24" monitor decisions

[ibiris]

I decided to do a bit of hunting on the internet for a larger monitor to replace my 19" non-widescreen Hyundai L90D+. Not knowing a great deal about recent models, I spent some time reading reviews and opinions in threads on various motherboards.
The Hyundai has never caused me any problems and I have no complaint with it. This doesn't mean to say that there arn't problems such as backlight bleeding and ghosting - it's just that I have never noticed or haven't looked for it.

In short... I decided that the Dell 2407WFP-HC was the model for me. It all sounded good, ultrasharp and with the fancy High Colour bit - not to mention integrated usb ports and a card reader. All the reviews made it out to be very good and it seemed to perform well in all aspects (gaming, web browsing, video watching etc... which is what I need it for).
Unfortunately, I ended up stumbling upon a thread on the Dell forums which has shown that a great deal of people have found terrible ghosting on the display (which can be seen on this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRCxlf0njk). It's so bad in fact that Dell have allowed people to return the screens for a full refund - and they don't seem to be selling it from the Dell website anymore.

My hunt went on and I heard good things about the E248WFP... but unfortunately that isn't an ultrasharp monitor. Plus, altho not essential, it only has DVI&VGA inputs and no integrated card reader or usb hub.

I am now stuck as to what decision to make. I don't want to splash out on the 2407WFP-HC and then be disappointed by terrible ghosting. But at the same time I don't want to purchase an inadequate monitor.

A decision on what I do isn't urgent as I'll have to wait until the 5th of Jan when I go back home to measure the space it will be going in. If it's too small i'll be back to square one anyway... but i'd like to get an idea of what I want before hand.

Any recommendations or advice would be much appreciated - either for one of these displays or a completely different one. One thing I don't want from it is speakers, as I don't need them. And the only essential is a DVI input - card readers or usb ports are only a bonus.

I'm wondering how much I would notice the ghosting on the 2407, because if others have noticed any on the L90D+ and I haven't, then will it be that much of an issue for me?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Any opinions on the Hyundai W241D-PVA would be good - i've decided to throw that spanner in the works!! ;-)

[Lev]

you probably will ignore this post, but heres my suggestion

ghosting is only really going to piss you off in gaming, so what areyou going to use this monitor for? this ghosting isnt that bad so you can always comfortably get this monitor and then get a sub $50 CRT off craiglist like i did

i use my 22" for watching movies and stuff, and my crt for gaming, the difference for gaming is incredible on a crt at 100hz, i used to always do fine in gaming because i was used to the ghosting and could time when to pull the trigger, but that only works in css, not in fast paced shooters like ut3 or q3 where youre constantly jerking the mouse around

edit: its all up to you whether you can settle on gaming on a 21" screen..

[XS Janus]

I'm in the same boat.
Is there some model with a built in tv tuner? (DVB-T even)

[Soulburner]

Best 24" LCD's:

BenQ FP241W
LG L245/L246 (same monitor)
ViewSonic VX2435WM
HP LP2465

In no particular order - each have their own strengths and weaknesses, research them.

[blueturq]

Best 24" LCD's:

BenQ FP241W
LG L245/L246 (same monitor)
ViewSonic VX2435WM
HP LP2465

In no particular order - each have their own strengths and weaknesses, research them.

Based on the above LCDs:

http://www.hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78

[brightwindow]

BenQ FP241W is quite good, I remembered to have read some good reviews for it.

[Northwood]

loving my 24" samsung atm.

[Brahmzy]

loving my 24" samsung atm.

Me too - love this 245BW - fastest 24 incher out there with virtually NO input lag. And it looks beautiful. Don't understand why people complain about the viewing angle and resort to much slower monitors that have TONs of input lag. Don't get it.

[Soulburner]

Me too - love this 245BW - fastest 24 incher out there with virtually NO input lag. And it looks beautiful. Don't understand why people complain about the viewing angle and resort to much slower monitors that have TONs of input lag. Don't get it.
Because there are 24 inch monitors with no noticeable input lag, that have much better color and viewing angles?

