[Uni] Asus 9800gts first look and 3dmark suite

[VictorWang]

got a pretty strange card.
seems a fully upgraded version of 8800gts.

still, G92 core, 512m, 1.0ns_ram.
rated at 600/1500/900.

but...better pwm design.(or it's Asus's own design, who knows :D )

http://bbs.unihw.com/attachments/forumid_61/20080304_63a2d672ab0188d546c7G27vUs7DhZAx.jpg


tests and bios here:
http://www.unihw.com/html/18/n-118.html


will post some overclking results after i find a good cooler :D

[metro.cl]

is the official name 9800GTS?

[zanzabar]

that looks identical to teh gts512 im not sure what the point is, it even looks the same except for the blue pcb

[ShArKo]

Nice VGA, there's any bench mark ?????

I like the blue PCB, but its not my favorite. :p

[NH|Delph1]

Is it too much to ask for a close-up of the core? :D

//Andreas

[SuperPysz]

why does this seem so disappointing....... A single 8800gtx(stock) with a 3.0ghz kentsfield can beat that 06 score (never benched the others). I also know for a fact that a 8800gtx(still stock) would smoke that score if used in the 4.5 ghz yorkfield(change that to wolfdale or w/e the server version is called, sorry:() system.....

:down:

EDIT: I just saw the cpu score..... 4239.... my quad gets 4530 at 3.46 (13x266)

more :down:

EDIT AGAIN: Mine is in Vista too......

even more :down:

[Aleki]

well if these cards yield that little of performance gain, i'm glad i bought the last gen stuff...
i'm begining to think these are just fillers so nvidia doesnt fall back a generation. seems like ati will win this round for performance if their releases hold true.
but we'll see...

[VictorWang]

why does this seem so disappointing....... A single 8800gtx(stock) with a 3.0ghz kentsfield can beat that 06 score (never benched the others). I also know for a fact that a 8800gtx(still stock) would smoke that score if used in the 4.5 ghz yorkfield system.....

:down:

EDIT: I just saw the cpu score..... 4239.... my quad gets 4530 at 3.46 (13x266)

more :down:

EDIT AGAIN: Mine is in Vista too......

even more :down:

:cool: driver's not ready yet.
vGPU=1.1v
vRam=2.0v
3phase pwm for GPU_Core
1phase pwm for vRam

so i'm regard it as a low-volt version 8800gts :D

[dinos22]

EDIT: I just saw the cpu score..... 4239.... my quad gets 4530 at 3.46 (13x266)

dual core CPUs score a much worse CPU point score than quads

actually your CPU score is a little poor if anything :confused:

[VictorWang]

is the official name 9800GTS?

at least, driver and bios say so :D

[wolvers69]

If it's a 9000 series card shouldn't it have a second sli connector?

[clonez]

pure disappointment...:mad:

edit: nah, only high-end (gtx+ ultra cards)

[dinos22]

If it's a 9000 series card shouldn't it have a second sli connector?

probably GTX ONLY tripple SLI capable
rest dual

[SuperPysz]

dual core CPUs score a much worse CPU point score than quads

actually your CPU score is a little poor if anything :confused:

Sorry:( , I just thought of that in the middle of running 06 a second ago. My cpu score isn't that great because my fsb is 1066. I get better scores if I oc it, I just waiting for my new case and to wc my board too. I also have a bunch of stuff running in the background(antivirus, utorrent, coldfusion server) I still don't see me getting much higher than 5k on the cpu with fsb oc'd. I still feel that the 9800gts 06 score is :down:. Ive seen 9800gtx scores in other thread with quads clocked that high and they aren't much better.

:D 100th post :D

[SuperPysz]

:cool: driver's not ready yet.
vGPU=1.1v
vRam=2.0v
3phase pwm for GPU_Core
1phase pwm for vRam

so i'm regard it as a low-core version 8800gts :D

interesting info

do you know the shaders yet?

