Infinity or Ninja

[wyemarn]

I'm thinking of getting a good air cooler. Between Scythe Infinity and Ninja which would be better? Is there any better cooler at that price range? Thank you.

[emoners]

uhmm why not the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme? :confused:

but between the two, i would go for the Infinity... :)

try checking this thread out: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158187 (Overclockers Pulse Heatsink Showdown! Comprehensive Air Cooling Roundup)

[GripS]

+1 on the thermalright ultra 120 extreme.

I've used all three and the TRUE is by far the best. If you are stuck between those two then definitely get the infinity.

[EvilBellyLint]

+1 on the thermalright ultra 120 extreme.

I've used all three and the TRUE is by far the best. If you are stuck between those two then definitely get the infinity.

Honestly, we should just make a sticky with a thread title stating:

"Just Buy the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme. Next Question."

:rofl: :ROTF:

I know they're good coolers. But there are viable alternatives for those
who could use the extra 30-bucks more than the extra 3-degrees :p:


EBL

[L'enFer]

Infinity is even better than Copper variant of Ninja, but it's not the best.

[wyemarn]

The problem is 120 extreme is almost 2x more expensive then ninja or infinity so my choices are pretty limited.

[PcCI2iminal]

I'm thinking of getting a good air cooler. Between Scythe Infinity and Ninja which would be better? Is there any better cooler at that price range? Thank you.

Infinity gets my vote, it is cheap in Japan and he is better than regular Ninja or copper edition.

[GripS]

Honestly, we should just make a sticky with a thread title stating:

"Just Buy the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme. Next Question."

:rofl: :ROTF:

I know they're good coolers. But there are viable alternatives for those
who could use the extra 30-bucks more than the extra 3-degrees :p:


EBL

3 degrees? In my case it's about 10C difference. That's a pretty big difference if you ask me.

I picked mine up for 55 bucks from Directron. Not quite twice the price of an infinity (40.00 on the egg right now). The extra 15 bucks is definitely worth it.

[mak1skav]

I am using the Scythe Mugen, that is the new name for the Infinity if i understand well and is doing a good job on my Q6600. I know that Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme is better but if you are between Infinity and Ninja only then grab the Infinity.

[wyemarn]

Infinity gets my vote, it is cheap in Japan and he is better than regular Ninja or copper edition.

Yup. Infinity is quite cheap and and the price is comparable to Ninja. 120 Extreme is almost two times the price an Infinity. The other coolers at the same price range is Xigmatek HDT-S963. CM Hyper 212 and Xigmatek HDT-S963 is 50% more expensive than Infinity.

Btw mak1skav, Infinity in Japanese is Mugen.

[GripS]

Yup. Infinity is quite cheap and and the price is comparable to Ninja. 120 Extreme is almost two times the price an Infinity. The other coolers at the same price range is Xigmatek HDT-S963. CM Hyper 212 and Xigmatek HDT-S963 is 50% more expensive than Infinity.

Btw mak1skav, Infinity in Japanese is Mugen.

Incorrect:

http://www.directron.com/scinf1000.html 39.99 Scythe Infinity

http://www.directron.com/u120e.html 54.99 Thermalright ultra 120 extreme

Total price difference: $15.00

Let's not spread inaccurate information people. The TRUE is quite affordable and worth the extra money.

Again... i've used all three coolers mentioned here and the TRUE beats them both handily by a large margin.

[wyemarn]

Incorrect:

http://www.directron.com/scinf1000.html 39.99 Scythe Infinity

http://www.directron.com/u120e.html 54.99 Thermalright ultra 120 extreme

Total price difference: $15.00

Let's not spread inaccurate information people. The TRUE is quite affordable and worth the extra money.

Again... i've used all three coolers mentioned here and the TRUE beats them both handily by a large margin.

Sorry for not informing you guys but I'm in Japan not US so Scythe products are cheap. Here a reference price :

Infinity - 3600yen
Ninja - 3400yen
S963 - 3400yen
Hyper 212 - 5200 yen
S1283 - 5200yen
120 Extreme - 6900yen

You can see that the 120 is almost double the price. I know 120 Extreme is the king of air cooler but compared to Infinity ath that price range, I don't think its worth it.

[GripS]

Ah!! Well there you go. The choice is simple then. Infinity would be the way to go.... unless.... what does a tuniq tower 120 cost in your area? Actually the infinity is smaller so go with the infinity.