[Brahmzy]

Because there are 24 inch monitors with no noticeable input lag, that have much better color and viewing angles?

With friggin' DOG slow response times. No thanks to the smearing mess. I seen most of the current 24 inchers in action. If you don't notice ghosting, more power to you. I notice the hell out of it, which forces me into a TN panel. And to be honest I love it. I think the colors and viewing angles are fine.

[Martijn]

With friggin' DOG slow response times. No thanks to the smearing mess. I seen most of the current 24 inchers in action. If you don't notice ghosting, more power to you. I notice the hell out of it, which forces me into a TN panel. And to be honest I love it. I think the colors and viewing angles are fine.

I have got the 245B as well, but got it due to financial reasons. It was one of the cheapest 24" LCDs out here.

I have got to agree with you on the colour, but the viewing angle of the 245BW is horrific. You really have to sit right in front of it. Horizontal is not too bad, but the vertical viewing angle is worse than on my 5 year old 15" LCDs.

If you have the money, I'd save up for the Dell. The dad has got one @ work and it has got a pretty good response as well. The colours/viewing angle are so much better than the Samsung. Just my opinion.

[Soulburner]

With friggin' DOG slow response times. No thanks to the smearing mess. I seen most of the current 24 inchers in action. If you don't notice ghosting, more power to you. I notice the hell out of it, which forces me into a TN panel. And to be honest I love it. I think the colors and viewing angles are fine.
Do you have experience with the FP241W or LG245/246?

[blargman]

I love my LG. cost 600$ when i bought it, but it's a great lcd. I'd like 2 or 3 more. ;)
never noticed any ghosting at all in any games I've played. cod4/crysis/C&C3/bioshock

[Northwood]

I guess the Samsung is good for me because i sit close to it (space constraints) i play games too damn much (no ghosting !) and i've never had a proper good monitor before so i don't know about better colours lol, ignorance is bliss eh? ;)

[angel_dust]

I also read about the problems with ghosting on the 2407wfp-hc, but decided it was worth taking the chance. I have now had the panel for 2 weeks and I must admit I can't see any ghosting what so ever on the desktop or in gaming. Maybe I'm just not as sensitive to it as others.

[Kunaak]

I have a Samsun 245bw here today, and I got it yesterday.

its a rather nice monitor from appearances, but in actual use its very very touchy.

the viewing angle is so slim, that if I lean back in my chair, the entire screen goes dimm.
same thing if you move your head to the left or right.

I knew it wasnt a high end 24 when I got it, but I expected better then this.
this is the monitor you get, if size is all that matters to you.

it looks fine, if you view it straight on, and rarely move.
but even a small adjustment, and your screen shades and colors all change.

for me, it just isnt worth it.
I want a 24, but I dont want to settle.
this monitor is definatly low grade.

if size is all that matters - this is a good choice.
personally, I'd rather spend more for some better quality, something less touchy.

I just went back to my dell 2005FPW for now.
its not huge - but it still looks great.... from any angle.

[afireinside]

It's not that it's "low grade", it's just how TN panels work. You can either get a TN with no lag but terrible colors and angles or you can get a *VA with lots of lag and decent colors/angles. I was happy with my 24" westinghouse (MVA panel) after I got accustomed to the horrendous input lag, but no question it lowered my level of play in FPS games.

[Kunaak]

hmm, I guess low grade is the wrong word.

just - I have no word to describe TN monitors.
the dimming remind me so much of real old LCD's from like 10 years ago, cause they all had that back then, that they just seem kinda cheap after seeing a good LCD.

I dont have a good word for them...

[YukonTrooper]

A P-MVA panel is going to give you the best balance between performance and quality. I'd overlook 90% of TN panels. There are a few that are handled well with the driving electronics behind them, but the majority of TN monitors are weak sauce.

[Brahmzy]

A P-MVA panel is going to give you the best balance between performance and quality. I'd overlook 90% of TN panels. There are a few that are handled well with the driving electronics behind them, but the majority of TN monitors are weak sauce.

