new Theory of everything ? [Archive]

gillll

11-19-2007, 01:23 AM

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0711.0770

forget everything and everything can be placed in this shape :D

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8262/600pxe8graphsvg42e77delm8.jpg

The 'E8 theory" proposed in this work is an exceptionally simple unification of the standard model and gravity. All known fields are parts of an E8 principal bundle connection.

E8 is perhaps the most beautiful structure
in all of mathematics, but it's very complex."
- Hermann Nicolai

The theory proposed in this paper represents a comprehensive unification program, describing all fields of the standard model and gravity as parts of a uniquely beautiful mathematical structure. The principal bundle connection and its curvature describe how the E8 manifold twists and turns over spacetime, reproducing all known fields and dynamics through pure geometry. Some aspects of this theory are not yet completely understood, and until they are it should be treated with appropriate skepticism. However, the current match to the standard model and gravity is very good. Future work will either strengthen the correlation to known physics and produce successful predictions for the LHC, or the theory will encounter
a fatal contradiction with nature. The lack of extraneous structures and free parameters ensures testable predictions, so it will either succeed or fail spectacularly.

If E8 theory is fully successful as a theory of everything, our universe is an exceptionally beautiful shape.
Ac

:clap:

Brother Esau

11-19-2007, 01:32 AM

Matter vs Anti Matter;)

Omastar

11-19-2007, 01:35 AM

Wow, very intriguing. :)

gillll

11-19-2007, 01:37 AM

yea we're kinda stuck in physics .............it's good that someone thinks out of the box.

grimREEFER

11-19-2007, 01:46 AM

wait, so is this more valid than the current m theory?

gillll

11-19-2007, 01:51 AM

m theory is another theory (much more acceptable and older the e8)

the shape linkage all particals and fields something that M theory is also doing but more complex

just a new theory that's all :D

i guess time as always will tell what will happen with this one.

saaya

11-19-2007, 01:53 AM

i dont understand it at all...

gillll

11-19-2007, 01:58 AM

which part ? :D

Kingcarcas

11-19-2007, 02:00 AM

Umm.....i think i'm supposed to say 42......

flopper

11-19-2007, 02:01 AM

Hopefully they get the underlying quantum physics of the creation of the Universe, if it was created.
Might just existed without creation.

However, nice model.

It might be God your looking at or at least a model of him ;)

nn_step

11-19-2007, 02:09 AM

Umm.....i think i'm supposed to say 42......

you mean 7? :rolleyes:

gillll

11-19-2007, 02:12 AM

no it's 42 indeed :D

Fairydust

11-19-2007, 02:17 AM

Wow, I feel like I am 3 years old again, don't undertsand anything that's written but I like the nice picture :rofl:.

gillll

11-19-2007, 02:21 AM

lol btw u like it because it's mathmathical nice :D

it's simetry is attracting us.

the shape only shows the relations between all particals and therefor manages (in a diff way from M theory) to combine all physics fields that as of today still has major gap between the macro world and the micro one which seems to conflict with each other.

Speederlander

11-19-2007, 02:27 AM

wait, so is this more valid than the current m theory?

Um, no. This is one theory by a guy that hasn't been peer reviewed yet.

dduckquack

11-19-2007, 03:25 AM

ah so that explains it, i now understand everything!

Toysoldier

11-19-2007, 03:43 AM

Once I saw the following it all made sense to me :)

gillll

11-19-2007, 03:46 AM

lmaorotf !!!!!!!!!!!!!

well it's called abstarct thinking :P

flopper

11-19-2007, 04:21 AM

Sexy image also.

Origin_Unknown

11-19-2007, 05:19 AM

Once I saw the following it all made sense to me :)

for some reason that made me lol.

twilyth

11-19-2007, 05:25 AM

It will be nice if it can make some testable predictions - unlike the stringies. And being able to explain the distribution of dark matter in and around galaxies would also be a big plus.

flutie98

11-19-2007, 05:30 AM

FghtinIrshNvrDi

11-19-2007, 05:46 AM

I don't see my pubic hairs in that image. Can't be that all-encompassing.

Ryan

knightwolf654

11-19-2007, 05:58 AM

guhhhhhhhh wha? my brain hurts just looking at that second pic

gillll

11-19-2007, 06:19 AM

it's the formula for good coffee in e8 language :D

TorquedJetta

11-19-2007, 06:27 AM

yay, another non experimentally proven "theory" of the physical laws of our universe... Theorists need to wake up and stop taking physics as a religion.....

Model <==> Experiment

This is how science works.....

Yes but science = money just like almost everything else in the world.

They are doing experiments, the particle accelerator over in Europe is being complete around now. They will be using that help test these theories.

