Gametrailers admits PS3/360 comparison videos are innaccurate

[Ub3r-L33ch]

We don't create these videos for the fanboys. That's not the point. We create them so that people who own both systems can be a little more informed on which version to buy. It's the fanboys that turn the comments section for these videos into a debacle.

As for using RGB or adjusting the white levels on the PS3, that completely defeats the point of these videos. We play both systems on default settings with the same cabling. If we were to adjust the settings on the PS3 to make it look better then we'd be sacrificing the integrity of the video. It's not the other way around.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=283036&page=1

Video of the PS3 settings changes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HvdRfUmoqQ

I can only imagine the fanboy wars this is going to start. In any case whether intentional or unintentional, it now appears that the PS3 wasn't nearly as bad as we have been led to believe.

[Syn.]

Yea right, a quote of apperently GT employe yet provides no source or it doesnt say who said it.

Plus all the quote says is that both systems are just plugged in and game is played no settings are touched on either system to make the other look better or worse.

The only comments i see in the GT forum is off PS3 owners misinterpenting unproven quote and talking about bias when there is no bias proven.

Fanboys will be still be fanboys, but the facts dont change.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Yea right, a quote of apperently GT employe yet provides no source or it doesnt say who said it.

Plus all the quote says is that both systems are just plugged in and game is played no settings are touched on either system to make the other look better or worse.

The only comments i see in the GT forum is off PS3 owners misinterpenting unproven quote and talking about bias when there is no bias proven.

Fanboys will be still be fanboys, but the facts dont change.

If you check out the youtube video you can see the differences in the PS3 settings and it does look like the typical "washed out" effect we are used to seeing in their comparison videos. There really is something to that setting.

[Syn.]

If you check out the youtube video you can see the differences in the PS3 settings and it does look like the typical "washed out" effect we are used to seeing in their comparison videos. There really is something to that setting.

yes it might be that default setting on PS3 makes things worse but why should GT work at making PS3 look as best it could?

Default settings for both systems, just the same as most people do with consoles. They plug the console to the TV, put the game in and play they dont tinker with settings to see if they can improve things by few notches. Thats what we here at XS would do or the people that would actually look at comparison videos.

So the bottom line is, default settings for both systems no exceptions. Blame Sony for using poor image settings for PS3 as default.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

yes it might be that default setting on PS3 makes things worse but why should GT work at making PS3 look as best it could?

Default settings for both systems, just the same as most people do with consoles. They plug the console to the TV, put the game in and play they dont tinker with settings to see if they can improve things by few notches. Thats what we here at XS would do or the people that would actually look at comparison videos.

So the bottom line is, default settings for both systems no exceptions. Blame Sony for using poor image settings for PS3 as default.

That's kind of a lame excuse IMO. I know these are consoles but on our PC games we never just go with the default settings.

Doesn't matter anyways, the information is out there now. The fact that the PS3 looks much better than what we were led to believe is real, doesn't matter whose fault it is that the setting is not default or not being used.

[Syn.]

That's kind of a lame excuse IMO. I know these are consoles but on our PC games we never just go with the default settings.

Doesn't matter anyways, the information is out there now. The fact that the PS3 looks much better than what we were led to believe is real, doesn't matter whose fault it is that the setting is not default or not being used.

Your confusing your self. PC gamers and Console gamers are different.

PC Gamer:
- Updates his PC's drivers to latest version
- Waits 20min while the game installs on his PC and then has to go through window after window of activation/drm options.
- Once the installation is done he downloads the latest patch for game v1.9999 which is about 200mb.
- If the game has multiplayer or require internet access he set up his firewall to let the game through.
- Once the patch is installed he then starts the game up goes into Options menu's and adjusts the menu's for the best possible settings on his PC.
- Plays a bit of the game tests the settings out finds something can be changed and goes back to Options menu and makes more adjustments.
- When he finds the prefect settings he then finally starts playing the game.

Console Gamer:

- Turns the TV on, turns the console on.
- Puts the disc into the console the game loads.
- Takes the controller in his hands and starts playing the game.