Then I'm diggin' the hell outa my fastest 24" LCD available weak sauce monitor. I just don't get the viewing angle thing. On a completely white or grey page, I can move my head up and down 6" inches in either direction and still keep complete uniform brightness. I sit about 2 feet from it. This thing friggin' rocks. BTW, I use dual very nice - non TN 20" panels at work all day and yes, I'm glad they aren't TN's but, coming from work to home every night, I notice very little difference.

For me, with games, a non-TN panel simply will NOT cut it. Unfortunate I guess.

[lowfat]

I really don't mind my 24" BenQ G2400. Which is a TN panel, and probably the cheapest 24" screen you can buy. But the quality is alright, colours don't look too bad, and haven't noticed any ghosting. Although viewing angle isn't the greatest. But generally you do sit right in front of the monitor, so that really doesn't matter much.

[XS Janus]

I guess there jus isn't a win situation with these.
I really hate low angles on my HP nootebok, is it bad like that?
I gotta go to the shop and look at 245B again cause the deal is sweet, and Dell is 80% more! + the input lag you guys keep mentioning... And I cant see it anywhere in resale shops to compare!

Now you tell me if it's worth it? :(

[adamsleath]

http://www.prad.de/en/guide/ausstattung_auswahl.html
this site has some info...just to confuse.

hard to find a well priced gem. most "better" screens come with a hefty price tag.

maybe sitting dead in front of the screen is a small price to pay for the cost savings.
i think that is the main issue. the other issue is backlight uniformity....but unless you get a real stinker of a panel that shouldnt be a worry hopefully.

other "quality" comparisons between tns and p-mva or s-pva or sips type panels wont really factor in imo unless you put a tn next to a p-mva and what differences you'll see i dont know.

ghosting / lag should not be an issue in a 24" panel
edit: but it seems this is a key prob for gaming............................................

lg246
samsung 245
for the price.

there are many very good panels in the higher prices :) - like nec and hp 24+" but they are spensive,and some dells are excellent and some seem to get the whinge factor.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/buyers-guide/gamer22.html
samsung 245b is in the gaming displays list so it must be alright :lol:

[YukonTrooper]

Where are the results for input lag on the 245BW? I can't seem to find them anywhere.

[adamsleath]

I'm guessing the LG 246 since it has 22ms input lag vs like 32ms input lag on most or all the others. Never seen one in motion before, only in some obscure non-native rez at best buy.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1031189398

dont know how true this is...?

http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=342367

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=4359263&CartID=done&nextloc=
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204389946&SearchEngine=PriceGrabber&SearchTerm=204389946&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=15890

600usd for the lg246...i dont think so.
http://www.entercomputers.com/product.asp?pf_id=FP241W - benq 241w for ~600

400 for the 245b samsung.
also better response times from tns anyway i thought.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/4.htm#24inch_tn - new tech in panels...A-MVA; 120Hz; other...:)

AUO's Simulated Pulsed Driving (SPD) technology simulates impulse-type displays with the adjustment of pixel driving and scanning backlight to reach a CRT-like image quality in motion picture response time.
?

[blargman]

Any TN panel i've ever seen looks like utter crap imo. The LG looks beautiful. It has no problems running COD4 @ 1920x1200 at well over a 100fps. I haven't seen any ghosting :s

[YukonTrooper]

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1031189398

dont know how true this is...?
Yes. The LG is about 22 on average. Here is a roundup of three 24" monitors where input lag is compared. Scroll down to the summary to see input lag results: http://bexox.com/showdown.htm

[Brahmzy]

Where are the results for input lag on the 245BW? I can't seem to find them anywhere.

I've seen them somewhere but the 245BW has the absolute lowest input lag by far out of ALL 24" panels made. It was a big difference - even compared to the other TN 24 inchers.

I guess there jus isn't a win situation with these.
I really hate low angles on my HP nootebok, is it bad like that?
I gotta go to the shop and look at 245B again cause the deal is sweet, and Dell is 80% more! + the input lag you guys keep mentioning... And I cant see it anywhere in resale shops to compare!

