]

I am kinda confused, som say 8800ultra/gtx is still the performance crowned king and some say that the 3870x2 is the top dog, what gives?
when the r600(2900xt) came out many sites said that it was as good as the 8800gtx maybe loosing out max 5fps. now people say like that the 8800gtx/ultra is like double the power of a 3870 card.

[kromosto]

Sorry this is a bit off topic, but who is that in your avatar? She's beautiful :(

"love can bloom in anywhere even on battlefield" snake - mgs twin snakes.

[One_Hertz]

Please, PLEASE noone buy this card. This kinda crap can't be tolerated. Get an 8800 series if you must go with Nvidia, they will still be around for a little while.

[Garrett]

This card is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing pointless. And why is it bigger than G92 GT/GTS? It's the same :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing thing! It's even bigger than 8800GTX, what the hell is going on here?

I might but ATI this round out of spite.

Actually its size is equal to the 8800GTX... look closely, the slot plates are removed on the 8800GTX (the part where the screws go to attach it to the case)
Look at the PCI Express parts, they're lined up exactly...
About the 8800GTS 512... it's got the same specs, no need to upgrade for me anyway...

[dafeeessh]

like i said before this is great news the 8800 prices will go down and i will be able to buy two more for some tri sli for close to the same price as a single 9800 gtx

[Garrett]

The 9800GTX shouldn't be too expensive I reckon... Tri-SLi is nice but there are just a handful of people using that I guess...

[Der_KHAN]

it seems like nvidia is trying to force people into buying many slow video cards together with sli mainboards. they keep on surprising me with ever new ways of milking the customer.

when i still had nv stocks that was easier to accept :D

[velerephon]

its just another 8800gts. i think all nvidia has against next gen ati, is a higher clocked g92 with 512bit mem interface.
will i make it for my europe-stepup for a 9 series card? 20 step up days left..

[Scimitar]

I see 4 vGPU phases, 2 vDD phases and one for vDDQ - so it matches G80GTX atleast for power specs. Everything else is of course a step backwards from G80GTX.

ROPs and Memory Bandwidth is a step back, agreed. The Texture Address Units are better on the G92 core, so that is a step forward. At high resolutions in games with AA and AF enabled, the 8800GTX should still be faster though, due to its superior memory bandwidth.

[FischOderAal]

its just another 8800gts. i think all nvidia has against next gen ati, is a higher clocked g92 with 512bit mem interface.
will i make it for my europe-stepup for a 9 series card? 20 step up days left..

not likely. they have been doing something and now they are just waiting for ATI to strike back.

[Yukon Trooper]

I am kinda confused, som say 8800ultra/gtx is still the performance crowned king and some say that the 3870x2 is the top dog, what gives?
when the r600(2900xt) came out many sites said that it was as good as the 8800gtx maybe loosing out max 5fps. now people say like that the 8800gtx/ultra is like double the power of a 3870 card.
The 8800GTX is faster in some situations, especially at high resolutions with AA/AF enabled. You'll see that many of the people who "upgraded" from the 8800GTX to the 3870X2 regret doing so.

[hollo]

HD3870 is pretty good competition if you ask quite a few people. It's sure a step up from 2900XT fame in terms of power efficiency:performance. Seems like it's much more than 'no' competition to me.

the g92 8800 GTS, GTX and Ultra are all better than it.
the 3870 x2 is competitive, in a way, but overpriced. a crossfire board and two volt-modded 3870s would be cheaper and better

and the 3870 still flakes really hard in some games when you turn filtering and anti-aliasing on

eg no anti-aliasing, trilinear filtering, 1024*768
8800 GT 112.9FPS
HD 3870 108.9FPS
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=1057&model2=1060&chart=275
4 x AA, 8 x AF, 1024*768
8800 GT 110.2FPS
HD 3870 70.1FPS
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=1057&model2=1060&chart=276