Gaming on consoles is mainstream because it takes all the tinkering out of gaming and just lets you play the damn game. Today's consoles are like custom built PC's so they now have options menu which has to visited so that the gamer gets best out of the games, something that console gamers never had to do. Plus with the online gaming hitting mainstream on consoles game developers can now release patches for their games on consoles as well.

You see the console has changed and the console gamer who is coming from the PS2 does not fully care about options menu. My friend has PS3 and he never touched the settings he has 1080p TV and he was playing games on 720p resolution.

So what i said is not an excuse its a fact. Console gamers do not, yet, worry about if their settings are adjusted the best they can be.

Also you speak as this is some big revolutinery fact that the whole world neads to hear. Guess what 90% of PS3 owners never visited a site like GT, they do not care how the game looks on X360. They are perfectly happy and satisfied with the game graphics they have on thier PS3 and see no reason to care about why a site like GT does not use custom settings to make PS3 games look the best they can so that they can show others how good thier PS3 is.

[Super strokey]

Honestly I agree with the way they do it, it should a comparison right out of the box. If the settings are on then great, if they are not then fine too. A regular joe doesnt screw around with settings and as a result all reviews and comparisons should be done in the exact same way as the regular public would see and play the game.

[Machinus]

Just play Wii...

[Skratch]

Um I own both systems and run them on my 1080p sony xbr4.The first thing I did was set the ps3 up to run high dev 1080p and went threw all the settings threw its hdmi and I did the same on my xbox.

I also paid like 60 bucks for the high def cables for the xbox 360,ofcourse us normal consumers are going to run the systems at there max,why else would we buy systems that run 1080p?

oh and I think the sony defaults to 480i low rez before you set it up in the menus

[afireinside]

RGB full range just changes the output from 16-235 to 0-255 for proper display on computer LCDs or LCDs that support full RGB range. The xbox 360 had a "washed out" issue over the VGA adapter on PC LCDs for the same reason. They then included "reference levels" I think it was called in one of the updates that allowed 0-255 output over VGA.

MOST TVs expect 16-235. Unless you're playing on a TV that supports and is properly calibrated for 0-255 or a computer monitor, "full" RGB range is NOT the correct choice.

Neither the youtube video or the GT video states what display they use :stick:

[Syn.]

Um I own both systems and run them on my 1080p sony xbr4.The first thing I did was set the ps3 up to run high dev 1080p and went threw all the settings threw its hdmi and I did the same on my xbox.

I also paid like 60 bucks for the high def cables for the xbox 360,ofcourse us normal consumers are going to run the systems at there max,why else would we buy systems that run 1080p?

oh and I think the sony defaults to 480i low rez before you set it up in the menus

but you are XS member, you do not belong in normal consumer group.

RGB full range just changes the output from 16-235 to 0-255 for proper display on computer LCDs or LCDs that support full RGB range. The xbox 360 had a "washed out" issue over the VGA adapter on PC LCDs for the same reason. They then included "reference levels" I think it was called in one of the updates that allowed 0-255 output over VGA.

MOST TVs expect 16-235. Unless you're playing on a TV that supports and is properly calibrated for 0-255 or a computer monitor, "full" RGB range is NOT the correct choice.

Neither the youtube video or the GT video states what display they use :stick:

Thanks for clearing that up i was ready to go to my m8's house and set up his PS3, again, with these new settings but now it seems i need to check what his TV does first.

[realsmasher]

That's really funny.

they compare stuff like Oblivion in 720p, while x360 ist capable of 1080(ps3 not), but the Ps3 fanboys complain ? :rofl:

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Your confusing your self. PC gamers and Console gamers are different.

PC Gamer:
- Updates his PC's drivers to latest version
- Waits 20min while the game installs on his PC and then has to go through window after window of activation/drm options.
- Once the installation is done he downloads the latest patch for game v1.9999 which is about 200mb.
- If the game has multiplayer or require internet access he set up his firewall to let the game through.
- Once the patch is installed he then starts the game up goes into Options menu's and adjusts the menu's for the best possible settings on his PC.
- Plays a bit of the game tests the settings out finds something can be changed and goes back to Options menu and makes more adjustments.
- When he finds the prefect settings he then finally starts playing the game.

