No more AMD on Dell.com - shocker

[metro.cl]

http://images.vnu.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/08/dell-dumps-amd/dell_dumps_amd.jpg

DELL APPEARS TO have dumped AMD unceremoniously from it's web site, relegating them to the retail ghetto. This is not good for AMD, not good at all.

Given AMD's woeful performance of late, it is hard to argue that Dell should prioritise AMD above Intel, but this seems a little harsh. In any case, as you can see in the pic below, and read for yourself here, there is no more AMD on Dell.com.

Weird move i dont see a positive side for AMD on this, maybe we will get a press release from AMD or something. So far this is only in the US and Europe (here in Chile i can still buy AMD systems).


Source: INQ (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/08/dell-dumps-amd)

[saaya]

weird.... why dont they let their customers decide?
price/perf wise amd still has some good offers, so this is weird.

its simple i think, intel rebates for being intel only mean more profits for dell than the profits they make selling amd systems.

[villa1n]

weird.... why dont they let their customers decide?
price/perf wise amd still has some good offers, so this is weird.

its simple i think, intel rebates for being intel only mean more profits for dell than the profits they make selling amd systems.

QFT

[RedBull78]

I don't blame them. It's like buying a system with Intel netburst technology. Intel raped AMD with conroe. That's an undeniable fact. It will take AMD some years to even match up with Intel. That's what happens when you hire a failed motorola CEO.

[Kunaak]

funny...

when Intel sucked ass... they sided with intel completly.
now that intels doing great, they drop AMD cause they arent doing great...

funny how that works in intels favor... still.
I wonder, how much intel pays dell?

[kiwi]

Real world business is harsh :p:

[roadie]

Odd, AMD are making great budget chips at the moment. The low end Brisbane X2s are really inexpensive and offer a good price to performance ration, especially for the tasks that someone buying a cheap computer is going to do.

[FischOderAal]

funny...

when Intel sucked ass... they sided with intel completly.
now that intels doing great, they drop AMD cause they arent doing great...

funny how that works in intels favor... still.
I wonder, how much intel pays dell?

exactly what I was thinking. :shakes: sometimes I feel bad I bought Intel :ROTF:

that's why I'll give AMD a try with AM3

[zanzabar]

funny...

when Intel sucked ass... they sided with intel completly.
now that intels doing great, they drop AMD cause they arent doing great...

funny how that works in intels favor... still.
I wonder, how much intel pays dell?

i dont think that u are so right they picked up amd when they had the am2 and that was trash now the am2+ is out and the turion with the amd chipset is being a great laptop they stop

a phenom is great with a $800 computer for people who want something to last

[FischOderAal]

so S939 sucked? I don't think so... at the time Intel was struggling to keep up with AMD most of the bigger OEMs still only sold Intel-systems.

but imho the biggest problem was that AMD had no own chipsets. but that's what companies want, they want ONE company to yell at and not be pushed from one manufacturer to the other...

€: you can still buy one Inspiron-system with an AMD processor here in germany

[zanzabar]

no for when dell picked it up dell picked up teh am2 when they saw that people liked the 939

and if u use search at dell u can get an amd system

[NapalmV5]

whore!

j/k :)

[knightwolf654]

they will the wont they will they wont will they make up there freakin mind!

[nemrod]

Odd, AMD are making great budget chips at the moment. The low end Brisbane X2s are really inexpensive and offer a good price to performance ration, especially for the tasks that someone buying a cheap computer is going to do.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-shootout_9.html#sect0

It could be discuss, but on these graphs this is only the 1k price. Dell buy probably much more and has probably better price...

[.Tret]

The INQ just didn't look hard enough. :shakes:

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DDDWEQE&s=dhs
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_1501?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pedge_t105?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

[metro.cl]

The INQ just didn't look hard enough. :shakes:

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DDDWEQE&s=dhs
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_1501?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pedge_t105?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

i know but the recomendation is still there, so probably is just a matter of time...

[R101]

And the circle is complete:

Dell started using AMD-cpus.

Intel paying for Dell exclusivity story died down.

AMD was drained of CPU's it could have sold for more money.

