BIOSTAR TA770 A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX at the Egg

[trueblue]

The Biostar Tforce 770 am2+ board is availabe at Newegg for 82$ + 7$ shipping.

Damn, with the $99.99 Athlon64 5000+ BE, I am mighty tempted......

...must be strong hold out for B3 Phenom and hopefully DFI LanParty DK based on 770 or 790 non-fx :)

[Tw1st3d]

Ever heard about remembering the link ? :P

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138102

[Ugly n Grey]

Bumparoo
anybody buy this board and try it yet? I just ordered one to play with the 5000+ BE until I get a dual socket system going... will make a nice PC for my old man when I'm done I think...

was just wondering what to expect from it... seems simple with basic features yet has potential... anyone have one?

Thanks
UnG

[gOtVoltage]

Just ordered Tseries770 with a 9600Black (($311.Total no Tax for me:D )).My Pops ordered it and is shipping it to me Via free FedX...I just couldnt wait anymore.... My 6000+ @3.5ghz is a nice Gaming rig . I needed something different ,so this will be my "Im gonna learn how to tweak a Phemon plat form!"... This will hold me over till the good stuff starts rolling out and @stock the Phenom was a good buy by all means . Hopefully in Q2 we will see a good Nvchipset for SLI or even just Single card...

Clearly it was ($350.00 less Vs me going a Q6600)@$275.// MOBO$200. //1300Mhz+Ram $200.

I can run my 1066mhz ram just fine with the new AMD platform. If i had went Intel i would of needed ram to match the FSB@1333mhz for Optimal performance..I dint feel like spending that much for a( Quad upgrade) that will be run @ stock settings down the Road.This Phenom will be more than fast enuff when im done playing around with it..Im not worried about having the Highest Oc with aQuad..I like performance and Price to match:yepp: Also ,"I like a little Oc challenge",...I cant say that about the Intel..No fun in just slapping in aQ and saying i have a fast Quad:rofl:

"Intels are nice", but i like the Way apps/Games respond with a Oced AMD and XP64bit..I know you say its just me ,,friends have said ,"My PC Oced @3.5ghz seems to respond better than thier Oced Q'6600's@3.5ghz..Even while playing the same Games..Funny comparing aQ to a X2:ROTF:

Note: check Bioses on thier site..new one is out i believe....I should have mine this weekend..

I Also just downloaded the manual....This baby has some overclock features...Even full control of Vdimm and Vcore And NB/HTvolts...memory settings.....For a Small package this thing has a decent Bios..It even has a Built in memory tester..Full manual OverClock capability....From the Seeing the Settings in manual i cant wait to get a hold of this thing...

Even has a built in reset /Reboot buttons with dual LED Function//Power on and fault indicators..Shows if its memory or VGA or Mobo that is affecting a boot with the LED's on or off..Both on = Normal ..

[trueblue]

I don't have the 770 (yet), but I do have a Biostar Tforce 4u 939 at work. I bought it refurbished from Newegg and built a linux box for use at work out of my own pocket. I test my codes on it and then take them over to the workstations. I used to also have a Tforce 6100-939 board.

Both of them were just as good at overclocking as the DFI in my signature. They both will (would) do 300 MHz FSB easily. I think the Biostar Tforce boards are diamonds in the rough. Sometimes it will take a couple of bios revisions before Biostar gets everything right. I hope this 770 turns out to be another gem. If so, I may have to upgrade my work machine.:up:

[Jakalwarrior]

M3A, asus's 770 board is 85+ shipping at mwave though :/

[Ugly n Grey]

I don't like Asus AT ALL. There are more choices out there and not to be rude, but I was asking about the Biostar for less money.

[trueblue]

Polygon over at Rebels Haven has a Tforce 770 and Phenom. See this link

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000487

I haven't even had time to read it myself.....:D

Polygon is a straight shooter... He will do a good job of testing the board...:up:

I bought my Tforce 939-6100 based on his reviews... wish I had kept it.:(

[tictac]

Agreed... biostar seem to have best bios team for overclocker... watching how the bios option arrangement and special add-on like memtest86 embended inside the bios... make you wonder who is the guy behind that bios.. :worship:

Price is good.. and i should said it is best bang for the buck! :up:

Polygon over at Rebels Haven has a Tforce 770 and Phenom. See this link

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000487

I haven't even had time to read it myself.....:D

Polygon is a straight shooter... He will do a good job of testing the board...:up:

I bought my Tforce 939-6100 based on his reviews... wish I had kept it.:(

Polygon is very good in bios modding as well. Prepare some nasty bios mod from him. He should have no problem modding the bios... :yepp:

EDIT : Polygon picture

http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770M2011108-1.jpg

GRAB IT FAST! :worship:

[aiya]

i had a T-Force 6100-939, it reminded me alot of the DFI nF4 Ultra-D i also had. seeing this board just makes me want to get it since its soo cheap and because the i know the potential is there.

i really miss having a AMD system, i just might try this out.

[JWilson]

It looks like Polygon has been busy: look here (http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=53&t=000463&p=3#000043)

[Ugly n Grey]

Yep, it looks like some real BIOS pros are going to help us wring an awful lot out of a 78 DOLLAR MOTHERBOARD. I mean really, what can you get for 78 bucks that you argue and debate over for the next few months and then resell for most of what you paid. I'm looking forward to it. Cheap chips and cheap motherboards make for super ghetto mods with no worry for Ugly.

[fakhrain]

cheap stuffs + great overclock = l337!

[JWilson]

Rebels Haven posted this screen shot in the discussion thread for the board, but is saying something about the title not coming out correctly:
http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2modbios-2.jpg

Edit: Their site is really slow for some reason.

[Serj_Over]

gOtVoltage Have u already got your TA770 ? Interesting how it clocks with K8 and Phenom =)

[JWilson]

Rebels Haven has several screenies posted like these in their TA770 discussion thread:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q44/sgt_brutis/B06nba.jpg

http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2+011908-4.jpg


Also looks like the Boss is working on this:

http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2modbios-3.jpg

[tictac]

told ya.. lucky you.. hehe

[Starscream]

edit, im an idiot :)


btw when will Biostar come with a 790FX board?

[Nedjo]

Probably when SB700 is out, just like Foxconn will…

[gOtVoltage]

Im working with about four different bioses...So far Biostar dosnt let the BE run unlocked even when the NPT FID is implimented..I cant change the multis with moded Bios but it shows all of them up to 4900mhz..Its like i own a regular 9600...Ive hit 2.53ghz already but dint take the Screenine..

Ive been Swaping Bioses starting with the stock one which wouldnt go 1mhz over200fsb:shakes: Progress is good..But My multi's wont work untill Biostar Gives us a bios with working FID's period..

@Polygons Bios Mods ,can easily get 2.4- 2.5 stable..I havnt had time to test all that much. Ive Only had the borad since last night..Tomorrow i will be swaping bioses all day.So maybe ill have better results.

Ive Also tested AOD 2.14beta on this mobo and its seems buggy with any bios. AOD BSOD's while any attemp to raise clocks or Vcore in AOD .Also AOD cant read numerous sensors on the Mobo. Bios related not CPU.

After playing for a few hours $@@!~!#@ at settings..i believe it comes down to crappy Bioses from vendors...The memory is always 400mhz unless the FSB is raised..HT defaults to 200mhz with NB @1800mhz..This Ts770mobo has lots of potential .We just need a good bios.. My K9N-neo-F runs better with a K9N-SLI Platinum Bios...It even clocked my first 5600+ to 3.3ghz..Go figure. Now the poor K9 runs my LE@3.3ghz:D Maybe a different Bios from a 790X may work who knows..i dont have spare Bios to try:D

A happy thought . The Ts770 Booted first try and runs @ specs with 15c idle @2.4ghz X4. Im Using the most recent AMD CnQ driver along with AMD virtualization enabled in the Bios .This way i can use AOD overdrive to view temps and cores and also use the stress test which works..I am NOT overclocking using AOD...... I will only OC in the BIOS.......Plus i just wanted to see if AOD worked anyhow..:D

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/StockClocksB06biosMod.jpg

All Bioses the ram set @ 400mhz even when i set it manualy to 400/533/667/800/1066..Biose would keep it set to 400/divider or 800mhz total..In this case it was @ 840mhz overall.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/memoryB21.jpg

Mod B06bios gets FSB up to 230 before it gives problems..This was @210fsb with 420mhz ram.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/2400B21bios.jpg

I hope Biostar starts kicking us some good bioses...@Polygon also has a Moded Bios with TLB switch for this mobo now:up:

[xixo_12]

anway, can i ask.. what current bios u use?? seem like bios in their website got too many bugs...

[xixo_12]

can share the link to the bios that you used??

[gOtVoltage]

can share the link to the bios that you used??

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000463

Read everything.

Note :some Bioses can be buggy...

Ive tried each one listed and Was able too boot no matter what..You must have a Phenom with any of these bioses to be Stable/Boot properly...Biostar needs to come out with a functioning NPTFID// CPU-Nb vcontrol or a Memory controler Volt adjustment...With these options the chip will do better..

Ive Also found there is no way to really up the Volts of the memory controler in any of these bioses..Including Stock. By just only raising the Vcore ,its just not enuff and only adds heat in the Kitchen.There needs to be an adjustment for the memory controler Volts to be stable while overclocking...Phenom acts simalar to Ocing a 6400+ or 6000+, needs Volts for memory controler! HT and memory setting are a whole new ball game..I can not use any of the memory dividers although ive set each one manually it defaults to 400mhz!

The Mod Bios A78XAB21.A7X is pretty good and the B06.nba/ZXX bios pretty decent..

I also Used the Flash tool that is built into the mobo..Works to flash 100%! Or you can use a bootdisk and use AWDFlash. Make shure the Board is not Overclocked while flashing!

The Bioses are in link at the top:up:

@Polygon is working extremly hard , many late nights ! He's The Bios king with this Ts770 that all i know!. Thank him for the Bioses not me:yepp:

[Ugly n Grey]

I just got my board, going to try it with a 5000 BE. So we can see how it does for the price it was....

[gOtVoltage]

I just got my board, going to try it with a 5000 BE. So we can see how it does for the price it was....


300fsb easy..with a 5000+BE,Polygon tested this before running Phenom..It wasnt his max either!

[Ugly n Grey]

I'll start benching Friday, I dug up an old Powerstream 620 to use with it but my eyes need more daylight to work with when it come to plugging things into motherboards. I did put together the basic package... teaser pic :) I'll post a new thread with the build process, I'm still waiting for the 3850 so I'll start with a PCI basic card and do CPU only. All costs in this will probably make an excellent budget gaming system. If only I played games ... lol

[gOtVoltage]

Nice...X2's do good with em..i cant wait for Biostar to get a More optimal bios with memory settings that work with Phenom.Also the Multiplyer function Dosnt work With Phenom at the moment..All my over clocks are just on FSB and HTsettings.

This is funny , Did i set a Ts770 FSB record, Also note the uber Low Multi:rofl:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/safemode.jpg

[xixo_12]

nice setup Ugly n Grey...
but u change the chipset cooler??

[Ugly n Grey]

nice setup Ugly n Grey...
but u change the chipset cooler??

Yeah, I'm sure the passive cooler is fine for a stock box but I hope to
a) push this as hard as I can
b) I wanted to lower the height of the chipset cooler, the stock passive was just too high.

