GeForce 9800 GX2, 9800 GTX & 3870 X2 Compared

[Monkeywoman]

VR-Zone has gotten some preliminary 3DMark06 scores on the upcoming GeForce 9800 GX2 and 9800 GTX cards. The setup : Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66GHz processor on a P965 board with Forceware 173.67 drivers and Catalyst driver version 8.451. GeForce 9800 GX2 scored 14225, 9800 GTX scored 13167 while Radeon HD 3870 X2 scored 14301. Nvidia is still tuning up the drivers and the clock speeds aren't finalized yet so we should be seeing some improvements when launched. Currently, 9800 GX2 is slated for March 18th launch while 9800 GTX is slated for end March.

Keep in mind that they are using a beta cc driver, and the 9800GX2 hasn't got final clocks.if the gx2 beats the 70x2 this round ATI can increase the clocks for the next revision of the 70x2 to catchup or take back the crown.

[grimREEFER]

3870x2?!
the same 3870x2 that is bested by 9600gt sli in games lol?

[STaRGaZeR]

Overclock the CPU a bit and then compare. You'll see a bit different results ;)

[v_rr]

3870x2?!
the same 3870x2 that is bested by 9600gt sli in games lol?

Depends on the games tested, depends on witch 9600GT or HD 3870X2 you are talking (OC versions) and depends mostly on drivers.

But overall those are tow diferent things. One is two cards in crossfire in a crossfire mobo. Other is a single card like 9800gx2 ou hd 3870x2.
They use crossfire/SLI internaly but it´s diferent and not comparable.

The 9800GX2 by this time should be well ahead of HD 3870X2 and that is not happening. Is a bit of problem because with all those delays it will go against one HD 3870X2 with Cat 8.3 crossfire-X driver.
Let´s wait and see but it´s a bad result.

[Eastcoasthandle]

3870x2?!
the same 3870x2 that is bested by 9600gt sli in games lol?

Makes you wonder doesn't it? But I already addressed that in the other thread. And the alleged "insider" who stated that the 9600 is nothing more then a GTS 512 does make you wonder.


Depends on the games tested, depends on witch 9600GT or HD 3870X2 you are talking (OC versions) and depends mostly on drivers.

But overall those are tow diferent things. One is two cards in crossfire in a crossfire mobo. Other is a single card like 9800gx2 ou hd 3870x2.
They use crossfire/SLI internaly but it´s diferent and not comparable.

The 9800GX2 by this time should be well ahead of HD 3870X2 and that is not happening. Is a bit of problem because with all those delays it will go against one HD 3870X2 with Cat 8.3 crossfire-X driver.
Let´s wait and see but it´s a bad result.
Makes me wonder if 3d06 was part of the TWIMTBP would the score be higher? We shall soon see what the results are in games based on it.

[trans am]

the question is what card is faster after your max out each cards overclock?

[NotFred]

3870x2?!
the same 3870x2 that is bested by 9600gt sli in games lol?

Yes, the same 3870x2 that is bested by two 9600GTs in Sli in Crysis and Bioshock. However as that review tested every other configuration with many more games, I think by implication the 3870x2 won in all others :-P

Edit:

Well, I suppose these scores explain the huge number of delays...

[shiznit93]

why do people even post 3dmark scores anymore, they mean nothing.

[nemsis]

why do people even post 3dmark scores anymore, they mean nothing.

Agree 100%

[NotFred]

That really deends upon what you care about. Some people really like getting a high 3dmark score. I dont play crysis, just dont like the game, so i disregard the bits of reviews where they benchmark that.

Depends how you want to use your hardware and what you want it to be good at.

[bill_d]

if they delay much more it will be up against the 4870x2 in may or june

[grimREEFER]

That really deends upon what you care about. Some people really like getting a high 3dmark score. I dont play crysis, just dont like the game, so i disregard the bits of reviews where they benchmark that.

