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AMDDeathstar
01-15-2008, 05:56 PM
Goes to show traders don't care if you have better product or make profit.
Intel made 2.27 billion profit in the 4th quarter but it wasn't good enough after market trading Intel stock went from $22.69 to $19.47

Wall Street got to get rid of "analysts' estimates", too many profitable companies get their stock hammered because of these idoits wrong predictions.

Bloomberg Soure (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aM1g84QgJ_40&refer=home)

Intel's Revenue Forecast Falls Short; Shares Slump (Update3)

By Ian King

Jan. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Intel Corp. posted fourth-quarter sales that missed analysts' estimates and gave a forecast that disappointed investors, prompting a 14 percent plunge in the shares and signaling that electronics demand is slipping.

The world's largest chipmaker said prices for memory used in music players trailed its projections, crimping total sales growth to 11 percent over the holiday season. First-quarter revenue will rise to as little $9.4 billion, short of analysts' estimates of $10.1 billion.

The report fuels concern that technology spending is being hurt by an increase in customers' borrowing costs and slowing economic growth. Chief Executive Officer Paul Otellini, who boosted sales 8.3 percent last year after losing ground to Advanced Micro Devices Inc. in 2006, is now looking to emerging markets such as China for growth.

``We are perhaps a little bit cautious looking at the U.S. economy,'' Intel Chief Financial Officer Stacy Smith said in a telephone interview. ``We didn't see signs of slowing, but certainly the macroeconomic indicators that are out there would say to be a little bit cautious.''

Fourth-quarter net income increased 51 percent to $2.27 billion, or 38 cents a share, Santa Clara, California-based Intel said today. Sales rose to $10.7 billion, missing analysts' estimates of $10.8 billion.

Intel dropped $3.22 to $19.47 in extended trading. The stock fell 39 cents, or 1.7 percent, to $22.69 in regular trading on the Nasdaq Stock Market. Intel shares have declined 15 percent this year. Advanced Micro fell 41 cents, or 6.7 percent, to $5.71 in extended trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

More Conservative

``They're guiding more conservatively on the revenue side than the Street expected,'' said Pat Becker Jr., who helps manage about $2.5 billion including Intel shares at Becker Capital Management in Portland, Oregon. ``They wanted to give themselves some wiggle room.''

Intel, whose sales are seen as an indicator of overall computer demand, kicked off the earnings season for U.S. technology companies. The report contrasted with preliminary earnings from International Business Machines Corp., which said yesterday that fourth-quarter profit and sales topped estimates.

Analysts had predicted Intel would report net income of $2.36 billion, or 39 cents a share, according to a Bloomberg survey. Intel said it wrote down the value of its flash-memory chip making assets that will be part of a joint venture with STMicroelectronics NV. The expense and others costs reduced earnings per share by 2.5 cents in the quarter.

Sales Miss

Sales missed the midpoint of Intel's forecast range by $88 million because revenue from another type of flash memory, called Nand, was hit by lower prices. Nand memory is used in music players and digital cameras. Intel's Smith said revenue from computer chips met expectations.

Gross margin, or the percentage of sales remaining after subtracting the cost of production, was 58 percent in the fourth quarter. Intel expects that indicator of profitability to narrow to about 56 percent in the first quarter.

For the year, Intel forecast a gross margin of about 57 percent. It plans to spend about $5.2 billion on new plants and equipment in 2008, and about $5.9 billion on research and development.

Demand for personal computers weakened last quarter, just as chip shipments increased the most in eight years, said JPMorgan Securities Inc. analyst Christopher Danely. He cut his rating on Intel shares to ``neutral'' from ``overweight'' on Jan. 4.

Unused Inventory

Intel and Advanced Micro shipped about 20 percent more chips in each of the past two quarters than a year earlier, the biggest increases since at least 2000, Danely said. Demand isn't keeping up, leaving unused inventory, he said.

Otellini, 57, told analysts on a conference call that he wants to raise Intel's inventory levels and that he hasn't heard of any buildup of unused parts at customers.