Now you tell me if it's worth it? :(

Nowhere near as bad as a laptop. And not bad at all IMO. I guess I'm having trouble understanding why the heck people don't sit in front of their monitors? Do you guys play games while you're standing? Or sitting on the floor?
Last time I checked this was a DESKTOP type gaming monitor. I prefer to sit, in a chair, looking straight at my screen. Maybe I have some miracle 245BW? That would mean my Sammy 204B TN LCD was a miracle monitor then too I guess...

Maybe I should snap some pics or somethin'.

I will say that my 245BW has a fair amount of back bleed - I have seen other 245BWs with less. Strange.

[Soulburner]

Input lag has a lot to do with your peripherals as well.

The response on my FP241W is nearly instant with my Deathadder, can't tell any input lag. And it's supposedly a "slow P-MVA" :rolleyes:

[YukonTrooper]

Try to dig those numbers up Brahmzy, I'd really like to know.

Have you overclocked your mouse to improve input Soulburner? I didn't know about it until just a couple months ago. Maybe the Deathadder comes stock at a high frequency, I'm not sure about the Razer products. I know it's illegal in some rings of gaming at the competition level. Stock and legal at competition is 125mhz. I have my MX518 overclocked at 500mhz which cuts the lag by 3-4ms. The app will let you OC to 1000mhz but my MX518 has stability problems at that frequency. There are mice that can handle it that high though. Program is called usbmrs11.exe.

[Soulburner]

The Deathadder has no such ability, the stock polling rate is 1000Mhz though if that makes a difference.

[YukonTrooper]

That's it. Polling rate.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

polling rate is BS unless you are using 20 sensitivity and 2000dpi while playing quake/UT. Otherwise (ie for the average/low sensitivity gamer) its just a marketing myth created to get you to spend more money.

BOT: you wont notice any ghosting issues on a monitor that you buy from a legitimate manufacturer (samsung, HP, dell, etc.)

[Zytek_Fan]

Best 24" LCD's:

BenQ FP241W
LG L245/L246 (same monitor)
ViewSonic VX2435WM
HP LP2465

In no particular order - each have their own strengths and weaknesses, research them.

What he said! :yepp:

[YukonTrooper]

polling rate is BS unless you are using 20 sensitivity and 2000dpi while playing quake/UT. Otherwise (ie for the average/low sensitivity gamer) its just a marketing myth created to get you to spend more money.

BOT: you wont notice any ghosting issues on a monitor that you buy from a legitimate manufacturer (samsung, HP, dell, etc.)
Well I'm not the polling expert but as far as I can tell increasing the mhz in your mouse will effectively decrease input lag. At least that is what I gather from the descriptions I've read. Perhaps you'd like to fill me in on it because it's definitely spiked my interest.

What's a "legitimate manufacturer"? Regardless of who makes the monitor it doesn't change the fact that there is more ghosting in some units compared to others. Usually it's not too bad on most newer units, but it really depends on who you talk to and what monitor you're using. Some people don't notice it, some don't care, and others can't let it stop bugging them. I've seen a handful of monitors made by "legitimate manufacturers" where the ghosting was definitely noticeable.

[adamsleath]

LG L245/L246 (same monitor)
http://www.prad.de/en/guide/ergebnis_auswahl.html?pradid=cbac2181865ee42e86bbb e8754c11246&manufacturer%5B%5D=132&price1=&price_old=no&erfdatum=01.01.2000&1%5B%5D=0&28%5B%5D=0&43%5B%5D=2&2%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&31%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&8%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&36%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&10%5B%5D=1920+x+1200&4%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&5%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&39%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&6%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&7%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&37%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&38%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&11%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&13%5B%5D=0&9%5B%5D=0&35%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&44%5B%5D=2&30%5B%5D=2&14%5B%5D=2&15%5B%5D=2&16%5B%5D=2&17%5B%5D=2&18%5B%5D=2&19%5B%5D=2&21%5B%5D=0&22%5B%5D=2&23%5B%5D=2&24%5B%5D=0&33%5B%5D=0&40%5B%5D=no+specific+feature+selected&32%5B%5D=0&25%5B%5D=0&order_by=price&order_order=asc&Submit=find+displays

according to prad lg 245 and 246 are not the same panel..it says the 246 is a tn, and the 245 is an s-pva :confused:
oh hang on thats 246wh....tn
so is 246wp an s-pva???????????????????????????????????