These experiments need to be done multiply times, and they also need to very exact otherwise they wont be proving anything correct. They are hitting parts of an atom with other atoms and other parts of atoms. You understand how small that is? If they miscalculate even ten nanometers they are going to be off and waste their money and time. There is a reason for all the wait. Good things are to come ;)

_Slim_Shady_

11-19-2007, 06:34 AM

Very cool. I love the title of the pdf linked. "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything". LOL

gillll

11-19-2007, 06:41 AM

wiki link
-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory_of_Everything

CyberDruid

11-19-2007, 06:41 AM

So the universe is a hallucination?

gillll

11-19-2007, 06:42 AM

i'd say quite more like the end scene in MIB :D

we're being golfed :D

twilyth

11-19-2007, 06:44 AM

Yes but science = money just like almost everything else in the world.

They are doing experiments, the particle accelerator over in Europe is being complete around now. They will be using that help test these theories.

These experiments need to be done multiply times, and they also need to very exact otherwise they wont be proving anything correct. They are hitting parts of an atom with other atoms and other parts of atoms. You understand how small that is? If they miscalculate even ten nanometers they are going to be off and waste their money and time. There is a reason for all the wait. Good things are to come ;)Colliding counter-rotating streams of particles is something that they've been doing for decades. Don't remember who did it first but if it wasn't the Tevatron at Fermilab then it was probably the proton synchrotron at Brookhaven. The two notable feature of the LHC will be it's unprecedented energies and the sophistication of it's detectors.

TorquedJetta

11-19-2007, 06:50 AM

Colliding counter-rotating streams of particles is something that they've been doing for decades.

I know that, but what I was saying that only newer versions are going to attempt to prove this theory because of of the size of these reactions and particles.

I forgot to mention it. :up:

gillll

11-19-2007, 07:01 AM

yea it'll be the first collidor that virtually will be able to see beneath the planck barrier.
(that according to strings theories all of the other dimentions are within this size)

[XC] leviathan18

11-19-2007, 07:52 AM

i like mcdonnalds

Sparky

11-19-2007, 08:04 AM

So the universe is a hallucination?

Caused by the hypno-toad!

http://www.wendellwit.com/wp-content/uploads/hypnotoad5uf.gif

biohead

11-19-2007, 08:13 AM

If they miscalculate even ten nanometers they are going to be off and waste their money and time.

with a size of 10^-15 i guess ten nanometers would be a huge miscalculation ;)

Den Leiw

11-19-2007, 08:23 AM

... well, current theories are only valid until someone with a better one comes up, but it is probably very far from the absolute truth so I don't know what to think about such things...

fornowagain

11-19-2007, 08:27 AM

Um, no. This is one theory by a guy that hasn't been peer reviewed yet.

Shows the 3d model, looks amazing.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHw9zcCvRQ

This guys not that impressed.
http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/11/exceptionally-simple-theory-of.html

saaya

11-19-2007, 08:52 AM

lmaorotf !!!!!!!!!!!!!

well it's called abstarct thinking :P

right, as if youd understand this ;)

Bonkers

11-19-2007, 08:54 AM

It's been a while since i've last felt this inadequate..

eddieate

11-19-2007, 09:06 AM

Haha! Exactly! :D
Just like something i'd be trying to unravel with my eyes on a heavy night.
Ed.

Looks exactly like what I see after a few whip-its :ROTF:

Origin_Unknown

11-19-2007, 09:09 AM

It's been a while since i've last felt this inadequate..

I'm used to it :ROTF:

XS Janus

11-19-2007, 12:53 PM

I say BROWN!

strange|ife

11-19-2007, 02:11 PM

+1 seems interesting, but all the math made my heard hurt. Michio kaku has a great book on M theory, and parallel worlds is a must read aswell. He explains things easier than most books do.
Wonder if he supports this new theory.

pcwhisperer

11-19-2007, 02:32 PM

Well, the image is beautiful, like a giant conscience eye . The theory "feels" beautiful. A bit like i always "sensed" it would be something like that, everything is connected etc, except the eyethingy. But since i left school at 15, i'm in no position to check the formula's :D

halo112358

11-19-2007, 04:11 PM

*cough* *cough*

There are a couple of reasons to be skeptical of Lisi's work. First, he has a problem with units at the very start of the paper, which could cascade through the whole work. It is not yet clear that this problem is fatal, but at this point we just don't know. He has found that the chosen symmetry operations correspond to the symmetry groups of particles—not that surprising, considering the number of symmetry operations he has at his disposal—but at this point, he can't calculate the properties of predicted particles (really, these are just degrees of freedom in the symmetry class), because that requires what look to be extraordinarily difficult calculations. If the unit problem is serious, this will get worse, meaning no predictions at all.

