Xsos 3

[karmeck]

Kinda long time since some one posted something about this, so Whats goooooooooooooooooooing oooooon :stick:

[Budwise]

nobody knows...

[alexio]

I was contacted a while ago for beta testing, but haven't had a reply to my response.

[NickS]

Chill out guys. nn is away on vacation right now anyway.

[nn_step]

it is being prepared, your patience will be rewarded

[alexio]

it is being prepared, your patience will be rewarded
Awesome nn :)

What about Vista DX10 vs Xsos v3 DX10 :cool:

Merry Christmas nn and take your time!

[ColonelCain]

it is being prepared, your patience will be rewarded

Exactly. I say that we stop bothering nn about it, and just give it time. There would be no point for him to spend all this time programing it, and not release it. Give it time.

[karmeck]

getting kinda tired of the all waiting nothing deliver game, to my knowledge there has only been one media release. And any one that say they think it is all is bogus, can you really blame them?

[Hlafordlaes]

First post IIRC, after a good while lurking and learning on XS.

This project sounds intriguing and just wanted to go on record as willing to beta test v3.0 if and when.

Hlafordlaes

[karmeck]

and then there was quiet.

[Shaz]

Well do you want him to do it quick or do you want him to do it right?

[Jamesrt2004]

Well do you want him to do it quick or do you want him to do it right?

+1

karmack stop the hating i'd like to see you do your own xsos version

[Movieman]

You can. Go download vlite or nlite and you too can make a hyper stripped down version of XP or Vista. People share them on various bit torrent sites all the time. There are also guides listing how to do this one file at a time. All it takes in the second case is a lot of time and some degree of trial and error.

There's 3 comments of yours in this thread that I just read and none positive.
If your not interested in what nn_step is trying to do then please leave the thread to those that are.
Don't troll here please.

[Speederlander]

There's 3 comments of yours in this thread that I just read and none positive.
If your not interested in what nn_step is trying to do then please leave the thread to those that are.
Don't troll here please.

Check your PMs.

[[XC] riptide]

and then there was quiet.

He's busy. ;)

[Shaz]

What's he's doing appears to be way more than vLite too.

[Clint]

What's he's doing appears to be way more than vLite too.

Vlite is a good app in it self, but it will never be able to optimize resource usage as a selfmade build. (taken knowledge exists)

The author of Vlite have to cater for all kinds of users, clever, stupid and even more stupid.:D

[justapost]

I took a look on the xsos image some time ago (don't know what version it was).
Looked like win2k stripped down with hfslip.
HFSlip can be used to integrate hotfixes and sp's in an installer cd.
In oposite to nlite/vlite it replaces all the dll's on the install media with the ones from the hotfixes. nlite/vlite integrates them during installation using silent install switches.
HFSlip is just one big batch file mainly so it can be tweaked easy if you are familar with batch scripts under windows.

[Jamesrt2004]

I took a look on the xsos image some time ago (don't know what version it was).
Looked like win2k stripped down with hfslip.
HFSlip can be used to integrate hotfixes and sp's in an installer cd.
In oposite to nlite/vlite it replaces all the dll's on the install media with the ones from the hotfixes. nlite/vlite integrates them during installation using silent install switches.
HFSlip is just one big batch file mainly so it can be tweaked easy if you are familar with batch scripts under windows.

whats that got to do with xsos 3? :confused:

[justapost]

whats that got to do with xsos 3? :confused:
We will see. Not sure what parts of the os is redesigned on a source base, but hfslip was used to strip down w2k for xsos 2 or to integrate the modified parts easy.

[karmeck]

Well do you want him to do it quick or do you want him to do it right?

I want it fast rater then right.

But this has been going on for some time now, so taking long time don't really seem to get it right dose it?

And every time some one question it. they get bashed for it. You don't even know what you are defending, come on.

[stardust8750]

I want it fast rater then right.

But this has been going on for some time now, so taking long time don't really seem to get it right dose it?

And every time some one question it. they get bashed for it. You don't even know what you are defending, come on.

So go write your own OS and quit your stupid complaining.

[Jamesrt2004]

I want it fast rater then right.

But this has been going on for some time now, so taking long time don't really seem to get it right dose it?

And every time some one question it. they get bashed for it. You don't even know what you are defending, come on.

Well maybe it hasn't taken long enough, and so YOU want it fast ok it'll end up exactly the same as normal vista then all slow n sluggish with bugs etc

the point is it will take AS LONG AS IT TAKES not when you or I want it to sure I'm with you on it's taking a long time... but there not going to be doing it on purpose just to say HA look at those idiots waiting for it... We got told by NN that it will be coming out I trust his words and you should too, it's not his fault if things take longer then he originally planned although he didn't actually set a Date

so

beggars can't be choosers and just wait

and/or install a Lite version of Vista for now

[Jamesrt2004]

We will see. Not sure what parts of the os is redesigned on a source base, but hfslip was used to strip down w2k for xsos 2 or to integrate the modified parts easy.

So you think it will be the same as someone Vliteing basically with some Xsos logo's about mmm I know where your coming from but this ones sounds like their doing a lot more on this one so fingers crossed it turns out well and AWESOME =]

[Shaz]

Clearly it's not just stripping it out. It's being done properly, there's no use hassling him because it won't be any faster with that.

[justapost]

So you think it will be the same as someone Vliteing basically with some Xsos logo's about mmm I know where your coming from but this ones sounds like their doing a lot more on this one so fingers crossed it turns out well and AWESOME =]
Hmm no i don't think it is just a stripped down version, just mentioned hfslip because i found it on xsos 2.
It's an pretty nice tool to integrate hotfixes and i think they use it to integrate their modified windows parts and to strip down the whole system.

[Sparky]

For all the "hurry up" guys out there...

remember, nn_step is pretty much doing it all himself IIRC, maybe he has a few others helping I don't know (aside from any beta testers). Think of how long it takes a big company with hundreds working on it to release... bear that in mind ;)

[nn_step]

For all the "hurry up" guys out there...

remember, nn_step is pretty much doing it all himself IIRC, maybe he has a few others helping I don't know (aside from any beta testers). Think of how long it takes a big company with hundreds working on it to release... bear that in mind ;)

actually we have Beta testers(people who take days to test), Alpha testers (people who quickly test and report back quickly), and I am planning on making teams with team leads.
In which each team will be doing specialized testing such as games or anti-virus or firewalls etc

[alpha0ne]

I tried installing XSOS2008_v.9 today but it wont load

Corrupted or due to no s/n ???

[nn_step]

I tried installing XSOS2008_v.9 today but it wont load

Corrupted or due to no s/n ???

could be a possible error or corruption during the install attempt since the s/n isn't required (and is only there to limit its use to betas and will later be removed)

[alpha0ne]

I have d/loaded all the files twice now and same outcome, could it be because I'm using a CD-RW instead of a DVD ???

[Clint]

I have d/loaded all the files twice now and same outcome, could it be because I'm using a CD-RW instead of a DVD ???

If the setup wont boot, then I'd suggest you burn that disc on 2x or so.

RW can be sensitive for high burning speeds.

[mikey976]

id love to help out if i can , i have 5-6 machines at home 2 of which dx10 ready (my primary machine which runs vista x64/xp pro/ ubuntu x64 and my htpc). plus a spare low/mid grade unit at work . since work is slow and i have free time to work on small projects of my own.