[PcCI2iminal]

You can see that the 120 is almost double the price. I know 120 Extreme is the king of air cooler but compared to Infinity ath that price range, I don't think its worth it.

and u need 1200yen for a good 120mm fan for Thermalright Ultra 120
:D
and in the same conditions the Infinity will stay just a few degrees behind the TRUE(i use both)

[wyemarn]

and u need 1200yen for a good 120mm fan for Thermalright Ultra 120
:D
and in the same conditions the Infinity will stay just a few degrees behind the TRUE(i use both)

You have any suggestions for a good 120mm fan? I thinking of using Antec Tricool with them because I have extra. Btw, i just checked the price out for Infinity.

Zaward Zikaray - 3400
Ninja - 3600
Infinity - 4300
CM Hyper 212 - 5000
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 - 5400

Which of the one is the best value ?

[EvilBellyLint]

You have any suggestions for a good 120mm fan? I thinking of using Antec Tricool with them because I have extra. Btw, i just checked the price out for Infinity.

Zaward Zikaray - 3400
Ninja - 3600
Infinity - 4300
CM Hyper 212 - 5000
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 - 5400

Which of the one is the best value ?

Since Scythe prices are cheap, I'd go with a couple of Scythe S-Flex fans.
Also, check prices on Sanyo Denki "San Ace" fans. Still limited availability
here in the U.S., but considering you live in their country of origin,
maybe pricing is better, and these are terrific quality.

Going by the prices you quoted above, either the Ninja or Infinity would
be the best bang-for-the-buck (Yen!) and paired with quality fans
(San Ace, Scythe S-Flex) would definitely do the job for you.


EBL

[wyemarn]

I've done some readings and some says ninja is better than infinity. So which one is the better cooler out there? I like to run on a quite system. So low noise and good cooling is my priority. Some also said using dual fans on infininty would be great. Is it true?

[Glow9]

I went with a zerotherm seems to do well in reviews isn't too pricey and has good mounting

[PcCI2iminal]

I've done some readings and some says ninja is better than infinity. So which one is the better cooler out there? I like to run on a quite system. So low noise and good cooling is my priority.


KAZE-JYUNI 120x120X25mm SY1225SL12SH 500rpm-1900rpm
max noise ->37dBA
max CFM->110
only 1200yen :)

good reading

Ninja copper vs IFX-14
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=170581
Ninja cooper vs Infinity
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2676492&postcount=32

Some also said using dual fans on infininty would be great. Is it true?

the Scythe Infinity just need a better fan than the original and of course he loves dual 120 fans :)

[wyemarn]

Scythe will be releasing a new cooler this week. I wonder how it would perform?

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/forecast/item/image20080110/zipan-2.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/forecast/item/image20080110/zipan-3.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/forecast/item/image20080110/zipan-1.jpg

http://www.scythe.co.jp/cooler/zipang.html

It's compatible with 14cm fan. 12cm fan requires 12cm fan brackets sold separately.

Price is little bit more expensive than Infinity. Should I wait for this cooler or go for Infinity? This cooler looks cool btw.

[Vapor]

140mm fans compatibility...interesting.

[mak1skav]

Monster cooler attack :)

Not that Infinity is small cooler though :p:

[wyemarn]

You guys have any idea how that Zipang cooler will perform? Will it be better than Infinity? I'm thinking of getting that instead of Infinity but no idea how it will perform at moment.

[GripS]

That thing looks like it might be a TRUE killer. If you can get one for cheap then you may want to wait for some results before making your decision.

[EvilBellyLint]

That thing looks like it might be a TRUE killer. If you can get one for cheap then you may want to wait for some results before making your decision.

Hmm... after seeing those pics, I tend to agree. Scythe has been making
some quality coolers, and this new design looks rather promising.


EBL

[Vapor]

If you want it, I recommend getting it early...first batch of Scythe heatsinks are usually top-notch quality.

[EvilBellyLint]

I've done some readings and some says ninja is better than infinity. So which one is the better cooler out there? I like to run on a quite system. So low noise and good cooling is my priority. Some also said using dual fans on infininty would be great. Is it true?

Replacing the stock fans on both units with higher quality/lower noise
variants, they perform pretty much equally.


EBL

[Croak in BC]

The big problem with the TRUE is that when it works and you get a good mount, it's the best on the market.

The problem is getting a good mount with that crappy mounting hardware...there's much to be said for "lesser" models that just screw in and work as advertised.

[GripS]

Replacing the stock fans on both units with higher quality/lower noise
variants, they perform pretty much equally.


EBL

The Ninja simply could not perform as well as when I had my Infinity. I mounted a few times to make sure and the Infinity was the better cooler. It was also smaller which give's it more points then the Ninja in my book.

The big problem with the TRUE is that when it works and you get a good mount, it's the best on the market.