Upon further review, surfer's new Theory of Everything may be deficient (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071117-upon-further-review-surfers-new-theory-of-everything-severely-deficient.html)

Lisi has some explaining to do :D

npk

11-19-2007, 08:47 PM

Once I saw the following it all made sense to me :)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67468&stc=1&d=1195472565

woah that made me understand how OPB´s CDT tweak works :p:

`danny

11-19-2007, 08:53 PM

lol it's good somebody is thinking outside of Vf=V0+AT :)

Loque

11-19-2007, 09:21 PM

needs more bloom

STEvil

11-19-2007, 10:13 PM

Apparently some of this was first drawn out by hand in early 1900... if you read the pdf.

Stx

11-20-2007, 12:13 AM

^ Yeah, mathematicians have been in love with E8 for a long time.

Brother Esau

11-20-2007, 12:18 AM

Some things are not supposed to be Explained and this is one of them!

gillll

11-20-2007, 01:34 AM

everything should be explained.

pcwhisperer

11-20-2007, 02:55 AM

everything should be explained.
QFT :up:

Brother Esau

11-20-2007, 09:11 AM

gillll

11-20-2007, 10:12 AM

u know it's an off topic argue that doesn't have a answer ?

check "the man from earth" movie.

we can't prove each other right or wrong :D

so peace....

Repoman

11-20-2007, 11:11 AM

nibble

11-20-2007, 11:12 AM

No there not! When all of the questions are answered the Game is OVER! There are things much greater than man at work behind the scenes and if god wanted us in the sky or outer space then we would have wings. Besides we cant even take care of what we have and we are looking for more thats just stupidity!

That's an incredibly narrow minded view of things..... Not to argue about it, I respect your views but really how can you believe that? You could then say that we should not build things, that there should be no advance in technology, that we should never question. I just could not ever accept that.

marauder16

11-20-2007, 11:16 AM

let's all live like Amish! lol, no, really, this thread doesn't make sence, the argue will never finish, so stop talking and start O/Cing :D

Brother Esau

11-20-2007, 11:45 AM

All your opinion, some people don't believe that. Besides, wings don't work in space :rolleyes:

Yes, its just my opinion but the obvious truth is that man goes too far trying to explain what is , what was and what should be instead of being and living in Harmony with his surrounding environment.

Now that would be the obvious hint that nothing from Earth belongs there!

ghost101

11-20-2007, 12:34 PM

Yes, its just my opinion but the obvious truth is that man goes too far trying to explain what is , what was and what should be instead of being and living in Harmony with his surrounding environment.

Now that would be the obvious hint that nothing from Earth belongs there![/B]

The guy will do whatever he wants with his time. Equivalent to the fact you are a computer enthusiast.

SDX

11-20-2007, 12:47 PM

Yes, its just my opinion but the obvious truth is that man goes too far trying to explain what is , what was and what should be instead of being and living in Harmony with his surrounding environment.

Now that would be the obvious hint that nothing from Earth belongs there!

I think that understanding the relationship that is shared between everything would be key to living in harmony with everything, wouldn't you?

vitaminc

11-20-2007, 01:22 PM

^ Yeah, mathematicians have been in love with E8 for a long time.

At least that pix of E8 or whatever that is looks sexier than K10 logo.

pcwhisperer

11-20-2007, 02:12 PM

I think that understanding the relationship that is shared between everything would be key to living in harmony with everything, wouldn't you?

:fact: :fact: :fact: This guy got it !!! :fact: :fact: :fact:

Blauhung

11-20-2007, 02:24 PM

No there not! When all of the questions are answered the Game is OVER! There are things much greater than man at work behind the scenes and if god wanted us in the sky or outer space then we would have wings. Besides we cant even take care of what we have and we are looking for more thats just stupidity!

There will always be more questions. Curiosity is one of humanities greatest strengths and weaknesses at the same time, but stifling that curiosity always leads to worse things.

SiGfever

11-20-2007, 03:48 PM

To learn and explore is one of our greatest strengths and when there is no more to learn the journey will have ended. The smarter I get the dumber I realize that I am.

The_Beast

11-20-2007, 05:19 PM

42

the first pic is cool, it needs brighter colors :up:

Blauhung

11-20-2007, 07:04 PM

A good quote I love from an awesome book

"The best thing for being sad, is to learn something. That is the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder of your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honor trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it then - to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust, and never dream of regretting. Learning is the thing for you. Look at what a lot of things there are to learn - pure science, the only purity there is. You can learn astronomy in a lifetime, natural history in three, literature in six. And then, after you have exhausted a milliard lifetimes in biology and medicine and theocritism and geography and history and economics - why, you can start to make a cartwheel out of appropriate wood, or spend fifty years learning to begin to learn to beat your adversary at fencing. After that you can start again on mathematics, until it is time to learn to plough."

-Merlyn, The Once and Future King by T. H. White