Phenom X4 @2.4GHz PCMark Vantage score ...

[OBR]

http://i4.tinypic.com/853bwy1.png

You can do this test at home on your system, you will see how Phenom X4 perform ...

Config: RD-790FX, Phenom @default 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM, HD3870 ...

[Cooper]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcmv=3125

Q6600 @ 2.4GHz; 2GB, 8800GTX


PCMarkSuite 4973 PCMarks
Memories Suite 4445
TV and Movies Suite 4154
Gaming Suite 4706
Music Suite 4478
Communications Suite 4138
Productivity Suite 4570
HDD Test Suite 4275

[OBR]

Hm, very competitive scores! At the same frequencies ...

[GoThr3k]

Strange that memory seems so weak on phenom?

[RPGWiZaRD]

What's interesting is the "gaming" score. Any reason for this?

[madcho]

Strange that memory seems so weak on phenom?

2*64bit mode may be selected in bios.

i think it's score better with 128 bits mode :D

[OBR]

It was 128-bit mode ... This is setting before test ...

http://i9.tinypic.com/6jzggut.png

[informal]

OBR thanks for the results,but couldn't you get a cas4 DDR2 ram?Today ,you can even get cheap cas4 DDR2-800 1GB modules.

As for mem. tests ,Phenom should have better mem. scores than AthlonX2.Don't know if it is BIOS setting,but your scores seem a bit low.

[BeardyMan]

so its scores better then a C2D paired with a much more heavier GFX?:D

Pwned :D

[Faktor]

so its scores better then a C2D paired with a much more heavier GFX?:D

Pwned :D

Sweet, AMD can finally almost keep up with Intel's last generation offerings. :rolleyes:

[Zucker2k]

Everybody knows Nvidia Vista drivers are crap. I'd also like to see same graphics card used for both tests at same resolutions, and same OS environment, 32bit or 64bit.

[informal]

Yep and intel's "new gen" products really pwn Conroe/kentsfield ,by a whole ~6% or so on average.

[nemrod]

so its scores better then a C2D paired with a much more heavier GFX?:D

Pwned :D

Well you see a higher score for phenom than for the c2d paired with a much more heavier GFX?

:D

[madcho]

Well you see a higher score for phenom than for the c2d paired with a much more heavier GFX?

:D

Yep it's a kentfield not a conroe ;)

C2D=>C2Q :D

[informal]

Well you see a higher score for phenom than for the c2d paired with a much more heavier GFX?

:D

Since when is 3870 faster than 8800GTX :p: and since when c2d has 4 cores :p: ?

[ryanmartini]

I like it. The offering may not be on top of Intel, but it will offer alternatives of OEM computer companies and hopefully driving some competition into the market with the Phenom/790FX platform.

Also, first post :)

[knightwolf654]

:welcome:

looks like its gunna be sweet!
its a little faster then the Q6600. works for me:yepp:

[OBR]

Before NDA ends i can tell this: At the same frequencies are Phenom X4 and Kensfield (Yorkfield is better anyway) very close, and performance is almost the same ... BUT, Phenoms cant to overclock so easily like Kensfield ... that a problem. My max stable Phenom is about 3GHz ... and Kensfield 3.6GHz and more ...

[Tim]

:welcome:

looks like its gunna be sweet!
its a little faster then the Q6600. works for me:yepp:

Well seeing how the Q6600 overclocks well over 1Ghz, then.....Phenom does suck. Not to mention Yorkfield.

Like a 400Mhz overclock compared to 1.4Ghz overclock. Yea. That could be problematic.

[kl0012]

http://i4.tinypic.com/853bwy1.png

You can do this test at home on your system, you will see how Phenom X4 perform ...

Config: RD-790FX, Phenom @default 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM, HD3870 ...

Is it crossfire or a single card?

[Cooper]

Well seeing how the Q6600 overclocks well over 1Ghz, then.....Phenom does suck. Not to mention Yorkfield.

Like a 400Mhz overclock compared to 1.4Ghz overclock. Yea. That could be problematic.