Depends how you want to use your hardware and what you want it to be good at.
crysis really represents the future of games imo. how ur pc handles that will tell you how ur pc will handle future games, so im really interested in crysis benches with these cards.
3dmark06 means nothing. the 3870x2 scores higher than a 9800gx2 in 3dmark06, but it is on par with the 9600gt sli in games (which makes sense because a single 3870 is basically equal to a single 9600gt). now, if the 9800gx2 is basically 8800gts sli, and the 8800gts is much faster than the 9600gt, than logically it should follow that the 9800gx2 is much faster than the 3870x2 in games.

[zerazax]

Crysis might be the only game that no card can max out right now, but calling it the future of the game when it probably has a lot of optimization issues and what not so I'd hardly call it the future of games

As for the 9600GT SLI/3870X2 deal, they only benched two games and made a conclusion, which is as ridiculous as it gets esp. cause everyone knows that Crysis is not friendly towards CF

Either way though, these 3dM06 results seem HEAVILY CPU limited as I've seen single 3870x2's with good CPU's do near 20k...

[Scubar]

3DMark06 = Pointless as a comparsion of card performance.

That being said i doubt there will be that much difference between the 3870X2 and the 9800GX2

[Daveb2012]

that looks like **** to me, all this anticipation and I can go buy a card in 20 minutes that will out perform both thats on the shelfs now, forget this series, Nvidia=FAIL!

[v_rr]

crysis really represents the future of games imo. how ur pc handles that will tell you how ur pc will handle future games, so im really interested in crysis benches with these cards.
3dmark06 means nothing. the 3870x2 scores higher than a 9800gx2 in 3dmark06, but it is on par with the 9600gt sli in games (which makes sense because a single 3870 is basically equal to a single 9600gt). now, if the 9800gx2 is basically 8800gts sli, and the 8800gts is much faster than the 9600gt, than logically it should follow that the 9800gx2 is much faster than the 3870x2 in games.

you have to count that the 9800gx2 have a lower clocked 8800GTS and that drivers and arquitecture scalling is fundamental ;)

[hecktic]

yes the cpu needs some more overclocking first

[Rattle]

this means nothing

my 2900pro for $170 outscored all my g80's and g92's in 3dmarks.....
and the card sucked at gaming

[mascaras]

More 9800 GX2 Pictures Released

German site Allround-PC.com (http://www.allround-pc.com/news/hardware/2008/februar/exklusive-bilder-einer-geforce-9800-gx2) has acquired a few new pictures of NVIDIA’s upcoming 9800 GX2 graphics card, which is set to become the company’s flagship consumer card when it’s released next month. The card will have two 65nm GeForce 8800 GPUs working in SLI on a single card, with a 600MHz core, 1GHz GDDR3 memory and a 1.5GHz shader clock. The pictures are below.

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-29/9800gx2-1_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-29/9800gx2-1.jpg) http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-29/9800gx2-2_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-29/9800gx2-2.jpg) http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-29/9800gx2-3_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-29/9800gx2-3.jpg) http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-29/9800gx2-4_thm.jpg (http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-29/9800gx2-4.jpg)


Allround-PC.com (http://www.allround-pc.com/news/hardware/2008/februar/exklusive-bilder-einer-geforce-9800-gx2)




http://www.techpowerup.com/53994/More_9800_GX2_Pictures_Released.html


regards

[saaya]

how come nvidia can make one g92 gpu score 13k but 2 g92 gpus score 14k?
this should kill all the discussion about the 9800gx2 beeing a well designed card and a good concept.

its crap!

[NeedMoMegaHurtZ]

this means nothing

my 2900pro for $170 outscored all my g80's and g92's in 3dmarks.....
and the card sucked at gaming

Totally agree here

[Ethelred]

how come nvidia can make one g92 gpu score 13k but 2 g92 gpus score 14k?
this should kill all the discussion about the 9800gx2 beeing a well designed card and a good concept.

its crap!

For sure it's crap...with the drivers maturing a little and whatnot I'm sure the score will go up. But I still contend that nVidia is getting lazy with design. The GX2 is just shoddy.

[003]

Agree 100%

Actually, while 3dmark is not an end all comparison, it carries much more actual weight than all the people who have an anti-3dmark agenda would have you believe.