[VictorWang]

interesting info

do you know the shaders yet?

:confused: how can i measure shader volt @.@

[wolvers69]

How does that score compare with an 8800gts 512 and the same cpu then?

[VictorWang]

How does that score compare with an 8800gts 512 and the same cpu then?

88gtx/88ultra/88gts/98gts/98gtx should be same performance at the same clk.

[OBR]

it is GeForce 8800 GT 512MB replacement!

Geforces 8 are DEAD! New era begins ...

8800 GT 512 --> 9800 GTS
8800 GTS 512 --> 9800 GTX
8800 GTX/Ultra --> 9800GX2

This is "magical 9" nvidias month ...

Graphics 9 series, chipset 9 series ... lifts at 18.3.2008!

[VictorWang]

overclking test coming out:

http://www.unihw.com/viewnews-118-page-2.html

cooling by Zalman VF-900 ,
ambient=17c
no additional cooling
at vGPU=1.1v and such bad cooling, i think it's an nice overclking
GPU=713mhz, Ram=1065mhz, shader=1782mhz
with shader>1845, i can't clk ram>1000mhz, same situation happened on 88gt/gts

[Levish]

8800gts 512 do 800mhz+ on factory cooler :| (mine can at least)

not sure what the core voltage is but it doesn't matter since it's not adjustable outside of voltmods.

its a bit of a letdown, i'll agree with the others

[RPGWiZaRD]

Gotta love NVIDIA marketing, I don't know if I should cry or laugh. :rofl:

Guess now they can also blame the 8800GT shortages that they're already planning on a "new" product, ie. 9800GTS, isn't it wonderful! :)

[VictorWang]

8800gts 512 do 800mhz+ on factory cooler :| (mine can at least)

not sure what the core voltage is but it doesn't matter since it's not adjustable outside of voltmods.

its a bit of a letdown, i'll agree with the others

88gts=1.18v

88gt=1.1v

after vmod, 88gt can run almost same clk as 88gts

[SuperPysz]

:confused: how can i measure shader volt @.@

i confused? shader volt? sorry, i should have specified # of shaders instead of asking "do you know the shaders yet?"

so starting a new.
how many shaders does it have?

[deathman20]

88gts=1.18v

88gt=1.1v

after vmod, 88gt can run almost same clk as 88gts

Well actually doesn't the 8800GT stock run 1.05V? With the bios mod it jacks it up to 1.1V.

I know my 8800GT clocks nicely with the extra voltage :) I'd love to give it more volts, since my cooling solution works great I don't think its changed tempature at all from the increased clocks and voltages.

[SKYMTL]

Interesting, it scores about the same as a stock-clocked 8800GTS 512MB.

[trans am]

so thats how they do it?

[gillll]

lol might be :D

[largon]

Qimonda GDDR3 + no dedicated vDDQ = sucky RAM OCs.

This is really just a 8800GTS 512MB...
... and it has rounded PCB corners?!?

[VictorWang]

i confused? shader volt? sorry, i should have specified # of shaders instead of asking "do you know the shaders yet?"

so starting a new.
how many shaders does it have?

128 sp :)

[icecpu]

This time Nvidia screw up. I'm not going to upgrade until they put something out better than that

[GAR]

seems to be slower than the 8800gts........i dont know where nvidia is going with this......they should have named the 8800gt/s as the 9800's so we wouldnt be in this situation IMO

[Metroid]

I concluded my little research and I'm proud to say that Nvidia made a mistake and saw it on time to hopefully turn an end on it, its mistake was name a G9(entitled G92) product as 8800GT and 8800GTS. G92 was supposed to be only G9 products and not G8 Series.

Now what could they do?

Meaningless to say. They will launch a full range of G9 products now and by the end of this year, time for the new upcoming GPU(GX). Nvidia is probably waiting for Intel to launch its new motherboard chipset design. So the most Nvidia products are only a refresh until the end of the year. So then we will probably see something scary.