so; the l246 /l245 [s-pva?] is the one with 22ms input lag [relatively low]
and can be had for $...........dollars...any cheap deals on this monitor?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/24inch_25.html#sect0
this article writer didnt like the lg 245wp very much :(


The app will let you OC to 1000mhz but my MX518 has stability problems at that frequency
my518 died shortly after ocing it...dont kno if it was related :/

[YukonTrooper]

Well in Europe it's possible that the panels are different. This happens sometimes as seen with some of the BenQ monitors. Honestly though I think that they just got it wrong. As far as I know the only difference is that the 26 is the big box store version and the 25 is the online store version. The power button differs in location but either than that they are identically the same. They changed model numbers so you couldn't price match between big box stores and websites. Head over to www.hardforum.com where you'll get the most useful information. BTW it says the 25 is P-MVA, not S-PVA.

The guy at xbitlabs does have a valid point but he isn't totally right about the brightness issue. Indeed it is useless at some settings but for optimal results you leave it on the SRGB setting, put brightness around 50, and then adjust other settings VIA your video card driver. Once again, head over to hardforum to get a good feel for all the different monitors available. Tons of user testimony and input.

A good place to compare monitors: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6 You can select two different monitors and then from a drop down menu select the comparison you want to do. You can compare gray quality, color accuracy, ghosting, input lag compared to CRT etc. You'll notice that the LG dominates in many categories. It doesn't have input lag results compared to a CRT but those are documented elsewhere at 22ms on average.

[adamsleath]

BenQ FP241W [P-MVA]

BenQ FP241WZ [S-PVA]

i'd been looking at these and got the two panel types mixed up.
i'll have a play with the digitalversus link see wot info comes from it.

having a bit of a look
interesting.
looking at diffrences between s, a, c, panel 226bw and 226cw...they all different.

still looking great info.

s and a panels are very good 226bw...better than cw in color and delay :eh:

colors after calibration; color gamut; delay; greys - all good info; thx for that :)
i feel not so in the dark...
looking at this data has turned me off the samsung 244t/245t
backlight uniformity is still a concern to me tho.
[in my mind at least it's still a toss up between lg246 and benq 241w:hehe: based on comments and info from various...and samsung's solid+cheap 245b tn]

[Omastar]

I've got the Samsung 245bw, and I will certainly agree on the limited viewing angle, but aside from that one flaw, it's a great monitor. Text looks sharper than on my VX922, I see less tearing and ghosting in gaming (not sure why the former is true, since that has more to do with vsync being enabled or disabled, but all my game settings are the same, sans resolution), and it does well with deep blacks and movies.

All in all, it has its flaws like any monitor, but given the price to performance ratio, I'd say it holds its own.

[blargman]

http://www.behardware.com/articles/680-1/lcd-24-iiyama-b2403ws-samsung-245t.html

[Omastar]

Here's a fairly middle of the road review on the 245bw, but worth a look:

http://www.overclockersonline.net/?page=articles&num=1171

He doesn't mention the viewing angle as a con in the conclusion, but he does demonstrate it in the review.

[Biker]

Edit: Any opinions on the Hyundai W241D-PVA would be good - i've decided to throw that spanner in the works!! ;-)

Input lag test here (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1252529)

Unofficial review thread here (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667999)

Drool over loads of luvverly specs of 24" goodness here (http://lcd24.asp2.cz/Monitors.aspx) :D

[day187]

I just brought this Samsung SM-245T (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-061-SA&groupid=703&catid=17&subcat=510) for my gaming rig and the picture is amazing. was going to buy a dell but this is more future proof and is full hd.