It's just a cheap LED solid copper cooler but it removes a point of air turbulence coming into the Ultra and stops (I think) the chipset heat sink from picking up some thermals from the video card.... I admit, I didn't even test the passive cooler, just changed it before I even fired up the board.

Edit: gOtVoltage that is a super low multi... wtf.... hehehehe

[n6b72g]

Polygon just posted a new bios over at rebelshaven, apparently this one allows for multiplier adjustment.

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000463;p=10

[xixo_12]

wow..updated.. i hope it can work well at am2 proc.. wanna oc my am2 proc..

[gOtVoltage]

The updated Mod Bios should work Just Fine on a X2:up: Im testing it as im typing ..

Heres a stock bech on 9600BE... CPU score is lot faster than my 6000+@3.5ghz which only did 2700+ for CPU Score:yepp: Seems that my GTS is held back..This dosnt happen with X2 Cpu's.I believe its because the Bios cant properly optimize memory and HT while running a X4, thus it also affects Videocard performance. Using a X2 you wont see this type of problem..Ive read where Bad Bios was crippling the M2N32deluxe and Videocard performance with Phenom,,((Kazgirl)) has updated from a buggy Bios with M2N32deluxe .The new one she is using also doubled her 3Dmark06 and overall performance basicaly..Shes now @11500+ on the M2N32deluxe...This leads me to say that if a AM2 can get a boost ,the Ts770 is in dire need of a well writen bios..So far i can run 230fsb with stock multi..

http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=319&threadid=90813&enterthread=y

Ts770 a Wolf in Sheeps skin.
Below is the First Bench Run @2300mhz and all stock settings//800mhz memory 5-5-5-18 2T ,,Running Newest Modded Bios from Polygon @ Rebelshaven. He's really on top of things for this Mobo:up:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/1st3Dmark06stocksetting8800gts512st.jpg

[tictac]

wow.. more bios from polygon. great. way to go..

[gOtVoltage]

By the way Polygons newest Bios works better than any of the BIOSTAR bioses..

Biostar has also removed the 116.BST from thier site! It did not work properly,,..NPT FID was suppose to be adjustable and was not for the 9600BE or 5000+BE from Biostar.

I believe the Mod from Polygon has fixed this for the 5000+BE...It is not yet fixed for the 9600BE though..

[JWilson]

Rebels have this listed as an alpha release meaning it may be a little buggy still. Their download page is here..... (http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TA770A2+/)

This is what was added:

http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2modbios-4.jpg

[gOtVoltage]

Also with newest Bios....NPT FID does not work on PhenomBE yet so this is with the FSB Only...

I have time to test Bios but no time to bench..Once i get what i feel is a decent 100% Oc ill start with some Prime SuPi and 3Dmark06...Im just working on what bios functions do what ,,Its getting realy interesting now!


The NPT Fid option had to be set Above 2900mhz to get 2760mhz..Although the Fid dosnt work for 9600BE , it affected the actual Mhz @boot up. Also the Screens below were with CnQ OFF! I Can run with it on ,but wanted to see what would happen with the Startup Voltage when set to off..I found it very interesting! 2760mhz Screens are below. no Bsod's no reboots, just crazy!

If i did not adjust (NPT FID) in this way it would show 1600mhz @boot or even some random overclock ..(Most interesting AMD i have Ever OverClocked)..Tweaking a X2 on the ts770 will be pure pleasure compared to playing with this thing.

All My Oveclocks are only able to run with memory @400mhz, Cant change divider it defaults to 400mhz..Only way to raise is by FSB overclock.

240fsb x 2 = Memory @440mhz x2 = 880mhz real clocks 5-5-5-18- 2T for now.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0685.jpg


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/CnQoff2760mhz.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/CPUzconfused.jpg

[xixo_12]

bro, can show some oc using phenom or X2??
waiting for Ugly n Grey setup

[Ugly n Grey]

I'm trying now with the stock BIOS so I understand for myself what difference are before I use a mod BIOS.

At stock volts with only a multi change on the stock BIOS I'm 3.3 Ghz prime stable so far. Cooling is the Ultra seen in the pic above, temps hovering at 33-34c when loaded.... (is that normal btw ?) ambient is about 22c.

[gOtVoltage]

bro, can show some oc using phenom or X2??
waiting for Ugly n Grey setup

Im currently trying the Mod Bioses for stability and to see what options really function and what dosnt under a Phenom 9600BE only at this time..

The X2BE 5000+ and 6400+will overclock with 300+ FSB and the 5000+BE can use the Unlocked Multis' from wha tive already seen. I havnt had time to test my 6000+@3.5ghz or have access to a Nice 6400+ for max clocks on my 770 yet! Regular X2's work fine as well as my LE 1620..:yepp:

Im patiently awaiting more Bios tweaks for optimization on the Phenom, ill swap chips and Retest all settings with my 6000+ once the Phenom has working NPT FID..and a few more tweaks.

So if anyone else has a X2 on this mobo with the Mod Bios,, let us know how its functioning.

Currently ((Polygon)) is working with the Phenom tweaks in particular.

[xixo_12]

for the moment, i didnt try the mod bios, will try after get back my PSU from RMA, before this using the bios from biostar website n have difficulties in oc, the multiplier auto change.. so the clock speed will reduce n cant get any stabiliy there.. so sad, but will try later with this mod bios.. i want my psu faster:D

[gOtVoltage]

for the moment, i didnt try the mod bios, will try after get back my PSU from RMA, before this using the bios from biostar website n have difficulties in oc, the multiplier auto change.. so the clock speed will reduce n cant get any stabiliy there.. so sad, but will try later with this mod bios.. i want my psu faster:D

The Biostar Bioses are auto defaulting...The MOD Bioses YOU should RUN WITH PHENOM the stock bios will be fine for X2.

Also Make shure DUAL CORE OPTIMIZATION DRIVER is UNINSTALLED from system before you INSTALL AMD CnQ driver!

I had installed the Phenom driver and removed the dual core driver after , Its a big mistake! Simple to overl@@k.

It gave the TA770 and Phenom a 3000 piont performance hit in 3Dmark06 @ stock clocks @2300mhz with my GTS512mb.

((((This will only happen with a Phenom installed , it does not affect any X2!))))

I am still below what a 2200mhz Phenom should bench with simalar card due to the TLBpatch. this causes a 20/30% performance loss with my GTS512mb.

Tommorow i will install a 3870 and rerun my benches for a chipset to videocard comparison.

Proggress is very good with the TA770:up: Even though i still have the TLB performance hit and a fully un optimized Bios! this is with the Biostar 116.BST recalled driver. I now need to bench the Newest Mod driver with the changes i have done and see how this affects my Oc!

1st bench run @ 2300mhz Phenom and GTS512

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/1st3Dmark06stocksetting8800gts512st.jpg

(Same settings 2300mhz )
After finding and full removing Dual Core Optimization Driver.
ADD/Remove programs only removed it from the list and did not install it! Most likely because i had installed the (AMD phenom driver) before i uninstalled the (Dual Core Driver):yepp:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/NewRun9000.jpg

[gOtVoltage]

I'm trying now with the stock BIOS so I understand for myself what difference are before I use a mod BIOS.

At stock volts with only a multi change on the stock BIOS I'm 3.3 Ghz prime stable so far. Cooling is the Ultra seen in the pic above, temps hovering at 33-34c when loaded.... (is that normal btw ?) ambient is about 22c.


Temps seem about Right ,,Its very low TDP:up: My LE1620 @3.3ghz on water is just below That and barely makes 24c fully loaded at 21c ambiant:ROTF:

You are only 2c higher than the 10c Delta ambiant differance which is good if i remember correctly.

Told you guys the TA770 is very X2 Oc friendly..Im Not trying to be smart ,its just worth every penny!

[Ugly n Grey]

I have to agree, in terms of the ability to OC my BE 5000+ the board is absolutely nuts for the price. I've switched to the current BIOS posted on the BIOSTAR website and that fixed the problem I was having generating high FSB's.

I'm currently sitting at +.050 voltage increase (1.425) at 3.25Ghz~ pushing the RAM . The sticks are a cheap set of OCZ's but I've managed to tweak some more performance out of them with tighter timings..... so basically I'm testing FSB at the moment. sitting at 250FSB and ram at 464~ 4 4 4 12 2T with the 13x multi

I had to push some more volts to stabilize the FSB increase, I may have a chip that's a little weak in the memory controller area. Temps are barely affected by the volt change (3c ~) and I'm increasing FSB 5Mhz at a time.

What I absolutely hate so far, is that everytime you enter the BIOS it drops the CPU multi by .5 .... how frigging annoying....

[xixo_12]

that why hate for.. why when restart it will drop .5.. no stability in bios.. hope they will fix faster..

[Ugly n Grey]

I have the cheap DDR2 RAM running stable at 535 (1070 DDR 2 effective 5,5,5 15) with the proc running at 3210MHz. There is definitely more in the FSB of this RAM and this board. Once I hit a point I think is good I will try and tighten up the RAM again though for 40 bucks worth of RAM (total 2x1Gig) I'm not sure I'd be radically disappointed if it stopped there.

Downside: high FSB on my chip requires .05 additional volts in order to keep the RAM stable. Not that it's a bad thing, I have tons of cooling headroom.

Prognosis: BIOS needs work, but I have no fear BIOSTAR will fix it and guys like Polygon will mod it to make it even better, so there's a good future with this board. It sure is clocking the x2 nicely.

[xixo_12]

luckily we have polygon, so many thanx. if not maybe is the time to say gudbye to this mobo

[tictac]

looks like polygon managed to control nptfid of core0 in his latest mod. gotvoltage has you test it? wow.. would be great if we can have independent multiplier control for phenom..

[lemonlime]

I just picked up the board as well. Great bang for the buck, but the BIOS is definitely buggy. I'm using an X2.

So far, I've noticed the following:


CPU multi decreases by 1/2 every time you enter the BIOS.
CPU multiplier can increase regardless of what is set in the BIOS. Forcing the Vid to something other than 'Auto' seemed to correct this. I set 8x, and can get 10x once booted.
HT Multi (1000/800/600 etc) reverts to 'Auto' after reboot, or entering the bios. This one is causing me headaches at high HTT, I think.


I'm also getting no-post after reboots. I have a feeling this has to do with the HT muliplier/frequency failing to 'stick' in the BIOS. On a positive note, I am able to get into windows at 350MHz :) I think that once these kinks are worked out, the board will be a great, stable overclocker--especially for X2s.

[xixo_12]

before this i'm using ta690g.. i have the feeling that this mobo will have same capabilities as much as ta690g.. so i just straight away to buy it eventhough the bios is still buggy..
ta690g is a very good mobo to overclock .. n it seem applies to this mobo.. but need to wait the bios first..
u can still oc your rig but will face some trouble...

[tictac]

New bios for Biostar TA770 :up:
125.BST
Date : 28/1/2008

Download Link:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/upload/Bios/A78XA125.BST

[Ugly n Grey]

Thanks for the post TICTAC, I was just thinking I might shelve this board for a while, I hope this fixes the issues :)

[lemonlime]

Going to try it out tonight as well, thanks for the link :)

[Ugly n Grey]

I've tried the new BIOS and it fixes most issues I was having with the multi's changing on the fly etc...... I'm not entirely sure but I think offhand it's affected my ability to get the RAM up higher. Now why would that be? not that it matters, lower with tight timings is fine for me. I will fool around with it more and post results.