Console Gamer:

- Turns the TV on, turns the console on.
- Puts the disc into the console the game loads.
- Takes the controller in his hands and starts playing the game.


Gaming on consoles is mainstream because it takes all the tinkering out of gaming and just lets you play the damn game. Today's consoles are like custom built PC's so they now have options menu which has to visited so that the gamer gets best out of the games, something that console gamers never had to do. Plus with the online gaming hitting mainstream on consoles game developers can now release patches for their games on consoles as well.

You see the console has changed and the console gamer who is coming from the PS2 does not fully care about options menu. My friend has PS3 and he never touched the settings he has 1080p TV and he was playing games on 720p resolution.

So what i said is not an excuse its a fact. Console gamers do not, yet, worry about if their settings are adjusted the best they can be.

Also you speak as this is some big revolutinery fact that the whole world neads to hear. Guess what 90% of PS3 owners never visited a site like GT, they do not care how the game looks on X360. They are perfectly happy and satisfied with the game graphics they have on thier PS3 and see no reason to care about why a site like GT does not use custom settings to make PS3 games look the best they can so that they can show others how good thier PS3 is.

In that case make sure you don't configure network connection, setup a PSN account, audio settings, power save settings, etc. ... because that is not how it is set by default. You definitely want a completely default setting, changing anything is a bunch of horseshlt. You should be able to turn the system on and the damn thing better already be configured for your exact needs and hardware!

Like I said, it doesn't matter anymore. Sony can keep that the default setting for all anyone cares, the setting is now known across the internet, everyone will be using it. Most everyone will now know the PS3 is not so bad after all compared to the 360.

[clayton]

Just play Wii...

When the day they finally get decend online-play and not the worst multi-platform versions.

[Skratch]

but you are XS member, you do not belong in normal consumer group.



Thanks for clearing that up i was ready to go to my m8's house and set up his PS3, again, with these new settings but now it seems i need to check what his TV does first.

My brother knows nothing about computers and bought the hd cables the day he got the 360,you are nuts if you think regular consumers dont know what the hd gaming is.90% of the people that got the ps3 got it for its blu ray and most def have high def tvs,btw they did just drop 600 on it.

I think you are confusing nintendo wii consumers for xbox and sony,the wii is for kids and they just hook it up and play.

all of my frineds that rock 360s and ps3 rock 46+ 1080p LCDS and they dont know crap about computers,but know what 1080p is.

[Syn.]

My brother knows nothing about computers and bought the hd cables the day he got the 360,you are nuts if you think regular consumers dont know what the hd gaming is.90% of the people that got the ps3 got it for its blu ray and most def have high def tvs,btw they did just drop 600 on it.

I think you are confusing nintendo wii consumers for xbox and sony,the wii is for kids and they just hook it up and play.

all of my frineds that rock 360s and ps3 rock 46+ 1080p LCDS and they dont know crap about computers,but know what 1080p is.

did he check the colour channel settings so that they match the colours his tv uses?

[Skratch]

did he check the colour channel settings so that they match the colours his tv uses?

no but he tried every little setting in there to see wich ones gives the best picture and tweaked his tv also.

Little kids dont spend 600 on a ps3 and then 60 on some nice hdmi cables.What you said is exactly what the wii kids do like my youngest brother that just played it and has no idea what composite or hd ect. means

[Syn.]

no but he tried every little setting in there to see wich ones gives the best picture and tweaked his tv also.

Little kids dont spend 600 on a ps3 and then 60 on some nice hdmi cables.What you said is exactly what the wii kids do like my youngest brother that just played it and has no idea what composite or hd ect. means

My friends arent little kids they are all 20+ they know stuff about HD, they didnt touch any of thier settings.

You can try argue this point as mouch as you want, fact is console gamers dont do option menu's.