This does need more cpu overclocking though, but it is very impressive to say the least because it's not even using the most up to date catalyst 3d driver which is 8.47, slated for release in catalyst 8.3.

this means nothing

my 2900pro for $170 outscored all my g80's and g92's in 3dmarks.....
and the card sucked at gaming Unless you had the cards under extreme cold, that is a load of BS.

[Rattle]

your telling me on air you cant beat a gtx with a 2900pro ? both overclocked on air ? in 05 and 06?

i dont think you know wtf your talking about....

maxed gt 512 on air I got 23500 and i beat that with a 2900pro too, only card on air that might beat it is a gts 512 at 800 or higher core....

the 8800 ultra i had beat the pro buy a couple hundred points at its max 705 core in 06, and the 2900pro washed the floor with the 8800 ultra in 05.

[DMH]

I believe a QX9650 clocked at 3.6Ghz would tell us which one is the best card because they are probably limited at that clock and please test it on a X38 or P35

[003]

your telling me on air you cant beat a gtx with a 2900pro ? both overclocked on air ? in 05 and 06?

i dont think you know wtf your talking about....

maxed gt 512 on air I got 23500 and i beat that with a 2900pro too, only card on air that might beat it is a gts 512 at 800 or higher core....

the 8800 ultra i had beat the pro buy a couple hundred points at its max 705 core in 06, and the 2900pro washed the floor with the 8800 ultra in 05.

Are you talking about single card or dual? I'm talking about 06 and single card. If the 2900pro is beating an overclocked 8800 ultra in 06, then you've either got some kind of software problem or you are being cpu bottle necked. With my c2d at 3.8ghz and my 2900pro at 914/2000, I get 13.1k in 06.

[Rattle]

SINGLE

read again

[003]

Yeah, then you've got some kind of bottleneck or other problem because thats not right. The geforce 8 series (excluding the original GTS cards) tears up the 2900pro in 06, unless you are in the cold, where the 2900 will continue to scale and the 8800 wont.

Mind sharing your hardware and software used to get these results, and the overclocks you used?

[zanzabar]

how can u compair a pro and an ultra when u will up the voltage alot to get ur clocks but of course we cant use voltmods to compare since ati dosnt let u up it by much, its even on a p965 and that limits the ati card wa more than anythng NV will do

stop whining NV dose this every other year u should expect it they only update ever 2 years common, when u dont have a shader cap and NV optimized game ur going to cry about it

[003]

Umm... I don't know about the HD3000 cards but on the 2900s, there are easy bios mods to bring the voltage up to 1.35v and from there you can use atitool and raise it all the way to 2v. I have done 1.550v on a suicide run before.

[zanzabar]

i ment 38xx but i thought that i had bad vdroop on teh 2900 when u upped it in the bios

[Frank M]

I'm liking this result.
nV has sat too much on its laurels and got too lazy, now they deserve to have
their @$$es kicked. I hope this will stir up the waters a bit :woot:

[adamsleath]

9800gx2 will trounce when aa+af are factored in, i reckon.

do people like jaggies these days?
i know i dont.

why does 9600gt sli show such good scaling while this gx2 thing looks like total crapola scalingwise......?

huh huh why?

y?

why?

y?

[SIOUX]

how come nvidia can make one g92 gpu score 13k but 2 g92 gpus score 14k?
this should kill all the discussion about the 9800gx2 beeing a well designed card and a good concept.

its crap!

My bed is that if you put some more power in CPu, the score will be a lot more different :)

[adamsleath]

yeah maybe cpu bound

3d06 is about cpu powa.
yorkfield @ 4.6GHz 8800gts512 sli :ROTF::790i chipset
http://www.overclockingpin.com/max-air-gts-790isli.gif
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=178546&highlight=790i


i'll conjecture that actual games performance of gx2 will depend on whether the game is graphics bound or cpu limited....which is the same as usual.

and also gx2 will most likely give the best results across the board with aa+af enabled....at 'certain resolutions' :yawn:

and also generally speaking that these powerful graphics cards are being held back by weak cpu's....which is why im not rushing in to yet more grffx power when wot i really need is more cpu power.

[NotFred]

9800gx2 will trounce when aa+af are factored in, i reckon.

do people like jaggies these days?
i know i dont.

why does 9600gt sli show such good scaling while this gx2 thing looks like total crapola scalingwise......?

huh huh why?

y?

why?

y?

