Is this even possible? Quad 8800 SLI?

[drifter]

http://cgi.ebay.com/QUAD-CORE-QUAD-SLI-%20COMPUTER_W0QQitemZ140192000247QQihZ004QQcategor yZ140075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/QUAD-CORE-QUAD-SLI-%20COMPUTER_W0QQitemZ140192000247QQihZ004QQcategor yZ140075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Sorry if i'm in the wrong thread, feel free to slap me, kick me, whatever...
so i found this link on another forum and posted my comments, but this forum seems more appropriate.
hmm... i have been tossing this idea around ever since the vista quad sli drivers were released. i see what he's trying to pull, he is trying to mimmic the 7950X2 cards and just mod the vista quad sli drivers to include the 8800s, however if he were to do that i think he would need to connect card1to card2, card3 to card 4 and card 1 to card3. since 7950x2 is essencially 2 cards glued together and connected by an internal sli bridge i see a possibility in using the 2nd sli connector on the Ultras to act as that internal sli bridge on the X2 model. so basically the driver recognises the second sli connector on the ultras as the internal connector on the x2 cards... hmm, but i have no idea how to explain the way he is using SLI connectors. anyway if the thing is for real (which is possible since quas sli drivers and technology exist) i just would expect the fourth card to be a waste since evn tri si yields very little performance gains. if only i had a fourth ultra and a 4 slot mobo i would give it a try, and naturally return the 4th ultra once i realise how silly the idea was. but i have to admit that the build looks to be of good quality, especially the WC system (zalmann reserator, a koolance exos-2, all koolance waterblocks). anyway untill i see some benches and gpu-z showing 4 gpus, i wont believe it.
edit: now i see why his bridges could be connected as they are. the data is transfered to slave GPUs via SLI bridges (as it is the case with the X2 gpus) for cards 3 and 4 and not the PCI-e slots, which just supply power. that means that GPU1 is primary (GPU3 slave1) GPU2 secondary (GPU4 slave2). hmm, i want to see some benches!
dont forget to check out the pics at the bottom of the page.
unfortunatly i do not have the hardware to test it so if any1 could that would be just awesome! those sceptical about the whole 8800Ultra quad sli idea should also consider tha possibly NV did not push it out the door not because of driver support (quad sli betas are available for 7950X2 cards so i see nothing wrong there) but because such a rig would have to be subject to a rather expensive and quiet tricky to setup watercooling which is out of reach for most people.

[3NZ0]

Paragraphs dude, paragraphs!

OFC it's possible, there are pictures of the vile looking setup however I fail to see the point in the machine.

Intel q6600 g0 + overclock = ~3.2-3.8ghz on avg which wipes the floor with the two dual cores.

Tri sli or 3 cards, is the highest number of 8800 cards you can team up for functional sli and as far as I'm aware, this only works on intel 680/780i boards.
So the last 2 8800's must just be there for the hell of it.

Those 4 raptors to waste being attached to the nvidia boards sata controller.

For that amount of money I think just about everyone on this site could build a machine 10x better looking, value and speed.

In summary, this machine is a total joke, something only a true moron would even consider wasting their money on. :down:

[drifter]

i just don't get it then, why sell a machine that does not work and costs big buxxx?

[RaZz!]

Paragraphs dude, paragraphs!

lol, i was about to write the same. :D

[naokaji]

In summary, this machine is a total joke, something only a true moron would even consider wasting their money on. :down:

koolance watercooling, 2x Amd Fx74 Cpu's... nough said....

i dont think that board support quad sli..

besides.. if quad sli ever sees the light of the day, certain people around here will bench it long before a system with functional quad sli appears on ebay, so i heavily doubt that machine on ebay is more than a scam.

[drifter]

yeah, i kinda realise that only a total looser would buy a new pc with amd QuadFX processors now, mobo 400, proc 500, :banana::banana::banana::banana: performance- worthless...:p: but still, this is the only board with 4 slots and sli support.

[MuffinFlavored]

In summary, this machine is a total joke, something only a true moron would even consider wasting their money on. :down:

AMD, 'nough said.

[FUGGER]

The bridges dont look complete and there is no compare link. The bridges look to be in a dual sli config.

I am running 3-way sli and I do have the option to go to a four gpu conifg.

Bridge wise, the 3 way bridge is needed so quad is a bit unknown.

[zanzabar]

its a skull trail engineering sample thats why its duel processor and quad sli

[drifter]

i also have a tri sli machine and when i saw the 4 way afr i kinda started thinking that there would be nothing wrong with running 4 ultras if the driver recognizes the second sli connector as the internal connector on X2 cards. i am running my tri sli setup the "ghetto method", i.e. using 3 ordinary sli bridges, so i see nothing wrong with setting up a similar config for quad sli, given that the driver is properly configured.

[lazy]

its a skull trail engineering sample thats why its duel processor and quad sli

skull trail?? with AMD processors?

[hstuehmeyer2000]

if you look in the pic there is one bridge that connects card 1-2 and another that connects card 3-4. so idk, might be real, lol

[drifter]

it's the asus L1N64 mobo which is nvidia 680a design (i.e. 2 570 chipsets glued together, very expensive and buggy mobo), but it's the only 1 available with support (in theory) for 4 nv cards in sli. soon msi or gigabyte will be releasing a 780i based mobo with 4 PCI-e slots as well, and lets not forget the famous skulltrail mobo which via an nForce MCP should support SLI, and has 4 slots as well.
i am starting to think that intel just wants to flex it's musscles and show off a quad gpu, dual socket uber rig on the skulltrail release.

[MGreg]

For that price, I would be expecting to see skulltrail lol

[MuffinFlavored]

http://i21.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/cd/79/2a9a_12.JPG

This seller has 100% positive reviews from 68 buyers.
Quad-SLI on a dual-AMD board.
Just doesn't add up.

Guranteed 3DMark06 scores?

[grimREEFER]

3.2mhz amd cpu?
no match for a 2400mhz intel quad core lol.

[KTE]

LOL! 800W for that system, he must be dreaming. :lol:

EDIT: and 1100W in the description. Already two anomalies. Quad FX with two GTX hits near 1kW max. That'll top the boundary by far especially with the drives.

[thenrz]

This seller has 100% positive reviews from 68 buyers.


Only 52 have left feedback...I'm very curious to see what these PCs get in terms of feedback in a few weeks. The Raptors are nice, but for almost 8 grand, where the SSD boot drive? Will 1200W be a large enough power supply? Honestly, 4 power-hungry gfx cards, two CPUs, multiple hard drives...

That liquid cooling system won't cut it at an enthusiast level...if I were to build a system of that magnitude, I'd have an Iwaki running the show with a couple of custom waterblocks...

[fireice2]

Looks like he'll get one negative review from the poor guy who'll buy the rig thinking it will run quad SLI. :D

[WRC]

c'mon now a toyota yaris is priced at around $12K brand new, i wanna see the moron who will fall for this

[vardan33]

He is also selling another one with quad sli but with 4 8800gt's idk but maybe he is on to something.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140193277516&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT&refitem=140192000247&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

Item number: 140193277516

[heydo6]

i would like to see that rig get 25,000 in 3d06 , maybe in 3d05 !!!

[7499richard]

someone already bought it!!!!

holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: what a waste, lets see some benchmarks with it

[7499richard]

lol I love this big writing

"YOU MUST HAVE SOME KNOWLAGE OF COMPUTERS OR KNOW SOMEONE THAT DOES. "

he should get some KNOWLAGE on how to spell KNOWLEDGE

lol

[7499richard]

Only 52 have left feedback...I'm very curious to see what these PCs get in terms of feedback in a few weeks. The Raptors are nice, but for almost 8 grand, where the SSD boot drive? Will 1200W be a large enough power supply? Honestly, 4 power-hungry gfx cards, two CPUs, multiple hard drives...

That liquid cooling system won't cut it at an enthusiast level...if I were to build a system of that magnitude, I'd have an Iwaki running the show with a couple of custom waterblocks...

I agree totally, that cooling is garbage. That system is a big waste, if someone gave it to me all I would keep would be the vid cards and the case, the rest is garbage.

[carholmes]

I am totally surprised no one saw this, you can see in MuffinFlavored post he only uses two SLI connectors. If anyone saw the "ghetto" version of a tri SLI connector its basically three SLI connectors. In Tri SLI each card has to be connected to the other two cards. This guy would have use 6 connectors so every card would be connected.
So there is absolutely no way this is really quad SLI.
But to me it looks like he has duel SLI or like two SLIed cards for one display and the other two cards for the other display.

[drifter]

like i said in the first post, i tend to believe he is mimmickng the 7950X2 cards and then the SLI connectors are totally in place. in that case data between GPU1 (primary) & 2(secondary) is transfered via pci-e bus, and via sli bridge to GPU3(slave1) and GPU2 (slave2). and the reason he is asking for some knowledge of pc's i believe is that you have to mod the Nvidia quad sli driver with every new release (mod to see 8800 ultra as a dual gpu card).
don't get me wrong, i do not believe this myself yet, so i'm just guessing.
edit: this is what the guy is saying on his e-bay page about the rig:
IF YOU WOULD LIKE A LESSON IN QUAD SLI WE INVITE YOU TO CALL US INSTEAD OF WRITING ABOUT US BEHIND OUR BACKS IN ALL THE FORUMS!!!!

WE ARE FOR REAL AND SO ARE OUR PRODUCTS.

"IF YOU SEEK KNOWLAGE THEN YOU WILL KNOW"

[Brian MP5T]

F-ing Stupid IMO

[awdrifter]

If no one can do it here on XS, it's probably fake.

[drifter]

here are the links to the old quad sli and some explanation how it functions:
htthttp://www.mvktech.net/content/view/3198/48/1/2/p://
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/05/01/quad_sli_geforce_7900_gx2/4

to summ up, in both generations of the X2 cards an internal PCIe switch via which they are interconnected. and the older generation (7900X2)cards also have an internal SLI bridge. so in theory the gpus could be interconnected via pcie slots (gpu1 to GPU2, GPU3 to GPU4, GPU1 to GPU3) and additionally, as i earlier described, via pcie slots (like the 7900X2 cards).
and since the guy put up a Quad 8800 gt rig, i believe he is using 2 long flexible sli bridges to connect GPU1 to 3 and 2 to 4 (you'd have to twist the sli bridge though), and the rest of the daata is transfered via PCIe bus. (so in this case that would be like mimmicking the behaviour of the newer 7950X2 cards which do not have an internal sli bridge to connect GPU 1 to 2, and 3 to 4)

all this is pure speculation, but so far noone has not proven it wrong a 100%, so so far i'm curious...

[[XC] Kayin]

I got a C2D Quad SLi board (P6N Diamond)...

[drifter]

hmm, that spacing would even allow to stick 4 ultras with stock coolers. now i wonder if there is something particular to the 680a (because unlike 680i boards it uses 2 570i chips) which made this ebay vendor go for an obsolete piece of hardware? i see the 680a mobo has 4 slots running x16,x8,X16,X8, and the msi mobo u'retalking bout has all 4 at x8 (if 4 gpu's are used).... ideas anyone?
edit: i read on the vendors site that the tech is only available to 680a mobo owners at the moment (and for all 8 series gpus apparently) cause it uses 2 chipsets on 1 mobo(confirms what i said earlier, but i'm still not sure how it all works).

http://www.custombuiltgamingpcs.com the side of the vendor

[[XC] Kayin]

Not only 680a, but this 680i as well...

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=6&id=2325

With dual northbridges instead of northbridge/southbridge, it's got the support for 4xSLi. I gave it to the kids though, I hate nVidia pretty much now...

[drifter]

on one other forum i got a forum member to kindly volonteer (cause he has the dual socket amd setup and 2 8800 Gt cards, he'll be getting the other 2 from a friend) and test this. he called the vendor and he agreed to guide him through the whole tweaking process (free of charge btw). so if this works out i'll post a link to the results :)

[msimax]

any updates?

[happychappy]

any updates?

Come on, we all know what the outcome will be..

[msimax]

and thats..........

[Zytek_Fan]

There is one respectable build this guy did:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140195814170&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr3_PcY_BIN_IT&refitem=140193277516&itemcount=3&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

Except for him using 7 Thermaltake Thunderblades that's gotta be one loud SOB.

[firas]

so when skulltrail will be released? Is it just a mobo that can do 2 CPU’s & 4 GPU’s?

[Dr.FuzzyBallz]

THAT be sweet.

[johnny m]

Here is somthing interesting. Checked it out with Asus too. Seems for real.



QUAD-SLI EXPLAINED CORRECTLY


You might want to add this to ALL the forums that won’t let us post to it.



1. There are two...two...north bridges on the L1n64-WS motherboard allowing for communication between the two sets of bridged sli controllers. Enabling the sli controller is done in a NON STANDARD method and that I believe is why all the computer forum community people don’t believe it.



OK, HERE YOU GO,

I GUESS THE SECRETE MUST BE LET OUT

...AND BELIEVE ME IT IS A DARN SECRETE.



First you install all four cards to the ASUS L1n-64 motherboard that supports two Northbridge’s



Second you install the drivers for the 2 680a chipsets, that is were the sli controllers are located in case all you computer techs don’t know this.



Third you will see all four cards show up in the device manager



But in Ntunes were you enable the sli controller it does not appear to be there to enable.



Ah... now for the secrete...first i hope you all know once you enable the sli controller it stays enabled until you disable it!



Now simply disable two of the video cards from device manager...not uninstall. Disable.



Reboot



after rebooting when you go to Ntunes to enable the sli controller its there to enable.



Enable Sli



Reboot again



Now the controller for both chipsets has been enabled and you are are in sli with both chipsets



It's the two northbridges working together that allows all four cards to work as one



Go to the device manager and enable the other two cards



reboot again



when the computer boots up you will see all four card with no flags in the device manager,



reboot again and....poof quad sli



This is a non standard method of enabling the sli controller for quad but does give you Quad-Sli ...4 video cards working as one, and not just simply checking a box that says enable sli. this is why all you noobies for a better word don’t believe this.



Of course now with the release of the 169 NVIDIA drivers there is no need to go back into the device manager to enable the second and third card after enabling the sli controller, its all ready done after the reboot. and quad-sli is supported WITH VISTA with these drivers also.



If anyone would like to question us on this feel free to call us toll free

@

1-866-779-2273



If you question the Whole procedure I suggest you call...



BRIAN AT ASUS 1-812-282-2787 ext 5125.

he is one of the engineers who worked on this project

when the L1n64 board was in its prototype stages.



Now you ask yourself...self, why doesn’t NVIDIA sell Quad sli? Ok the answer...marketing 101...why give the people Quad sli when you can milk them for millions with tri sli first.





Owner, Custom Built Gaming Pcs

[Zytek_Fan]

Quad SLI isn't supported yet on the driver level.

And you're spamming/advertising, a violation of forum rule #4:
4. We do not permit advertising of any kind.
This includes offering items for sale or trade (other than in the Classifieds). Posting to your homepage, an eBay URL, a URL to another site, or announcements of new sites. This applies equally to commercial and private sites/ads. This is also not to happen within user signatures. Links to deals available online are to be posted only in Online Deals & Sales. The only allowed links in a signature will be links directly related to XtremeSystems, Xtreme D2OL, Xtreme Folding@Home and XtremeSystems affiliated website or organization. If you wish to link to your site, you may do so in your usercp which links in every post you make.

[fragmasterMax]

two socket cpu's will never go mainstream (i see bone trail hitting the dust just like amd's 4x4 but maybe not as hard)

[johnny m]

I'm not advertising anything. thats just what i found searching information on quadsli. What do you mean drivers don't support quadsli? If the drivers out now support three cards why would they not support 4 cards?

[FUGGER]

Johnny, might I suggest a spelling checker to get a more "professional" look or use firefox, it underlines misspelled words as you type.

Some of us are aware of quad SLI on Nforce boards, some are not. Be happy people are talking about it.

Amuse us with a link the 2K6 score please.

[johnny m]

Johnny, might I suggest a spelling checker to get a more "professional" look or use firefox, it underlines misspelled words as you type.

Some of us are aware of quad SLI on Nforce boards, some are not. Be happy people are talking about it.

Amuse us with a link the 2K6 score please.

From our test results, you can take the hole AMD project and dump it in the trash. The only good thing we can find that AMD-ATI did was come out with the ATI 3870's, It's the only thing holding them above water

[johnny m]

This post is to the owner of this site, Fugger.

We have our next project set for breaking the 3DMark 06 world record. I believe your intelligent, open minded, have great incite, and a well rounded computer enthusiast. I would love to run our plan by your to see what your opinion is on the way we are going to run our next bench project.

Submersed platform in 3M Dielectric solution HFE-7100 or would you go with HFE-7200.
We would like to go with tri sli for no world record has ever been set with Nvidia video cards

[FUGGER]

Taking the world record is not as easy as it sounds.

SkullTrail also has two nv100 bridges for quad sli operation. Once SLI is enabled you get the options for 3 and 4 way rendering.

2K6 score?

[johnny m]

what 2k6 score?

[johnny m]

I know about the SkullTrail platform, but we have reached scores of over 24,587 with the 780i platform with just the processor chilled with phase cooling and regular GTX's. We figure if we can get the hole platform, north, south, voltage regulators, and video gpu's all under -20c this should work. with the video cards well under -20c there should be no limit to how far they will go

[UrbanSmooth]

Dude, I've got to see Crysis benchmarks and framerates with this setup!

[FUGGER]

what 2k6 score?

3DMARK-06 SCORE 25,748

I wanted to see an 06 score with quad sli.

[TheGoat Eater]

2K6 score?

what 2k6 score?

-snickers to self-:shakes: :shrug: ... so much for reading into a statement:cool:





And you're spamming/advertising, a violation of forum rule #4:

One would think that by giving out contact info ... but on the other hand he didn't jump into the thread until quite a bit in...

[Penguin463]

hah, I would LOVE to see you beat the WR in 2k06

[johnny m]

Well, congrats Fugger on your record! Tell me, Why did you guys go Ln2? I am assume it was just the peocessor and the two video card Gpu's right? We are starting our project of total submersion with 3M-HFE 7100 solution and will have a total system cooling well below -40,-50c. Do you think this will give us a great gain in a total system overclock vs only Cpu's and Gpu's

[johnny m]

Oh, by the way everyone ... let the quad sli go it's old technology at this point. That was Sept.2007 news it's now 08 if you haven't noticed

[FUGGER]

LN2 for the win. 2 GPU's used on 2006.

Submersion is messy with little to no gain. You need high flow refrigerants directly to the core, the rest of the board doesnt matter that much and can be cooled with a fan.

[dinos22]

johnny it is a lot more difficult to break W.R.s than you think

i would be surprised if the system runs at those temps fully submerged but it will be interesting to see it all in action

you have to realise that you have to have the CPU/GPU clocks high enough which affect '06 more than anything else.....you will not really gain much from submerging the whole system and Ln2 will give you an edge cooling the CPUs to reach 5.8/5.9Ghz and cards to do 1GHz+ cores on ultras

you may benefit in RAM OCing if you submerge the GFX cards but really you need LN2 for CPU and GPU cores

[Virous]

I LOL'd IRL at that thing.

[SamHughe]

Johnny_m we're still waiting for a link to your legit 2K6 score w/ QSLI. Fugger asked you maybe 3 times to post your score and everytime you avoided it. Let me also add that you have some nerve coming to xtreme systems and calling people noobs. I suggest you browse the forums before making statements like that.

[johnny m]

hello, Fugger.
I am sure you are aware of the owner "Oliver" from 3dmark as we being your one of the best overclockers in the world. You must also be aware that 3Dmark 06 does not even reconize the platform of the L1n64. After our success with the quad sli we talked with Oliver about how we acually rate our score. As you should already know you take you score and multiply it by a % to get a 80% accuate score. In the future with the newer version of 3Dmark software will be able to reconize such systems as the L1n64 along with skulltrail

[johnny m]

johnny it is a lot more difficult to break W.R.s than you think

i would be surprised if the system runs at those temps fully submerged but it will be interesting to see it all in action

you have to realise that you have to have the CPU/GPU clocks high enough which affect '06 more than anything else.....you will not really gain much from submerging the whole system and Ln2 will give you an edge cooling the CPUs to reach 5.8/5.9Ghz and cards to do 1GHz+ cores on ultras

you may benefit in RAM OCing if you submerge the GFX cards but really you need LN2 for CPU and GPU cores

So why not chill the intire systen to -150c. Our cooling and thermal engineer tells us this can be achived.

[FUGGER]

Caps on the motherboard freeze and you are dead in the water.

[Vapor]

And the CPUs and GPUs will still get plenty hot without either: lots of fluid movement over them or large masses of temp controlled copper.

Any benchmark scores? 3D03 will probably show QSLI the best. Of course, 3D06 would be great too, but anything at this point is a plus.

[johnny m]

I've dropped out of the quad sli race. It's not worth the abuse from everyone..... But would love to have anyone who knows a great deal about the submersion platform projects we are going to proceed with to give us any advise.
We figured on using custom made plate evaporators for all the processors,Cpu,Gpus. this will allow us to achieve temps were ever we want to be depending on the refrigerent and compresser we use. any recomendatons of target temps for these processors,...Cpu, Gpu's

[Ugly n Grey]

There are a number of old threads in here concerning projects people have undertaken on submersion and the xtreme overclocking areas carry a lot (did I say a lot) of detail in their threads especially some of the world record threads. You can spend days just reading and learning in one forum here.

Posts with thoughts and proposed designs showing thinking and effort elicit real responses and advice/thoughts from "those who know". So a good post with objectives and initial design concepts in a new thread might at least get you started.

Cheers
UnG

[johnny m]

Hey thank you for the insite! I do know that it is not easy to grab a world record...but most of it is having the funds to fund such projects. ( ours happen to be unlimmited ) So we will read, we will listen, and we will try, for you all have great experience.

[johnny m]

I'm am not a huge forum person if anyone and don't navigate well. Could anyone help us out with a link or something to old threads about the submersion platforms. we would be thankful

[johnny m]

Fugger what would be lowest temps for the caps with out disrupted performance??