Metroid.

[Dave_Sz]

so thats how they do it?

except u erased the wrong side of the bottom loop...

[Yori1989]

Qimonda GDDR3 + no dedicated vDDQ = sucky RAM OCs.

This is really just a 8800GTS 512MB...
... and it has rounded PCB corners?!?


Yeah the rounded PCB corners give the card a performance boost.
Or its because than the card isnt 100% identical to the 8800GT/GTS lol:ROTF:

really i have no clue what Nvidia is doing :shrug:

[sonofander]

All of this nVidia nonsense is killing me!!!
I'm jumping to ATI on principle!

[K404]

so a PCB revision on a card means it needs a new name, which conveniently hints at a new generation.

Uneducated people might realistically buy this to replace their 8800GT/GTS 512MB

If thats how nVidia treat their market, screw em.

[grimREEFER]

i think the only card that wont be a disappointment from nvidia is the already released 9600gt. that card overclocks very nicely, and it gets very close to the much more expensive cards in terms of performance when overclocked.

[Yori1989]

All of this nVidia nonsense is killing me!!!
I'm jumping to ATI on principle!


My thoughts exactly, even ATI did some adjustments from the R600 to the RV670, but this Nvidia crap? Oh my god! They use exactly same core, only a little lesser voltage on the Vcore.


Oh yeah and to support their theory that this card isnt psysically the same to the 8800GT/S(thus can be called a new generation)... they rounded the edges of the PCB... hahaha! OH MY GOD :rofl:

This is sad! :clap:

[grimREEFER]

yea, i dont understand, if its the same exact thing except for a newer version of opengl, why even bother creating it and releasing it? its not even cheaper to produce. it will probably be released at the same price as the 8800gts, thus making that card obsolete anyway.

[dafeeessh]

9 series as of now = FAIL



ima going to get two more 8800 gtx for tri sli:D

[Yori1989]

yea, i dont understand, if its the same exact thing exact for a newer version of opengl, why even bother creating it and releasing it? its not even cheaper to produce. it will probably be released at the same price as the 8800gts, thus making that card obsolete anyway.



Now all the tech-junkies are pre-ordering a GX2 for a abnormal price(ah more than 2x the price of 2 8800gt's)
They think they get even a better card than their new bought 8800GT/S. But in comparision they pay even more for the same, or even lesser performance. I guess that 2x 8800GT in SLI at same clocks performs as good as a 9800GX2.
Only the GX2 is 1.5 times as expensive as 2x 8800GT. They now earn 25% more on each core they sell.
Because Nvidia marketing is quite good, people will upgrade from a 8800GT/s to a 9800xx card.
Isnt that wonderfull?

I dont know sure, but thats my theory

[Frank M]

Geforces 8 are DEAD! New era begins ...

8800 GT 512 --> 9800 GTS
8800 GTS 512 --> 9800 GTX
8800 GTX/Ultra --> 9800GX2

This is "magical 9" nvidias month ...

Yeah, but the 9-series is the same as the 8 series, which is DEAD as you say,
so the 9-series is DEAD also :D

"Magical 9"? GeForce9-series = utter FAIL. Just rebranded previous version.
Moreover, the 780 is also just rebranded previous version with an added
chip. nv is getting increasingly lame nowadays. It's high time AMD and Intel
kicked their @$$es to get them moving.

[LuckyNV]

just noticed the mounting holes, G80 compatibility only.

but the 9800GTX has G92 mounting holes?
http://we.pcinlife.com/attachments/forumid_23/20080304_85e8e48b0e7b0d09182cfmzKcRmt2jDU.jpg

[Big SturL]

nVidia just want's to make as much money possible off of their current core-designs... Why the hell would they launch cards that perform a lot better than their current, when THEIR own cards would be the only competition? As long as ATI doesn't come with something that nVidia can compete with, it is highly unlikely that we will see a substantial perfomance boost in nVidia's lineup.

