SP1 may bring new woe to Vista owners

[safan80]

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/07/sp1-brings-woe-vista-owners

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9061400&pageNumber=1

SP1 may bring new woe to Vista owners

Drivers driving you mad

By Nick Farrell: Thursday, 07 February 2008, 5:40 PM

MICROSOFT'S SP1 upgrade for Vista might cause a few headaches for those who try to install it.

The Vole admitted earlier that Vista SP1 has some driver problems.

And Vista's launch was marred by the amount of ancient or really new hardware that would not run on the beast.

Now it seems that SP1 might also have difficulty in handling some hardware which might have gotten through on the first version.

It is also unclear whether some drivers made for Vista will still work with the tweaked SP1 version.

And if businesses who have been waiting for SP1 before upgrading suddenly switch, then there is going to be a huge demand for drivers that have not received the Vole's Vista blessing.

Although released to manufacturing earlier this week the hefty (550MB) update is still at least six weeks away from its opporunity to worm it's way into users' machines.

To be fair to the Vole, no one reported major troubles through the beta stages so this might be a storm in a teacup.

More here (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9061400&pageNumber=1). µ

[zanzabar]

they did redo the kennel and the sound API so there will be problems, i cant see much else havening problems

[alucasa]

Isn't that why SP1 would not install automatically if it thinks it will have problems? Though I have to wonder how smart is the detecting.

[Speederlander]

To be fair to the Vole, no one reported major troubles through the beta stages so this might be a storm in a teacup.

Sooo.... If this is the case aren't they showing serious bias in headlining this big banner about SP1 screwing people when there is no reason to believe that would be the case based on the testing to date?

[Knight]

Isn't that why SP1 would not install automatically if it thinks it will have problems? Though I have to wonder how smart is the detecting.

That is the statement that MS made, so lets see how good it is at detecting non compatible drivers. :D

[Richard Dower]

Oh, dear.

[ryan92084]

kinda old news. its due to the way drivers were installed (not complying with microsoft's recomended methods) so when you update to sp1 they get uninstalled. they said it just requires a simple reinstall (even with the non complying drivers) but that this isn't easy enough for some users so they are waiting for some vendors to update their drivers with compliant installation before releasing/allowing you to install sp1 to make it go as smooth as possible.

[adamsleath]

is vista the most used windows os yet?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137635/article.html
Microsoft chief financial officer Chris Liddell ratcheted up the percentage of OS sales the company expects XP to account for in fiscal year 2008 from 15 percent to 22 percent. Finally, in August, Microsoft announced an XP Service Pack 2c release that does nothing more than add new Windows XP product keys so the company can keep selling the OS to businesses through January 31, 2009.

from January through July of this year[2007], XP sales accounted for a healthy 42.3 percent of online and brick-and-mortar retail OS sales. By contrast, from January through July of 2002, after XP's launch in October the year prior, Windows 98 accounted for just 23.1 percent of retail sales.
ok i realise this is about vista;
but i am trying to gauge %age of total windows users currently with purchased copies of Vista.
Personally; currently i wouldnt even use it[vista] if it was free :shrug:

However; once the majority of users have Vista (or other) os i will get on the train.
January 31, 2009.

[chew*]

I have win2k, volume users licensed xp pro, and vista premium, I prefer 2k over them all however with quads its useless.......I'm sure microsoft could patch it but then how would they force a switch to new Os's.

I like vista, once you tweak it its no worse than xp, and less buggy than xp was when released, only complaint is its heavy ram usage (350-400mb idle) and Its constantly acessing the HD at idle.........and windows tile doesn't work without the bling bling.

[strange|ife]

Ive been running beta 744 refresh with no serious issues, I havent been on my comp much lately though to really test drive sp1

[Mindfield]

Anti-Vista, anti-Microsoft FUD. I had SP1 installed and no problems. No driver had any problem, whether installed before SP1, during, or after I uninstalled the service pack. I wish computer sites would stop trying to get hits by bashing Vista and making incredible claims without any proof.

Edit: And why are manufacturers that are too lazy or too cheap to invest in solid drivers and support their product suddenly Microsoft's fault?

[GAR]

actually, SP1 is awsome.

[Mortal]

Anti-Vista, anti-Microsoft FUD.

I agree. I got to the point where I couldn't stomach the vitriolic comments INQ make against companies - that includes the pseudo-names they pertain to a company. I'm sure it's just their journalistic style, which others may find good, but it really irks me.

From what I've seen SP1 has been a step up. I look forward to installing it when it's officially released. :)

[Nullack]

Inquirer is always anti Vista. Its unprofessional and it lacks any real critical reasoning. Theres no problem with trying to constructively criticise products but the Inquirer just dont have any depth to their verbage. Their useless.

[Shintai]

Running Vista with the SP1 RC refresh. No issues.

[Jamesrt2004]

No issues for me I think i've seen a couple online with the refresh "rtm" 18000 like im running with high end sli

seems to be the case and that seemes to be down in crysis and the like (pushing gfx hard games) so im not sure lols

nvidias fault :D?

as it's the only driver issues i've came across/read about

[flopper]

Companies not applying to microsofts criteria and write drivers properly are hardly Microsofts fault.

One of the reasons security and stability works are to write drivers meeting a particular standard, knowing how people do things normally I am not suprised that a lot of programmers do that since most are monkies hacking the keyboard.
;)

[NapalmV5]

@ no/zero problems on vista/sp1

do you guys even use your vista computers at all? just wondering..

cause only the people that dont use their computers/know computers much claim vista to be the awesome os that it is

:rolleyes:

[Syn.]

