List of components - your thoughts please

[taylormsj]

This is what ive come up with for a first time water cooler, gonna be cooling just the CPU for now (will be a Q6600 or a new quad), but i want the ability to add a gpu and/or a nb block without having to upgrade the pump and rad.

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=603- D-Tek fusion

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=375 - Black ice GT stealth 2

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=594 - 12 V Laing DDC 1 10 w with top

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=644 - D Tek nozzles

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=303 - T splitter

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=480 - Feser one (how much do i need)

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=134 - Tubing (how much do i need)

Ive also got things like wormdives, barbs, some velcro pads for pump mounting and radiator mounting kits in my basket.

How will this lot perform (going for 1/2 " tubing)

Is the cpu block good for the price, or is there better at the same price range.

How is that radiator? Is there betetr for the price?

Is the pump powerfull enough?

Im very open to suggestions, im in the UK so UK shops would be appreciated

[Waterlogged]

The rad sucks. It is the most restrictive rad in both airflow and water flow. I don't know what fans you plan on using, but be prepared to use fans that have a minimum of 70-80CFM when running @ 7v for decent performance.

This (http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=3799&cat=681&page=1) would be a better choice to start with, and yes, you will need a 3 fan rad to handle the future load you intend to put on the loop. Another, better choice would be a Thermochill PA120.3 which you can get direct from the manufacturer as they are UK based.

[systemviper]

Personally I have found working with this company to be a good expierience, they have several kits for most every start up need. I used a all swiftech solution at first but now i am getting more specialized components.

take a look there r some great combo's here.....

http://www.petrastechshop.com/wacoki.html

Opps sorry not UK but with the internet, everywhere is close, lol

[karl_eller]

Instead of the Black Ice GT Stealth, I would instead pick up either a Swiftech MCR220 QP Or MCR320 QP. The Swiftech MCR radiators are lower restriction than the BI GT Stealth, while also dissipating more heat.

For coolant, I would just get some PT Nuke Biocide, and a dye colour of choice. You don't have any mixed metals in your loop, so you don't need a corrosion inhibitor, and most additives end up LOWERING the thermal conductivity of the water.

Also, think about getting a reservoir instead of a T-line, especially if this is your first water cooling loop. T-lines are supposed to be a LOT harder to bleed, and are really only used when space is at a premium.

For the pump, try and get either the 18 Watt version, or else a D5.

Eller

[taylormsj]

Ok, so ill swap out the radiator for this one

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-020-SW&groupid=701&catid=193&subcat=1041

Is a triple rad realy needed?

Also this rad '3/8" NPT threaded hubs, for maximum compatibility with various tubing installations.'
Does this mean it comes with 3/8" barbs, so i dont need to buy any, and the NPT worries me because i need BSP right?

Ill most probably get the laing 18 W version.

or maybe this

http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=2837&cat=537&page=1

Is that a good performing pump?

Is the CPU block good? Is the Apogee GTX better or worse?

Also, having a resvoir, i dotn understand how i would drain a system, if someone could indicate how i would do this id be gratefull

thanks for any more help.

(o BTW i was on a budget of under £150, i think its gone now with the 18 W pump)

[Xilikon]

Avoid the Apogee GTX due to the aluminium top.

For the radiator, it just mean it has a threaded hole of 3/8" NPT so you need to find a NPT fitting, which is not widespread unfortunately. However, I doubt this is accurate since the current generation come with 1/4" BSPP so check with the store about that.

the MCP655 is also a great pump so it's up to you but don't spend over 50 pounds for a pump (it's the current pricing around here in North America).

[taylormsj]

Ok thansk for your help, any hlep on the resevoir? How would i drain a system?

What if i cant get that radiator with 1/4" BSPP, so i look for a different radiator? Or just use 3/8 tubing?