[DShankar]

I've known for quite awhile that they aren't as accurate because the PS3 looks more washed out due the 'full color' setting or something. I have both the PS3 and 360 and I haven't noticed a difference. The only accurate review I can think of is the FEAR PS3 review. FEAR truly sucks for the PS3, washed out, low res..eughh.

[Skratch]

My friends arent little kids they are all 20+ they know stuff about HD, they didnt touch any of thier settings.

You can try argue this point as mouch as you want, fact is console gamers dont do option menu's.

do you have a ps3?or ever used one?There is countless options in the menus about setting it up.If you have a sony tv it does an auto deteck and picks every setting for you.Its not rocket science here bud.The ps3 dosnt run 1080p by defualt and your saying everyone that bought one just hooked it up and played what ever came out on the screen wich is plain silly.

[Jamesrt2004]

do you have a ps3?or ever used one?There is countless options in the menus about setting it up.If you have a sony tv it does an auto deteck and picks every setting for you.Its not rocket science here bud.The ps3 dosnt run 1080p by defualt and your saying everyone that bought one just hooked it up and played what ever came out on the screen wich is plain silly.

Well every mate I have with one 20+ just plugged in and played no menu's or options for them as they don't know what any of it means tbh even when they paid £300 for them

[Skratch]

Well every mate I have with one 20+ just plugged in and played no menu's or options for them as they don't know what any of it means tbh even when they paid £300 for them

must be different over seas,we push 1080p here like its the best thing since sliced bread.I dont even think you can buy tvs here anymore that are not hd sets.You walk into a best buy and they have ps3s and xboxs running 1080p on display and they push 1080p alot here.

[PrometheusCon]

If you plug and play then you don't deserve 1080p! I don't see how people can buy a 600$ console and NOT tinker around with it. I mean if they really are that technology illiterate then they will read the manual and find out about those settings.

[Kingcarcas]

Meh, i don't give a damn even if the 360 has better graphics. PS3 graphics are a million times better on my 50'' plasma than playing my PS2 on a 27'' SDTV. Besides most 360 games are available on PC anyway.

[DeathReborn]

My friends arent little kids they are all 20+ they know stuff about HD, they didnt touch any of thier settings.

You can try argue this point as mouch as you want, fact is console gamers dont do option menu's.

Even on the PS1 & PS2 regular punters use menu's so you do need to rethink your argument a little bit. My mom had never even used a console before I got the PS3, she's a nightmare with DVD Recorders & PVR's but even she managed to configure a PS3 without me telling her what to do.

Most people won't go into the Advanced Options without reading the manual/instructions or asking other people that have the gadget but to say nobody but "geeks/nerds/brainiacs" do it is to put it bluntly, a foolish thing to say.

[MuffinFlavored]

That's kind of a lame excuse IMO. I know these are consoles but on our PC games we never just go with the default settings.

That is almost why I like console gaming MORE.
There is one hardware standard for game developers, so they can develop things that will work great on that hardware, and nothing more.
PC games have their requirements, yes, but they still have to make it somewhat playable.

As far as the PS3 goes, I see it as the best $400 peice of hardware out there.
As far as Xbox 360 goes, I just got done playing CoD4 and I love it.

[Syn.]

do you have a ps3?or ever used one?There is countless options in the menus about setting it up.If you have a sony tv it does an auto deteck and picks every setting for you.Its not rocket science here bud.The ps3 dosnt run 1080p by defualt and your saying everyone that bought one just hooked it up and played what ever came out on the screen wich is plain silly.

If you followed this thread you would have noticed that i mention that i dont own one but some of my friends do and i play games on PS3 when i go round to see them. When ever i go to any of my friends that own PS3's they never touched any of the options in the menu's unless they had to i.e the colour range option. When picture and sound is there and the game loads there is no reason why any other setting should be touched. All they did was set up the settings so that the HDMI cable is recognised and do the account creation so that they begin playing the games. What i am trying to say is none of console gamers i know make the effort to fix a problem that is not there. That includes fixing the colour range so that all colours are correctly displayed on their £600 TV. They never assume that their might be an option that is disabled by default that might improve their experience so they never look for one.

