AMD 64 X2 6400+ vs Intel E6750.

[nomad3700]

I got a quick question here... I am trying to upgrade my PC right now from an AMD3700+ to a new gaming PC.

I have two main CPUs, I am looking at considering mainly price range.

Anyone have any suggestions on this

ttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000340343%201389627502%201266316752%204017&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16819115029%2CN82E16819103191 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000340343%201389627502%201266316752%204017&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16819115029%2CN82E16819103191)

I cant seem to figure which is better.. they both seem to be on par with each other.

[zanzabar]

the intel is better, and it has more ocability u can get that up to like 3.2-3.6 on air with a p35 or x38 chipset

[Lightman]

Well, for X2 6400+ you need a cooler, but with Thermaltake Ultra 120 Extreme you can do 3,5GHz on air as well.... (not that performance will be same)

It's a tricky choice if you prefer AMD but don't mind Intel.
It's straightforward choice if you don't have any preferences and can spend a bit more on board....


PS. I'm happy on my 3.5GHz Windsor, but can't do more than 14K+ in 3DMark06.... Games are great though :)

[Jacky]

Excuse my ignorance but are those 3.5ghz K8s prime stable? Some time ago I have seen 3.5ghz+ K8s in the AMD section but no stability tests were shown.

[Brian MP5T]

Get the Intel because it uses the 775 Socket which will allow you to upgrade in the future.

Plus the E6750 is a 1333 FSB CPU Native. I just sold mine to upgrade, but it was stable on air at 1600 FSB with no issues or Hangs ever. I loved that CPU.

[JWilson]

AMD vs Intel: Going Head-to-Head! (http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sisubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=40;t=000290)

[Lightman]

Excuse my ignorance but are those 3.5ghz K8s prime stable? Some time ago I have seen 3.5ghz+ K8s in the AMD section but no stability tests were shown.

Well I can play games, ran 3DMarks, render, convert and so on @3500Mhz 1.5V on AIR. Mind you I'm using 6000+ and 6400 are cut from better silicon....

[informal]

Excuse my ignorance but are those 3.5ghz K8s prime stable? Some time ago I have seen 3.5ghz+ K8s in the AMD section but no stability tests were shown.

Yes they are.Visit this section more often.

[mstp2009]

Get the Intel because it uses the 775 Socket which will allow you to upgrade in the future.

Plus the E6750 is a 1333 FSB CPU Native. I just sold mine to upgrade, but it was stable on air at 1600 FSB with no issues or Hangs ever. I loved that CPU.

Agreed.

Both platforms you pick (S775 and AM2+) will have upgrade potential for faster CPUs for you (quads, etc.), but right now if you are considering a new rig there are 2 factors you need to look at: 1) overclockability - Intel clearly wins this right now on current chips, and the 45nm chips look to extend that lead. 2) performance compared on a clock for clock basis - Intel also wins here, but by less of a margin than they did compared to K8.


I was REALLY hoping that AMD would give me a good reason to try Phenom, but the benchmarks out right now just don't show that the purchase could be justified for anyone but the most die-hard AMD fans.

I'm not going to tell you to wait for the B3 stepping of Phenom either, as we've been "waiting" on AMD to bring to goods for almost a year now.


Get the E6750, OC it to 3.5-3.8GHz w/ a good air cooler like the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, and you will be very happy. In a year or two, you can just drop in a 45nm Penryn Quad, and you will be even happier.

[Piotrsama]

Funny how people give a 2.66 to 3.4 (or even more) Ghz for granted.

[duploxxx]

Get the Intel because it uses the 775 Socket which will allow you to upgrade in the future.

Plus the E6750 is a 1333 FSB CPU Native. I just sold mine to upgrade, but it was stable on air at 1600 FSB with no issues or Hangs ever. I loved that CPU.

right since when is a 775 the facto reason so you can upgrade...

i'll give a hint. how was the support again for the 975 chipset or you bought a 965 last year not to mention 945. only 1 year old and no longer support for cpu's so forget the crap... intel screwed everybody with there awfull amount of chipsets, the stupid part is that so many people fell for it and actually always bought a new one....

since the 1333fsb the oc limit is lower unless you have decent board.

Agreed.

Both platforms you pick (S775 and AM2+) will have upgrade potential for faster CPUs for you (quads, etc.), but right now if you are considering a new rig there are 2 factors you need to look at: 1) overclockability - Intel clearly wins this right now on current chips, and the 45nm chips look to extend that lead. 2) performance compared on a clock for clock basis - Intel also wins here, but by less of a margin than they did compared to K8.


I was REALLY hoping that AMD would give me a good reason to try Phenom, but the benchmarks out right now just don't show that the purchase could be justified for anyone but the most die-hard AMD fans.

I'm not going to tell you to wait for the B3 stepping of Phenom either, as we've been "waiting" on AMD to bring to goods for almost a year now.


