I bet you guys know More than me.. Little help please [Archive]

ShambleS

11-16-2007, 01:13 AM

Hello..
I wont bother with much of an introduction..
But here..

My internet name is ShambleS, Im a regular member of Mgforums.
Im also a self employed end user support / pc repair technitian.
English is my second language so excuse all the spelling errors..
Im quite good at problem solving through software problems relating to windows xp.
Im usualy able to diagnose hardware errors through the actions of the pc..
None of this is to suprizing these days and i assume every one here is as able as i am if not more so..
And thats why im here..

Im running a Q6600 95w (G0) cpu.
And it has a 9x maximum miltiplier with anything higer being locked..
I understand that this is suposedly burnt in to the cpu.

Having said that. i also know that my cpu is burnt in to a max fsb of 1066.
But with a conductive pen you can bump it up to 1333..

I have also noticed some intell mother boards can be wierd up to unlock the cpu lock.
This leads me to belive i can unlock the multiplyer with similar results to the 1333 FSb mod..

I am here asking if you know the actual process used by intell to lock off the multiple?
Or if theres some sort of documentation explaining he steps they take to lock the processor...

I would also like to know if you have Pin outs for the cpu..
And what each pin controlls..
It would also be good if you could confirm that the pin outs on the pentium D930 would be the same.

I am planning to see if i am able to unlock the multiple on my ol pentium d. with condcutive ink.

In order to do this I will need more information.
Which i have asked for above..

Thanx for your time..

ShambleS

P.S

If you notice my sig. i am running slow 800mhz dual channel ram,
This means i can only clock up to 300mhz x 9 on the cpu with a ratio of 3:2 giving me 800mhz of ram.
This gives me only 2.7Ghz which i consider poor.
The only way for me to achieve higer clock speeds is to get 12x multiple which will be perfect.

TiN_

11-16-2007, 03:33 AM

ShambleS

unlock the multiple on my ol pentium d.

If you ask about

pinouts for the cpu.

then you can forget about unlocking anything.

documentation explaining he steps they take to lock the processor

This is quite easy procedure, just install CPU into hardware programmer and flashing it with necessary microcode and settings. Also possible lasercutting.
All info regarding these operations is kept under NDA for every vendor, not only Intel, but also AMD,NVIDIA etc..

So to be honest, forget and earn money for cpu's you need. If will be MUCH less expensive then experimenting with hardware, i know for sure ;)

ShambleS

11-16-2007, 03:44 AM

Well im in the experimenting kind of mood.

Im not a big company or anything like that I make enough money to get by however.
But the Q6600 is a fast cpu. even at the stock 2.4Ghz
If i blow it up il buy a nother.
Personally i believe people should experiment.
Not just pass things off out of hand.
If your oppinion "get a better cpu if you want it to go faster" Is at all accurate.
i sugest that no one ever over clock there cpu's at all and simply go Buy a better one as sugested in this thread..
:rolleyes:
And By the way. If you would have read properly the problem stems from my 800mhz ram, so in all reality I would need to buy 1066MHZ ram to fully realize the cpu's power at 9x,
So the answer is Buy better ram to overclock the Q6600 more. Not Buy a better cpu.
But then again your answer isnt really an answer Its simply a sarcastic bunch of adolecance rolled up neatly in to a post with no justification or apparant substance to the post at all.

Now i know that the cpu tells the mother board which speed its set to.
It also tells it what its FSB is.
If you can edit the pinout for the 1066FSB wwhy cant you similarly mod the clock.
You dont want to try thats fine by me..
But i dont mind if i blow up my cpu Il buy a new one and try again.
Untill i either do it or find out definitavly its not possilbe.

If your able to help. thats fine..
But if all youwant to say is Buy a better CPU cos i wouldnt try to do that my self. I dont see any point in posting,
or Should i say Trollng Which is what you are doing..

thanx for your time.

ShambleS
(+1 added to ignore list)

jimmyz

11-16-2007, 04:22 AM

The multi is not locked by pin designations it is locked internally. the multi cannot be unlocked on a cpu which has been manufactured with a locked multi.

That being said, Calling Tin OEF a troll is wrong. you asked for help. he offered an explanation and advice. If you don't want advice don't ask! Xtreme systems has many engineers from both chip companies as members, we don't just think it is Impossible we know it is. If you had used the search feature built into the forums you would have found this out yourself.

ShambleS

11-16-2007, 04:30 AM

Posting quotes .
Then saying
"if you ask this"

And then post a nother quote.
and saying
"you wont be unlocking anything"

Is trolling.
It is not a productive answer its simply adolecant sarcasm is all.

He could have said what you said But chose to be sarcastic.
Which makes him a troll..

There was Litle advice, and the advice that was there was wrong.
Get a better cpu.. When a more accurate answwer is get 1066mhz ram.
Frankly his post was nothing but useless sarcasm and i challange you to quote the "helpfull advice"

I mean I havent added you to my ignore list. becous your input was not sarcastic and belitteling.
Yet he has been added.

P.S
There are no documents where people have tried to unlock the multiplier through hardware moding the chip or the board.

BTW
If you could direct me to the documentation telling me which pin does what that would be usefull.

P.P.S
The pins may not lock the multi But they must tell the system what its locked at.
Wether or not tricking the bios in to changing it will actualy work or not is a nother matter.
But i would like to try. Even if you would chose not to.

Personally id like to find out the hard way.
Its no loss to you.

So if you know where i can get the pin outs for the cpu's from. That would be good.

jimmyz

11-16-2007, 05:02 AM

he is from the ukrain in case you didn't catch his address in avatar, the way he worded his statement was not meant to be belitteling he was just trying to phrase it in english which I am sure is not his first language. simple put as i said the pinouts cannot be used to unlock the multi and that was why he said if you are asking for the pinouts you won't be unlocking anything...if that makes sense.
his advice was helpfull as he was trying to save you the time and aggrevation of destroying cpu's and probably the motherboards too. Since this topic has been discussed here many times he was offering the best advice possible, if you want a higher multi you will need to buy a cpu with a higher multi or one with the multi unlocked.
pinouts can be used to change bus speed true and also some voltage can be adjusted from what I have seen, but the pins do not control the multi.

Im sorry this is not the answer you wanted to hear. but don't shoot the messenger. I don't know whether you can still see his sig since he is now on your ignore list but if you click on the hwbot link you would see he is an extremely skilled hardware tweaker and has proven it for many years. you would do well to listen to the advice of such people.

this is not aimed at you only but for others also, when people ask for advice on these forums and then argue or are rude to the people who give them an honest answer, those experts are less likely to help other people later. If those people post less we all lose out.

About your ram. you do realise the ram can go faster just like the cpu right? the stock speed for your ram may be 800 but that is not it's limit. most 800 mhz ram can easily do 1066 with a little effort.

TiN_

11-16-2007, 05:07 AM

Keep it simple, man.

I've done a lot of research and reverse engineering regarding AMD&Intel CPU's, to get info how all this things working. If you want to blame - do it. I've just posted, that buying Intel Extreme CPU or AMD FX with unlocked multi from vendor itself is WAY CHEAPER (10-200 times!) than buying all that equipment, which I needed for experiments with CPU. I just had all that stuff for my work, and spend time with Intel&AMD CPU's just for interest and hobby. I didn't meant that engineering and experimenting is stupid thing, and had personaly overclocked a lot of cpu's with more that 100% gain and xtreme.

And when i see new people who think that unlocking multi\cores\cache is easy done, and when i see that they get truth that said for then in offensive way, i just stop wasting my time for useless flaming. Especially is they are SO LASY to make input in google

http://www.google.com/search?hl=ru&client=opera&rls=en&hs=sm0&q=CPU+pinout+Core+2+Duo&btnG=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA&lr=

your pinout is on the fourth from the top on the first page of google.
I hope you got the idea.
And as I said earlier, multi's are locked by programming\laser, and not by pins. There are no pins regarding to multiplier. Programming ones are TDO,TDI,TCK,TMS and TRST. It's easy.

Best regards,
Tsemenko Ilya.

TiN_

11-16-2007, 05:15 AM

jimmyz

Thanks for support, still I think that able to deal myself :)
I've spent ~year of interesting in unlocking locked CPU's, and now I realize, if that all that time could be used for earning $$ for unlocked multi, then I got a bunch of them, really :) But dear author of thread don't know this, and hopes for 10$-solution and kind-a-document in way "Howto:Making Q6600 to Extreme QX6850". Of course, I'm nobody to say "you are dead wrong", just wanted to help.

Regarding "wrong advise" about memory :)
I can't really understand why

This means i can only clock up to 300mhz x 9 on the cpu with a ratio of 4:3 giving me 800mhz of ram.

is meant. Use 1:1 ratio and got 400*9, what a problem? :) Just cooling maybe, 3.6G and quadcore is pretty decent heat.

Praz

11-16-2007, 05:17 AM

Nice post Jimmy. The processor pinout is available from the Intel website for all processors. Once you study the appropriate pinout you will see there is no magic pin that will unlock the multiplier. I suggest looking around the forum as there are all type of systems running with Q6600 processors and 800 speed ram running 400 FSB and above.

ShambleS

11-16-2007, 08:32 AM

Sorry for missinterperating the context of what you were saying,
But it did read as a sarcastic reply.

I could not get the pinouts on the uk version of google.
And indeed if i study the pinouts and find there is no magic way then that will be what i discover..

Dont get me wrong im not here to argue wether or not this is possible I just wish to make sure for my self. If i didnt believe peole here had more expirience I would not have posted in the 1st place.

Just seems to me if my pentium D tells my bios it has 12x max.
and my Q6600 says its 9x max and both cpu's use the same socket.
I should be able to trick it,
Sure maby i need a nother mother board to hold the pentium D. and a power suply for it..
but i have one.
And maby i would need to mutilate my Q6600.

But i want to find out if i trick the bios so it thinks the cpu can use 12x.
will it actualy be using 12x.

And my ram just sux for over clocking.
its ocz ddr2 ram 800mhz.
And i can get 801 out of it without windows crashing.

im using a solid state Gigabyte n650sli-Ds4 mother board..
prety overclockin freindly. flashed the bios last week so its all new and ready.
But anything above 801 mhz and pc crashes..
funny enough I have some gineric ram 800mhz and i can over clock that higer but it has slower latency.

as for power.. i have spliced together 2 500 wat psu's

Im not really looking for the speed increase.
the things fast enough at 2.4 to do anything i want it to.
2.7 and you dont notice much if any diference from 2.4
I want to see if i can do it... Just to do it.
Not for preformanec or save money.
im not that shallow.
:up:

(you understand my plan is to trick the bios so it thinks the cpu is 12x and that is why i wish to findout how the cpu u tells the bios it is 9x max. dont you?)

P.S

going from sarcastic and belitteling. to Arogant and bellitteling dosent stop you from being a troll..

JamesBong420

11-16-2007, 10:40 AM

ShambleS

11-16-2007, 11:03 AM

hello,
OT: im not here to start anything. but i could tell before i came into this thread what i was about to read. JUST FROM THE TOPIC NAME!!!!! :rofl: :yepp:

audi 5000

peace, love and respect!!!!!!!!!!

I see you also have simple people here as well as intelligent people..
Its good to see they are amused by simple things.

Although it is a shame they lack the ability to explain anything, and seemingly just post gbberish proclaiming that they have abilities to know what they will read :clap: ..

why waste every ones time with that nonscence at all?

jimmyz

11-16-2007, 11:12 AM

I see you also have simple people here as well as intelligent people..
Its good to see they are amused by simple things.

Although it is a shame they lack the ability to explain anything, and seemingly just post gbberish proclaiming that they have abilities to know what they will read :clap: ..

why waste every ones time with that nonscence at all?

Are you aware that what you wrote describes your posts perfectly.

JamesBong420

11-16-2007, 11:28 AM

ShambleS

11-16-2007, 08:54 PM

all i was stating was that, why make the title seem as if you are better then us all(XS Members)? so take it as that and not as a bash. but thats to late, eh? :p:

its quite funny how pissed off and defensive people get with just a little mis-interpretation. :D ;)

But the title implys i believe you know lots more than I do.
so im asking how much more do u know..

If you read the 1st post at all you would know that..
Seeing as i said and i quote.

"i assume every one here is as able as i am if not more so..
And thats why im here.. "
(Im guessing you missinterperated everything, and got ya self all pissed and defencive .. Thats nearly funny given your last post)
:shakes:

There arent many of you being help full
most of you just dont explain your selfs.
maby you cant or something, so just come spout nonscenece.. I dont know

You dont make all that much sence, and come across as deliberatly belitteling or patronizing.
I know english is my second language,
But seriously it dosent take all that much work to understand the subtelties of the language.

some of you need to read properly.
some others needs to learn which words to use in structure for a coherent, and polite sentance.

:shakes:

Im greatefull for the help
But its one hell of a thing when youve shoved ya self so far up your own
sphinkter that the only thing to come out of your mouth is feaces. When your potential is so much more.

:up:

Are you aware that what you wrote describes your posts perfectly.

there is no irony to what i said.

I have EXPLAINED my position. (1 point that does not "perefctly" reflect my post)

I have not proclaimed that i have the ability to know post conents without reading them (2 points that do not "perfectly" reflect my post)

I do not come llaugh and roll about after reading a thread title, so simple things do not amuse me (3rd point that does not "perfectly" refelct my post)

And if it wasnt for others failing to explain there stance, posting off topic replies that do nothing for the thread.
and General communications failure due to lack of english literature abilities.
I would not need to post all this nonnscence.
Which as it happens is not gibberish as it is fully comprehendable to any one who can read english.
(4th and final point which does not "perfectly" reflect my post...)

So sorry to say.
but even though you have been the most helpfull so far.
it seesms that your comparison abilaties are some what lacking..

And infact the most ironic thing about your last post is... that in its self your post was prefectly described in the quote you were replying to.

ShambleS

P.S

The premmis is qute simple.

1.My mother board can adjust the multiples. any numer it likes.

2.Intell sell a chip which tells my mother board it can use 3x 6x or 9x.

3.They also sell a nother chip which tells my mother board it can use 2x 4x 6x 8x 10x and 12x (both these chips seemingly use the same pin outs, becous they both work on the same motherboard)

4.All the chips tell my mother board what its maximum FSB is.

5.you can trick the bios so the chip uses a higer FSB.

6.You must there fore be able to find out which pins transfer the multiple data to the bios telling it what it is locked at.

(6.a) I was/am planning on using conductive ink to try and trick the bios. but have a back up plan to use the pentium d to tell the bios the multiple.

7. If i can find which pin tells the bios the cpu is locked at a given mulitple, and the only data it tells the bios is the clock max multiple. I can use my other 12x chip to trick the bios.
And prehaps if im verry lucky. Tricking the bios to use 12x will force the cpu to 12x.

Now thats the premmis. its prety simple. Derived from pure logic.
Which of course i know form expirience isnt always how it works..
So I came here as you guys seem most knowlegable about these things..

I had not forseen how hard it would be to get knowlage out of you guys I had imagined you would be able to fully explain some things.
But it is growing ever more apparant that the only way to get real answers is to just try and see.

oohms

11-17-2007, 04:50 PM

err...

Multiplier locking is achieved by either flashing a rom or "blowing" internal fuses (inside the die itself)

The only way you will have a chance of unlocking the multiplier would be if you can shave off the top of the die itself and have access to the internals of the die. Intel do this to some cpu's but they have very expensive equipment for this ;)

FYI, there are a few athlon 64 cpu's that have multipliers different from their usual ones, and there have been a few large threads about unlocking the multiplier. They didnt get anywhere either with that, despite analysing cpu's that have already been "unlocked"

Nanometer

11-17-2007, 05:45 PM

err...

Multiplier locking is achieved by either flashing a rom or "blowing" internal fuses (inside the die itself)

Take a butane torch to the cpu:shrug:

STEvil

11-17-2007, 06:30 PM

Using an external CPU to trick the motherboard sounds like an interesting concept, would be neat if there is some way to insulate pins and input an external signal to make it work....

If that were to work it may be possible to build a circuit on an external PCB that generates the required signal to feed into the motherboard and CPU as i'm sure the pins required to do this may need to be connected to even POST... but maybe not.

As to all other methods, there is no known way to unlock a locked CPU and a search through the forums will show you that (which is what JamesBong420 said in extremely unelegant manner..).

Please stop calling TiN_EOF a troll.

Thanks for the interesting thought, i'll be watching to see what TiN says on the matter of shadowing signals into the appropriate pins of the cpu/motherboard.. he's a genius at this stuff ;)

ShambleS

11-17-2007, 07:19 PM

Brian MP5T

11-17-2007, 07:44 PM

I have an apparently high iq when it comes to logic "136" im told its high but im sure many here if not most have much higher iq .
also i do not have the knowlage that you guy's do.

The way you jumped right on the bandwagon of hate, and this post makes me think of a Pompous ass who is self consumed. Grow up and for the love of god don't tell us how smart you think you are. We will decide for ourselves..

ShambleS

11-17-2007, 07:55 PM

Lol...

Pompous he said.
Then says We will tell you how smart you are.
I love irony...

Please refrain from posting unless it is on topic..
Otherwize i must type junk like this out with no over all gain.

cours if you just like to know youve said something no matter that it was off topic. then thats fine..

Just remember an empty vecil makes most noise.

so its best to keep your mouth shut and let people think your a foool. than to post a stupid off topic reply, and remove all doubt.

P.S

I didnt proclam that my iq was anything I believed to be of any use.
I Did state i believe most here would be higher.

I dont see the pomposoty any where.

I do see the 1st reply as belliteling and patronizing.
and i see that the subsiquent posts have been marred by the 1st reply.
But that would not have been from my doing.

So you can feel free to pm me and enlighten me as to what exactly you see.
Unless of course you are just trying to side with a long term member to try and score some brown nose points..

Brian MP5T

11-17-2007, 07:59 PM

No, I said we will decide for ourselves, not tell you how smart you are...

If you are so smart, learn to read..

ShambleS

11-17-2007, 08:18 PM

Now thats simply childish.
The dictum "in not so man words" crops to mind
I could go on now and point out how you dont back up your 1st post.
but thats just going off topic with you which is pointless..
Unless your next post is on topic im afraid i will be forced to "miss" it when im reading posts.

theres a premmis outlined above..
go examin it.
see if you can find a problem with it.
If you can, come tell me would be helpfull..
if you cant or are not knowlageble enough (like me)
Then simply dont reply..

thnx

ShambleS

P.S

If you were yet to notice my atitude directly reflects your own.
if you think "this guy is an ass." that is becous that is how you come across to me.

You belittle i belittle.
you insult i insult..
my reactions are just that. it is you guys who start off with the inital action. Im used to it and wil not be phased by it.

if You want to discuss things like adults i can do that.
if you want to be pollite i can do that.
but whatever attitude you take will be the attitude that i do.

The0men

11-17-2007, 08:19 PM

Seems like an awful lot of effort to go to when you can just bump up FSB and happily use 4ghz+ no worries. Save time, save effort, you will end up with better results, and it won't send you broke.

Umm perhaps I wouldn't have worded your title "So how much do u guys know?"
Sounds like an attempt to insult peoples intelligence.
Maybe something like "help unlocking multiplier" or similar.
Especially as you have come here asking for help.

Brian MP5T

11-17-2007, 08:26 PM

Now thats simply childish.

Just for the record, I would like to point out that this weenie manipulated his post after reading my reply so that he looked "Less Stupid" when actually that is manipulative and weak.

ShambleS

11-17-2007, 08:34 PM

Just for the record, I would like to point out that this weenie manipulated his post after reading my reply so that he looked "Less Stupid" when actually that is manipulative and weak.

You seem to be unable to notice that it says my edit was 20 mins before your post..

So nice try but you are being very immature and not really. being a contribution.
it looks as though your sole purpous in this thread is to try and make me look silly, but all your doing is making you look silly...

Did you not read...

"its best to keep your mouth shut and let people think your a fool. rather than post an off topic reply and remove all doubt"

Or do you mean the post wher i added a "P.S"

Which is noticable by the big P.S letters..?
(looking now i cant see any reply you made that would coincide with an edit of mine which would be in conjunction with your reply.. please enlighten me as to what your banging on about)

Seems like an awful lot of effort to go to when you can just bump up FSB and happily use 4ghz+ no worries. Save time, save effort, you will end up with better results, and it won't send you broke.

Umm perhaps I wouldn't have worded your title "So how much do u guys know?"
Sounds like an attempt to insult peoples intelligence.
Maybe something like "help unlocking multiplier" or similar.
Especially as you have come here asking for help.

Maby the title causes problems.
But not as many problems as people not reading the posts and seeing that im here becous i think people here know more than me.

Once you read that i belive you guys know more than me. Asking "so how much do u guys know" is closer to a compliment than anything els.

P.S
@Brian MP5T
A p.s is a post script.
Post means after. script derives from scripture and in this case means writing.

So a P.S is a thought that occurs to you after writing your text.
This inevitably means that a good % of P.S'S will have been added after an edit...

pss75

11-17-2007, 10:15 PM

[QUOTE=

P.S

If you notice my sig. i am running slow 800mhz dual channel ram,
This means i can only clock up to 300mhz x 9 on the cpu with a ratio of 3:2 giving me 800mhz of ram.
This gives me only 2.7Ghz which i consider poor.
The only way for me to achieve higer clock speeds is to get 12x multiple which will be perfect.[/QUOTE]

Plz explain this a little more, u should be able to get 400fsbx 9 without any problems, i don't understand your setup, are all your ram modules the same? Why 3 gb?
Cheers

ShambleS

11-17-2007, 10:22 PM

The biggest problem is the board i think. "Gigabyte s-seriese N650SLI-DS4 'would be the 1st revision' " it has 800mhz FSb. (but was the only board to have all the sata and ide slots i wanted whilst still having all solid state capasitors)
I have 3gb 2x 1gb 2x 512mb I can set my cpu to 300 with ram linked at 3:2
which gives me 800mhz ram through dual chanel.

there all ocz ram.
and 3gb is the maximum for windows xp really seeing as the 4gb range is shared.

Its strange becous i can set my ram to syncmode, and then 350 on the clock will = 800 on my ram.
But the system does not like that at all. I have even gone all the way up to 1.48v. which i think is a lot for an energy eficient cpu.

even if i unsink my ram and set it manualy to 800 (or the closest fbs i can that is lower than 800)
The syetm is still unstable at anything above 300mhz on the clock..
I believe this is becous the system fsb is only 800mhz.

I really dont Need any speed increases..
and i just want to find out if it can be done..
even if it does take 2 cpu's to do it.

The0men

11-17-2007, 10:37 PM

I would try everything you have done after pulling out the 2X512mb sticks.
If your not after a speed increase, why do you need to change multiplier? And if it is simpily to overclock CPU, then you only need to sort the issue with the motherboard out and overclock your FSB. I have had My dodgy 680i over 460mhz FSB, most other boards will cream that though.

What motherboard are you using? (if you have already said then I have missed it only skimming though)
Most motherboards will be wierd with 4 dimms in use, which is why I suggest just trying 2gb of RAM, and see if you can overclock your FSB then. That means theres no need to potentially ruin your CPU trying to unlock the multiplier.

All OCZ doesn't necessarily mean they all have the same SPD, most likely they don't. 2GB of ram is tryed and tested as the fasted number for 32bit windows XP, you can't beat that. And having 2 dimms not 4 is alway more stable, allowing for higher overclocks, for higher gaming FPS and higher benchmarking.

If you want more than 2GBs of RAM (which you would only need if you had VISTA or if you were doing MASS scientific research etc) then you would want to use a 64bit opperating system anyway.

I have made a suggestion... Try it or not, but you asked for help, so here I have offered it.

Theres no reason to keep flaming other members, if you ignore them and just leave it then people will start helping, if you dont agree with something, then thats fine, but it doesn't help anyone to tell them plainly that they're wrong, if they thought so they wouldn't offer help, and they may actually be right.

ShambleS

11-17-2007, 10:48 PM

Ive already tried it with 1gb an 2gb..
same results..

and i did say which motherboard i was using But i edit lots and lots so maby wasnt there when you last read..

The board is a Gigabyte s-seriese N650SLI-DS4
But i still want to know if i can use my pentium D chip held in a nother mother board with a powersuply to trick my motherboard to using 12x on a Q6600..

P.S

I havent told Any one they are wrong about anything.
Its just a bunch of attitude or atleast precived attitudes that i have been addressing.

P.P.S

32 bit Xp supports 4gb of ram But its adress range is shared by everything els so the max is really 3gb physical.
you can add the /3gb command to the boot ini in xp after the no execute option to enable programs that can use 3gb of ram to use 3gb of ram in xp.
if you dont do that xp limits ech program to a max of 2gb ram usage.
This has created a myth that 32 bit xp only suports 2gb.
when infact its 4gb. but technically 3gb as the rest of your system steals the addresses out of the 4gb range.
Good examples of things that steal the adress range are gfx card and sound card.. but anything with any sort of ram uses up space in the 4gb range of xp.

With larger ram modules on gfx card these days the max amount of physical ram you can use is proportional to the amount of ram on your gfx card..
If i had a 8800 with 700+ Mb of ram i would not be able to have 3gb in xp and for xp to detect all 3gb.
but mine has 256mb of ram. so i can have 3gb of ram. it also gives the gfx card 1g of physical ram to overflow in to.

The0men

11-17-2007, 11:04 PM

That motherboard should have absolutely no worries reaching a 450FSB. I highly doubt any one here has ever done anything like trying to "trick" a motherboard into thinking it has a higher multiplier, most of us just fix what ever problem we have. Perhaps you should be asking gigabyte why your board is not capable of overclocking on FSB.

O I just had a though, does your northbridge have liquid or a good cooler on it? I noticed you have watercooling on CPU, but taking the CPU fan off the motherboard often leaves insuffecient cooling over the other chips. I had to watercool northbridge, after watercooling CPU, I found I couldn't overclock because my northbridge was getting hot enough to cook your dinner on. Most of these heatpipes are not very good. And that was with only a core2duo not a quad.

justin_c

11-17-2007, 11:04 PM

ShambleS

11-17-2007, 11:43 PM

i for one find the title of the thread somewhat insulting. perhaps change the title of the thread.

anyways, I am pretty sure you cannot unlock the multi just by connecting pins with conductive ink. As per tin_eof's post.

correct me if im wrong, aren't q6600 G0s supposed to be 1333 not 1066 like B3 q6600s?

and why are you suing a thermaltake big water? shows your...

i am not quite sure what you mean by "using your pentium in another mobo to trick your q6600 to have a 12x multi". u mean like dropping in your cpu while comp is running? like a bios hotflash?

eheh...

Bear with me herea i need to reply to a few and must decypher what im trying to say 1st :)...

The GO is actualy rated at 1200 acording to cpuz.
so its not 1333 or 1066.

The plan with the pentium d is to find out which pin tells the bios its multiple.
run some conductive ink from that so it leads off the chip to a place i can attach a soldering point.
solder a wier on to that, run te wer over to my other board to a soldering point on that, then use conductive ink to draw a line to the relivant pin on the Q6600 which has had the relivant pin insulated. and see what happens...

"and why are you suing a thermaltake big water? shows your..."

I could not comprehend that im afraid.... so am unable to answer.

O I just had a though, does your northbridge have liquid or a good cooler on it? I noticed you have watercooling on CPU, but taking the CPU fan off the motherboard often leaves insuffecient cooling over the other chips. I had to watercool northbridge, after watercooling CPU, I found I couldn't overclock because my northbridge was getting hot enough to cook your dinner on. Most of these heatpipes are not very good. And that was with only a core2duo not a quad.

My north bridge has a 80mm fan.
all transistrs on the board have been given heatsinks,
The solid state capasitors are cooled by a 3 foot tower fan (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20050123392-0-large.jpg)which is suposed to cool rooms..
(the tower fan is so efficient when i power down my system the 80mm fans still rotate due to the airflow from the tower fan.)

My system temps are low as you could want them.
cpu is usualy 12'c
mother board and chips are usualy 25c.
The gfx card is a little hotter running at a constant 47c idle or uneder load..

hope that adresses everthng..

I have also changed the thread title as requested.

The0men

11-17-2007, 11:53 PM

Whenever you are thinking something like "and see what happens... " Normally something bad happens, especially with electricity.

I highly doubt this will work, but if you think it will, then just "see what happens... "

You said you dont mind buying anything you blow up, so when it blows up it will be worth it, because you will have learnt something. If it does work, then beauty, nothing to worry about.

Me personally? I'd work out whats wrong, or faulty. Maybe I'd try all my parts individually on an already working system. Then I would know for certain the problem. Then I could either fix it, or replace it. It sounds like your mobo, with prices of a nice P35 chipset these days your best (and cheapest bet) would be to replace your motherboard to a faster, better, solid and stable P35 and loose the 650.

ShambleS

11-18-2007, 12:20 AM

yep ive been concidering a new motherboard and probably will get one with higer fsb.

Id like to know if theres any reason you can think of which would mean that what i plan to do will not work.
Sure i want to try it and find out..
But im not an idiot.

For instance if people know that the multipliers details come from a pin which also tell the board other details.
then my plan is almost guaranteed to fail.
So i wouldnt need to try.
But i would probably just go buy some pentium D chips for £20 each and see if it would work with those.
(its probably a better idea to start with any way)

What i basically want to know is which pin is telling the pc its set at 9x max.
Does that pin transfer any other data.
Or is there some thing you guys know for sure would mean that the experiment fails..

I have a premmis layed out.
I have put it forth to the members here as they should be able to tell me.
And although most post have been negative against my premmis not 1 has stated why it would not work.
And infact most just dont know if it would or not..
So even though all post here are trying to make me see sence and not blow up my pc.
None of them have been able to tell me Why it wouldnt work.
so i guess theres a chance that it will work.. and isnt that what every one here is all about?
Its the reason i chose here to post..

I say bring back mother boards With jumpers to set the clock. Wouldnt ned to invent Crazy ways of doing things then.
i disslike this software overclocking stuff, it was easier in the past (more dangerous but easier)

P.S

Currently i think it has a 30-40% chance of working.
but im no fool so i came here to gain more knowlage and make a more educated guess as to the chances of it working.
No posts have changed my oppionion and it still 30-40% chance in my eyes.
30-40% is not really high enough to start.
And as such i still need to hear REASONS why it may or may not work..

TiN_

11-18-2007, 01:05 AM

There is no any pin which tell multi for bios. All multi init settings are hold by software only,and CPU's with locked multi have flashed max multi, without any interruption of bios\mobo etc... I've told this a lot of times.

Currently i think it has a 30-40% chance of working.

I was so optimistic too few years earlier. I can tell for sure - chance of working = 0.00000000000000000000000000001% or less. Take pinout and see, at least. Last CPU's which have multi regarded pins was AMD K7 (any variations). Point.

ShambleS

11-18-2007, 01:14 AM

The chip MUST tell the bios its max clock..
Th bios dosent know wwhat the chip's max clock is untill the chip tells it..
Changing the multiple on the bios dosent change the multiple on the chip does it?

It simply changes the multiple the board uses with the chip. otherwize if i set my Q6600 to 3x and then take it out of that board and put it in a nother, it would be 3x still, but it isnt it changes back to 9x
So your not changeing the multiple of the cpu at all. only the multiple that the board is using.

This is how you were able to destroy cpu's when you overclocked using jumpers in the past right?

given all that. IF one pin tels the bios i have 9x multiple.
i can use a nother chip to send incorrect data to the bios and trick it to use 12x.

That is not unlocking the cpu.. Which i dont doubt is close to impossible.
It is tricking the bios in to thinking it has 12x not 9x.
Wether or not setting the bios to 12x would force the cpu to 12x is a diferent matter..

If it does work then maby a better mod can be created.

If you can explain what is wrong with that premmis that would be good.

TiN_

11-18-2007, 01:53 AM

BIOS just checks multi in a way:

if (cpu_multi < maximum_cpu_multi) then set multi_from_bios
if (cpu_multi >= maximum_cpu_multi) then set maximum_cpu_multi

There is no any pin which tell multi for bios. All multi init settings are hold by software only
Read this again ;)

ShambleS

11-18-2007, 01:56 AM

if there is no pin that tells the bios.
then the bios would not know the multi.
so how come it does know? Telepathic?

(here is my logic)

If motherboard changed CPU multi from 9x to 3x. When i move the chip that was set to 3x to nother pc It would still be 3x. but it is not. and it has changed back to 9x. so the multi is controlled by motherboard. and cpu just tells it max to use, the multi does not change on the chip only board. and the chip tells the board the maximum it can use.

Feel free to explain whats wrong about that..

If you need to.. type out what you say is wrong about the logic in your language, then use babel fish to translate it...

TiN_

11-18-2007, 02:17 AM

All multi init settings are hold by software only

Third time repeat.
BIOS reads setting by software from CPU itself. With general communication pins

ShambleS

11-18-2007, 02:25 AM

Third time repeat.
BIOS reads setting by software from CPU itself. With general communication pins

so WHY cant i use the general comunication pins from a pentium d running on a nother board to tell the bios it is diferent.
Do the general communication pins transfer lots more data than the multiple?

TiN_

11-18-2007, 02:42 AM

You can :-) If you have any knowledge how it is working, and if you are at least a senior Intel engineer in R&D :)

And yes, it's transfer lots more data every clock tick.

ShambleS

11-18-2007, 02:46 AM

Now we are getting some where..

i take it that the general comunication pins would number more than one.
and that some of them would transfer the same few details over and over.

i unerstand some people have examined locked and unlocked cpu's
do these have a diferent output from some pins?
And if so which pins..

(i have located 5 pins that I believe could be transfering the data.. which seems strange as i would have expected 4 or 6..."even number" )

TiN_

11-18-2007, 04:12 AM

ROFL, why even? :) PLZ read all that data which ppl told you in this thread. Carefully.