[justapost]

Is NPT the memory controller on the cpu?

[Ugly n Grey]

NPT FID is the multiplier for procs, NPT VID is the base voltage for the proc.

will post OC later
Edit: progress halted, fried PSU (probably from sitting around for two years in teh freezing cold) :( . New one coming Thursday.

[lemonlime]

I flashed to the 125 bios without issue, going to push the HTT again and see what has changed. I'll post back soon.

UPDATE: I can confirm a few bug fixes, including the CPU multiplier dropping and the HTT multiplier/frequency not sticking in the BIOS. I'm very happy to see this, I'll post back with some results. I've got a 6000+ in the board now.

[justapost]

NPT FID is the multiplier for procs, NPT VID is the base voltage for the proc.
Thx, searched the AMD BKD Guid for NPT and it was only mentioned in relation to the memory controller. So you are in a similar situation than I am with the M3A, waiting for proper phenom vcore settings. ;) First bios had deactivated cpu multi and non working prozessor voltage field.

[lemonlime]

Great board for X2s. No trouble getting to 350MHz HTT with my 6000+. Can't seem to break this limit at default chipset voltage. I up'ed it a bit, but didn't seem to make a difference. 350MHz still great though. Solid as a rock and no reboot issues like before either. Definitely work flashing to this BIOS rev.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=304703

No need for me to run these high HTTs with a 6000+ and 5000BE :) But always like to see where the ceiling is.

[gOtVoltage]

New bios for Biostar TA770 :up:
125.BST
Date : 28/1/2008

Download Link:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/upload/Bios/A78XA125.BST

Also i just finished testing The latest mod Bios Core 0 indeed works..Polygon is really on to something :up: Biostar couldnt evn make it work for the 9600BE.

I am patiently toying with the TA770..It by far will be one of the Best budget boards with Fully controlable Bios for X2 and Phenom once these Bioses get better.

Oems should make a rule not to release any MOBO untill all the Functions they claim work actually work...

I like messing with the TA770 .Still beats spending $270+ for a FX..I only use One Card and will never Xfire or SLI..The 780//790x and FX share simalar problems with Bioses ..Just some Oems are faster at making them better than others:yepp:

It pays to give things a chance...
I never read a book with out looking inside ,,There fore ,, One shall not judge by the Cover:yepp:

Thanks for BIOSTAR linky TicTac

Note: 125.BST Biostar dosnt have NPT Fid for 9600BE..Works stable a stock settings with DDR1066 @533mhz,,Make shure you set HTwidth to 16x and HT freqency to 2.6mhz for best overall performance with stock settings:up:

P.S. LemonLime,, Nice budget X2 mobo Ehhh,,Clocks like a charm with X2.

[tictac]

gotvoltage.. can you run 2.6ghz ht link stable with this board?

[gOtVoltage]

So far i can with stock settings 125.BST 1066mhz

The newest Mod NB 2600mhz and HT 2400mhz and 1066mhz memory...

Will run some prime after one more Bios...

Ive done countless Back to back runs with 3Dmark06 and Tons of SuPi runs with out any problems...Ive just been putting it off because im swapping Bios every 10minutes:ROTF: A working NPT Fid Bios will be Icing on the Cake..Seeing running the 9600BE the NPT is borked. Polygon is on a Bios roll Today:up:

Update New Mod Bios XXX Priming @2600mhz NB and 2400mhz HT with 1066mhz memory setting,,pretty dang smooth even while playing music and Surfing Forums!

Just need to get the Width IN/OUT set to 16x and a Working NPT Fid with this Bios,, then the real fun will start:D

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/priming2600NB2400HT.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/Highestlinkspeeds.jpg

[gOtVoltage]

Here is a small update on TA770//9600BE @ stock Settings. GTS512 stock settings.

Default Bios 125.BST was used..

So far

Deafault@ 2300mhz and HT Auto settings Bios.

3Dmark06 = 6200+



HTlink/Width 16x and HT set to 2.6.

3Dmark06 = 9000+


HTlink/Width 16x and HT set to 2.6,,AOD Disable TLB/RED Option Button

3Dmark06 = 10800+


Progress ,, Testing new Mod TS6 for results..So far Link width or Pci-E still limits to 6200+ in 3Dmark06..Regardless of running 2.4ghz or 2.5ghz..New Modbios tweaks are helping to Oc higher but keep the Pci-E limited some how..will know more later..

The Goal now is to improve the ModBios over the 125.BST ,while Overclocking!..Eventually the ModBios will be able to get 2.5ghz or more..with out the wierd Pci-E//Ht problem...Then we should get 13000+ or better with a stock GTS512!

[Ugly n Grey]

very cool, thanks for the update

[tictac]

gotvoltage.. wait.. aint that gts pcie 1.0 gen card, while amd 770 is pcie gen2!

[gOtVoltage]

Cant get my 3870x2 to post with the TA770

using two 6pin connectors and themaltake Silent 750psu..

I know its not PSU....Runs two GTS//GTX//3870 just fine...

The GTS512 ran good..
Removed it and the Drivers,,Drivercleaner ,,
Cleared CMOS and Pulled Battery
Installed New 3870x2 (with both connectors)
No LED's are lit on VideoCard(Normal)
If i disconnect any of the Two Pci-e connectos then i will get the waring LED's on the VideoCard(Normal)

It just wont Post period,,Blackscreen and then the Normal post single beep....Like the Monitor is off,,Cant get into bios..Dosnt initialize the Monitor!

I also tried a spare X1550XT and X1650XT,,both work with out any drivers !!!!

I hope this isnt a deadcard:(

P.S. GTS512 was fully uninstalled using DriverCleaner and i have Not Installed any ATI drivers yet...The 3870x2 just wont intialize the monitor!

[xixo_12]

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3559/84902292hs8.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=84902292hs8.jpg)

result with ta770 latest official bios

[Ugly n Grey]

wow, look at that voltage... suicide shot xixo ?

[gOtVoltage]

wow, look at that voltage... suicide shot xixo ?


Nice Oc ,, now thats Extreme Volt clocking hehee:D

L,ightning E,dition 1620:yepp:

[xixo_12]

that one is symptom of lazy overclocking.. juz wanna try tis 45w and thermaltake bigtyphon VX.. and there is the result.. i decided to stop push at 3550mhz and just playing the voltage.. so fun when it can feed until 1.7v.. n there is room to push the vcore.. later i will include how far it can go with that voltage..

just wanna try the latest bios.. and i feel it still buggy..:down:

Overclock LE1620 (http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/616762/+1120)

the link to oc..look at post #1136

[Ugly n Grey]

Why do you say that? I haven't had any problem with it using a x2 ... zero. Latest BIOS fixed the basic problems I was having, only thing that changed for the worse is voltage settings for the RAM are off. I'm just curious to see what's up.

UnG

[tictac]

Biostar TA770 review
Phenom 9600 at 2.93GHz
Link:
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=es%7Cen&u=http://www.chilehardware.com/Revisiones/Placas-Madres/Biostar-TA770-A2%252B-200802071945/6.html

[xixo_12]

Why do you say that? I haven't had any problem with it using a x2 ... zero. Latest BIOS fixed the basic problems I was having, only thing that changed for the worse is voltage settings for the RAM are off. I'm just curious to see what's up.

UnG

haha.. i found, when i set to 285mhz , it will drop at 282.. wondering why..
but if compare to previous bios, this bios fixed major problem.. so :clap: to biostar staff

[Ugly n Grey]

Yeah I've seen the rounding it does on the FSB. It seems to me that it "rounds off" the clocks to what it can handle for divisors and even though the options are there for 1Mhz increments, it's more like increments of whatever works with the divisors. Weird, but doable. I notice there's less of that with the half multi's.

[xixo_12]

hope polygon upgrade it..:ROTF:

[lazy]

Yeah I've seen the rounding it does on the FSB. It seems to me that it "rounds off" the clocks to what it can handle for divisors and even though the options are there for 1Mhz increments, it's more like increments of whatever works with the divisors. Weird, but doable. I notice there's less of that with the half multi's.

Hey UnG, i have a quick question


last time i had an AMD was back in 939times, so with your current OC with the 5000BE, how would you compare that with intel?

that combo you have with the TA770 & 5000BE looks too good to pass up

[Ugly n Grey]

It's a little less snappy than an Opty 939 at those frequencies. But... board features have improved, it's way cooler than any opty I ever had as measured from anywhere using a real thermal probe and it was less than 200 bucks for processor and board shipped.... In terms of performance over all the unit feels really good and I'm quite pleased with the memory bandwidth (11G/s). The PWM area on the board is not cooled with anything , but with the unit folding full blast it doesn't really get hot - you can stick your fingers on the PWM area and leave them there... big diff from my DFI NF4 days. I teamed it up with a 3870 and the performance is very nice. It's like a budget gaming rig that actually delivers. The 3870 cost as much as the CPU/BOARD/RAM put together. In terms of vs C2D you need about 300-400 Mhz over a C2D to put up similiar performance. So it's a fair match with guys running up to around 3Ghz C2D's. As far as what to choose, I've been able to run Pi at 3.5Ghz and could probably stabilize it, but I want the higher FSBs and lower temps so stopped at 3250MHz for 24/7. (all on air mind you and software monitor never reads over 40c in the case)

I've heard KTE grumbling about 770 based boards, but real world testing isn't backing up his data for me. It's cool, it's stable and it was as cheap as a lady of the night having a Sunday sale.

This whole scenario might be entirely different with a Phenom, but Phenom isn't value for money in my opinion. If I was buying a quad it would be Intel, hands down.

[KTE]

Ugly n Grey: There is no real world data with Phenom+Biostar TA770 A2+ apart from Polygon that I know, if you know of any then please point me to it -> I've not seen one user bench 2.65-3GHz Phenom on a 770 board for prolonged periods like 790FX users have, nor have I seen them get it stable, nor any folding on it and run it for over a week or two, nor any 8hr +2.5G priming without problems on air cooling. Sparky I advised against using a 9600 BE with 770 boards when you have better options, was hoping for +2.7G oc's and that's exactly why I advised that. We only have all this data for 790FX and Phenom so far. Without this I can only say what I'm advised to. Stock all or stock volts, things should be fine on any AM2+ board out there with Phenoms including 100-300MHz oc's on near stock volts.

Something that we drew attention during the meeting for this section was the fact that every time a configuration is saved and restarted, the board takes a long time to re-start. At the beginning is not known whether this was a tendency to think that the plaque was hung and did not re-starting but it is not. Most often only have to wait a little longer for that split the plate.This is an oddity with Phenom on any board, not just specific with this board. ;)

[Ugly n Grey]

Ugly n Grey: There is no real world data with Phenom+Biostar TA770 A2+ apart from Polygon that I know, if you know of any then please point me to it -> I've not seen one user bench 2.65-3GHz Phenom on a 770 board for prolonged periods like 790FX users have, nor have I seen them get it stable, nor any folding on it and run it for over a week or two, nor any 8hr +2.5G priming without problems on air cooling. Sparky I advised against using a 9600 BE with 770 boards when you have better options, was hoping for +2.7G oc's and that's exactly why I advised that. We only have all this data for 790FX and Phenom so far. Without this I can only say what I'm advised to. Stock all or stock volts, things should be fine on any AM2+ board out there with Phenoms including 100-300MHz oc's on near stock volts.

