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im thinking bout moving to a 64bit platform so i can up my memory.
is one better then the other? which would you guys prefer?:confused:
OS-Wiz
11-20-2007, 10:16 PM
Well, 32-bit Vista has the same limitation on memory use as does WinXP SP2. I've been Vista64 for about a month now, no problems and the driver situation is OK. There are good drivers for everything you see in my sig. Adobe hasn't come up with a 64-bit version of their Flash Player yet so I use 32-bit IE when I need Flash support and 64-bit IE for everything else.
zanzabar
11-20-2007, 10:46 PM
xp x64 gets drivers last and if u have a good system vista runs great and can match xp performance but with more features,
as for what version make sure that for vista u get biz or ulti home is bad and u shouldent use it (it limits a bunch of stuff and takes admin tools away but gives u media center and media center dont work so bet biz).
i duel boot biz 32 and 64 and i will go full time 64 but when sp1 comes out, mostly since i got be x86 from msdn when the 64bit wasnt available so i would have to drop x64 on my raid array but since im going to reinstall when sp1 is out im going full time x64 then
littleowl
11-21-2007, 01:31 AM
im thinking bout moving to a 64bit platform so i can up my memory.
is one better then the other? which would you guys prefer?:confused:
64bit runs better for crunching! you get much better benchmarks and points in boinc. as for vista or xp well that is all up to you but I would say vista. just keep in mind that drivers are a pain in the A at times..
icon57
11-21-2007, 06:16 AM
vista 64 is the way to go.
ewitte
11-21-2007, 06:28 AM
The 64bit version of XP is pushed aside a lot for updates/drivers. I see the 64bit version of Vista being much more mainstream.
Ademcg
11-21-2007, 06:35 AM
in my recent experience, 64 bit Vista is lacking support (driver wise) across the entire specturm of an overclockers needs.
I am so fed up with it I am going to install Win XP Pro tonight.
And wait for Vista 64 to be more useable.
I say 64 bit vista, if you're buying a new OS, you might as well get vista because eventually dx10 will be big, besides, vista's 64 bit gets driver updates a lot faster as the others are saying
ewitte
11-21-2007, 07:57 AM
AliG. WTF do you have thats supported in XP64 and not Vista64? Its usually the other way around as XP64 was never seen as an official OS.
Scanner - Works - Epson had drivers
Printer - Works - MS drivers
XFi - Works
8800GTX - Nvidia updates nearly as much as they do for XP
Pretty much anything new will have drivers for 64bit vista but a lot less of them support XP 64bit. The only thing I'd see supporting XP and not vista is hacked drivers that are not official drivers, and only then because the hackers had more time with xp64.
? You read my post wrong, I supported what you said
ewitte
11-21-2007, 08:32 AM
Hmm what I was responding too isn't there but it was closer to what Ademcg wrote except I didn't see a specification for normal 32-bit XP when I wrote the message. In that sense yeah 32-bit XP would be more compatible but I've already got 4GB and only see that growing in the future.
I already have the 64bit XP but just heard so many problems with driver issues.
So Vista Ultimate 64 then? thank you guys
Torphoto
11-21-2007, 08:52 AM
Ok I got my flame proof undies on,
Linux? suse 10.3 x64 or ubuntu 7.1x
it's true 64 bit os,
but if not and you need ms vista x64 untimate is the only way to go.
Actually I like linux, it's simple, doesn't have too many problems, FREE for download, only thing is the drivers suck for gaming
ewitte
11-21-2007, 09:00 AM
I already have the 64bit XP but just heard so many problems with driver issues.
So Vista Ultimate 64 then? thank you guys
I had my Vista64 install sitting there for almost a year but still booted XP 99.9% of the time. Yes drivers were kinda bad about then. I've just recently switched to Vista after getting 4GB and its much better than it was. When I first got my 8800GTX there wasn't even a beta driver for that card. So the OS really sucked at that time.
Kai Robinson
11-25-2007, 01:22 PM
I've never had any problems with gaming, overclocking, drivers or app compatibility on XP64. Driver issues? Not as far as i'm concerned!
Zytek_Fan
11-25-2007, 02:30 PM
Vista 64 bit FTW!
Linus@ncix
11-25-2007, 02:45 PM
Personally I love Vista x64
phantom2080
11-26-2007, 07:26 AM
Vista 64bit all the way
a few bugs such as copying more than 12gb to a xp pc, but this has been resolved in a hotfix so go for it and dont look back.
thanks for the help guys... vista it is then =)
BLHealthy4life
11-27-2007, 05:57 PM
I ran Vista x64 for a few weeks.
I really like Vista, just that I was constantly getting the "nvidia driver not respondong" error ALL if the time...in 3D apps, online streaming videos, etc..
Tried all of Nvidias latest drivers and Vista hotfixes, problem would not go away.