Even on the PS1 & PS2 regular punters use menu's so you do need to rethink your argument a little bit. My mom had never even used a console before I got the PS3, she's a nightmare with DVD Recorders & PVR's but even she managed to configure a PS3 without me telling her what to do.

Most people won't go into the Advanced Options without reading the manual/instructions or asking other people that have the gadget but to say nobody but "geeks/nerds/brainiacs" do it is to put it bluntly, a foolish thing to say.

I dont know who you quoting there but i never said those words. The only stereotypes i used where PC gamers and Console Gamers. As for the rest the same thing i said before applies here.

Sorry but you seem to have misunderstood me.

[Soulburner]

The reason for the default setting is obvious.

What happens if you hook a 1080p output to an SDTV? Or even a max 720p HDTV? Exactly...maximum compatibility. It is no different than changing your monitor from a 24" 1920x1200 to a 20" 1680x1050 - if you didn't change the resolution being output by the computer, you will get a black screen when you hook it up.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

While I am interested in arguing that the options should be looked at and not just "assumed" to be ready to rock n roll no matter what, I am mostly interested in the fact that the PS3 games look A LOT better than what we've been seeing and hearing ... that is really good news. This whole time I really thought the PS3 was doing so bad compared to the 360, it's not true though.

[KoHaN69]

You guys do realise, that this entire thread is becoming a fanboy flamewar, right? :nono:

[Skratch]

IM starting to like my ps3 more and more the more I use it,I only own one game but the thing is a master media center right now.I have about 10 dvix movies on it and a buch of mp3s and love how well the thing upconverts regular dvd movies on my 1080p LCD.

I got it in a bundle with my tv and mostly for the bluray playback but this system is growing on me.

[strange|ife]

only reason to buy a ps3 imo is for F@H.

The game library blows, let's be honest here.

[fragmasterMax]

Just play Wii...

The wii is just a slightly upgraded game cube, with a different style controller.
Honestly, i'm surprised so many people have been fooled. (If you want real exercise try going for a run, imo)

[Jamesrt2004]

only reason to buy a ps3 imo is for F@H.

The game library blows, let's be honest here.

SHH ;) :p:

-Waits for Dynasty warriors 6 :D -

[Syn.]

While I am interested in arguing that the options should be looked at and not just "assumed" to be ready to rock n roll no matter what, I am mostly interested in the fact that the PS3 games look A LOT better than what we've been seeing and hearing ... that is really good news. This whole time I really thought the PS3 was doing so bad compared to the 360, it's not true though.

Graphics wise PS3 games and X360 have always looked pretty much the same. The only difference was on GT showing different colours on PS3 compared to X360, the graphics and functionality where always the same.

So to say that they look A LOT better is just blowing it way out of proportion. I personally played Assassin's Creed on PS3 and X360 and i never stopped and said ooo look the X360 version is sooo much better, they always looked exactly the same to be and played the same. Sometimes i would forget what system i am playing on because the controlls are the same as well.

You guys do realise, that this entire thread is becoming a fanboy flamewar, right? :nono:

which fanboy am i?

[deathman20]

Thats nice but definatly that should be listed in the options easily switched somewhere when the console powers on for the first time.

Heck when I got the X360 all I did was plugged it in really quick and started playing. I didn't mess around with any settings for a few days. I had internet, 1080P all that up and running quickly and was able to play when I got it and didn't want to look at settings. Thats the great part about consoles, plug & play. I don't care if it costed $5000, people with consoles want plug & play out of box.

If I had to buy a console again I'd get the X360 still, and did what I did with the PS2/Xbox erra of consoles, I had a PS2 originally and after a while when it lived, I sold off the PS2 and went to the Xbox. We'll I'll have the X360 for a while hopefully then I'll go to a PS3.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Graphics wise PS3 games and X360 have always looked pretty much the same. The only difference was on GT showing different colours on PS3 compared to X360, the graphics and functionality where always the same.