- Viewable Area: 24” Widescreen (1920x1200 Resolution)
- Interface: Analog / Digital / HDMI / S-Video / Component
- First LCD monitor that supports MPA (Motion Picture Acceleration) technology
- Supports Full-HD (1080p)
- CCFL technology improved color gamut of 97 percent NTSC
- Response Time: 6ms
- 16.7M Colours
- Contrast Ratio: 1500:1
- Viewing Angle (H/V): 178°/ 178°
- Brightness: 300cd/m2
- Height Adjustable stand with tilt & swivel
- 4 Port USB Hub
- Mac Compatible
- VESA (200 x 100mm)
- Tilt, Swivel and Pivot funtion
- 3 Years On-Site Warranty with Samsung

[XS Janus]

^Damn, but 245T is pretty pricey when compared to 245BW

Anybody knows is 245BW HDCP capable?

[Brahmzy]

^Damn, but 245T is pretty pricey when compared to 245BW

Anybody knows is 245BW HDCP capable?

YEP. It is.

[adamsleath]

i think there will be a whole bunch of 24" tn's soon..if not already; dell has one E248WFP; ..others?

[YukonTrooper]

@ Adamsleath - Just noticed that there is a third LG 24" monitor I never knew about. This must be that TN panel you were talking about earlier. The two monitors that are the same but have different model numbers are the L245WP and the L246WP. Those are the ones I was talking about. Both have P-MVA panels. The TN version is called the L246WH. It must have just came out because I never knew about it before. That makes things a little less confusing.

[adamsleath]

^^yeah ive just been looking for the wh...they have it for sale in australia and it's way too cheap (i thought) to be a p-mva

http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/computer%20products_lcd%20monitors_full%20line%20o f%20lcd%20monitors_L246WP-BN.jhtml
lg 246wp-bn on n.america lg webpage (assume p-mva from larger view angle)

in aussie cheaper tn panel i think:
lg 246wh-bn;
a bit misleading/confusing...as there is very little info around on the wh
the 246wH-bn isnt even on the lg website in australia :mad: even tho it is for sale on many aussie e-tailers (i wonder whether anyone buys it thinking they are getting a wp:rolleyes:)
thx for the info./confirm.

http://img1.digitalversus.com/produits/35/1815/35_189_108.jpg
^^178 degrees (lg 245wp) P-MVA
http://img1.digitalversus.com/produits/36/2334/36_245_108.jpg
^^160 degrees (samsung 245b/bw) TN
:/

[Brahmzy]

Hmmmm. I've never tried to use my computer while I'm lying down on the floor on my back. I need to try that sometime. :confused:

[YukonTrooper]

Brahmzy we get it. You're in love with your monitor.

Find those input lag results for me hotshot.

[Omastar]

Brahmzy we get it. You're in love with your monitor.

Find those input lag results for me hotshot.

He does raise a point: what, exactly, is the purpose of insane viewing angles?

[YukonTrooper]

Well they don't need to be insane or anything for desktop use. For my purposes I'm sure I'd be fine with a TN panel. With larger monitors though you can notice the shifting much easier. Some people are sensitive to it while others are not.

Also, with such large panels many people use them for applications either than desktop use. Considering the input options (component, HDMI, s-video etc.) and price, many people purchase these monitors with other uses in mind, such as TV, video game consoles, movies etc.. Many of these scenarios will include having the monitor mounted where multiple users will be viewing. Viewing angles definitely are a concern in this area.

[Soulburner]

Hmmmm. I've never tried to use my computer while I'm lying down on the floor on my back. I need to try that sometime. :confused:
In my experience with TN panels, the problem starts much sooner than you would think. I have had to tilt my monitor forward (top towards me) because as soon as I "get comfortable" in my chair, my head is slightly lower than where it needs to be and the top half of the monitor is darker than the bottom. At that point it loses color and clips all detail. You need to be looking at a TN type screen straight on or from a slightly downward angle, and never upward.

[187(V)URD@]

You can't go wrong with BenQ.
There after service is the best on the market.