It drove me nuts that I sold the OS.
So I am seriously thinking of doing XP X64...
Very mature OS and the NV display driver bug shouldn't be there.
itznfb
11-27-2007, 06:07 PM
i love vista x64. my only issue is, when something seems to go wrong, i have trouble diagnosing the issue, and mostly unable to fix. XP there seems to be a solution out there for every issue you will run into. my resolution to this was to unfortunatly spend more money on acronis trueimage 11. i did a base vista install, grabbed an image, then installed all my apps and everything, took another image, and do a weekly incremental, so if i screw up the OS, i can just restore from the most recent image.
I have been running Vista 64 bit now also for some time.
But im considering going back to XP, and maybe the 64bit version because of the >4gb ram support.
My experience with Vista 64bit is that it is slower for gaming than XP 32bit.
But I have no experience with thw XP 64bit.... So im not sure....Only thing im sure of is that im tired of Vista and DX10 in the state it is right now. Maybe later it will kick butt.. I dont know.
Gig4moller
11-28-2007, 03:09 AM
There is nothing wrong with XP 64 these days. Driver support is a non-issue for the latest hardware.
Also, it is based on the server 2003 kernel, which is known for its stability and raw performance. XP64 all the way imo.
b1lk1
11-28-2007, 06:02 AM
Vista 64 is great, just make sure to get 4GB of ram to get the best experience possible.
aCKs3r
11-28-2007, 09:44 AM
There is nothing wrong with XP 64 these days. Driver support is a non-issue for the latest hardware.
Also, it is based on the server 2003 kernel, which is known for its stability and raw performance. XP64 all the way imo.
I completely agree, people spend too much time complaining about XP64 especially if you have new hardware like Gig4moller it should be fine and way way more stable.
It'll be a while before DX10 is the norm so I wouldnt worry about Vista until then.
Just installed XP 64bit.
It boots faster and just feels quicker.
Just benched Crysis:
In Vista 64bit DX10 high settings Ive got 27 FPS.
In XP 64bit DX9 high settings I get 41 FPS.
Im not sure if there is any visible difference in DX9/DX10 at high settings, if not it is a damm huge different in frames.
Will be benching som more later.
phantom2080
11-29-2007, 03:44 AM
Just installed XP 64bit.
It boots faster and just feels quicker.
Just benched Crysis:
In Vista 64bit DX10 high settings Ive got 27 FPS.
In XP 64bit DX9 high settings I get 41 FPS.
Im not sure if there is any visible difference in DX9/DX10 at high settings, if not it is a damm huge different in frames.
Will be benching som more later.
Yeah but the difference is when playing online you will in a dx9 enironment in say crysis never be able to have all the physics like cutting trees blowing up building etc as you can in dx10
that is why there are separate servers and i will be upgrading my gpu when i can afford it and then shall start playing crysis the way it was meant to be and other up and coming titles
Yeah but the difference is when playing online you will in a dx9 enironment in say crysis never be able to have all the physics like cutting trees blowing up building etc as you can in dx10
that is why there are separate servers and i will be upgrading my gpu when i can afford it and then shall start playing crysis the way it was meant to be and other up and coming titles
Havenīt tested that yet. But have a friend who is playing Crysis in xp. He said he could shoot up trees....
phantom2080
11-29-2007, 07:00 AM
in single player in a dx 9 environment yes you can cut tress
but online in dx9 you cant
thus why dx10 is needed for tree cutting and other physics etc in online play
Gig4moller
11-29-2007, 09:14 AM
Who the :banana::banana::banana::banana: cares about that anyway. :/
BLHealthy4life
11-29-2007, 09:15 AM
Just installed XP 64bit.
It boots faster and just feels quicker.
Just benched Crysis:
In Vista 64bit DX10 high settings Ive got 27 FPS.
In XP 64bit DX9 high settings I get 41 FPS.
Im not sure if there is any visible difference in DX9/DX10 at high settings, if not it is a damm huge different in frames.
Will be benching som more later.
Benchmark Crysis on XP x64 with the very high settings hack for DX9. Makes it equivalent to DX10 in XP.
submit results when you can!
in single player in a dx 9 environment yes you can cut tress
but online in dx9 you cant
thus why dx10 is needed for tree cutting and other physics etc in online play
If thats true then it isnt a code-thing in DX10. Then its just simple stupidity from the programmers!
Benchmark Crysis on XP x64 with the very high settings hack for DX9. Makes it equivalent to DX10 in XP.
submit results when you can!
I havent testet Crysis with very high in Vista DX10, because it wasnt playable at my system.
I did a test with very high, but with motionblur diabled and shadows at medium. Here ive got 24 FPS
I have now done the DX10 hack with XP, but not sure about the settings for shadows if it should be on medium, so the test is with all on very high, but motion blur disabled.