So to say that they look A LOT better is just blowing it way out of proportion. I personally played Assassin's Creed on PS3 and X360 and i never stopped and said ooo look the X360 version is sooo much better, they always looked exactly the same to be and played the same. Sometimes i would forget what system i am playing on because the controlls are the same as well.



which fanboy am i?

I guess that depends on your definition of a lot better then. I saw the video on youtube with the guy changing between the settings and it was significantly better. I checked it myself and noticed a big difference as well. Not to mention if you remember reading around on multi-platform launches there were plenty of people that kept saying the PS3 looks "washed out", and with this color option set to Full that is no longer the case.

So yes to me, it is A LOT better. I don't care if you agree or not. There are plenty of people that will definitely be glad to know about this feature and use it.

[Eastcoasthandle]

RGB full range just changes the output from 16-235 to 0-255 for proper display on computer LCDs or LCDs that support full RGB range. The xbox 360 had a "washed out" issue over the VGA adapter on PC LCDs for the same reason. They then included "reference levels" I think it was called in one of the updates that allowed 0-255 output over VGA.

MOST TVs expect 16-235. Unless you're playing on a TV that supports and is properly calibrated for 0-255 or a computer monitor, "full" RGB range is NOT the correct choice.

Neither the youtube video or the GT video states what display they use :stick:
Excellent POINT!

If you are going to change those settings a reviewer would also need to recommend certain HDTV or calibration equipment/software for your HDTV that fully take advantage of it. Because of how complicated this can get it's not worth mentioning in a review END OF STORY.

[Syn.]

I guess that depends on your definition of a lot better then. I saw the video on youtube with the guy changing between the settings and it was significantly better. I checked it myself and noticed a big difference as well. Not to mention if you remember reading around on multi-platform launches there were plenty of people that kept saying the PS3 looks "washed out", and with this color option set to Full that is no longer the case.

So yes to me, it is A LOT better. I don't care if you agree or not. There are plenty of people that will definitely be glad to know about this feature and use it.

yea, and i am one of them as next time i go round my friends i will make his PS3 look a little bit better if off course it does need to be changed. But you see overall amount of people that care about this is still very little.

For example.

The Assassins Creed comparison SD movie had 445,067 Views so far, the HD 397,909 Views. Now if you dont bother about who watched it more then once lets just see how do they compare to number of consoles sold. There are over 16 million of Xbox360 sold and that there are over 9 million PS3 sold. Now even if you put together the two figures for SD and HD comparisons that makes 842,976. Which means that out of possible 25 million of console owners only about 3% actually give a crap what the games look like on the other console, and thats even being optimistic.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Excellent POINT!

If you are going to change those settings a reviewer would also need to recommend certain HDTV or calibration equipment/software for your HDTV that fully take advantage of it. Because of how complicated this can get it's not worth mentioning in a review END OF STORY.

It is an excellent point but I think it would be something worth mentioning in a review. Just because console user's have never before had to worry about changing settings to make their games look like they are supposed to doesn't mean it will always be that way, things change.

With todays technology; HDTV, component cable, HDMI cable, 5.1 surround/7.1 surround, optical audio output, etc. ... things are not always going to magically be setup just how they should be. I don't think Sony is to blame for this, they made the default setting off because they knew not everyone has an HDTV or a type of setup that will need that option turned on.

Not mentioning a setting that has this much potential is a bad idea I think. It can mislead many people in to thinking that the PS3 version is worse than the 360, which is what it has done so far. However, I don't think it will be that much of an issue anymore, the cat is out of the bag ... so to speak.

[DilTech]

Excellent POINT!

If you are going to change those settings a reviewer would also need to recommend certain HDTV or calibration equipment/software for your HDTV that fully take advantage of it. Because of how complicated this can get it's not worth mentioning in a review END OF STORY.

Not sure what you're thinking....

Without ANY extra calibration these settings usually lead to a much better picture overall. I've tested on 3 different HDTV's, all 3 being different technologies(lcd, dlp, and plasma) no less, and the only one which is actually calibrated(done myself) is my 42" PZ77U.