In this case not the Phenom or the actual CPU architecture suck, but the manufacturing process and maximal transistors switch speed.

[nemrod]

Since when is 3870 faster than 8800GTX :p: and since when c2d has 4 cores :p: ?

Don't know how score the hd3870 on pcmark vantage...But you're right I've missed that it was a traditionnal AMD biased comparison... Compare a cpu with the same price, and the same number of core that a quad to a duo... :shrug:


But at least orb give us a clear information:"At the same frequencies are Phenom X4 and Kensfield (Yorkfield is better anyway) very close, and performance is almost the same"

[Pacha]

for people who do not overclock, yorkfield will be better, so AMD loses here
for people who do oc, yorkfield is better and even kentsfield.

rough times for AMD...

[CrashOv3r1De]

I dont really seeing a point in going for this chip since Q6600 can overclock 1ghz and will be out performing it. If you plan to run stock thats a different story though

[madcho]

Pgi 7.1 :d

[BeardyMan]

Well seeing how the Q6600 overclocks well over 1Ghz, then.....Phenom does suck. Not to mention Yorkfield.

Like a 400Mhz overclock compared to 1.4Ghz overclock. Yea. That could be problematic.

funny thing is that there are results at nearly stock voltage where phenoms runs at 3300mhz...

it becomes problematic soon.:D

[gallag]

funny thing is that there are results at nearly stock voltage where phenoms runs at 3300mhz...

it becomes problematic soon.:D

Link?

[Hornet331]

Link?

they are in his store. :ROTF: :rofl:

[gallag]

they are in his store. :ROTF: :rofl:

Are you serious? Is this guy a joke?

[Hornet331]

well lets say, he claimed certain things, without delivering any proof till now. ;)

[BeardyMan]

search XS news, and the overdrive tool ;)

[gallag]

search XS news, and the overdrive tool ;)


Cant you just link it with out being vague?

[Jamesrt2004]

they are in his store. :ROTF: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: So true :)

[Shintai]

And he call others for trolls...

So lets see:
1. Barcelona in MASSIVE stock.
2. Some "chinese site" showing Phenom is over 5% faster than Core 2.
3. A 3.3Ghz Phenom on stock voltage. (Did they raise that to 1.7V or so?)

Anyway, we are waiting for some links and documentation as usual.

[v_rr]

He seems to have memory problems.
Dont know if is bios/board/CPU or ram problem.

[Epsilon84]

Are you serious? Is this guy a joke?

Nah, he is deadly serious. :up:

[John600rr]

And he call others for trolls...

So lets see:
1. Barcelona in MASSIVE stock.
2. Some "chinese site" showing Phenom is over 5% faster than Core 2.
3. A 3.3Ghz Phenom on stock voltage. (Did they raise that to 1.7V or so?)

Anyway, we are waiting for some links and documentation as usual.

Agreed, completely. Seems like every thread on this forum has him posting this 'info' without any proof.

[Pacha]

maybe an disguised AMD marketing manager :D

[madcho]

maybe an disguised AMD marketing manager :D

:rofl:

[Epsilon84]

maybe an disguised AMD marketing manager :D

I hope not, otherwise he's not doing a very good job! Maybe informal, nn_step or Knightswolf would be better choices. :ROTF:

[madcho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_q_9a4zDps

i hope the 9400 can do this :up:

[Donnie27]

I hope not, otherwise he's not doing a very good job! Maybe informal, nn_step or Knightswolf would be better choices. :ROTF:

QFT!

But it doesn't matter. Many AMD enthusiast will happily pay more, hotter, and more power hungry Phenom.

[Zytek_Fan]

QFT!

But it doesn't matter. Many AMD enthusiast will happily pay more, hotter, and more power hungry Phenom.

:ROTF: I wanted Phenom, but now that I see how it performs and how it doesn't overclock as well, Yorkfield will be mine! :D

[Donnie27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_q_9a4zDps

i hope the 9400 can do this :up:

It doesn't need to LOL!

