9800GX2 to Launch on March 11 [Archive]

Scubar

02-12-2008, 05:19 AM

Yippiedooooo,

Not excited at all about this. Its only going to become another 7950GX2 and soon be forgotten about. GT200 comes out in a couple of months which should finally be what everyone has been waiting for since 6 months ago.

FischOderAal

02-12-2008, 05:28 AM

well, I'm not interested in dual-gpu-cards, but it will be interesting to see the fight between 9800GX2 and 3870X2.

Danger30Q

02-12-2008, 06:11 AM

The diagram clearly shows both a 6-pin and 8-pin PCI-E connectors.

Do you need both? This could really screw a lot of people who just have 6-pin connectors.

PRJ

02-12-2008, 06:20 AM

Wonder if the bundle will have a adaptor from 6 pin --> 8 pin power cable.. :shrug:

happychappy

02-12-2008, 06:24 AM

The diagram clearly shows both a 6-pin and 8-pin PCI-E connectors.

Do you need both? This could really screw a lot of people who just have 6-pin connectors.

I assume it'll be the same sort of deal with ATi cards, they run fine just no overclocking through drivers

BTK

02-12-2008, 03:20 PM

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeForce_9800_GX2_Launch_On_March_11th/5560.html

http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspics/Feb08/12/9800GX2label.gif

Nvidia has informed their partners that the launch date for GeForce 9800 GX2 has been pushed back to March 11th but most probably you can still see the cards during CeBIT. However, Nvidia hasn't provide partners with working cards yet and the final clock speeds have yet to be determined. In the meanwhile, Nvidia has asked the card partners to put up a label on their product boxes to address concerns about end users plugging in the 8-pin connector for motherboard into the 8-pin PCIe power connector on the 9800GX2 card.

n00b 0f l337

02-12-2008, 03:21 PM

Is it just me or is both little pieces on same inner side of the card going to make removing the power cords a pain in the ass.

LuckyNV

02-12-2008, 03:26 PM

I thought the card was a bit wider than that?

SNiiPE_DoGG

02-12-2008, 03:38 PM

Is it just me or is both little pieces on same inner side of the card going to make removing the power cords a pain in the ass.

very true, nvidia = failed on that one

Apoc@

02-12-2008, 03:41 PM

I realy think the 9800GX2 will be too expensive, they should not bring the card to the market. It will be a trouble-child for nVidia i think.

Jowy Atreides

02-12-2008, 03:41 PM

Is it just me or is both little pieces on same inner side of the card going to make removing the power cords a pain in the ass.

looks to be a sure pita :yepp:

Envydia007

02-12-2008, 03:43 PM

There is no point of buying this card.

GAR

02-12-2008, 04:09 PM

Apoc@

02-12-2008, 04:11 PM

There is no point of buying this card.

There is always a point why you should buy the card when it's fast. But don't call it logic when the price is too high for a card that is only a few % faster.

they thought the 3870x2 was going to be better

I really don't think that, they did know the power of the R680. How didn't, i mean it's just 2 RV670 chips on one PCB ( CrossFire with a little twist ). But what i think is that the price of the X2 really annoys nVidia. And that people may not see them as the number one in GPU speed. And the last is the only reason that this card will ever be released, the speed crown.

GAR

02-12-2008, 04:23 PM

all these dual chips are, is crossfire/sli sharing a 16x bus.......you are better off with true crossfire, or true SLi

Calmatory

02-12-2008, 04:25 PM

I agree, this card is a mistake and should have been canceled, but i think nvidia was in too deep.....they thought the 3870x2 was going to be better, it obviously gets beaten by an 8800ULTRA in real wold gaming.....NOT 3dmark

Too bad that Ultra isn't really "real world"-card IMO. 8800GT/GTS512 are more "real world"-cards. :P

Apoc@

02-12-2008, 04:37 PM

all these dual chips are, is crossfire/sli sharing a 16x bus.......you are better off with true crossfire, or true SLi

Can you give me a review where a CrossFire 3870 setup scales beter than a X2 because of the PCI-e 2.0 bus bottleneck?

The 3870X2 transfers data between GPUs through an onboard bridge chip, not through the PCI-e bus.

MuffinFlavored

02-12-2008, 04:44 PM

all these dual chips are, is crossfire/sli sharing a 16x bus.......you are better off with true crossfire, or true SLi

I think you would be better with developing new single card solutions, and leave SLI alone, so SLI can become more powerful with 2 new more powerful single cards.

jas420221

02-12-2008, 05:01 PM

Damn this is a couple days after my stepup program ends. Looks like its GTS g92.

[XC] gomeler

02-12-2008, 05:13 PM

Not the best way to do the power but who cares, this card will fade into the past with the launch of the 9800GTX.