Nothing complicated to it, and if it's a setting that you should have enabled on the PS3 as a permanent thing, then there's absolutely NO reason for comparison videos not to do so. If the person can figure out how to sign up for Xbox-live or the PSN, they can figure out how to change 2 settings to on.

After all, when you buy an xbox360 the video cable comes switched to SDTV, and the video output doesn't come set properly either. Does that mean that they shouldn't switch that either? :rofl:

Seriously, to compare IMAGE QUALITY of two competing game systems, one should put them under their best possible settings. Anyone thinking anything less is merely a fan of one side specifically(I find it funny how many PC enthusiasts have taken a side this round, but that's another story altogether). Those who are impartial know that both systems should be on equal footing for these kinds of tests. :up:

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Not sure what you're thinking....

Without ANY extra calibration these settings lead to a much better picture overall. I've tested on 3 different HDTV's, all 3 being different technologies(lcd, dlp, and plasma) no less, and the only one which is actually calibrated(done myself) is my 42" PZ77U.

Nothing complicated to it, and if it's a setting that you should have enabled on the PS3 as a permanent thing, then there's absolutely NO reason for comparison videos not to do so. If the person can figure out how to sign up for Xbox-live or the PSN, they can figure out how to change 2 settings to on.

After all, when you buy an xbox360 the video cable comes switched to SDTV, and the video output doesn't come set properly either. Does that mean that they shouldn't switch that either? :rofl:

Seriously, to compare IMAGE QUALITY of two competing game systems, one should put them under their best possible settings. Anyone thinking anything less is merely a fan of one side specifically(I find it funny how many PC enthusiasts have taken a side this year, but that's another story altogether). Those who are impartial know that both systems should be on equal footing for these kinds of tests. :up:

Well said, some people are so much better at explaining what I am trying to say lol

[Syn.]

After all, when you buy an xbox360 the video cable comes switched to SDTV, and the video output doesn't come set properly either. Does that mean that they shouldn't switch that either? :rofl:


please explain...

[Ub3r-L33ch]

please explain...

I'm pretty sure he means that you have to change the video output settings on the 360 to use the component cables or whatever it is that it uses. The default setting is probably the standard composite A/V cables.

[DilTech]

please explain...

Simple, when you buy a xbox 360 the video cable is a combo component/SD rca cable. There's a switch at the base to go between SD and HD.

At stock, when you buy it, the switch is set to SD. Then after you flip the switch on it to HD, you have to then go into the system menu and set it to your TV resolution. Much like making the changes for the PS3 setting.

So, going by the whole "out of the box" ruling people are throwing out there, then using the same standard means both systems would be running SD from the get go. :yepp:

[Eastcoasthandle]

Not sure what you're thinking....

Without ANY extra calibration these settings usually lead to a much better picture overall. I've tested on 3 different HDTV's, all 3 being different technologies(lcd, dlp, and plasma) no less, and the only one which is actually calibrated(done myself) is my 42" PZ77U.

Nothing complicated to it, and if it's a setting that you should have enabled on the PS3 as a permanent thing, then there's absolutely NO reason for comparison videos not to do so. If the person can figure out how to sign up for Xbox-live or the PSN, they can figure out how to change 2 settings to on.

After all, when you buy an xbox360 the video cable comes switched to SDTV, and the video output doesn't come set properly either. Does that mean that they shouldn't switch that either? :rofl:

Seriously, to compare IMAGE QUALITY of two competing game systems, one should put them under their best possible settings. Anyone thinking anything less is merely a fan of one side specifically(I find it funny how many PC enthusiasts have taken a side this round, but that's another story altogether). Those who are impartial know that both systems should be on equal footing for these kinds of tests. :up:

It makes plenty of sense. Is it not true that the Super-White and RBG Full Range need HDMI? If so, how can the results be the same for someone with a HDTV that only offers then DVI/component? The problem here again is that not everyone has a HDMI HDTV. Also we don't know what kind of connection was used and what HDTV was used in that video. Therefore, this is all guess work at best.