The problem is getting a good mount with that crappy mounting hardware...there's much to be said for "lesser" models that just screw in and work as advertised.

I am trying to understand the flaw in the TRUE mounting hardware. Granted i am getting excellent results with my first mount. I will be re-mounting when i get my new motherboard in soon so we will see. I for one see no problem with the supplied mounting hardware that comes with the TRUE.

[wyemarn]

Ok I think I will be getting the new Zipang cooler. Since it's a new product, performance is unknow. It is around 300 yen($1=120yen) more expensive than Infinity. Design is based on Andy Samurai Master and Enzotech Ultra-X so the performance should be good.

[L'enFer]

I'd get Infinity and 2 fans for it. After few modifications (lapping, mod of mounting system) it'll become very very good cooler.
By the way, don't you want to look at Tuniq Tower?

[wyemarn]

I'd get Infinity and 2 fans for it. After few modifications (lapping, mod of mounting system) it'll become very very good cooler.
By the way, don't you want to look at Tuniq Tower?

Why would you say Infinity is better than Zipang? Design? Tuniq is not available in Japan anymore.

[Ar3s]

what does Zipang mean in kanji anyway ?

[wyemarn]

I don't think there is Zipang word in Japanese so there is no Kanji for it.

Btw, I found out that Thermalright Ultima-90 is around Scyte Infinity and Zipang's price range. Will it be a good buy?

[Vapor]

Zipang is an old European name for Japan...or something like that.

[cloned]

the infinity will probably cool better but the ninja is very quiet even with the stock fan on full in my experience.

for most dual core systems i say the ninja is the way to go for cool and quiet. it may not be the best at cooling but it is good and quiet. also i find the push-pull setup most people have with infinities to be kinda pointless unless they are using their case fan and not a fan inbetween the case fan and the heatsink fan.

the infinity does have the advantage of of being better for cases like the antec 900 that have a top exhaust and a side fan. with my side fan on i can't push air up into the exhaust fan.

[L'enFer]

Why would you say Infinity is better than Zipang? Design? Tuniq is not available in Japan anymore.
Actually I've never heard about Zipang... But I don't think it'd be much better than Infinity.

[wyemarn]

Actually I've never heard about Zipang... But I don't think it'd be much better than Infinity.

Zipang is a new product and will be released over here this week. Performance is unknown so I'm not sure whether to go for it or Infinity. You can browse through first page for pics.

[zakelwe]

Zipang is a new product and will be released over here this week. Performance is unknown so I'm not sure whether to go for it or Infinity. You can browse through first page for pics.


Well if you go for the zipang then you might eb first to post how it does and become a trendsetter ... if it's good. Tempted ?

Let us know how it does if you do.

Regards

Andy

[wyemarn]

Since Zipang is not released yet and there is no pro reviews available, I asked Scythe Japan about it.

According to Scythe, performance would be close between Zipang and Infinity. Design and internal framework wise, Infinity is better than Zipang. But they told me also airflow in the case affects the way both the coolers work so even Infinity is the better cooler design wise, Zipang might outperform it if case airflow doesn't suit Infinity.

I also asked them between Infinity and Zipang which would perform better on my case and they told me Zipang would be better because there is air flow hole on top of my CPU area(CM-690 case). Zipang would be able to suck clean air straight from the hole on top of it. I tend to agree with this. What do you guys think with this?

I'm lost now because the price for both the coolers are almost the same. Zipang would cool the PWM, RAM and NB nicely. Infinity would cool CPU a little better than Zipang. Please help me to decide.

[GripS]

I am leaning towards the Zipang myself. It's a tough call though. We know the infinity is good. This is why i say wait for some reviews before making your decision.

[L'enFer]

If you've time and wish to find out which is better wait for reviews, comparisons.

[emoners]

or you could do a mini-review of it yourself for us...:D

[wyemarn]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173935

Pls check my Zipang mini-review guys!

[Vapor]

Pretty nice results for such a weak fan :)

[trt740]

The problem is 120 extreme is almost 2x more expensive then ninja or infinity so my choices are pretty limited.

here is another alternative thats is better than the infinity and as close to a thermalright ultra extreme as you can get but cheaper http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thul1.html

[swaaye]

Ninja's advantage over most high-end coolers is that it can run passive if you don't push the voltage up and have a 120mm case exhaust fan near it. The wide fins let air flow much better than something like the Ultra 120 will.... That and it's cheap, as has been said. And it even comes with a fan (that's very quiet btw). It costs about $65 to equip a Ultra 120 vs $35 for a Ninja...