This is an oddity with Phenom on any board, not just specific with this board. ;)

Does it not say in my post this might be different with Phenom? In fact it does, I'm not picking on you, just saying that in my experience this board offers good value for the money coupled with a cheap x2 AM2. In my case, it's a 5000+ BE . My board is folding and 24hr prime stable and for what I paid it's fun value.

I say again, I don't think Phenom is value for money with any board, not just this one.

To your point, it's not just Polygon testing the board, it's basically everyone in that thread on Rebels. In my point of view the fact is running a high voltage OC on a Phenom with any board is a waste of time with air cooling especially given the current results. Too many misses and not enough hits.

However, to each their own.

I like your posts KTE, you're knowledgeable and well read on the topics. But I'd rather blow up a low cost piece of hardware by pushing it too hard then have smooth sailing on a higher priced product. There's a certain fun value in seeing how far anything will run past spec.

[tictac]

NB Speed @ 4.6GHz
Biostar TA770
Tuned by Polygon :up:

http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2+020808-1.jpg

[gOtVoltage]

Polygon is kicken out some nice bioses,, Gets better by the day! Now i can run 5600NB and 1800HT :D Priceless...

Makes the whole system respond better period. Amazing



http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/5600nb1800htcpu2300.jpg

[informal]

Not that i don't believe Polygon managed to make this happen,but >5Ghz on the NB/L3 sounds pretty unrealistic?Maybe the CPuz is just reading these values while in reality nothing changes?
gOtVoltage can you run some Everest cache benchmarks and CPUz latency tool?This would clearly show a large improvement in bandwidth and latency of the L3 cache,if true taht is.
Thanks and i hope for the best :)( ie. it's true and you run your NB at 5.6GHz :D)

[tictac]

Polygon is kicken out some nice bioses,, Gets better by the day! Now i can run 5600NB and 1800HT :D Priceless...

Makes the whole system respond better period. Amazing



http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/5600nb1800htcpu2300.jpg

Phenom NB World Record! :worship: :pimp:

[informal]

Damn this is all so exciting :D.Seems liek it really does have a positive effects,at least in SPi it does ! :D

Keep us updated tictac(as you see new info from gOtVoltage or Polygon)

[gOtVoltage]

It does work,, trial edtion of Everest ultimate..you can still see it improved the MB/s,, Latency.Even though the latency xxx,,When it comes to MB/s Lower is better in all scores... NB helps with almost everything..The lower the score the faster the system will be...

Remeber this is CPU@2300mhz and only Raising the NB:yepp: Even more so the NB will help the chip become faster with every 100mhz Core raise. Its noticable speed increase,, It all adds up in the End.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/NB2800mhz.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/NB5600mhz.jpg



Ive also been playing around with my little ATIx2...ill talk about this another day..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/904_2200mhz3870x2.jpg

[RebelsHaven]

My 9500 is totally maxed out in this screenie:

http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2+020908-3.JPG

[gOtVoltage]

Wow,,So i gotta up the anti and start Overclocking this thing real soon...

this will get intersting...1.5volts+ here i come:ROTF:

Working out a few 3870x2 bugs then ill start crankin up the CPU..

Ill have some good 8500 real soon to push with too.. Imaxed my Crucial Ballistix at about 1100mhz with 1066/divider(Rev 2.3)! Darn heatsinks suck on them.


Now Can you go more if you lower th NB a little?

P.S. Amazing work Bro!:yepp:

[gOtVoltage]

UPDATE : New Bioses with up to 6200mhz NB!!!!

The Mod Bioses Are Phenom Only with TLB disabled and will run Ganged and Unganged even at 1066mhz..

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000463;p=40


This is real and Polygon is up to 6300mhz+ on NB.......

My 9600BE @2300mhz NB6200mhz HT1800mhz

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/Unganged1066_6200mhz.jpg

[tictac]

9600 Black Edition at 6.2GHz NB Speed... :woot:

you gotta be kidding :up:

[KTE]

Haha LOL! :D

Run some bandwidth/32M benches please. You should crack 18k Sandra with those MHz damn easily.

[Andi64]

If the Northbridge can clock up to 6200Mhz... what's holding the core frequency back?
I thought that too much frequency at the northbridge was the problem, and thats why we were using dividers... but now I don't get it... even 3Ghz core clock is hard to get working.

[Periander6]

If the Northbridge can clock up to 6200Mhz... what's holding the core frequency back?
I thought that too much frequency at the northbridge was the problem, and thats why we were using dividers... but now I don't get it... even 3Ghz core clock is hard to get working.

No. The problem is the Phenom chip itself.

[gOtVoltage]

Haha LOL! :D

Run some bandwidth/32M benches please. You should crack 18k Sandra with those MHz damn easily.

Im new to using Sandra Sisoft..But i believe this is good my 2300mhz 9600BE .If im reading correct it outperforms the 9700.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/cpu23006200nb.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/Unganged1066_6200mhz.jpg

9600BE @2300 6200mhzNB 1800mhzHT 1066mhz/memory. No TLB Fix enabled
MOD Bios 6200mhzNB . using the Default 11.5 core multi 11.5 x 200fsb

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/coreeffincency.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/Sisoftcpurun.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/sisoftcpumemLAT.jpg

[KTE]

Any Sandra memory bandwidth numbers gOtVoltage?

How much volts did you require to oc NB?

[gOtVoltage]

Any Sandra memory bandwidth numbers gOtVoltage?

How much volts did you require to oc NB?

I dont know how to run 32m Sandra with this but look at these..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/bandwidthsisoft.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/performancebw.jpg

CPU is @ 1.3volts and its stable at 1.29v volts . Which is only two steps up from stock..HT volts are 1.3v and NB/SB is 1.19v

This is so much faster already and Biostar Bioses arent even close to running everything at full speed , The Mod bioses are night and day over stock and are still limeted because they dont run at full speed either...

Polygon is running a 9500 @ 2553mhz with 6300mhz NB...

[Nedjo]

Something is seriously wrong with that NB reading in CPUZ! In reality NB doesn't work on 6+ GHz, and Sandra memBW test is showing that!

Here is Sandra 2008 SP1 memBW score on Phenom 9700 @ default freq.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6743/sandra2008sp1membwk1024hi8.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sandra2008sp1membwk1024hi8.jpg)

[KTE]

Well, compare those with Sami who ran a ~2.3GHz NB vs. ~2.5GHz NB to show it's effects on Sandra bandwidth to us with loose standard timings (no tweaks at all). My tests gave the same results on two 9600 BE's.

Which version of Sandra are you using?

I wish I could get hold of this board around here to check out. :(

Stock Phenom 9600 BE DDR2-800 Sandra 32b is like so: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2737890&postcount=926

[gOtVoltage]

Something is seriously wrong with that NB reading in CPUZ! In reality NB doesn't work on 6+ GHz, and Sandra memBW test is showing that!

Here is Sandra 2008 SP1 memBW score on Phenom 9700 @ default freq.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6743/sandra2008sp1membwk1024hi8.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sandra2008sp1membwk1024hi8.jpg)

HERE is Sandra 2008 SP1 memBW score on Phenom 9600BE@ default with 6200mhzNB XPx64bit....it scores roughly 500points more than the 9700@2400mhz

HIHGER is BETTER.


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/6200nbamd.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/newrunsisoft.jpg

No CPU-Z isnt broke and yes Phenom will run @6200mhz NB .I suppose SuPi and AOD and Coretemp and My bios and Sandra is broke...Everything is noticably faster..Even 3Dmark06 picked up over 200points from stock NB2600mhz to 6200mhz NB.

SuperPi even scores Lower several seconds lower going from 2600mhz to 6200mhz @CPU default 2300mhz and 1800mhzHT.

RebelsHaven" Polygon" and others are doing what im showing you.

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000463;p=40


KTE thanks for the Link that just reashured me heheee..This is fricken so good for Phenom...I cant wait for a real good Bios for Polygon to get his hands on...

[tictac]

wow.. wonder how it will perform at full potential. tighter timing higher clock. congrats for WR :worship:

[gOtVoltage]

wow.. wonder how it will perform at full potential. tighter timing higher clock. congrats for WR :worship:


Changed the Mutli to 12x instead of 11.5..everthing else the same shaved off 1 more second! Lots of potential..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/24006200.jpg


My Xp x64bit Phenom Driver and CnQ seems to be the culprit to locking my system with FSB overclocking..When i set the FSB and Extra Volts in Bios the CnQ and or Phenom Driver locks at windows sign in..Also Vcore its always 1.25v in AOD even when CPU-Z reads higher set Vcore. Lastly if i disable CnQ i can boot up into Windows with out safe mode BIOS set to 250x 11.5 = 2875mhz...but it will only be half speed in windows:mad:

So i may need to buy another Os..i may even hold out a few more weeks and see if another Biostar Bios gets released,,.the next one is suppose to have lots of fixes.

[tictac]

ok run with cnq off. make a cpuz dump and send it to make. maybe we can find way to solve your half speed issue..

[KTE]

I think you better check what everyone has said since mid-December and knows about Phenom NB and it's limitations and needs of high volts including Sami, gOtVoltage. If anyone knows how to oc or about Phenom, I'm sure you know Sami will. Email AMD support and find out. ;)
Sadly, I have to say your BIOS has a major bug that you guys need to work out. Your NB so far is showing only results of it being very near 1800MHz NB in all instances where only multiplier is used only. :(

You're on X64, your bandwidth should be far far higher at only 2200MHz on NB 1066 and no tweaks whatsoever. Your bandwidth is low for such clocks. Those results our systems can beat with near stock NB frankly, and we know how NB perf. scales with speed very clearly.

Also according to AMD/Sami, those NB speeds are impossible. Even 3GHz/2.8GHz above subzero is impossible. You need LN2 to get such high speeds and damn high volts for. It's like you hitting 6.2GHz on Core 2 on air. Fact is, you'll have to prove it with performance of 2.5GHz NB first. That's why NB was released unsync with the cores, it's hard to clock and causes instability quickly. Absolutely no way you'll even hit 2.8GHz on air with less than 1.55V with it, mark my word. ;)

The only way you can very clearly test NB speed is bandwidth/32M etc. They show your NB speed very very clearly. Like I said you should be over 18k Sandra with only 3.5GHz NB even without linear scaling (it scales pretty much linear).

At this moment, you should try working out what speed you're at by comparing performance of known NB speeds because your BIOS is giving off wrong NB values - most software will then fault based on it. I'll tell you a test for NB: WinRAR :yepp:

It scales very well with NB, no need for CPU speed, only NB speed with 800 or 1066 RAM stock can show the NB speed. You should top 2500KB/s with 2300MHz CPU, 1066 RAM and 2800MHz NB or your real clocks are lower.

Hope you guys figure and test this out better and iron out these bugs, major bugs at that. :D

[tictac]

New Bios! :woot:

222.BST
Date : 22/2/2008

Features:
- AGESA CPU ROM Version 3.1.1.0
- SB600 SATA ROM Version 2.5.15.40.33

Download Link:
http://www.biostar.cn/bios2005/BIOS/TA770%20A2+/A78XA222.BST.rar

[Ugly n Grey]

Thanks for posting that tictac.

I have to wonder how much of Polygons thread is being co - opted into the BIOS revs that are being released :) :up:

[gOtVoltage]

Ok i just installed another Bios 222.xxx Mod bios which uses the new 222.BST Biostar Bios ..