Thanks

[taylormsj]

bump :D

[pattherat111]

take the res out of the case and place in a bucket pull the tubing off it only one barb and let it run into the bucket

correct me if im wrong

[taylormsj]

Thanks for that,

Can someone help me - do i realy need the MCR320 for just a quad (and maybe an 8800GT later on)

Or would a MCR220 suffice. Does anyone know how much heat these can dissipate and how much a quad and GT produces? Thanks

[Xilikon]

For a quad only, a MCR220 is ok but if you add the video card, then a MCR320 would be recommended. The thing with watercooling planning is to always try to overshoot a bit instead of buying just what is needed then curse later when it doesn't do the job and waste money upgrading.

[taylormsj]

hmmmm yeh you've got a point, how heavy is the thing, would it be stable at the back of my case using one radbox?

I might mount it on the top of my case, then the weight wont realy matter.

Also what the best size nozzle to use on a d tek fusion, and what temperature difference is there? Are they worth buying?

[Waterlogged]

Can a 220 cool a quad? Yes, but your temps will be a little higher or your loop will be a little louder. Can it cool a quad and 8800GT? Maybe, but I doubt you'd like the temps at all and I guarantee the loop will be louder than you want it to be.

Where does that leave you?......with at least the MCR320QP, like I stated in my original post.

Don't worry about not getting the rad with 1/4" NPSM (will work with G1/4) fittings, they've been that way long enough that all the major vendors should be selling them by now. If your buy it from a walk-in store and they have one on the shelf that has a few mm of dust on it, keep walking, as it might be one of the older 3/8" NPT threaded models.

[taylormsj]

Yeh i reckon ill go with it, theres only two sites i found it on, the one form special tech and the one form overclockers, the one from overclcokers is like £7 cheaper than special tech, but its out of stock, any one know of another place that is stocking them at the moment? (UK)

Will a BSPP G 1/4" to 1/2" barb screw into a NPSM socket ok?

[Waterlogged]

Yes, you'll be fine with that fitting. :up:

[taylormsj]

Thanks for all of your help

How is this for my final set up before i start to buy

D tek fusion + Quad nozzle
Swiftech MCP665
MCRES micro resevoir
Swiftech 320 QP
1/2" tubing

Also, does the rediator come with a rad box, or do these need to be bought seperatly, or are they easily made DIY.

[mildseven7]

1/2" tubing is a huge tube, i rather use 3/8" Tubing for balance.

[Jedda]

Thanks for all of your help

How is this for my final set up before i start to buy

D tek fusion + Quad nozzle
Swiftech MCP665
MCRES micro resevoir
Swiftech 320 QP
1/2" tubing

Also, does the rediator come with a rad box, or do these need to be bought seperatly, or are they easily made DIY.

Bought separately. You can make stand off brackets DIY
I'd recommend 7/16" tube on your 1/2" barbs. Better case airflow, bend radius, tighter joins, minimal temp difference etc

[Red Evil]

Dont forget fans for the rad. Yate loons are good and cheap.

[Jedda]

Dont forget fans for the rad. Yate loons are good and cheap.

+1:up:

If we're at that level, we'd better mention checking you've included all your barbs and clips, TIM, distilled water (8-10 liters) and additives.
I'd get the res top tapped too, if its coming from PTS or one of the others that'll do it.

[mildseven7]

If space and $ allow, get the thermochill Rad, it has a Bleeding screw, make bleeding lot easier. Its very difficult to bleed the air in the rad.

[taylormsj]

Ive got fans that will do for now, i dotn think i can get yate loons in the UK.

I have all the barbs etc.. in my shopping basket, i also have TIM already.

How much coolant do i need? 10 liters seems loads.

I think ill get the 7/16 tubing too

EDIT

Turns out i can get yate loons form UK

http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=3780

What the big deal with these fans, the one i posted looks like it has a very poor CFM - DBA ratio

EDIT

O i see, that was the low version, however the Mid and High fans dont seem to impressive either, what makes them special?

Also how much tubing would i need for a single cpu loop, mounitng the rad on the back of the casein a CM 690