No idea what they did to the SLi scaling on the 9600gt, but the scaling on this card is similar to those shown on all other Nvidia cards.

Also, personally, at decent resolution I have never noticed a difference with AA enabled, the dot pitch takes care of it for you.

[adamsleath]

which means dont bother with 3870x2 unless you are at 1920x1200 res. or more.

well i still notice jaggies at 1920x1200 on my crt....so ...i just looked.

a 30" lcd at native res you dont need aa. i presume.

[bill_d]

maybe the little auto oc pcie bus trick dosn't work on a gx2 to much heat

[labs23]

Anyway as i've noticed ATI cards can score very well against an Nvidia counterpart at the same performance level. Like the what the other OP posted, ATI cards can go up higher than an Nvidia in xtreme conditions while OCd, like in dice,... Now i wonder why ATI put such abilities on their cards that way rather than making them "scale" in performance in a way like ordinary... Mainstream, anybody?

[Helmore]

Anyway as i've noticed ATI cards can score very well against an Nvidia counterpart at the same performance level. Like the what the other OP posted, ATI cards can go up higher than an Nvidia in xtreme conditions while OCd, like in dice,... Now i wonder why ATI put such abilities on their cards that way rather than making them "scale" in performance in a way like ordinary... Mainstream, anybody?

Might have something to do with preparing the design for future higher clocked derivatives.....just a guess.

[_d_]

for me, i just only play NFS so my ATi just fine no problem

[Leeghoofd]

Awaiting real reviews and game tests... for the benchers maybe nice to know but for most users this comparison tells zilch zero... and everyone that buys such a card doesn't run a quad at 2.6ghz.... :) but it will be nice if hothardware does a CPU scaling review again...

[veilsidebr]

lol, what a xity 9800 gx2, i'd really not sell my ultra and own this new model, just to get more 600 points in 3dmark 06! i was expecting something of 16 or 17k, but i am really disappointed!

lol, i think "we have reached the limit" on the GPU aspect of computer technology. Time to change everything. LOL

=D

[JasonDTM]

crysis really represents the future of games imo. how ur pc handles that will tell you how ur pc will handle future games, so im really interested in crysis benches with these cards.
3dmark06 means nothing. the 3870x2 scores higher than a 9800gx2 in 3dmark06, but it is on par with the 9600gt sli in games (which makes sense because a single 3870 is basically equal to a single 9600gt). now, if the 9800gx2 is basically 8800gts sli, and the 8800gts is much faster than the 9600gt, than logically it should follow that the 9800gx2 is much faster than the 3870x2 in games.

Oh yeah, dismiss the fact that Crysis runs like ass on ALL ATi Hardware.

[safan80]

the 3870 x2 is junk! this is why I will not use an ATI product until they can get their opengl working right.

[DilTech]

*yawn*, ATi's been ahead at 06 this round, why is this a surprise now?

Seriously, it's the games that matter.

That said, the 9 series(and the 3870's) are a disappointment in my eyes either way. A year and a half after the 8800GTX and they STILL can't show a card that's fast enough to make a worth-while look, much less upgrade...

Ah well, just keeps this being the best gpu investment in quite some time.

[zanzabar]

the 3870 x2 is junk! this is why I will not use an ATI product until they can get their opengl working right.

using AA as a bench and not quality is meaningless in my book unless ur on some old game that has to upmix textures or something straight from MS (like flight sim x) u dont need aa with an ati card from the double precision processing power of their stream processor, and quake wars on the doom 3 engine and its heavily outdoors who thought that that was a good idea lets take the weakest part of the engine and make it the focal point of the game

*yawn*, ATi's been ahead at 06 this round, why is this a surprise now?

Seriously, it's the games that matter.

That said, the 9 series(and the 3870's) are a disappointment in my eyes either way. A year and a half after the 8800GTX and they STILL can't show a card that's fast enough to make a worth-while look, much less upgrade...