@Cpu2300mhz 1800mhz HT x 2 = HT3600mhz this is running at Mobo spec.

SuperPi 1m @ 1800NB 1800HT = 35.675s
SuperPi 1m @ 6200NB 1800HT = 32.610s

Im so confused that if the NB isnt doing anything why do i GAIN over 2s in 1M performance wise.

Why are the Applications running faster,, Why are my 3Dmark06 scores faster.

It dosnt make sense if its not working...per AMD 6.2g is max for NB

Also how would you bench mark WinRar ? isnt that just a file program like WinZIP.

How the heck would it benchmark?

Also Sandra shows the memory controler @ 6.2g..

Is the NB actually the memory controler speed?

L@@K below @6200NB its 6.2g..Now if i run Default with out raising NB its 1.8g.

There is over a (2 second gain from 1800nb to 6200nb) , how is this possiable then? Im no expert but something is making the CPU faster in all APPS!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/controler31.jpg

[justapost]

Im so confused that if the NB isnt doing anything why do i GAIN over 2s in 1M performance wise.

Why are the Applications running faster,, Why are my 3Dmark06 scores faster.

It dosnt make sense if its not working...per AMD 6.2g is max for NB

Also how would you bench mark WinRar ? isnt that just a file program like WinZIP.

How the heck would it benchmark?

Also Sandra shows the memory controler @ 6.2g..

Is the NB actually the memory controler speed?

L@@K below @6200NB its 6.2g..Now if i run Default with out raising NB its 1.8g.

There is over a (2 second gain from 1800nb to 6200nb) , how is this possiable then? Im no expert but something is making the CPU faster in all APPS!

Played with nb multis above 9 via wprcedit and found that the max async latency was different between both setups. after i used the same mal via memset the difference shrank to about 1/3. I could not find other subtimings that differed.
Maybe L3 cache timings (assuming it has ones) are also affected. Do you need higher nb voltage to run those higher multis stable?

Check winrar's menues.

[gOtVoltage]

Im running Cpu @1.31volts with NB/SB @ 1.25v and HT @1.3v

Ill dload winRar and try bench with that then.. I just find this wierd..The system does do better,,but like KTE says that its diffacult to run even over 3.0g on the NB so this just seems crazy i know.

Ill try post more later.

It could be Bios bug or TLB fix just makes it run good..What ever it is when i go from(( 1800 TLB fix off to 6200 TLB fix off ))there is over a( 2 second gain,improvement in system speed)..Despite the TLB off mode the only setting being changed is NB! I just need to find exactly how ,why this gains performance.

[KTE]

Aha you see gOtVoltage, things are quite weird and you have to compare to known values. You should always test any setup to know facts. Software reading vs. Physical speed change are two different things. ;)

Have you seen my 14GHz K7.5 benchmarked? :lol2:

I've seen and known about these bugs on both AM2 and AM2+ with Phenom for a long while. They're very constant with AM2 users but easy to catch by the performance. They're typical BIOS bugs. I've spoken and shown them many times.

Keep two basics in mind:
1) Registers can read anything => software which reads registers only, if register is wrong, software which relies on it is wrong.
2) Phenom systems are known to read wrong registers and thus speed values many many times.
3 i) While the actual physical speed/multi of the system can be very different or not changed at all. You can check this by benchmarking only.

Let's take some examples.
You posted this oc 02-24-2008:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/5600nb1800htcpu2300.jpg

The EVEREST Ultimate benchmarks of it you posted after (02-10-2008): NB 2800 vs. NB 5600

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/NB2800mhz.jpg http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/NB5600mhz.jpg

Quick comment: your IMC scores are very low even for 1800MHz IMC, the read is too low. Something seems wrong with the NB clock controller and/or register. Your scores should be higher even if those 1800 was real, even more with X64.

Now me and Achim compared MB RAM/Cache/IMC performance at the same clocks/timings. Have a look at these at 2200/1800/800. I'll choose to compare Achim's 9500 770 scores as the 790 boards were a bit better.
M3A results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2739970&postcount=259
K9A2 Platinum results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2741063&postcount=950
PC-AM2RD790 results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2801165&postcount=566

If your speeds were above 2200/1800 IMC, you should naturally have higher L1/L2 and L3 scores and lower latencies by far. You should have lower memory bandwidth and higher memory latency though due to us having tighter timings =>

http://www.abload.de/img/everest-gangedtp4.jpg

If you compare, your results are much lower than a 1800MHz IMC. The results mainly affected are L3 read bw and latency. Both of yours are low for even 1800 MHz (this bug is giving you poor IMC performance, even worse than stock). If you ran L3 latency which depends on read bw, it would be slow for even 1800MHz. If you look at the other's, they're even higher.

Now I'll show you the very obvious difference of real IMC clocks as Sami (AMD worker/pioneer allround overclocker) showed us a while back and how you can see them done in typical mode, not with services/processes/themes disabled but just the AV/FW paused from an everyday OS.


TEST REAL IMC SPEED

1809MHz (9x) vs. 2211MHz (11x)

EVEREST Ultimate (check the L3)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2759/nb22stock2dy1.jpg
vs.
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5484/nb22stockvl2.jpg

WinRAR

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7724/261318091066winrarte4.png vs.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2577/nb2211winyq8.jpg


See the glaring difference and perf. gain? ;)
I also have near 2.6GHz real speeds benchmarked and plus 7GHz bugged ones benchmarked. Like I said, actual oc IMC requires high volts and is hard.

Compare the 7GHz benchmark, so you know what a bugged reading looks like (actual speed has obviously not changed from 1809).

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4341/nbbwevta9.jpg

No real change from stock (minor fluctuation is normal).

Re SPi: your score is actually still not optimized and fair slow for 2300/1800/800. It could get much faster leaving all speeds/timings the same. If even you managed 2200 IMC real, your 1M would be much lower.

HIH. :)

[gOtVoltage]

Thank you KTE,, for your input..Explains alot...The crazy thing is that means the STOCK BIOS for TA770 is very slow for Phenom...Using the Mods is the only way that one can really see the speed of Phenom on this Mobo...

Even with a Mod Bios the VideoGraphics links or Bandwidth/HT is even slower than what is should be...Ive tried GTS512 X1550 X1660 3870x2 and even some 1st gen GTS and all have a 10/15% reduction in speed using PCi-E 2.0 on this Mobo with Phenom..They do work at full speed with regular X2 chips..

This shows the Bioses need lots of work for Phenom...I believe Phenom should have its own exclusive Bioses for performance over these dual bios stuff.

Oh well we shall keep trying... ill keep all of you posted...

Thanks again:up:!gOtVolTage!

[KTE]

It's no problem at all, you're very welcome, I don't want users to get confused and not see the real performance increase with oc of all parameters. It's big and it increases with speeds. ;)
Plus I want the developers to iron these bugs out and fix them for all AM2 and AM2+ boards so end users can really get a good taste of oc'ing. Phenom is highly tweakable, quite complex in its running too.

Check my +7GHz NB run compared to the 1.8GHz Nb run, you'll see 7Ghz is actually slower. That's because the registers turn whacko. Your underperfomance looks for that same reason. Leave NB speed at auto or 1800MHz in BIOS, and see how it performs. Other 770 boards are not performing as bad as that nor any other Phenoms so I highly doubt it's the board, it's the BIOS and the BIOS settings you choose. :)

Phenom still needs better BIOSes. MBs which have decent BIOS are missing at least one or two other crucial components either in hardware or software compatibility. Ones that have these lack a decent stable BIOS. No one has it all yet. :(

Hope Polygon can smash something out of this. :up:

[gOtVoltage]

Linky

http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TA770A2+/ 228.BST (BETA)not official yet...Stock Biostar

Polygon has a TLB fix already as well..

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000463;p=44

NPTfid and NB working with 9600BE...Thes Bioses still have a long way to go but keep getting better testing the (TLB disabled fix Bios) .. the 228.TBL MOD Works like a charm the NPTfid and NB clocks but memory @ 1066 can be set using 1066divider.. It will default to 800mhz.

NB settings seem to like 2000mhz and lower with HT being set the same...Before this Bios i had to use FSB or AOD to Oc...Now i can raise/lower the Multi along with the FSB:yepp:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/NPTfidBios.jpg

I am on X64bit..that is the only reason why i am not posting Oc's over 2.5ghz..It just isnt 100% possable ATM...It has to do with the 64bitOS and Bios..Those of you with 32bit OS should be able to crack 2.5ghz with out a sweat on the TA770 with the (Stock Beta228.BST) or (Mod Beta 228.TBL..TLB disabled BIOS..

Like always many thanks to :up: Polygon :up: for his TLB work and other optimizations..Funny he is way fast with these updates.

[gOtVoltage]

The TA770 can do 270+fsb with Phenom! I maxed out my ram 1080mhz @2.3volts with this Bios or i would of gone more...The Biostar Bioses need to be Optimized more fo Higher ram and CPU above 2600mhz!...The 228 Bios is Biostars latest BETA and Polygon has added only the TLB disable option to it...


The screen is CPU@ 2300mhz(8.5x270fsb) im now using 2400mhz (9x270fsb) havnt had chance to Oc more yet...What is nice is before this the TA770 would only do 230/240 max .....Its definatly a learning process:yepp:


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/270fsb2300mhz.jpg

[Cisco Kid]

I am looking for some help. Hope someone can take the time to help as I am a little confused on the Phenom overclocking as I have been out of the loop and was just using simple overclocking with past 5000BE and priopr to that xeon quad which was simple. I have been reading but see there are a few factors with Phenom overclocking, I just want to get to 2.5

I have:

Phenom 9500
TA 770 A2+ running Biostar 125 bios
2x2GB Gskill PC6400 4,4,4,12
Freezone CPU Tec cooler
Antec Neo 550HE

Questions:

1) Should I update to latest Biostar 222 bios or rebel havens beta 228
2) Is the TLB fix auto enabled in my current 125 bios or will it be auto enabled in the new 222 bios? If so what do I need to disable it as I see that appears to be the route pees are going
3) quick step to what I should be adjusting to get to 2.5

[gOtVoltage]

Use the 228.TLB from Rebelshaven...PHENOM ONLY BIOS

The 125BST and 222BST suffer bad ...performance takes a hit becuase yes they use the TLB fix.

Install the 228.TLB using stock default settings so you can set up all your hardware drivers what ever...This will prevent most problems...Also Set the correct Voltage for your ram but leave the timing on Auto...Then once everything is working go Back into BIOS to Enable the BooT Lan option and then set what ever timing and multi you may need..

The BootLan ENABLE will Disable the TLBfix in the 228.TLB bios.....

Also turning off CnQ to enable adjustable NB and Multi options...

If you use SATA make shure its set to Native IDE mode ..There are two different Sata controlers..I disable the First Jmicron Esata....and only use the Onboard Sata..make shure its set to IDE mode DONT USE AHCI.

Another Bios should be out Very soon from what Biostar states and is suppose to Fix many 9500/9600 and 9600BE disfunctional features...In other words we should be getting a kickAsss Bios soon and you know Polygon will disable the TLBfix:up:

The performance of the 228.TLB is night and day over the 125 and 222 bioses...

[Cisco Kid]

Use the 228.TLB from Rebelshaven...PHENOM ONLY BIOS

The 125BST and 222BST suffer bad ...performance takes a hit becuase yes they use the TLB fix.