Also, I don't see the need for a reviewer to have to explain certain features of a console 1st before conducting a review on a particular game. If all they did was show how a game runs without having to tweak settings then that's what they showed regardless if you agree with it or not.


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[Ub3r-L33ch]

Simple, when you buy a xbox 360 the video cable is a combo component/SD rca cable. There's a switch at the base to go between SD and HD.

At stock, when you buy it, the switch is set to SD. Then after you flip the switch on it to HD, you have to then go into the system menu and set it to your TV resolution. Much like making the changes for the PS3 setting.

So, going by the whole "out of the box" ruling people are throwing out there, then using the same standard means both systems would be running SD from the get go. :yepp:

Perfect logic just doesn't make sense to some people. I don't see how you refute what you just said ... yet there will be plenty that do.

[Syn.]

Perfect logic just doesn't make sense to some people. I don't see how you refute what you just said ... yet there will be plenty that do.

how about the difference between SD/HD on the cable you have to connect to your TV to Display Options> "RGB Full Range" with the choice of Limited or Full. What does Limited mean, what does Full mean?

The games on PS3 will play fine with either setting on either TV. When you are connecting your Xbox to the TV with the cable you would notice the SD/HD option and would obviously be forced into making a choice. The only reason why someone would actually check the colour range settings if he is informed of the problem with LCD TV's colour range settings or has noticed difference in colour when compared to another TV. So comparing it to something as obvious as what should i set my cable to SD or HD is yet again just misunderstanding how small this thing is.

As i said before its not a problem that people take seriously, unless they are a member of forum as XS. If two pages of discussions wont make you understand that the i am just going to stop beating against a wall.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

how about the difference between SD/HD on the cable you have to connect to your TV to Display Options> "RGB Full Range" with the choice of Limited or Full. What does Limited mean, what does Full mean?

The games on PS3 will play fine with either setting on either TV. When you are connecting your Xbox to the TV with the cable you would notice the SD/HD option and would obviously be forced into making a choice. The only reason why someone would actually check the colour range settings if he is informed of the problem with LCD TV's colour range settings or has noticed difference in colour when compared to another TV. So comparing it to something as obvious as what should i set my cable to SD or HD is yet again just misunderstanding how small this thing is.

As i said before its not a problem that people take seriously, unless they are a member of forum as XS. If two pages of discussions wont make you understand that the i am just going to stop beating against a wall.

To put it simply, no one should ever assume the default setting is going to work or be the best option, and most of the time they don't. Whether it is something as simple as changing the input on the TV to the one that the console is connected to, choosing an SD or HD cable, or setting the color range from limited to full everyone should at least be checking what the options do that are available to them.

Something like the color range is just in a place most people aren't used to checking for options on the best picture choice. Yes maybe Sony should figure out a better way to educating users on what this option is and when to use it. I think the way GT portrayed the reviews of the PS3 was the wrong way to do it IMO.

As DilTech said, maybe we should all base the consoles off of their complete factory settings ... composite cables, SD, etc. Then we'd have a completely even comparison. In the end, I don't really care ... enough people know about the setting now at least they are aware of what's going on now.

[Soulburner]

As DilTech said, maybe we should all base the consoles off of their complete factory settings ... composite cables, SD, etc. Then we'd have a completely even comparison. In the end, I don't really care ... enough people know about the setting now at least they are aware of what's going on now.
No, what he said is that both systems should be optimized to their best possible setings if they are to be compared head to head.

Seriously, what reviewer would compare ATI vs Nvidia image quality and performance while never going into the driver control panel? Who would cry foul then?

Default settings mean absolutely nothing unless the default settings are the best options, and when you are talking about millions of people that won't be true for everyone.

And to say that "enough people know about it now"...no way. In this corner of the internet, the word will most likely never get out to the average Joe Console Gamer, which is 90% of the user base.

[Skratch]

It took us a while to figure out why our 360 wasnt showing hd over comp,,,I must of spent 30 min going over every setting in the menus...My last resort was to double check the wires and saw the switch on there...I was kinda pissed I didnt check in the first place and wondered why there would ever be a switch like that.