Ah well, just keeps this being the best gpu investment in quite some time.



i dont see why its a dissapointment there are always 2-3 year gaps with the exeption of the x1k, 9500-x800 3year, 6800-8800 3 year, forgot the voodoo stuff but its the same

[safan80]

quake wars on the doom 3 engine and its heavily outdoors who thought that that was a good idea lets take the weakest part of the engine and make it the focal point of the game

it's very important to anyone that plays the game! I have almost 300 hours in the game and yes you spend a lot of time outdoors.

[Tim]

how come nvidia can make one g92 gpu score 13k but 2 g92 gpus score 14k?
this should kill all the discussion about the 9800gx2 beeing a well designed card and a good concept.

its crap!

saaya, with your experience, you should know much better then to post something like that. So because it doesn't score well in 06 makes it a bad designed card, and a bad concept?

It's crap?

right. :rolleyes:

[fcry64]

saaya, with your experience, you should know much better then to post something like that. So because it doesn't score well in 06 makes it a bad designed card, and a bad concept?

It's crap?

right. :rolleyes:

don't u see? 3dmark is a fair indication....it should pretty much double up the score for the 9800 gx2 and a fast cpu. 14k for gx2 isn't digestable:down:

[flopper]

*yawn*, ATi's been ahead at 06 this round, why is this a surprise now?

Seriously, it's the games that matter.

That said, the 9 series(and the 3870's) are a disappointment in my eyes either way. A year and a half after the 8800GTX and they STILL can't show a card that's fast enough to make a worth-while look, much less upgrade...

Ah well, just keeps this being the best gpu investment in quite some time.

x1950xtx to 8800gt was well worth it.
now, nothing as far impress me for an upgrade.
double the fps or sumtin that shows a reason for upgrade.

later this year maybe there is a reason for an upgrade.
Next generation, this one isnt a reason to upgrade even with x2 and gx2.

[Tim]

don't u see? 3dmark is a fair indication....it should pretty much double up the score for the 9800 gx2 and a fast cpu. 14k for gx2 isn't digestable:down:

Not anymore it is. You need a faster CPU. Doesn't that tell you anything??

[jimmyz]

Oh yeah, dismiss the fact that Crysis runs like ass on ALL ATi Hardware.

and we'll dismiss the fact you don't know jack **** about it. ATI run's crysis just fine. take your crapping elsewhere. dollar for dollar the cards are almost equal.

[Tim]

and we'll dismiss the fact you don't know jack **** about it. ATI run's crysis just fine. take your crapping elsewhere. dollar for dollar the cards are almost equal.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/02/28/mainstream_graphics_performance_1q08/2

Performance in Crysis isn't that great in my opinion. nVidia definitely are faster.

[v_rr]

*yawn*, ATi's been ahead at 06 this round, why is this a surprise now?

Seriously, it's the games that matter.

That said, the 9 series(and the 3870's) are a disappointment in my eyes either way. A year and a half after the 8800GTX and they STILL can't show a card that's fast enough to make a worth-while look, much less upgrade...

Ah well, just keeps this being the best gpu investment in quite some time.

Well RV770, RV740 and R700 are just arround the corner (1 quarter away +/-), and with the failure of Gf 9xxx series ati as here a good chance to turn arround things in market share in 2008.

[jimmyz]

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/02/28/mainstream_graphics_performance_1q08/2

Performance in Crysis isn't that great in my opinion. nVidia definitely are faster.

nice a link that doesn't show any of the cards this thread is about, wow you sure proved my point. try again.

[Tim]

nice a link that doesn't show any of the cards this thread is about, wow you sure proved my point. try again.

Well he said ALL ATI hardware didn't he? ;)

Oh yeah, dismiss the fact that Crysis runs like ass on ALL ATi Hardware.

[jimmyz]

I know my rig is an exception but it runs great on my rig and also on my buddys dual core with a 2900xt. Nvidia fanboys act like it won't run or is just plain terrible which isn't true at all.

I'm not disputing the 8800 gtx or ultra run Crysis better than comperable ati cards... crytech would be in hot water if it didn't.

[grimREEFER]

it really is plain terrible on everything outside of 8800u tri sli.
it runs :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty on all cards out now, and its gonna run :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty on next gen cards too from the looks of it.