Install the 228.TLB using stock default settings so you can set up all your hardware drivers what ever...This will prevent most problems...Also Set the correct Voltage for your ram but leave the timing on Auto...Then once everything is working go Back into BIOS to Enable the BooT Lan option and then set what ever timing and multi you may need..

The BootLan ENABLE will Disable the TLBfix in the 228.TLB bios.....

Also turning off CnQ to enable adjustable NB and Multi options...

If you use SATA make shure its set to Native IDE mode ..There are two different Sata controlers..I disable the First Jmicron Esata....and only use the Onboard Sata..make shure its set to IDE mode DONT USE AHCI.

Another Bios should be out Very soon from what Biostar states and is suppose to Fix many 9500/9600 and 9600BE disfunctional features...In other words we should be getting a kickAsss Bios soon and you know Polygon will disable the TLBfix:up:

The performance of the 228.TLB is night and day over the 125 and 222 bioses...


I really appreciate your feedback. I have not played with overclocking MAD quad in a while and got a bit lazy

Currenlty I am running 125 all auto in the current bios. I will do as mentioned and come back with more questions I have not changed a thing as when I replaced the 5000BE with the 9500 I had issues just getting to boot so once I was able to get into bios I just selected the default settings and have left everything default prety much

I will be back with more questions and hopefully once overclocked I can contribute with some feedback to help others

Appreciate the help, last question when I flashed to current 125 I used the interenet bios method , are we okay with the 228modded bios using internet flash or only via floppy, I can not even remember if windows flashing allows one to select the bios file

[gOtVoltage]

I wouldnt use the Intranet flash if my life depended on it:yepp: ...A floppy is safer than that!...What if the connection goes down in middle of flash or some wierd stufff...


I use USBstick or Floppy or Burn file to CD....But never Internetflash ,its real iffy..

[Cisco Kid]

I wouldnt use the Intranet flash if my life depended on it:yepp: ...A floppy is safer than that!...What if the connection goes down in middle of flash or some wierd stufff...


I use USBstick or Floppy or Burn file to CD....But never Internetflash ,its real iffy..

I am flashed up to the 228 bios now I just figure where I start,. I ran the tlb exe fix.

I got questions guys. Check my thumbnails out. Why does CrystalCPUID show the cpu running 11x230 = 2520 yet cpuz shows the multi at 5.5 x230 = 1265. I have the tlb patch enabled. I was in my bios I upped vcore by .037 which i plan to drop to either .012 or additional .025. I plan to lower mem timings as well to 4,4,4,12. I have mem set to ddr667 in bios I left the HTlink at 1800 in bios and ht frequency at auto in the TA770 A2+ bios. What is difference between "ganged and unganged"? Should I select a specific value for HT frequency in bios, should I select DDR800 in bios over the 667 setting. System has been priming for last 30 minutes with vcore at max of 42 with my Freezone CPU tec cooler on lowest setting

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5919/cpuzuy1.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpuzuy1.jpg)

Well update system primed for over 5hrs rock solid, today i upped fsb to 234 left everything else the same and decreased voltage to additional .025 over default. I disabled the tlb patch and cpuz still shows cpu at half speed that crystal cpuid shows. CNQ/Smart fan optio is disabled in the bios, searching around for throttling to see if there is any setting such as that as well in the TA770 bios but can not seem to find anything, anyone else got ideas?

[gOtVoltage]

Do you have AMD Phenom Driver INSTALLED? Phenom Processor driver required for propper funtion of Phenom...You need this even if not using QnQ for the Phenom too run 100%.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_15259,00.html

Keep your ram timing stock 5-5-5 with auto settings for now and use Ganged ....Make shure every thing is stable...make shure Ram is set to correct volts...

Make shure you HT link width is set to (16)
Make shure your GFX setting is set to Autononomus and (16x) i aslo set watts to 175max for stability while overclocking the Videocard.Works for all Cards...have Tested 8800GTS/GT G92/ATI3850/3870/3870x2..


When raising the FSB make shure the NB/SB volts are raised maybe two steps along with the HT volts..This also helps with stability when raising FSB...

Note:2.2HT = 1600mhzHT
.......2.0HT = 1400mhzHT

Example: When FSB raises you need to lower the NB and HT the same so the FSB dosnt raise them above 1800mhz total...You will get a better Oc..

Use NB@ 1600 and HT@2.2 when using 230/240 fsb.
Use NB@ 1400 and HT@2.0 when using 250/270fsb.

This will not hurt performance..You dont want the NB or HT to go above 1800mhz for stability reasons when raising the FSB...

For memory with the 228.tlb bios set the Ram to 400mhz it will Oc as your FSB goes up:yepp: If you havnt noticed the Dividers dont work how they should yet..

Below are afew screens so you can see how the lower NB/HT does when you raise the FSB..It shows how your memory will react as well.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/nbvolts1_3v.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/nbvoltsmod.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/270fsb2300mhz.jpg

The FSB Oc's easy when correctly done..It takes time...This Mobo has lots of potential and Biostar hasnt even released the Bios that lets us fully tweak Phenom 9500/9600/9600BE...It will be out soon ...The next one is suppose to have many 9600BE fixes...The Bios Polygon has tweaked for use is a Beta version which in no way is optimzed yet...

More too come soon....Need help Just ask:up:

[Cisco Kid]

gOtVoltage, I am starting to lose it, take a look at the screen shot. Let me see what I am missing perhaps you can help me out.

I have added the AMD Driver from link you gave me, I was unaware of this. Following each restart after modifying the settings below I have ran the tlb disable exe so phenom is running at full speed and I have tested a winrar file to confirm.

I have made these changes as you mentioned

HT Link set to 16
NB @ 1600
HT @ 2.2 with FSB @ 237
Mem Clock set to DDR 400 not 800,667, or 533

My question, I noticed the settings below can be changed but mine have always been at default

CPU DID options to change to 1,2,4,8,16 default has always been 1
CPU FID: x11 : 2200

I have also changed the GPU settings to
Autonomous Switch and 16x and upped to 175w for vcard overclocking and stability, but just help me get the incorrect cpuz speed corrected before I clock the vcard lol

I noticed in memory timings submenu (I think ) there is:
TMING MODE w options : AUTO or MAX Mem Clock or Manual

I tried manual and Max Mem Clock as well as Auto which is default they make no difference

CPUz version is 1.44.1 Feb 08 version, it still shows my multi at 5.5 and clock speed @ 1300 half what crystalcpuid and coretemp show which are showing correct clock speed of 2.6. I have also enabled and disabled the Onboard Lan Boot Rom setting and does not change this issue. I also loaded AMD Overdrive and it shows the multi at 5.5, the system is running at 11x237 why these 2 programs show the multi and clock speed being half I am stumped, it is an anomaly. I just finished priming for 2 hrs at 2.6 it is rock stable

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1496/clocksme3.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clocksme3.jpg)

[KTE]

Cisco Kid: your system is definitely oc'd to the MHz and voltage you chose, but you have CnQ enabled, only that can give you the 5.5x multi at stock.

Open AMD Power Monitor and load the system, and check if each core speed/VID fluctuates on load.

Open CrystalCPUID > MSR Editor, check MSR Number: 0xC0010070 > hit RDMSR and post the EDX/EAX values back, they'll show what CPU multi you're running.
Repeat for MSR 0xC0010062 and 0xC0010064.

gOtVoltage: great going with max HT there :up:

[gOtVoltage]

@KTE,, hopefully ill be able to tweak 2.6/2.7 ...The 9600BE clocks wierd compared to 9500/9600 it seems:D Bioses are coming along for the TA770 finally...Thanks to Polygon of coarse:up:

...Found that i can finaly change the memory divider with this bios and BE....


@Cisco Kid,, id check what KTE suggest and also ive listed some things below;) ...


VERY IMPORTANT...if you used a X2 before installing the Phenom!

Make shure you DO NOT have (DUAL CORE OPTIMIZER DRIVER) installed you know the X2 DRIVER ,,,, while running the AMD PHENOM DRIVER...


Also in add remove programs and check that only AMD PHENOM DRIVER is installed ,, not the AMD Dual Core Driver...That will 100% give you that problem if both are trying to run...Been there done that:D




NOW MEMORY TIMING and CPU MULTI SETTING..
Ok a few settings for ya to go over in Bios ...To change memory dividers...


1st,,
go into DRAM CONFIGURATER in BIOS...

set,,Timing MODE = MANUAL...


2nd,,
go into MCT memory timing...

set 1st setting to manual ...
Leave all settings below it on auto and make shure auto tweak is off..EPP enabled if you have EPP memory.

Then you can choose what divider to run 400/533/667/800...1066 dosnt work so dont use it:yepp:


Now to make shure your seting your NPTfid correct and CPUdid.....Boot your system with these settings first before enabling the BOOTLan option For TLBdisable fix...


1st,,
set the CPU Multi to stock...

CPU/NPTfid to 11x 2200mhz is (9500)

CPU/NPTfid to 11.5x 2300mhz
(9600be or 9600...)

2nd,,
DONT TOUCH (CPUDID) it stays (Freq/1..default) all the time...

Reboot your sytem and go into windows with all stock settings you should be able to see that everything will correctly read the CPU Freqency...

You should now be able to confirm your settings are correct in CPU-Z and AOD or CoreTemp ...:D


Note: remeber if your gonna raise the FSB and use NPTfid lower the NB/HT to 1600mhz for up to 230fsb and 1400mhz for up to 270fsb...

Also use a low memory divider seeing the FSB will overclock the RAM..

Example ,,

800divider = 1080mhz ram @270fsb
400divider = 270mhz ram @270fsb

Take your time ,,dont change everything at once ,,its easy to forget even when writting thing down:D

Phenom is not a,,Lets just slap on a Oc chip thing,,You gotta work for it:yepp: ..

[Cisco Kid]

Cisco Kid: your system is definitely oc'd to the MHz and voltage you chose, but you have CnQ enabled, only that can give you the 5.5x multi at stock.

Open AMD Power Monitor and load the system, and check if each core speed/VID fluctuates on load.

Open CrystalCPUID > MSR Editor, check MSR Number: 0xC0010070 > hit RDMSR and post the EDX/EAX values back, they'll show what CPU multi you're running.
Repeat for MSR 0xC0010062 and 0xC0010064.

gOtVoltage: great going with max HT there :up:

Thanks guys for the great and informative reply posts.

I did have a 5000BE chip running prior but I do not believe I had the AMD dual core optimizer installed. I have installed the Phenom driver via link you gave above gOtVoltage.

I have looked for CNQ in the bios I have not seen that setting unless I have missed it I have seen Auto fan which I have disabled whether and it always has been disabled as I am using liquid cooling.

I will d/l AMD Power Monitor to confirm and I will also check CrystalCPUID MSR Editor and post back the values.

I will also go over what gOtVoltage posted, I agree the Phenom overclock is alot harder to get where you wanna go vs my past xeon and C2Duo and 5000BE. So far though I am happy with 2.6, if I can get 2.7 bonus as long as I get good stability :) thanks for help guys and will post back later when at home....

[gOtVoltage]

@Cisco Kid,,, Look for (AMD COOL and Qiuet )and (disable it) its also called CnQ:D

Its right below CPU 200fsb setting...:D

This will allow you to use the NPTfid option .