@ no/zero problems on vista/sp1

do you guys even use your vista computers at all? just wondering..

cause only the people that dont use their computers/know computers much claim vista to be the awesome os that it is

:rolleyes:

sorry? Are you saying that because we like Vista and say is good we must be noobs?

[Mindfield]

@ no/zero problems on vista/sp1

do you guys even use your vista computers at all? just wondering..

cause only the people that dont use their computers/know computers much claim vista to be the awesome os that it is

:rolleyes:
My main computer is running Vista64 solely. I use it for everything, from gaming, overclocking, edit/encoding, office apps, etc.

I have a lot of experience with computers and yet I still prefer Vista ( though I haven't tried Lepard yet :p:

[chew*]

I'm running vista w/ SP1 final that I got straight from MS Windows update ;) I'm not big on third party Dl's for MS software. I would say its a great improvement, and for the record xp was in worse shape on release than vista ever was.......I'm not a beta tester btw......

I ran tons of test with xp pro versus 2k pro and 2k always handed XP its ass, only reason I left 2k is no quad support.........I will run one more test of xp against 2k on the release of SP3 but i'm willing to bet that 2k will win once again........

At this point in time yes xp has a performance advantage over vista, so does 2k over xp.......Point being if theres more to the OS then of course its not going to perform as fast......Fwiw with the amount of services running in vista, if the same amount were running in xp it would probably be equal or even possibly slower........

[Pacha]

what a mess around vista... RTM, but no official launch for common users...
I'm still not ready yet to spend much time optimizing vista to have it working as good as xp pro. Spent much time over the years to find out what is real optimization for this one and what is not, configure it personally the better way (for me) to make it lighter and faster. Taking care of it regularly and it runs great, really.

Can anybody running new SP1 RTM tell me whether it's really faster/improved over standard Vista install, trying to detail what you guys actually saw as improvements, not just having seen "SP1" in winver window, or just 3 sec gained during boot or such.
I have to say I tried Vista Business 32 bits and I was not very happy with it. I'm expecting much about SP1 improvements, thus I may try it out and maybe migrate.

[chew*]

If you want to try it and you only trust MS, download this extract it with winrar, follow the instructions......then use windows update ;) and get it directly from MS
cheers

http://www.mediafire.com/?aymzixd9z3z

As far as extensive testing, I havent gotten that far yet, It appears snappier though

the final build is 1840

[Hornet331]

is vista the most used windows os yet?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137635/article.html


ok i realise this is about vista;
but i am trying to gauge %age of total windows users currently with purchased copies of Vista.
Personally; currently i wouldnt even use it[vista] if it was free :shrug:

However; once the majority of users have Vista (or other) os i will get on the train.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=11

take it with a grain of slat, this statistic only provides with what os consumers surf the web.

[Jamesrt2004]

what a mess around vista... RTM, but no official launch for common users...
I'm still not ready yet to spend much time optimizing vista to have it working as good as xp pro. Spent much time over the years to find out what is real optimization for this one and what is not, configure it personally the better way (for me) to make it lighter and faster. Taking care of it regularly and it runs great, really.

Can anybody running new SP1 RTM tell me whether it's really faster/improved over standard Vista install, trying to detail what you guys actually saw as improvements, not just having seen "SP1" in winver window, or just 3 sec gained during boot or such.
I have to say I tried Vista Business 32 bits and I was not very happy with it. I'm expecting much about SP1 improvements, thus I may try it out and maybe migrate.

I have a really crappy system and it increased it's responsiveness ALOT that its just a tiny bit slower then my xp now

if i were you DEFINATELY get the sp1

[h@RRy]

Back to square 1...

[jas420221]

Ok, lets everyone sign along......F U D!!!

Vista has been fine for me since RC1, through VBusiness, VPremium, and now SP1. And to the silly man that posted those that say vista is fien doesnt use their computer......I wish I could post what I really want to, but since I cant, I will just LOL at you for such an ignorant and misinformed statement.

[trans am]

When they start selling slipstreamed sp1 dvd's I'll buy it.

[twiggy]

@ no/zero problems on vista/sp1

do you guys even use your vista computers at all? just wondering..

cause only the people that dont use their computers/know computers much claim vista to be the awesome os that it is

:rolleyes:

Nah we just install Vista then turn off the computer to never use it again..Plus I've only been working with computers for only 9 years...:rolleyes:

My computer is on 24/7, folds 24/7, and I've really never had probs with Vista. Its my gaming machine too.:yepp:

[adamsleath]

Edit: And why are manufacturers that are too lazy or too cheap to invest in solid drivers and support their product suddenly Microsoft's fault?
yes it's not the point to play the blame game, but the lag time for everyone to jump onboard with drivers maybe as commented in above quote, and if the common user pleb is anything like me they are too lazy to deal with all the buggy shyte as they find it very boring and annoying generally.
&and im ready to whinge when the next windows os comes out aswell:lol:

...and anyway if there were no complaints would service packs be any different?
some feedback may be constructive.

[Reznik Akime]

@ no/zero problems on vista/sp1

do you guys even use your vista computers at all? just wondering..

cause only the people that dont use their computers/know computers much claim vista to be the awesome os that it is

:rolleyes:

Seriously? Granted you may not like Vista there is no need to insult the ones who prefer it. I could say that all Mac users are pompous jerks or all Linux/BSD users are obese folk living in their parent's basements.

Is that actually the case? No. So please, take you dislike on the OS out on the said OS. Not on the userbase. Quite unnecessary..

In other news, I would file this under FUD myself because SP1 actually improved Vista by great strides. Since the kernel and Sound API was slightly modified its quite possible that such issues could present their selves but I think the issue is just as relevant as AMD's TBL issue. About 90% of the people who use it won't see it.