PrometheusCon

02-12-2008, 05:58 PM

After falling for the 7950Gx2 then seeing the 8800Gtx come out and obliviate it, there is no way I'd go for this. I like the idea of SLI on a single card (for Intel mobos) but I don't like that they release a product 2x better only a short time later, for almost the same price.

Gunslinger

02-12-2008, 06:24 PM

Why can't they just decide, either 6 pin power, or 8 pin power. I really wish ATI and Nvidia would use one or the other. Would make cable management alot easier.

emoners

02-12-2008, 06:34 PM

Why can't they just decide, either 6 pin power, or 8 pin power. I really wish ATI and Nvidia would use one or the other. Would make cable management alot easier.

i agree... & getting a card like that would definitely make you get a PSU above 1KW:(

WRC

02-12-2008, 07:28 PM

since the pci-e 2.0 spec provides 150W per socket, why is there still need for 2 or possibly more connectors on a single card? :wave:

Knight

02-12-2008, 08:04 PM

since the pci-e 2.0 spec provides 150W per socket, why is there still need for 2 or possibly more connectors on a single card? :wave:

For the majority of PC users who don't have PCI-Ex 2.0. :)

GAR

02-12-2008, 08:23 PM

Can you give me a review where a CrossFire 3870 setup scales beter than a X2 because of the PCI-e 2.0 bus bottleneck?

The 3870X2 transfers data between GPUs through an onboard bridge chip, not through the PCI-e bus.

read some reviews, 3870 crossfire outperforms the 3870x2

google is your friend

lazy

02-12-2008, 08:51 PM

this is just going to be a waste of money

twin_savage

02-12-2008, 10:24 PM

i wonder if there will be just as bad of driver support on this as with the 7950gx2's

NightCrawler™

02-12-2008, 10:58 PM

Old news LOL http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=176811

;)

Apoc@

02-13-2008, 01:29 AM

read some reviews, 3870 crossfire outperforms the 3870x2

google is your friend

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1282/hd_3870_in_crossfire_vs_hd_3870_x2/index.html

The first hit in google, and no clear win for the CrossFire setup. But i have to admit the MSI runs a bit faster then a normal 3870 card. I think you can not say that a X2 will be faster or a CrossFire setup will be. I have never ment that, it will be a draw in the end i think. But i wanted too point out that theoraticly a X2 could have more scaling in CrossFire because you have taken some bottlenecks away. But in the end it's all up to the drivers.

G80

02-13-2008, 04:11 AM

Still waiting for a new single PCB/die card, all this multistuff is getting tiresome.

nemsis

02-13-2008, 05:41 AM

Still waiting for a new single PCB/die card, all this multistuff is getting tiresome.

me too

9800GTS

labs23

02-13-2008, 06:08 AM

Yeah, multistuffs with just a moderate scaling of performance... They just scale very good in "pricing" LOL...

Shintai

02-13-2008, 06:19 AM

Can you give me a review where a CrossFire 3870 setup scales beter than a X2 because of the PCI-e 2.0 bus bottleneck?

The 3870X2 transfers data between GPUs through an onboard bridge chip, not through the PCI-e bus.

X2 still uses PCIe bus. The bridge chip is nothing more than a 3 port PCIe 2.0 switch.

trans am

02-13-2008, 07:10 AM

is this 2 8800 gt's on a single pcb basically?

Kosior

02-13-2008, 07:14 AM

delay as always... hope it won't cost a bilion so i will finally upgrade my 7600 :D

jas420221

02-13-2008, 07:14 AM

is this 2 8800 gt's on a single pcb basically?GTS's, not GT's. :)

trans am

02-13-2008, 07:18 AM

GTS's, not GT's. :)

oh so this thing is going to cost an arm and a leg for sure!
If average price of a 512 8800gts is $350 then is it safe to say this card should be around $600?

K404

02-13-2008, 07:26 AM

fair point. These could easily launch @ £400 in the UK. GTS are still around £190 for the POV/Inno3D here, and up to £230 for BFG, eVGA etc

jas420221

02-13-2008, 07:41 AM

oh so this thing is going to cost an arm and a leg for sure!
If average price of a 512 8800gts is $350 then is it safe to say this card should be around $600?Nobody knows...

I just hope it will be $499.

trans am

02-13-2008, 08:00 AM

Nobody knows...

I just hope it will be $499.

If this card costs $499 we'll know for sure that hell has frozen over.

NightCrawler™

02-13-2008, 08:43 AM

Last time I checked my backyard it was doing just fine.... LOL

DamienKC

02-13-2008, 12:12 PM

Still waiting for a new single PCB/die card, all this multistuff is getting tiresome.

i honestly don't see the big deal. if it performs, why not?