Set Nptfid to 11x 2200mhz boot into windows and CPU-z and all other programs like AOD and Coretemp will read (11x200) 2200mhz...I think youve been overclocking with CnQ on and its confusing the other programs while reading CPU freqency..

hehee Keep us posted...Your also using the 228.TLB bios correct...

[Cisco Kid]

@Cisco Kid,,, Look for (AMD COOL and Qiuet )and (disable it) its also called CnQ


Okay, CnQ has always been disabled, when I referred to smart fan, I was referring to another submenu where you have the option of smart fan selection of 3 pin, 4 pin connection or automatic. I was asking in reference to that. I have had that disabled as well as CnQ from the time I started overclocking with my 5000BE. I also never had the dual core optimization driver ijstalled , the only driver installed is the one for the phenom you linked above

I have taken another screen shot and I am posting the values of crystalcpuid, it appears that after I hit the RDMSR tab the EDX/EAX values are the same. I installed the tlb.exe file into the same directory crystalcpuid was installed, did I miss something here because everytime I run the patch it says phenom at full speed

But currently I have everything set proper in the bios to place the chip at the indicated fsb of 240x11 = 2640 with DDR set a 800. If you look at coretemp it shows the fsb 240x2 = 480 the HT speed is correct and 480x5.5 = 2640 AMD Power Monitor shows 1100 frequency which is half the stock speed of 2200???

Did I install the tlb.exe correctly? I unpacked the exe file to the same directory that crystal cpuid was installed into and it is from there I run the tlbexe file. The weird thing is the MSR values before the patch and after the patch is run are identical??? Onboard Lan Boot is also enabled in bios and I am running the A78XA228 tlb beta bios from rebels haven site http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TA770A2+/ I do have my shat fairly together, lol

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5943/tlbtb2.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tlbtb2.jpg)

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3580/screenie1xk5.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenie1xk5.jpg)

Here is another screenshot via control panel, showing 2.64ghz . I do not want to hear a format will correct it all, lol.......
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3307/systemshowing2640tf3.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=systemshowing2640tf3.jpg)

last note, core 0 in Prime benchmark failed after 34 minutes, 1,2,3, are still going, there would be no way a core would fail (well I guess it could is it was defective) if the system was running at half speed. I only have an extra .025 vcore added over default and my freezone cpu cooler is running on nearly the lowest setting

I appreciate the help you guys have given , but where do I go from here please no reformat to star off clean.........

[gOtVoltage]

With The 228.TLB bios you should only need to (Enable BOOTLAN) to turn TLBfix OFF .
leaving the BOOTLAN DISABLED will KEEP TLB FIX ON...

Your sytem has me stumped too trust me..



Also ,, Enabled BOOTLAN..AOD will show a yellow circle around the button(telling you the TLBfix is disabled/off)...

If you run Everest or AOD bench it will show a performance gain when the TLB is off(yellow)...

FSB problem seems very wierd indeed...It almost like the CnQ never disabled but is allowing you to use the NPTfid...

Have you tried a reflash at stock settings(Optimized default) then perform the Flash?

It could very well be a buggy flash..Its happen to me before but on XP64bit..
I am now running XP32bit with same Bios ...I have not had that Multi issue and im even flashing VoltMod NBcore Bioses of that same version 228.TLB..

Try unistall the AMD Phenom Driver and reinstall it...you never know...
Ive been lookin into your problem and the only way ive been close to reproducing it was by removing AMD Phenom Driver...But then all the programs would show half clocks not just one or two..

This is what id do...
Remove and reinstall AMD Phenom Driver.....Then remove CPU-Z ,Crystal and any other monitoring programs even GPU-Z that you may have installed...Even RivaTuner...

Then id Reboot and set optimized default for bios....Then reflash the 228.tlb with stock settings ..

After the reboot go back into bios set HT link width to 16x and PCi-E settings and default memory/CPU settings and boot into windows...

Then install CPU-Z and maybe CoreTemp ,,Hopefully they will register normal...If they do proceed ,install the rest of your Monitoring programs and Crystal then raise your clocks back up....Hopefully it will work that way..

This is a Beta Bios and Ive been able to run 280fsb with out that problem and using numerouse other settings....

It verywell may have been a buggy flash...It does happen..

You should not need to reformat......That would be last resort anyhow....


Let me know what happens...

[Cisco Kid]

With The 228.TLB bios you should only need to (Enable BOOTLAN) to turn TLBfix OFF .
leaving the BOOTLAN DISABLED will KEEP TLB FIX ON...

Your sytem has me stumped too trust me..



Also ,, Enabled BOOTLAN..AOD will show a yellow circle around the button(telling you the TLBfix is disabled/off)...

If you run Everest or AOD bench it will show a performance gain when the TLB is off(yellow)...

FSB problem seems very wierd indeed...It almost like the CnQ never disabled but is allowing you to use the NPTfid...

Have you tried a reflash at stock settings(Optimized default) then perform the Flash?

It could very well be a buggy flash..Its happen to me before but on XP64bit..
I am now running XP32bit with same Bios ...I have not had that Multi issue and im even flashing VoltMod NBcore Bioses of that same version 228.TLB..

Try unistall the AMD Phenom Driver and reinstall it...you never know...
Ive been lookin into your problem and the only way ive been close to reproducing it was by removing AMD Phenom Driver...But then all the programs would show half clocks not just one or two..

This is what id do...
Remove and reinstall AMD Phenom Driver.....Then remove CPU-Z ,Crystal and any other monitoring programs even GPU-Z that you may have installed...Even RivaTuner...

Then id Reboot and set optimized default for bios....Then reflash the 228.tlb with stock settings ..

After the reboot go back into bios set HT link width to 16x and PCi-E settings and default memory/CPU settings and boot into windows...

Then install CPU-Z and maybe CoreTemp ,,Hopefully they will register normal...If they do proceed ,install the rest of your Monitoring programs and Crystal then raise your clocks back up....Hopefully it will work that way..

This is a Beta Bios and Ive been able to run 280fsb with out that problem and using numerouse other settings....

It verywell may have been a buggy flash...It does happen..

You should not need to reformat......That would be last resort anyhow....


Let me know what happens...

I am thinking exactly along what you are saying. Tommorrow, as it is beddy time for me I will remove monitoring software and the phenom driver, reboot and set stock default settings leaving onboard lan boot disabled, then I will reflash the 228 bios then enable lan boot rom and load some software to check speeds. If all seems normal I will then overclock the settings

Over and out, hope to solve this anomaly, even with 2640 stable I will be happy for the $150ca I paid for this retail chip but like you more will not hurt. hopefully future bios will unleash and correct ram ratios and produce some more performance. I just want to get this quad stable and then see if I can last a while bfore changing gear again lol

[gOtVoltage]

Also make shure the SB600 southbridge driver is installed...This also adds a ATI IDE controler in Device manager when its installed...If you dont see it in Device manager its not Installed...


http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/t-series/driver.php?S_ID=310

Download the CHIPSET driver and Extract to C:\ then install it reboot when done...

This is a reqiured driver and prevents many crashes glitches...All windows Vista/XP installs a Microsoft driver by default ..This means check device manager ...If ATI IDE controler is not there download and install it..(pertains to 770/790 chipsets)

Also use the (Marvel Driver for Lan) from Biostar..The one Microsoft has is buggy for the Marvel Lan controler...

[Loser777]

Hmm, A770 is cheapest OCing board out there... the reviews look kinda ghey, but I bet half of them f**cked up the build themselves...
Is this board gonna limit ur OC any more than another AM2+ board, besides things like 4-phase, etc...

[Star_Hunter]

I was wondering if they are going to come out with this 770 chipset paired with the SB710 at some point since I am having a hard time deciding between a board like this biostar or getting an EVGA 590 SLI due to all the issues the come from the SB600. But according to gOtVoltage most of these issues are fixed by just making sure the SB600 drivers are installed.

[gOtVoltage]

Well things are getting better with this Mobo...Waiting on the Real 9600BE Bios Biostar is working on...they said it would be ready this month over two weeks ago...So im still waiting,, well all i can say for under $80.00 makes a decent clocker so far X2 and is getting better for Phenom with each Bios...

[Loser777]

Aight, I might just go with this or the Abit AX78... Phenom 9850 will tell all...

[Cisco Kid]

@ gOtVoltage I am flat out stumped. I reset bios to stock clocks, I then removed AOD, and AMD Power Option program, I removed cpuz and crystalcpuid as well as any other benching software like everest. I left the phenom driver installed

I reflashed the 228 bios, control panel following restart confirmed stock clocks, I then restarted and overclocked to 2.61 with all previous settings and onboard lan boot rom enabled. Then installed crystalcpuid and added the tlb.exe files to same directory crystalcpuid was installed which I created. The I checked clock speed with crystalcpuid, it showed 2.61 with the tlb patch disabled using version 1.04 as I was using 1.05 before, I then launched cpuz which again showed half the clock speed and a 5.5 multi.

I then tested using winrar benchmark and it confirmed something is off, as I was getting a speed of 350kb/s not the 1200-1400 I should get at full speed. I am fully stumped and I can only see this being solved with a friggin format which really sux as I will lose game progress.... enough for tonite will come back see what you guys can suggest. By what I have posted have I installed the tlb fix correct, is there something I may have needed to edit, any screenshots needed that may help me prevent a format? I will be pissed if I format and still have the issue.....

Note I had always wondered what ATI SMbus was as I had a read x beside it in hardware control panel, I installed the chipset driver you linked to above hoping it would resolve the issue, still same problem, I am not getting the proper rate with winrar benchmark, the fix does not appear to be taking even though it says it is enabled and I am at full speed upon running the exe file. 5.5 multi still shows up with half clock speed with cpuz and core temp shows each core at 2612.xx (475.xx x 5.5) I am perplexed and enough for now

[KTE]

Cisco Kid: I just checked your ss of CoreTemps and AMD Power Monitor.. it's actually showing something very wrong as in something most likely at boot setting the 5.5x CPU multiplier and 8x NB multiplier even though your HT is high. The fact that Windows is picking up 2.64G tells me there's some big issues there. On load having 5.5x multi is not normal, only if MSRC0010070 is reading 5.5x multi would it be reading that.

There is an easy way to troubleshoot it like I mentioned in my last post. Post back the RDMSR values (press) under EDX and EAX after you type 0xC0010070 into the MSR Number field. Do this again but for 0xC0010062, 0xC0010064 and 0xC0010065. I'd like to see all the returning values please.

They'll show which multi and which P-State you're actually in.
Your system is obviously oc'd at boot but looks to be switching P-States to a 5.5x multi by a "fix" or some code execution after booting at 2.64G. So [maybe] it boots fine at the normal CPU multi but after boot changes to CnQ multi of 5.5x .. maybe by changing C0010062 to read EAX "0x00000001" instead of EAX "0x00000000".

BTW your last ss shows your system booted without the patch. ;)

Format will have nothing to do with CPU MSRs and multis, they're a BIOS/CPU thing entirely. :yepp:

[Cisco Kid]

Cisco Kid: I just checked your ss of CoreTemps and AMD Power Monitor.. it's actually showing something very wrong as in something most likely at boot setting the 5.5x CPU multiplier and 8x NB multiplier even though your HT is high. The fact that Windows is picking up 2.64G tells me there's some big issues there. On load having 5.5x multi is not normal, only if MSRC0010070 is reading 5.5x multi would it be reading that.