Dell got good deals from both companies.

AMD got in trouble.

Dell will be going Intel only again?

Hmm..

[onewingedangel]

AMD has constantly delayed and downgraded phenom and still can't supply them in reasonable numbers.

And you wonder why the customer has second thoughts about using them?

even during intels netburst fiasco them managed to produce and deliver the product on time, and the performance defecit I'm sure was reflected in reduced pricing to the OEM's - and considering a lot of people buy intel on brand recognition the netburst days may have been pretty good for a lot of oems - higher margins :D

Its the same now, core 2 betters amd at the high end, but also more than matches it at stock performance at any price point - so why sel amd when the intel system can command a higher premium and appeal to a wider audience that has heard of intel, but not amd?

As long as dell is open to using amd systems I think its fair to move away from their systems until they get their act back together or can offer a more competitive product either in niche markets or bang for the buck.

[freeloader]

Screw Dell. AMD did OK without them, what's the difference now? Let Dell put the screws to Intel on processor pricing.

[onewingedangel]

I don't think Dell are quite the power they once were, certainly they are a huge customer, but I don't think they are in the same position as they were a few years ago where a demand from dell would result in action from intel. Apple seem to have the cherry pick of new processors, which is a privelage formerly enjoyed by Dell.

[Zytek_Fan]

weird.... why dont they let their customers decide?
price/perf wise amd still has some good offers, so this is weird.

its simple i think, intel rebates for being intel only mean more profits for dell than the profits they make selling amd systems.

Well, the rebates were proved to have happened. Even if Dell forges their log books :down:

[n91htmare]

This is business......You don't partner with a company because you feel "bad" for them.... You partner with a company in hopes that the company will help you generate more revenue and more profit.

When that company fails to deliver, you dump it and go else where.

It's not Dell duty to keep AMD afloat and Dell loosing money themselves.

Get over it people, this is business and everyones in it to make money.

Dell invested money in engineering, manufacturing, AMD compatible parts such as motherboards and what not.... Now because AMD failed to deliver, these are all probably sunk costs... Now DELL has all this capacity to make and deliver AMD systems but AMD fails to deliver the utmost important piece of the puzzle. If I was dell, I'd be pissed to i'd move my resources elsewhere as well.

[nemrod]

Read the update here:
http://www.dailytech.com/Update+Dell+to+Stop+Selling+AMDbased+Inspirons+Onl ine/article10616.htm

[JamesAvery22]

I don't think Dell are quite the power they once were, certainly they are a huge customer, but I don't think they are in the same position as they were a few years ago where a demand from dell would result in action from intel. Apple seem to have the cherry pick of new processors, which is a privelage formerly enjoyed by Dell.

Apple may have some sweet behind the scenes deals with Intel but they don't have the numbers of HP or Dell.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/01/16/idc.on.2007.pc.sales/

HP sold 16.8million PCs, Apple sold 4.1. Dell lost some percentage but still has the majority of the market(more than HP).

Dell dumping AMD has nothing to do with performance of AMD's chips. AMD's ability to maintain a steady and cheap supply along with the guarantee of new generations was probably their downfall.
Other than Dell's highest performance systems the only factor Dell cares about is how cheap they can get a larger number of parts.

AMD's financial news and history alone would make any company wary of doing business with them. Regardless of how good/bad their product is.

This has nothing to do with Dell favoring Intel for their products or disliking AMD for its products. It has everything to do with Dell favoring Intel for its business practices, dependency, reputation and disliking AMD for its shaky financial situation.

[Face]

Update..

Dell 'committed' to AMD despite consumer kit shift to retail

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/08/dell_amd_retail/

With almost mud-like clarity, Dell has explained the way it's balancing the availability of AMD-based computers between its online, phone and retail sales channels. But one thing it wants us to be certain about is that it remains committed to AMD product lines.

Official Dell blog:

What's Going on with Dell and AMD?
Fri. Feb. 08, 2008by Lionel Menchaca, Digital Media Manager

Many folks have seen the post on Engadget about changes in Dell's AMD offerings online. Here's the deal.