[Donnie27]

:ROTF: I wanted Phenom, but now that I see how it performs and how it doesn't overclock as well, Yorkfield will be mine! :D

As I said to you in August, there's little need for secrecy if this thing kicked ass. I looked forward to Phenom as well.

[Zytek_Fan]

As I said to you in August, there's little need for secrecy if this thing kicked ass. I looked forward to Phenom as well.

Like I said in another thread, AMD has disappointed all of us...

[Shintai]

Like I said in another thread, AMD has disappointed all of us...

No, AMD only dissapointed those with unrealistic demands and expectations.

[Tim]

In this case not the Phenom or the actual CPU architecture suck, but the manufacturing process and maximal transistors switch speed.

So yea, basically Phenomenal suckage.

[Epsilon84]

No, AMD only dissapointed those with unrealistic demands and expectations.

Well, after all the hype, I honestly expected Phenom to be

1) At least equal to Kentsfield clock for clock
2) Be able to launch higher than 2.4GHz
Did I have unrealistic expectations?

Perhaps Rahul Sood didn't help with his comments of a 3GHz Phenom being a 'stone cold killer' of Kentsfield... :rolleyes: :shakes:

[Zytek_Fan]

No, AMD only dissapointed those with unrealistic demands and expectations.

That AMD kept raising the expectations by making somewhat believable claims as to how well it performs...

[BeardyMan]

Wow intel boys to lazy to do some search :D

All the info is right here on these forums just put of those special glasses :ROTF:

look at this thread for instance

Phenom totally destroys an Q6600 with GTX, with a budget gfx cards and same cpu clock in the game test -->5000 vs 4700
Ylike said put of those glasses...

[Shintai]

Wow intel boys to lazy to do some search :D

All the info is right here on these forums just put of those special glasses :ROTF:

Why dont you show us. Because its not there and you just troll? You keep calling others fanboys and trolls. Yet you are the one failing to deliver any of your claims.

[Shintai]

That AMD kept raising the expectations by making somewhat believable claims as to how well it performs...

Well I agree part of it was AMD, since they only showed SpecFP rates as bench. However some fansboys went nuts and made that into 40-50% lead in IPC in everything. And suddenly we had a period where "average xtremeer" also started to believe it.

[BeardyMan]

Why dont you show us. Because its not there and you just troll?

troll = shintaisme?

nah not my cup of tea :D

and read my edit, that's what i call pwned!

Q6600 @ 2.4GHz; 2GB, 8800GTX

Quote:
PCMarkSuite 4973 PCMarks
Memories Suite 4445
TV and Movies Suite 4154
Gaming Suite 4706
Music Suite 4478
Communications Suite 4138
Productivity Suite 4570
HDD Test Suite 4275

Now looking back to the startpost and it's gaming score

SURPRISE!!!5077 with an HD3870,


you fail to read and to understand it seems :D

[Shintai]

troll = shintaisme?

nah not my cup of tea :D

and read my edit, that's what i call pwned!

LOL, just like a 2900XT is faster than a 8800GTX right? (Cept in futuremark benches) Also you sure they run on the same OS? ;)

I love how you "pwn" yourself.

[Opteron146]

It was 128-bit mode ... This is setting before test ...I beg to differ, your screenshot shows "Ganged mode disabled", i.e. unganged mode enabled and that means 2x64bit not 1x128. Explanation is here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2541757&postcount=343

However that should be the best option for K10, I dont care if some bandwidth benches will suffer from decreasing scores, overall performance in a multithreaded environment should be better with unganged mode.

cheers

Opteron

[BeardyMan]

LOL, just like a 2900XT is faster than a 8800GTX right? (Cept in futuremark benches) Also you sure they run on the same OS? ;)

I love how you "pwn" yourself.

I love how you try to deny the facts :D

Those numbers that you like to use, have owned you big time :yepp:

[Epsilon84]

BeardyMan, how about we wait for some REAL game benches before calling Kentsfield... 'pwned' in gaming. You know, real games... like Crysis. :ROTF:

I have a sneaking suspicion, come the 19th... the only one getting 'pwned' will be yourself. :rofl:

[savantu]

In this case not the Phenom or the actual CPU architecture suck, but the manufacturing process and maximal transistors switch speed.