There is an easy way to troubleshoot it like I mentioned in my last post. Post back the RDMSR values (press) under EDX and EAX after you type 0xC0010070 into the MSR Number field. Do this again but for 0xC0010062, 0xC0010064 and 0xC0010065. I'd like to see all the returning values please.

They'll show which multi and which P-State you're actually in.
Your system is obviously oc'd at boot but looks to be switching P-States to a 5.5x multi by a "fix" or some code execution after booting at 2.64G. So [maybe] it boots fine at the normal CPU multi but after boot changes to CnQ multi of 5.5x .. maybe by changing C0010062 to read EAX "0x00000001" instead of EAX "0x00000000".

BTW your last ss shows your system booted without the patch. ;)

Format will have nothing to do with CPU MSRs and multis, they're a BIOS/CPU thing entirely. :yepp:

@ KTE

Thanks for your help I have popsted back the values, great to hear a format will not correct as I was about to just start but will leave alone till home from work later and see your feedback/suggestions/corrections. Currently system is returned to default settings for now as I had planned to format, glad to hear may be able to solve otherwise. CnQ is disabled as well as smart fan option also

RDMSR Values:
0xC0010070 > EDX 0x00000000 EAX 0x00003006
0xC0010062 > EDX 0x00000000 EAX 0x00000000
0xC0010064 > EDX 0x800001BD EAX 0x00003006
0xC0010065 > EDX 0x8000018D EAX 0x30003046

Hoping this looks to be my issue on line 2, I am unfamiliar with editing the prog, be back later

thanks:up:

[gOtVoltage]

Ok ....This is definatly wierd....

Between what KTE and me and other have said should of fixed that.......


Maybe you Could you try the 125.BST or the latest 222.BST Official Bioses....set the defaults for your Chip...It has the TLB fix enabled but ,,im pretty shure the FIX or TLBdisabled is not your problem in the 228.TLB BIOS....Almost seems CnQ is not Off/disabled in Bios or Windows when using NPTfid even though you have it set to disabled.

It should read normal values of 11x200FSB...with (CnQ on in Bios) . Once you turn CnQ (off with 125.BST or 222.BST or even 228.TLB) it should now show half clocks unless you have NPTfid set to 11x2200mhz with the 228.TLB.

Polygon at RebelsHaven is using a 9500 and same Bios....Im shure if you post in this thread http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=53;t=000463;p=49 he could give ya the much needed help...

I believe Sam2008 and Orion is using a phenom and TA770 and same Bios as well ...In all its probally something simple were all overlooking;)


NOTE:,,
Also have you tried another NPTfid instead of the 8x...
I was only able to get use of 8.5x or Higher NPTfid and using HT/NB as low as 5x = 1200mhz...

Try the 9xNPTFID with 250fsb = CPU@2250mhz use 1400mhzNB and HT 2gig = 1400mhz...this will make HT/NB 1750mhz...Use a low memory divider like 400/533..

You may have come across a MOBO bug using a certain NPTfid multi who knows...

Before trying another BIos Check the settings in the screens posted...Differance you should have will be the use of a NPTfid Multi ,,FSB ,, Memory divider,,Voltages. For the Most part everything else should remain on Auto except for things you dont use like USB's Esata and maybe the BOOTLAN(TLBfixOFF) ..

If using SATA make shure you Use the ONBOARD Sata in IDE mode...

Hope this helps ya..

DISABLE VIrtulization..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/129.jpg

DISABLE SmartT FAN

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/128.jpg

HT link width 16x....

HT 200 = 200mhz ,, HT 400 = 400mhz ,, HT 600 = 600mhz,, HT 800 = 800mhz,,

HT 1gig = 1000mhz,, HT 1.8gig = 1200mhz,, HT 2.0gig = 1400mhz,, HT 2.2gig =1600mhz,,

HT 2.4gig = 1800mhz max 2.6gig is same as 2.4gig...

Note; Raising FSB above 230 you will lower HT and NB the same from 1800mhz to say 1600mhz...and above 240fsb to say 1400mhz/1200mhz..The fsb will bring this value back up....You want to try to keep it around 1800mhz for your Oc..Mobo dosnt like below 1200MHZ with High FSB..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/127.jpg

TIMING MODE under MCT must be set to manual to allow changing the Memory Dividers 400/533/667/800works and 1066 defaults to 800mhz..Set your RAM DIVIDER lower than 800mhz before you Oc or you could max your ram if it dosnt clock well.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/124.jpg

MCT Timing i keep AUTO for first boot ..ehn go back and set to manual if you want to tighten timing...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/125.jpg

If overclocking and manualy setting the Ram Dividers make shure (AUTO TWEAK and OPTIMAL PERFORMANCE MODE EPP is OFF) It can set Timing too low and Crash the system..i prefer manual timinig anyway..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/126.jpg

CnQ must be off to access these options Below....

The 228.TLB BIOS Beta
CPU NB-fid ...

CPU DID = dont touch...keep it at 1...

CPU fid...Set value of CPU Higher or lower....
you can use this in conbination of raising FSB/CPUclock...

In the BIOS on boot it will only show what CPUNPT multi freqency your using it will not show FSB..Its Bios glitch...In windows it will show correct clocks or if you use the Memtest in Bios..

last Voltages will vary for some cpu's over others...HT volts will need to go up alittle and maybe NB/SB....its trial and error really.....


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/123.jpg

If you have any more qestions or need more screens of other Bios settings just let me know:up: ...

[Cisco Kid]

@ KTE & gOtVoltage:


Well I am gonna flash to the most recent Biostar bios. I just dropped the multi to 10x

I reduced 2.2> 2GHZ
1600>1400
fsb > 250
ram default
=2.5ghz

Core temp and cpuz still show the half multi and here is the real weird thing it is the same 5.5 not 5. Onboard lan boot rom is enabled cnq is disabled as well as smart fan option, Control panel system shows system at 2.5 crystal cpuid shows 2.5 core temp shows correct clock speed of 2.5 but beside it shows 454.58x5.5 and cpuz show half the clock speed. Take alook at the screenshot below, somethng is messed up, how does cpuz show clockspeed at 1375.1 with a multi of 5.5 and the other progs show the clock speed of 2.5

I have taken a sceenshot of tlb showing the patch is disabled correct? Why are the RDMSR values all 0's could this be where the problem lies KTE

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2728/screenmb3.th.jpg (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenmb3.jpg)

I am gonna clock to stock and then flash a different bios any suggestions, original Biostar? Their latest?

[gOtVoltage]

Try the Origanal 125.TSB....It does have the TLBfix enabled and wil be slower

I believe you can raise the FSB up to 210/220/230 using this Bios to check to see if in fact the FSB or clocks are working correct...

IE: 210x11 = 2310mhz 220x11 = 2420mhz and so forth...At least That what its suppose to be...

I do know that CnQ disabled will show 1/2 clocks in windows while using the AMD Phenom driver...Also if the AMD DRIVER NEVER INSTALLS Correctly or is corrupt it will always read incorrect clocks....

Also Do you have any program installed that changes the registers or monitors Phenom that may be conflicting in your OS...I mean anything that can access the CPU via reg/MSR...

Its like some program/driver isnt allowing CnQ to operate normal in windows..

One final thing ,,what happens if you go to a KNOW GOOD restore point before you overclocked anything? If its software or driver maybe it will fix it?...

Well i cant think of anything more...I hope something works...

Dang i just noticed that your using the TLB disable tool along with the 228.BST Bios...I thought Sam's tool worked for Vista but not XP...i wonder if its enabling something that isnt suppose too..Seeing the BIOS has its own ENABLE/Disable funtion they could be conflicting..

[gOtVoltage]

DONT Flash it yet...i just ran the MSR and its the same....Thats normal....Its something else..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/notmsr.jpg


ALSO with (CnQ ON )stock defaults have you gone into windows and uninstalled AMD PHENOM DRIVER then Reboot and Reinstall the Driver...with 228.BST bios? For some reason it looks like the AMD driver is not working....If i remove just the AMD driver on my sytem the same thing happens....

[Cisco Kid]

DONT Flash it yet...i just ran the MSR and its the same....Thats normal....Its something else..

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/notmsr.jpg

Okay so if I am on XP with SP2 and prolly 3 should I just be using the onboard lan boot enabled selection to disable the tlb patch? But I would think that you would only cause a conflict if you run the tlb patch Sam created while in windows in addition to the onboard boot lan rom being enabled


Now I think I may have found an issue, I flashed to 228 using the biostar flash utility, I have no floppy in my system and am unsure how to do via usb key. kick me 30 times in the head if using the windows based flash utility may have caused some sort of issue. I will wait for a reply, I do not want to go to 125 bios, before I do that I will install Vista business edition that I have although it is 32bit and I am waiting to go 64

I just checked his thread the tool works for XP but still looking to see if it works with 228 bios and XP

[gOtVoltage]

Also ,, i just read his thread too...:up: I wasnt shure....I would only use the LANBOOT to disable Fix when running 228.TLB or other Bios that Polygon has modded for the Fix....

Sam Polygon and me have tested the fix in and out,,with no problems...

Something is not enabling the AMD Driver i think...Its funny is that i uninstalled AMD Phenom Driver to check this very issue and that was two days ago ..I just Uninstalled/reinstalled it and it didnt install the First time.....When the Install manager loaded it disapeared...I though wow that was fast..

I checked in ADD/Remove Programs and it wasnt there...So i Ran it again and it finaly installed..It will show a AMD driver icon in ADD/Remove programs when installed...

So now i guess can you check to see if indeed its installed in ADD/Remove program..Because if it isnt there that may be your Problem....i discovered this last week when i install SP3 it removed AMD driver and a few ATI drivers when i installed it...

Hehee You didnt by chance upgrade from SP1 to SP2 did ya?
..i know but if Sp3 did to me it could Sp2 you...

Any how can ya checK for the Driver,, If its not listed in ADD/Remove reinstall it..

lastly when you press Cntrl Alt and then tap DEL for Task manager does it show 4cpu boxes? For CPU usage History..If theres only 2boxes somethings wrong with the driver or XP install..

..Also if the Flash took and your in windows it should be good..That tool downloads the Bios to the HD and then Flashes it live..If you followed everything correctly it should be alright...

For PHENOM 32bit unless you have a 9850 stick with 32bit,,64bit is still alittle buggy yet for Overclocking B2's

[Cisco Kid]

Also ,, i just read his thread too...:up: I wasnt shure....I would only use the LANBOOT to disable Fix when running 228.TLB or other Bios that Polygon has modded for the Fix....

Sam Polygon and me have tested the fix in and out,,with no problems...

Something is not enabling the AMD Driver i think...Its funny is that i uninstalled AMD Phenom Driver to check this very issue and that was two days ago ..I just Uninstalled/reinstalled it and it didnt install the First time.....When the Install manager loaded it disapeared...I though wow that was fast..

I checked in ADD/Remove Programs and it wasnt there...So i Ran it again and it finaly installed..It will show a AMD driver icon in ADD/Remove programs when installed...

So now i guess can you check to see if indeed its installed in ADD/Remove program..Because if it isnt there that may be your Problem....i discovered this last week when i install SP3 it removed AMD driver and a few ATI drivers when i installed it...

Hehee You didnt by chance upgrade from SP1 to SP2 did ya?
..i know but if Sp3 did to me it could Sp2 you...

Any how can ya checK for the Driver,, If its not listed in ADD/Remove rei