Get the E6750, OC it to 3.5-3.8GHz w/ a good air cooler like the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, and you will be very happy. In a year or two, you can just drop in a 45nm Penryn Quad, and you will be even happier.

upgrade will depend on what intel will do with there nehalem design downgrade for desktop.

could say the same thing offcourse for am2+ with ddr3 comming along, but fact remains that fx790 is a much better board then any intel offering specs/power/price.

choose now? take a 5000+ black with the new board and upgrade in q1 2008, it will only cost you 120eur for a wonderfull oc'ing cpu. that's 60eurless not to mention the price of a decent intel mobo

[mstp2009]

Funny how people give a 2.66 to 3.4 (or even more) Ghz for granted.

Show me a C2D (not quad) that can't hit that and I will show you a user that:
1) is a n00b at overclocking
2) picked the wrong MB or...
3) has poor cooling


Sorry, but 3.4GHz on a G0 stepping is practically a given if you have an IQ above 80.

[mstp2009]

right since when is a 775 the facto reason so you can upgrade...

i'll give a hint. how was the support again for the 975 chipset or you bought a 965 last year not to mention 945. only 1 year old and no longer support for cpu's so forget the crap... intel screwed everybody with there awfull amount of chipsets, the stupid part is that so many people fell for it and actually always bought a new one....

since the 1333fsb the oc limit is lower unless you have decent board.



upgrade will depend on what intel will do with there nehalem design downgrade for desktop.

could say the same thing offcourse for am2+ with ddr3 comming along, but fact remains that fx790 is a much better board then any intel offering specs/power/price.

choose now? take a 5000+ black with the new board and upgrade in q1 2008, it will only cost you 120eur for a wonderfull oc'ing cpu. that's 60eurless not to mention the price of a decent intel mobo

ABIT P35 is about $70 US and overclocks BEAUTIFULLY. Also has all the features you need NOW and you get performance NOW out of a C2D. Don't have to wait on AMD to fix Phenom.

[IvanAndreevich]

Without fanboyism, E6750 is a far better chip. Especially with overclocking in mind. If you want it to last as long as your 3700+ spend a bit more and get a Q6600.

[gundersausage]

I got a quick question here... I am trying to upgrade my PC right now from an AMD3700+ to a new gaming PC.

I have two main CPUs, I am looking at considering mainly price range.

Anyone have any suggestions on this

ttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000340343%201389627502%201266316752%204017&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16819115029%2CN82E16819103191 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000340343%201389627502%201266316752%204017&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16819115029%2CN82E16819103191)

I cant seem to figure which is better.. they both seem to be on par with each other.
The sig says it all.. and Wolfdale cometh.. beware the beast

[brewer265]

right since when is a 775 the facto reason so you can upgrade...

i'll give a hint. how was the support again for the 975 chipset or you bought a 965 last year not to mention 945. only 1 year old and no longer support for cpu's so forget the crap... intel screwed everybody with there awfull amount of chipsets, the stupid part is that so many people fell for it and actually always bought a new one....

since the 1333fsb the oc limit is lower unless you have decent board.



upgrade will depend on what intel will do with there nehalem design downgrade for desktop.

could say the same thing offcourse for am2+ with ddr3 comming along, but fact remains that fx790 is a much better board then any intel offering specs/power/price.

choose now? take a 5000+ black with the new board and upgrade in q1 2008, it will only cost you 120eur for a wonderfull oc'ing cpu. that's 60eurless not to mention the price of a decent intel mobo


it looks like all the Asus 965 chipset mobos will support 45 nm cpu's and even the P5W DH (975 chipset) will support them.:)

[railmeat]

i went from 3700sd to opty 165 (@2.8)then to conroe.blew the opty away...

[Brian MP5T]

right since when is a 775 the facto reason so you can upgrade...

i'll give a hint. how was the support again for the 975 chipset or you bought a 965 last year not to mention 945. only 1 year old and no longer support for cpu's so forget the crap... intel screwed everybody with there awfull amount of chipsets, the stupid part is that so many people fell for it and actually always bought a new one....

since the 1333fsb the oc limit is lower unless you have decent board.


I think you are confused.. Having one socket for 4+ years of chip generations is awesome. Think about how easily you will be able to find parts for an old Intel rig in 5 to 10 years.. Anyone who has a Pentium D can simply buy an off the shelf Q6600 and be current for just over $240.00..

Very Exciting Stuff..

[duploxxx]

I think you are confused.. Having one socket for 4+ years of chip generations is awesome. Think about how easily you will be able to find parts for an old Intel rig in 5 to 10 years.. Anyone who has a Pentium D can simply buy an off the shelf Q6600 and be current for just over $240.00..

Very Exciting Stuff..

right, except most of those pentium D owners will have a board without the new VRM required for c2d, not to mention all the fsb limitations depending on the board and manufacturer

it looks like all the Asus 965 chipset mobos will support 45 nm cpu's and even the P5W DH (975 chipset) will support them.:)

any decent link accept for it looks like....