G80

02-13-2008, 12:50 PM

700$+ Price tag, shoddy driver support, and massive power consumption...yeah why not.

jas420221

02-13-2008, 01:02 PM

700$+ Price tagA guess...

shoddy driver supportyour second guess (based off the past)

and massive power consumption...yeah why not.Negligably more than a 3870x2 on load (my guess)

da-key

02-13-2008, 01:44 PM

jas420221

02-13-2008, 02:07 PM

Honestly, anyone think this card will be priced any lower than $599 out the door?

Honestly what driver support can this card expect to recieve in the future based on past dual card solutions? I ask this as I know nothing about the 7950gx2 etc. only that there was mention of quad sli and not sure of the outcome on that.

Honestly who cares how much power this card will consume?

It's only competitor will be itself so why care about the power. The thought of trying to power this off some budget PSU makes me laugh..almost as much as Nascar.I believe it will be between $500-599, yes. BUT that depends solely on its performance. If it barely beats out the 3870x2, it will be closer to $500. If it spanks the 3870x2, it will be closer to $599.

7950gx2 and its drivers were just SLI. It had the same inherent problems as any SLI setup. I assume this to be the same.

I agree about the power, but I have confidence anything with 40A on a 12v rail will power 1 of these (and a 3870x2). The 3870x2 consumes a little more power than an 8800Ultra (~20W from what I saw) on load. An Ultra can be handled without a sweat by something like a Corsair HX520 (40A 12v)

BTK

02-13-2008, 02:50 PM

what the hell......i posted this originally and now my OP is merged in this thread.......

lior307

02-13-2008, 03:10 PM

When will they lunch the 9800GTS ??
And When ATI is going to lunch the R700 ??

Frodin

02-13-2008, 03:20 PM

When will they lunch the 9800GTS ??
And When ATI is going to lunch the R700 ??

When they're hungry, I hope.
Honestly, do we even know there will come to be such said products? It is all rumours, until it is made official by nvidia/ AMD.

jas420221

02-13-2008, 03:38 PM

R700 is 09 according to rumor sites.

There is no naming convention listed its just D9E (enthusiest), D9M (mainstream), and D9V (value).

Zytek_Fan

02-13-2008, 04:51 PM

R700 is 09 according to rumor sites.

There is no naming convention listed its just D9E (enthusiest), D9M (mainstream), and D9V (value).

R700 is still Q2 08. The 09 you hear about is FUD.

da-key

02-13-2008, 05:33 PM

R700 is still Q2 08. The 09 you hear about is FUD.

What's the source?

And can we get some specs?

G80

02-14-2008, 08:50 AM

A guess...
A single ultra costs above 600$ at launch, so what makes you think a GX2 will be any cheaper?.
your second guess (based off the past)
The GX2 will work great especially in 64bit Vista........
Negligably more than a 3870x2 on load (my guess)

And that has to do with what concerning single card/core?.

jas420221

02-14-2008, 09:47 AM

A single ultra costs above 600$ at launch, so what makes you think a GX2 will be any cheaper?The same thing that makes you think it will be more expensive...a hunch. Really though, it depends solely on its performance vs 3870x2 to see where it will be priced.

The GX2 will work great especially in 64bit Vista........Ok......thats a 180 degree turn from what you said earlier... :confused:

And that has to do with what concerning single card/core?.What does single card have to do with this? We were talking about the 3870gx2's power consumption vs this.

G80

02-14-2008, 01:01 PM

The same thing that makes you think it will be more expensive...a hunch. Really though, it depends solely on its performance vs 3870x2 to see where it will be priced.

The x2 is already 550-600$. So its either exactly on par with that price (which nvidia never is) or it could end up more if nvidia even got the slightest advantage. This is solely about who got the fastest/best card(s).

Ok......thats a 180 degree turn from what you said earlier... :confused:

Not really ;)

What does single card have to do with this? We were talking about the 3870gx2's power consumption vs this.

My discussion is based on single PCB/core vs what i called multistuff on the previous page, multistuff meaning SLI, CF, x2,GX2 etc. Which never can beat a single PCB/core in lower power consumption. I dont know how GX2 vs X2 manage to entagle itself onto the discussion.

alexio

02-14-2008, 01:06 PM

The x2 is already 550-600$. So its either exactly on par with that price (which nvidia never is) or it could end up more if nvidia even got the slightest advantage. This is solely about who got the fastest/best card(s).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241070&ATT=14-241-070&CMP=OTC-Froogle&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-GECUBE-_-14241070 $440 no rebates :rolleyes:

mascaras

02-14-2008, 01:06 PM

No GeForce 9800 GX2 at CeBIT 2008

Some last minute news from the informer VR-Zone. According to this information, NVIDIA has canceled the GeForce 9800 GX2 introduction during CeBIT 2008. All NVIDIA partners are ordered not to show the new card during the German computer show. The official launch date is set for March 11th and partners will receive the reference cards about a week before this date, meaning that working samples will already be available during CeBIT, but none of them will show its power.