[NH|Delph1]

Well RV770, RV740 and R700 are just arround the corner (1 quarter away +/-), and with the failure of Gf 9xxx series ati as here a good chance to turn arround things in market share in 2008.

I seriously doubt that the 9 series will fail. On the contrary. You're all looking at the cards as meager improvement of the GeForce 8 series, but considering GeForce 8 is a good, yet very old, series it is going to succeed.
Most people are just going to see that the new cards are slightly faster and less power consuming than the old ones and be happy with that.
The hardcore people like us are of course disappointed, but we're still just a drop in the ocean for NVIDIA. Even though we do create the most headlines.

And what really puzzles me is that there wasn't half the discussion when ATI decided to name the RV670 cards HD 3800 instead of 2950...

//Andreas

[v_rr]

And what really puzzles me is that there wasn't half the discussion when ATI decided to name the RV670 cards HD 3800 instead of 2950...

//Andreas

DX_10.1 masked that, because historicaly a new serie = new DX revision.
And in ATI the power savings where much more drastic with the new crossfire-X maked also some diference.

[jimmyz]

it really is plain terrible on everything outside of 8800u tri sli.
it runs :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty on all cards out now, and its gonna run :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty on next gen cards too from the looks of it.

have you even played it? plays fine on my rig:cool:

[NH|Delph1]

DX_10.1 masked that, because historicaly a new serie = new DX revision.
And in ATI the power savings where much more drastic with the new crossfire-X maked also some diference.

I'll give you half a point for that, mainly because history speaks against you on some early occasions, but overall I agree with you.

Power savings will be significant with GF9 series as well, but perhaps not to the same degree.

I still think that people are overreacting now compared to then, but I guess it's easier to like AMD/ATI than NVIDIA.
I would know since NVIDIA has shunned us...

//Andreas

[Papu]

i like games.

[Ugly n Grey]

Nothing is fast at crysis and throwing four ATI video cards at it didn't help so who cares? I question whether crysis will ever run full steam on ANYTHING. Time is better spent looking at train wrecks. That game shouldn't even be mentioned benchmarking something. I'll wet myself laughing when the next monster comes out and pull 45 fps at crysis on a good day,

[xoqolatl]

I have said it many times and will say it again: did Far Cry turn out to be future of gaming? did CryEngine1 turn out to be most used and popular engine?
The same is true for Crysis and CryEngine2. It's a jungle rendering tech demo. It has nothing to do with future of gaming. I'd rather look at Source engine, UEngine3, next idTech (sadly no benches available yet).

[adamsleath]

consider the cost of the original 8800gtx vs the 9 series cards on the verge....that's basically the difference. 9 series is cheaper to make, and buy, and has similar performance to the 8800 series cards.

that's it.

next gen with big performance differences come later, in the future, not now.


so; what is left is: how much are the 9 series cards? and will they cost less than 8 series cards at launch and who will buy them?:lol:

not me for 1:hehe:

any1 with a gtx or ultra dont need them, so that leaves 'others'

[Epsilon84]

I'm more interested in gaming performance than 3DMark performance, so I'll reserve judgement until then. If you want to use 3DMark as an indication of gaming performance then the 2900XT would almost be as fast as the 8800GTX... ;)

[KoHaN69]

8800gtx Ftw :d

[TG01]

I question whether crysis will ever run full steam on ANYTHING.

There once was a time when nothing out there could run DOOM3 full steam..

[Papu]

There once was a time when nothing out there could run DOOM3 full steam..

lol no ati cards can run doom3 on full as it is Lolololbbq11111imsopro8800Ftwrzor

am i cool now?

bashing makes me sick... i loved my 2900.

[KoHaN69]

There once was a time when nothing out there could run DOOM3 full steam..

You're kidding right?
I played on max setting on my 9700 PRO

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think the need of a video card upgrade seems to be the desire to game at a native LCD resolution, rather than to game period.

. I'd rather look at Source engine, UEngine3, next idTech (sadly no benches available yet).

Source engine is amazing. It's the only engine of mainstream games that doesn't even require Directx9!
and vALVE is great about SDK and supporting modders. But its steam-platform and memory management could always use improvement. That said, 2-year old hardware could run most source games maxed out at decent framerates.