ABIT P35 is about $70 US and overclocks BEAUTIFULLY. Also has all the features you need NOW and you get performance NOW out of a C2D. Don't have to wait on AMD to fix Phenom.

link to that also.... lowest i can find is 115

[brewer265]

right, except most of those pentium D owners will have a board without the new VRM required for c2d, not to mention all the fsb limitations depending on the board and manufacturer



any decent link accept for it looks like....



link to that also.... lowest i can find is 115

http://event.asus.com/mb/45nm/

[Brian MP5T]

right, except most of those pentium D owners will have a board without the new VRM required for c2d, not to mention all the fsb limitations depending on the board and manufacturer


1066 FSB is supported throughout.. I don't think I was trying to imply anything except that it uses the same socket and that is a positive for universality...

Is there some sort of mental block going on...

[mstp2009]

link to that also.... lowest i can find is 115

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127031

Actually $60 AR right now.

Sure, no RAID or SLI, but it overclocks well and is dirt cheap.


EDIT - out of stock now, was in stock as of this morning (and Newegg has had it for $70 for the last couple months).

[mstp2009]

any decent link accept for it looks like....


Go to the Intel forum. Larrywild in the P5W DH main thread posted the 45nm BIOS support 4 months ago. The chips will run just fine on the 975X chipset, giving those boards a LOT of extra life.

[EvilBellyLint]

right since when is a 775 the facto reason so you can upgrade...

i'll give a hint. how was the support again for the 975 chipset or you bought a 965 last year not to mention 945. only 1 year old and no longer support for cpu's so forget the crap... intel screwed everybody with there awfull amount of chipsets, the stupid part is that so many people fell for it and actually always bought a new one....

since the 1333fsb the oc limit is lower unless you have decent board.



upgrade will depend on what intel will do with there nehalem design downgrade for desktop.

could say the same thing offcourse for am2+ with ddr3 comming along, but fact remains that fx790 is a much better board then any intel offering specs/power/price.

choose now? take a 5000+ black with the new board and upgrade in q1 2008, it will only cost you 120eur for a wonderfull oc'ing cpu. that's 60eurless not to mention the price of a decent intel mobo

Exactly what I ended up doing.

Ordered a 5000+ Windsor Black Edition (w/free Call of Juarez game) for $99,
along with the very biznitchin MSI K9A2 Platinum (970FX chipset) for $175.

Had already bought the Sapphire HD 3870 for $219 @ newegg the moment
they went on sale... (need to get one more :D ) Will have fun tweaking my
Ghetto-Spider rig while I wait for a legitimate Phenom revision in Q1 of 2008.

Soon after, it'll be time to see what Nehalem can do...

Good times ahead. :up:


EBL

[duploxxx]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127031

Actually $60 AR right now.

Sure, no RAID or SLI, but it overclocks well and is dirt cheap.


EDIT - out of stock now, was in stock as of this morning (and Newegg has had it for $70 for the last couple months).

deactivated product.....

and approx 90$ or higher on all other sites

http://computers.pricegrabber.com/motherboards/m/40997313/

[sirheck]

I have been wondering the same.
Go amd or intel?

I have an am2 mobo just sitting and am thinking about something
like the 6400 black or aleast the 5000 black.
Just cant see the 5000 black edition beating my x2 4400.

I am currently running a s939 x2 4400 oc,ed to 2620mhz
and either it or my psu is bottlnecking me.

I score only 500 more points in benchies like the 3dmarks 05 and 06
With my 8800gts 640mb and my 8800gtx:shrug:

[mstp2009]

deactivated product.....

and approx 90$ or higher on all other sites

http://computers.pricegrabber.com/motherboards/m/40997313/

Listen, I'm not trying to start a SPAT here, but you are simply wrong in your assertion that there are not good OCing boards for the 775 platform at decent costs.

Here is the abit board that REPLACES the first one I linked:
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA24443

Less than $60 after rebate. DARN FINE DEAL.


EDIT - and THAT ONE IS IN STOCK.

[Eversor]

I got a quick question here... I am trying to upgrade my PC right now from an AMD3700+ to a new gaming PC.

I have two main CPUs, I am looking at considering mainly price range.

Anyone have any suggestions on this

ttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000340343%201389627502%201266316752%204017&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16819115029%2CN82E16819103191 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000340343%201389627502%201266316752%204017&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16819115029%2CN82E16819103191)

I cant seem to figure which is better.. they both seem to be on par with each other.

The E6750 should be faster in most stuff and it has the very useful single-cycle SSE3, the 6400+ isn't no slouch tough.

The AM2+ platform should have a more rosy future tough, as AM3 cpu's will work with DDR2 in AM2+ mobos, so 2009 cpu's should work in AM2+ mobos. They have both DDR2 & DDR3 controllers, you only need an AM2+ board with 8Mbit bios chip. Some leaked AMD slides confirmed this. The same is true for AM2 boards, if they have the 8Mbit BIOS chip.

Tough I have a Core 2, now I would buy something like a 6000+ or a 5000+ black edition and a proper AM2+ board. Or a cheap 9500 phenom. My experience with 775 boards has been horrible to say the least.

[Brother Esau]

The D.F.I 790FX M2R Boasts a "8"mb SST 49LF080A.