With XP 64 I get 28 fps. Shadow has a big impact on frames, so even at very high I get a boost.
I still think 4 fps is a lot when im benching at these very high settings at 1680x1050. But the issential for me is the boost at high settings, because I wasnt playing at very high in Vista anyway.
b1lk1
11-29-2007, 12:30 PM
No trouble running Crysis on high settings here. Some very minor stuttering, but overall very playable.
stevecs
12-01-2007, 02:51 PM
Just went back to XP64 after 'playing' with vista64. Just got fed up w/ vista and the issues with the software I use/need to use. XP64 just works. No driver issues that I've run into, and has the side benefit of allowing me to play some of the older games that just don't like vista. ;)
I use Windows Server 2003 x64 here,
flawless OS imo, fast, reliable, and compatible with most things.
Only drawback is it has alot of server services scheduled to start when you boot it, but with a few reg and service tweaks that can all be sorted.
XP x64 must be pretty much identicle imho, so go with that :)
wow... in page 1, most said go with Vista, and now its XP..
maybe i should just try out my XP64 first before i move into Vista
wow... in page 1, most said go with Vista, and now its XP..
maybe i should just try out my XP64 first before i move into Vista
You have to figure out what you want from your OS?
Do you want a nice looking all brand new OS with a lot of features etc. that takes a lot of ressources, and dont bother if you loose a few frames in games (sometimes alot) Then go with Vista.
if you want a quick responding, fine-tuned OS with the most FPS in games go with XP.
In my experience Vista just feels slower vs. XP -in all therms.
tiro_uspsss
12-03-2007, 05:11 AM
wow... in page 1, most said go with Vista, and now its XP..
maybe i should just try out my XP64 first before i move into Vista
its easy bro - XP64 is a free trial from MS, so give it a try - if u like etc etc - if not, try/buy Vista, ta-da ur OS! :up:
oh & FFS, all the folks going on about 'lack of drivers yaddayaddayadda' just clam up - there's no such thing, ur just repeating what was said about the issue with XP64 *when it came out 3 or so yrs ago*
TimoneX
12-03-2007, 06:34 AM
There's still some hardware I've never found a driver for in XP64(scanner/color laser printer), but I've been using it for years and I think it's pretty good stuff. Everytime I install anything vista I get sick of it's eyecandy and nag screens and uninstall it within a month.
...not to mention it's ridiculous resource hogging and B L O A T.
Thank you guys for your feedback thus far
Will be install 64 XP pro and will tell you how it goes
mutambo
12-05-2007, 10:23 AM
oh & FFS, all the folks going on about 'lack of drivers yaddayaddayadda' just clam up - there's no such thing, ur just repeating what was said about the issue with XP64 *when it came out 3 or so yrs ago*
Yup,if you are buying a new OS and don't want to spend more money again in next couple of years, buy vista.
I'm in for the same comparison xp64 or V64, but thinking 4 years ahead it will be a right investment to buy Vista 64.
XP64 will suffer from non-upgrades/slow upgrades from now on...all their concentration will be on Vista.
By the ways please post here(or pm me), if anyone has a particular site from where they buy V64 or XP64 for cheap.
Yup,if you are buying a new OS and don't want to spend more money again in next couple of years, buy vista.
I'm in for the same comparison xp64 or V64, but thinking 4 years ahead it will be a right investment to buy Vista 64.
XP64 will suffer from non-upgrades/slow upgrades from now on...all their concentration will be on Vista.
By the ways please post here(or pm me), if anyone has a particular site from where they buy V64 or XP64 for cheap.
In 4 years time would Vienna or windows 7 be out, wouldnt it?
stevecs
12-06-2007, 07:52 AM
XP64 will suffer from non-upgrades/slow upgrades from now on...all their concentration will be on Vista.
Umm. You do realize that XP64 & 2003 Server (which it's based on) are supported by Microsoft until 2014 right? :)
mike8913
12-06-2007, 10:01 AM
number one reason not to use vista64 = digital driver signing enforcement....I dont want to have to press F8 every time I boot. I used for 2 months and had to wrestle with it to get it to do what I wanted. Not worth XP64 FTW.
mutambo
12-06-2007, 09:02 PM
Umm. You do realize that XP64 & 2003 Server (which it's based on) are supported by Microsoft until 2014 right? :)
Hmm...Its "mainstream support" up to 2009 from 2009 its under "extended support".
In Microsoft parlance, extended support is the period when all support is fee-based and non-security hotfixes are produced only for corporate customers.
mutambo
12-06-2007, 09:06 PM
In 4 years time would Vienna or windows 7 be out, wouldnt it?
OS and general application releases are different, last XP released in 2001 vista is now 2007/2008(stable version), windows is pretty much matured compared to win 3.1 95, 98 and win2000 era so it wont be that rapid any more.