U3 is at least at least 2 years old now. And unfortunatelly many new games use it. Unlike source, epic has their heads up their arse and their wallets with nvidia, because there was no reason to drop SM2.0 support, losing all X800 owners - a significant cut of the market.

afaik, Carmack previewed idTech5 on a Macbook Pro. That, and the development on all platforms at once approach, suggest that it's just a mere evolution of Doom3 engine.

My point is - there are no clear-leading fairly optimized game engine that pushes modern hardware performance.

[zakelwe]

To be fair on Crysis, Far Cry made cards bleed for a long time and now is fine. Website testers have used it for a longtime and have just stopped using it as part of their testing in general. It still looks good. I think that Crysis will follow that as well. Could be a while waiting for it though.

As for this comparison, after the big jump nvidia did with G70 they have made small improvements it seems but mainly in keeping their margins up and getting the cards "potentially" ;) cheaper to the end user but have not concentrated that much on performance jumps. ATi has caught up with them to a larger degree though I think most people will say they are still a touch behind in general.

We are treading water until the next big jump forward.

Regards

Andy

[artissco]

This (or next) month will come out new 3dmark vantage and then we will see what is the best videocard for future games... With games what we play now, we can't see all potential what it can produce...

i think... or maybe im wrong... :rolleyes:

[mascaras]

Innovatek GeForce 9800 GX2 GPU Block Yours for 197 Euro

Still unreleased the NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GX2 can already be fitted with a 197 Euro water block. Set to cool all the card's vital components like GPU, RAM, the bridge chip and PWM area on both PCBs this block is Quad SLI ready and able to fit on all reference GeForce 9800 GX2 cards. Unfortunately, German is not my best language and that's the main reason for the brief introduction. Readers seeking for more information can click here (http://www.webshop-innovatek.de/assets/s2dmain.html?http://www.webshop-innovatek.de/00000094271139704/000000942713b3501/50142494350d3d711/5309759a530bfea01.html).

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http://www.techpowerup.com/54184/Innovatek_GeForce_9800_GX2_GPU_Block_Yours_for_197 _Euro.html


:up:

[Monkeywoman]

Gigabyte X38-DQ6
2x 1.024 MiByte DDR2-800 (5-5-5-18-2T)
Core 2 Extreme QX9770 @ 3,6 GHz (400x9)

[cantankerous]

Wow, the 1y old Ultra is still best in most of those tests, especially the important ones like UT3 and Crysis. Bah.

[flopper]

30k 3dmark06 is what we need in a midsegment card.

so far, the revisions sucks.
my 8800gt feels like old scrap.

[NH|Delph1]

No offense, but the last thing we need is more simulations. The last time someone did this it spread out of control and people started to refer the figures back and forth, and all of a sudden they became real ...

:down:

//Andreas

[RaZz!]

No offence, but the last thing we need is more simulations. The last time someone did this it spread out of control and people started to refer the figures back and forth, and all of a sudden the became real ...

:down:

//Andreas

yep. that was a total mess.

[grimREEFER]

the simulation is done with an overclocked 8800gts?

[TG01]

You're kidding right?
I played on max setting on my 9700 PRO
...

No I'm not...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/doom-3-tests_10.html#sect0

Doom 3 hellHole 1600x1200,FSAAx4+AF8x/16x
Geforce 6800Ultra 30.9 FPS...

Somewhat like Crysis on the fastest card out there today .. wouldn't you agree.. ?

And yes, your 9700 Pro did everything maxed out... on 800x600 maybe. Not exactly Full Steam is it..?

[Calmatory]

Wow, the 1y old Ultra is still best in most of those tests, especially the important ones like UT3 and Crysis. Bah.

Yes, but does 8800 Ultra really exist for an average joe? No, it does not. Nvidia isn't really fighting with Ultra anymore, and only reason it ever got released was to take the performance crown, not to be a practical "good choice" for very most of people. 8800GTS512 and GT are the ones which rule really.

[kromosto]

cant figure out which card to buy after my 7800gtx cant decide ?????