Yep.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2512541&postcount=49

[savantu]

Wow intel boys to lazy to do some search :D

All the info is right here on these forums just put of those special glasses :ROTF:

look at this thread for instance

Phenom totally destroys an Q6600 with GTX, with a budget gfx cards and same cpu clock in the game test -->5000 vs 4700
Ylike said put of those glasses...

Are for real or a mkt bot ?

[[XC] hipno650]

I love how you try to deny the facts :D

Those numbers that you like to use, have owned you big time :yepp:

deny the facts?

look at Barcelona numbers!!!!!! they have been out for a while and we have seen many phenom numbers popping up. and they all point to the K10 being SLOWER than intel. in all real life benches.

[JumpingJack]

funny thing is that there are results at nearly stock voltage where phenoms runs at 3300mhz...

it becomes problematic soon.:D

Could you link this please, I have yet to see such information.

[n91htmare]

Why don't we all simply ignore beardyman... he's obviously a relative of Sharikou.

If we all ignore what he says...he wouldn't have anything to say now would he?

[JumpingJack]

Why don't we all simply ignore beardyman... he's obviously a relative of Sharikou.

If we all ignore what he says...he wouldn't have anything to say now would he?

But where is the fun in that?

[gallag]

Why don't we all simply ignore beardyman... he's obviously a relative of Sharikou.

If we all ignore what he says...he wouldn't have anything to say now would he?

Makes sense:)

[JumpingJack]

Wow intel boys to lazy to do some search :D

All the info is right here on these forums just put of those special glasses :ROTF:

look at this thread for instance

Phenom totally destroys an Q6600 with GTX, with a budget gfx cards and same cpu clock in the game test -->5000 vs 4700
Ylike said put of those glasses...

Not too lazy... just wowed... the burden of proof is on you.

Phenom slower clock for clock...
http://www.xcpus.com/forums/cpus-mainboards-chipsets/6628-current-vs-next-gen-cpus-perofrmance-crysis.html

Phenom slower than a FSB crippled Q6700:
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/gigabyte/GA-MA790FX-DQ6/b1.htm

Phenom does not overclock well:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?%20threadid=68863

This in fairly good agreement with such reviews as:
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=2&id=2411
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13224
and of course Anands predictions: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3092

[Brian MP5T]

I just go a Q6600 for $234.00 Yesterday.. That's VALUE...

[v_rr]

Not too lazy... just wowed... the burden of proof is on you.

Phenom slower clock for clock...
http://www.xcpus.com/forums/cpus-mainboards-chipsets/6628-current-vs-next-gen-cpus-perofrmance-crysis.html

Phenom slower than a FSB crippled Q6700:
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/gigabyte/GA-MA790FX-DQ6/b1.htm

Phenom does not overclock well:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?%20threadid=68863

This in fairly good agreement with such reviews as:
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=2&id=2411
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13224
and of course Anands predictions: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3092

Fud.
The true potencial can only be seen when oficial release come.

[JumpingJack]

Fud.
The true potencial can only be seen when oficial release come.

AMD has released so much information, this is about what we have. I don't necessarily disagree though, it is scant... but all the indicators, from Anands preivew to Techreport's runs, to the OCWorkbench data point in the same direction... clock for clock Phenom will come up short to the 65 nm Kentsfield and won't be competitive to Yorksfield.

Of course, we will be treated to canned benchmark data on launch day anyway.... if rumors hold.

[RaZz!]

i'm not quite sure what to think about the memory performance we've seen in several benchmarks.

barcelona/phenom should be a monster in memory benchmarks, but somehow it's only on par with athlon x2's... makes me wonder what's wrong there :F

[Boschwanza]

Can you run the test again in 64 Bit and IMC gangend mode?