VR-Zone (http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/No_GeForce_9800_GX2_%40_CeBIT/5564.html)

http://www.techpowerup.com/52548/No_GeForce_9800_GX2_at_CeBIT_2008.html

regards

G80

02-14-2008, 01:13 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241070&ATT=14-241-070&CMP=OTC-Froogle&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-GECUBE-_-14241070 $440 no rebates :rolleyes:

You would win if newegg shipped internationally which they dont.

alexio

02-14-2008, 01:19 PM

You would win if newegg shipped internationally which they dont.
I thought you were talking about US prices in US dollars. You should have made clear you were talking about European Dollars :rolleyes:

jas420221

02-14-2008, 01:45 PM

The x2 is already 550-600$. So its either exactly on par with that price (which nvidia never is) or it could end up more if nvidia even got the slightest advantage. This is solely about who got the fastest/best card(s).I thought you were talking about US prices in US dollars. You should have made clear you were talking about European Dollars :rolleyes:Exactly....

Not really ;)Want to bet?....shoddy driver support.......

My discussion is based on single PCB/core vs what i called multistuff on the previous page, multistuff meaning SLI, CF, x2,GX2 etc. Which never can beat a single PCB/core in lower power consumption. I dont know how GX2 vs X2 manage to entagle itself onto the discussion.Your power consumption statement was in regards to this thread's contents SO I THOUGHT, b/c that is what this thread is all about!!!!! NOT single card power...

Are you in the same thread as me....?:shakes: :shrug:

jas420221

02-14-2008, 01:55 PM

The x2 is already 550-600$. So its either exactly on par with that price (which nvidia never is) or it could end up more if nvidia even got the slightest advantage. This is solely about who got the fastest/best card(s).I thought you were talking about US prices in US dollars. You should have made clear you were talking about European Dollars :rolleyes:Exactly....

Not really ;)Want to bet?....shoddy driver support...........then....
The GX2 will work great especially in 64bit Vista........Thats about as 180 degrees as you can get dude.

My discussion is based on single PCB/core vs what i called multistuff on the previous page, multistuff meaning SLI, CF, x2,GX2 etc. Which never can beat a single PCB/core in lower power consumption. I dont know how GX2 vs X2 manage to entagle itself onto the discussion.I assumed your power consumption statement was in regards to what this thread is about, a DUAL GPU SOLUTION.
Are you in the same thread as me....?:shakes: :shrug:

G80

02-14-2008, 02:02 PM

Want to bet?

I would bet that you dident get my sarcasm about how well it would run under vista.

Not to mention, your power consumption statement was in regards to this thread's contents, a DUAL GPU SOLUTION.

Are you in the same thread as me....?:shakes: :shrug:

Why do you reply to me when you dont know what your replying to?. My sentiments were that i would take a single PCB/core card over the GX2 solution anyday.

I thought you were talking about US prices in US dollars. You should have made clear you were talking about European Dollars

If you provided a link to an internationall retailer there wouldent be a problem with currency.

jas420221

02-14-2008, 02:07 PM

You missed my edit..

Bottom line, Im not a mind reader, sarcasm doesnt translate well in the internet, and you didnt specify what monetary unit you were talking about.

alexio

02-14-2008, 02:10 PM

If you provided a link to an internationall retailer there wouldent be a problem with currency.
There wouldn't be a problem if you could make yourself clear or if you could admit being wrong.

On topic now please.

I'm getting an early sample of this card soon and when NDA is over I'll be the first to post comprehensive data about the card.

G80

02-14-2008, 02:27 PM

There wouldn't be a problem if you could make yourself clear or if you could admit being wrong

Ok next time i be more clear. Only reason why i quote US Dollars is for the sake of those who reads the forum.

WRC

02-14-2008, 10:14 PM

If this card costs $499 we'll know for sure that hell has frozen over.

:rofl: couldn't have said it better

jas420221

02-15-2008, 07:37 AM

I'm getting an early sample of this card soon and when NDA is over I'll be the first to post comprehensive data about the card.Awesome!

Can you tell us when the NDA is over? Last I heard these were being released 3/11...

lior307

02-15-2008, 08:16 AM

AMD better get this R700 to work like 2 GTS or Nvidia will win again
and the prices of the cards will rise again

alexio

02-15-2008, 09:22 AM

Awesome!

Can you tell us when the NDA is over? Last I heard these were being released 3/11...
Nvidia NDAs are always over at the launch date of the product to my knowledge. I don't have an official 9800GX2 NDA now, but all Nvidia NDAs I've seen and have are constructed the same way so if I just chance some dates and the product name and sign it may be possible to get behind back doors at Cebit if I don't have my card by then.