[Xope_Poquar]

No I'm not...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/doom-3-tests_10.html#sect0

Doom 3 hellHole 1600x1200,FSAAx4+AF8x/16x
Geforce 6800Ultra 30.9 FPS...

Somewhat like Crysis on the fastest card out there today .. wouldn't you agree.. ?

And yes, your 9700 Pro did everything maxed out... on 800x600 maybe. Not exactly Full Steam is it..?

Not to mention ATI cards only went up to 6x AA and Nvidia 8x AA. Nobody got to see the marveled 16x AA the game allowed.

[Eastcoasthandle]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/nvidiasgeforce9800gx2frzq7.jpg
Up to 90% performance increase over 8600GTS :hm:

[ownage]

[IMG]
Up to 90% performance increase over 8600GTS :hm:

LOL, is it a typo? :ROTF:

[HotGore]

LOL, is it a typo? :ROTF:

Why not just say "Over 9000x performance increase over the Voodoo 2!"

[NotFred]

Hmm... double the performance of a 8600GTS... that puts it just a bit behind an 8800GTX then :-P.

[kromosto]

i want a list how much performance increase it gives from ti4200

[ToTTenTranz]

Doom 3 hellHole 1600x1200,FSAAx4+AF8x/16x
Geforce 6800Ultra 30.9 FPS...

Somewhat like Crysis on the fastest card out there today .. wouldn't you agree.. ?

Nop.

The 8800 Ultra won't do 30FPS on Crysis on 1600*1200 DX10 Very High Settings and 4xAA/16XAF.
At those settings it probably does 15 fps if not less.


So yes, Crysis is a freak. And its multi-gpu issues don't help at all. I guess Crytek would have to release another multi-gpu patch (one that actually works, for instance) so that Crysis can be played on tri/quad-gpu configurations. Until then we simply can't play it on very high.

[dinos22]

LOL 90% faster than a 8600 series card
hahaha
that's just dodgy

[JAG87]

Up to 90% performance increase over 8600GTS :hm:


well now I'm impressed ... :para:

[Eastcoasthandle]

well now I'm impressed ... :para:

Well you will be floored by the price. After digging around the interwebs someone grabbed a screenshot with a suggested retail price of

















wait for it





















wait for it
























$680
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/9800gx2_2.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/AVATAR/avatar_1871.gif

If it does beat the X2 I wouldn't settle for a few frame gap for that price (if true).

[gundamit]

I'm pretty sure most will recognize the Frys tag and SKU style. Wonder if that was taken in one of their warehouses. Maybe in the back rooms of their retail stores now? Not really shocked by price - BTW. $80 over MSRP?

EDIT: You found the image at HardOCP forum here? (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032178645)

[nosboost300]

well nvidia certainly milked the g92 out for a good crapload of money

[Mad1723]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/eastcoasthandle/nvidiasgeforce9800gx2frzq7.jpg
Up to 90% performance increase over 8600GTS :hm:

It looks a lot like a 9600GT box... :shrug:

[Soulburner]

Even though it says 9800GX2 right on it?

Why bother comparing to 8600GTS? Looks like Nvidia is about to pull off the biggest ripoff in GPU history here. As if they weren't making enough money already.

[Richard Dower]

So no reason to dump the 8800GTX then??

[g0dM@n]

Why not just say "Over 9000x performance increase over the Voodoo 2!"

ROFL.... :D

[fireice2]

8800GT is still the best bang for buck single GPU solution. :D

[Sneil]

what for it





















what for it





erm i uh, think you mean wait for it..:lol2:
sorry couldn't resist:D

[Eastcoasthandle]

Looks like BLT may be getting their hands on a few. Price is around $600.00+ (assuming once add for S/H)

Source (http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=0110040015013_BQ40101P.shtml&order_id=745220105)

(this time with spell check. Must have been tired when I posted before :p:)

[NH|Delph1]

Looks like BLT may be getting their hands on a few. Price is around $600.00+ (assuming once add for S/H)

Source (http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=0110040015013_BQ40101P.shtml&order_id=745220105)

(this time with spell check. Must have been tired when I posted before :p:)

Told you so (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7396.html) :p:

//Andreas