[JumpingJack]

i'm not quite sure what to think about the memory performance we've seen in several benchmarks.

barcelona/phenom should be a monster in memory benchmarks, but somehow it's only on par with athlon x2's... makes me wonder what's wrong there :F

Yep, it is very odd.... unless the memory benchmark is some sort of averaged memory performance of main memory, L3, L2, and L1 peformance with latency added in....

[Zucker2k]

I just go a Q6600 for $234.00 Yesterday.. That's VALUE...

This reminds me of a thread I started about Intel's strategy once phenom drops: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158609

I think in spite of the lacklustre performance from AMD, Intel could further hurt AMD's release with surprise price-drops in the kentsfield range of products. This should also allow the newly released penryns to sit comfortably above their cousins, price-wise. We might just see $200 quadcores from Intel.

[JumpingJack]

This reminds me of a thread I started about Intel's strategy once phenom drops: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158609

I think in spite of the lacklustre performance from AMD, Intel could further hurt AMD's release with surprise price-drops in the kentsfield range of products. This should also allow the newly released penryns to sit comfortably above their cousins, price-wise. We might just see $200 quadcores from Intel.

If it doesn't happen after Phenom launch, expect it to happen when the X3's launch.

[Hornet331]

lol now i get it what BeardyMan means.... that PCMark Vantage score... uh yeah makes real sense that a 3870 is faster then a gtx... :rolleyes:

[SEA]

I'd rather say it means that Phenom @default 2.4GHz + HD3875 is faster than Q6600 @ 2.4GHz + gfx

[Shintai]

I'd rather say it means that Phenom @default 2.4GHz + HD3875 is faster than Q6600 @ 2.4GHz + gfx

If they both was run under the same OS and such (The Q6600 was with Vista and 163.75 drivers). And last time i checked, AMD did better with Futuremark benches than actual games and graphics.

[Calmatory]

Well seeing how the Q6600 overclocks well over 1Ghz, then.....Phenom does suck. Not to mention Yorkfield.

Like a 400Mhz overclock compared to 1.4Ghz overclock. Yea. That could be problematic.

Did it hurt you THAT much to see AMD finally going faster than your Intel?


;)

[Lastviking]

Link to the amd overdrive screen with one core over 3.3ghz

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=164046&highlight=overdrive

[Hornet331]

yeah i also can get my c2d screenshot stable on 3.8ghz (on air). Doesn't mean it acutally is stable.

[Lastviking]

One more

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=165970

[Shintai]

Well..here is alittle surprise!

Gaming test.
Part 1 is one of the 3Dmark06 scenes.
Part 2 is a HD ONLY test with no GFX or CPU load!

And those 2 gives the result. So I´m sure you could also make a 8600GTS beat a 8800Ultra with a good raid setup.

[Hornet331]

Well..here is alittle surprise!

Gaming test.
Part 1 is one of the 3Dmark06 scenes.
Part 2 is a HD ONLY test with no GFX or CPU load!

And those 2 gives the result. So I´m sure you could also make a 8600GTS beat a 8800Ultra with a good raid setup.


lol great, so this score is even more "worthless" then 3dmark. :down:

[Shintai]

lol great, so this score is even more "worthless" then 3dmark. :down:

Ye, its a system test. HD is big part of every single test.

Also even my wussy Seagate 7200.10 setup beats the used compared Q6600 one.

So ye...as expected ;)

[SEA]

Ye, its a system test. HD is big part of every single test.

Also even my wussy Seagate 7200.10 setup beats the used compared Q6600 one.

So ye...as expected ;)

That link was not about results:


Link to the amd overdrive screen with one core over 3.3ghz

[informal]

Ye, its a system test. HD is big part of every single test.

Also even my wussy Seagate 7200.10 setup beats the used compared Q6600 one.

So ye...as expected ;)

It really doesn't matter since the 1st post and second post in this thread had comparable HDD test scores .And you can see in fact that Q6600 had a little better results in some other tests: memory score (lol?) ,TV and Movies Suite(8800GTX at play probably),music score (better sound card probably) ,Communications score, even in HDD test suit...
And still both had almost equal total score which tells us that Phenom+Radeon got more at gaming.