ShambleS

11-18-2007, 04:26 AM

Umm...
Becous the fsb signal groups come in + and - (input output)
so that would always be an even number..

P.S

Laughing is not being productive it is still being a troll no matter what your 1st language is. it is still belitteling and patronizing.
And the trade mark of an adolesant.. please grow up and act like an adult.

Brian MP5T

11-18-2007, 04:28 AM

correct me if im wrong, aren't q6600 G0s supposed to be 1333 not 1066 like B3 q6600s?

No, by default they are still 1066..

They must be OC'd out to 1333 just like any normal 1066.

Brian MP5T

11-18-2007, 04:37 AM

If you need to.. type out what you say is wrong about the logic in your language, then use babel fish to translate it...

Holy s-hit dude, I'm happy that you don't work at the UN. With international communication skills like that we would constantly be at war.

Do you not feel that that is a bit condescending? (You Should) I'll spell it out for you..

You are probably trying to help communication, however, from his position you are basically saying that as he tried to help you, his english is inferior and that you would rather he use his own language. That you think an internet translator is going to do a better job than his brain. This is very insulting.

Some people go through life not understanding why everyone seems to pick on them for no reason... ever stop to think that YOU ARE THE REASON and they are not just being mean...

Do you play Chess? You remember that in Chess, you have to anticipate more than just one move ahead... Do that with what you type. Normally, people will read what they are about to post from the perspective of the reader who ever they might be.

ShambleS

11-18-2007, 04:40 AM

PLZ read all that data which ppl told you in this thread. Carefully.

BIOS reads setting by software from CPU itself. With general communication pins

so WHY cant i use the general comunication pins from a pentium d running on a nother board to tell the bios it is diferent.

You can :-)

I dont know what you want me to read?

Brian MP5T

11-18-2007, 04:45 AM

I dont know what you want me to read?

if (cpu_multi < maximum_cpu_multi) then set multi_from_bios
if (cpu_multi >= maximum_cpu_multi) then set maximum_cpu_multi

He wants you to see the default timing..and then adjust based off it..

ShambleS

11-18-2007, 04:51 AM

Holy s-hit dude, I'm happy that you don't work at the UN. With international communication skills like that we would constantly be at war.

Do you not feel that that is a bit condescending? (You Should) I'll spell it out for you..

You are probably trying to help communication, however, from his position you are basically saying that as he tried to help you, his english is inferior and that you would rather he use his own language. That you think an internet translator is going to do a better job than his brain. This is very insulting.

Some people go through life not understanding why everyone seems to pick on them for no reason... ever stop to think that YOU ARE THE REASON and they are not just being mean...

Do you play Chess? You remember that in Chess, you have to anticipate more than just one move ahead... Do that with what you type. Normally, people will read what they are about to post from the perspective of the reader who ever they might be.

Look..

This thread started off badly due to a general communications failure..
It picked up a bit for a while.
And now its going back down hill..
Some where along the line we arent understanding eachother, hes said it cant be done.. It can be done.. read again, and now i think its back to it cant be done..

If all this can be fixed by using babel fish or something its going to be preferable is it not?

General english is fine and we are communicating but when it comes to explaining things properly any sort of communications error can end in disaster..

I dont understand what the reasoning is behind his posts and Thats a shame becous I came here to hear reasoning from people who have been messing with cpu's.

As far as i can tell from all the posts so far, There is no real reason why what i am outlining wont work.
In general theory it should work But Tin seems to know more about it but cant explain to me why it wnt work.
and infact has even said it probably could if i had more knowlage.
Which is what i am trying to gain but again its this communications thing..

So maby i could word my self more tactfully.
But he dosent bother too so i wont be.

TiN_

11-18-2007, 05:41 AM

You are clever man, and you understand that ONLY clock go with dual lines.

fsb signal groups come in + and - (input output)

You don't know even basics of digital electronics, and what you can do then?
FYI, + and - didn't mean input and output! It's differential signal pair, which is aimed to reduce noise and interfere with another signals and traced. This is wideused technic for high-speed digital and analog PCBs, and CPU's no exception. If you cannot understand difference with in\out data direction and + and - lines, then what else help do you need? Read electronic books, digital shematics and theory, then we can talk using same language and terms.

You have idea to capture and log high-speed data between 2 cpus and boards with number of wires, without even understanding that all that data will get corrupted on first inches of wire length. You can call me troll, i don't care, you are not first, nor last :)

I can only point the truth, that for all years of XS existence and PC overclocking, NOBODY publicated how to read\write internal CPU registers, which are locked by vendor (i'm not speaking about MSRR and such a type of open things), and all that people who have all neccesary hardware and equipment, and knowledge how to do this - they just work in Intel\AMD\etc and are NOT interested in any way to tell any truth for every noob (they start such thread every year), who are too lazy earn for Extreme version of CPU. Sorry for calling noob, but I'm really tired of useless discussion about making gold from iron with homemade "wonderful magic iron2gold convertor"