[Pyr0]

i managed to get the stripped server 2008 installed on a spare single sata drive

initial impressions are, i cant set it to automatically logon, cant get rid of the need for ctrl+alt+del to login, there's no admin tools whatsoever, and no web browser :(

will remember to put some things on a usb stick (like firefox) and have another look later

[nn_step]

i managed to get the stripped server 2008 installed on a spare single sata drive

initial impressions are, i cant set it to automatically logon, cant get rid of the need for ctrl+alt+del to login, there's no admin tools whatsoever, and no web browser :(

will remember to put some things on a usb stick (like firefox) and have another look later

You can use explorer.exe as a web browser (but I wouldn't suggest using it for long) also, things such as firewalls and antivirus normally should be installed and setup before even being connected to the network...

[Boogerlad]

can I be a beta tester please?

[alpha0ne]

Seems I had a bad batch of re writable discs, installed no problems now and will report back re functionality

Seems quite snappy :up:

[alpha0ne]

OK all the mobo drivers (Abit AN-M2 Nvidia 1025/630a chipset) installed OK except sound, tried the R180 from Realtek but no luck

Opera Works as does Spybot

No Admin tools ???????, no option to boot without password

Opera and T/bird are OK but because I dont use explorer as web browser Avast wont install grrrrrr

None of the shortcuts work from the address bar near clock

Cant turn off net connection

[phelan1777]

Oh, and forgot to mention, it seems the Auzentech Prelude doesn't have drives for Vista64bit/Server 08

[Pyr0]

the auzen drivers are all-in-one, it's just that there's no audio service to start
i've not looked too hard yet, but also not found a way of adding features

[dinos22]

guys you can testmost of the functionality VERY quickly through Microsoft Virtual PC 2004

[edit] i just noticed that Virtual PC 2007 is now available
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/default.mspx

[SmaKKed]

There goes Dinos flogging MS Virtual PC again LOL (Vmware is better Mate)

But back on topic, if nn_step is diong it by himself then it will take longer then what people expect, its not an easy task doing what he is diong.

[dinos22]

There goes Dinos flogging MS Virtual PC again LOL (Vmware is better Mate)

But back on topic, if nn_step is diong it by himself then it will take longer then what people expect, its not an easy task doing what he is diong.

is it better

i mean i tried it before and it was complicated and just CBF-d
maybe i am too impatient :shrug:

:shrug:

[SmaKKed]

Yes it is better but not as easy as Virtual PC. Has alot more functionality then VPC.

But in saying that the new build is very easy to create an image with, check it when oyu have time.

[nn_step]

guys you can testmost of the functionality VERY quickly through Microsoft Virtual PC 2004

[edit] i just noticed that Virtual PC 2007 is now available
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/default.mspx

actually I don't need Virtual PC testing, but what I need is real hardware to confirm what I believe to be accurate. Things such as performance impact of what I tried to do and later on compatibility with applications.
Right now I can say there are going to be problems with sound cards and until Creative and nVidia get their Driver act together problems with those given products, but ultimately right now WCG performance is at the top of our list.

[alexio]

actually I don't need Virtual PC testing, but what I need is real hardware to confirm what I believe to be accurate. Things such as performance impact of what I tried to do and later on compatibility with applications.
Right now I can say there are going to be problems with sound cards and until Creative and nVidia get their Driver act together problems with those given products, but ultimately right now WCG performance is at the top of our list.
Hey nn, so future releases will support audio? Can you reply to my PM maybe ;)

Keep up the good work :)

[RPGWiZaRD]

Will there be any 32bit build? I'd mainly wanna use that due to the kX Audio drivers currently only support 32bit Vista. Also I'm interested in comparing performance against XP SP3 and therefore it would be more accurate comparision with 32bit version.

[nn_step]

Hey nn, so future releases will support audio? Can you reply to my PM maybe ;)

Keep up the good work :)
yes but then again there will be many betas along the way to improve performance, drop system requirements, and add features. Patience will be key


Will there be any 32bit build? I'd mainly wanna use that due to the kX Audio drivers currently only support 32bit Vista. Also I'm interested in comparing performance against XP SP3 and therefore it would be more accurate comparision with 32bit version.

There will be absolutely NO 32bit builds.

[phelan1777]

Is it me, or is the @ idle sitting @ 400MB?

Granted I have 4GB, just curious.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Are we really allowed to talk about XSOS 3 here in this thread though I wonder? :p:

Those testers of u who haven't tried running Pi and other simple benchmarks yet, do so and you'll be suprised. :)

[nn_step]

Are we really allowed to talk about XSOS 3 here in this thread though I wonder? :p:

Those testers of u who haven't tried running Pi and other simple benchmarks yet, do so and you'll be suprised. :)

well I asked all testers to report directly to me but for some reason they keep posting things in the thread :rolleyes:
but when the beta does go public, I will create a thread specifically for it...

[Jamesrt2004]

YAY sounds like things are moving for the better :D

good going to NN_step and the whole beta team =]

public release to xtreme systems soon please.. maybe ask to get posted in like a "for sale" type section so say people only over a certain amount of posts can .. well download it from where ever it's being hosted :D!!

[nn_step]

YAY sounds like things are moving for the better :D

good going to NN_step and the whole beta team =]

public release to xtreme systems soon please.. maybe ask to get posted in like a "for sale" type section so say people only over a certain amount of posts can .. well download it from where ever it's being hosted :D!!

when we release to the public, we mean to the entire public of the world. When we wish for smaller releases to betas we communicate directly to known good members of the community. If you are a complete unknown, don't expect to get on the beta list

[B.E.E.F.]

Cool. So it does exist.

Can it do Photoshop CS2 or CS3? And Rhino 3.0 or 4.0?

[martin_lovick]

i realise that im a bit of a newbie and so dont expect to have any input to the xsos beta process, but in my opinion it would be nice to see a 32-bit release of xsos 3.0, it looks like the kind of OS that would be ideal for the eeePC

[nn_step]

i realise that im a bit of a newbie and so dont expect to have any input to the xsos beta process, but in my opinion it would be nice to see a 32-bit release of xsos 3.0, it looks like the kind of OS that would be ideal for the eeePC

we have previous releases to deal with that market
the eeePC lacks DX10, 64bit cpu and other hardware, thus would miss the majority of the benefits of V3.
Why try to fit a dress on a female pig, when it looks and works so much better on a woman?

[Clint]

we have previous releases to deal with that market
the eeePC lacks DX10, 64bit cpu and other hardware, thus would miss the majority of the benefits of V3.
Why try to fit a dress on a female pig, when it looks and works so much better on a woman?

Hehe, that's almost sig-worthy!:up: :D

[Boogerlad]

if you want something for your eee, get xsos 2.02

[alexio]

Hey nn, is there a relatively simple way for me to add audio support myself? If it isn't simple I'd still like to try it :p: so any tips would be appreciated.

[PsyDonia]

I havr try XSOS 2.02 on one of my old computer.
and I cant install the graphic card and the monitor.
I only get 640x480 16color.
can´t change that.
if I install XP or something on that computer it works perfect.

[karmeck]

This hole think is like hearing about an UFO on the radio, sure lot of talk but images would help. You tell us that we one day will get to ride this UFO, but it will take time to make it fly just fine. So show us some images in the mean time then "would you kindly".