[v_rr]

Ye, its a system test. HD is big part of every single test.

Also even my wussy Seagate 7200.10 setup beats the used compared Q6600 one.

So ye...as expected ;)

So whats the point?
What we have is nothing to talk so much as you talk.

So wait till 19. It´s so hard?
On that PCMark the Phenom also have Memory cripled, so just wait for oficial reviews.

[Shintai]

It really doesn't matter since the 1st post and second post in this thread had comparable HDD test scores .And you can see in fact that Q6600 had a little better results in some other tests: memory score (lol?) ,TV and Movies Suite(8800GTX at play probably),music score (better sound card probably) ,Communications score, even in HDD test suit...
And still both had almost equal total score which tells us that Phenom+Radeon got more at gaming.

Please go study the scores for once. If you even would note the HDD suite bench is also CPU taxed.

HDD 1
HDD - Windows Defender
HDD 2
HDD - gaming
HDD 3
HDD - importing pictures to Windows Photo Gallery
HDD 4
HDD - Windows Vista startup
HDD 5
HDD - video editing using Windows Movie Maker
HDD 6
HDD - Windows Media Center
HDD 7
HDD - adding music to Windows Media Player
HDD 8
HDD - application loading

Sorry to bust your dream. But they aint raw HD tests.

[informal]

All i can see is that both systems had comparable HDD test scores(total score for HDD suit).Apart from the fact that this test depends a lot on other hardware in your system,it shows us a rough comparison of two platforms.

[zornundo]

This reminds me of a thread I started about Intel's strategy once phenom drops: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158609

I think in spite of the lacklustre performance from AMD, Intel could further hurt AMD's release with surprise price-drops in the kentsfield range of products. This should also allow the newly released penryns to sit comfortably above their cousins, price-wise. We might just see $200 quadcores from Intel.

Nah...Intel doesn't need to drop prices. Performance-minded folk will still buy the higher performing chip even for a little more $$$. Intel can charge higher and AMD is still limited in what it can charge, which is bleeding AMD.

[Zucker2k]

Nah...Intel doesn't need to drop prices. Performance-minded folk will still buy the higher performing chip even for a little more $$$. Intel can charge higher and AMD is still limited in what it can charge, which is bleeding AMD.

Well, the thing is even on a forum like ours, you have people who would be content with their quadcore systems running at 1.6 Ghz. For those people, price is all that matters. Plus, they'll be told they have more power than they'll actually ever need :). So, while Intel may not compete with these quadcores, it has to find a way to chop off some of the profit from AMDs higher clocked cpus. Yes, for Intel it will be the lower end, but by virtue of the fact that penryn is here, the best scenario for Intel is to let the Kents muddy the waters at the lower mainstream market, while lower clocked penryns would become entry level highend.

[vengance_01]

Before NDA ends i can tell this: At the same frequencies are Phenom X4 and Kensfield (Yorkfield is better anyway) very close, and performance is almost the same ... BUT, Phenoms cant to overclock so easily like Kensfield ... that a problem. My max stable Phenom is about 3GHz ... and Kensfield 3.6GHz and more ... That is very encouraging. Thanks for the info. My only question is power consumption, and what heatsink are you using on the Phenom?

[tictac]

Before NDA ends i can tell this: At the same frequencies are Phenom X4 and Kensfield (Yorkfield is better anyway) very close, and performance is almost the same ... BUT, Phenoms cant to overclock so easily like Kensfield ... that a problem. My max stable Phenom is about 3GHz ... and Kensfield 3.6GHz and more ...

NIce.... that for sure BLOW... :explode: .... :banana: :banana: :banana: out of channel...

:D

[Vapor]

I love how you try to deny the facts :D

Those numbers that you like to use, have owned you big time :yepp:Considering your membership status (you KNOW what I mean), you should be extremely hesitant to continue trolling in the slightest.

Not that trolling is acceptable by anyone, but your leash is much, much shorter than everyone else's.