I got 2 BenQ's myself and it was time for me to get another brand.
Bought myself a 24" LG245WP and :banana::banana::banana::banana: it looks sweet!

[XS Janus]

I would get the Samsung 245T but the price is like 150% more than 245BW so its a no, no in so many ways!

[dsturner]

I have 3 monitors at home...the last one I bought was a Viewsonic 22" wide screen The others are a Scepter and an LG.Quite simply I will never buy anthing other than a Viewsonic again....its crisper cleaner brighter and colours are more vivid.I thought it might just be the setup of the others so I installed it beside my viewsonic (dual monitors) The difference blew me away.
There a little more money to buy but well worth it if you spend a lot of time on the puter

[Soulburner]

dsturner, the thing is we can't even trust "brand names" anymore. Any manufacturer can use any panel they like in an LCD, which means depending on the model you could get a very good monitor, or a bad one. Since they source the LCD panel from a number of places, just because its "Viewsonic" or "LG" doesn't guarantee quality.

[dsturner]

You have a point there. My dad has always bought Viewsonic (15 years or more) because he could afford them and I couldn't or didn't think that there was that much of a difference but there is even in the CRT days. I agree that you may get a bad model it does happen. But a 15 year track record is solid...maybe luck has something to do with it? I don't know im just real happy with mine. In our Family we now have 6 of them various models and all is well even the CRT at the Cottage indures -30c temps

So ya im a little biost but for good reason LOL And yes Viewsonic does have there problems...Ive read in forums I guess were lucky to have avoided them.
LOL

[Soulburner]

They do make good monitors. It's just that as soon as we find a company who makes a good product, they go and put a low-cost panel in the same monitor without changing the model, and if it weren't for enthusiasts like us the consumer would never know better. A few of these companies come to mind...

Unfortunately this happens industry-wide, it's just easier to tell with a monitor.

[adamsleath]

also variance from panel to panel to some degree even for identical models (re backlight bleed for example)

and i take the point that not all panels from brand "a" are good and not all from brand"c" are bad...but that's the whole point to narrow down the good/not overly expensive panels

tn's mostly have better response (particularly the better examples)
than p-mva/s-pva, and the colour accuracy after calibrationalso seems to be very good for some TN panels (contrary to many comments ive seen in other forums whinging about crappy factory set colors without bothering to calibrate)

tn viewing angles...all you have to do is make sure you sit dead in front of the panel(i suppose)....but not having viewed a large (24") tn i cant really comment.

soulburner's convinced of the benq 24. i havent ruled out the lg 245/6wp cos it seems to be up there in terms of color accuracy after calibration/response/low input lag...

also seems to be confusion around the internet as to what type of panel the benq 241w/241wz uses...
wz: with "bfi" black frame insertion...
BenQ FP241W (widescreen) has a 24 inch 8 ms (g2g) P-MVA (AUO M240UW01 V0) panel.
http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php

so currently i can only guess that some fp241w have s-pva and some p-mva....as panel substitutions do seem to occur in the tft panel world.

[Soulburner]

The FP241W is an exception. It only comes with the P-MVA.

[JoeBar]

In my experience with TN panels, the problem starts much sooner than you would think. I have had to tilt my monitor forward (top towards me) because as soon as I "get comfortable" in my chair, my head is slightly lower than where it needs to be and the top half of the monitor is darker than the bottom. At that point it loses color and clips all detail. You need to be looking at a TN type screen straight on or from a slightly downward angle, and never upward.
I've used quite a few TN panels. Right now i have a LG 1970Q on my 2nd gaming rig. I agree with u on the slight viewing angles, but if u're using your monitor for a desktop/gaming rig (alone) TN is a viable option.
Again if u're a pro, looking for the most accurate colors TN is out of the question.