Most of Intel's growth is coming from countries outside the U.S., which account for more than 75 percent of sales, Otellini said. Chinese sales ``continue to boom,'' he said.

In the fourth quarter, Asia-Pacific sales, which make up half of total revenue, rose 9.9 percent to $5.34 billion. Sales in the Americas rose 4.7 percent to $2.1 billion.

AliG
01-15-2008, 06:09 PM
Guess it won't kill amd that they're stock is declining still since intels is too

mstp2009
01-15-2008, 06:15 PM
If the market reacts like this to Intel being just 88Mil short of the midpoint of their estimates, then AMD is absolutely going to get crucified come end of the week.

RottenMutt
01-15-2008, 09:23 PM
Goes to show traders don't care if you have better product or make profit.
Intel made 2.27 billion profit in the 4th quarter but it wasn't good enough after market trading Intel stock went from $22.69 to $19.47

Wall Street got to get rid of "analysts' estimates", too many profitable companies get their stock hammered because of these idiots wrong predictions.

Bloomberg Soure (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aM1g84QgJ_40&refer=home)

This idiot, Canaccord Adams analyst Bobby Burleson, speculates nVidia has a chip surplus, NO DATA to backup his speculation, and causes price to drop 2 points. I'm sick of these idiots. grrr.. They release negative press and make money off people who sell, should be illegal.
Nvidia Shares Fall on Downgrade (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080115/nvidia_mover.html?.v=2)

savantu
01-15-2008, 10:44 PM
Guess it won't kill amd that they're stock is declining still since intels is too

Actually , killing AMD is the best way to get stock price jump.Investors tend to like monopolies.. :yepp:

metro.cl
01-15-2008, 11:25 PM
Did you check all stocks? Nasdaq went down a lot 2,45% so is normal that many stocks went down.

zakelwe
01-15-2008, 11:43 PM
Did you check all stocks? Nasdaq went down a lot 2,45% so is normal that many stocks went down.

Intel went down 14.5% in after market trading when the figures were released.

I think they have over-reacted, lower cpu sales in the USA if there is a recession will likely be countered by higher sales in the rest of the world, espeically if the dollar stays weak.

The whole market is jittery at the moment. If AMD have bad figures we could see them below $5.

Regards

Andy

_Lone_Wolf_
01-16-2008, 12:08 AM
If AMD have bad figures

Your optimistic.

Shintai
01-16-2008, 02:40 AM
Guess it won't kill amd that they're stock is declining still since intels is too

Nobody said so. But the stock is also a meter of their performance and economic balance.

What can kill AMD is they dont make money but bleed like a person with a sicilian necktie.

savantu
01-16-2008, 07:36 AM
Did you check all stocks? Nasdaq went down a lot 2,45% so is normal that many stocks went down.

Investors were looking at Intel to see whether the chip sector is shielded from recession woes in the US economy.Since Intel had an acceptable ( not good ) Q and was cautious about Q1 the conclusion was the same : recession is here .
This sparked a worldwide sell off.


http://dailybriefing.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/01/16/intel-slowdown-weighs-on-world-stocks/?source=yahoo_quote

Andypro1
01-16-2008, 07:42 AM
Good thing about declining markets is that they provide good opportunities for investors to buy.

If you think Intel still has a strong product positioning and great potential profitability (which I believe they do), then go ahead and buy some more stock cheap and watch it appreciate. :) I admit losing $3 per share in a single day hurts, but what an opportunity! Screw the "market" and "forecasters." If the products are strong, they will still be profitable for the investor in the long term.

ThomasDM
01-16-2008, 12:19 PM
Intel and AMD are doing exactly the opposite on the stock market today :rolleyes:

Intel: -11.86%
AMD +9.66% (and 15 minutes ago it came close to +12%)

XS Janus
01-16-2008, 12:32 PM
^Guess wher the money form intel sellof went then at least for a couple of days ---then back to Intel!
Just watch for it.
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