Dell regularly adjusts its product offerings, and how customers can purchase those products. Currently the majority of our Inspiron AMD-based systems are available through our retail partners such as Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Staples, and through telephone sales. Our AMD-based energy-efficient consumer desktop, the Energy Star 4.0 Inspiron 531 is also still available on Dell.com.

Dell also sells a full range of AMD-powered business notebooks, desktops and servers online.Certain product ranges or models may only be available through specific channels such as retail or phone. We are committed to the AMD product lines as a long-term partner to provide the maximum choice for our customers.


http://direct2dell.com/one2one/default.aspx

[Spawne32]

:lol:

[railer]

i just got 4 amd systems from Dell for my company. we had to call to get them....

[Fixxxer]

AM who? :D

[duploxxx]

AMD has constantly delayed and downgraded phenom and still can't supply them in reasonable numbers.

And you wonder why the customer has second thoughts about using them?

even during intels netburst fiasco them managed to produce and deliver the product on time, and the performance defecit I'm sure was reflected in reduced pricing to the OEM's - and considering a lot of people buy intel on brand recognition the netburst days may have been pretty good for a lot of oems - higher margins :D

Its the same now, core 2 betters amd at the high end, but also more than matches it at stock performance at any price point - so why sel amd when the intel system can command a higher premium and appeal to a wider audience that has heard of intel, but not amd?

As long as dell is open to using amd systems I think its fair to move away from their systems until they get their act back together or can offer a more competitive product either in niche markets or bang for the buck.

inq news, forget it.... how many links do you need... its the same with the server part, well they only increased there amd offerings in there new linup that is coming for 2008

http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspndt_531?c=be&cs=bedhs1&l=nl&s=dhs

lol its all depending how you look at it... only when you have a cpu above 150$ that intel has better performance, below that its not, now add the price difference of the motherboard and the budget ones are much better for amd.

and what about intel and there 45nm.... DELL has to wait more then another month to get the e8xxx serie for high volume.... won't they be pissed about that you think?

[swami]

Customers..."do not want AMD"

[JumpingJack]

Meh, this is not too surprising -- http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=167360

We had the rumor, now we have a few indications what the rumor was pointing to.... in short, this is not good news for AMD no doubt, but it is far from devistating. AMD will remain in the retail channel inside Dell and select systems will remain online... as for Dell's reasoning, one only knows... but it is all about business, as one fella said above.

Dell dumping AMD has nothing to do with performance of AMD's chips. AMD's ability to maintain a steady and cheap supply along with the guarantee of new generations was probably their downfall.
Other than Dell's highest performance systems the only factor Dell cares about is how cheap they can get a larger number of parts.

In the retail/channel market, it is all about margins and price and having the product ready when it is wanted, performance matters not... from the OEM perspective, supply chain management is one aspect of the costs, and if AMD is incapable of fulling the obligations, Dell loses -- thus, it is prudent (if this is the case) to scale back and avoid supply problems... AMD wanted Dell, the got them and the overall deal has been less than benificial for AMD in general.

[Hockster]

I just saw this.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080208-reports-of-amds-demise-on-dell-com-premature.html

Dell may be rethinking its relationship with beleaguered CPU maker AMD. Yesterday, some of those searching dell.com for AMD systems were greeted with the following message: "Shop for Dell computers with AMD processors in retail stores. See our retail partners for details. Computers with AMD processors are not available online."

That message has since disappeared, and a search for "AMD" on dell.com returns three laptops (a Latitude, Vostro, and Inspiron) and a single OptiPlex 740, which the company markets as a business PC.

[nemrod]

AMD say there is no problem with dell.
http://www.clubic.com/actualite-93990-amd-non-dell-ne-prend-pas-la-tangente.html

[Omastar]

funny...

when Intel sucked ass... they sided with intel completly.
now that intels doing great, they drop AMD cause they arent doing great...

funny how that works in intels favor... still.
I wonder, how much intel pays dell?

QFT.

And I love the way The Inq cites AMD CPUs for 'woeful' performance. Really? Woeful? Hell, they've gotten more life and more performance out of 90nm than Intel could've ever dreamed. Thank God Intel Israel saved Intel USA's sorry ass with Pentium M.