I have 3 monitors at home...the last one I bought was a Viewsonic 22" wide screen The others are a Scepter and an LG.Quite simply I will never buy anthing other than a Viewsonic again....its crisper cleaner brighter and colours are more vivid.I thought it might just be the setup of the others so I installed it beside my viewsonic (dual monitors) The difference blew me away.
There a little more money to buy but well worth it if you spend a lot of time on the puter

U can't bE brand loyal these days, in my opinion. I've got a Viewsonic VP2030B on my main gaming rig and absolutely love it, as most of the reviewers for this model. However i haven't read similar things for their 23' wide model, which i considered due to the positive opinion from my monitor.

Always, read a lot, find user opinions, prioritize what u want and u'll get the best possible monitor. ;)

[Shootingblanks]

I got the 24" LG246WP last month. Best Buy had it on sale and I couldnt pass up the price. I never buy anything computer related from Best Buy, but I ordered it online and had it in 2 days.

At the time I was considering the Benq, but I definately have no regrets with the LG. The picture looks great.

[Soulburner]

Shootingblanks, when you get it set up with color/brightness etc...can you comment on shadow detail in games? For example, dark corners of rooms, how easy it is to see where you are going, etc. On a lot of LCD's the black is more of a dark grey and its hard to see much detail in some areas.

[JoeBar]

If your LCD has a gamma setting, u can play with it and see if it helps.

On TN panels it makes wonders.

[Budwise]

got the Samsung 245BW over the holiday for $399 from Costco. The viewing angles have yet to bother me at all. I also saw the LG 246WP on sale for $529. Sure its a better monitor for color and extreme viewing angles, but is it $130 better? Not in my opinion.

[Soulburner]

It depends on what you use it for.

Because of my other hobby, Photography, I do a lot of photo editing. The TN panel only got me so far until I had to get something better. The BenQ FP241W was absolutely what I needed: 1920x1200 pixels of accurate color. In that case, $130 is easily justified.

[ExcessFC]

I have the Dell 2407wfp and love it. The ghosting issues were corrected on revision 3 of these, which as been shipping for over a year.

[Budwise]

just picked up a LG 246WP from Best Buy (their last one) cuz my Samsung had a bright red pixel.(returned to Costco). It was $539 which made me cringe. Now that i got it all up and running i do see a nice color difference. Websites look as i remembered them back when i had a CRT monster. Tones seem deeper although I may need to tune the picture a little as it also seems a little washed out depending on the content. I noticed in the menu it has "6500K, 9300K, sRGB, or User". 6500K and User seem to be about the same at default but 9300K seems a bit on the cool side. I dont even know about sRGB. What should i be setting it on? For now its at 6500K.

[adamsleath]

http://www.lge.com/products/sidemenu/list/lcd%20monitor_PRD%7CMNL_manual%7Clist.jhtml

does it have anything like this? ^^
How to use forteManager Color Calibration
The color calibration will take about ten minutes to complete. forteManager color will go through a series of steps to produce sRGB color from your LCD.

i got no idea; i'm just curious...it looks like a way to adjust the colours to suit your preference.
i know i use USER defined because i dont like the presets on my crt :yawn:

4. forteManager: I downloaded the latest version from the LG global site and it's working perfectly. Seems to be a branded version of Portrait Displays EzTune (just a guess). Works well for gamma calibration and setting color accuracy. May not be as good as colorimeter, but I'm going to work with it for now. Here's the URL: forteManager.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1167222&page=49

http://www.lge.com/products/sidemenu/list/wide%20lcd%20monitor_PRD%7CDWN_down%7Cread_10593_1 .jhtml forte manager program/lg webpage

http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/ - i just tried this one :shrug:

[Shootingblanks]

I run my on sRGB and am using HDMI connections.

Im feeding my kids atm, but once wife gets home and if I get a chance I will verify what settings I am running.

I contacted LG technical support and they said I had mine set up correctly.

[GAR]

for 24" monitors, your only options should be

BenQ FP241W/VW
LG 246W
Dell 2407WFP A04 only, HC has ghosting and some 2407WFP's come with IPS panels, known as the best, and thats the one mine has, its awsome!!!

Samsung 245BW = Garbage
Gateway FDH2400 = Garbage hidden in nice looks
HP 2408 = another garbage TN hidden in glossy garbage