[duploxxx]

for people who do not overclock, yorkfield will be better, so AMD loses here
for people who do oc, yorkfield is better and even kentsfield.

rough times for AMD...

well mister smart, can you tell me then where i will be able to buy 2,2 -2,4GHZ yorkfield quad @200-250$

a link to an etailer is enough :rofl:

20posts in one thread from shintai again as usual.... its an AMD thread...get a life, looking at you're sig you can only dream of a decent hw setup. Look at you're board it's a 965 chipset INTEL screwed YOU BIGTIME with that chipset.


Nah...Intel doesn't need to drop prices. Performance-minded folk will still buy the higher performing chip even for a little more $$$. Intel can charge higher and AMD is still limited in what it can charge, which is bleeding AMD.

look around in the buying forums and check the amount of q6600 that are bought against others high speed bins.... AMD is a direct competitor now for those.

its not only the proc, people look power, powerconsumption and total price, you also need a board. Total offering is much higher now with fx790 boards.

only few % will OC, 50% of those few % use AI of board or small tools, the new overdrive will do great to that community.

[OBR]

Situation about AMD CPUs are exactly the same like on GFX market ... no absolutely high-end, only mainstream with good price ... thats all.

[grimREEFER]

can we make a decree that from now on, cinebench 10 will be the official cpu bench for everyone? all these other programs piss me off lol. 3dmark06 cpu test is influenced by graphics card, and graphics card driver version, so thats out. pcmark is influenced by hardrive. cinebench is just pure unadulterated cpu and memory bandwith bench afaik

[JumpingJack]

Situation about AMD CPUs are exactly the same like on GFX market ... no absolutely high-end, only mainstream with good price ... thats all.

Yeah, this is the way it is looking to shape up..... They certianly moved closer IPC-wise, it may take some time to close the clocking gap though.

[saaya]

is this the new bench that takes 2 hours to finish or something? :stick:

[JumpingJack]

is this the new bench that takes 2 hours to finish or something? :stick:

Yeah, it's new and I ran it on a couple of different rigs ... it is more of a HD bench than anything.

[Lastviking]

That link was not about results:

The link was only for help, to found the thread that BeardyMan talked about. Not more and not less.

[accord99]

20posts in one thread from shintai again as usual.... its an AMD thread...get a life, looking at you're sig you can only dream of a decent hw setup. Look at you're board it's a 965 chipset INTEL screwed YOU BIGTIME with that chipset.
The P5B supports quad-cores and 45nm.

[R101]

Oh, man, I just love Phenom! :up:

New price at my supplier for Q6600 when bought >100 pcs has just fallen to 145€ (tax excluded). Don't know if it is only for this round or it will stay there, but I like it! :clap:

[saaya]

heh, yeah, if anything pehom helps to push intel rpcies down :D

[Pacha]

well mister smart, can you tell me then where i will be able to buy 2,2 -2,4GHZ yorkfield quad @200-250$

I was talking about performance part, as OBR said, phenom will be just be mainstream with good price.


looking at you're sig you can only dream of a decent hw setup. Look at you're board it's a 965 chipset INTEL screwed YOU BIGTIME with that chipset.

Dreaming of a phenom? Excuse me to prefer dreaming of a E8400 with good oc :rofl:
And I'm really not disappointed of my hw setup atm, I moved from and AMD platform with opty 165 so I'm not an Intel fanboy...
And like somebody who quoted you too, I'm not stuck with P965, as it supports 45nm... plus I'm not planning to buy a new P35 or X38 or X48 mobo to gain 2% performances that's not my main preoccupation :down:

[nn_step]

I hope not, otherwise he's not doing a very good job! Maybe informal, nn_step or Knightswolf would be better choices. :ROTF:

Speak of the devil and he shalt appear :rolleyes:

[Hornet331]

so with all the reviews of phenom poping up, we see hoe much worth pc vantage test really is. :rolleyes:

[Brother Esau]

No, AMD only dissapointed those with unrealistic demands and expectations.



Very true Shintai:yepp: