Better of 2 Rads...?

[Naja002]

Swiftech MCR220-QP

Or

Black Ice Pro II

Both of these rads should fit my current project.

Is one any better than the other for a low noise setup?

[Boogerlad]

the swiftech one is better

[KaptCrunch]

HW Labs Black Ice Pro II: High-density louvered copper fin configuration for enhanced heat dissipation need lots of cfm, so noise is loud


MCR220-QP Res: better with res option for bleeding easyier an less dense fins for less cfm so its quite

[NaeKuh]

HW Labs Black Ice Pro II: High-density louvered copper fin configuration for enhanced heat dissipation need lots of cfm, so noise is loud


MCR220-QP Res: better with res option for bleeding easyier an less dense fins for less cfm so its quite

big difference ...

the HWLab, allows you to mount sideways.

The Swiftech with RES, you'll run into bleeding problems sideways.

[Martinm210]

The seem pretty close per this review site:

http://72.14.203.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=fr%7Cen&u=http://www.cooling-masters.com/articles-38-0.html

[Naja002]

Thanx for the input guys. However, I guess I'm a bit more confused than when I posted.......:p:

I am/was going by the sticky here at XS:

Guide To Current WaterCooling Components (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75873)

The sticky date is 2 yrs ago, but I don't know how up to date the info is....:confused:


HW Labs Black Ice Pro II: High-density louvered copper fin configuration for enhanced heat dissipation need lots of cfm, so noise is loud


The sticky lists the "HWLabs Black Ice Pro" under "Low Noise".....is that just out of date? Its just the "Pro", not the Xtreme, GT, GTS, etc.....



MCR220-QP Res: better with res option for bleeding easyier an less dense fins for less cfm so its quite

"Bleed Option"? What is that? Seriously....

I can rock the case and turn it any way I want, but not sure how much that matters.....


big difference ...

the HWLab, allows you to mount sideways.

The Swiftech with RES, you'll run into bleeding problems sideways.

I need to mount it sideways (lying down on the thin side), so I need to know how much of an issue this really is with the Swifty.....?


The seem pretty close per this review site:

http://72.14.203.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=fr%7Cen&u=http://www.cooling-masters.com/articles-38-0.html

Thanx, I will sift through that tomorrow and see what I can get out of it.....:up:


Any Guidance? The TC is way too long and probably a bit too thick, so that's out. The Swifty will fit--with possibly a very minor mod. The BI will fit--NP. I don't mind some noise--but don't want it to sound like an airport! If I can get a low(er) noise rad--that would be Great. :up:

Help!

[smee]

Why get the swify with the res, just get the one without (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2172/ex-rad-72/Swiftech_MCR220_Quiet_Power_Dual_120mm_Radiator_-_BLACK.html).

[Nate P.]

I agree with Smee, the Swiftech MCR-220 is an awesome rad.

[Waterlogged]

Thanx for the input guys. However, I guess I'm a bit more confused than when I posted.......:p:

With the responses you've gotten, I'm not surprised. Only the first 2 posts actually touch on your question and one of them has wrong info. Somewhere along the line, ppl started thinking you were looking at the BI GTS series vs the new rad/res combo from Swiftech.

I am/was going by the sticky here at XS:

Guide To Current WaterCooling Components (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75873)

The sticky date is 2 yrs ago, but I don't know how up to date the info is....:confused:

It seems fairly up to date but it's certainly not listed in the order of actual performance. It should also be organized/labeled better as there are out of dated CPU blocks topping the list and I had to do a double take to make sure what I was looking at, a newb's not going to know any better and may come to a wrong conclusion about which block is the best, if they're not careful.


"Bleed Option"? What is that? Seriously....

I can rock the case and turn it any way I want, but not sure how much that matters.....




I need to mount it sideways (lying down on the thin side), so I need to know how much of an issue this really is with the Swifty.....?

I'm guessing your talking about this (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=3653) rad and NOT this. (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200&products_id=22814) If that's the case, it doesn't matter at all. The rad with the res built in would be a problem on it's side, as you can't get all the air out (unless you use a t-line, which would defeat the purpose of having the res/rad) and it would suck air into the loop on a regular basis.


Thanx, I will sift through that tomorrow and see what I can get out of it.....:up:


Any Guidance? The TC is way too long and probably a bit too thick, so that's out. The Swifty will fit--with possibly a very minor mod. The BI will fit--NP. I don't mind some noise--but don't want it to sound like an airport! If I can get a low(er) noise rad--that would be Great. :up:

Help!

I have a GTS and it sits around in a tote of spare/worthless parts. There are more reviews and ppl that have used it first hand that say it's a bad rad than those that say it's a good rad. It's uber restrictive for both the air and water and I just don't see mine getting used unless a pump with the size and power requirements of the DDC with at least twice to performance of the DDC comes out.

As for your OP, Swiftech is just a bit better than a BIP.

[systemviper]

Swiftech res #1 for cost/quality/noise :up:

[Naja002]

Cool. Thanx Everybody. And a special Thanx to You, Waterlogged for the thought-filled, in depth response! :up:

Everything seems to be pointing me to the Swifty, so right now that's my intent. Because of the size question--I'll have to wait until the case gets here to take an actual measurement myself and see how it will play out. But from what I understand it will fit.

2 Final questions(-I hope!):

Is there any problem with putting a light coat of paint on the rad to change the color?

Is this Swifty (http://www.crazypc.com/products/9314BK.html) any different or is it just ~$18 cheaper then most other vendors? Am I missing something?

Again--Many Thanx! :up:

[Scubar]

can you turn the normal swiftech MCR220 radiator upside down so that the barbs are at the bottom ? I wasnt sure because it mentions the Plenium chamber.

[Waterlogged]

Cool. Thanx Everybody. And a special Thanx to You, Waterlogged for the thought-filled, in depth response! :up:

Everything seems to be pointing me to the Swifty, so right now that's my intent. Because of the size question--I'll have to wait until the case gets here to take an actual measurement myself and see how it will play out. But from what I understand it will fit.

2 Final questions(-I hope!):

Is there any problem with putting a light coat of paint on the rad to change the color?

Is this Swifty (http://www.crazypc.com/products/9314BK.html) any different or is it just ~$18 cheaper then most other vendors? Am I missing something?

Again--Many Thanx! :up:

Where are you looking that has it costing $18 more?

I looked @ P-PCs ($49.99), FCPU($49.99), Petra's ($44.99), Jab-tech($39.95), Sidewinder($39.95)but it's OOS.

As for painting, yes you can, just don't paint the fins to heavily and don't get paint inside, between the fins. This is extra cooling power that you can quickly lose and will affect temps.


Scubar, yes you can but it will take a little longer to bleed if you don't flip the case around. The "plenum's" were designed to direct any air in the rad towards the fittings. With the rad in any position other than plenum up, the water has to fight the air in order to get it out of the rad, though it is to a much lesser degree when the rad on it's side than when upside down.

[Scubar]

Im guessing that its not a problem on the MCR220 QP Res, im hoping that the MCR220 QP Res wont stick out above the top of the Thermaltake Mozart if i mounted them on. Ill either have to wait and do some measurements or hopefully someone with the Mozart TX could do them for me as there is a diagram with all the specifications of the QP Res on Swiftechs website.

[freqy]

why have a little rad thing with a fan making noise when you could buy a large tub and use it as a silent rad? one bloke is using a swimming pool.. a little extream but makes the point. i'm thinking ... a tub 2 meters tall 1 meter diameter? that'll stay cool easy.. and totally silent. sorry if this has been mentioned already.

[lowfat]

why have a little rad thing with a fan making noise when you could buy a large tub and use it as a silent rad? one bloke is using a swimming pool.. a little extream but makes the point. i'm thinking ... a tub 2 meters tall 1 meter diameter? that'll stay cool easy.. and totally silent. sorry if this has been mentioned already.

because it is ugly and very impractical.

[freqy]

o.k why not get some tropical fish and heat their tank with the heat taken from the pc? nice warm happy fish in thier tank (with back up heater for when pc goes off), attractive ,very practical, efficient and silent and far more effective and attractive than a little rad thingy with noisy fan .

[Kbofwy]

o.k why not get some tropical fish and heat their tank with the heat taken from the pc? nice warm happy fish in thier tank (with back up heater for when pc goes off), attractive ,very practical, efficient and silent and far more effective and attractive than a little rad thingy with noisy fan .

Fish poop in the water blocks? I'd sure hate to clean those every couple days.

[Naja002]

Where are you looking that has it costing $18 more?

I looked @ P-PCs ($49.99), FCPU($49.99), Petra's ($44.99), Jab-tech($39.95), Sidewinder($39.95)but it's OOS.

As for painting, yes you can, just don't paint the fins to heavily and don't get paint inside, between the fins. This is extra cooling power that you can quickly lose and will affect temps.

CrazyPC has them for $41.99. That's what I was going by. I have not searched prices mainly because I wasn't sure which one, and I knew it would end up being the last item purchased. Going from memory, the Swifty's were going for $49.99, so CrazyPC seemed noticeably cheaper.

As a side note, I have orders in at about 5-6 different places--including P-PCs, Sidewinder and CrazyPC. I think I have purchased from all of them before with no complaints (been a while). But I ordered from CrazyPC and Sidewinder within hrs of each other on xmas eve--CrazyPC was shipped on the 26th and is here. Sidewinder wasn't shipped until the 27th--and won't be here until next week. Same with P-PCs. No complaints, but for $2 more--CrazyPC will probably get my rad order. :yepp:

Again, WL, Thanx for the thought filled post. I'm not sure whether I will paint the rad or not. Too many other things to sort out/deal with. But if so--I'll keep it light. :up:


There was a post--I believe it was here at XS--about dividing a fish tank and using one half for fish and the other for WCing. Wouldn't be hard to do at all. But it would kinda mess up the "portability" factor for me though.....:D