I can assure all wiseguys (including myself) that nVidia KNOWS what they are doing. It is a billion-dollar corporation for a reason.

[OBR]

Yeah, but the 9-series is the same as the 8 series, which is DEAD as you say,
so the 9-series is DEAD also :D

"Magical 9"? GeForce9-series = utter FAIL. Just rebranded previous version.
Moreover, the 780 is also just rebranded previous version with an added
chip. nv is getting increasingly lame nowadays. It's high time AMD and Intel
kicked their @$$es to get them moving.

And what? GeForces 8 are DEAD, because has a new names ...
Forget about nF780i, i am speaking about nF790i Ultra!

[fitseries3]

someone have the bios for this card? i want it.

[RaZz!]

it is GeForce 8800 GT 512MB replacement!

Geforces 8 are DEAD! New era begins ...

8800 GT 512 --> 9800 GTS
8800 GTS 512 --> 9800 GTX
8800 GTX/Ultra --> 9800GX2

This is "magical 9" nvidias month ...

Graphics 9 series, chipset 9 series ... lifts at 18.3.2008!

lmao @geforce 8 are dead :p:

the whole geforce 9 series is a laughing stock. all rebranded geforce 8 cards... at first the 8800gt -> 9800gt and now this 9800gts.

nvidia, wtf are you guys doing?!

[fitseries3]

yeah but the 9800gts is clearly a 8800gts replacement. i want the bios for the 9800gts... does anyone have it?

[BulldogPO]

Yeah, that bios on 8800GTS 512MB would be worth of try...

[largon]

fitseries3,
Why would you want the bios?
It would only work in a card physically identical to this one.
the whole geforce 9 series is a laughing stock. all rebranded geforce 8 cards... at first the 8800gt -> 9800gt and now this 9800gts.

nvidia, wtf are you guys doing?!Don't worry, the thread is 6 months old and these cards aren't available even now so it's safe to say 9800GTS does not, nor will ever, exist.

[Sly Fox]

Geforces 8 are DEAD! New era begins ...

8800 GT 512 --> 9800 GTS
8800 GTS 512 --> 9800 GTX
8800 GTX/Ultra --> 9800GX2

This is "magical 9" nvidias month ...

Graphics 9 series, chipset 9 series ... lifts at 18.3.2008!

As usual, OBR proves that his mouth is far bigger than his knowledge. 8800 Ultra --> 9800GX2? What? That doesn't even make sense.

How often does OBR claim to have insider knowledge and end up wrong? A good 100 times over the course of his time on XS? I'd say maybe 1000 honestly.

Frankly, I would be rather embarrassed if I was caught boldly faced lying so many times, but well... Some people have no shame. Even if they do "work for one of the biggest computer mags in Europe." Well, that's his claim at least, wonder just how true even THAT IS? :D ;)

What wild tales will he tell next? What sort of mainstream internet rumors will he give his personal twist to make it appears somewhat believable?

"GT200-b coming December much good $550 retail coming, GTX 260 core 216 respun 55nm maybe improved clocks, coming 1 1/2 month later estimated. Look for it guys!"

Is that right on the money? Am I close?

Sorry for the rant, but the man just loves predicting the future, but not just that, pretending he "knows." Gets really old having the same old OBR playing his same old tricks in every topic, and people rarely call him out on it. Probably out of the desperate hope he's not lying and will bless us with some info, sadly I've never seen that info be accurate even once. Don't mean to sound... Well mean, but I call em like I see em and this dude obviously likes posting made up hype/future predictions as fact for attention.

Well, sometimes the attention is going to end up being negative, like in this case.

[fitseries3]

if the 8800gt ---> 9800gt
then 8800gts --->9800gts right?

i have a 8800gts 512mb card and i would like to try it.

[largon]

fitseries3,
As I said, your 8800GTS would need to be physically identical to the 9800GTS shown in the 1st post.