[Shaz]

Yet more pressure on the man. He's building you an OS and all people seem to do is ask ask ask ask, I think I asked NN one thing once and it was fairly vague. You guys should give him a break about that. He's doing something for you guys that he doesn't need to so you should lay off a bit.

[nn_step]

This hole think is like hearing about an UFO on the radio, sure lot of talk but images would help. You tell us that we one day will get to ride this UFO, but it will take time to make it fly just fine. So show us some images in the mean time then "would you kindly".

you want screen shots of a black screen with green text?

[karmeck]

you want screen shots of a black screen with green text?

That would do yes. It like the first new screens from Duke nukem forever. It was like 200x125 pixels. And you know what, it was very much appreciated.


On January 25, 2007 and May 22, 2007, George Broussard posted two Gamasutra job ads with small (200x125 pixel) screenshots of Duke Nukem holding two guns and an enemy (mutated pig). Broussard later confirmed that these were real in-game screenshots.

[[XC] riptide]

Karmeck. I don't think your posts actually change the speed at which this will be done. And generally only serve to irritate others :rolleyes: Well. 6 out of 7 of your posts.

[karmeck]

I don't want it to be finished (well one day), that is not what this is about, I want to see it. It's like then I had my kidney stone, it felt hell of allot better knowing what it was then I did before i know it and all I had was freaking pain.

[nn_step]

I don't want it to be finished (well one day), that is not what this is about, I want to see it. It's like then I had my kidney stone, it felt hell of allot better knowing what it was then I did before i know it and all I had was freaking pain.

well I hate to tell you this but the job of the operating system is to be unnoticed; its job is to allocate resources for applications, facilitate interprocess communication, and provide a base for which the user can issue commands.

Idealistically you shouldn't even know that the operating system is there, because all you would see are your applications...

[tikbalang]

will xsos v3 be using minlogon.exe?

[nn_step]

We took into account the functionality required by many of our Users and there are services that leverages interactive logon, it will *not* function properly under Minlogon.exe.

[XSAlliN]

you want screen shots of a black screen with green text?

So that's as far it evolved.... :rolleyes:

I know only one project that shows some potential and that is: Wine HQ (http://www.winehq.org/). The evolution of Wine is public and gets better with every release, some games are playable, some applications work right... What can I say, it's more then a black screen with green text! :D

nn_step did show some potential for XSOS 3.0 - but only on paper (forum that is). I personally trust more in practice then on speculations. DX10 was suppose to be an Messiah for gaming based on paper specifications, but when released with Vista looked more like 666 if you ask me...

I talk in my name, not in general and honestly I would be glad to see a new potential, but when evidence is related to specifications and speculations only, well let's say a lot of people have been deceived more then enough by marketing. The only plus to XSOS 3.0 - it's free and nobody losses nothing, no mater what (at leas I hope no Hardware conflict would blowup a PC :) )

... so hey who knows, by the time Viena is out, maybe it will have some real competition, or not. Only time can say/show us the reality behind this project. ;)

[Drunner611]

XSALLIN, why are you bashing NN's work?

Seriously, let's see you make an entire OS? What does your screen look like?
Probably just a black screen with no text? Just let it go dude. It will be released when it's released. And to say NN has made no progress is extremely rude. If you want to see some of his past work check out XSOS 2.

It takes Microsoft 4 years to put out a crappy OS with 1000's of employees. You could only expect that to put out a nice OS with a 1 employee is going to take some time.

[XSAlliN]

I'm not bashing nothing. It's just an opinion based on current results ... plus, he said that not me:


you want screen shots of a black screen with green text?

Don't serve me that Microsoft strategy, cause if you look at any history book, you'll see that major project/evolutions come from one or less then ten people. If in the end, they end up being exploited by 1000 people, well that's just a way to help the less brain people with a job to put some food on the table...

[jbartlett323]

what does it matter how far its come or what it looks like... everyone is chomping at the bit for something most of us have never seen or know anything about... so why can't we all just leave it well enough alone until we do see something... pestering people about it will not make it reality any faster... and if it does the quality will suffer... :shakes:
So i say to you NN: I want screenies... when they are ready! and not a moment before!!
I want Benchies... but not before its ready!!!!
Lastly i want to use it!!! but not if its not exactally where you want it to be!!!
I for one will be patient and wait for what ever tidbits you choose to throw us and when the entire project comes to complete culmination i'm sure it will be worth it!! :up: :clap:
and if its not we will all break your legs :D j/k

[Jamesrt2004]

what does it matter how far its come or what it looks like... everyone is chomping at the bit for something most of us have never seen or know anything about... so why can't we all just leave it well enough alone until we do see something... pestering people about it will not make it reality any faster... and if it does the quality will suffer... :shakes:
So i say to you NN: I want screenies... when they are ready! and not a moment before!!
I want Benchies... but not before its ready!!!!
Lastly i want to use it!!! but not if its not exactally where you want it to be!!!
I for one will be patient and wait for what ever tidbits you choose to throw us and when the entire project comes to complete culmination i'm sure it will be worth it!! :up: :clap:
and if its not we will all break your legs :D j/k

+1..

u have sense my friend

[EniGmA1987]

I have a certain feeling that it benches very well...;)

[m^2]

Is there any way to get XSOS 2 nowadays?
I found a torrent, but it seems nobody's seeding it.

[ShadowGuy]

I had quick question for nn_step...

I thought I read somewhere (XS forums) that XSOS 3 was going to be from server 08 and that MS was supporting this, by allowing those that at least own one license to legally install this. Now if I have a license for vista does this still entitle me to install/use XSOS 3 (legally) or do I need a server 08 license... or am I completely in left field here?

[infekt]

so I just slipstreamed sp3 to nn_steps v1 xp sp2 os, and spent the last few hours removing the services, drivers and other crap it added, followed by cleaning up a few other various things in Resource Tuner. Is this something worth posting somewhere nn_step?

[infekt]

Is there any way to get XSOS 2 nowadays?
I found a torrent, but it seems nobody's seeding it.

I have it along with v2.02 and was archiving on my old server til I bought a new one (with nnsteps permission) I may start hosting it again, if I get the go ahead from nnstep

[Boogerlad]

do you happen to have xsos v1?

[infekt]

do you happen to have xsos v1?

I have every version that was ever released to the public, archived.

[ShadowGuy]

What's the quick rundown for all the versions? (ie. XSOS v2.02 - Win2K)

[karmeck]

Any news?

[[XC] riptide]

Yep. ;)

[nn_step]

Any news?

We are all hard at work, in our goal of making an operating system that provides the features and the performance that our users have come to expect.
Though some things are out of our hands (example Creative making crappy drivers and threatening suit for all those that fix it Or current patient law and lawyers standing in the way of the more advanced projects...)

[Knight]

We are all hard at work, in our goal of making an operating system that provides the features and the performance that our users have come to expect.
Though some things are out of our hands (example Creative making crappy drivers and threatening suit for all those that fix it Or current patient law and lawyers standing in the way of the more advanced projects...)

Its sad to see that people put what little money they might earn in front of the progression of technology and the general advancement of humans. :(

Hope you guys are doing fine and getting plenty of rest. :p:

[opieum]

While I have no knowledge of nn_steps progress on this, If he is building a linux/windows hybrid OS (or using singularity or midori code), what he and his team are doing is not trivial. This is an OS. Keep in mind that XP took nearly 4 years to write and Linux to get to where it is today took 15+ years to get to where it is now. nn is building an OS not taking nlite/vlite and making some cool tweaks to it.

I work at a company that designs and OS for one of it's products and can attest to how hard that is for an entire team to do. And then he has all the other legal issues to deal with and worry about, it is not an easy thing. Plus they are running on whatever budget they have.

I look in on the forums periodically. Hopefully it will be released soon. But hey we all have to wait. No sense in flaming if it is not finished and ready for possibly even beta testing.

[nn_step]

While I have no knowledge of nn_steps progress on this, If he is building a linux/windows hybrid OS (or using singularity or midori code), what he and his team are doing is not trivial. This is an OS. Keep in mind that XP took nearly 4 years to write and Linux to get to where it is today took 15+ years to get to where it is now. nn is building an OS not taking nlite/vlite and making some cool tweaks to it.

I work at a company that designs and OS for one of it's products and can attest to how hard that is for an entire team to do. And then he has all the other legal issues to deal with and worry about, it is not an easy thing. Plus they are running on whatever budget they have.

I look in on the forums periodically. Hopefully it will be released soon. But hey we all have to wait. No sense in flaming if it is not finished and ready for possibly even beta testing.

You are absolutely correct, it is extremely difficult to make a highly usable operating system. In Fact we have been working on it for years...
As for legal issues, I highly doubt that Microsoft is going to sue Microsoft for making Microsoft's next generation products.

[m^2]

(...)Keep in mind that XP took nearly 4 years to write(...)
Actually more as it uses a lot of code from previous Windows versions.

[PsyDonia]

does anyone has all XSOS versions. All before 2.02 and can share them.

[nn_step]

does anyone has all XSOS versions. All before 2.02 and can share them.

no, have a nice day

[karmeck]

and 1 moth past. Any new's.

[nn_step]

Yes several things are new and several more are in the process of being fixed.

[skycrane]

lol, you guys are killing me.....

one month goes by and someone starts :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing again on when its going to be done.....

[phelan1777]

no, have a nice day

:ROTF:

[XSAlliN]

Isn't this project dead?

[nn_step]

Isn't this project dead?

no, have a nice day

[ownage]

no, have a nice day


no, have a nice day

Have a nice day NN.

[karmeck]

Isn't this project dead?

It's not dead, it's just not alive.

[Jamesrt2004]

no, have a nice day

Is their anyway at all your able to provide us with a worklog type-esque thing? to see where the progress of where your at at the moment say if you complete a big part of it/or fix an issue that alot of the closed beta's had etc,

as im sure that would put alot of the haters to sleep and would make us actually willing to recognize the effort you put into this be even more excited about the release :)

[Boogerlad]

if you do some careful googling, you'd see that there is an active "thread" about xsos v3 going on here at xs... :wasntme:

[XSAlliN]

All I know is - that at late of 2006 nn_step made some statements about a free OS with DX10 Support like an alternative for Vista (but you have to have a payed MS OS to use it):


Originally Posted by nn_step

XSOS is an operating System, much like Linux and windows
The current goal is to provide a DRM free Gaming platform

Basic requirements include the ability to burn an ISO image onto a DVD and do a basic windows Style install.
Helpful extras include the ability to try installing applications you use and see if they work and then telling me.
Minimal required system (or better):
Pentium 3 300Mhz (or better)
256 MB Ram (or better)
1.5GB Hard drive (or better)
SVGA graphics card
DVD Burner (or better)
Mouse


Originally Posted by nn_step
Yes this OS fully supports DX10 Natively


....and that's how the rumors started:





"so what is this xsOS that is supposed to have native DirextX10..."

XSOS 3.0 - Vista killer? (Forums : General Banter : XSOS 3.0 - Vista killer?) (http://www.moddb.com/forum/thread/xsos-30-vista-killer) :)

XSOS: The Free Vista? (http://digg.com/software/XSOS_The_Free_Vista)

...and so on.

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What can I say, back then some people were so afraid of Vista that they believed anything just to stay away from it (me included). Now that I look back, I can honestly say that XSoS 3.0 was just a mirage in the desert which most of us blindly flowed, wile Vista was and still is the real thing.

A wile back, I conquered one of my fears and bought Vista and what do you know, it's not a hungry Dinosaur like I used to believe it's more like puppy if you have what it takes to feed it and I sure do (more then enough). :D

People with Vista Phobia where waiting for a release of XSoS by 2007, now it's near the end of 2008 and not even a public Beta release. Most of them did the same thing and bought Vista, even nn_step bought it. So I guess - by now XSoS 3.0 it's kinda useless for those people since they have the real thing, I know I've lost interest in it.

As for alternatives, for Linux Gaming with Games intended for Windows, Wine and Codega where the only projects that showed they have some potential behind them, as far as I'm concern.

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One more question for nn_step: what's the logic behind low specs (pentium III ... Durons) and Gaming with DX10 games?

Like one member used to say, this is Extreme Systems - most people that frequently use this forum have at least a Mainstream, if not High End or S.F. like System. Maybe there still is a minority of people with Durons, 512 ram and ATi HD 2400 cards (or similar) that hope to play Crysis on XSoS 3.0 with all on high, but I can't confirm that... so... Good Luck! You're gonna need it, might be the only chance of success since luck could be a synonym for Miracle. (and no, I'm not being sarcastic).

[nn_step]

One more question for nn_step: what's the logic behind low specs (pentium III ... Durons) and Gaming with DX10 games?

Like one member used to say, this is Extreme Systems - most people that frequently use this forum have at least a Mainstream, if not High End or S.F. like System. Maybe there still is a minority of people with Durons, 512 ram and ATi HD 2400 cards (or similar) that hope to play Crysis on XSoS 3.0 with all on high, but I can't confirm that... so... Good Luck! You're gonna need it, might be the only chance of success since luck could be a synonym for Miracle. (and no, I'm not being sarcastic).

The logic behind the low specs is simply because we believe an operating system should not require much system resources. Its job is to remain invisible to the user but provide the firm grounding needed by application developers.
As for game support, we have confirmed that a whole slew of games are fully functional. Our major issue to deal with involves our beloved DC beta testers and their requirements. As for the reason we didn't release a public beta, well honestly it is because the public doesn't give any feedback for improvement; let alone proper explanation of what needs to be fixed. [Phrases like "it doesn't work" Does not help us]

[XSAlliN]

It's a fact (not a Myth) that Low specs and High End gaming don't go hand in hand. About the public beta, a closed beta was released - so usually a public beta is the next step before the final version, even Microsoft did the same thing with Vista. I don't know the reasons behind this delay (political, M$ conspiracy...personal problems, etc) but it might be to late for a competition between Vista an XSoS 3.0, cause like I said above - most of us spent money on the real thing (vista) and so far we're happy with it - we don't see it as a monster, like we did before release. Even the mentality regarding usage changed in the mean time, especially after hardware upgrades since the components got a lot cheaper compared to 2006 (Ram,VGA, CPU and HDD). Even the results between XP and Vista, regarding games got fixed by now (that was the main reason that got me switching to Vista). So, good luck again. ;)

[m^2]

The logic behind the low specs is simply because we believe an operating system should not require much system resources. Its job is to remain invisible to the user but provide the firm grounding needed by application developers.
Couldn't agree more.

It's a fact (not a Myth) that Low specs and High End gaming don't go hand in hand.
You want your resources to be used by your programs (like games), not your OS(*). Therefore system with lower specs should give you better performance, also in high end games. That's the fact.

(*)Exception: When programs can't use some resources, OS can spend them as it wants to, it doesn't hurt and can help. Vista memory management (don't remember the name :p:) is a good example of well spent unused resources.

[XSAlliN]

Couldn't agree more.

You want your resources to be used by your programs (like games), not your OS(*). Therefore system with lower specs should give you better performance, also in high end games. That's the fact.

(*)Exception: When programs can't use some resources, OS can spend them as it wants to, it doesn't hurt and can help. Vista memory management (don't remember the name :p:) is a good example of well spent unused resources.

That was the case on Win XP with Win 98 capable systems. For those stuck in the past today is 14 September 2008 and no, Skynet didn't erased the human race, that was just a movie so it's safe to come out of those bunkers by now.

In other words we have systems capable for current OS and current games, yet graphics still don't compare to real life. I doubt you'd get a big improvement (if there could be any) on a High End system, since even Vista has a disable option for useless features. The only improvement that other OS can offer is not less usage but higher, since even Vista (I keep repeating myself) isn't capable of using all the potential of a system (we have Mac OS X capable of that, if only we could afford the system that comes with it). :shakes:

I see some of you talking about systems an OS as if today was '99...:confused: Well, it never hurts to remind people that 4 Gb is the new standard and no, Vista 64 bit OS is not similar to Pandora's box - or to old times XP 64 for that matter. Application run just fine and we have the needed drivers. For more information use Google or Wikipedia. I don't have the time to explain the evolution of Systems and OS in last 9 years.:google:

[m^2]

That was the case on Win XP with Win 98 capable systems. For those stuck in the past today is 14 September 2008 and no, Skynet didn't erased the human race, that was just a movie so it's safe to come out of those bunkers by now.

In other words we have systems capable for current OS and current games, yet graphics still don't compare to real life. I doubt you'd get a big improvement (if there could be any) on a High End system, since even Vista has a disable option for useless features. The only improvement that other OS can offer is not less usage but higher, since even Vista (I keep repeating myself) isn't capable of using all the potential of a system (we have Mac OS X capable of that, if only we could afford the system that comes with it). :shakes:

I see some of you talking about systems an OS as if today was '99...:confused: Well, it never hurts to remind people that 4 Gb is the new standard and no, Vista 64 bit OS is not similar to Pandora's box - or to old times XP 64 for that matter. Application run just fine and we have the needed drivers. For more information use Google or Wikipedia. I don't have the time to explain the evolution of Systems and OS in last 9 years.:google:
The fact that current computers are fast doesn't mean that OS has to waste their resources. Every noticeable difference in speed is important. Every measurable matters. If OS offers nothing but slower work, what's the reason to use it? XSOS 3 is meant to offer all Vista's features (*) people care about. While being faster. I really don't see why you don't like this.

(*) I use the word "features" not because I see so many of them, but because XSOS 3 is meant for Vista lovers. For me XSOS 2 is better.

[XSAlliN]

The fact that current computers are fast doesn't mean that OS has to waste their resources. Every noticeable difference in speed is important. Every measurable matters. If OS offers nothing but slower work, what's the reason to use it? XSOS 3 is meant to offer all Vista's features (*) people care about. While being faster. I really don't see why you don't like this.

(*) I use the word "features" not because I see so many of them, but because XSOS 3 is meant for Vista lovers. For me XSOS 2 is better.

Vista 64 is intended for those people who have more ram, since it passed the 3.x gb limitation of 32 bit Win OS. Currently I have 4 gb ram and I don't even fell like disabling some useless functions cause they only use the spare resources and since Vista isn't so well optimized to use all my resources I have plenty of those (ram related).

It's quite easy to strip Vista of unnecessary functions same as was easy with XP. The only way XSoS 3.0 could be faster, is if he on a similar engine to OS X and make better use of all resources, not just the one needed. I bought 4 Gb ram (others have 8 GB) and most applications (especially games) stop at 3 GB usage so the rest is wasted by doing nothing (had to make a Ram drive just so I feel better).


(*) I use the word "features" not because I see so many of them, but because XSOS 3 is meant for Vista lovers. For me XSOS 2 is better.


Don't you mean DX10 lovers (not Vista lovers) as in gaming with DX10 on a different OS... Cause basically that was the only point of this project.


It seems you are thinking on a much much much larger scale. The first versions of XSOS were released to some here, because if you notice the name XSOS..........meaning its focused for many of us, as we would use it more so for what it was meant for, a lean OS for benching, gaming and crunching. Not the whale that MS throws out to the masses.

You got me there, I'm not a fan of benching, cause usually those results don't reflect the system potential in gaming. They're just fun for a competition that's all. As you surely know, the systems that beat some records with LN2 are not intended for daily use. :)


I am still running XSOS 1.1 on both my machines, I can crunch all four cores, and game with no hitches. It installs fast, I can use it on a small drive if I want. I don't have the headaches/crashes and other issues that common XP installs seen/saw/have.



XSoS 2.0 was just Windows remastered with LGPL.If an application, let's say a game is poorly optimized, which leads to crashing that's not the OS fault. Don't tell me XSoS can run those games and magically fix them. By your statement XSoS has an A.I. (it should be more advanced then ours to do that by itself :shocked:) and as I remember nn_stept didn't say nothing about an A.I. feature in his OS. :confused:

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Passing beyond that S.F. moment, if the Beta started in late 2006 and it's near 2009, why did nobody post any results as prof? - let's say Crysis running at constant 40 FPS on a system that's only capable of 32 FPS and can't keep even run those stable.

And no, I'm not asking for any results, cause if that was the case this topic would be close. I was just wondering, as many did in all this time. Back then, when I made a topic on a IT forum from my country about XSoS 3.0 an all the features nn_stept mentioned about, most people (other users with advanced knowledge) mock me, thinking I was stupid to believe in that.

Looking back at that moment even I see me now, as they did back then.:( Only some members with Vista phobia felt the same way about it (WoW, on that we could play DX 10 games? - count me in.)

It passed with time, most forgot about it, but seeing this topic just opened up and old wound. Since no real news about is allowed to be posted, why not close it and move it on different page? Since XSoS 3.0 is suppose to be some kinda surprise, by not allowing nobody to release any details about it... well, I don't even care the reason behind it, but I'm really tired of false hopes, not that I have any by now but other do and that feels as a mockery to them (reminds me, of my old self back then). :(

[XSAlliN]

I am stating that I don't get random blue screens @ all, I don't get system crashes.

Those are related to "PEBKAC" - in fact, on my personal system I didn't see a blue screen or a system crash (that wasn't caused by a faulty application) since Win 98 (No, I'm not being sarcastic). I did see at some clients but with a good cause, related to faulty hardware (capacitors liking) or faulty OS usage (they used to shutdown the system by unplugging it - "that works a lot faster" - they say).

Further more, I'm not trashing anything - if you see lies or flaming stuff in my words just let me know, or let others know with "report post". And I don't make premonitions since I talk about past and present, based on facts that are visible and the ones that aren't and should be (like a Beta review or something). Don't worry, this is my last post in this topic cause obviously the truth hurts (maybe not same as the lies/false hopes did by anyway...). Have a nice day!

[Sparky]

I'm waiting on XSOS to put on all my crunching rigs. That is my intent for it. I've seen XSOS as mostly aimed at benching/crunching/etc, with some other features available. Like it might work well as a mobile OS on my laptop perhaps (I don't know if that would work well or not).

I figured it probably wouldn't be a complete replacement for my main rig, like linux can never be. Like linux, it might work fine for some people, but unless XSOS is more than I think it is, it won't work for my main rig OS for what I do but that's fine.

[Sparky]

Its not meant to replace a 24/7 OS for the avg user.

This was discussed @ the start.
<snip>

If this is in response to me, I know. I said my intent of use is for the crunchers.

[XSAlliN]

Usually I don't go beyond my word, saying that it's the last post and then make another but I'll make exception, since I feel like is needed to say that: You just give nn_step a high punch with your last post. Just read his statments regarding this project, cause you obviously don't talk about nn_step's XSoS 3.0 ( at least what he expected to be). :)

[0xNeFF]

I dont mean to be offending in any way.. but from reading this topic and all of it surrounding it.. this isnt a real OS as the developer claims it is unless the bootloader, boot image, kernel, device driver, memory scheduler, file I/O device driver and user interface is all written from scratch and doesn't contain any code, external library references or import functions from open source applications. As an OS developer this is one of the first things u learn ( read up on a few Andrew Tanenbaum books :) ).
This is nothing but a customized image of a stripped windows installation that has external resources and configurations. Like i saw some1 type somewhere outside the XS forums : Windows with a Linux Kernel ? Do you even know what a kernel does ? If so, how can u honestly say ' Windows with a Linux kernel ' ( and u spelled it ' kernAl btw ' ) ?
Stripped windows installs with custom interfaces and added/removed system components and services have been done ever since win95.

Just clarifyin' :)

:0xNeFF:

PS : http://forums.legitreviews.com/about8215.html << ' kernal '-post

[opieum]

As for the reason we didn't release a public beta, well honestly it is because the public doesn't give any feedback for improvement; let alone proper explanation of what needs to be fixed. [Phrases like "it doesn't work" Does not help us]

With all due respect nn, you may not want to blanket generalize people in that manner. That attitude won't gain any supporters. And will just cause more people to alienate this project as a whole. And since you have not released anything for this, how can you know that the public won't give you feedback? If your initial closed beta did not work, appeal to a different community for feedback. One that is more developer oriented. People with a past in community projects and feedback. (They exist)

That IMO is the way Microsoft operates and thinks, they assume noone knows anything and they know what is best for the user (Vista's initial launch failure is proof of this arrogance). Now if you indeed have Linux elements in there, then it would be more beneficial to you to have a community of experienced coders helping you refine and improve the code. Sourceforge is a good place as devs can help out. Lay out an organized roadmap. Setup advanced tools for ISO generation. That sort of thing will weed out the wheat from the chaff so to speak in terms of bug fixes and reporting.

I myself am a WINE maintainer under another alias. I do a fair amount of bug reporting with details. It has been a while since a WINE dev has come back to me asking for details on the bug itself. Generally more along the lines of how I got something to work that did not work for a number of other people. (with me having the general assumption that it would just work for everyone else)

At any rate to say that noone will give you feed back implies a complete lack of trust in the user community that would be supporting your project. Granted that there are leeches in the community for sure. But after 3 years of hyping this with nothing screenies or some kind of progress site (or a link to the "active" thread) it does not help.

Sure you can release it or threaten to not release it and then make naysayers (which seems to be alot right now) look stupid or validate them. But for what? I have seen good solid projects operate under a similar assumption and attitude as yours and fail because the user community lost interest, and felt belittled by high and mighty developers. Which caused the community to just flat out abandon the project despite how cool it was (lots of these still in their infancy)

FYI if you need some marketing help with this to get community support in the form of constructive and effective feedback that is one of my fortés. (contact me via PM) if you have something you can show the community (the developer/tester crowd) and for them to tinker with. That could be my contribution to this project. I know what you have been capable of in the past. I believe you can do this. And you are. I just see issues with the approach in terms of community relations which could sink this project just as much as developer infighting and such.

I get that community comments can be a PITA. That is the nature of the beast so to speak. One approach is just get a beta out there in the wild and get people wanting this. It will make it to the right people who will give you feed back beyond "it does not work" You may also want to start a thread with the information you would need in a bug report and delete any that do not follow that format. This will allow you to make a more efficient product and build solid community support. Or download a bugzilla VM from VMwares VM market place for free and use that. Here is a link to said VM. http://almworks.com/vbs/overview.html Now you have a solution to the bug reporting system as well. You can host this on your site if need be.

(hopefully this was constructive enough for you) ;P

[0xNeFF]

It's highly appropriate to say that something Opieum said was true. You assume that the " general public " doesn't provide you well enough support and good feedback. As for myself I've been an OS coder since I was 8 years old, wrote over 150 operating systems for all sorts of platforms ( Commodore, Sega, Nintendo, Playstation, PS2, PS3, Wii, to name a few :) ). So im pretty sure there are other people like me from " the general public " who can give u quite the feedback u need, though for that to happen u gotta open up, share and spread. Sellin' a product's idea ain't hard at all, its just up to u wether ur program / system delivers of not. If it does, trust me on the fact that at point distribution is the LAST thing u need to worry about.

:0xNeFF:

[[XC] riptide]

Who cares guys. A few of us here recently got copies to test and feedback is given. ;)

[Slovnaft]

It would be great if this could be out...you know...before DX11

But seriously, I really respect the guys who took this project on, regardless of how it turns out it's quite the abmitious venture and certainly a favor to the whole community.

[0xNeFF]

Admire the ambition, but unless u have some alien technology up ur ass I wish u the best of luck creatin a system that first of all has DX implemented, second of all runs on low profile computers, 3rd manages 9.0c and 10 on it.
Payin ppl to say they witnessed it work is 1 thing, releasin it to the general public is another :rolleyes:

[nn_step]

With all due respect nn, you may not want to blanket generalize people in that manner. That attitude won't gain any supporters. And will just cause more people to alienate this project as a whole. And since you have not released anything for this, how can you know that the public won't give you feedback? If your initial closed beta did not work, appeal to a different community for feedback. One that is more developer oriented. People with a past in community projects and feedback. (They exist)

That IMO is the way Microsoft operates and thinks, they assume noone knows anything and they know what is best for the user (Vista's initial launch failure is proof of this arrogance). Now if you indeed have Linux elements in there, then it would be more beneficial to you to have a community of experienced coders helping you refine and improve the code. Sourceforge is a good place as devs can help out. Lay out an organized roadmap. Setup advanced tools for ISO generation. That sort of thing will weed out the wheat from the chaff so to speak in terms of bug fixes and reporting.

I myself am a WINE maintainer under another alias. I do a fair amount of bug reporting with details. It has been a while since a WINE dev has come back to me asking for details on the bug itself. Generally more along the lines of how I got something to work that did not work for a number of other people. (with me having the general assumption that it would just work for everyone else)

At any rate to say that noone will give you feed back implies a complete lack of trust in the user community that would be supporting your project. Granted that there are leeches in the community for sure. But after 3 years of hyping this with nothing screenies or some kind of progress site (or a link to the "active" thread) it does not help.

Sure you can release it or threaten to not release it and then make naysayers (which seems to be alot right now) look stupid or validate them. But for what? I have seen good solid projects operate under a similar assumption and attitude as yours and fail because the user community lost interest, and felt belittled by high and mighty developers. Which caused the community to just flat out abandon the project despite how cool it was (lots of these still in their infancy)

FYI if you need some marketing help with this to get community support in the form of constructive and effective feedback that is one of my fortés. (contact me via PM) if you have something you can show the community (the developer/tester crowd) and for them to tinker with. That could be my contribution to this project. I know what you have been capable of in the past. I believe you can do this. And you are. I just see issues with the approach in terms of community relations which could sink this project just as much as developer infighting and such.

I get that community comments can be a PITA. That is the nature of the beast so to speak. One approach is just get a beta out there in the wild and get people wanting this. It will make it to the right people who will give you feed back beyond "it does not work" You may also want to start a thread with the information you would need in a bug report and delete any that do not follow that format. This will allow you to make a more efficient product and build solid community support. Or download a bugzilla VM from VMwares VM market place for free and use that. Here is a link to said VM. http://almworks.com/vbs/overview.html Now you have a solution to the bug reporting system as well. You can host this on your site if need be.

(hopefully this was constructive enough for you) ;P
actually yes It is very constructive and I appreciated your input. As for refusing to release to the general public, that is just natural given the youth of this project. [xsos 1 and xsos 2 have already been released to the general public]

[0xNeFF]

seeing is believing :rolleyes:

[karmeck]

You did not think I forget to post again did ya? How is it going?

[Jamesrt2004]

seeing is believing :rolleyes:

:down: comments like this is just sad tbh. If you have such a problem with what users are doing on this forum go elsewhere or go have a go at it yourself. Some things people said in this thread would just make me give up and be like "sod you all then".

[billdavis]

nn ill beta test

but i will always be using the latest and greatest hardware so drivers will be a B....

[Slovnaft]

nn, I haven't been able to find XSOS 2 anywhere, mind shooting a link or something?

[Jamesrt2004]

nn, I haven't been able to find XSOS 2 anywhere, mind shooting a link or something?

PM him asking for it he was very helpful when I asked :)

[Speederlander]

:down: comments like this is just sad tbh.
Without weighing in on the validity of XSOS, why is such a statement "sad"? People on XS make such demands of proof/evidence/etc. ALL THE TIME regarding claims made by both software and hardware makers. I see comments much less tame being leveled in xtreme news when AMD or Intel or MS or anyone makes claims of great things (and has not nn_step stated repeatedly that he works for MS?). The rule is, if you make a public claim there is an implied obligation to back it up to a reasonable level of satisfaction. It's as simple as that. The argument is implied in these threads (over and over) that when someone does something "for the community" they should be above being questioned or having to make a strong case. Why is that? To be honest, the open source community would never tolerate such a thing. If the same claims that have been made here and are so vigorously defended by a few were made on other major sites, detailed evidence would have to be presented as to the veracity of the claims or it would get ugly fast. Especially since it is Microsoft that we are talking about.

Again, I'm not saying whether anything is true or false about XSOS, but I have watched this thread and so many just like it end up the same way. Pointed and often valid questions are asked, followed by groupies shouting them down with cries of "How dare you question!". Where does this come from? Nowhere else, with paid or open source software, do I see this kind of push against hard questions.

But whatever.

[NidStyles]

Working for a company such as MS, does not mean he himself represent's MS in this regard.

The guy could be a 'broom tech' for all we know. I've never met him, and can't vouch for him. I've been programming since '89. This is the first I've heard of this XSOS. Of course I have neve really paid attention to this site before now either. Have had a bit of time on my hand's lately, and got interested in TEC cooling.

I've worked on various Linux projects involving distrubuted computing, and even worked on ReactOS when it was first starting out.

From bootstrap to first boot it took me about 5 week's to write a rudimentary OS that would handle a basic 32bit filesytem. It doesn't take a year to get that far unless you are dealing with a huge subset of driver's which in that case you'd want a large group of "decently knowledgable" beta tester's.

My uncle has been beta testing for MS for the better part of 17 year's now. All it is testing driver's and compatibility. Even game testing usually take's longer.

My opinion shall remain my own, because I know how this goes most of the time when writing from scratch. This isn't from scratch, this seem's more like registry optimization at the core level. Something is amiss and NN isn't speaking for some reason. As for the comment's toward's me that are negative, and I know they will come, grow up. This is criticism in a light of professionalism. If you are going to do something, do it, then speak about it. If you are doing it publicly then be open about the hang-up's you are having, otherwise understand most people will laugh at you and say you're full of it.

I did come accross 2.02 though on rapidshare, and I am about to give that a go on my old Sempron.

[karmeck]

Without weighing in on the validity of XSOS, why is such a statement "sad"? People on XS make such demands of proof/evidence/etc. ALL THE TIME regarding claims made by both software and hardware makers. I see comments much less tame being leveled in xtreme news when AMD or Intel or MS or anyone makes claims of great things (and has not nn_step stated repeatedly that he works for MS?). The rule is, if you make a public claim there is an implied obligation to back it up to a reasonable level of satisfaction. It's as simple as that. The argument is implied in these threads (over and over) that when someone does something "for the community" they should be above being questioned or having to make a strong case. Why is that? To be honest, the open source community would never tolerate such a thing. If the same claims that have been made here and are so vigorously defended by a few were made on other major sites, detailed evidence would have to be presented as to the veracity of the claims or it would get ugly fast. Especially since it is Microsoft that we are talking about.

Again, I'm not saying whether anything is true or false about XSOS, but I have watched this thread and so many just like it end up the same way. Pointed and often valid questions are asked, followed by groupies shouting them down with cries of "How dare you question!". Where does this come from? Nowhere else, with paid or open source software, do I see this kind of push against hard questions.

But whatever.

You write what i think, thank you.

[Jamesrt2004]

Without weighing in on the validity of XSOS, why is such a statement "sad"? People on XS make such demands of proof/evidence/etc. ALL THE TIME regarding claims made by both software and hardware makers. I see comments much less tame being leveled in xtreme news when AMD or Intel or MS or anyone makes claims of great things (and has not nn_step stated repeatedly that he works for MS?). The rule is, if you make a public claim there is an implied obligation to back it up to a reasonable level of satisfaction. It's as simple as that. The argument is implied in these threads (over and over) that when someone does something "for the community" they should be above being questioned or having to make a strong case. Why is that? To be honest, the open source community would never tolerate such a thing. If the same claims that have been made here and are so vigorously defended by a few were made on other major sites, detailed evidence would have to be presented as to the veracity of the claims or it would get ugly fast. Especially since it is Microsoft that we are talking about.

Again, I'm not saying whether anything is true or false about XSOS, but I have watched this thread and so many just like it end up the same way. Pointed and often valid questions are asked, followed by groupies shouting them down with cries of "How dare you question!". Where does this come from? Nowhere else, with paid or open source software, do I see this kind of push against hard questions.

But whatever.

I agree with you completely it's fine and a good thing when people ask questions etc. but there's asking questions about things then there's people just being damn rude about it and just putting the efforts down, even if it comes to nothing even if its true or isn't true fact is, we shouldn't bash the efforts of someone else,

[Speederlander]

I agree with you completely it's fine and a good thing when people ask questions etc. but there's asking questions about things then there's people just being damn rude about it and just putting the efforts down, even if it comes to nothing even if its true or isn't true fact is, we shouldn't bash the efforts of someone else,

My comments are:
1. Over the last maybe year and a half, over many threads, just about every pointed technical question or direct request for specifics or expression of doubt got either called unfair, rude, attacked etc., and never got answered.
2. If it's NOT true (one of your listed set of possible outcomes), that is something that would have to be examined because a lot of people would have been seriously misled and the OS was pirated all along. Again, I am not saying this is the case, just responding to your statement.

My position is, be open. From the sig of the project owner, "be open to the point of promiscuity", yes? If you are not going to be open, then handle requests you can't/won't answer in a way consistent with a professional organization. We are told that Microsoft is the company behind XSOS. This runs counter to everything we have come to expect from MS, on many levels, so it should be expected that some serious questioning will occur. We should expect, if MS is the "owner" of XSOS, to see some hint of that fact in the professionalism and quality of response, yes?

As far as people being rude, I see far far more "rudeness" in AMD vs Intel threads, in every thread on pirating, in most threads (esp in XS News) on Vista, Windows 7 or even MS in general. In short, XSOS should be treated no better or worse than any other topic. Have you ever seen the fights that break out on linux forums? And most of those people are purely in it for the community.

I am not going to rehash the common list of issues people have with this because I really don't care anymore, and apparently some behind-the-scenes discussions convinced some people of the legitimacy of the project. But I do care about the shouting down of people who ask serious questions by a core group of supporters of this project, especially since the information known to a few was not provided to the community at large. XSOS is not a "shut your mouth and be happy for the help" topic on XS. People can ask hard questions and they have every right to expect an answer.

[nn_step]

My comments are:
1. Over the last maybe year and a half, over many threads, just about every pointed technical question or direct request for specifics or expression of doubt got either called unfair, rude, attacked etc., and never got answered.
2. If it's NOT true (one of your listed set of possible outcomes), that is something that would have to be examined because a lot of people would have been seriously misled and the OS was pirated all along. Again, I am not saying this is the case, just responding to your statement.

My position is, be open. From the sig of the project owner, "be open to the point of promiscuity", yes? If you are not going to be open, then handle requests you can't/won't answer in a way consistent with a professional organization. We are told that Microsoft is the company behind XSOS. This runs counter to everything we have come to expect from MS, on many levels, so it should be expected that some serious questioning will occur. We should expect, if MS is the "owner" of XSOS, to see some hint of that fact in the professionalism and quality of response, yes?

As far as people being rude, I see far far more "rudeness" in AMD vs Intel threads, in every thread on pirating, in most threads (esp in XS News) on Vista, Windows 7 or even MS in general. In short, XSOS should be treated no better or worse than any other topic. Have you ever seen the fights that break out on linux forums? And most of those people are purely in it for the community.

I am not going to rehash the common list of issues people have with this because I really don't care anymore, and apparently some behind-the-scenes discussions convinced some people of the legitimacy of the project. But I do care about the shouting down of people who ask serious questions by a core group of supporters of this project, especially since the information known to a few was not provided to the community at large. XSOS is not a "shut your mouth and be happy for the help" topic on XS. People can ask hard questions and they have every right to expect an answer.

personal opinions have little baring on current legal responsibility detailed with the project.
Given my current job charter of having a "low key test group" is not going to work well with some of my beliefs in open source application development.
As for issues with responding to questions and the like; I've been flooded with requests and questions which even my Grandma knew and am working as fast as I can.

[karmeck]

And time goose on and still no news on Xsos 3. Dx10 was not really that big of a hit as I thought then I first learned about xsos 3, so don't really need it any more but would still like to see it be done.

[XSAlliN]

But DX10 games work on XP now, so no worries there. ;)

[RazzleUltra]

Really?

[[XC] riptide]

ya... lol in DX9 mode.

[XSAlliN]

Really! :) Try this KM-Software DirectX10 (http://www.brothersoft.com/km-software-directx10-download-197601.html)


DX10 Allows you to run DX10 games"
BS Editor: During the long search for a method of linking DirectX10 for Windows XP has found a way to replace tables import system DLL of Windows Vista, which allowed very close to solving the problem of launch DX10-compatible programs.And to achieve a marked increase in speed and quality graphics in games!

Features

* DirectX10 Windows XP Allows you to use DirectX10 on Windows XP
* DX10 Allows you to run DX10 games
* Improves schedule
* Enhances performance
* Improves compatibility

[RazzleUltra]

Really! :) Try this KM-Software DirectX10 (http://www.brothersoft.com/km-software-directx10-download-197601.html)

Thank god for that. I'm always struggling to allowed very close to solving the problem of launch DX10-compatible programs.

Can't really test it myself as I'm on Vista, but has anyone got first hand experience of this running a game in DX10 rendering mode?

[Boogerlad]

guys, from a thread on xs, i heard that it is just a stripped and modified version of windows server 2008.

[EniGmA1987]

and where did you hear that?

[Jamesrt2004]

the 2008 beta wasn't even out so good one there :)

[Warboy]

guys, from a thread on xs, i heard that it is just a stripped and modified version of windows server 2008.

Wth? This is XS.

[Boogerlad]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/group.php?groupid=2 not exactly a thread.

[karmeck]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/group.php?groupid=2 not exactly a thread.

nice find, anyone els seen that they say "activated" as if you have to activate xsos 3.

[nn_step]

nice find, anyone els seen that they say "activated" as if you have to activate xsos 3.

XSOS never has and never will require activation.

[RaZz!]

nn_step, will there be a public release of xsos 3 anytime in the near future? i'm just wondering as i'm really looking forward to it.

[nn_step]

nn_step, will there be a public release of xsos 3 anytime in the near future? i'm just wondering as i'm really looking forward to it.

unfortunately because of unforeseen problems, development is proceeding at a reduced pace and will arrive later than originally expected.

[RaZz!]

too bad. nonetheless, thanks for the heads up and good luck for further development! :)

[Order]

Thanks for the update. I was wondering how this was progressing.

[alpha0ne]

unfortunately because of unforeseen problems, development is proceeding at a reduced pace and will arrive later than originally expected.

Thanks for the update :up:

[karmeck]

Thanks for the update :up:

He did not really saying anything about a date tho. :(

[NightCrawler™]

By the time XSOS3 gets released everyone will be using Win7 and DX11...
I really believed this new OS to be released any time soon.. but I'm really having doubts it will ever see the day of light..

[karmeck]

any news?

[EniGmA1987]

There was news a couple months ago in the "news" forums. Supposedly Microsoft put the project on hold "for now"

[[XC] riptide]

Its gone. Maybe we should get this closed?

[bot@xs]

maybe they will use splashtop instead

[enteon]

maybe they will use splashtop instead

wtf? splashtop is linux, no way microsoft will officially and directly support this. or the other way around no way that every vista software will run on it any time soon ;)


anyway, too bad xsos3 is dead :(

[masterofpuppets]

Vaporware :rolleyes:

[Speederlander]

Vaporware :rolleyes:

Was it even that?

[EniGmA1987]

no, lots of people around here had a beta of it.

[Speederlander]

no, lots of people around here had a beta of it.

Beta of what exactly?
MS was going to effectively give away (that's what the "honor system" is on the internet) a windows compatible linux hybrid OS that got rid of that pesky DRM and enabled DX10? Just for XS people? And they used nnstep as their public face on the project? K.

Name and phone extension at MS for confirmation? :shrug:

Anyone PM it to me. If it's valid I'll happily post I was wrong.

[Boogerlad]

xsos 3 is a stripped server 08 install. That's it.

[Ashraf]

XSOS is dead. Thread closed.